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Going Small: Hassell at PF, TWill and CDR at WingsNovember 17, 2009, 11:38 amLawrence Frank plans to go small vs. the Pacers Tuesday to neutralize Danny Granger. The plan is for the 6′5″ Trenton Hassell to start at power forward, with Terrence Williams and Chris Douglas-Roberts on the wings. Eduardo Najera may be a scratch (bad back), leaving the Nets with eight healthy bodies for the fourth time in five games. Small ball good news for TWill. Stats say he’s best at shooting guard.  Nets Basketball is on Twitter - Ben Couch - Twitter.com The Many Positions Of Terrence Williams - Sebastian Pruiti - Nets Are Scorching Going Small - Al Iannazzone - In the 'Zzone Nets say 10 straight losses is enough - Julian Garcia - The InterNets The Body Count - Dave D'Alessandro - Nets Blast Nets: Let's Get Small - Fred Kerber - New York Post Nets BlogPosted in Alston, Rafer; Douglas-Roberts, Chris; Frank, Lawrence; Hassell, Trenton; Injuries; Lopez, Brook; Najera, Eduardo; Pacers; Williams, Terrence | 63 Comments » |
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November 17th, 2009 at 11:40 am
LoL Rafer Johnson
November 17th, 2009 at 11:45 am
“Rafer Johnson.” Make that Rafer Alston.
I predict that, when Devin Harris and Keyon Dooling return, Rafer is gone by December. Chris Paul is hurt–maybe New Orleans can use him?
November 17th, 2009 at 11:49 am
how tall is granger like 6′9? this will interesting. L-Frank really isn’t a bad coach for the team we have he’s doing a pretty good job.
November 17th, 2009 at 11:50 am
yes yess he’s 6′8 definitely can play small ball with this line-up!
November 17th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Frank does not play to win. He plays to stay close and lose.
Why doesn’t he let the opposition worry about him. Put out the best players and let them play.
November 17th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
B-Lo and the Midgets? Are they a Doo-Whop group or a circus attraction?
November 17th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
I usually agree with you Mike, but when you don’t have your best talent, it is a safer bet to match-up with the other team. Do you think Boone can handle Granger if he is playing the 4? Hassell is the best chance you got out there to stop him. I am not a Lawrence Frank fan, far from it, but you can’t give him crap for this move.
November 17th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
@Mike,
Ru Kidding Mike? Why doesn’t Frank make the opposition worry about him? He DOES, by extraordinarily getting us close in these games that ALL should have been double digit blow outs.
We are fielding a bunch of kids and 3rd rate players and our roster is half of a normal team’s. I don’t think the opposition is worrying about the Nets coming into games. Huge Kudos to Frank for getting them to worry in the waning moments of games.
November 17th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
@Sebastian Pruiti and @Jron;
So once we get our “regulars” back we should be a .500 team, with Franks great coaching? I don’t think that will happen. Opie will still find a way to lose.
P.S. I really like Frank but I think he worries too much about the other teams players. I guess we will all find out if Frank is a winning coach, if and when, we get our players back.
November 17th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
@Who knows Mike? Frank could very well mess things up. I am just looking at the start of this season. You can’t blame him for any of this, and he has done the best he can extracting talent from the group he is playing. You can at least give him that right?
November 17th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
I wish Opie thought more like this man;
“Oh, I am heartily tired of hearing about what Lee is going to do. Some of you always seem to think he is suddenly going to turn a double somersault, and land in our rear and on both of our flanks at the same time. Go back to your command, and try to think what are we going to do ourselves, instead of what Lee is going to do.”–An uncharacteristic burst of temper from Grant when being reminded repeatedly of the powers of Robert E. Lee.
November 17th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
With Najera likely out with a bad back, this will be the fourth game in the last five that the Nets have eight players, the league minimum. The coach hasn’t even had the same eight to work with for more than two games. Yet the team has been competitive and with top flight teams the last several games. Frank has done a hell of a job this season…a hell of a job.
