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They’re 0-12, But It’s a Good 0-12November 20, 2009, 11:26 pmAs the Nets approach the record for the longest losing streak to start a season in NBA history, many writers around the country choose to look at them in a positive light. With young talent and a billionaire owner likely on the way, the future is bright. And according to one scout, “if you base it on someone getting the most out of his guys, [Lawrence Frank] should be a Coach of the Year candidate.”  Nets' future a ton rosier than their winless present - Shaun Powell - NBA.com 3 reasons why the Nets aren't the NBA's worst team - Ian Thomsen - Sports Illustrated Gallows humor from Lawrence Frank as Nets again go for 1st W - Chris Sheridan - True Hoop How Bad Are the Nets? - Joel Brigham - HoopsWorldPosted in Douglas-Roberts, Chris; Frank, Lawrence; Harris, Devin; Lopez, Brook | 135 Comments » |
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November 20th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
I am thinking is Frank black mailing all these people to say good things about him? And Rod Thorn…Frank has to be the worst coach in NBA history!
November 20th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
COACH OF THE YEAR WOW BUT I THINK they right what they said in article but not the part about lawrence frank coach of the year
November 20th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
Lawrence Frank is one of the only things a Nets fan has to be proud of.
He’s doing a remarkable job. Not one coach in the league wants to be in his position. Pat Riley resigned when something half this bad happened to him.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
julian (and everyone else – not fair to pick on just one person), we’re going to start deleting all comments that don’t come close to using proper grammar, spelling and punctuation. If you can’t form a complete sentence or put a period where it’s needed, your opinion isn’t worth much anyway.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
Thanks, Netsdaily. About time!!!
This is not just about you, julian.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
I can’t be mad at Frank. Atleast we aren’t getting blown out every game. The one thing he does wrong though is not giving Sean more opportunity to play with Brook. I am going to keep on saying this until he consistently does this. Idc if he isn’t part of the future he deserves to play, not boone.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
NETS DAILY i guess you write proper grammar when you text
November 21st, 2009 at 12:02 am
julian, this isn’t texting or twitter. There are no character limits and no excuses for writing complete sentences. Some of the garbage that people write in these comments is just impossible to read, and it’s not fair to those who take the time to write properly that they have to sift through it.
November 21st, 2009 at 12:07 am
Back in HS, the only guy in my class who never got a girlfriend was told by others that he is not the worst guy in the world. This analogy somehow makes great sense when I read this article.
November 21st, 2009 at 12:09 am
Most things I post here are written on an iPhone since I’m stuck at work with no other way of getting on the internet, and I still manage to type coherently. I could do without the constant headache of having to translate LOLspeak from people with real keyboards.
All this positive publicity coming from losing brings to mind an image of Yormark sitting there all Mr. Burns-esque going, “eeeexcellent”… Not to say they’re purposely trying to lose every game, but he must be loving it… scum bag. And I agree with the scoffs about Frank for coach of the year, that’s just ridiculous. He can’t figure out how to make up a rotation with 8 players, let alone 12.
November 21st, 2009 at 12:10 am
eople who have been following the team know they are way better than their record indicates. Maybe this is a long term blessing, maybe the team ends up with a #1 pick, yet another asset to add for 2010. How about that John Wall?
The team’s future off the court will be determined over the next 5 weeks definitively, and the Nets are could have assets coming out of their ears by July 1. Compared to what we’ve been dealing with over the past 4 years or so, it’s nice to dream about something that could actually come to fruition for once. I can deal with the team as currently constructed because I can see they’re not packing it in. Frank doesn’t let them, and I love it. The wins will follow hard work. They’ve been unlucky thus far, but that will change, tomorrow in my opinion
November 21st, 2009 at 12:50 am
ben: can you explain your logic?
As you said, Sean’s not going to be a part of the team, while Boone might. Why the hell would he play Sean over him?
By the way, if you check out virtually all +/- stats, Boone plays very well with Lopez.
November 21st, 2009 at 1:01 am
This guy has yet to make it out of the 2nd round with Kidd and Carter on the same team and is 0-12 this season and he deserves coach fo the year….maybe the world will end in 2012 lol
November 21st, 2009 at 1:22 am
Glad to see L.Frank getting some love. I think he’s handled just a horrid situation with class and dignity (true he is getting paid pretty damn well for it). He’s probably a goner from this joke of a situation, but I bet he comes out better for it in the end. I would bet he gets another NBA or premier college job pretty soon.
November 21st, 2009 at 1:34 am
Look at this roster:
Charlie Bell
D.Gadzuric
C.Delfino
LLyasova
H.Warrick
J.Meeks
are they more talented than the Nets? Sorry, they only have a good rookie, Jennings, and they are not dead 0-10. They are 7-3.
