How To Trade an Unhappy Superstar
by Net Income on Feb 5, 2012 9:00 AM EST
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PrintMemo to all those Magic fans (and executives?) who think they can get equal value for Dwight Howard in a trade: don't bank on it. The history of superstar trades suggest that it's rare that a team gets anything more than good young players, draft picks and cap space (via expiring contracts and trade exceptions) when an unhappy superstar wants out.
There have been a few exceptions but It's rare stars are traded straight up for stars. There's always some extra baggage to balance things and as such trades show, it's often doesn't turn out as good as it looks on paper, at least for one side. Some thought Allen Iverson for Chauncey Billups and Jason Kidd for Stephon Marbury would be win-win's. They weren't. Here's a summary of a dozen superstar trades (plus a Nets-centric deal) over the past eight years...and some analysis of what works and what doesn't.
In reverse order. Draft picks, if exercised, are shown in parentheses. Players marked with an asterisk had expiring deals or an option.
--December 15, 2011: The Los Angeles Clippers acquired Chris Paul plus the Hornets and Grizzlies' second round picks in 2015 from the New Orleans Hornets for Eric Gordon, Chris Kaman*, Al-Farouq Aminu and the Timberwolves' unprotected 2012 first-round pick.
--February 23, 2011: The New Jersey Nets acquired Deron Williams from the Utah Jazz for Devin Harris, Derrick Favors and two first round picks, their own (Enes Kanter) and the Golden State Warriors in 2012, and $3 million in cash.
--February 21, 2011: the Denver Nuggets acquired Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari and Timofey Mozgov, a future first-round pick, the right to swap first rounders in 2016; the Warriors’ 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors’ 2013 second-round pick, and $3 million in cash, all from the Knicks and Kosta Koufos from the Timberwolves
The New York Knicks received Carmelo Anthony, Chauncey Billups, Shelden Williams*, Anthony Carter* and Renaldo Balkman from Denver and Corey Brewer from the Timberwolves…who they then released.
Minnesota got Anthony Randolph, Eddy Curry*, who they then released, and $3 million in cash from New York and the Nuggets’ 2015 second round pick.
--November 3, 2008: The Detroit Pistons acquired Allen Iverson from the Denver Nuggets for Chauncey Billups, Antonio McDyess* and Cheikh Samb*.
--February 18, 2008: The Dallas Mavericks acquired Jason Kidd, Malik Allen*, and Antoine Wright* from the New Jersey Nets for Devin Harris, DeSagana Diop*, Trenton Hassell, Maurice Ager, a signed and traded Keith Van Horn*, two future first round picks (Ryan Anderson and Damion James), and cash considerations believed to be $3 million. The Nets also received a $3.3 million trade exception.
--February 6, 2008: The Phoenix Suns acquired Shaquille O'Neal from the Miami Heat for Shawn Marion* and Marcus Banks.
--February 2, 2008: The Los Angeles Lakers acquired Pau Gasol and a 2010 second round draft pick from the Memphis Grizzlies for Kwame Brown*, Javaris Crittenton, a signed and traded Aaron McKie*, the draft rights to the #48 pick in the 2007 NBA Draft, Marc Gasol, and two future first round picks (Donte Greene and Greivis Vasquez).
--July 31, 2007: The Boston Celtics acquired Kevin Garnett from the Minnesota Timberwolves for Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green*, Al Jefferson, Theo Ratliff*, Sebastian Telfair, the return to Minnesota of the future first round pick (Jonny Flynn) that was initially traded to Boston on January 26, 2006, and a future first round pick from Boston (Nikola Pekovic). Simultaneous with the trade, Kevin Garnett removed his ability to opt out after the 2007-2008 season and then signed a multi-year contract extension with the Boston Celtics which will begin in the 2009-2010 season.
--June 28, 2007: The Boston Celtics acquired Ray Allen and the draft rights to the #35 pick in the 2007 NBA Draft, Glen Davis, from the Seattle Supersonics for Wally Szczerbiak, Delonte West, the draft rights to the #5 pick in the 2007 NBA Draft, Jeff Green, and the better of Boston's own 2008 second round pick and Portland's own 2008 second round pick (Trent Plaisted).
--December 19, 2006: The Denver Nuggets acquired Allen Iverson and Ivan McFarlin* from the Philadelphia 76ers for Andre Miller, Joe Smith*, and two 2007 first round draft picks (Daequan Cook and Petteri Koponen).
-- December 17, 2004: The New Jersey Nets acquired Vince Carter from the Toronto Raptors in exchange for Alonzo Mourning, Aaron Williams, Eric Williams and two first-round draft picks (Joey Graham and Renaldo Balkman).
--July 15, 2004: The New Jersey Nets signed Kenyon Martin to a seven-year, $91 million contract with a $1.5 million signing bonus and a player option after the 6th season, then traded him to Denver for three future first round picks (Joey Graham, Renaldo Balkman and Marcus Williams). The Nets also received a $5.2 million trade exception.
--July 14, 2004: The Los Angeles Lakers traded Shaquille O'Neal to the Miami Heat for Lamar Odom, Caron Butler, Brian Grant*, and a future first round draft pick (Jordan Farmar).
There are a lot of lessons to be learned here. If you look at the draft picks (not the draft rights) included in these deals, very, very few of them turned out well. What does work is cap space and good young players...particularly for small market teams.
The two picks the Lakers received from the Grizzlies were not major players in the team's post-trade success. Donte Greene and Greivis Vasquez aren't even with the team any longer. But Marc Gasol, who Memphis had scouted in Spain, turned into a great asset. More importantly, the cap space the Grizzlies freed up helped them acquire and sign Zach Randolph and sign Rudy Gay.
One of the two picks the Nets acquired in the Jason Kidd deal worked out, Ryan Anderson, but not for them. The other, Damion James, is no longer a Net property either. Devin Harris played well for two years, besting his averages in Dallas and making the All-Star team. The cap space the Nets received has been either frittered away on bad deals like Travis Outlaw and Johan Petro or stashed away on one year deals.
Neither of the picks the Timberwolves got from the Celtics paid off. Jonny Flynn is with the Rockets and Nikola Pekovic, while still in Minnesota, is a journeyman (unless guarded by Johan Petro and Shelden Williams). Al Jefferson, who was the key player in that deal, eventually went to Utah for more cap space.
The two picks the Raptors coveted in the Vince Carter trade turned into Joey Graham and Renaldo Balkman. They could have turned into Danny Granger and Rajon Rondo, but they didn't. Rob Babcock's successor as Raptor GM, Wayne Embry was smart enough to send one of those picks along with Jalen Rose to the Knicks in a salary dump, giving him extra cap space. Isiah Thomas was dumb enough to take Balkman (one place above Rondo).
The deal the Nuggets made for Carmelo Anthony is the classic case and probably the one the Magic should emulate. It was focused on getting good young players..and some cap space and picks, lots of each actually.
Denver received three players who were averaging 15 points a game at the time in Danilo Gallinari (22), Raymond Felton (26), and Wilson Chandler (23), plus a seven-footer with potential, Timofey Mozgov (24). All were either on rookie deals or short-term contracts. Felton became Andre Miller, who is now an expiring contract. The Nuggets will control Chandler's RFA rights when he returns from China, meaning they can re-sign him or trade him. And all the cap space from the deal helped them sign both Nene Hilario and Gallinari to long-term deals. Only the most loyal of Knick fans still think New York won this trade. And the four picks the Nuggets acquired, the Knicks first rounder in 2014, the swap of first first rounders in 2016 and the Warriors two second rounders in 2012 and 2013 have yet to be exercised. Not to mention James Dolan is $6 million poorer.
The Magic would be wise to take an offer of Brook Lopez and one or two younger players from a menu of Marshon Brooks, Anthony Morrow, and Jordan Farmar, plus expiring contracts (of which the Nets have six) so they can unload Hedo Turkoglu, Chris Duhon or both, plus picks. History should tell them they're not going to get much better.
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Negotiation
Nets should try these two options first, in my opinion:
A) Straight up for Dwight: Lopez, Okur, Morrow, Rockets’ pick
B) Taking on Hedo: Lopez, Okur, Morrow, Petro, Farmar, Rockets’ pick
Orlando should say yes. But they won’t. They’ll want our 2012 pick and/or MarShon. They can have one, not both.