Meanwhile, across the river, everyone gives the great Mike D’Antoni the benefit of every doubt. The measure of a coach is how he works with what he is given. Frank has been given nothing then had half of that nothing taken away.
D’Antoni has a veteran lineup and some promising kids. He has played most of his games at home. Yet everyone in the NBA notes how the Nets outhustle them every night. He is admittedly clueless about how to turn it around.
Stop the complaining. So what if he doesn’t look like a coach or never played college ball (sounds like a complaint from someone who sat on a bench at a Division III school.) He sat next to Bobby Knight for four years. Better the Nets should hire someone who played four years at Appalachian State? Gregg Popovich averaged 1.5 ppg over the course of his college career at Air Force. Should he have never been hired.
November 17th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Frank coaching style reminds me of the guy who hangs around the girl, scared to make a move, but still hoping that he might get lucky at the end of the night,if he stays “close” enough. I guess sometimes it might work, but I just don’t like playing like that. Lets go out and beat the tar out of the Pacers tonight. Lets go Nets.
November 17th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
@ Net Income
Precisely, 100% correct. In every respect.
November 17th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
C– Alston
PF- Hassell
SF- Dooling
SG- Harris
PG- Sign tyron lue
thats an outstanding 5.
go noobs go
November 17th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
…what?
November 17th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
@NetIncome;
Don’t get fooled by those “close” games. Except for the first game this year, I never thought the Nets were really going to win any of these so called “close” games. Even the last one against the Heat, and I want the Nets to win.
November 17th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Let’s not forget sometimes teams come in and play down to the level of their competition too. Last year the Knicks went through the same thing where they only had 8 or 9 players available each game and they were very competitive too. Matter of fact if I recall correctly, the Knicks even won a couple of those games. I give Frank some credit for the team finally being competitive the last 2 or 3 games, it’s just too bad it took injuries for us to see what ppl have been saying for over a year, play big not small. We’ve done better with Boone and Brook and Sean and Brook combos on the floor. You can play small for some matchups but not every single game. Frank is still a horrible head coach, but the last couple games have at least been watchable.
November 17th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
@Mike
Yeah so blame Frank for having eight players? Where’s the logic? Did you think this was a 40 win team…that every pundit who looked at the roster was wrong? You have seven players on their rookie contracts and several journeymen who, truth be told, were dumped by their former teams without an offer (that would be Hayes, Dooling, Najera), another guy who has one of the worst contracts in the NBA (that would be Simmons) and a single all-Star.
This is a rebuilding year. Anyone who thought they were going to make the playoffs with this roster was not just an optimistic, but a leading candidate for the role of Pollyana in their high school or college play.
I doubt he will be back. I expect Prokhorov or whoever takes over the team to dump him. If that happens, he will be resigned by another team by the draft.
You want someone to blame? Blame Thorn for delaying the rebuilding effort by a year, blame Bruce Ratner for overreaching on his real estate deal, blame Daniel Goldstein for delaying the arena. Frank to me is the least to blame.
He should be judged by one standard this season: how did the young players develop. It’s pretty hard for me to read people rave about how CDR and TWill and Lopez are great young players and at the same time complain about Frank. You think these guys became good NBA players by osmosis? If you do, you diminish the value of player development in the NBA.
November 17th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Who cares where T-Will plays? He’s been a bust at every position so far. The guy just can’t shoot.
November 17th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Once I had a chance to play tennis against against a top-twenty tour player for a week. I lost every match.
When I returned home, I fired my tennis coach. If he was any good, I should’ve won half the games.
November 17th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
@Net Income;
It sounds like you are giving Opie a get out of jail free card, for the rest of the year, and all prior years. How many “good young” players has Frank developed in the past 5 years.
Let me count. Lopez, CDR, Harris? I don’t count CDR cause the jury is still out on him and I don’t count Harris because he is a bad young player in my humble opinion.
