Kerber: Nets "Heavy Favorites" in Pursuit of Dwight Howard
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PrintThe Dwight Drumbeat continues. Fred Kerber writes that the Nets are the "heavy favorites" to wind up with Dwight Howard, quoting people "claiming knowledge of some of Howard's thinking." The Lakers, Kerber adds, are not that big of a threat. However, adds, expect no movement till after the All-Star break.
"Several persons claiming knowledge of some of Howard’s thinking insist he does not look that favorably upon the Lakers because of the mega-shadow cast by Shaquille O’Neal, who left Orlando and won three titles in Los Angeles," Kerber writes. "Howard could do without following those footsteps. That makes the Nets the heavy favorites among his preferred teams."
Following up on Larry Coon's story, Kerber adds, "Howard and his camp reportedly have warned teams about going the rental route, thinking they could deal for him, then convince him to stay. 'To bring in a player of that magnitude without assurances he’d be staying would be professional suicide,' one team executive said flatly."
- Nets have Dwight stuff to deal for Howard - Fred Kerber - New York Post
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If all this is true, then is there anything stopping the Nets from lowballing the Magic?
It would be awfully nice if you could get Dwight for just Brook, Okur, and the Nets’ 2012 pick.
thats what a lot of peple getting it twisted
Otis and King probebly looking every single way how to make deal right both ways. Lets not forrget that we got a lot of expiriring contracts and nice role players who can get a solid value in return. As for Hedo and Duhan we can keep them till next year and than make a move for a player that can be usefull.
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 3, 2012 5:59 AM EST up reply actions
It's hard to stomach
because next year we would be cap choked. But the off season after next year we would have $15.5 million in expiring contracts in Duhon and Hedo. Considering the more restrictive cap structure will be put in place the Nets could get good value for those contracts.
Still, Brook, MarShon, cap relief, and picks seems like too much to give up at this stage of the game. Look at the Dwill trade. Great for us but we gave up a ton. Favors is showing signs of the dominant player to come and Kanter is a force. They most likely will also get a late lottery pick this year as well from the Golden State pick. That’s a ton of talent to give up for Dwill. Let’s not overpay for Howard too much, just a little. Brook, the two 2012 picks, and cap relief is fair. We need serious depth to compete in this league.
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you said it best
All we have to do is get rid of this
But the off season after next year we would have $15.5 million in expiring contracts in Duhon and Hedo.
and we can get some solid role players to win a chip
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 3, 2012 8:02 AM EST up reply actions
one proposed deal I saw had Petro going back if we were taking Duhon.
That’s good in itself.
I guess.
Petro’s contract will be a valuable asset next year. $3 million expiring contract for a young, semi-servicable 7 footer. Expiring contracts are going to be valued like picks when the new tax structure goes into effect.
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 3, 2012 8:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Idk
I don’t like him either but he’s not exactly the reason the Nets have been losing the past couple of years (see: Vandeweghe, Kiki).
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 3, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
I thought Duhon had 2 more full years?
Rather than an expiring after next season, or any options. At nearly $4 mill per and declining skills, he’s a lot harder to stomach than Hedo (who is serviceable but at the wrong price).
You better be knocking on wood
I just did for all our sake’s.
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That's why he's not being rushed back
It’s too important for on and off court reasons.
by ZR on Feb 3, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
DON'T BUY EVERYTHING YOU SEE
This is bias information, Fred Kerber is a beat writer for the NETS… it’s his job to get delusional NETS fans excited.
You obviously haven't been reading Kerber long
He’s the least likely to act like a mouthpiece for the Nets. He’s really low key; very conservative. He’s like the Woj of the Nets beat writers IMO..
we already know this
Sucks that brook is out though…we could’ve gotten this deal done yesterday
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by Keysta101 on Feb 3, 2012 5:31 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
No, they couldn't have
Read Kerber’s article…Magic will wait.
by ZR on Feb 3, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
wait for what?
until march 15 5:59 PM? w/e let them wait and if it gets to that point Billy should offer them lopez, farmar and 2 picks
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They're going to wait until after the All-Star Game
Is that not obvious?
by ZR on Feb 3, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Which is in three weeks
so I think we can wait.
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 3, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
It is obvious
Why would they want to have this circus around the All-Star Game? Dwight being in aa Magic uniform for that game is worthless now. And don’t tell me about selling out the building. They’d do that with or without a trade.
