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Rivers, Jordan Think Frank Deserves a BreakNovember 8, 2009, 6:52 pmRod Thorn isn’t the only one backing Lawrence Frank despite the team’s 0-7 record. The two coaches who beat the Nets this weekend–the Sixers’ Eddie Jordan and the Celtics’ Doc Rivers–praised Frank. Jordan, a former Nets’ assistant, called the team “well-coached” said they put up a “hard battle”. Rivers said simply, “I think Lawrence has done a fantastic job but has nothing to show for it…that’s tough.”  Moral victory for winless Nets in loss to Celtics? - Chris Sheridan - True Hoop Frank: Nets must laugh to keep from crying about season start - Julian Garcia - New York Daily NewsPosted in 76ers; Celtics; Frank, Lawrence; Thorn, Rod | 48 Comments » |
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November 8th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
Frank needs to be fired no voice in the back
Nice guys finish DEAD LAST
November 8th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Those who know, know what good coaching is… He has much less to work with than Jordan and Rivers even when he has 15 healthy bodies. I am happy that they are playing hard and so cohesively. This bodes well for when they wounded return. His team is prepared 1- 15. I predict a very strong second half from this team (unless this real good play is b/c our biggest defensive liability is injured).
November 8th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
Two words: Mike D’Antoni.
November 8th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
d’antoni has a good system, it just doesn’t work with the players on that team. lawrence frank, on the other hand, is just a bad coach. i doubt we’re getting lebron, so we’ll have a young team and you need the right coach to coach a young team. scott brooks is doing it well in okc.
November 8th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Jesus, it’s the same story over and over. It doesn’t hurt other coaches to say stuff like that, especially to keep one team away from being a competitor. Such cheesy stuff!
November 8th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Mike D’Antoni ??????……I’d be all for it…But How ????
November 8th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
D’antoni would be perfect weve got a young group that needs to be encouraged and do what Mike does best… run the basketball and play hard!!
November 8th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
D’Antoni is a horrible coach…that was my point. He sucks. He won 32 games last year and he will win fewer this year. Oh wait, he was good in Phoenix. When he had the horses, he won. When he didn’t, his teams were dreadful. The reverse is true of Rivers, who every Boston fan wanted fired three years ago. Then, they added KG and Allen and suddenly, he’s a genius.
And of course, these two coaches are lying s.o.b’s. Luckily, we have posters here who can read their minds.
Next, we will have to read about how great Sean Williams would have been under ANY coach other than Frank…or that guy in the D-League who asked that he be returned to the Nets…or his college coach who threw him off the team three years in a row.
November 8th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
@netincome
o. i see where your going with this and understand your point. Any ideas about available coaches that the nets could hire?
Perhaps Avery Johnson?
November 8th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Nets effort has impressed me the past couple of games. Obviously, before that the games against Washington and Charlotte were unacceptable. I actually think Frank does a pretty good job with the X’s and O’s. Building a team identity, motiviating under achievers, and having the chutzpah to challenge proven stars have always been areas in which I have found Frank lacking.
November 8th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
I’ve always liked Frank as a coach. I remember going to a Nets game courtside and hearing him predict pretty much every play the other team would run right beforehand. Of course, it didn’t help the knuckleheads on the court, but that’s on the lack of talent or stubborn players, not Frank.
It’s funny how some people are praising D’Antoni and knocking Frank. Makes no sense, as they’re essentially in the same group. I give Frank the edge because at least he has a nice resume with his current team, having taken them to the playoffs a bunch of times. What has D’Antoni ever done for the Knicks. Absolutely nothing. If fact, even though the Knicks have a win (big deal), I think the Nets have played better this season, even with all the starters out. By the way, what is D’Antoni’s system, let everyone shoot the 3 and play no defense?
November 8th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
Two coaches supporting another. Shocking! I thought they were going to say the only thing dumber than Opie’s rotation was some poster on a Nets web site who doesn’t like Swat and had Opie for COY last year.
November 8th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
BTW I noticed Swat’s shooting 75% this year. If you add up Yi’s pct. for his career does it beat it?
November 8th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
I think Frank would probably make an excellent college coach.