Frank is constanly rolling the boulder up the mountain, and the boulder keeps rolling back down. Should of been fired 2 years ago. Wrong man, wrong time, wrong team.
November 17th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
@Mike: That hanging-around-the-girl scenario was kind of creepy. Social life OK?
November 17th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
@ Mike
Don’t get worked with posters who are clueless. This team with a good coach could win 40 games. Morons don’t see the advantage of going big against small. They would rather matchup. I love watching Opie twist in the wind while he goes small. It’s JUSTICE!!!
November 17th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
you know what?i think TWill will tweet after tonight’s game
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November 17th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
@gino;
Of course not. Why do you think I spend so much time on this website and root for the Nets?
November 17th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Oh yes, the Nets selected so many first-rate draft picks who have of course gone on to glory after leaving New Jersey. I blame Frank.
There was the great second round pick in 2002: Tamar Slay, who some idiot (not on this board, but in a booth) compared to George Gervin. Last heard from: Carmatic PT in the Italian B league.
And who can forget Zoran Planinic, who has a never-exercised yearly NBA option in his European contract. Second round: oh wait, they sold Kyle Korver’s rights\s for $125K on Draft Night, thus eliminating any chance Frank could ruin his career.
Ratner sold the first pick to Paul Allen in 2004, but Stefanski told us Christian Drejer was close to first round talent. No, he didn’t. No, really, he did. Drejer’s retired after earning the nicknames “El Enigma” in Spain and “Il Depresso” in Italy. No, I am not kidding. The same ankle injury that caused him to drop in the 2004 draft caused him to give up the game.
With the 15th pick in the 2005 Draft, the New Jersey Nets select: Danny Granger? No. Hakim Warrick? No. Gerald Green? No. Nate Robinson? No. David Lee? No. Oh right, Antoine Wright. He has gone on to much greater glory first in Dallas and now Toronto, where he has done even less than in New Jersey. Bravo. Mile Ilic? Please the pain of memory. He did play in Spain last year, but no record of him this year.
Who can forget the glee of the Nets having two first round picks in 2006, back to back: Marcus Williams and Josh Boone. MWill is now in Memphis where his contract requires him to weigh in, literally, every week. He had his ONLY good days in the NBA with the Nets. Luckily, they got a first round pick for him and then were able to even rejigger the trade to get a second round pick. AMAZING, but that’s dealing with the Warriors for you. Boone is, unfortunately, a head case who would have dropped into the second round if the Nets hadn’t taken him and who has been injured in each of his first three NBA off seasons. Did I miss Hassan Adams, whose brilliance Frank couldn’t see (in spite of starting him eight games–no wins)? Where’s he doing damage? Vojvodina…that’s in the Hungarian-speaking zone of Serbia. Some paprika on your golash, sir?
Which brings us to 2007. Take a chance on a guy thrown off his college team three consecutive years, once for academic problems, twice for drugs. A “good kid” who has proceeded to be arrested twice more (one still pending), had a temporary restraining order placed against him by a great American university after a campus cop smelled marijuana smoke coming from his car, was marked returned-to-sender by the D-League after an embarrasing two-week visit, and has been criticized for his lack of focus by Jefferson, Carter and Harris, but never publicly by his coach. Obviously, Frank’s fault.
Beyond picks, the jury is still out on Yi and Lee, but golly, how did that Harris kid go from a career average of 9.4 ppg in Dallas to three 40+ games and all-Star berth in 13 months. Again, it couldn’t have had anything to do with the coach “giving him the keys to the car”. Wait, I forgot how Frank ruined Mo Ager, who was cut by a team in Seville last month.
Giving him a pass for the rest of the season? You bet…and for last season too. Look closely at the roster. There isn’t much there when it’s healthy.
Again, you want to blame someone. Start with Stefanski.