RIP baby. I love you forever. Our dream of seeing D12 with the Nets is getting closer.
ASG and March 1st
Free agents can be moved then.
by Jack Handy Jr on Feb 3, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
And The beat goes on....
Sources “familiar with Dwight’s thinking” is an interesting twist in this report.
by gkaan on Feb 3, 2012 5:32 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Doesn't really mean anything
For all we know it could be Dwight’s second cousin or something, anyone could be “familiar with Dwight’s thinking”
Anybody who has ever thought of leaving one job for another...
Is “familiar with Howard’s thinking”.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Feb 3, 2012 7:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah but with Kerber he never really puts his neck out there unless
It’s some concrete stuff this all goes along with the same storyline we have been hearing. Funny Frank Isolate on Twitter after the Knick game said and not for nothing Scalabrine swears D12 ends up in Brooklyn.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
by Atronic on Feb 3, 2012 7:08 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
He's been against the Nets chances of Howard
Now he reports this. All good signs.
by ZR on Feb 3, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
*Frank Isola
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
No, he said:
Several persons claiming knowledge of some of Howard’s thinking
Which is an unusually large qualifier for a sports reporter, I’ll give you that.
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Theoretically we should be able to get him for Brook, draft picks, and some scraps...
…but something tells me we are going to lose MarShon as well. I think we should make them keep their terrible contracts if they want Brooks. It shouldn’t be both.
by NuttinBut on Feb 3, 2012 5:37 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Would not be terribly opposed to taking back Hedo, especially since after a Dwight trade the Nets won't really have the cap room to pursue anything but mid-level guys
Hedo’s gonna be on and off, but when he’s on, he can be a good player on the pick and roll with Dwight. They have that chemistry
Relying on Hedo is an Otis Smith move
But after next season his contract becomes a huge expiring as the new cap rules come into play.
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I agree. I inclined to thinking he'll have more good games than bad games
playing with both D8 and D12 – still a position of need on this team.
Ultimately we need to pay whatever it takes but we have to carefully fight to preserve as much as we can
Mostly MarShon.
7 footers with an elite offensive game such as Brook's are far more rare than shooting guards that can score
I think Brook is the only legitimate center piece in any scenario.
pun intended?
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I think it has to be a one or the other type of thing
Both is too much Billy.
Depth is too important in this league and I don’t think this rule applies only to this condensed season. Athletic, deep teams like Portland, Denver, OKC, Memphis, Philly, Indiana, and Chicago are ascendent. The Mavs last season had one elite player at the top of his game, a future HOF past his prime, and a bunch of former all stars and roll players that have seen better days. However, their depth and experience overcame the tired knees of Kobe, the youth of OKC, and the Heat’s thin roster.
So offer just one, cap relief, some picks and Morrow or Farmar. Or just wait outright for free agency and be much better positioned for a dynasty. That’s what the Lakers would do if they had the space.
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Elite Wing Players who can be dominant scorers are rare in this League
WE NEED TO KEEP MARSHON!!!
Give em the draft picks but we need to keep Marshon…
I totally understand the Dwight Crush but am I the only one that sees this dude is shooting below 50% from the free throw line??? SMH Brook Lopez by the way shoots 80%.
If Brook comes back and is giving us 22/8/2 Which is very realistic playing with D-Will I can see giving up much more… Dwight needs to say he is only coming to the Nets. We take Dwight, Duhon and Hedo and send over Brook, Okur, Farmar
I LOVE IT!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
Agreed…..give up picks but hard ball on brooks
by gkaan on Feb 3, 2012 6:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If the Magic don't get Brooks
They wil have embarrassed their franchise.
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That isn't our problem, and losing him for nothing is a bigger embarrassment
We should only give up Brooks if we have to, not because we can. If someone really will top an offer of Lopez, draft picks and a 3rd team, then fine but I don’t think they will. We should learn from the Knick’s mistakes and not give up more then we have to. Everyone thought Walsh was crazy holding up the Melo deal because of Mozgof. Now he looks like he will be a solid center, and the Knicks had to overpay for Chandler and dump their only point guard.
by SovietBrooklyn on Feb 3, 2012 6:56 AM EST up reply actions
said who?
