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Nets Are Interested but Nothing Doing on “Big Baby” Sign-and-TradeJuly 27, 2009, 2:00 pmWhile not denying Net interest in the Celtics’ Glen “Big Baby” Davis, officials from both teams shot down a rumor Monday that they’re trying to work out a sign – and – trade agreement. Celtic blogs had reported Sunday that Boston and New Jersey were talking about such a deal. In one version, the Celtics wanted Yi Jianlian. Comcast SportsNet New England first reported it as a “done deal” then backed off.  Big Baby To New Jersey? - Jeff Clark - Celtics Blog Celtics Stuff Live - Justin Poulin - Comcast Sports Net - New England Will New Jersey Net Glen Davis? - Tom Halzack - Connecticut Post Yi to the Celtics? Maybe. - Alex - NES 24/7 Random Thoughts on a Couple of Rumors - FLCeltsFan - Loy's Place Big Baby To New Jersey? - Steve Kyler - HoopsWorld Celts, Indy seek third team in Daniels deal - Steve Bulpett & Mark Murphy - Boston Herald Nothing Imminent - Fred Kerber - New York Post Nets BlogPosted in Celtics; Yi, Jianlian | 118 Comments » |
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July 27th, 2009 at 12:33 am
Please do it. Not only would they be getting a somewhat decent young player, but getting rid of Yi in the process too. Win Win.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:33 am
dont think the nets would give up yi yet
July 27th, 2009 at 12:36 am
We hardly knew Yi….
July 27th, 2009 at 12:39 am
Call me crazy, but I’m too intrigued by rumors of Yi adding muscle to give up him now. Sure it doesnt seem possible, but how bad will it hurt if Yi really becomes the next big thing and BOSTON gets to brag about it? Not that this would happen anyway, the organization cares too much about that little old market of 1/5 the world’s population
July 27th, 2009 at 12:48 am
Agreed. Don’t give up on Yi yet and I think that’s incredibly unlikely due to Chinese sponsors lined up for the Brooklyn arena already. I bet Boston wants Najera or Dooling.
Hopefully if this is true (which I hope it is) we don’t give Davis too much.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:51 am
Please do it. This would be a good move.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:56 am
Sean Williams makes more sense since he went to Boston.Yi is not going naywhere he is this teams cash cow. Big Baby could be that moose of the bench. Good move if it happens.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:02 am
A couple of bloggers do not a deal make.
IF this is real, I suspect something like this happened: Thorn calls Ainge, says we are about to give Davis an offer sheet you wont want to match. You can but you wont want to. So let’s avoid the mess and work out a sign and trade. I suspect as well that no deal has been worked out.
Think of the Celtics needs and start with back up point guard. Alston can be traded if its a one for one deal. Dooling makes less money but both would work if the Nets are going to give Davis $4 million or so. The Nets also have a $3.75 million trade exception that could be combined with one of their picks.
Yesterdays report by Kerber that the Nets might “revisit” signing Davis followed up by his report this morning that Davis’ agent believes the Nets have a “sincere interest” give me a sense that this has some truth to it. But I would SHOCKED if Yi is going the other way.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:26 am
I hope the nets get big baby in a deal that doesnt include Yi. I think it would be good for Yi’s careers if he could come off the bench next year. Baby would allow this to happen.
If Yi were coming off the bench he can focus on playing with energy and focus on offensive production. Take the pressure of worrying about foul trouble out of his mind and let him come into games to get shots up and run up and down the floor and be agressive. Make the game simple for him.
Should they trade Yi for Baby, ill be happy because baby is my kinda player, but i would like to see yi stay.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:30 am
Big Baby will come off the bench, not Yi.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:30 am
no way do this trade are you kidding me…mark.my words yi will be an 18 and 8 guy…you saw great signs of him before he got hurt last year…this kid is going to be something,look a yao his first couple of years.the guy was bad.then plossom into a allstar…just keep your faith in yi please…go nets!
July 27th, 2009 at 1:32 am
This is the closest news to Nets making a move since the Carter trade!!
How would it work with matching salaries with Alston for Davis? On Boston site, they say it wouldn’t match.
The thing about Alston, is that he could be a drag for Nets, but playing for Boston, he can be an asset.
If it was Davis for Yi, then I suspect Nets would want other players involved, or else Nets would remain short 1 PF. Davis is a 20 min/game player, or else he would be worn out by end of season.
How about sending Najara for Leon Powe at same time? Powe would be low risk and Boston doesn’t want to wait until February to see if Powe can play?
Originally, I was thinking that Nets were talking seriously to Boston to get Utah to take Nets more seriously over Boozer. I wouldn’t mind have Boozer + Davis(or Powe) at PF, especially if Nets could get rid of Simmons and Najera in the process.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:38 am
I bet you the player is Dooling. Could also be CDR they want in some package. The Nets need to do this deal short of Harris, Lee, Lopez, Yi….anyone else is bait.