November 17th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
I guess at this rate, Frank will be going into the Hall of Fame, in 35 years or so as Nets coach, and he will probably still look like Opie. Yikes…
November 17th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
fire frank hassel can’t play pf
November 17th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
@Net Income and many of the posters here: Prior to the Lopez pick – the Nets have been a disaster in the drafts. I think Rod Thorn is a great NBA GM but strictly from a trade standpoint. He has never done a great job with free agent signings nor the draft. His best draft picks were MJ (fell into his lap) and Kenyon (only stud for the #1 pick).
Since Kiki has come aboard – the Nets have had a very good run in the draft. Lopez (fell into their lap so can’t give too much credit), Ryan Anderson (great pick at 21) and CDR. And this year – TWill is going to work out to be a great pick.
So for everyone who cries for Frank to be fired on a daily basis – look at the young players he has had to work with prior to last season. And all 3 guys from last season have turned out pretty good so far; and I have high hopes that TWill develops into an important piece of the puzzle.
This is a rebuilding season as Net Income said – it was always a rebuilding season – and with healthy guys and even having signed Boozer – this was still primarily a rebuilding season. The problem is that this rebuilding should have happened earlier than it did – all those years making a late season push for a 6-8 seed hurt our draft standing and just delayed the inevitable. Every team has to go through rebuilding – its a fact of life.
November 17th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Make no mistake about it, the coach is the biggest reason we suck. The second biggest is cuz our owner is not a fan and is broke, so we retain a loser coach, an historic bust at PF and no money to make moves while we’re in sale mode. If you believe that Opie developed anybody, you’re fooling yourself. Talent is not something that’s instilled, it’s recognized. All the draft picks stated above were smalls (SF or guards) except Boone and Swat and Opie wouldn’t know what to do with them if he had Howard and KG. He’d still look at Indiana and go small. LOL!
November 17th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Jesus christ, Frank is a moron. This team has no identity, period. The closest thing we have to an identity is the opponent’s identity, which we try to adjust to. Frank’s disgusting love for small ball is a disgrace. It’s just a disgrace.
November 17th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
@ Netsdaily
Any chance we could get the Recent Comments portion of the site back. I found it very helpfull.
November 17th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Blaming the Nets poor past drafts for Opie’s failures is quite a stretch. Other teams have had poor drafts, and these teams coaches have been fired, and I never heard one coach, fan or talking head, blame it on the poor draft. When has an Opie led team ever over achieve. If England “finest hour” during WWII was anything resembling Opie’s “finest hour” now, we all would be posting in German.
November 17th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
TWILL HAS SHOT POORLY SO FAR and is just waaaay over his head as a rookie playing 30+ minutes a game on a team looking to him for scoring and playmaking. He is just much too green for this role, ten games into his rookie year. AND CDR is not much different, having only played significant minutes in 30 games as a rookie. Boy did WE and half the NBA screw up passing on Danny Granger…Picking up Brook last year doesn’t cover for five years of poor drafting…Antoine Wright? Sean? Boone? Marcus? Who takes the blame for these guys?
November 17th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
@Mike
“Why doesn’t he let the opposition worry about him. Put out the best players and let them play.”
Amen. Frank is clueless, period.
IMO, things like these (or playing Boone just 5 minutes against the Magic b/c they went small and Frank try to adjust to their system) are the clearst indicator that this team has no identity. Other teams don’t care about adjusting to our style, bc we have no identity. But we try to adjust to our opponent’s system, and Frank takes advantage of any opportunity to go small. It’s just disgusting.
November 17th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
@ Net Income
“With the 15th pick in the 2005 Draft, the New Jersey Nets select: Danny Granger? No. Hakim Warrick? No. Gerald Green? No. Nate Robinson? No. David Lee? No. Oh right, Antoine Wright.”
I find it quite funny that you bash the MWill, Swat and even Boone picks, and when you talk about some players we pass up on to take Wright you dare to mention Gerald Green, who is OUT of the league and if I’m not mistaken he doesnt even has a contract with a professional basketball team.
