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Barclays Chance of Getting Islanders Is "Actually Pretty Good"

B.D. Gallof, who broke news of the Islanders ' preseason appearance at Barclays Center, now reports that sources in the NHL and arena management believe the chances of a Brooklyn move are good.

Barclays is making an "aggressive sales pitch," Gallof wrote for WFAN. In addition he quoted his league source as saying, "the chances of the New York Islanders to Brooklyn are actually pretty good". Gallof says that Islanders would not have to ask the Rangers for permission to move into the city, that agreements signed in 1974 and 1986 permit the Islanders to re-locate to Brooklyn or Queens. The Islanders are stuck with a lease that will keep them at Nassau Coliseum until 2015.

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I didnt hear Dwight mention the Islanders in that list over the summer?

But seriously, any opportunity for the Arena to make revenue is a good one.

by vijay311 on Feb 5, 2012 4:14 AM EST reply actions  

Not anymore. Super Bowl today and D.Will-D.Rose tomorrow in our retro unis. Time to get excited.

by OTRWaldo on Feb 5, 2012 6:51 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I do.....

Jeremy Lin?!?!?!?!? We sure do find creative ways to lose!!!

by bbatts30 on Feb 5, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

true.,..but hey are the islanders

it just puts a bad stamp all over the arena though..
another 2nd tier team trying to cash in on the brooklyn name…

i really don’t see this as a good marketing move at all

by netsball on Feb 5, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if anything came out of that $3000 sightlines research the Nets conducted for hockey.

by OTRWaldo on Feb 5, 2012 6:54 AM EST via Android app reply actions  

Islanders to Bkln is a no brainer

A slightly undersized but magnificent venue with a few bad sight lines beats a decrepit one that has no chance for replacement in the foreseeable future.

Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Dwill, Dwight and MKG

by John at the Jersey Shore on Feb 5, 2012 7:31 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions   1 recs

here

"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.

by Net Income on Feb 5, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Every time I see that picture, I can stare at it for a good minute.

by OTRWaldo on Feb 5, 2012 10:11 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

couple of interesting things

to keep you staring for longer…

It apparently will be a “black box” with the lighting focused on the court. Note the lighting.

The perspective is from an open area, a platform, that extends out from the main entrance. You’ll walk in and see the arena…

You can then walk out into the open area, on the left in this picture, and view the arena

From there, you will get this view…

you can see that open area in the lower left of this picture of the bowl…

"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.

by Net Income on Feb 5, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, and the knicks

New York Giants
*2011 NFC CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS*

by "NetsNation" on Feb 5, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

And in Boston

It’s a pretty neat effect.

by brother_rat on Feb 5, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

For NI:

I love the photos but am hoping you can get this message to others.

All NBA/NHL arenas feature Canadian and American flags. I notice this one will also feature a New York State one. That’s OK but it would be much cooler to the locals if that flag is replaced with a Brooklyn one!

Opulence, I has it.

by J-Sal on Feb 5, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know shoot about hockey

But I’ll root for islenders if they join us

by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 5, 2012 9:00 AM EST reply actions  

agreed of the 'isles'

join forces with the nets i’d support their franchise

don’t know much about hockey though…i heard they were bad

Mets/Jets/Nets/Lakers OFWGKTA. FREE EARL. twitter @ampatel11

KOBE BRYANT IS/WAS/WILL ALWAYS BE BETTER A BETTER BASKETBALL PLAYER THAN STEPHEN GRAHAM.

Adam Morrison got his team multiple championships barely trying, if that's not a great player...I don't know who is.

by YoungMoney24 on Feb 5, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure they have a championship banner to hang

Maybe more than one

Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Dwill, Dwight and MKG

by John at the Jersey Shore on Feb 5, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

wiki tells me they were great in the 80's

but since they haven’t done much

2007-now they have been sub par trying to rebuild?

Mets/Jets/Nets/Lakers OFWGKTA. FREE EARL. twitter @ampatel11

KOBE BRYANT IS/WAS/WILL ALWAYS BE BETTER A BETTER BASKETBALL PLAYER THAN STEPHEN GRAHAM.