It won’t be Yi, too much potential too much money to them right now.
July 27th, 2009 at 2:18 am
I would NOT be happy if the player is Dooling.
July 27th, 2009 at 2:21 am
haha…some celtic fans are dreaming for Brook Lopez…haha in their dreams LOLZ
as for Yi…. i would like to see him stay…. mostly because he’s a good source of income….sponsorships.. something the nets need….they alienated nj fans.. and kinda need their chiense fans
i also feel YI wants to prove ppl wrong this season…. not sure he will… but i feel he wants to
July 27th, 2009 at 2:23 am
yeah it shouldn’t be dooling in this deal. His D and shooting are very valuable.
I say we should part with any combination of Alston, Hassell, Swill, and Boone.
Hayes, Najera, Yi, and Dooling should stay..
July 27th, 2009 at 2:51 am
I don’t think Yormark would let his Chinese advertising draw leave just yet. NETS have too much marketing tied up in YI, and it is also too soon to give up on him. Dooling would be a perfect player for the Celtics, since Starbury no longer has game. Dooling and Sean for Big Baby, I would do in a heartbeat. Dooling and Najera too. Maybe it’s Dooling and Hassells expiring contract? Yi going would be a mistake. Big Baby and Yi at PF rocks, if they both play well. Lots of upside…a good deal, if they can make it.
July 27th, 2009 at 3:00 am
yes get big baby an get rid of yi !
July 27th, 2009 at 3:10 am
the celtics are in need of guards. if any of those going over include cdr,dooling or lee, i will be pissed and done with this team all together. especially if cdr goes over.
July 27th, 2009 at 3:19 am
How about this scenario? They sign Big Baby to an offer for rougly the same as Alston’s expiring contract (i.e., a salary above Baby’s market value) but for only one year, and then send Alston to the Celts. Cost neutral, cap neutral are likely a requirement on our end, and Baby gets a great base for his next contract that may be in a more friendly economy, albeit one with a potentially lower cap. We get a kid-friendly moose to push Yi (for a year anyway) and a marginally more attractive trading deadline asset than Alston or if we don’t trade him Baby’s Bird rights.
I’m really just in denial about giving up Dooling after the year he had, because Dooling’s contract fits better here. But I’ve always liked Big Baby and think he would at least make this team more watchable this season.
July 27th, 2009 at 3:52 am
You guys are crazy if you think the Nets are gonna trade Yi. We shouldnt include Dooling either… no way. Give them Skip or Hassell, if they dont want them forget about a s&t and lets see if the c’s match the Nets’ offer.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:20 am
no way it’s yi. too much $ potential with the china market. it will be probably be dooling or alston. i’m fine with that, we don’t need both.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:23 am
if we’re going to pay the guy 6 or 7 mil won’t we have to send 2 or 3 of these guys?
July 27th, 2009 at 6:03 am
There would be base year compensation issues, meaning the Nets could only take back half of the value of whatever contract the Celts would sign Davis too. (There are ways around that)
NOTHING this morning from any of the beat reporters, most particularly Kerber who has been reporting the last two days on the Nets interest in Davis.
I remain skeptical that this is that real.
July 27th, 2009 at 6:27 am
No! NJNETS please don’t give up on Yi!
July 27th, 2009 at 7:30 am
If the Nets do a sign and trade, I think Dooling would more than likely be involved. For as much as the Nets like Dooling, he has got a 400k buyout of his contract next summer. If the Nets are planning on being active in free agency next summer, they are more than likely intending on buying Dooling out anyway. If possible, the Nets should try and include Najera in the deal. This way, they reduce the cap hit to their 2010 flexibility they would incur by signing Davis to a multi year contract.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:43 am
Lets get real here, shall we?
Najera who missed 54 games hasnt played since February. He is 33 years old and is owed $8 million over three years. There is no way the Celts are going to be interested in that.
I doubt Dooling is the kind of PG the Celts are looking for to back up Rondo. Alston might be. Dooling is also coming off surgery and has yet begun to work out. The guarantee next year is $500,000, not $400,000 and although small, it stays on the salary cap in 2010-11. Since the Celts are way over the luxury tax threshold, that would mean $1 million. No doubt the Celts would ask for cash considerations.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:43 am
no way nets trade cash cow yi.
i see them trading najera or dooling (celts don’t need marbury then) and sean williams ( who went to boston college).
big baby would be the first big off the bench.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:44 am
I think the Nets would be crazy for trading Yi though. I am not against trading Yi for the right player, but Davis is limited. Yi has more natural ability. I don’t think Nets would seriously consider trading Yi for Davis. Its probably just a rumor because Celtics writers/fans know Ainge was very interested in Yi in the draft a few years back. But its not going to happen. SWill might be involved too. With KG barking at him and providing leadership, that could be a place where Williams has value.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:45 am
Including Dooling would be a stupid move. Davis isn’t a better player than Keyon, and Dooling should be ion our plans beyond next summer.