MAX offer:
A) Straight up for Dwight: Lopez, Okur, Morrow, 2012 Nets’ pick
A1) Straight up for Dwight: Lopez, Okur, Brooks, 2012 Rockets’ pick
B) Take on Hedo: Lopez, Okur, Morrow, Petro, Farmar, 2012 Nets’ pick
B1) Take on Hedo: Lopez, Okur, Brooks, Petro, Farmar, 2012 Rockets’ pick
I’m hoping Orlando bites at B, leaving us with:
D-Will, Gains
Brooks, Stevenson, Bogans
Turkoglu, Shawne Williams
Humphries, Jordan Williams
Dwight, Shelden Williams
Then perhaps orchestrate a deal in the offseason with Turkoglu?
Anyway, great article! Thanks! I just hope the Nets don’t get absolutely slaughtered Jeremy Lin’d!
D-WIll + D12 = NETS 2012 Champs (with lots of luck)
by corky_romano4life on Feb 5, 2012 9:18 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'm willing to bet that the Magic aren't interested in Morrow
they’re already spending a lot of salary on shooters. It may sound crazy, but maybe Petro will be a better fit for them, since the 6’9" unathletic Big Baby is currently their backup Center.
most important trades left out
ORL trades VC Gortat and Pietrus for JRichardson Hedo and EClark and RLewis for GArenas
These deals sealed Orlandos fate and made all the Dwight to Nets dreams a possibility. These assets should have been used to get Chris Paul or Deron Williams so Dwight stays. As we know Jameer Nelsons pg play is the main reason why Dwight wants to leave Orlando
Some of the worst trades are the ones that never happen.
Thank you Otis
I thought it was gonna be a great move, they shouldve kept Arenas
will never understand why they decided to break up a team that just made it to the NBA Finals, that moment sealed their fate.
It was a gamble
Lewis was slumping and Anderson has proven to be able to fill the stretch PF role at a fraction of the cost
not a superstar in the group
and that’s the point of the article….SUPERSTARS getting traded.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Ouch what
at the point niether vc or agent 0 wouldn’t at leastmake an all star
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 5, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Three things
1— Chris Duhon isn’t on the Nets yet (last section needs to be slightly edited).
2— Chris Paul deal could also be included; he’s a superstar.
3— The best part of this article:
Jonny Flynn is with the Rockets and Nikola Pekovic, while still in Minnesota, is a journeyman (unless guarded by Johan Petro and Shelden Williams).
D-WIll + D12 = NETS 2012 Champs (with lots of luck)
by corky_romano4life on Feb 5, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
good point re Paul
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
not when dealt
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
here's the point
Superstars, real superstars, can influence where they go. Guys with superstar contracts cannot.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Yes. It's Nets or Bust imo
2011-2012 season prediction: 22-44
And I'm fine with that. One of the original leaders of the "Dwight Howard, not Nono Hilario" movement.
and we are dwight are bust
what a perfect pairing
ITS A VVVVVVVVVVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEE
What about Clyde Drexler getting traded mid-season to the Rockets?
2011-2012 season prediction: 22-44
And I'm fine with that. One of the original leaders of the "Dwight Howard, not Nono Hilario" movement.
i tried to limit myself to the modern era
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Gortat
is better than Shaq was when he got traded to the Suns.
Please post something (anything!) in the NetsDaily Forum before it is euthanized!
Just click the "Forums" tab up top there or this link! http://forums.netsdaily.com/
Please do it. It's great for more in-depth discussion and your post won't get lost in the shuffle!
is it me or are all netsdaily articles about dwight and trade stuff starting to sound like getting dwight is a sure thing
excuse my bad english please
It’s not that it’s a sure thing. Just Nets are in a great position to land him either via trade or FA. That and the fact that March 1 is not too far away.
by OTRWaldo on Feb 5, 2012 10:09 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
NI / Netsdaily
Can you explain to me why i was warned on calling out a fan for being pessimistic? I know part of the rules here is to be respectful of others and their posts. But isn’t continuous pessimism disrespectful to being a fan period? I can understand the occasional venting when the Nets lose but to continually point out every negative thing about the Nets brings down the integrity of this site as well as bringing others down with it too. My one post which mocked another poster’s negativity was wrong, but i meant it not to disrespect the person but to point out how ridiculous his comments were being. Anyway. I try to follow the rules 100%. I think the rules should then be carried through for every scenerio as well…and that means all of us being respected. And I don’t think constant pessimism towards the Nets is respectful in a place where fans go to and try to find the best possible things about this team when times are tough.
by Versifiervt on Feb 5, 2012 9:33 AM EST reply actions 8 recs
oh you got to be bipolar llike everyone else
thats the key
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 5, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
"My one post which mocked another poster’s negativity was wrong"
So why are you asking about why you were warned?
If you think someone’s trolling with their negativity, then flag the comment and let us worry about it. When you try to police it yourself, you just make the situation MUCH worse.
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oh dang...meant "my post was wrong at first notice"...but...
…i think my intentions were misinterpreted. And i don’t know who keeps up with how long a member has been here and how often they post negative stuff…if there’s anyone…but I been a member for years and years and though I may get negative at times too…i think the bulk of my posts are trying to be as optimistic as can be.
i'll be sure just to flag it the next time
you’re right, no matter my intentions…it only makes matters worse.
i hear ya
my wife often tells me…although it’s our right to root for a team any which way we want…it’s just a sign of weakness for those certain fans who hate everything about their favorite team and somehow still call themselves fans. In short, if you don’t like what you’re seeing and you’re expecting the worse then DON’T follow that team and don’t bring others down around you.
I tend to skip over all the negative stuff
That cuts down my reading by about 60%-lol. I like to stick to ways of improving the team, trade scenarios, matchups, lineups, commenting on what NI or ND post.
There are a lot of opinions we’re not going to like. Remember, a lot of posters on here are very young or act it. It’s not worth your time to go back and forth on something thatat the end of the day wont affect the way the team plays or the decisions it makes.
That’s just my advise. Bounce the eyes and keep it moving.
It's one warning
dont worry about. Your in no danger of getting banned
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Chill, friend. It takes all kinds.
It’s a basic right of a fan to boo one’s team. Some people need to express how negative they feel. It’s their right and maybe a necessary outlet. If you disagree, fight back with positivity. But you should not question one’s right to be a fan because they don’t share your view. The most effective counter to the negativism (weakly disguised as realism) is to crush your opponents under an avalanche of optimism (which they will call delusional).
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Dwill, Dwight and MKG
by John at the Jersey Shore on Feb 5, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
This Dwight thing will end badly...
…we should keep our guys and build through the draft… Look at what Jeremy Lin did to D-Will last night… we’d be a 500 team right if Lopez didn’t get hurt, and we’d be over 500 if Marshon Brooks did get hurt… This is exactly what the Knicks did, trade their whole tyeam to Denver, for one player…. look at the record of the two teams now.
With Lopez we'd be above .500
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only if
The $ spent on Okur was used for AK. The Nets look good but the SF spot still sux
by DJ HeavyDuty on Feb 5, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
it would have been
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
he didnt want a 1 year deal
they were willing to give him a 1 year 8-12 million dollar contract
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 5, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
This Dwight thing will end badly…
…we should keep our guys and build through the draft
Too late. We’ve gone too far to turn back now. Could have done this had we kept Favors and the 2011 draft pick and built organically. But after acquiring Deron, you can do a cost-benefit analysis and see that going all in on Dwight is the logical next step. I did an analysis in one of KFM’s fan posts a few weeks back and showed that it doesn’t make sense to build through the draft at this point. You could have done that before trading for Deron, but not now.
2011-2012 season prediction: 22-44
And I'm fine with that. One of the original leaders of the "Dwight Howard, not Nono Hilario" movement.
Great points made...
I will root for the nets no matter what. But I really wish we continue to build the right way. I look at a team like denver. No superstars, yet they are playing very good ball. The nets do have something good coming together. I am so worried they are going to deplete this team to get Howard and it will be pointless. Because he and dwill will not be enough to beat deep teams.
I love how people assume we get Dwight and the roster is a finished product
by ZR on Feb 5, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
It will definitely take a couple years of refinement no matter what.
2011-2012 season prediction: 22-44
And I'm fine with that. One of the original leaders of the "Dwight Howard, not Nono Hilario" movement.
No doubt
But a start will be to keep Morrow. Whatever he is worth now, it goes up exponetially when a guy in the post demands double teams…
I also would be willing to bet we’d be getting good discounts on vets seeking the ring…Plus as long as Proky owns this team (which I believe will be less time than we’d all like) they’ll spend whatever they need to. That makes me feel better about mortgaging the future.
This Dwight thing is destructive...
I mean really… It’s more fun to route for a team you build yourself. Boston only had one or two good years…
boston was way older
excuse my bad english please
it's more fun to root for a team that wins.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Feb 5, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions 16 recs
Well, where were you saying this the day after we traded for Deron?
