D-Will an All-Star? We'll Know Soon
by Net Income on Feb 6, 2012 12:52 PM EST
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PrintThe East All-Star reserves will be announced Thursday and Deron Williams, one of two players averaging better than 20 points and eight assists, has to be on the short list.
Then again, his team is 8-17 and he leads the league in turnovers. None of that should be an issues, says Avery Johnson.
"I think under the circumstances, what he's had to deal with on the court, in terms of all of the adversity, the injuries, the way he's played this year, it's definitely an All-Star year," said Johnson. Coaches in each conference vote for the reserves. If a player selected either as a starter or reserve is injured, the commissioner names a replacement.
Williams, if selected, would be the first Net All-Star since 2009 when coaches selected Devin Harris. He was twice a Western Conference All-Star with the Jazz.
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and joe johnson and josh smith are both way better than him
you think the hawks deserve three all stars? he’s a 13 and 5 player.
At the beggining of the season I thought he didn't deserve to make it
Now? I think he deserves to make it
20 and 8 with a bunch of bench players and D-Leaugres ....enough said!
by d2d on Feb 6, 2012 12:59 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Low shooting percentage
High turnovers
Plays for the loser Nets
Abused by Jeremy Lin
Enough said !
Just kidding , but not really. He can still make it though because of the competition in the East and his past accomplishments as a player.
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The coaches would be stupid not to
Imagine Thibadeau puts in Dwil and Dwight at the same time. Fast break and Dwill throws a lob to Dwight with Griffin defending.
SMH!!!!
I doubt he does it though. he doenst want to see that.
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If Morrow is not in the 3 Point Shootout, the NBA is a freaking joke
Do they just not want him to dominate? I don’t get why he wasn’t in it last year, has to be in this year.
by ZR on Feb 6, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Heh.
Of course it’s Avery’s job to support his star player, but I really don’t think Deron Williams deserves to be an All-Star.
I assume he’ll get the nod — and I hope he gets the nod — but there a couple players that should be above him.
Yea I don't think this is DWIlls best year
But who other than Rose in the East should be ahead of him. DWill had a horrible start but has really picked it up
Brandon jennings deserves a big time look. He’s had an excellent year for the bucks
D Will in 2011...BK in 2012....
by O Dog on Feb 6, 2012 1:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Jennings has been winning them games with little help. Jennings would be a big time snub.
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
His stats are clearly better.
As are Kyrie Irving’s and Rajon Rondo’s (although he’s missed quite a number of games).
He talkings about turnovers and shooting percentages and defense
The one thing I will say tho. Is Kyrie is NOT having a better season than Deron. I don’t even look at advanced statistics or any of that stuff. I have watched most of cav games this year because in a huge Kyrie fan. It is redicilous to say he’s having a better year if you watch them both play. Deron clearly does way more for this team than Kyrie does for his. Setting guys up and running our offense Deron is doing those things better than Kyrie and doing it with less talent.
Disagree on two fronts.
First, Kyrie Irving is having a better season than Deron Williams. More consistent, more efficient, more productive and he’s lead his team to a better record.
Second, Williams’ team does not have less talent than Kyrie’s (even with all of the injuries). I could see the argument — although I disagree with it — for how the two talent levels are equal, but to say that Kyrie has more: I don’t see it.
No offense, but we can essentially cease all conversation discussion the performance of players in the NBA if you choose not to “even look at advanced statistics or any of that stuff.”
in this case I dont need advanced statistics because I actually watched the games so I have more than just numbers to compare
IMO Kyrie clearly has more talent around him. I dnt need to explain that just look
At the rosters and games played
In terms of effective evaluation of performance over a sufficient span...
Metrics > (Subjective) observation
let me help you
the coaches vote
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To be successful, apparently Avery's Defense System requires it to be manned by NBA All-Defensive Team.
Do you think most coaches use the metrics we use?
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Feb 6, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
No offense taken but that is simply not true
When you watch the game you dnt need statistics to see who’s doing more for the team. Like when Kidd would toss it to the guy that would then pass it again and Kidd would not get the assist but you know it was all JKidd that made that play. Or how DRose drives to the hoop and missesthe layup and Gibson gets the easy put back (or Noah) on the stats that shows DRose screwed up and it drops his FG percentages but DRose being the focus of all the attention gets the offensive rebound
If we’re talking about one game, sure you’re right — you don’t need statistics to help craft a picture of what a player has contributed. However, if we’re speaking of a sample larger than a few games, you can’t trust your eyes to provide you with a sufficient measure of who has been the more productive player.
In fact, it’s literally impossible for your brain to make the distinction between such an inordinate amount of plays. You can watch two players and probably deduce who the more talented player is; but over the long haul, you won’t be able to definitively determine who the more productive player is. That’s why we need advanced metrics.
I think this whole All Stars needing to be from a “winning” team thing is horrible. Its brought so many UN-entertaining/skilled/good/worthy players to a game they dont belong.
Having said that, the East has a lot of good guards, and Deron is not playing up to his level. Shooting poorly and turning the ball over in key situations.
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
Who else has had
more 30pt 10ast games again?
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The defensive effort against Jeremy Lin probably hurt his case more then anything.
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
coaches vote
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They play Defense
in the AllStar Game. Since When?