Give them Skip, and if they don’t want him (nor Najera/Hassell) then let’s see if they match the Nets’ offer… if we’re going something Big Baby could be interested in, LOL… I still remain skeptical about it.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:47 am
*if we’re going to offer a contract Big Baby could be interested in…
July 27th, 2009 at 7:56 am
Wow suppot for Yi? I’m impressed. If the Nets are really as high on Yi as they say there’s no way he’s included.
Scalabine, House, Marbury, Mikki Moore, Sam Cassell the Celts sure do like ex-nets.
I love Doolings game. But if he’s who they want I’d do it. We need a bruiser big time..
July 27th, 2009 at 7:56 am
Wow, How great would this be for just Yi! I think this would help Yi, playing behind the greatest PF of our time, with an intensity that would keep Yi on his toes. Also, it’s great for the Big Baby to play beside Brook and be the enforcer we need. Win- win, though I am surprised that they do not want a point guard. And if you think Big Baby is behind Yi in our depth chart, well you are crazy. Big Baby has more of what we need. Unless Yi is the token starter and Big Baby gets the big minutes. What has Yi shown to start? Big Baby showed his stuff in the playoffs. Let’s hope this is real.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:57 am
getting big baby is kinda exciting…quite a bench
dooling, cdr, hayes, big baby, and boone. I like.
I think they would want alston more than anyone or hassell or even battie. Nets are no way parting ways with yi…not this early.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:00 am
i think diogu and big baby are equal in skill…but bigbaby wins in the passion/energy/hardworking category.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:01 am
The nets are in position to trade any of their expiring contracts for a big time PF
I don’t think giving up yi for bbd is worth it
Try one of these
Amare
Bosh
Camby
Boozer
Why go with bbd?
He doesn’t rebound well, no post moves,too short to play PF
July 27th, 2009 at 8:02 am
Davis is a good bench player, a 20-25 minutes per game backup, but that’s it, he’s not as good as some of you think he is. He’s not worth losing Dooling, who is a better player than him.
It wouldn’t be a wise move. We’re rebuilding and Yi is a young player we’re trying to develop. We ain’t trading this kid, he’s Kiki’s project and I doubt he’s giving up on him, deal with it.
If the Celtics want Alston, then OK, go for it.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:04 am
I meant to say trading Yi wouldn’t be a wise move.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:04 am
cuz we’re looking for a good back up for yi, not someone who would take over his starting position.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:12 am
@Andy
I like Diogu… and he would be cheaper… why not sign Ike and then draft a stud like Favors in next year’s draft… we shouldn’t be desperate to get someone like Davis, who would be a nice addition, but he’s not worth losing Dooling… if the Celtics want Alston, then Im all for it, as long as we sign Big Baby to a reasonable contract… and Ill believe Ratner is willing to spend the money to sign Davis when I see it.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:13 am
Net Income Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 1:02 am
IF this is real, I suspect something like this happened: Thorn calls Ainge, says we are about to give Davis an offer sheet you wont want to match. You can but you wont want to.
I suspect Ainge gave a response like this. I DARE YOU!
The Nets aren’t signing anyone to an offer sheet and everyone knows it. If it’s a S&T it’s for Swat. I’d be shocked if it wasn’t and floored if it was for Yi.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:19 am
this is only a rumor…
July 27th, 2009 at 8:28 am
brook plays with no. 11…lee played with no. 11…..davis played with no. 11.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Nice opportunity to get Glen and get rid of swat, hassell, Boone, najera and/or simmons.
keep yi since he is working amazingly hard this summer to give him one last chance.
if they need a PG give them dooling (since he might be cuestionable after mayor surgery and give simmons and a second pick next year to make it a more good looking offer)
we must keep:
Lopez / Battie
Davis / Yi
Twill / Hayes
Lee / CDR
Devin / Alston
All the others are useless inconsistent and/or low producting players.
I ain´t Saying this is a playoff team but at least the nets wont get a new tittle: Worst NBA record held right now by miami or oklahoma.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:42 am
So the latest in this is from some Celtic fan who claims Ainge has told Thorn that Big Baby is his if the Nets provide two of the following three items: Yi Jianlian, Keyon Dooling and the 2010 Mavs pick. Nets are resisting (Duh) and are offering up alternatives. They’ve supposedly countered with Najera and Dooling…no pick, no Yi.