Because that was the time when the strategy of the Nets “building a team themselves” was thrown out the window. In fact, you could even argue the moment Prok agreed to buy the team was when organic construction of the team was thrown out the window, because Prok by all indications has no interest in doing that.
2011-2012 season prediction: 22-44
And I'm fine with that. One of the original leaders of the "Dwight Howard, not Nono Hilario" movement.
I was one saying this the day we traded for dwill...
I didn’t care about losing favors or harris. i hated losing those draft picks…
Did you actually read this post at all???
It’s pretty clear the draft pick route is a crapshoot long-term.
by ZR on Feb 5, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Are you watching the New York Knicks at all?
Blowing up your team to get superstars is a crap shoot as well…
I'm sorry but the Knicks just did it all wrong...the Nets are not going to make that mistake with the way the've positioned themselves
I love Lopez, Hump and Brooks but there is zero guarantee that DWill re-signs if the Nets don’t get Dwight Howard. It’s the move the Nets must and have to make because if they lose DWill, then they’re in an even worse situation moving into Brooklyn.
I love how you talk about blowing up this team. So you enjoy watching an 8-16 team? That’s the team you want going into Brooklyn?
by ZR on Feb 5, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
What do you think is going to happen if we trade every for Howard?
Do you really think he can carry a team offensively? Because he sure as hell has never did it in orlando…
Why do you think the Nets have been loading up on complimentary shooters and scorers
They attempt the most threes in the league.
by ZR on Feb 5, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
I'm also going to assume that since you didn't respond to anything in my post that you realize the mistake in your logic
by ZR on Feb 5, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
No there is no mistake...
You trde away brooks, ammo, along with draft picks and lopez. What are u surrounding howard and dwill with?
Boston use to sit on the 3 point shooters in orlando and defend howard one on one. It worked well. Howard is not a great offensive threat. he is not a great low post scorer. Any basketball expert will tell you that. So how are the nets going to consistantly generate offense against good defensive teams?
You're not the only one who does this...but do you realize the original offer had Gerald Wallace going to the Magic
THIRD TEAM.
You’re also assuming the Nets are going to give up all of those assets, which I doubt will happen. More likely to include another team (look at BK’s trade history).
by ZR on Feb 5, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Your assuming the nets won't give up a lot...
Truth is, neither one of us knows how this is going to go down. However, like i said in a post below, I would be ok with the nets trading for howard if Brooks stays… Offensively the nets would need a player who can create his own shot and generate offense…
Well Otis Smith agreed on the deal, Magic ownership turned it down
So I think that a third team being involved again is the more likely scenario, considering it was going to happen.
Done talking about this.
by ZR on Feb 5, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
You could make an argument that we could be a 16-8 or 15-9 team right now if Lopez were playing
along with missing Marshon the last few games.
Nets have exactly 8 games lost by 10 points or less
Realistically, yes, they could be 15-9 or 16-8. I’m not counting on Lopez’s 20+ points or the win total would be more and that’s not realistic – we’d lose some of those games anyway.
In all fairness
How many of those picks were a top 5 pick? Teams building organically with their own picks have much better positions in the draft then those that trade a star to a team that will be at the top of the heap picking in the mid 20’s and beyond…No?
+1 Then I give you credit for being consistent.
I have immense respect for posters who have an approach or a theory and consistently apply it in their arguments. Thus, if you’ve been consistent with what you’re saying, then kudos to you. :) We can debate your approach, but there’s nothing worse than going back and forth with posters whose foundational thinking on issues shifts with the wind.
2011-2012 season prediction: 22-44
And I'm fine with that. One of the original leaders of the "Dwight Howard, not Nono Hilario" movement.
well, the Nets pick at #25 right now looks better than the Jazz pick at #3
and as noted in this piece, picks are the most overrated parts in any superstar deal.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Depends on who you have making the picks.
King has a track record of finding good players anywhere in the draft.
Happy to see Billy King graduated in an accelerated "how to make a trade" class in just one night :)
How easy is that to do in this era of the NBA?
by OTRWaldo on Feb 5, 2012 11:25 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
No time to be timid.
We’re moving into NYC in 9 months. Its go big or go home. And we can’t go home.
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Dwill, Dwight and MKG
by John at the Jersey Shore on Feb 5, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
if we go home
we should never go outside again
ITS A VVVVVVVVVVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEE
Some trades work.. but.
I’m not sure we get all that much more back in this
one. You lose Hump and Brook, you get Dwight and _____________ ? How many points and rebounds in total do you trade for?You severely underestimate Dwight Howard's impact
I love Brook and Hump, but Howard is the best C of his generation and will be an unstoppable pick and roll force with Deron by his side.
If Jeremy Lin and Chandler could tear apart the Nets on the pick and roll, how do you stop DWill and Dwight?
by ZR on Feb 5, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Truth be told
He wanted a max contract and wasn’t worth it. He was the muscle of that team but he was not a top 10 player in the league…He got his max and didnt earn it.
by NetProfit on Feb 5, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
$92.5 million
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Exactly...
The nets would have been fools to give him that much money
especially with his injury histroy
even though his injuries before Denver were unrelated still a person with as many injuries as him including a broken leg should not get 90+ million dollars in one contract
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 5, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
if you are trading Brook & Hump for Dwight and who knows....
How many points and rebounds to you pick up in total?
Our defense
Will be so much better with dwight so I don’t care as much points and rebounds we give up with Lopez and hump because our defense will be ten times better and guy like Lin and pelkovic won’t kill us
by fabol0us16 on Feb 5, 2012 10:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Kenyon was not nearly as effective with Kidd by his side and the Nets knew it...$$ aside which is absolutely true
He also has terrible knees.
by ZR on Feb 5, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
I Dont know if salaries match but this i what i would offer
Send farmar and 1st to memphis to send oj mayo to orlando
Send brook lopez, okur,3 drafte picks and cash to orlando
So
Orlando gets
Oj mayo(young all star potential guard)
Brook lopez(7 foot all star)
Draft pickws
Cash
Nets get
Dwight howard(best center in the league
Chris duhon
by Pure baller15 on Feb 5, 2012 9:55 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
they will take everyone we got
but i belive we can keep both of our picks in Swag and J Will
lineup is
D Will-Gaines-Duhan
Swag-Bogans
Turk-D Steve
Hump J Will
D12-Sheldon
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 5, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
+1
who’s the one to blame ? i put everything on Ratner!!! him and him only with his save moey for arena idea
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 5, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
he is the reason we went there in a first place not
J Kidd did some work but it was K Mart who brought us there
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 5, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Are you serious?
Martin was more of a reason for the nets success that kidd? The only reason martin made the all star team was because of kidd. And what has martin done since being on denver that would suggest that he is a star in this league?
by aug93 on Feb 5, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i'll give J Kidd his props but
K Mart was the reason why we went to NBAF back to back. I know After his Knee injury he was never same K Mart i cant say anyhing about it
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 5, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
What did kmart do to suggest that he was the main reason for the nets success?
He wasn’t a great scorer. His points came off kidd’s passes. even at his best he never averaged a lot of points. He wasn’t a great rebounder. Good, but not great. He was a good defender. Kidd played with a team that lacked offense. But he made something out of nothing…
gave the nets that defensive edge.
Martin needed Kidd, Kidd needed martin. Was a perfect marriage for the time it lasted
J kidd did not need martin. He made martin...
by aug93 on Feb 5, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah he developed his offensive game
but we saw what happened when K-Mart was gone. And that’s not to say one is better than the other
i think you should watch those games again to doubt what K Mart did
He was as dominant as Griffin right now. hands down he made best out of playing next to J Kidd
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 5, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
and dont get surprised if Clippers will make it to the NBAF this year
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 5, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Kmart
Was our heart and guards who drive on us knew their chances of getting destroyed by Martin in the lane was pretty high. That’s why I loved Kmart and I wish we have someone like that on our team right now
by fabol0us16 on Feb 5, 2012 10:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i'll take Hump and D12 as a replasemant
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 5, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
I still remember
Tim Thomas calling Kmart a fugazy in the playoffs and then Thomas ended up on a stretcher at the garden
by fabol0us16 on Feb 5, 2012 11:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wow
I cannot believe you can post that with a straight face. Without Jason Kidd, Kenyon Martin is a rotational player.
by ZR on Feb 5, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Too Far
in the other direction.
Kidd was a franchise player and a superstar. He’s among the top 4 or 5 pgs of all time.
Martin was a versitile and fearsome defender and athlete who played team basketball and held other players accountable. He was not about stats even though he was very productive.
!s far as trading KMart, it was done for the wrong reasons
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Imo, but I don’t know if they would have continued winning with all the time he wound up missing.