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by Keysta101 on Feb 6, 2012 1:37 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I never said Deron wouldnt be the most entertaining…. lets not mix that up!
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
JLin's game is all about driving to the basket
Even Brook could have swatted him away. I dont think the lack if bigs is on Deron.
by cprash on Feb 6, 2012 1:45 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
You would think our stud PG known for D could have bodied the novice a little bit, and kept him in front of him. I mean for goodness sake, play for the drive at least and hope Lin kills you with his jumper… which Lin does NOT have btw.
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
agree on the jumper
Im going to stick with Jlin had fresh legs cuz he gets no burn. Lets see how Deron does tonight at holding Rose down and I might be persuaded otherwise.
by cprash on Feb 6, 2012 1:50 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think a big part of it was probably rooted in disbelief. Like… there is no way this D league call up can do what he is doing. Must be dreaming.
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
Correction
Our stud PG who USED TO BE KNOWN for D…
Deron’s now a liability on defense. Both the available statistics and simple observation of basketball games show that.
he had ONE good game
if he scores 10 tonight, I will be surprised.
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Too bad for Lin the Knicks only feast on Nets 3 times this year.
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To be successful, apparently Avery's Defense System requires it to be manned by NBA All-Defensive Team.
if he's healthy
i see no reason why not
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Correct me if i'm wrong, but when choosing all-star reserves i think they factor in the team record of a player.
With that being said, I think Joe Johnson, Rajon Rondo, and Brandon Jennings have the upper hand when selection time comes. D-Will’s 40% FG and 4.5 TOPG doesn’t help either. Don’t get me wrong though, i’m not a D-Will hater. I would love to see D-Will throwing alley-oops to D12. But we’ll see what happens, whether they choose Good Stats + Bad Team Record or Mediocre Stats + Winning Team Record.
who's "they"?
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
secondly the reserves are chosen by a vote among the head coaches of each squad’s particular conference. Coaches are not allowed to vote for their own players. If a player is injured and cannot participate, the commissioner will select a replacement.
and you really think one freak game
on the fourth game in five nights is going to matter to NBA coaches?
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
The Knicks game? I know that was a freak game, but I haven't mentioned anything about it for NI to reply on my comment like that.
NI seems a bit off today, don’t you think?
David Lee made it in and the guy has never sniffed the playoffs. Kevin Love was in there a year ago too
MarShon the Messiah
I know, the whole "is he on a winning team?" thing is dumb.
If Love Lee (lol) were chosen before, I think D-Will more than deserves to be an All-Star this year too.
The measure of an allstar is how they play when the team is terrible
not when its stacked with talent. I hope the coaches recognize that Deron put this team on his back and the Nets have been competitive in most games this season. i doubt the Nets have more than two wins without him. He deserves it in the worst way
by cprash on Feb 6, 2012 1:27 PM EST via Android app reply actions 1 recs
They take the Bobcats game and Raptors game
maybe
by cprash on Feb 6, 2012 1:46 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
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This is completely backwards. Any “good” player can put up numbers on a bad team. Just look at Stephon Marbury. The mark of a really excellent player – someone who deserves an all star game berth – is a player who plays well on a good team.
The thing is
im not looking at his numbers, im looking at his 4th quarter play, the timely threes and key assists. Frankly his numbers alone don’t merit the all star consideration. He improves this team by quite a bit.
by cprash on Feb 6, 2012 2:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think your comparison is more applicable to Farmar
by cprash on Feb 6, 2012 2:25 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
So you wanna look at Stephon Marbury
He was an allstar with us and had a way worse attitude towards his teammates, sharing or winning with us but he was still the MVP of that allstar game with A.I, and thats your example? .. please dont compare D-Will to Stephon Starbury!
The Hardest thing for some men to do is .... Believe what they see!
My reserves would be
Irving, Jennings, Josh Smith, Bosh, Hibbert with Williams and Pierce as the wildcards.
Philadelphia has been awesome this year but they don’t really have any one player playing like an all-star.
Peirce has been the best of the bunch. Celtics havent started winning until they got PP back, and he has been gold. Kept them winning with Rondo out, which Rondo couldnt do with PP out.
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
all i can say is if kyrie irving can get some attention for all-star
then d-will is def a lock….cavs almost have same record as us and d-will avg r much better then his….the only competition i see for d-will is rondo and irving…but rondo hasnt played that many games…so d-will and irving?
D-Will always had a lack of respect but its OK
He def an allstar thou and the coaches are gonna make this automatic … because who else on the Nets do you have to stop? Who else on the Nets do you fear if your the Bulls,Heat, or Celtics? Sometimes Marrow ? Brooks (who they are seeing for the first time)? ..
The other teams come into every game against the Nets with the first goal and probably the only goal is to stop D-Will and if they succeed at that then who gives a shit who else does something because if you contain D-Will (who is not a prolific scorer & is actually a pass first point guard on a team that has no other double team threat type of player) they will win ….
So if you dont think he is an allstar dont worry these coaches around the NBA know what he does .. we are in a lot of games we shouldnt be in because he is going hard for his team and not crying about his minutes or the rest he isnt getting. He deserves major credit for the few wins we have at this point, not his headband either!
He gives my team cred so Im going to give him some!
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Makes sense
After all, they don’t choose all-stars based on defense or TOPG, or even FG %. They like the pretty stats and the name recognition.
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