In addition to make the deal work, others would have to be included…lots of players supposedly in the mix. I have no idea who this guy is other than that he runs the “official James Dean website.” Okay, then. That makes it all credible! Even this guy says it’s just discussions. You can follow it all day long on Twitter.
http://twitter.com/MatthewDHume
July 27th, 2009 at 9:08 am
theyre asking for too much…they need to get rid of him..they have kg, wallance, powe. Alston should be enough to get it done…no picks! they are crazy.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:11 am
i would throw in the warriors pick if they take najara but thats it…its big baby… a role player…boston is asking for too much…picks? theyre nuts
July 27th, 2009 at 9:16 am
Ainge is definitely trying to fleece us. Two out of three of Dooling, Yi, and the 2010 Mavs pick, is too much to pay for Davis. Dooling/Najera/2nd round pick or Dooling/Swill or Dooling/Boone.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:16 am
Yeah, as much as I can’t stand watching Yi start, we should hold on to him atleast one more season to see, in fact, if there is any improvement. We should only include Yi if it is for an established all star such as Boozer or Stoudamire. We should offer Hassell and a second round pick. I thought KG loves Hassell. Well he will give them depth coming off the bench behind Pierce. Additionally, there is NO way we include Brook for anything they have. All of their studs are too old to include Brook in a deal. Brook is untouchable for that group.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Unless Ainge backs off his demands, the Nets are much better off just signing Ike Diogu to a smaller contract, cutting SWill to make the necessary roster space, and holding onto their assets.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:24 am
Trade Yi for a free lunch
I don’t want to lose Dooling. Yi and the Mavs pick sounds good to me.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:28 am
We might be better going after Hakim Warrick. Maybe the Celts would go for Najera for the banger to replace Davis/ Hassell and a second round pick. We can then use the trade exception we got from the Carter trade to make the salaries match better. That would shed us salary and another roster spot.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:30 am
“Net Income Says:
IF this is real, I suspect something like this happened: Thorn calls Ainge, says we are about to give Davis an offer sheet you wont want to match. You can but you wont want to.”
LMAO!! yeah, okay. I’m sure the Celtics would be able to match an offer sheet for the league minimum. Please dude.
In all seriousness, I make a deal for Big Baby, but I don’t trade Yi because that’s pointless. We want some depth at PF and I’d be interested to see what we’d have between Yi and Davis. Davis could mess around and beat out Yi for the starting job if Yi picks up where he left off last year. I actually think as a PF Davis is better and has more heart and hustle than Yi. But Yi seems to have worked very hard this offseason, so he deserves one more shot. But he should have some competition at the position and he shouldn’t just be given minutes like he was last year, he should earn them.
I trade them Keyon Dooling, because I like Keyon, and think that a good guy like that should be able to play for a championship, not wallow away here in Ratner’s cesspool, and i highly consider tossing them the Mavs 2010 pick. The Mavs reloaded this offseason, that pick is absolutely worthless so let them have it, our pick will be good enough to land the young player we need in next year’s draft because after that the focus should be using cap space(hah!!!) to add veteran talent to this young core. I would like Boston to maybe toss in a second rounder tho.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:31 am
boston will back off there demands…they’ll settle for alston. they cant really afford to keep davis…they have too many big men.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Well… I’m not too enamored with Glen Davis because he is not a rebounder. He stay around the outside shooting 15ft jumpers. I’ll take him but does that mean we will have him for more than a year? I will do this deal only if Hassell, Najera or Swat is in the deal. Ain’t know way i’m throwing in a 1st rd pick. Danny is out of his mind and forget about Dooling or Yi. Don’t know what Davis can do for us but if he is subtracting payroll for us or adding a little bit then I see the deal alright.
Here’s our chance to get a 2-1 trade.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:47 am
y get rid of a pick nxt years draft is loaded? yi i understand he’s getting better but until i see videos i dnt believe it. big baby is good but not a starter. however if we do trade one of our bench players like sean, najera or hassel then i wouldnt really mind other than that i can take a bad year just once.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:52 am
I agree with Andy. The Nets are in a better bargaining position then Boston. Ainge knows it and so does Thorn. Make them sweat. You will be surprized how many quality players will become available down the road. Unless you think Big Baby is the guy, don’t overpay.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:56 am
I don’t understand why even we discuss this. There is no way Thorn giving up Yi for Big Baby. NO WAY.
Celtic fans are plain stupid.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:58 am
Who cares if we lose Dooling?
We were probably just going to buy him out next season for 2010 cap space.
I’m a huge fan of the guy, but really, he’s not a part of our future, while BBD could be.
I would go as high as:
Dooling
Najera
GS #1
S.Williams
for
BBD
Scalabrine/House
July 27th, 2009 at 10:06 am
“Tony Says:
Celtic fans are plain stupid.”
Read thru the blogs they seem to have a decent grasp on how good Yi is.
They don’t want him.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:10 am
@JackHandy and @Tony
Of course you are both right. Dooling is a nice player and a great teammate, but he just followed up a career year with hip surgery.
AT BEST, what we are seeing here is an inside look at how trade negotiations go down. Both sides make offers that have the kernel of possibility within them and then it’s a tough go to get to yes.
Also, Celts can if they want take on additional contracts. They only have 12 players under contract. Nets have 15 (but at this time last year, they had 17, including Krstic and KVH.)