November 21st, 2009 at 1:43 am
some people think we’re just ripping Frank because of this season. No NO NO……..his employment has been a subject of inquiry from the get-go. This season is just a testimony of what’s wrong with sticking with him for this long. CDR was right. The Bucks were not more talented than our roster, not even the lineup without Harris. They just played better as a team, and their ball movement was phenomenal for a new team. Blaming bad talents and stuff is for losers. Winners win as many as they can despite the lack of talent. There’s clearly a lot of systemic mistakes that the Nets made in the l2 losses, with or without Harris and Lee. Players played hard not because of the coach; if Frank’s the reason why players played hard then the old team should’ve been like that as well. The players played hard because they’re a new group with new personalities. TWill, CDR, Hassell, Alston…..these are players who never had a permanent role on the Nets before. These guys got heart!
November 21st, 2009 at 1:45 am
You’re forgetting Bogut, Mbah a Moute, Ridnour, and Thomas.
And yes, they are better than the Nets right now. They have a ROY point guard – it doesn’t really matter that he’s a rookie. He’s a star already. Bogut’s turning into a solid big man. They have good shooters and defenders surrounding those 2.
We have no shooters. Half of our players right now are weak defenders, injured or not. All of our good shooters are injured, except Brook.
November 21st, 2009 at 1:51 am
@ AST. Alright Boone is not part of the future if anything we can sign a back up Center. Sean has played well the last 3 games and whenever he played with Brook, we played well so thats my logic
November 21st, 2009 at 2:14 am
Bucks not more talented, please. They just had a rookie drop 55 a few games ago, and that’s in addition to the other young solid players they have developed over the last few seasons. They also dumped Yi on us to make things even worse. Maybe you expect 55 out of Trenton Hassell, but I sure don’t. Also, what was the Bucks record last year, so I suppose they should have tossed Skiles off of that.
Overall, Frank’s had a solid career with the Nets. He’s won more games than any other Nets coach in history, so that’s not a small feat. I honestly feel he took the Kidd teams as far as they could have gone after the Finals trips. I would bet Kidd, Carter, and Jefferson still don’t go all the way after leaving the Nets, even though they are on better teams. I suppose it’s on their current coaches now if they don’t win a title too, so maybe Van Gundy should get packing.
November 21st, 2009 at 2:35 am
@ pegs .
could you please check out the roster of bucks against bobcats tonight?
Without MBah a moute, Bogut. Look at game 1, Devin Harris, Lee, Yi, and CDR all are there.
OK, then I can tell you Brook Lopez is already a top 5 center in the east, the bucks doesn’t have a center now, and they still beat the Bobcats.
Frank now have Lopez, T-Will, and CDR, three young good players, and the bucks only have a player, Jennings, only.
More excuse?
November 21st, 2009 at 2:44 am
And more, Dallas is without Josh Howard, Shawn Marion, they also have lost Brandon Bass. But now, they are the top one in the West.
Yeah, you might say they have Dirk, and Kidd and so on.
But, ASK YOURSELF, do you really believe they can be this good before the SEASON???
Rick Carlisle can prevent them from being bad, but you guys can say the 0-12 stuff is fine, no other coach on the planet can save this team.
What’s wrong with you, you just like the baby face coach personally?
November 21st, 2009 at 2:45 am
Dirk was MVP. Who on our team was ever MVP?
November 21st, 2009 at 2:48 am
MVP with role players can be top 1 in the West.
Solid young players with some vets could only be the dead last in the east?
November 21st, 2009 at 2:50 am
The Nets stink right now. There’s no debating that. Even if they replace Frank, even if they have a full roster, they will stink this year, bottom line, not up for debate. You are what you are. Comparing apples to oranges (i.e. the Nets to the Bucks) will not change that.
November 21st, 2009 at 2:51 am
They haven’t replaced Frank for a long time, now you tell me it would be the same if they change a coach. Are you Jesus?
November 21st, 2009 at 2:53 am
Yes, Jarkid. In basketball, one guy is 20 percent of your guys on the floor and makes that big a difference.
November 21st, 2009 at 2:54 am
Nope, just a basketball fan with common sense.
November 21st, 2009 at 2:54 am
The Bucks hit 10 three pointers tonight. They make 8.7 a game. They have better defenders. They have Brandon Jennings, a superior player than anyone on our team, injured or not.
We’re lucky if we can make 5 in a game. Really, we have never hit more than 5 three pointers this season. We make 3.3 a game. Our players are not that good at defense. We don’t have a great player….just young players developing and over-the-hill veterans.
November 21st, 2009 at 2:56 am
Then I suggest we should abolish the role of coach in the basketball game.
Coach is not needed, because he doesn’t play a game.
November 21st, 2009 at 2:56 am
Exactly, just because you’re young doesn’t mean you are good. Potential doesn’t usually equal reality.
November 21st, 2009 at 2:57 am
Bill Russell could make an argument for that actually.
November 21st, 2009 at 2:59 am
The knicks are a good three-pointer team, but they lose.
The Philadelphia is not a good three-pointer team, but they are better than the knicks.
Winning a basketball game is not based on how good you can shoot the ball beyond the arc.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:00 am
Re: Dallas – they have a future hall-of-famer who still has some left in Kidd; along with another future hall-of-famer 3 years removed from being MVP in Dirk.