I sure blame Thorn for the several mistakes he’s made, the biggest one of them being not getting rid of this disgrace of a coach the Nets have. Idk what Rod was drinking the day he signed Opie to that albatross extension.
November 17th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Yawn. Go Nets!
November 17th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
@Net Income
Usually I agree with your standpoint 100%…It’s typically very logical and makes a lot of sense; however, I have to agree with Andres on the above post. Boone and MWilliams KILLED IT in college at UConn together and I think we were all a little excited and intrigued to see how that chemistry would carry over to the professional level. Unfortunately it didn’t pan out, but any of us would have definitely given that combo a 2nd look with the back to back picks. I remember the first season MWilliams was healthy JKidd and VC were saying he was the best back-up PG in the league…I know they were just being supportive of their teammate, but they definitely had to think he had promise to make a bold statement like that.
November 17th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
@NetsIncome
I agree with you Lawrence Frank is a great coach, I dont know what all of these delantious parasitic tapeworms all these Dentally Hygienically Challenged Plonkers these pleviens who follow the whimes of the ultimate hypocracy Rod Thorn and his dysfunctional family.
Its not franks idea to play Yi he is where we get a lot of our money from. We arent going to waste all the money we are paying him for him to sit and not play.
But Net Income I dont think Josh Boone should be playing that guy cant even hit a basket when he is under it.
November 17th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Rod Thorn was not drinking, he was thinking that hiring a strong capable coach might endanger his job security down the road. Makes sense, since so many great coaches want greater control over all basketball related decisions. Opie is just happy being “coach”. No looking over the shoulder with Opie around.
November 17th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
I still can’t get over how they could stand Brandon Armstrong next to Gilbert Arenas, analyze both extensively, and then select Brandon. Boggles the mind.
November 17th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
How I feel about the game tonight, courtesy of the Boss.
“Tonight I’ll be on that hill ’cause I can’t stop,
I’ll be on that hill with everything I got,
Lives on the line where dreams are found and lost,
I’ll be there on time and I’ll pay the cost,
For wanting things that can only be found
A NJ Nets victory on the edge of town.”
Goodnight and may tomorrow bring happier postings.
Lets go Nets….
November 17th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
simmons’ best position is the small forward beside the towel boy…
November 17th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Good job Netsdaily! Recent Comments is back. With results like this I wonder if you can coach.
November 17th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
It’s funny how people talk about Larry Frank as if all he’s ever had in all his seasons as Nets head coach is horrible players and draft picks. Sure Larry didnt have any players like Jason Kidd, Richard Jefferson, Vince Carter, or Nenad Krstic. No one knows who is gonna be good in the draft until the season is over, the draft is a crap shoot. Sometimes guys dont develop because of the team having no identity and no defined role either. Some of those same busts we had may have developed under someone else if they had connected with the coach and knew their role earlier in their career too(not just talking about Larry here). So no player who has come into the NBA and gone has ever been failed by a coach? Not every player would be a “bust” if they had a different coach as their influence the first year or 2 compared to who they get. Sometimes you just get stuck in the wrong place, wrong system, wrong time. Unfortunately for our picks, there hasnt been a system lol. Every team has picks that dont pan out, some several in several years too, doesnt mean its always a bad player and the Nets are no special exception. There are teams that have had top overall #1-#3 draft picks turn into busts, do their coaches get special breaks? The main problems Larry Frank has have nothing to do with draft picks or even the roster itself, he has problems that stem from himself and he hasnt changed in all this time.
November 17th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
NI only covered the draft. That’s not including some horrid signings, and some awful trades. We’ve had very few good trades post-Frank – Cliffy (if you consider that good), Vince, um…is that it?
Other than Dooling and Hayes, both post-Stefanski, I can’t think of any good signings.
Funny how Kidd, Jefferson, Carter, and Krstic are mentioned…and no one else. Most of the time, we only had 3 of them (50 win season when we had all 4, btw, WITH FRANK). Outside of those guys, we had a declining Collins…Cliffy…and…err…who else?