November 8th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
ok, so your going to tell me that Docs going to go on air and say Frank sux and is doing a horriable job.
November 8th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
AVERY JOHNSON HES THE 1 that said lebron going to new jersey with a chris bosh or joe johnson so hire him he gets my VOTE now every1 agree with me !
November 8th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
0-7……” FRANK HAPPENS “……0-7
November 8th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
@A.M.
I am not an Antioni lover, but I do not think the argument you brought up represents what it means to be an effective coach at the NBA level. I can predict plays really well myself, but I do not consider myself good at coaching. Frank is a knowledgeable basketball PERSON–this concept is different from that of an effective coach. There needs to be a process of translating what you know to on-court performance. An army general is not someone who lectures all the right things. One is a general because he has the ability to translate the right things into actions. It does not do players any good with a coaching yelling all the plays on the sideline. From listening, deciphering, to acting, it’s already a delayed reaction. I study martial art, and it doesn’t do me any good if my master yells out all his predictions on the side when I’m sparring. A good master trains his students in perceiving those things and reacting accordingly. Frank’s approach reflects that he is a perceptive guy himself, but as a coach there HAS to be an ability to effectively train your players. It’s been many years now, and we’ve seen that it wasn’t a particular group of players that did not listen to Frank like they’re some rebellious kids. NO NO NO! We have had players who were perfectly fine before the Nets, or are now doing perfectly fine with another coach. It seems to me that the issue is only reducible to one invariant.
November 9th, 2009 at 12:48 am
Still don’t fully agree Croc, but I appreciate your well reasoned argument.
November 9th, 2009 at 12:51 am
No one gets it. Coaches are only as good as the talent then have! D’Antoni won in phoenix having Steve Nash and Amare and now he’s losing in New York having no one. Doc Rivers went from losing 18 straight games to winning a championship in a span of 16 months. It’s 90% players and 10% coaching. So you could get Jesus to coach this team, but it would only add a few more wins in the big picture, it’s not gonna turn us into a championship contender
November 9th, 2009 at 12:58 am
And Avery Johnson for our coach is the dumbest idea in the history of this site. Isn’t Avery the one that wouldn’t play Devin a lot? And was really controlling on every single play? Yeah good luck getting Devin to buy into him again.
November 9th, 2009 at 1:29 am
I love the logic that proper coaching means nothing
Talent means a lot yes, but to act like putting a corpse in a cheap suit is the same as having a guy like Jerry Sloan patrolling the sidelines is a bunch of nonsense.
But whatever. L. Frank is a great coach. that’s why Prok is going to clean house
November 9th, 2009 at 1:32 am
“muwu Says:
November 9th, 2009 at 12:58 am
And Avery Johnson for our coach is the dumbest idea in the history of this site. Isn’t Avery the one that wouldn’t play Devin a lot? And was really controlling on every single play?”
While letting him off of a tight leash has allowed Devin Harris to become a legitimate scorer at the expense of every other aspect of the game, it doesn’t take much to see why Avery was so hard on him. No defense, looks for his own shot before others, seems to be more concerned with individual accolades instead of team success….there is a reason why Lawrence Frank rightfully benched him against Boston last year.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:46 am
Coaches do largely mean nothing except for the truly great ones. Phil Jackson, Popovich, Sloan, Rick Adleman are probably the only current coaches who could make a difference wherever they go.
Can you say the same for anyone else? Everyone’s perception of coaches changes when they win. Mike Brown is suddenly an awesome coach even if his playbook consists solely of “give lebron the ball and stay away”
November 9th, 2009 at 3:35 am
Getting Avery is probably the best idea i’ve heard so far… and maybe, once we sign him, he will give us a favor by suggesting to Thorn to get rid of Devin and trade him before he breaks his two knees… that boy is another Grant hill waiting to happen, only without the superstar potential on his early days and the comeback. Devin is very fragile!!
I would like to have a pass first PG who can also score… for the people who knows this kid, is John Wall a pass first PG?!