We don’t have either.
They have depth – a 6th man of the year in Terry. Gooden, who started for a finals team – not great, but a serviceable role player.
Ross, Humphries, Beaubois – good-to-great defenders. Have you seen these guys play?
November 21st, 2009 at 3:00 am
CDR could score 30 points, Lopez can get 25 and 15. T-Will can score 20, grab 10 rebounds, and make good pass. They are not counted.
Jennings scored 55, then he is the next LeBron James.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:01 am
They only games the Knicks ever win is because of their hot shooting in a given night. They stink in all other aspects of the game, especially defense.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:02 am
Great job at missing the point, jarkid. 3 point shooting, defense, leadership are things the Bucks excel at that we do not. There are more things, I’m sure, but those are obvious things off the top of my head. You go ahead and look up the real reasons why the Bucks are better than the Nets.
Just a year ago, they were just as bad as us – I didn’t see you comparing the Nets to the Bucks then.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:03 am
I’m not saying the Bucks are that great yet. Season’s still very young.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:03 am
@pegs,
in common sense, Kidd is not even better than 50% of what he was.
When you are talking of a player about future hall-of-famer, it means he is old enough, and can’t be better than what he is.
Yeah, Jason Kidd was on this team in the last few years, but it was still a mess, they are still not a competitor in the east.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:04 am
now why can scott skile could make their team a good defensive team, but Frank can not?
November 21st, 2009 at 3:05 am
Yep, Jennings scored 55 on great percentages. Something no healthy Nets player could do. Not necessarily the next LeBron James (nobody said that), but he’s a star already.
He hit 7/8 three pointers. I guarantee you no Nets player will do that this season.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:07 am
Good point. Nets are volume shooters and don’t score easily. Always remember too, somebody has to do the scoring on a bad team too, and even if they put up good numbers in the box score, it doesn’t necessarily mean they are a great player on a good team.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:08 am
Frank had a chance not to be a winless coach this season at game 1, but guess what?
He had full rosters, had 19 points lead, and played against the 2nd worst team in the NBA, but guess what?
November 21st, 2009 at 3:10 am
The Nets players gave up that lead because of poor defense by Devin, absolutely no perimeter shooting, no help for Brook, and just awful turnovers. Cool.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:10 am
WOW, if you’d like not to be winless, you have to own a player that could score 55.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:11 am
Should have won that game, I agree, but still even full strength Nets are not good, it was on the road, and many of the guys in that game were injured in the preseason and had not played in game conditions coming into the year. Still, if full strength, the Nets should have about 3 to 4 wins right now.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:11 am
Pretty much. You’ve got it.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:13 am
Anyway, who do you guys like in the game today. To be honest, I think the Knicks will probably win bc of the shooting. They knock down a few threes in a row and Trenton Hassell and company can’t come back. Even if Devin Harris is coming off the bench. By the way, I don’t really like Devin Harris as a player anyway, but that’s another issue.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:13 am
They had 10 points lead within 5 minutes, and lost to a 2nd worst team in the league, what a coach.
You want to blame Devin for a lose for his poor defense, Flynn didn’t score 35, he just scored 18.
A good coach could change that situation, he could put T-Will on Flynn, but he didn’t.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:15 am
They can still lose at home, are you the new fan? they are not the team that plays much better at home, much worse on the road.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:15 am
It was T-Will’s first game as a pro.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:17 am
It will be mostly Knick fans anyway.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:17 am
You cannot point to the good things as an afterthought.
The bottom line is that before the season began, the Bucks didn’t have a “more talented” roster than we do. They’re winning right now not because their roster was objectively better, because they have a system and the preparation to allow the players to play well together and a scorer like Jennings to excel.
Lopez and CDR are ranked top 10 sophomore. Alston was the starting PG for a final team. Harris played two games, and Lee played a few more. TWill had doubles doubles. Simmons was among best 3pt shooter last season. Hassell among best defender. Boone, for some of you guys, is supposed to be an excellent backup in a good team. Yi is soft, but he’s better than many bigs the Bucks have now. We’re not just loosing now with everybody down; we have been loosing.
And this Bucks is as inexperienced and as newly assembled as it gets. Please, no more excuse. You can say that we only have like 50% of what we have or whatsoever, but according to some of you optimists, we were supposed to be light years ahead of the Bucks. A team that was considered as rock bottom before the season shouldn’t be winning as many games as they do now, when a team that you guys think will be winning like 40 games is winless now even with the injuries. Again, we (HAVE BEEN) loosing even with the full roster.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:19 am
Is Alston really playing like the starting PG for a finals team?
November 21st, 2009 at 3:19 am
Not really Croc. What 2 games with the full roster? And even with the full roster, I had the Nets for 20 to 25 wins this year anyway. I had the Bucks as better than them before the year too. I figured they could challenge for one of the last playoff spots. I didn’t believe the Nets could.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:21 am
That’s really overblown anyway, as Nelson came back in the Finals, plus it was Howard and the front line that carried them to the Finals.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:33 am
I’m not saying Alston is an all-star or anything.