November 17th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
Pegs,
each year during that span the Nets filled out their roster with three or four declining vets on minimum one-year deals. The only ones that were any good, if I remember, were Eddie House and Mikki Moore. For some reason House was branded “one-dimensional” and there was no effort to resign him; and I suspect that it was a ploy by management because he was seeking a raise.
You can’t win in the NBA with three or four good players and scraps. Especially when one of your “good players” can’t shoot.
Krstic only had a half-year of good production, and then he got hurt.
November 17th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
I just don’t get L. Frank’s undying passion for playing small ball. Why does he keep adjusting his lineup based on the other team’s roster. Why not put the best player and play on their strengths? The reason we haven’t had an identity for the past few years is simply because of Frank’s stubbornness on adjusting to the other team.
Was he watching the Warriors vs. Dallas playoff series back in 07? If we have learned anything from that series, it is that you don’t let your opponents dictate your decision. The team that brought them 67 wins was no longer in effect, because the team has lost its identity from constant roster shuffling.
November 17th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Thanks, Sophie’s Dad. I forgot about House and Moore. Add those to the list of very few good additions.
November 17th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Seriously Najera???? F-ing seriously??? There comes a point where a guys not worth having around anymore. You alomost want the guy to skip practice because then you might have him for the the first quarter.
November 17th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Sorry @ Nets Income, dont have time to read all the posts but got to agree with @ Mike (Plus love the US Grant quote) The one thing we know about Frank is that he will only play small. If he had coached Parish, Mchale and Bird, Mchale would only have gotten backup center minutes and probably would have been traded because he duplicated Parish (Sorry KiKi) His only concept is to go small. The game is played on both ends of the floor and the NBA is a talent and size league. No one ever gets anywhere playing small. What about making the other team pay on the other end of the floor. Hurt them on the O boards like the Nets have been hurt so many times and make them adjust to you. Do you think Lakers go small when they play pacers? Now they have much better bigs but I think the legitmate concern as expressed by many knowledgeable posters is that Frank does not know how to adjust other than to play small. If Frank coaches the Lakers Odom plays back up center, Artest plays 4, Kobe splits time between the 3 and the 4 and Bynum was long since traded or relegated to the bench ala Swat. The player you list as Frank developing are all smalls and all play the same position. It does not matter who the bigs are, he is never going to play them because he does not understand the basic principle that size and length lead to defense and rebounding and success in the NBA which is why I can’t take it anymore. 72 losses to go and Frank can go play small ball in the Teaneck Biddy league.
November 17th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
amusingly, when Jason Collins was still on the team, I’m sure that many of you were BEGGING Frank to “go small.” can’t have it both ways.
November 17th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
@Andrés – How can the team have an identity when everyone is out hurt. That is what I am saying, sure Lawrence Frank is an awful coach, but you can’t fire him now with all of the injuries, especially because he has this team battling and playing hard. He still doesn’t make the right calls (it took him 3-4 games to realize that Brook and SWAT together works), but when you got a team playing hard you can’t switch that now. So while guys like Devin, Courtney, and Yi are hurt he gets a pass (at least from me). Once they are healthy and he is still making the headscratchers, I will be calling him out once again like I usually do.
November 17th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
As long as frank plays swat I’m happy and now with najera out nets will win tonight
November 17th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Like Ive said many times, it doesnt matter who is on the roster, Larry Frank’s problems run deeper. I dont expect the team to pick up big wins with everyone being hurt, they could go 0-50, and I would understand. The team could be healthy and Frank will still have the SAME problems he has now. It’s not because of the record that he’s a bad coach, he’s just a bad head coach period. Once Kidd left all his deficiencies were exposed. Kidd covered up a lot of his short comings and that is why we only started seeing them the past few seasons as Kidd got frustrated and after Kidd left. Frank’s problems have been more than just THIS season. He still cant give the team an identity(yes more than just THIS season), he makes bad substitutions, he doesnt put his players in the best positions to succeed, he doesnt recognize match-ups, he doesnt command respect from his players or officials, he wants to play small no matter what, he is set in his ways and never changes, everything with him has to be his way and by the book, he over-coaches and micro-manages every play, he doesnt know how to counter the other team, and he only comes in with 1 game-plan. Those are problems that he has REGARDLESS of the roster EVERY season.