1- If there’s a lot of solid picks like Brooks in this draft , Magic will take our high pick instead
2-If it’s 3or4 way team deal most likely Brooks is not going to be included since he could not stay helthy this short season and most likely Magic would rather take solid vet instea of rook like O Smith said before
3-there’s still a lot of time left to speculate who will be included.
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 3, 2012 6:59 AM EST up reply actions
Dwight is averaging 15.4 rebounds a game and has six 20+ rebound games already, and I'm supposed to care about his ft%?
by muwu on Feb 3, 2012 6:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
when the game is on the line you better!!!
i think you got used to B Lo shooting those free throws at high %
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 3, 2012 7:06 AM EST up reply actions
I would rather get to the game on the line scenario
Test out that theory I’m sure we will get buy shaq did, as did Ben Wallace and many others but they also have rings.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
by Atronic on Feb 3, 2012 7:13 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Than we BETTER have players like
Prince ,Hamilton Wallace, Builllaps as starters or Fox, Harper, Kobe or robert Horry
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 3, 2012 7:23 AM EST up reply actions
i'm yet to see him play above the system
As of right now he just out up shots out there because he have to. But when it matters i would love to see D Will make it happen because in he’s Utah days he choked!!! youtebe highlight maybe vs Lakers
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 3, 2012 7:44 AM EST up reply actions
Shaquille O’Neal’s career free throw percentage is 52.7 and Tim Duncan’s career free throw percentage is 68.8. Both unspectacular, and yet those two guys won 8 of 9 championships from 1999 to 2007.
I can’t think of many things I care less about in a center than his free throw percentage. If you have a chance to get the best big man in the game, you do whatever you can to get it done. Last I checked, Deron Williams and Anthony Morrow weren’t going anywhere in a Dwight deal.
by shane gayle on Feb 3, 2012 7:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh D 12 will domonate the game no doubt
But he also picks up fast fouls as well, just like shaq. Shaq didnt get all that pressure with Kobe on the same team or that Piston team that had put B Wallace on the BEMCH when it matters
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 3, 2012 7:41 AM EST up reply actions
it aint about Finals
It;s about wining it all when it matters
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 3, 2012 7:45 AM EST up reply actions
listen
All i said is.. can we afford players like i said before? will those type of players take a chance of playing here, etc THAT NOT GIVEN IF ORG IS LIMITED IN CAP SPACE
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 3, 2012 7:53 AM EST up reply actions
Going back to the original point
Howard’s FT shooting didn’t stop his team from getting to the Finals, Shaq’s FT shooting didn’t stop him from winning all those championships, why should his ft% matter?
He’s not the ONLY player on the team, Deron Williams is averaging like 29 and 9 lately, that’s not half bad
if the game is on the line
to the point where the other team is in “foul now” mode, why would we put the ball in Dwight’s hands? If you know that’s what they’re going to do, give the ball to Morrow or D-Will.
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Dwight's free throw percentage will get better once he leaves Orlando
He hasn’t worked on improving it to spite Otis Smith, at least that’s what the TNT boys seem to infer.
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MarShon's good
but do we know he will be an “elite” wing. I’m not so sure.
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It's too early in his career to really know
But the kid certainly has the skill and intangibles to be great
D-Will > Carmela
Maybe not the athleticism though
The thing is, to be good in this league you should have at least TWO wings with skill and athleticism. It does make it hard to part with MarShon, period. The only way I offer Brook/Brooks is if the Lakers become a credible threat to land Dwight. Short of that, MarShon’s name stays out of trade speculation entirely.
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 3, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
I would like to see us give up
Lopez, OKur, Farmar and Petro to get Dwight, Hedo and Duhon (which they added later on, so added Petro)…read that somewhere. Anyone remember seeing that about Petro and Duhon?
First that trade doesn't work unless you include Hump
Second, you would have to include a bunch of draft picks.
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Outrageous to think but....
Anyone think the Nets have been milking out MarShon’s injuries so far this year, keeping him out to hopefully “hide” him and his talents from the Magic? I’m sure they have seen plenty already to convince them that he will be a top scorer, but interesting…
Agreed
Forcing him to be a malingerer is an allegation that’s pretty hard to believe. Can’t see a FO doing that.
It would be great to keep marshon and morrow..actually a steal
Dwill/Gaines/arenas?
Brooks/morrow/bogans
Turk/shawn Williams
Hump/Sheldon Williams/jwill
Howard
Wouldn't be surprised to pick up another FA big to back up Howard.