Frank is a very knowledgeable coach and whatever CROC said about is right but dont you guys want a better coach? Dont we suppose to dream for the best coach or have the best managment esp. when there’s a chance for us to get better? And im not just talking about grabbing the best players but im also talking about having the best team in general.
November 9th, 2009 at 6:53 am
Frank is an excellent coach. Rivers and Jordan know that if they had the Nets, they’d be doing the same or worse. Jordan was a “bad” coach with all his injuries. Rivers was a “bad” coach before KG and Allen. Boy great players and a well balanced team makes a coach good. Pretty simple. The coach has his team prepared and hungry. What more do we want?
November 9th, 2009 at 8:17 am
I assume that Lawrence Frank will be the coach until the ownership situation is resolved. There’s no real point in firing him now (and personally, I don’t think he deserves it). I then presume that Prokhorov (if he wins the battle to own the team) will try to hire his European Coach Ettore Messina, as has been hinted at, I believe, in some very informative Net Income posts.
The Nets could have a real international flavor, which could be a lot of fun, especially if wins also result.
If we can’t get Messina and Frank goes, my personal choice would be Mike Fratello if he wants to come back. but others may have better ideas. I would also be interested in either Van Gundy. We need someone with a high IQ.
November 9th, 2009 at 9:41 am
If we upgrade our talent in the offseason considerably I also advocate going for Van Gundy.
November 9th, 2009 at 9:56 am
I could care less about Frank. He’s gone after this season. He hasn’t been given championship material, but he hasn’t done anything special to be here for 7 years. He has never been able to give this team an identity, no matter who the players were.
November 9th, 2009 at 10:22 am
D’antoni may have only won 32 games in NY last year, but at least they looked like a team and you can tell what they are doing. THAT’s what makes Knicks fans support D’antoni. You can at least see where the team is headed and what they want to do. The Nets just look lost in translation most nights and have never had a clear direction under Frank. Of course Jordan and Rivers want Frank to catch a break, that’s about 4 more wins for them every season because they know what to expect when they play against the Nets. Even without winning games, Frank could make a case for himself much like D’antoni is doing in NY, instead Frank looks worse and worse each year. It’s just more of the same and we’re supposed to accept it just because he’s here? I think not. You may not have the pieces to contend for the playoffs or a championship, but you can at least give the team an identity. D’antoni’s system may be shoot first and run, but at least his team always knows that’s what they’re supposed to do and they execute the game plan. Frank’s never been able to get even that much accomplished in 5-6 years.
November 9th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Actually Avery (on ESPN) said the politically correct thing that Lebron should return to Cleveland, but that if he didn’t, the NETs would be at top of list (pending Prokhorov and Brooklyn).
Perhaps Avery is trying to get Nets management’s attention for a possible position.
Maybe Avery would learn from his mistakes, in his 2nd coaching position. Joe Giradi is a perfect example of a coach who didn’t repeat his mistakes – ie. upsetting management.
I think Avery respects DH and just might be what Devin needs at this time (DH has become too undisciplined under Frank). AJ would get the respect of the players and keep them focused. I could see BLopez saying “you tell them coach”.
However, would Avery say to Proky, “let me coach this team Mikhail, and you can count your Rubles!”?
November 9th, 2009 at 11:06 am
D’antoni on the Nets?! Boy you guys really think you know basketball huh?
His whole system relies on the 3 ball, which is why he drafted Galinari. He has, Nate, Chandler, Harrington, Duhon…etc, all who shoot the 3. We have noooo one who can shoot the 3 really. Hayes and Keyon are the only ones I would trust.
Get real.
November 9th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Even with the injuries to the Wizards I dont remember anyone thinking Jordan was a bad coach. Rivers took a lot of flack from people, but I never really thought he was bad either. Frank is just a bad coach period, no matter who the personnel is. He knows basketball plays, he just doesnt know how to coach his players and get them to execute. If coaches didnt matter in the NBA then why do they make millions of dollars? Why dont the owners/GMs just coach since it doesnt matter? Coaches matter, the only one that doesnt is L. Frank.