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Take the tin foil off your head
That is the craziest theory I have EVER read on this sight EVER!
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Dwill, Dwight and MKG
by John at the Jersey Shore on Feb 5, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
IMO, we tried three times with that group. We had to shake it up. Granted, we can argue whether the Nets made the right moves, but they had to do something.
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And I'm fine with that. One of the original leaders of the "Dwight Howard, not Nono Hilario" movement.
yeah the fact Uncle Cliff was the best big man in that period
all they needed was like a Gortat or even a Pachulia to get a ring.
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 5, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Kenyon wanted a max deal and he was not a max player...
Just ask the nuggets
by aug93 on Feb 5, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Guys good conversation tonight before the superbowl::
#NASTV today at 3pm. @uuords @chrishooker9 and myself will be joined by @alexkennedynba to talk Dwight/Nets scenarios. Seeya then.
He is the guy that revealed Dwight would not sign with LA.
Might be a dumb question
but what is NASTV???
nets are scorching tv
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What worries me is a dark horse suitor emerging down the stretch and forcing us to beef up whatever trade proposal we have on the table.
The Knicks could get back at us for forcing them to add to their package for Melo. I know everyone’s going to say “He doesn’t want The Knicks. He’ll just opt out and sign with Brooklyn as a FA and we keep all our assets.” but if you’re willing to risk letting Dwight play somewhere like The Garden and possibly become intoxicated by the allure and atmosphere there then you would be a horrible GM.
We did the same thing to the Knicks
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I know, that's why I said they could get back at us.
It’s definitely something they would do and it would be in Orlando’s best interest to collude with them even if the two teams have no intention of actually making a serious trade.
we got hall bunch of expiring who's?
we never put B Lo in Melo trade
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 5, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Dwight has veto power over that sceario.
Just has to say he will not re-sign. Game over.
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Dwill, Dwight and MKG
by John at the Jersey Shore on Feb 5, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Phillies and Cliff Lee, Eagles and Asomugha….Sixers are next
by OTRWaldo on Feb 5, 2012 10:23 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Dwight won't resign with other teams
The Nets don’t need to feel forced if he’s going to be rental.
by ZR on Feb 5, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
you answered it
do they have D Will?
He doesn’t want The Knicks. He’ll just opt out and sign with Brooklyn as a FA and we keep all our assets."
thats the reason NYK will not do the trade just like Lakers
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 5, 2012 10:21 AM EST reply actions
They can easily spread false info to get us to panic and sweeten our deal
IMO The Nets and Proky were 100% out of the Melo sweepstakes when they had that last minute meeting with him, I think they were doing a brilliant, strategic move by scaring The Knicks into offering more. My point is, I am worried that we may find ourselves in the same situation and Billy would have to decide whether to take a huge risk and call their bluff or offer more to get the deal done and over with.
i will lose any player on this team for d 12 unless his name is D Will
We talking about D Haword maybe best player in NBA unless you like LBJ. C’ mon man we will be just fine with most line ups we could have this year.
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 5, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with what you're saying about Dwight but two players won't win us a championship. We need to make sure we get the best deal possible.
If you had a chance to buy one of the best cars in the world, a custom, one of a kind model, would you go to the dealer and just hand him your entire life savings and drive off? That’d be foolish. You have to negotiate with him to bring that pricetag down to where you both walk away feeling like you got the best of that negotiation.
Melo did not say he would not re-sign with us.
That’s why we had leverage. I am pretty sure our FO knows Dwight will not let that happen.
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Dwill, Dwight and MKG
by John at the Jersey Shore on Feb 5, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
The same was said w/ Melo going to NJ
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Just look at all these reports stating that Howard informed the Lakers that he wouldn't re-sign with them
stemming from a conversation Howard had with Kobe with Kobe wanting Howard to be the Lakers’ 3rd option and his Tyson Chandler to the LA’s Kobe and Pau.
A source close to the negotiations says Howard’s representatives warned the Lakers that Howard would opt out of his contract and test the free-agent market next summer — which has the Lakers’ brass understandably nervous
from ESPN
Howard stated that there was “no way” he would give up everything he has in Orlando to go to the Lakers and be the third option, a source close to the situation said. Howard certainly wouldn’t mind being a third piece on a star-studded team, similar to the situations in Miami and Boston. However, he was turned off by Bryant’s presentation as it suggested something totally different.
The feeling is so strong, in fact, that Howard’s representatives have informed the Lakers that Howard would not sign an extension if they trade for him this season
from RealGM
The Lakers have already been informed that Howard won’t sign a long-term deal in Los Angeles, according to sources close to the situation. If the Lakers were to trade for Howard, he would opt out and test free agency.
from HoopsWorld
The Nets’ leverage is growing every day, so this means that we shouldn’t bid against ourselves. The Nets shouldn’t give up all their assets AND take back bad contracts, Hedo doesn’t want to leave Orlando anyway.
Lopez + filler + 4 no1 picks for Howard
We should keep Ammo and Swag, and not take Hedo’s contract, with the Lakers out, there’s no one bidding against us anymore.
its been posted
I believe the Nets have to include a 2nd established young player to get this deal done. I don’t think its the picks outside of this years draft.
by DJ HeavyDuty on Feb 5, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
OR
Third team. Do people forget that Gerald Wallace was in the original deal?
by ZR on Feb 5, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
IMO, I would rather have our 2012 pick than MarShon
I’d be happy to trade MarShon while his value is high, which it is right now — it won’t get higher this season. We can get a better player than MarShon with a top 10 2012 pick. Just imo, and I expect that to be a controversial opinion.
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And I'm fine with that. One of the original leaders of the "Dwight Howard, not Nono Hilario" movement.
well that's a tough one
because MarShon is a tangible asset who has produced for the Nets, whereas these draft picks are just picks at this point. I sincerely hope to retain one of these: Nets’ 2012 1st rounder or MarShon
D-WIll + D12 = NETS 2012 Champs (with lots of luck)
by corky_romano4life on Feb 5, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
I hear what you're saying, no doubt.
I’d just rather hold onto draft picks because they’re more flexible in future roster moves than tangible assets as you put it who have built-in salaries and so forth. Plus, Billy found MarShon at the mid-20s in the draft. Think of what he could do with a top-10 pick in a good draft. And we will have other picks in the 20s in the future with which he can find another MarShon…unless we trade them all away. Please Nooo!
2011-2012 season prediction: 22-44
And I'm fine with that. One of the original leaders of the "Dwight Howard, not Nono Hilario" movement.
forget it, MarShon is a Player and when we trade fr Howard we will make a playoff run for sure,
…. so our lotto pick will not be be that high and so less assurements that we can draft a better player than MarShon.
And Orlando will demand for sure, our 1st round pick this year. If we give them a bunch of picks, they know and we all know this year’s pick will be valuable pick they will get from us.
2012 Lineup: D-Will - Brooks - AK47 - Lopez - D12... Book it!
I agree with you 100% but Orlando can trade him wherever they want. I'm not too worried about LA anymore but if someone traded for Dwight as a rental I'd be very worried about his fickle mind having a change of heart over the course of the season.
If I’m Billy King and I am deep in negotiations with Otis and I receive word that The Knicks have offered a package featuring Stoudemire and Chandler and that Orlando prefers that option over ours, but they’re willing to listen to our final offer in case we wish to add to it, I would be sweating bullets and having an anxiety attack. What would you do in that situation? You gotta be smart
Orlando ain't taking Stat back
Not with him and his uninsured knees being owed more than $80 mil over the next 4 years.
D-Will > Carmela
Yes I know that, although they did call NYK to inquire about them.
My point is, The Knicks are already terrified of watching us take over their turf so they will do anything to stand in our way. They call Otis and collaborate on a fake story to spread around about a possible deal to scare us into making a mistake is entirely plausible. That’s my concern
Yeah but we have an Ace in the hole
His name is D-Will who seem to be in constant communication with Dwight. Add to the fact D-Will had lunch everyday with Billy King and I’m sure some information has been relayed between them. NY ain’t fooling King when he has the inside track.
D-Will > Carmela
Yeah but Dwight isn't the Magic's GM.
He will be completely in the dark about what goes on behind closed doors between Otis and other teams like The Knicks
Orlando cannot trade him whereevr they want
Unless they are willing to take back garbage, and that ain’t happening. No one will rent Dwight if he’s says he doesn’t want to go there. What don’t you understand about that?
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Dwill, Dwight and MKG
by John at the Jersey Shore on Feb 5, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
so if we trade brook lopez and either brooks or Ammo whats our offense going to look like?
20 ps from deron, 20 pts from Howard…and who scores the rest of the points?