Adam Morrison got his team multiple championships barely trying, if that's not a great player...I don't know who is.

by YoungMoney24 on Feb 5, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

they've been bad for at least a decade

their previous GM’s have made Isiah Thomas look like RC Buford if that makes sense to you

The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists

Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential

by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 5, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

there can never be a baseball team that outdoes the yankees in NY

there can never be a hockey team taht outdoes the rangers.
there can never be a team that outdoes the knicks…

football is not in NY so it doesn’t matter

by netsball on Feb 5, 2012 11:34 AM EST reply actions  

really...

The Rangers have won ONE championship in the last 72 years.

The Knicks have won ONE championship in the last 39 years.

The Islanders have never played IN New York City.

The Nets have never played IN New York City.

"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.

by Net Income on Feb 5, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

and the Devils have the best pedigree the last 20 years

(just wanting to throw that shot to NY title futility)

The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists

Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential

by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 5, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

the fact that the knicks have won 1 championship the lsat 39 years and they still are who they are.

its more than jsut wins for new yorkers…its history..and i keep saying this over and over..u can’t buy or compete with that…

by netsball on Feb 5, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

They are who they are...

Because they are the only team in the city. History doesn’t have much to do with it

by Proballxx on Feb 5, 2012 9:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Interesting, and this would be a godsend, but I'm not convinced that 'chances are good'

If anyone’s impervious to an outside “aggressive sales pitch,” it’s Charles Wang. I can’t believe anyone’s bringing up territorial rights, that’s been disproved as a non-issue years ago.

I still don’t think Barclays will become a real long-term player for the Isles until Wang is assured that he has absolutely no chance with Nassau, and (sadly, surprisingly) that’s not settled yet. NC Exec Mangano is taking developers’ bids for new proposals, and most seem to recognize the importance (economic and otherwise) of having the Isles stay. Barclays is the safe, last resort: there’s no reason why Wang can’t use that now as leverage for Nassau, Suffolk, or Queens. If Ratner and Yomarck wants to use that as marketing puffery, that’s great, but I wouldn’t characterize increasing the chances from ‘zero/impossibility’ to ‘some chance if X, Y, and Z happen’ as “good.”

Yes, it’s early, but there still have not yet been any projections as to operating revenue for an Isles move to Barclays. Will Wang lose $20-25 mill/year as he currently does? What revenue streams would Barclays offer—concessions, a cut of other events, etc.? Will/can seating plans be sold that would give Nets/Isles priority ticket purchasing opportunities for the other team? Hard to tell also how the ice would be—generally, the more events in multipurpose arenas, the worse the ice is (MSG’s ice is considered the worst in the league), and Barclays wants 220+ in its first year even without factoring in the Isles. Would there be room for team offices? Could the Isles still maintain their practice facilities in Syosset, which would be 30+ miles away and would be the farthest distance from a practice facility to an arena in the league, and on the LIE/BQE parking lot death trap?

by brother_rat on Feb 5, 2012 11:42 AM EST reply actions  

there isn't a chance in hell

of Nassau County financing or helping to finance a new arena.

The voters turned it down flat back in August. What politician is going to override the voters in a recent election?

The Islanders have TWO assets going for them: the right to play in New York City and the Cablevision deal which will pay them more than they could get in any second rate Canadian city (which would be the only venue that would have them) or Kansas City (which proved it was not interested in them). The Cablevision deal pays them more than the Nets get from YES.

The only way they can realistically retain those assets is to move to Brooklyn. As for the lease, it can always be bought out before 2015. The Nets bought out their lease with the NJSEA.

What the Islanders need is another investor (it won’t be Prokhorov) so they can make the move.

"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.

by Net Income on Feb 5, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I didn’t say anything about public financing in Nassau. Indeed the latest public financing plan was rejected by referendum in August, but private financing plans have been considered before, have been rejected on purely political grounds, and are still actively being courted in Nassau and may come to fruition. I would not take statements from Yormark to the contrary over 10+ years of Wang on the record pledging he’d do everything in his power to keep the Islanders on LI (i.e., in Nassau/Suffolk), Suozzi and Mangano maintaining the goal of keeping the Isles in Nassau as a top priority, and NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman’s reiteration in the last week of a longstanding belief that something will get done to keep the Islanders on LI.

Last week:

"They still have 3 1/2 years to go," NHL commissioner Gary Bettman said recently. "I find it hard to believe that there won’t be a solution to that building situation. Long Island deserves a new building, not just for hockey, but for concerts and family shows and the like. And I’ve got to believe the people in charge of those things will tend to it in due course."