July 27th, 2009 at 10:10 am
So dooling isn’t part of the future but Scalabrine is?? Come on!
July 27th, 2009 at 10:17 am
@Jack Handy
Dooling is 29, he’s not old, and he should be part of our plans beyond next summer. We need guys like him next to the kids.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:19 am
We as fans want the best players on the court but team management also are looking at the business aspect when it comes to trades. So having Yi who is paid less that 4 mil is a plus for Nets when he is emerging as the new face of Chinese basketball after Yao’s injury. Yormack would resign if they trade Yi now.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Do we actually have Golden States #1 pick 2010?
July 27th, 2009 at 10:28 am
big baby>ike diogu>hakim warrick
big baby brings a little more than ike like passion and attitude. But, i would be happy with diogu. warrick just seems like a better version of sean williams.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:30 am
this is way off topic but what times the china exibition game today? can it be seen through justin.tv or something similar?
July 27th, 2009 at 10:30 am
@Andres,
Keyon is set to make 3.8m in 2010-2011, or 500k if we buy him out. I’m pretty sure the Nets would have just bought him out so they could have 3.3m in additional cap space.
Again, I love the guy, but really need to stick to our guns and free as much cap space as possible for 2010. Getting rid of Najera (esp. Najera) and Dooling would be huge.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:33 am
@mike
i think we have their 1st round pick in 2011 but thats only if its not a lottery pick.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:44 am
yeah…we trade ryan anderson who “duplicated” yi then we send yi out to the celtics…not gonna happen.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:58 am
Check out some of the Boston Blogs… They don’t seem to upset about Davis leaving, especially if they can get Yi in return. Who would of thunk it?
July 27th, 2009 at 11:02 am
Davis must really suck if Boston whats Yi. At least Yi never cried on the bench although he never got hell from KG. KG would be Yi’s worst nightmare.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:09 am
maybe we should be happy we have yi aswell..lol
July 27th, 2009 at 11:09 am
(This is an up to date poll on a Celtic Blog)
If a trade happens, who would you like off their roster?
9% Kenyon Dooling 194 votes, 14% Eduardo Najera 296 votes,
55% Yi Jianlian 1128 votes, 5% other 108 votes,
15% None 306 votes.
Total 2032 votes
July 27th, 2009 at 11:11 am
One mans garbage is another mans gold. Funny how Nets fans are seeing some value in Yi now that the Celtics are interested. All year killing him and almost wanting to cut him with nothing in return. Smart people…lol
July 27th, 2009 at 11:15 am
i dont think anyone changed there opinions of yi because the celtics are showing interest. I think his added muscle is changing some opinions…lol
July 27th, 2009 at 11:19 am
I think both Thorn and Ainge are playing a lot of poker right now.
Thorn probably is threatening to just extend Davis an offer sheet that the Celtics would not want to match. However, in reality, it is doubtful the Nets want to extend that much money to a player without shipping out an equal total of salary commitment. They don’t want to ship out their core base of young talent, but they do want to ship out a salary that will offset what they are going to have to pay Davis. They would love it to be Najera or Hassell, but those guys have no value. They will easily settle for Dooling instead of Yi.
The Celtics have always said they will match any reasonable offer to Davis, but in reality, what they view as a reasonable offer to Davis is different than what the Davis camp would actually be willing to accept. The Celtics like Davis but understand he is a limited player; this is why they already signed Rasheed Wallace to be their first big man off the bench. The Celtics are already over burdened with salary commitments. Rondo is the next bill coming due and its a big bill. They don’t want a long term salary in Davis. Since Davis won’t accept their likely offer of 3 yrs 11 million or so, they are probably hoping for the most realistic scenario of Davis not getting any offer sheets and him playing for the one yr qualifying offer. Even in this case, they would be looking to trade him for long term value. So they open up the trade talks with the Nets and try to fleece the Nets for young cheap talent – i.e. Yi or the first round picks.
Who caves – Thorn or Ainge? In the end I dont see Thorn relinquishing Yi or any first round pick. Next years draft is supposed to be very deep, and for as good as Dallas looks now, they are a Dirk injury away from a lottery pick. Its too risky to trade that pick. Ainge may realize that the Nets will not spend money at all, so all the talk about signing Davis outright is a bluff. They have to ask themselves if Dooling is the payday they want for Davis. I don’t think it is. So, I think this trade is much farther away than its being made out to be.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Yeah!!! Let’s get Big Baby Davis, BUT NOT for Yi Jian Lian!!!