But this roster is definitely not less talented than the Bucks, viewing from the preseason perspective.
CDR, Lopez and Alston are not less talented than Jennings, Bogut and Bell. And the Bucks’ role players are not any more proven or experienced than Hassell, Boone, Simmons…
and then there’s TWill who’s probably a better defender than any of the Bucks. The Bucks are just put together A HELL Lot better…..the evidence is written all over the whole game. Even I was shocked with how well they move the ball, even the likes of Defino and the guy whose name starts with LL whatever. So observable!
November 21st, 2009 at 3:35 am
Lopez, Yi, CDR, Lee, and Harris (AKA Full starting roster) started the Wolves and Orlando game, didn’t they? If the excuse was “oh, new team needs time to jell” then how come a lot of newly assembled teams (like the Bucks) are winning right away?
Again, no excuse!
November 21st, 2009 at 3:37 am
it was also the first game for Flynn as a pro.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:50 am
The Bucks don’t have 8 players available. They aren’t good enough to win with that many players out.
In fact, they played 10 players against Charlotte – which is a horrid team that had to trade for Steven Jackson because they couldn’t score.
Watch how the Bucks do against good teams without Bogut. It won’t be good even if Mbah a Moute, Kurt Thomas, Elson and Gaduric are all healthy. And that group is a heck of a lot better than the Boone/SWat combination the Nets have had to work with. Do you seriously not see a difference between the Nets’ backup bigs and that group? And I’m not even including Warrick or Ilyasova. How can anyone compare that with Bobby Simmons, Najera and Trent Hassell?
And even if you can’t see a difference so far (??!!) ask yourself if the Nets’ guard rotation of Alston and Terrence Williams has the firepower and depth of Jennings/Delfino/Bell/Meeks/Ridnour. All of them are better shooters than any guard the Nets have available. Want to say CDR is a guard until he regains his starting SF spot? Fine. The rotation still doesn’t compare and the outside shooting certainly is no different. None of those three are capable of unclogging the paint, that’s for sure.
Saying this skeleton crew the Nets have put on the court is as good as the Bucks is just atrocious. What is going on in here? Good lord.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:51 am
Yeah, I meant they played just 2 games with the starting roster, coming off preseason injuries mind you. That’s not enough to judge in my view, and again, even with that roster, I don’t see this team as a good one.
Wasn’t Bogut the number one overall pick? So he should be a superstar pretty much.
Jennings has been awesome so far too, plus the other Bucks have had time together as a unit the last couple of years, where they were pretty much terrible by the way.
Right now, I do think the Bucks are much more talented quite frankly. CDR looks like a nice player, but he almost went undrafted mind you. Lopez is a keeper, but still raw on most nights. Bogut is more polished. Alston is a journeyman. And this is the core mind you.
November 21st, 2009 at 4:02 am
@ itsaduck
I know bobcats are not a good offensive team, but you have to consider who held the Nets within 70 points and beat the Nets even they are not a good offensive team.
November 21st, 2009 at 4:12 am
Jennings and Ridnour are fine.
please check out the stats of the following 3 guys.
Meeks : 5.9 ppg with 31% field goal, and 31% 3pt.
Bell: 6.3 ppg with 39% field goal, and 40% 3pt.
Delfino: 8.9 ppg with 36% field goal, and 35.5% 3pt.
They are not Artest, Redd, or what. They are just team role players at best. Don’t want to make an argument as how great they really are.
The bucks are winning, because they are playing like a team, not because they really have more talents or firepower than the Nets.
November 21st, 2009 at 4:15 am
I am so sorry to see the invasion of the “we are Nets fans but they’re a terrible team” posters from the Message Board section of this website. Their endless analyses of why each team member of the Nets are inferior to most other teams are boring and consistently so negative that I’ll probably not visit this website as much. Thanks for the return of the “Recent Comments” section. I’ll surely use it as a filter for the doomsdayers.
November 21st, 2009 at 5:20 am
The scout who said
“This sounds crazy, but if you base it on someone getting the most out of his guys, I think he should be a Coach of the Year candidate.”
is also the scout who said
“He’s having to post up Trenton Hassell because that’s his best option.”
There went his credibility.
For those who say don’t play Swat cuz he won’t be here next year, either will Opie if he don’t win. It’s his decisions like playing small ball and not starting Swat whith Lopez that make him a bad coach. I do agree he is good at getting the most out of his players, it’s choosing the players he tries to get it out of that he’s not good at. He can’t recognize the talent it takes to win.
November 21st, 2009 at 5:27 am
one way to turn around the season… Sign AI!
November 21st, 2009 at 6:25 am
jarkid,
Devin Harris looked like he was bullfighting Johnny Flynn in the 4th qtr of the Minnesota game. I dare say that our on the ball defense has been better since Harris hasn’t been in the line up, I look forward to see if he will play defense like the rest of the Nets.