One of the two will stay. Don't thimk BK will give up both of them.
Who knows, maybe none.
and if d12 takes it, the other team just needs to foul him, cause he sure can't shoot a ft to save his life
by Prokyswallet on Feb 5, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
okay, maybe it wouldn't
but it would give us the chance, which is 1000000000000x better than losing dwill and SUCKING for the next five years
brooks or ammo
Whichever one we dont trade will be 2nd option after dwight..plus with dwill AND dwight on the floor….players will be open. Players playing nba level ball should knock down open shots or atleast have open lane to basket for layup….unless related to outlol…
by MetsNetsGiants on Feb 5, 2012 10:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We'd still have around 15 ppg from either Brooks or Ammo
whichever one was still here, some points from Hedo, assuming he’s a part of the deal, Hump, assuming they can hold onto him, should get even better looks at the rim w/ Dwight, and Hump’s been scoring well as it is, and whatever Arenas might bring assuming they sign him (which seems to be the plan).
We’d get by offensively, and our defense would be a lot better.
people that are left wide open
when teams double dwight and try to trap Deron
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 5, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
40 pts a night from one of them?
damn
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Here's why I think Howard ends up a Net (if he gets his way)
it is easier for him to win in the Eastern conference in the long term than it is in the West. Why would he want to get traded to the Lakers when he’ll have to face the Clippers, Thunder, Nuggets, Spurs, Blazers, etc. who are all deep teams?
If he were to come to the east, it would be easier to advance farther in the playoffs. The Knicks, Heat, Bulls are basically the only real competition if the Nets were to bring Williams and Howard together.
Plus, I know people have said this, but I think it’s really important. Kobe will be 34 this August. Deron will be 28 in June. That extra 6 years makes a HUGE difference. What will the Lakers really look like in 3 years? Kobe 37 years old, no point guard, etc.
D-WIll + D12 = NETS 2012 Champs (with lots of luck)
by corky_romano4life on Feb 5, 2012 10:31 AM EST reply actions
It's real simple
Lopez,Okur, Morrow, Farmar and 2 first round picks for Dwight.
We dont have to include Brooks. What the discussed trades in this article has told us is that the team trading for the super star has most of the leverage. Considering most have speculated that Dwight wants the Nets over anyone else i think they will be more inclined to take what WE give them rather than risking him walking in free agency. Especially if it comes down to the wire and the trade deadline is within hours. They will have no choice but to take what we give them.
I also think Orlando will be happy with Morrow instead of Brooks because of how well he has been playing. Granted Brooks is the better option, we only offer Morrow.
Dwight, Deron and Morrow = Future
Of course the Nets don't...but people on this board can get a little freaked out
Remember, Gerald Wallace was going to the Magic in the original deal.
BK has pulled off more three or four team deals than almost any other GM in recent history, correct NI/ND? Don’t know the exact number…
by ZR on Feb 5, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Personally
I think another team will be involved, it’s just too hard to guess though. I doubt we trade for Dwight straight up. But my trade proposal above is what i think it should be if we were to trade straight up for him.
That's why I'm not making guesses
I have on idea who the third team will be, but it’s the likely scenario.
by ZR on Feb 5, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
You think The Hornets could get involved?
Eric Gordon did not get an extension correct? Maybe Stern will want to prevent a messy situation down the road and deal him for a couple picks and a young player
I'd rather give up another 1st rounder
and keep Morrow
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That's a steal for the Nets.
And I don’t think it happens. To keep Brooks they need to at least take by Turkey’s contract AND get a third team involved to get them another decent piece w/ potential. Morrow doesn’t fit the bill for that.
Leverage
All negotiations have a winner and a loser. The side with the leverage should win in the end. I believe Dwight is upset with the orlando org and is intentionally giving his next team all the leverage they need.
Lopez, Okur, Farmar and 2 1st’s for Dwight and Duhon.
We have the leverage, now its time to use it.
This is what makes the Lakers great.
Its time for the Brooklyn era to begin.
That won't happen
i’d do it tho, even if u took out Duhon
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Duhon is a liability not an asset
Thats why we get to keep more of our assets because we take a libility off their hands
not true
the best negotiators want both sides to win.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
That's absolutely correct.
I apply that philosophy to my Fantasy Football trades. Every other manager always proposes a deal that is just insulting to the other sides intelligence. They want your best asset but are only willing to give up some scraps that they won’t even miss. I always study a potential trade partner’s roster and try and put myself in their position to see what it is they absolutely need and what they have too much of. This way I can propose a deal that I think helps both teams. It’s because of that method that I always end up completing far more trades than anyone else in the league…and probably why I am the league champion too haha.
Wrong!
This is not a grade school contest where everyone gets a trophy.
This is not an arbitration process.
This is business. It involves money and championships.
It is a zero sum game.
It is just reality. Luckily we have a shrewd GM and owner.
That is why the knicks had to pay so much for melo. We took away their leverage which i beleive was the priary goal of the second bout of melo trade talks.
Yes i understand the differences between fantasy sports and professional sports
The point is that it’s not wise to go into a negotiation with the intent of lowballing the other side and taking advantage of their perceived weakness. You want to approach it with a goal of both sides taking something positive away from the deal. If everyone’s happy then it’s a success.
you have no idea what youre talking about
reality is the best negotiators want a win-win.
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Yes. These GM's have to be able to keep working with eachother and make future trades.
You start developing a rep for trying to undercut the other guy, you limit your number of trade partners, therefore limiting your effectiveness to your team as a GM.
sorry mr. income
I do know what I’m talking about. Agree to disagree. I’ve been in business for many years and know how high level negotiations work. Leverage, timing and momentum is the name of the game.
by Sukka on Feb 5, 2012 1:44 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
BTW - you're being hypocritical
Hypocrisy to state that negotiations should be fair and in the next sentence you wish Dwight would come in FA so we don’t have to give up any assets
by Sukka on Feb 5, 2012 1:48 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Have to agree
Timing with an imposed deadline puts the seller against the wall and in a position where they can’t win but can only hope to get the other side to budge. If no one else is upping the bid like we were with the Knicks last year it becomes even more impossible for both sides to win. This is where billy king pulled off the coup. He wrecked the Knicks talent pool and got us a superstar.
Happy to see Billy King graduated in an accelerated "how to make a trade" class in just one night :)
by Scoot21 on Feb 5, 2012 2:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
A good deal is where both sides are happy
(and they both think they got the better end of the deal)
But seriously, you don’t want screw the other guy over, because it will come back to bite you someday. The proof of this will be seen when the Nets get revenge on Rod Thorn for signing Travis Outlaw.
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Dwill, Dwight and MKG
by John at the Jersey Shore on Feb 5, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
I would be ok with the Howard trade if brooks stays...
The nets will need another player who can create his own shot…
We need to keep Brooks or Morrow (preferably both)
With D12 and D-Will, Morrow becomes absolutely deadly from deep as defenses won’t be able to focus on him as much. Brooks also would get more 1-on-1 matchups and if he improves his passing, he could become a very good facilitator. I also wouldn’t mind keeping Damion James. People say he’s in bust, when in truth he’s just been injuy prone. But you need a guy like him to run the floor, play D, rebound, and just be an overall pain in the rear to the opposing team. He reminds me alot of RJ in his rookie year (who also couldn’t shoot a lick at the time, but has improved immensely). DJ would be a good compliment at the 3 to Howard and Deron.
D-Will > Carmela
I think we need to keep brooks more than morrow...
Morrow is a great 3 point threat. But he is not a player who creates his shot off the dribble. Brooks can do that very well. And he can hit the open 3…
Hopefully we look like this when the trade deadline expires
by breaking20 on Feb 5, 2012 10:45 AM EST reply actions 7 recs
Pssshhh
Hopefully we get this next season
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by netsareboss on Feb 5, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
100% agreed
We can keep hump, but bring him off the bench. Dwight is the best rebounder in the game. He doesn’t need another rebounder next to him. He needs a stretch four that can shoot the open outside shot…
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My thoughts exactly.
I wonder if including Hump and Ryan Anderson in the deal has been seriously considered? I’d hate to see him go though. I’d also hate to see Brook Lopez have his heart broken twice in the same day haha
Or maybe they through justin harper in...
He is getting no playing time in orlando. But he was looking good in europe during the lock out…
i would prefer Humphries off the bench anyway
he would destroy many 2nd team frontlines
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 5, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
They'll be just fine
Hump has shown that he can hit that 15-18 ft consistantly this year. He also does well slicing and cutting for strong finishes. I hate this “stretch four” term. Just my opinion, but I want my POWER forward, in the paint, bruising, pushing, dunking, rebounding and punking opponents with my center. As good as Dwight is, u still want a big next to him that can handle the grind down low. It’s similar to the Deron situation. As good Deron is at handling and creating, you still want a wing that can create.