Thorn and Kiki should instead trade one or two of all the guards that we have that will be fighting for playing time.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:27 am
this thread is going to double in comments by the afternoon…lol
July 27th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Trading Yi for Keyon Dooling and Sean Williams makes sense for us, as opposed to trading Yi for Glen. We have Rafer Alston,so honestly that makes Keyon expendable. Rafer is a better defensive player, Keyon is a better offensive player. We are trying to build a defensive team, so keeping Rafer around makes sense, plus he is expiring
July 27th, 2009 at 11:38 am
I have been away for past week or so and have not followed the Nets at all. I suspect if this deal is being done – it would be offering Alston or Dooling for Big Baby in a sign and trade. I could see the Nets going 3 years for 12-15 million. He is a good complement to Yi and to Brook down low. From Boston’s perspective – getting Alston would be a real coup – as there are still rumors of wanting to deal Rondo – and they need a quality back up PG. Alston might be the best 2nd string PG in the league. And Nets are overloaded at the PG. I could even see the Celts wanting Battie if they are losing Davis.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Any deal for Davis, the Nets should get cash included to pay for his XXXXL uniforms
July 27th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Keyon is a better defender, and a better PG… AND he is more versatile.
Big Baby is a lesser, shorter version of Yi. If we traded for a different position that’s one thing, but why trade for the same position? Especially with Yi’s new found muscle.
They reason why Big Baby was starting was because it was either him or Scalibrine!
July 27th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Keyon is a moderately better defender. He is not more versatile. Alston is a better distributor, a much better distributor and Alston ranks in the top 60 all time in career three pointers. He will get his 1000th this season…only 37 short. He has hit more than 100 three’s for the past six seasons, hitting 192 three years ago. He already has 243 more three’s than Kerry Kittles had in his career and has 663 more than Dooling.
Big Baby is not a lesser shorter version of Yi. They are about as opposite as can be imagined at the PF. Yi is the outside shooter who has had a hard time finishing. Davis has no difficulty finishing. Yi has been weak. Davis is the opposite. Yi is more athletic. Neither is a good defender.
It is immaterial why Davis started. What is material is that he averaged 15.8 ppg and 5.6 rpg for the defending NBA champions as they went through two rounds in the playoffs without KG. He’s 23.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
I dont think everyone just suddenly wants to keep Yi, I think it has more to do with Glen Davis not actually being very good. Plus it would be stupid because we’re already thin at PF so a PF for PF swap isnt gonna help us as we would still need a PF and be in the same position with a guy who will prob be even worse than Yi was last year if he comes here. Big Baby benefits a LOT from the guys around him especially KG and Doc Rivers. Having Larry Frank and Devin in your ear doesnt carry the same impact as Doc and his enforcer, KG, especially when you’ve already won a championship and Larry hasnt even been to the conf finals.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Yeah Davis and Yi are the exact opposites. Davis is the big body that we need off the bench at the PF. And he fits into the adding young players to our core.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Skip is a good player, but we’re rebuilding and he’s old and we don’t need him, he’s not gonna start for us and we have a really nice backup in Dooling, who is a leader for the kids, and provides defense and toughness.
Skip will be gone once his contract expires, do you think we would have taken him had he had 2 years left in his contract? he isn’t part of our future, I mean if some of you dont think Dooling is part of our future please explain how Alston could be. Hes 33. Dooling is 29 and can still give us 3-4 good years.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
I am going crazy right now!
Thorn please! Please! Please!
Get Big Baby he averaged 16 in the playoffs with Pierce and Allen and Rondo playing! Imagine what he could do for us
July 27th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
@themann
Please go back and read some posts on how people wanted to trade yi for a bag of chips. According to most posts he had no value after last season. We’d basically take anything for him. Now that the Celts are interested, Yi has some value. And Big Baby would be an upgrade as far as most fans were concerned.. Until the Celts said they WANTED him. It’s like a guy that isn’t showing his girl any love until another guy does… just funny….lol
July 27th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
There is less than a 0% chance of trading Yi for big baby. Aside from being a better player than davis, yi generates a ton of marketing money for the team. I am not sure that they would get rid of yi for Amare or Bosh (that is how bad the decision making from management is). The Boston bloggers are showing that they clearly know nothing about basketball outside of the Celtics by talking about this as it is a serous possibility.
Skip would be the best possibility. If we trade Skip for Big Baby then we essentially traded
VC and Ryan Anderson for Big Baby/ Battie/ and Courtney Lee. It would certainly make the trade more palatable. Plus we have a logjam at the 2 guard positions and need to get rid of either him or Dooling to get mins for Twill and CDR.
I can’t believe that Dave D, Kerber, or Al I have not chimed in yet..
July 27th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
When can we trade any of the players came in VC deal? I don’t think you can trade a player after he is being traded without waiting for certain time period (I guess it is two months or so).
Anyone???
July 27th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Just a thought….how did Yormark’s China trip go? I don’t remember seeing any reports of new deals.
Maybe, just maybe, the Chinese establishment let it be known that they are not happy with Yi’s situation playing for a deteriorating Nets squad that will lose far more often than win with Yi spending more time on the bench than in the game.