The Nets have been competitive in almost every game this season, even despite an 0-12 record this is the hardest that I’ve seen a Nets team play in about 3 years. With that said there is no way the Nets team we have seen so far are anywhere near the Bucks right now. We have to see this team at full strength to even begin to make comparisons.
November 21st, 2009 at 6:26 am
The Bucks are also a well coached team. the Nets, not so much.
November 21st, 2009 at 7:06 am
This is getting absolutely ridiculous. I mean, come on! Frank is as lame of a duck as you can find. He doesn’t deserve all this love at all. It’s been SEVEN (I do repeat, SEVEN) years and he’s done nothing to not to fire him after a dismal 0-12 start and keeping up his stubborn coaching. Enough with the excuses already, Frank needs to go.
November 21st, 2009 at 7:18 am
exactly, the Nets are NOT well coached team. period.
November 21st, 2009 at 7:21 am
0-12 is still 0-12. AND our best hope for a win anytime soon is today versus the almost as bad Knicks. Also, I predict that Devin plays ten minutes, re-injures himself, and is out till the All Star break. Something tells me we will be “OH” FOR NOVEMBER!
November 21st, 2009 at 7:33 am
I would support frank, but its unexcusable not to have the proper player combinations on the floor. I say the players who preform the best should play period…swat and twill did well against the bucks in the first half and frank refused to start them in the second half…things like that just pisses me off. for that, fire frank!
November 21st, 2009 at 7:35 am
When was the last game the Nets had more than 10 players available?
Not 12 or 13, but 10.
Three weeks ago.
November 21st, 2009 at 7:38 am
i forgot about clee…is he returning today as well?
November 21st, 2009 at 7:40 am
@Andy
He’s not playing 2nite… hopefully he will be back for the road trip
November 21st, 2009 at 7:51 am
Frank needs to go. We have a team with so much talent that is just playing bad and sloppy basketball. That only falls on the coach. He is too stubborn with his ways and is not getting the most from his players. I hope he gets let go and we get someone who can maximize on the talent on this team and get us to actually win some games
November 21st, 2009 at 7:56 am
Funny that the Bucks are considered well coached and Skiles was just fired by the Bulls 2 years ago. Coaching is important but talent is more important. There’s a reason Phil Jackson would never coach a team like the Nets unless they had a player like Kobe or Lebron. I’d say coaching is about 40% and the players 60% of why teams win and lose. Mike D’antoni looked a lot smarter coaching in Phoenix than he does in NY. The talent level made him look a lot smarter with better players..
November 21st, 2009 at 8:25 am
@Joe
This team has so much talent? Please. No one thought they’d be any good even before half the team went down.
Celtics fans wanted Rivers fired two years ago. Then, he won an NBA championship. How’d that happen? It’s about the horses. The Celtics didn’t have many then and the Nets don’t have many now.
The franchise is a MESS, an unadulterated MESS. No one has gone to games in YEARS, even when they were good. Carter joked last night that the only time the Nets had a sellout was against the Knicks…because Knick fans filled the arena. The ownership is in a muddle. No one knows where they will play next year or the year after that.
Blaming Frank for this mess is silly.
November 21st, 2009 at 8:33 am
Frank is a very good coach to NETS. Believe or not NETS should give Frank award and bonus. He had tried his utmost to play the games for lost, in this way NETS can get the best draft position for next year.
You guys should not put too much pressure on Frank now. You know, in this season, how many times, NETS lead in the first half or three quarters, then Frank purposely lost the games in the final quarter. Hopefully now you know what Frank has been doing for NETS.
November 21st, 2009 at 8:35 am
I agree with Supreme 40-60 sounds about right maybe 30-70 is closer but it’s more than just talent. It’s a certain talent that you need. RJ, VC & Kidd were as talented as you can get but the talent to win a title wasn’t there so we had to start all over. Talent also could make a coach look better than he is. Rivers wasn’t bad when the Celtics stunk and isn’t as good now although I like him. Jackson didn’t win without Jordan or with the Lakers with Kobe when he didn’t have a good big man. Sometimes the talent is so obvious anyone could win with it, it’s when it’s raw or underdeveloped LIKE SWAT that you see the value of the coach. If you want to see good coaching, look at Izzo (Mich St) and Self (KS). They consistently win with big men. Also we posters talk about how were in most games we really haven’t played many good teams. Wait till this next road trip. We’re going to take disaster to a new level. I do hope we win today
@ Net Income
Just remember we lost all preseason with our healthy team playing against scrubs and rookies and to Minn. the first game. If you think smalls or weak bigs are going to make a difference on this team, please get real.
November 21st, 2009 at 8:36 am
So suddenly Frank is a great coach because he has been hit with injuries? Are you kidding?
WE HAVEN’T WON A SINGLE GAME YET!!
Frank is absolutely one of the worst in the league at getting the most out of the least. His substitution patterns and player combinations are baffling.
The Nets are 0 – 12. How anyone could call the coach of that team good is beyond me.