Also, let’s not forget that BD Gallof wrote a column three days ago (!) telling Islanders fans about the Barclays Center: “A New Home? Don’t Believe the Hype, Islanders fans.” And now the chances of a move “are actually pretty good?” I doubt the winds have shifted so drastically in 3 short days.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/02/02/gallof-a-new-home-dont-believe-the-hype-islanders-fans/

Having Nassau borrow $400M in a bond offering is hardly the only means of public financing available (to say nothing that the voted-down deal would have been a good and profitable one for Nassau). It’s been reported that Cuomo’s been engaged to try and utilize NY state funds, by way of some development grants, to see if this can be used in some public/private financing operation. It’s widely known that Wang bought the team as a step towards developing some parcel of the Hub (see the Lighthouse Project, in conjunction with a mega LI developer), and his patience and goodwill has not been (completely) lost on Nassau. Let’s see what this latest round of developer solicitations yield—I don’t think anyone really involved thinks that something absolutely cannot be done in 3.5 years.

The Islanders are more than a cable contract and a license to play in NYC. They have a large and passionate fanbase (if recently dormant) in one the country’s wealthiest areas, where a large hockey consciousness has grown up (largely if not completely due to the Islanders’ efforts and success). They play in an arena that holds great civic importance to Nassau/Suffolk, despite its decrepit state, and Hub development and arena replacement holds more importance than just as a new sports venue. The Isles generate hundreds of millions of direct and secondary economic activity to the Nassau/Suffolk economies that stands to be lost with an Isles move and if the Coliseum is not replaced. There is ample political will to get something done in Nassau: most voted “No” in the 1 August referendum not because they were against public financing at a time when Nassau’s horrendously bankrupt—not because they think the Coliseum’s replacement, not because they were against the Hub’s development, and not because they were against keeping the Islanders. They’re completing a complete rebuild that has given the team one of the deepest young prospect pools in the game and a young core resigned for the next few years. And the Commissioner grew up in Queens as an Islanders fan and understands the team’s importance to the area, which cannot be underestimated.

Right now, Barclays is nothing more than a last resort for the Isles. There’s no reason to rush when the unsettled Hub issues mean that the situation is far from resolved. Yormark wants the Islanders to consider Barclays as a full-time home—which is itself a reversal from a few months ago—and that’s great. If a deal can be structured that would provide for the right sort of financing (rent/concessions/events/etc.), Wang may be interested, but it’s a sale job and not a slam dunk by any means. The questions I brought up in my previous post are large concerns. And there’s absolutely no way Wang will want to get out of his current lease (and public pledge to stay in Nassau til 2015), which was recently renegotiated to give Wang more profits on parking, concessions, and other events.

by brother_rat on Feb 5, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Gallof's article is weak.

If the Rangers had any legal claims on Brooklyn, Dolan or Bettman would have brought this up years ago. Talk of how much the Isles would lose on a lease in Brooklyn (like the Ranger talk) is again more speculation. Finally, pointing to the arena’s location as an “inattentive hockey area” is suspicious coming from a team that plays in Uniondale. I know Dr. J is from the area, not many hockey players however…

Opulence, I has it.

by J-Sal on Feb 5, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Zoning

Unless the zoning is changed no one is going to bid on the hub with an arena as part of their plan unless they get money from the county or state. It has been proven already that Kate Murray’s zoning does not allow for financial success if an arena is part of the development.. If Nassau wants to begin developing the hub without the Islanders the developers of the site will most likely be willing to pay the fee or at least a portion of it. Plus Wang would save face by being able to say the county and town wanted to move on. The same issues of financial stability that you mention about Brooklyn are problems in Nassau. Wang has already lost 250 million dollars at the current site. In Brooklyn he would have new revenue streams open to him and corporate sponsorships he could never receive in Nassau. Brooklyn maybe a last resort, but we have reached that point in my mind unless the state wants to pay for an arena, or Murray expands the zoning, which I see neither happening.

by Danbury Islanders Fan on Feb 6, 2012 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

As an Islander/Knick fan

I would love for this to happen. The reason the Coliseum is never filled is because no one feels like going to the boondocks to see them. This would change everything.

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Feb 5, 2012 11:56 AM EST reply actions  

Im a Nets/Islanders fan

This is perfect

Somebody said "FAIR WARNING"

by nets14 on Feb 5, 2012 12:35 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

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