Compare that to the prospect of Yi playing behind Garnett, learning from one of the best to ever play the position and possibly winning a championship.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Where is this “ton” of money Yi is providing? It would have to be in sponsorship income…and I doubt we’re talking more than a few million dollars, if that. A few Chinese companies advertise on the revolving signage below the scorers table and Haier has become a sponsor for the Barclays Center. It’s not coming from the sale of merchandise or television rights. That money is shared by all 30 teams. Did Milwaukee make a “ton” of money from Yi? No. The Yi-related income is vastly overrated and it is silly to suggest the Nets wouldnt trade him for Bosh or Stoudemire. Also, there are expenses to go with the Yi operation…small but the two Chinese websites and the hiring of Chinese speaking reps, consultants etc. counts against the revenues.
Yi can make money for his teammates. The joke in Houston is that everyone on the Rockets had a Chinese shoe deal but Yao. Alston is only the second NBA player to have played with Yi and Yao. Their teammates have high visibility in China because so many games are seen on Chinese TV…55 in the case of the Nets last season. The first was Stromile Swift. His great personality prevented him from cashing in. Personality is NOT an issue with Alston.
I find it quite funny that people think Alston is more disposable than Dooling. Dooling is coming off hip surgery. Alston is coming off leading his team to the NBA Finals.
As for making the Carter deal more palatable (a very good choice of words), what could REALLY make it more palatable is finding a use for the $3.75 million trade exception in this deal. The TE (plus the cash) from the Kidd deal permitted the Nets to acquire Dooling for nothing…a late add to the deal.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Just throwin my 2 cents….I would be shocked if Yi is traded by the Nets for Davis. That is very unlikley IMO. At the same time, I would also be shocked if the Celts had any interest in Yi. He wouldn’t play much on that team if they’re healthy, or really at all IMO, I’m mean they are contenders, they can’t roll the dice on someone who may just as easily be phased out of the league as he could also become a contributor. Unless they are getting a contributor back with him.
While I’m not a big beleiver in Yi, trading him for Davis doesn’t really intrigue me even though Davis has seemingly established himslef as a guy who can contribute to winning and he’s young. So I like him as a bench player for what the Nets are building. I’m pretty curious about what Yi will do this year and this year only. If he doesn’t start to become a positive NBA producer, then I would’t look into extending his contract.
I really like Dooling from the intangibles perspective. I know Alston is a good player too. I would be OK with giving Alston more than Dooling personally, although from the Nets $$$ perspective, it may be more advantangeous to give Dooling.
Najera, Swat, Hassel, even Boone, whatever. I kind of like Najera for intangibles as well. I really doubt they’d take Najera anyway.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
trade exceptions can be combined with players right? or can they
July 27th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
I don’t know about the salaries but I think Davis for Swat+GS Pick is fine
July 27th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
I would assume that Thorn wanted to keep Alston as a backup for a few more months, in case Dooling wasn’t fully recovered, or wasn’t going to be the player he was in 2009. Didn’t Dooling have arthritis, which is unusual for someone his age?
Dooling is 4 yrs. younger, however, and although Alston has a longer and better overall 3 pt. career, last year Keyon “came into his own” hitting his record of 99/235 (42%) vs. 32/101 (32%) for Alston. And Dooling is better for the young players.
The real question is – can Dooling leave off where he was last year – and produce for another 3 or more years at that level? Rod Thorn may have to make that guess at this time.
From reading the Boston news, there hopefully could be interest in Najera as an alternative. They also like SWAT – maybe KG can work magic with him. I would bet that SWAT would do better in Boston.
Also, why not throw in the 2010 2nd round pick instead of the Dallas pick (it may only be about 8-10 picks removed, seeing as how bad the Nets will be next year, even with BBD.
Finally, for the most leverage, Thorn should start a serious rumor to be negotiating for an alternative to BBD – hopefully for Boozer or Diogu.
July 27th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
TE can not be combined with players.
And while this is has been a very enlightened discussion of the proposal, ideally, we will dump one of the remaining contract that runs through 2010 (ie Dooling, Najera).
NI is correct that Alston would actually be the onlt pure point on the roster, and while his D may be slightly worse, his experience, leadership and expiring contract make him way better to keep.
Najera would help Boston up front and also give them another hard-working big with a perimeter shot.
Dooling or Najera is on the way out, and they’re haggling over a draft pick right now.
awesome post Chris2.
July 27th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
@NetIncome
“Alston is coming off leading his team to the NBA Finals.”
Did you just say Alston led the Magic to the Finals? LMAO.
PS.: Hahahahahahahahahahahahha!
July 27th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
to be honest i dont care with pg we lose…theyre both good.
July 27th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
If we dont land Big Baby we better be going after Posey!
July 27th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Im not a Big Baby Davis fan like most people seem to be, but if they can unload that Najera contract, Thorn would seriously consider it.