November 9th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
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November 9th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
A loss is a loss unfortunately. There is no moral victory in the NBA. Frank on the surface seems to be a good coach but if you think deeper I don’t think he can motivate these pros and thus he has to go unless the Nets are still on the money saving mode. But they will lose more if this losing streak keeps going on and I think it will. The attendance will be worse. So the Nets should cut their losss. I am s strong advocate for Bill Lambeer if he is available. The Nets needs some toughness and some degree of nastiness. Lambeer has all the credential the Nets neeed.
November 9th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Frank has a horrible team here. I would rather Frank then half the other coaches in the NBA. Mike Brown, Larry Brown, Nate Mcmillan, Jay Triano, Del Degro, Jim O’Brien, Mike Woodson, Kurt Rambis, Scott Brooks, And the 2 worst, Dunleavy and Don Nelson.
Sure he Frank isn’t up there with Jackson and Pop, but the Nets don’t deserve an elite coach… yet.
Every team has fans that hate the coach, literally every team. Its annoying simply because you who complain have absolutely no influence on the matter, and its just plain old annoying to hear ovvvver and oveerrrrr. Get past it so you can sleep at night!
November 9th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
I dont know if people can compare Rivers to Frank.
Where I give rivers credit is his job with the Magic. He had a crappy team. That team was garbage. Worse then any team Frank has had. Their leading scorer was Armstrong (16pts). That team was one game from making the playoffs. That was coaching. He got a Coach of the Year for that.
As for D’antoni, though IMO he is better then Frank, i dont want a coach that doesnt believe in defense.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
@ tim – You would rather have Frank then larry brown. OK, buddy!!!!!
November 9th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
How did having 5 coaches in 7 years help the Knicks?
November 9th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Frank is nice guy, but doesn’t quite measure up. Says “NBA is getting smaller” and his answer to every issue is to play small. Anyone coach who so misses it in terms of philosphy and understanding of the NBA game is never going to get Nets to next level. If Nets got LeBron he would play 4 90% of time and Frank would end up complaining team did not rebound or protect paint. Just look at what having a legit 4 man in Boone meant for defense and rebounds against Celtics. Not that Boone is Karl Malone at the 4 spot by any stretch but he put on a credible performance. Unfortunately it took 3 years, an unprecedented injury run and the swine flu to get Frank to play Boone at the 4 when it was totally obvious from the beginning that was his proper position. We must assume that Nets will keep Frank for rest of year because they won’t/can’t pay another coach (Unless kiki or one of the assistants on an interim basis ) and as realistic goal now is 2010 #1 pick he might as well stay as he is getting (4 million or so for season(Nets Income?).
November 9th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
D’Antoni is not a lousy coach. The Knicks are going to finish higher in the standings than the Nets. I doubt the Nets will beat them once this year.
D’Antoni is going to wind up with LeBron James on his roster and he’s going to be coaching a contender next year. The Nets however, will be a different team with a new coach and a revamped roster.
Frank’s done.
November 9th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
@joe
Lawrence Frank did have Carter, Kidd, Jefferson, and Krstic.
November 9th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
a Break?????
F a break…give this midget coach of the month!!
November 9th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
i agree, just give Frank a long break, if he has a long vacation, then it would be a great break for him.
November 9th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
He does deserve a break…away from the Nets, close to his family
November 10th, 2009 at 9:14 am
I am italian, and I wanted to tell Tim that Gallinari has never been just a shooter. Here he was known for his leadership (even at a young age) and for his all around skills: in his last year in Italy he took only 4 three point shots per game and canned them at a 40% pace, but at the same time he rebounded (averaging 5.6 per game in 40 minutes games) and showed decent passing skills.
D’Antoni knew Gallinari since Danilo was a kid, since the coach was in the same Milan roster with Bob McAdoo, Hall of Famer Dino Meneghin and… Vittorio Gallinari, Danilo’s father.
November 10th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Gallinari has serious talent, and he handles the ball very VERY well. He’s gonna be one to watch if his back holds up. Anyone that thinks he’s “just a shooter” is dead wrong. The kid flat out has game.
November 10th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Gallinari is a Ryan Anderson wanabe; Oops, forgot, we already traded him for a guy who is one of 4 2guards on the roster. Talk about duplication, Kiki!