Gonna need somone serviceable for when he gets in foul trouble.
Sheldon Williams has done a great job
I’m confident he can backup Howard.
by ZR on Feb 3, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Would be a great signing once the Nets are capped out next year
makes less than the vets min.
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 3, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Yes he has and I want him to stick around.
Thinking we nay want another big that contribute offense when he’s in there.
if that's the lineup, the depth chart should read
D-Will/Arenas/Gaines
Brooks/Morrow/Bogans
Turk/ShawnE Williams
Hump/J-Will
Howard/She-Will
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Well Yeah
In only one place can he be in a big market, a brand new arena, play with a 27 year old superstar PG to get him the ball, and make tons of money on a city brand. That place is Brooklyn.
Somebody said "FAIR WARNING"
What I don’t get is this…..it sounds more and more likely that teams are going to shy away from taking a rent a Dwight option – which really kills his trade market. The Lakers are going to have to be very careful in making a trade (and Buss loves Bynum) so I don’t see them trading for Dwight. Historically, Buss becomes attached to a player and that guy becomes bulletproof. Sounds like Bynum is the new Magic.
And Dallas really has zero trade assets.
This is business…..Billy King should inform Otis that we have all the leverage and we will either get him this season or early July and are taking our initial offer off the table. The new offer is Houston pick, Okur expiring, Farmar and some filler. I take our first rounder and Brook off table completely. Orlando is going to have only 2 weeks to get a deal done and very limited options. At that point their decision is to swing for fences (championship run), lose for nothing in summer or take back any asset possible. The Nets hold the cards and can dictate the terms and shouldn’t be afraid to do so.
by Ryan243 on Feb 3, 2012 6:19 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
That would be great but...
It would never happen lol that would be the worst trade in nba history we cant be so greedy atleast give them lopez lmao
by tha_RAGER on Feb 3, 2012 6:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Orlando would never agree to that based on principle. They could probably find a better deal than that from a team looking for a rental and to shed salary
Our offer has to be appealing to them but at the same time still keeps us in good position. I think sending them Brook Lopez as the centerpiece, taking their bad contracts back, and giving them draft picks accomplishes that.
by NuttinBut on Feb 3, 2012 6:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And then no GM in the NBA ever deals with Billy ever again
Relationships people. It’s the reason we have Deron.
You can’t be a good GM by just trying to screw everyone else over because for one moment in time it was advantageous to you.
And the Magic will get a MUCH better deal than the one you posed above even as a rental. Hell Dallas can beat that offer, and then we all know where Deron is going.
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by eLonepb on Feb 3, 2012 6:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The way it looks right now
That 85 year old better start looking for a new owner. But untill than Smith is the MAN thats ,ake’s our chances netter of keeping swag
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 3, 2012 7:29 AM EST up reply actions
Even Dallas's pu pu platter would be better than that
Come on now.
by J-Nasty on Feb 3, 2012 7:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
scold scold
rabble rabble rabble! Lot’s of criticism of your position Ryan.
Not totally a bad thought but you do have to give more. Lopez, picks, and cap space has already been established. If I’m Billy I stick to the basic framework but don’t offer as much as I did in November. I think Morrow and Farmar have substantially increased their trade value and could be included in a deal. But I would say one or the other on Brook/Brooks.
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No, you give them Lopez
That is so unrealistic and an incredible low-ball offer.
by ZR on Feb 3, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
This franchise is gonna have two of the top 8-10 players in the world
How ever it happens Im all for it …. dont look a gift horse (D12) in the mouth!
The Hardest thing for some men to do is .... Believe what they see!
In BK we trust...
Amazing turnaround for the franchise if we get Dwight.
Fegan is da man.
Very interested what the final deal will look like…if it actually happens.
Brook + Brooks + lottery pick + whatever else
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Slow down brother...
It will be a hefty ransom but let’s give BK a chance to keep some assets.
And taking bad contracts back?
No thank you. Seen the Jazz and Nuggets play lately?
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Wake me up when either of those teams win a title
Young players who play hard and run the court grab Ws in the regular season. When it’s playoff time and the game slows down, you need star players. Which is why Brook and Brooks and a lotto pick and another pick to pair Deron with Dwight and Hedo is more than worth it. The only issue is if that’s too much considering the leverage, but none of us know at this point.