November 21st, 2009 at 8:59 am
Agree Frank is doing a good job with team he has. Have always been a Frank fan. Also counts that front office explicitly sorts for character in its personnel decisions.
November 21st, 2009 at 9:34 am
A.M. Don’t bring up that junk about Frank being the winning-est coach in Nets’ history. He has also lost more than anyone else also. He’s the longest tenured nets’ coach in history, that is simply why he has won more games. If you want to talk about winning, talk about the coach with the best winning percentage. Please!!!
November 21st, 2009 at 9:35 am
As painful as it is to watch this team, it has a huge silver lining. This team went into rebuilding mode the minute they traded RJ and Kidd. And the fastest way to rebuild is to get a stud either through the draft or free agency. This team has all the arrows pointed in the right direction. We’ll finally get a top 3 pick with free agents like Amare, Bosh, Joe Johnson on the market and a billionaire owner. You add in Brook, Devin, CDR, Twill and even Yi and Courtney lee and you have the makings of a perfect storm that could take this team from worse to first overnight.
As hard as it is to take this medicine, it’s what’s needed. this team would otherwise be mediocre forever. With the pieces they have in place now it can become a very good team for years to come. And if it’s not with Frank so be it. We’re not going anywhere this year anyway so let’s get the number 1 pick.
November 21st, 2009 at 9:39 am
whats good about 0-12 ?!?!?!?!?
sigh, still we cant blame frank so hard, i mean he is playing 8 guys, 1 starter only, 1 rookie and 6 vets with nothing decent to show on-court.
so our only hope is that Harris comes back, same for Lee. its our only chance to beat Knicks.
If we loose this get ready to be ´´worst start in NBA history´´ i hooe we at least reach 15-67
November 21st, 2009 at 9:55 am
FYI… Lots of Nets talk on WFAN today.
http://twitter.com/JoeandEvan/status/5919359839
“Arrived at an empty Izod Center for our big show today…Coach Frank at 10:15…Keyon Dooling 11:15, Kiki 12:15…”
For those not in the NY area, you can listen at http://www.wfan.com/
November 21st, 2009 at 10:10 am
Thanks Nets Daily, I will tune in for my ride in.
November 21st, 2009 at 10:18 am
Frank as coach of the year. That’s rich.
And what trades – Lee (out – couldn’t shoot when he was in), Battie (out), and Alston (can’t shoot) for Anderson and Carter. Yi (out – again) and Simmons (sucks) for Jefferson. Its laughable.
It seems to me the trades really starting getting lousy when Vanderweghe showed up. And don’t they consult with Frank before making these trades? Is Frank completely blameless in all this?
Anyway, the only thing the Nets have done well is draft. They’ve got a number of good young players. Trading Anderson was a crime. And starting Simmons over S Williams is beyond stupid.
Enough excuses – Frank needs to go.
November 21st, 2009 at 10:21 am
Hallucination.
A hallucination is the brain’s reception of a false sensory input.
IMO it is nothing more than a hallucination to say that the future is bright and losing is good. The only thing we actually have is that there is a possibility of change and that possibility brings hope. Hope in this case requires a lot of patience.
And what is it with all these writers making the exact same points about the Nets future? Are they getting talking points from the Nets PR dept? I think yes.
November 21st, 2009 at 10:22 am
C’mon, Battie, Bobby Simmons and Jarvis Hayes for T-Mac!
Harris/Alston
CDR/Lee
T-Mac/T-Will
Yi/S. Williams
Lopez/Boone
November 21st, 2009 at 10:30 am
You trash Frank, then give reasons why Thorn and Kiki should be fired. Are you confused?
To answer your question, Frnak has no control over personnel. You think he went to Thorn and said “I like all these star players, but could you trade them for some unproven youngsters and journeymen? I’d really prefer that.”
Think about what you are saying.
November 21st, 2009 at 10:33 am
AT DIRT -BATTIE, SIMMONS, HASSEL OR NAJERA or just sign IVERSON
November 21st, 2009 at 10:35 am
Sean Williams is terrible.
Name one player who didn’t develop under Frank who went somewhere else and did better.
He’s been here seven years. Name one.
November 21st, 2009 at 10:37 am
Iverson is 1000% useless to the Nets – which is fine since there is a 0% chance they will sign him.
November 21st, 2009 at 11:08 am
Excellent analysis by S. Powell. Maybe it’s because it’s what I’ve been preaching all along
We have so much to look forward to for next season that for the first time since I became a fan, I’m willing to let them pack in one season, especially if it gets them a high lottery pick. ROD THORON IS AN ABSOLUTE GENIUS! He’s the reason we’ll jump from chumps to championship contenders in one season. I remember thinking the same thing when I first heard we got Kidd for Marbury. And we have even more to work with now than back then. Things are looking mighty good, Netfans (if we’re willing to stay patient).
November 21st, 2009 at 11:20 am
There is no such thing as a Frank Fan and a Net Fan. They are either his parents or his kids.