OUTLAW > BROOK'S SHOE
hopefully before the end of the month
i want him back when we play the Knicks again
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I'm still hoping for Dwight to become a FA
Although i don’t think NetsDaily or myself for that matter, will be able to take the anxiety of waiting on his decision. We will then be able to keep Marshon and Morrow, sign Hump, and Have 2 superstars. Sign a few vets to strengthen our bench, AND have a great pick in this draft. Its the perfect scenario. But trading for Howard GUARANTEES the Nets his services.
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Dwight coming in free agency would put the nets in position to win a ring next year..
1-Howard
2-Dwill
3-Marshon
4-Trade lopez for 2 good role players(i dont think he is quick enought to play the 4 position)
5-lottery pick
6-morrow
7- Hump (off the bench)
i dont undertsand why people suggest trading brook if dwight comes as a fa. loez at the 4 is lethal
by nybluesky718 on Feb 5, 2012 11:02 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
He may not be as quick as you would want him to be
But i don’t think that necessarily makes him a failure at the 4. His wingspan makes up for it a bit.
but if you get past Lopez, you still have Dwight back there. That's a lot of length to get by.
Not to mention they have to be guarded on offense. The other team has to prepare for two 7 footers.
Definitely
He’s a scorer and Dwight’s rebounding abilities makes Lopez’s lack of rebounding a non factor. Really our only hole would be SF but with 2 first rounders in this stacked draft that can be fixed.
think about times when you saw lopez try to guard 4's like amare...
they go right around him easily…
and then they will run right into dwight
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Dwight would guard the fours. It will work.
by power_njerz on Feb 5, 2012 11:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No trade at all!!!!!!
Let Orlando play out the season since Otis thinks Dwight won’t walk. If Dwight wants to come he will do so.
Resign Lopez, let Hump walk unless he wants less money, sign 2 sf’s in the draft, trade petro and farmar.
Eastern conf finals easy….…
Dwill/Gaines
Brooks/morrow
Rookies
Lopez/jwill
Howard/Okur
Don’t know how this works under the cap but I hope and pray it can happen.
We do not trade both brooks and 1st rounders under any circumstances! That’s too much going out leaving us with no way to improve unless we spend more money.
by power_njerz on Feb 5, 2012 11:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions
That's NOT an option.
They are going to trade him. We have to make sure that we are the beneficiaries of that trade
by NuttinBut on Feb 5, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It can work under the cap...
proky would just get hit with luxury tax. But if the team is winning in ny, he is making money. Therefore he would probably pay the tax
Yeah it'd be a dream scenario for us but if we don't trade for him Orlando will find someone who will
We’re talking about Dwight Howard here. We can’t be overly confident and assume he’ll end up with us no matter what. We have to secure him as fast as we can and not take any chances.
I think yall need to worry more about 4's guarding lopez den the other way around..
by netsnation on Feb 5, 2012 11:09 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
If lopez plays with a dominant mentality, then I can see this...
But he would have to come with the mindset to dominate and not settle for jumpers…
I somewhat agree
Lopez would most likely guard the weaker PF/C of any opposing team. Howard would have to guard better of the two.
Then you factor in if Jordan Williams develops more he would come in as PF to guard the quicker PFs when Howard or Lopez get into foul trouble.
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this reminds us of how little of amount SUPERSTAR trades happen
from the article above..i only regard SHAQ to miami, VC to Nets, Deron WIlliams to Nets, CP3 to Clippers, Ray Allen/KG to Bosont, and Carmelo to Knicks worth talking about.
with that said….you can’t really draw a conlcusion with this sample size…
deron williams, CP3 and melo trades are still up for debate….Shaq to miami is also up for grabs because of the impact lamar odom had on the lakers during their champtionship run…..VC to Nets is clearly a Nets victory…but that really is the only clear cut conclusion out of these trades…
I wouldn't even consider Allen/KG as superstars at that time
They were both superstars at one point in their careers but quickly fell off when they got to Boston. They are absolutely capable starters and are stars in the league but far from SUPERstars.
They went to the FINALS twice
won it once.
They will both be Hall of Famers in their first year of eligibility because of what they did in Boston.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
I didn't say they weren't good
They are great. All i’m saying is people think they are superstars because of what they did early in their careers. They both made names for themselves. They are far from the players they were in Minnesota and Seattle. They won those titles as a team. Great team basketball.
huh? they won a title their first year went to the finals 2/3 because KG hurt his knee in 08
before that the farthest Pierce got was the 02 ECF, Ray Allen the 01 ECF, KG the 05 WCF, and all only went one time
they all took sacrifices to play with each other. and they all will take the stat hit just to have that banner hanging up they won together
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 5, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Yes they won titles
But they wouldnt have done it without Pierce and Rondo. It was great team basketball. I think they are great and they used to be superstars, but they arent any more or when they came to Boston.
Jason Kidd won a title last year, does that make him a superstar? lol NO. Kidd was a superstar but hes not any more.
that year
KG – 6th in Win Shares Pierce – 9th Allen – 20th
KG – 4th in PER Pierce – 28th
they were far from finished, they all were suffering from playing on perennially losing teams
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 5, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
The Longer ORL waits
the less they should get and we take.
I am even starting to think we shouldnt include Lopez. Expiring and draft picks.
The only reason DEN got what they did was because Melo wanted his money and Knicks had competition, Nets.
Nets clearly dont have competition. Dwight wants to come here. Lakers and Dallas were added as leverage.
At this point, Brooks and Morrow should not be in trades. Both bring something to the table.
Official member of the "DO NOT TRADE MARSHON "SWAG" BROOKS" Society!
Lets trade okur, petro, farmar, shawne williams for Dwight, and throw in 3 1st rounders, not this years or Houston’s, we got Orlando extremely close, if he goes anywhere else he won’t resign, so any team would not trade for him. Is either Orlando get nothing or something, if this happens, I declare LOL
Lopez obviously has to go
along with other young guys like Farmar. I wonder if they can somehow retain MarShon, knowing Dwight wants the Nets, and only the Nets.
We'll Be Fine.
by JerseysFinest. on Feb 5, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Nets fans getting spoiled
acting like superstars fall of out the sky and land in Nets Land all the time.
Signing Dwight in the offseason isn’t an option. He doesn’t want to make it to the offseason. If he did, he’d have played it like Bosh and Lebron and kept quiet and pretended he was cool with staying. There’s too much noise now. Everyone knows he doesn’t want to be there. He’s going to be traded.
BK might be able to keep Brooks, but he’ll have to get creative w/ a third team. The Magic will not give him up for Lopez, 2 first rounders, Morrow, and filler. They don’t even like Lopez that much, so from a Magic perspective, that’s a slap in the face. Orlando will always have some sort of leverage, b/c he’s still their property, and they know Dwight doesn’t want to make it to free agency.
by CurlyBeast on Feb 5, 2012 11:38 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
Totally agree
There’s also the possibility, as I mentioned before, of Orlando using another team offering a false deal as a ploy to scare us into maximizing our offer so we can get the deal done. If The Knicks were smart they’d be planning this strategy out right now.
oh come on
If Howard says he won’t sign with a team, the team is not going to offer major assets and there is NO WAY the Magic are going to take Stoudemire in a deal.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
This
NI, you have said before, IIRC, that you were skeptical that this could actually work out? Right now, are you confident that we can acquire Howard? I think things are starting to look better day by day.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Feb 5, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
i remain skeptical
and my skepticism relates to the number of variables out there (which are admittedly fewer and fewer) and Dwight Howard’s immaturity.
That is a subtext in what is being reported…particularly by Broussard who said that “Howard’s camp” is pushing him to put pressure on the Magic to move him….and he has thus far resisted. Magic officials tell Schmitz he has been “wishy-washy”.
Prokhorov always said he wants Plans B, C, and D if A fails. Hoping for the best, but it hasn’t happened yet and until it does, I remain skeptical that it will. (However, if it happens on my watch, I have a planned headline which I will not reveal)
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Feb 5, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If their only intentions of leaking the details of a potential trade like that to the media was to force The Nets to gut their roster...
…would Billy King cave or call their bluff?
He would call the bluff
He wouldn’t do it with Melo and i don’t see him doing it now. He knows the ramifications of giving up too much.
BK (like most successful GMs) has connections
He will know if a team is offering a legit deal or not. You can’t BS a trade proposal and think highly paid executives and front offices aren’t going to catch it.