I always felt Favors or Cousins would be the most dominant from that draft class
Favors has the chance to be special. Last time I checked Utah had been to two Finals only to be thwarted by the best team in history and has consistently been in the playoffs year in and out. Denver couldn’t win with their star player and now may have a shot in the playoffs because they pass the ball and have great half court offense.
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It's pretty clear Wall is the best of that class
Regardless of Cousins and Favors potential.
by ZR on Feb 3, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Furthermore, Monroe has turned out better than both Favors and Cousins thus far
by ZR on Feb 3, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed completely on Monroe
he has been fantastic. Not surprising as his stock had really dipped prior to the draft and the started to rise again. Wall hasn’t really set himself that far apart from the big men and honestly I think he will have less impact over the course of his career. Favors was just scary good in that Clippers game the other night.
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keep MarShon!!!
I say trade w.e else but that kid….he’s too valuable
by JunoNets on Feb 3, 2012 6:39 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Not a poor kid, he's the funniest kid ever ... take a look at his reaction after anesthesia!
by d2d on Feb 3, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I've seen it
he was all whacked out and never thought it was going to end. Nice of his parents to exploit it and turn him into a senseless phenomenon at the age of 7. Good parenting.
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 3, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
oh relax, dude
i’d do the same thing to my son. it’s harmless and doesn’t make them bad parents.
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
Hey, the guy sounds like he's doing a good job talking the kid down.
and is probably a good dad. But c’mon. The kid has youtube and Twitter channels because his parents made a video of him tripping for the first time public. That seems weird to me.
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 3, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Despite what Kerber says, you can never really count out LA, it's not the hardest task in the world to make Dwight warm up to LA and risk a rental
Marshon is 90% gone, the Magic won’t care about anything we can give them except Brook and Marshon
but what have the Lakers offered ?
until the Lakers actually offer this mythical package of Bynum and Gasol, then why just give them MarShon?
by SovietBrooklyn on Feb 3, 2012 6:59 AM EST up reply actions
Well even if they don't, the fact that Orlando can trade him elsewhere is leverage
At the end of the day they still choose where he gets traded to, unless he makes his trade request exclusive to the Nets
Then let them try to find a better deal else where
Our leverage is a deadline for the Magic to make a deal or let Dwight, and limited amount of teams he will sign an extension with. If the Magic find a better deal from the Sacramento Kings or something than good, I like our chances in free agency
by SovietBrooklyn on Feb 3, 2012 7:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
THATS WHAT IM SAYING
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Buss loves bynum
Howard not thrilled with shaq legacy or Kobe.
Makes sense lakers are fading.
And Bynum just made his first ASG
and is younger on a better contract. Doesn’t make much sense for the Lakers, IMO.
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But the NETS are also fading
Howard’s not thrilled about the teammates he is going to be playing with in Brooklyn… lets face it Deron is going to bail on us and Howard for sunny California or his hometown Dallas.
Nets are getting better
what team are you watching?
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Dude 8-15 is INCREDIBLE given the injuries they've had to key players
Fading? Deron Williams has been one of the hottest players in the league over the past 6-7 games. The Nets have been WINNING GAMES. That’s amazing considering Lopez and Brooks have gone down.
If anything, it proves to Dwight that with Deron, they could do amazing things. And with guys like Morrow and Hump around them to do the dirty work, they’re in good shape.
by ZR on Feb 3, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How long can D WILL alone keep it up though,
and you cant expect the NETS to hold on to Lopez, Brooks and Hump in a deal for D Howard.
Their schedule is only going to get easier from this point forward
They play Detroit two times next week. If they can knock off Minnesota and the Knicks this weekend, they’re in good shape.
by ZR on Feb 3, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
I hope your right
It would be cool if the the NETS make it to the playoffs and the Knicks don’t, after the whole Melo drama last season.
No, we are supposed to use about 4 1st round picks to lure another team to give up a star player - such as Iggy.
GWallace is probably no longer for sell.