November 21st, 2009 at 11:28 am
I don’t want Iverson on this team either. I think T-Mac is in a different place in his career and is looking for infinitesimally different things than Iverson. Plus, he could play the 3.
November 21st, 2009 at 11:51 am
Don’t forget! The Bucks lost their best player, Michael Redd, the equivalent of Harris to the NEts. And my friends, the Bucks are not just 1 or 2 games ahead of us. THey’re a heck lot better than us. Their record indicates a superior group of talent, but clearly they do not have that. Pleaes face it!
November 21st, 2009 at 12:02 pm
So Frank is never consulted during the trade process to get his input on a trade? To see if he thinks it will work?
If that is really the case, then they deserve what they get. You are paying a guy $4 million a year to coach a team and you exclude him entirely from trade decisions? You don’t even ask his opinion? What nonsense.
In the end it doesn’t matter who’s to blame – I suspect there’s plenty to go around, including the current ownership. The result is failure – pure and simple. And for those of us who work in the real world, we know all to well what the cost of failure is.
November 21st, 2009 at 12:04 pm
“If Lawrence gets fired for being 0-12, it will be a disgrace to our league because of how hard they play,” a rival scout said. “Most teams would have packed it in by now, but he’s getting everything out of them that he can — they play hard, they execute. He’s having to post up Trenton Hassell because that’s his best option. This sounds crazy, but if you base it on someone getting the most out of his guys, I think he should be a Coach of the Year candidate.”
Yeah, he gets the most, but the problem is fans think there is more. If Hassell is your post up guy, then you are in trouble. If Yi is your starter, you are in trouble. If your best shooter is Lopez, then you are in trouble (since who is posting). If T-Will is playing 35 minutes, you are in trouble. And if 4/5ths of your starters and your two best bench players are not playing, you are in trouble. Take away Pierce, KG, Rondo, Allen, House, and Daniels and leave Perkins and the Celtics are in trouble.
November 21st, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Bucks have clearly more talented than our mess right now. Bogut outplayed our best player. Enough said.
November 21st, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Don’t talk about these things after the fact. Bogut “outplayed” our best player, but it’s not something that we would have PREDICTED before the season began. Therefore, it’s not really a matter of talents by any objective measure. Again, the Bucks are not just 1 or 2 games ahead of us; they’re playing as if they have a superior group than we do, which they clearly do not.
November 21st, 2009 at 12:17 pm
wow 100 comments.
havent seem that much since the Boozer trade talk a few months ago!!!
BTW 101 with this one lol
November 21st, 2009 at 12:19 pm
What more can be asked from frank? Its not his fault 4/5 starters are out and 2 key bench players are out as well.
I really think we need to give LF an opportunity to prove himself with a good team that has expectations. Not with this disaster of a team.
November 21st, 2009 at 12:19 pm
wow 100 comments.
havent seem that much since the Boozer trade talk a few months ago!!!
BTW 101 with this one lol
plZ dont sign iverson, we cant be that desesperate, not vets minimus, not min, not rookie min, not any type of salary, NOTHING!!!
if he comes we go 0-82 untill he leaves town. Book it
Knicks will Hammer us
November 21st, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Andrew Bogut is in his 5th season, not to mention he was the number 1 pick in his draft. He’s not some scrub. When healthy, he is very much a legit NBA center.
He outplayed Lopez. So? His post game is much more polished than Brook Lopez and he’s had much more time to work on his NBA game. Lopez is bigger and stronger, he just needs more time to develop. Imagine Brook Lopez in 3 years. Scary.
November 21st, 2009 at 12:26 pm
I believe that Andrew Bogut is also Jim Spanarkel’s sons favorite player, because they are both named Andrew.
November 21st, 2009 at 12:31 pm
The Bucks are not superior to the Nets when the Nets have 8 players.
Whatever you say.
November 21st, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Funny thing is, most of people on this board said we would finish ahead of the Bucks before the season started. They are a GUTTED team that lost several key players in the offseason (RJ, Sessions, Villanueva), and Skiles is making a kid like Jennings (who was absolutely unimpressive in Europe) look like an AS caliber player, and they keep winning games even if they are playing without Redd and now Bogut. Some of the guys who they picked up during the offseason and are now starting for them weren’t in the league last season, they were playing in Europe (Delfino, Ilyasova)… please, stop making excuses. Scott Skiles a far superior coach to Opie.
November 21st, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Never talk about 8 players.
Just open your eyes to game 1 when Frank had full rosters, 19 points lead, and played against a team that only gets a win from the Nets.
November 21st, 2009 at 12:56 pm
@jarkid
Exactly! And they were playing without Kein Love. Enough with the excuses!
November 21st, 2009 at 1:01 pm
@croc,
i think a good way to express it.
(lowest to highest : 0~10 )
Nets talents / Bucks talents
3 / 5
Nets performance / Bucks performance
2 / 7
November 21st, 2009 at 1:01 pm
People open your eyes. There’s a reason why were losing a lot of these winable games. We have a cancer…. his name is….. Alston.