November 17th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
@pegs
Frank never won 50 games. Also, the season he took over the Nets were 22-20 when Byron got fired. Those guys already had coaching from Byron Scott and had their games at a higher level than during the time they had Frank. Look at what happened as Frank had time with them, the team record declined and they no longer had the identity of a top defensive team. Under Frank their peak was the 2005-2006 season(49-33), other than that ONE season they were 42-40,41-41,34-48,and 34-48. What other coach could still have a job after seasons like that?
November 17th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
I have seen two things lately: this team plays its heart out for Frank and they compete with less talent. So, why should Yi come back and get his job handed to him? Without Yi I see intense defense that he cannot keep up with. Hassel has to play decent minutes as his post up is the only post up we have except Brook. Boone has played real well. Najera brings energy and Sean shakes it up. What exactly did Yi bring? His 18 foot jumpers and matador d does not cut it. Yes, Dave D, I’d take a combo of Boone, Sean, Eddie and Yi in that order and depending on match ups. But Yi must be off the bench.
And yes, Frank is a damn good coach.
November 17th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
@TheMann
Mike Woodson, with much worse seasons than that
Doc Rivers, before having three hall-of-famers fall into his lap
Sam Mitchell lasted 4 seasons.
November 17th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
@ joe – Here is what our starting lineup should look like for the rest of this season:
PG – Devin Harris
SG – Courtney Lee
SF – Terrence Williams
PF – Trenton Hassell
C – Brook Lopez
November 17th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
People have been giving Frank a get out of jail free card for the last 5 years
The guy has his good moments but he’s a mediocre coach. Deal with it. I hope you guys won’t shed tears when the Big Prok fires him
November 18th, 2009 at 12:53 am
@pegs
Wrong, Mike Woodsen’s team has gotten BETTER year after year since he took over, not worse. from 2004-2005 thru 2008-2009 the Hawks have gone 13-69, 26-56, 30-52, 37-45, 47-35.
Doc Rivers’ Celtics from 2004-2005 thru 2008-2009 went 45-37, 33-49, 24-58, 66-16, 62-20. He only had 2 bad seasons as Celtics coach.
Sam Mitchell’s Raptors from 2004-2005 thru 2007-2008 went 33-49, 27-55, 47-35, 41-41 in 2008-2009 the team was 8-9 when he was fired. Once again, he had 2 losing seasons and had 2 playoff appearances in his last 2.
Even using your own examples Lawrence Frank should NOT have a job. Mike Woodsen has his team winning more games each year. Sam Mitchell made the playoffs and was still fired the next year. Doc won an NBA title. I never saw Doc as a bad coach, I knew he had a bad team but you could still see what he was expecting from his team and they responded to him. Records dont tell the entire story, but watching teams play does. Frank is a bad head coach period. Probably a great assistant, but bad head coach.
November 18th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
@NetIncmoe
Still trying to defend this horrible coach
“He had his ONLY good days in the NBA with the Nets.”
If certain coaches didn’t try to blackball certain players they don’t like for whatever reason and then pass those biases on to other crazy coaches so they don’t play them either to avoid looking bad for not playing and developing decent players, the Nets wouldn’t be in this PG mess.
Before talking about what MWill is doing, try watching some games.
M.Williams 13:54 2-6 1-3 0-0 +11 0 0 0 4 1 0 1 0 0 5
Oh, I forgot, too busy watching the savior Devon Harris. So how’s that working out?