Dwight wants to be traded
So he’s not seen as the bad guy, leaving his first team with nothing in return. What’s odd is that Orlando is treating the entire situation as if they have nothing to worry about and nothing to lose.
Orlando has no leverage in this
It’s pretty much Nets or bust at this point, and Orlando at some point is going to come to the realization they’ll lose him if they don’t trade him because the Nets will have the cap room to sign him outright. And how do you know Dwight doesn’t want to make it to free agency? If anything Orlando doesn’t want him to make it to free agency.
We'll Be Fine.
by JerseysFinest. on Feb 5, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
They already have realized this
The problem is Brook Lopez is injured, among other players who could be included in the trade. If we had a healthy roster i bet this trade would have happened already. I don’t care what anyone says about Orlando not wanting Dwight there for All Star weekend wearing another team’s jersey. Everyone already knows he isn’t going to be a Magic next season.
Anyone else think that if we traded for Dwight midseason, that Ray Allen would come here for the MLE in the offseason?
Think about it from his point of view. You would get to play with an excellent passing point guard in Deron Williams along with the most dominant big man in the game in Dwight Howard. Those two guys are going to demand all kinds of attention which will allow Ray to get a ton of open shots every game. Also, you get to open up a new arena in BKLN and you may get to be apart of something “new.”
by dwill8brooklynbound on Feb 5, 2012 11:45 AM EST reply actions
no
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
because he can still play and earn bigger buckets somewhere else...
but would be a great fit, definitely
2012 Lineup: D-Will - Brooks - AK47 - Lopez - D12... Book it!
I would figure that he would at least consider it.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Feb 5, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Why would we want Ray Allen?
He’s old and far from the player he used to be. We will have Brooks or Morrow which i feel are better starters at this stage in Allen’s career.
It seems like alot of things have been set up since the summer
Dwight talking about multiple players he likes on our team, the chatter between him and DWill, Howard’s visit and reflection on the barclays center, Lopez releasing statements that he wouldn’t mind playing alongside DH.
I think Howard wants to come to the best possible championship team scenario, which is him playing alongside Lopez with DWill as the orchestrator , but is also sensitive to the city of Orlando, thus warning the front office to trade him at the beginning of the season so they can at least get something back (rather him taking the Shaq route), which didnt end up happening.
Remember last summer
when Dwight was visiting Brooklyn we thought it was just coincedence. SMH!!!!
I say since then he was being convinced of the possibilities by his Agent, Dwill, Adidas, and his people.
Official member of the "DO NOT TRADE MARSHON "SWAG" BROOKS" Society!
OT: Any word on when they're going to reveal the new colors and logo?
I know it’s this month but I was hoping we’d have a better idea of what date by now.
I'm getting antsy.
I’m surprised it hasn’t leaked by now. They’ve done a good job keeping this thing under wraps.
someone here posted
within the next 2 weeks
Question:
Beasly is going to be a restricted FA. And if a good size contract is offered, i doubt minny matches. Now I know he is a head case, but he is talented. Should the nets go after him?
I wouldn't mind if Nets tried trading for him now.
They could use some defensive help, and since we have Bogans on the cheap, we should try trading DSteve and some one else or future pick for Beasley now.
i don't see why the wolves would want deshawn stevenson for one season
instead of beasley.
That's if they do not plan on keeping him. He's coming off the bench now..
I would settle for a Stevenson/Webster trade – more realistic
This is the reality
The first trade would have been:
Brook Lopez, Johan Petro, Gerald Wallace and 1 first round pick to Orlando
Dwight, Hedo and Duhon to Nets
41st round picks to Blazers
That deal took place before the season started and quite frankly that would be the best deal that they would get.
Ammo was not included, Marshon was not included and Hump was not included so why should they be included now?
Orlando had their chance to make that deal, but they took a gamble thinking that they could resign Dwight.
Fast Forward to today where it has become pretty inevitable that Dwight is leaving and is forcing his way to the Nets, and maybe will only accept a trade to the Nets. This and the fact that the deadline is nearing removes a lot of leverage from Orlando and gives a lot of leverage to the Nets.
So there is absolutely ZERO reason for the Nets to improve their offer to satisfy Orlando to the Max as their leverage keeps on dwindling down.
4 first rounders to Portland?
For Gerald Wallace? that doesn’t sound right. Orlando would definitely get some picks.
Farmar, not Petro
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
OT
As much as i hate the Knicks i must admit their fan base and media are some of the best. All im hearing everywhere is:
“Jeremy Lin this”
“Lin did that "
“Did you see how he clowned Deron Williams?”
“Should we offer him in a package for Dwight along with Chandler?”
“He is out PG of the future so now Baron D can take his time”
Ugh man i hate having Knicks fan friends…
Marshon VS Iman: Bring the rivalry on my nuiikkkass!!!
i had
to put my iphone on airplane mode to block all the calls and texts i were getting
Knicks loss still stings...
…these are the ones that seem to linger. But not to be overly optimistic…i think it’s clear as day that our team is slowly learning how to be a winner despite all the losses we’ve endured to this point. Our team has heart…first key to being a winner. Think about how we’ve played teams tough with the personnel we currently have. The mentality on the team on most nights seems like, “work our butts off, keep on trying to execute, and just maybe the ball will bounce our way!”. Once the talent level on this team gets better in the near future, the winners mentality will be in place for whoever’s left on the team after trades are made or after we sign players in the off season.
The Knicks on the other hand? They had the right mentality before the Melo trade. Since, it’s let’s get some band aids and home they stick. This may sound crazy, but i do believe as it stands, the Nets have the better organization going forward…from top to bottom.
i agree
it sucks that Lin destroyed us, but we were able to keep a lid on stat and amare, imagine when brook and brooks come back in time for the next matchup, if we play with the same heart and same defense, we will win that game
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Lin was probably the only guy on the court with fresh legs. He's a bench warmer.
Everyone else was gassed from playing big minutes 4 of 5 nights. Let Lin get 30+ minutes 3 nights in a row and see if he doesn’t fall back to earth.
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Dwill, Dwight and MKG
by John at the Jersey Shore on Feb 5, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
"Should we offer him in a package for Dwight along with Chandler?"
Nets Mets Giants All day Every day.
Beware the Lopez
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Watching yesterday's game...
you could blame Deron for maybe two to three plays on defense against Lin. The other times, Lin was either guarded by Farmar or was able to get to the basket/knock down a jump shot with the help of a high pick.
yep our pick and roll d sucks
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I saw a guy at the game yesterday wearing a green Nets jersey. Name on the back? Prokhorov. Jersey number? $
Fire Brian Schottenheimer.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/1000000-Jets-fans-against-Brian-Schottenheimer/104252133024352
very informative
this is probably going down at the deadline, and I really like the Nets’ chances.
We'll Be Fine.
well they said they don't want to rebuild
which means they want proven players..brooks isn;t exactly “proven” according to some people
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not bad..not bad
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because they get AMMO
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and its obvious that eric gordon doesn't want to be there..
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ok ok ok, farmar too
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truth
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Their roster is loaded with jumpshooters.
Morrow isn’t going to be on their list unless his salary is required to facilitate a dump.
Happy to see Billy King graduated in an accelerated "how to make a trade" class in just one night :)
JR Smith
Dayum…knicks and clippers going after him hardbody…is he worth it for us?
I mean just watch this….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdmsNA6yhXY
still not better than blake griffen
Blake griffen is the best dunker of all time
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by Keysta101 on Feb 5, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
if all-time = last 5 years
how fast do we forget about VC..
the man jumped over a 7 footer. Nothing will ever beat that, ever. Ever.
And if it does, it will be from some cyborg—not from Blake Goofy.
too bad blake's wasnt a dunk
maybe im just jealous, but thats not a dunk, Dwills man jam on hibbert was a real dunk
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go to Clippers
that way he can lose the finals in his hometown
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 5, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
OT but who here hates the clippers ONLY because the overhype blake griffen gets
i would love the clippers, but everything he does is taken out of proportion..including that “dunk”…urggg
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well you know the same old story…the media is in love with the clips…theyre a media darling now. But with a couple of right moves that could be us. That comes with a cost though…gasp! Bandwagon jumpers! Id be OK with that though.
yea same
once dwight gets here every highlight we have will be on espn all day
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Espn will actually be worth watching
All they do is hate on the nets. I would love for espn to be forced to talk about them
yeah
i hate when teams start to win and get attention…
LOL of course it's Matt Moore
This guy hates on the Nets all the time..his opinion is worthless though.
by NetsKiNG on Feb 5, 2012 1:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
PG connection...the marbury username made me think of a cool connection between our PGs
Cassell traded for Marbury traded for Kidd traded for Harris trade for Dwill..