November 21st, 2009 at 1:15 pm
If the Nets lose today Frank is fired. Mark my words.
November 21st, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Funny thing is no one mentioned about Bogut when they argued that the Nets are light years ahead of the Bucks during the offseason.
Keep talking after the fact. Swift was a no. 2 pick; Yi was no. 7…..big deal!
November 21st, 2009 at 2:02 pm
croc – Sorry that nobody had a crystal ball.
November 21st, 2009 at 2:09 pm
A crystal ball is the answer to the loser excuses.
November 21st, 2009 at 2:11 pm
I’m sure the Bucks fans didn’t think CDR was gonna blossom into the scorer he is now. No double standard in the real world!
November 21st, 2009 at 2:12 pm
What does Bucks fans have to do with anything?
Bringing up irrelevant argument is the answer to the loser excuses.
November 21st, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Because some loser Nets fans used Bogut as an excuse why the Nets wasn’t as good as the Bucks this season.
Want irrelevant argument? Trace back to the arguments you and the fellow Frank’s lovers made throughout this thread.
November 21st, 2009 at 2:19 pm
I’m sure there will be more excuse when everyone is back healthy and we still lose to some teams that everyone deemed the Nets were superior to before the season began.
Losers never fail to find excuses. It’s going to become a culture here.
November 21st, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Maybe you need to go back and re-read. I’m pretty sure that Jennings was listed as the best reason why the Nets are better. Oh, and the shooters. Oh, and the defenders. Oh, and the depth.
I would like to see those irrelevant arguments from “fellow Frank’s lovers”. I can’t seem to find them within these comments.
November 21st, 2009 at 2:27 pm
That’s part of what being a Frank’s lover means. You can’t see through you own biases.
I’m pretty sure many people have said that Jennings shouldn’t be used as the “reason”. The shooters? Simmons was a better shooter than anyone of them, and supposedly the few games that Lee played. The Depth? The LL guy? The Delfino (are u kidding)?
Keep finding excuse. I’m amused!
November 21st, 2009 at 2:29 pm
If you people have a valid point, please lay out the conditions by which the Nets or Frank would actually be responsible for their losses. It’s not an argument if you do not have the conditions to prove it wrong. Otherwise, you’re just keep throwing out excuses.
November 21st, 2009 at 2:46 pm
At least I’m not a Frank hater, who would rather see Frank leave than for the Nets to win games.
November 21st, 2009 at 2:48 pm
doh, the Nets are losing to the Knicks right now.
Frank is doing a good job. Without him, this team would have been behind the knicks by 120 points right now.
Knicks are much more talented.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Nice, Jarkid!
November 21st, 2009 at 3:23 pm
I don’t see how this loss would be at the fault of Frank. You’d have to explain that to me.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Another loss.
1.He put Hassell on Harrington, and Harrington can shoot the 3 like shooting the free throw.
2.Can’t make this team to be a better defensive team.
3.D’Antoni outcoached Frank, after two timeouts, his team scored 11 points to answer the Nets.
4. There is always nothing to do with Frank, this coach is just better than Gatorade.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Antoni is a horrible coach, but he seems like a giant against Frankie. Our defense is horrible (I guess that’s nothing to do with Frank), and our offense was a mess (again, through no fault of Frank). we got a great coach, and the players messed up, right?
Oh, and I forgot, Harris is back and he played awesome.
CDR was awesome as well; he’s on his way for a MIP mention. Lopez was great too….
November 21st, 2009 at 3:35 pm
They’re 0-13, but it’s good 0-13.
These are good materials for excuses.
Harris is not Jennings.
Lopez is not Duncan.
CDR is not James.
T-Will is not D-Wade.
S-WIll is not Amare.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:38 pm
The “good 0-13″ Nets! I’m so proud with the team and I do not have one question about coach Frank. You gotta see through the loosing, right?
Something to be thankful for as the holiday arrives.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Yeah man, Frank should have played better out there. He should have gotten more rebounds and made more open 3’s. Then we definitely would have won. Great job everyone else on the team! They were awesome.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Told you the Knicks would win. The difference was 3 point shooting as I predicted. Nets played reasonably well again, but the 3 pointer covers for a lot of errors on both ends of the floor, and the Knicks have much better shooters than the Nets, whose best 3 point shooters (Hayes and Dooling) are always wearing suits by the way. Oh well, aggravating, and I still support Frank, but I have better things to do with my weekend right now. Later.
November 21st, 2009 at 6:18 pm
I will be very thankfull if they win their next game, but it will be a tough one seeing that it’s against the Nuggets.
November 21st, 2009 at 11:10 pm
Hey Kid’s..What time is it ????? It’s Howdy Doody time…It’s Howdy Doody time….LOL…..Want a Good Laugh…Take a trip to Doodyville….For all of you young people here..Type in Howdy Doody on your computer…Check out some of the pictures and the last episode , etc…If this isn’t Lawrence Frank as a puppet we will win the championship this year…