The only thing I would be weary of, is the length of Big Baby’s contract coming back to us. I still think he’s overrated, but seems to be a marginally better player than Najera.
July 27th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Anybody out there see the the movie “Groundhog Day”? Net fans are living it. I can’t wait to get up tomorrow morning and go thru all this speculation over and over and over again…
July 27th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
If we could deal Najera for Davis that would be insane. But I doubt it has any chance of happening. Najera is the worst signing of the Thorn era. Not only was he a non-factor on the court, but his salary is ridiculous.
July 27th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
[i]Tony Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
When can we trade any of the players came in VC deal? I don’t think you can trade a player after he is being traded without waiting for certain time period (I guess it is two months or so).
Anyone???[/i]
They can be traded individually right now. However they can’t be packaged with other players until December I believe.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Najera is nowhwere near the worst signing of the Thorn era. YOu have forgotten Alonzo Mourning, Jeff McInnis, Ron Mercer? McInnis was particularly bad because no one wanted him and the team was stuck with 15 players, ruling out any pick ups until he was dumped. The Nets, for example, wanted to sign James “Flight” White when he was waived, but couldn’t and so he went to the Spurs.
Alston and Battie can be traded now, but only in single player deals, a one for one or a one for a pick deal. They cannot be included in any multiplayer deals until August 25. Of course the Nets could in theory break up multiplayer deals into one on ones, but that would be complicated and might not sit well with the league office.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
@ Ryan243
It would be insane but the trick would be length (and $$$) involved with a Big Baby S&T. I don’t want to see 5 yrs for $32-35M!
Thorn’s worst contract? We wont know until we see what Najera would do for another year. But it would be either be this one or the Mourning deal. But the good thing about Thorn’s “bad” deals, is that he seems to be able to unload them in good trades.
GMs will make bad signings, some more than others. But its how you bounce back from them.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Mourning was definitely the worst signing.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Najera shouldn’t even be in the same category of bad signings.
Any signing can look bad if the player has injuries.
Najera’s last injury (hernia) could have happended to anyone.
I’ll bet if he is healthy, and Boston takes Najera, some Nets fans may regret trading him.
Mourning, McInnis had to do with attitude, not a problem with Najera.
Actually, Nets had the right idea going for Mourning.
However, Nets overestimated the ability of McInnis, Marc Jackson and especially Magloire. Those are the 3 recent pickups that Nets Management can be blamed for, even if they were only for 1 year.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
@Netsfan
The waiting time is 60 days to trade someone after they’ve been obtained in a trade assuming you want to send them out in a package deal.
If they are going to be traded by themselves, you don’t have to wait at all. Witness Quentin Richardson as he’s been traded by himself 3 times in less than a 60 day span.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Signs of a good GM:
MINIMIZING MISTAKES.
Are these Thorns worst signings? Bad one/two yr deals? Other than that, a Mourning 4yr guarenteed deal (which he turned into VC) and a 4yr Najera contract?
We should be thankful.
July 27th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Thorns worst mistake is never being able to obtain a good starting PF. Maybe there is very few of them in reality.
July 27th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
Mourning was done to get JKidd to re-up so you can’t name that as a worst signing. Plus Mourning became VC and JKidd became DH.
Magliore was a bad signing. McInnis was a bad signing. Both were gotten rid of quickly.
Najera is a bad signing as he never fit a place on this team – and with a 4 year deal – and a thin trade mkt for him, we could conceivably have him another year or two.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
If they are thinking of trading Yi, they better do it before the games from China when he will be outplayed, again, by minor talents – all that muscle!!!! wow.
I agree with poster who say trading PF for PF is not good as we are thin there: unless they are thinking of restructuring the whole front line and getting another PF with Big baby….
I disagree with posters who say Yi is better than Davis. Based on what? I have watched far too many games of the disappearing Yi. Davis has a presence this teams needs. Yes off the bench would be ideal, but….. We are not the Celtics.
I agree with posters who say the deal is not going to happen, b/c thorn deals have far less press….
July 27th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
@mike good point Thorn never gets the PF and seems to prefer the outside shooter type, rather than the back to the basket type. This seems to be his biggest weakness. But I think that there are over 30 PF’s better than the ones we have. Celtics have 2, Mav’s have 2, Lakers have 2, Spurs have 2, Utah has 2, etc. etc. etc.
July 28th, 2009 at 1:05 am
only a deranged man would make a yi for davis deal…you know how much endorsement money would go away??? i mean COME ON! PLUS…i wanna give Yi a chance. i have a good feeling about his improvements. haha id rather keep what we have now than do something like this.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Now I get the reason why the Nets didn’t draft DeJuan Blair. I like Big Baby and exactly the player the Nets need. As for which player they could exchange, my feeling it would be Rafer Alston and Sean Williams. Yi is possible but the Nets need him for TV rating in China.
July 28th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Nets fans have beeen in the desert too long. Welcome to the promised land, Yi included…