Will the line finally be broken?!
Knick fans will tell you
it’d be fair and within CBA limits to trade Lin for D-Will and Nets’ 2012 1st rounder
D-WIll + D12 = NETS 2012 Champs (with lots of luck)
by corky_romano4life on Feb 5, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
ughh…just had my thickbrained knicks ‘fan’ friend send me this text
‘yo0o duhhh knicks are gna get steve nash and phil jaxon gna coach….nets wont get d12..knicks win nba championship 2013!’ bleghhh…. I need new friends.
yikes!
unfriend!
D-WIll + D12 = NETS 2012 Champs (with lots of luck)
by corky_romano4life on Feb 5, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
DuH MeCCAz!!!
We GONz GetZ DuH HoWarD and MeLoz AnD NASh AnD STat!!!
by dwill8brooklynbound on Feb 5, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
your friend
needs an education
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
by BEB on Feb 5, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Has you friend passed any sort of English?
Just wondering…
is anyone watching the boston game?
these announcers are sooooooooooooooo boring
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Which is a better front court?
D12/ MLE PF / Turk
or
D12/ Hump / MLE SF
I don’t see Hump and D12 working well together on offense. But would they be so solid on defense that we could ignore the offensive gaps?
I love Hump
he hustles so hard. My favorite Net. I would hate to see him go.
D-WIll + D12 = NETS 2012 Champs (with lots of luck)
by corky_romano4life on Feb 5, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
d12 and hump would be sick
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And remember
Defense and rebounding wins championships.
D-WIll + D12 = NETS 2012 Champs (with lots of luck)
by corky_romano4life on Feb 5, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
D12 / Hump / Bogs and AK47
Hump is not my preffered and perfect fit next to Dwight, but I prefer that over taking an old Turk with albatross contract. Without Turk we more flexibility to sign other players in free agency.
It’s very hard or impossible to find a decent PF with a MLE, but SF is easier, especially AK that is said here in Europe is ready to sign with the Nets whatever they want.
2012 Lineup: D-Will - Brooks - AK47 - Lopez - D12... Book it!
three team deal
Nets receive: Dwight Howard, Stephen Jackson, Chris Duhon
Bucks receive: Brook Lopez, Jordan Farmar, Hedo Turkoglu
Magic receive: Andrew Bogut, Bojan Bogdanovic, Anthony Morrow
New York Giants
*2011 NFC CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS*
AWW YES STEPHEN JACKSON!
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four team deal
Nets receive: Dwight Howard, Chris Duhon
Lakers receive: Stephen Jackson
Bucks receive: Devin Ebanks, Steve Blake
Magic receive: Brook Lopez, Anthony Morrow
Fire Johnson and hire Van Gundy - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking something when he let Van Gundy slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Feb 5, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
I think I may have just uploaded the most epic video in the history of history
by OTRWaldo on Feb 5, 2012 1:45 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
rec
D-WIll + D12 = NETS 2012 Champs (with lots of luck)
by corky_romano4life on Feb 5, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
That was the greatest second of my life.
by Tylerguy42 on Feb 5, 2012 1:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
done
<img src=“”http://gifsoup.com/view/3389345/deron-and-dwight-fist-bump.html" target="_blank">
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by ncquake24 on Feb 5, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
When you do the preview
note which letters are outside the graphic (you don’t need them), then delete them and do preview again.
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Dwill, Dwight and MKG
by John at the Jersey Shore on Feb 5, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
start watching at 1:52 lol deron cannot act hahaha "I like puppies"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmCVhpTky_k
New York Giants
*2011 NFC CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS*
this is painful to watch
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If Dwight will not resign with lakers...
Do we really need to give up more than the original deal for Dwight that was agreed to by otis and Billy?
We do need to make sure we get Dwight but Fegan is playing hardball.
I think the Knicks are a good lesson and Billy has to hold the line.
If they want brooks…maybe we do the original deal but keep wallace. Deron, Dwight and fegan do not want to gut the nets and does really have all the leverage.
We gotta get this guy to join the loud and proud section
He sure has the energy!
by jonnyplastic@yahoo.com on Feb 5, 2012 1:54 PM EST reply actions
he's a piston fan?
that’s the guy we were complaining about in the GT?
Mets/Jets/Nets/Lakers OFWGKTA. FREE EARL. twitter @ampatel11
KOBE BRYANT IS/WAS/WILL ALWAYS BE BETTER A BETTER BASKETBALL PLAYER THAN STEPHEN GRAHAM.
Adam Morrison got his team multiple championships barely trying, if that's not a great player...I don't know who is.
we have to convert him
whats GT?
by jonnyplastic@yahoo.com on Feb 5, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
game thread
Mets/Jets/Nets/Lakers OFWGKTA. FREE EARL. twitter @ampatel11
KOBE BRYANT IS/WAS/WILL ALWAYS BE BETTER A BETTER BASKETBALL PLAYER THAN STEPHEN GRAHAM.
Adam Morrison got his team multiple championships barely trying, if that's not a great player...I don't know who is.
there was a fan who was near a mic who kept screaming very loud
and everyone was getting annoyed
Mets/Jets/Nets/Lakers OFWGKTA. FREE EARL. twitter @ampatel11
KOBE BRYANT IS/WAS/WILL ALWAYS BE BETTER A BETTER BASKETBALL PLAYER THAN STEPHEN GRAHAM.
Adam Morrison got his team multiple championships barely trying, if that's not a great player...I don't know who is.
Do ya think we can convert him?
he lives in Bayonne…he has Jersey blood
by jonnyplastic@yahoo.com on Feb 5, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Chris with his own youtube series...amazing..
the guy is passionate about the Pistons. he’d never be a Nets fan.
he goes to every detroit game, going back to the izod center
he’s always that loud. except this time he seemed a little too drunk and out of control.
Yeah, he's a trip
You see his other vodeos, super funny
by jonnyplastic@yahoo.com on Feb 5, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Don't care what Orlando demands
we only offer what we feel we can offer, which I hope is Lopez, Okur, Farmer + Houston ’s Pick..worse case scenario for us is 2 first rounders,inc. a top ten, plenty of cap room, and the possibility Howard signs here anyway.
It all depends on Fegan and Dwight making it clear that it is Brooklyn or bust...
Anything less and we will overpay. I do think the odds are very high he becomes a net one way or another. And nets will own nyc as Knicks suck.
id like to see some of this ammo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhcpzLF91n0&feature=related
More MarShon Please
is Kennedy the Magic reporter?
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
by BEB on Feb 5, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
yea i think so
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he just said somehing dumb though but most of it akes a lot of sence.
he said that he thought the magic would keep dwight past the deadline and that that they felt that any deal now that’s there now would there in july which is absoltely not true.
no netsarescorching.com
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Really great interview
Nothing too earth-shattering, but very validating for what we’ve been reading and hearing about the last few weeks.
not for me
i’m not watching. as a Jets fan, I just can’t. I’ll have the house to myself while my wife is at a Super Bowl party. Grilling some steak and watching some movies.
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
by BEB on Feb 5, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Not Nets related
but funny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbIFBDKhW1M&feature=related
Nets Mets Giants All day Every day.
Beware the Lopez
NY Giants Tribute
LOLZ
D-WIll + D12 = NETS 2012 Champs (with lots of luck)
by corky_romano4life on Feb 5, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Oh ok Hump!
D-WIll + D12 = NETS 2012 Champs (with lots of luck)
by corky_romano4life on Feb 5, 2012 3:58 PM EST reply actions
<3 MarShon
Marshon2 Marshon S. Brooks
31-28 Tom Brady is gonna play great, but the Giants come up with the big stop down the stretch…
Nets Mets Giants All day Every day.
Beware the Lopez
NY Giants Tribute
The supposed good ol days
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J_1aM5hr38&feature=g-vrec&context=G2061cdcRVAAAAAAAAAQ
props to Meer for finding this
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What this teaches Dwight Howard is that he should go to the Nets as a free agent and he would win immediately...
Howard/Lopez/MKG/Marshon Brooks/D-Will
+ shooters Morrow/Farmar/Shawne Williams
+ vets who’ll take the minimum to play with the team
+ backup Johan Petro who is always ready!
Jordan Williams could have some value by the end of the season as well
to be included in a potential deal. If he keeps playing like this, he will be a viable piece
The Magic should emulate the Dever deal
But do they have the benefit and leverage of the NY bidding war that the Nuggets had. Probably not. They squeezed so much out of the Knicks it had to go above Walsh’s head and lead to his resignation. I think the better lesson is what the should be who the Nets should not emulate.
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