No way the sixers would do that though, not with the success they're currently having
I don’t think they should make any major trades at all, just keep rolling with what they have right now
The guys you can get for draft picks are likely gonna be in the crappy team region
Charlotte, Detroit, New Orleans, Washington, Toronto, Sacramento
It wouldn't happen
But I’d be happy if we got Iggy somehow if we HAD to loose Brooks
by Anthony Perez on Feb 3, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
PLS stop this Lakers BS
Them BUMS are finished!!! D Will and D 12 have a best option in BK. They both can make most money here after trade and have better chance wining chip here than in LA
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 3, 2012 7:33 AM EST up reply actions
i'm yet to see Bynum dominate
it’s kobe show in Laker town. Farmar won a chip with kobe etc. bottom line here Bynum will still be questioned as heakth subject and unlike fans coaches see the game. SVG knows better what it is with Bynum Media hype wont cover it. look at what happened when Lakers went to Orlando
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 3, 2012 7:50 AM EST up reply actions
Yao was voted as a starter in the ASG last year and didn't play a single game
AS votes over popularity contests.
by Anthony Perez on Feb 3, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
How many times are you gong to have to read it before you believe it !?!?
D Howard has already given LA, Dallas and the NETS the green light for a trade and guaranteeing to stay with them for the long haul .
No he hasn't only the Nets have that GUARANTEE thru D-will
Everything else is speculation.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
that's not what has been reported recently
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You sound scared of LA Aidar Berhcftgdxdfjgd
D Howard and D Will don’t care about the money they care about winning and how can they win in BK when they are willing to blow up their roster for one player.
TruNet
How many negative comments are you going to be posting? What’s the point of telling everyone we suck and were gonna lose deron and not get Howard?
Its just my job to plant a bit of realism into everybody's mines
so don’t come crying to me when all I say comes true.
Actually it seems Howard has told the Lakers he will test free agency if traded there
That team is done, stick a fork in it. Lakers need to rebuild soon.
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Its to soon to say that, especially with the Lakers
I don’t think the Lakers have ever been in the rebuilding process, they all ways fine a way out.
That's fine and well...Magic may like their offer, doesn't mean Howard stays.
Where’e the PG? Don’t think he’s not watching the Clips and thinking he and Deron can emulate that in the east.
i'm cant stop it
but LMAO when peaple just put Swag as a deal breaker out there. Rookie who showed some potential!!! Like O Smith said they would rather have solid vet instead of rookie with hype
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 3, 2012 7:04 AM EST reply actions
Oh but you want to keep him so badly
But you think the Magic don’t want him ?
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i tink Magic will take all they can..BUT
we Still dont know wich teams will be included. If it’s 3-4 or 5 way team trade i belive we would keep Swag as low cap salary, and we take rest of crap like Turk Duhan etc
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 3, 2012 7:12 AM EST up reply actions
I don't it's as much Marshon being a deal breaker as opposes to wanting
BK to try to keep him – which I’m sure he is. But if it can’t happen……
It worries me that everyone is overlooking the bigger concern here… would Dwight stay if we traded for him? I mean he wants to play with a real superstar, not a fake one like Derong who doesn’t care about winning and isn’t that good.
by OTRWaldo on Feb 3, 2012 7:30 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Derong???
Not that good ??? Can I have some of the kool aid you’re sipping? The is arguably the best in the league and is playing lights out right now there’s a reason Dwight wants to come to the Nets and his name is Deron.
by JunoNets on Feb 3, 2012 7:33 AM EST via mobile reply actions
For people who haven't seen this tweet by Frank Isola, this should be worrying Knicks FO and fans.
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For what it’s worth, the Bulls Brian Scalabrine – a Jeff Van Gundy in training wheels – is convinced that Dwight Howard ends up in Brooklyn
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by jerry25 on Feb 3, 2012 7:34 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
What is really strange, and hasn't been discussed, is that Brook Lopez knows that his only purpose until the trade deadline ...
is to get healthy and prepare to play well so he can be traded to Disney World.
Normally, that thought would tear apart a team, but good old Brook doesn’t seem to mind.
I am going to miss him
He has been the best darn person through this horrible three years.
by Rawdawg05 on Feb 3, 2012 7:46 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Also for those who would prefer for Nets to risk Orlando keeping Howard past the trade deadline, so that Nets can keep Lopez...
by trading for Howard, we would likely be able to re-sign Hump and keep DJames if he is fully recovered. (we might have never seen a healthy DJames after the very beginning of the season.)
Yeah
But if we keep lopez, we don’t really need hump.
by Jtart9 on Feb 3, 2012 7:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
It might be how they're keeping a lid on trade talks
they’ve mostly settled on an agreement. Soul Driver, I think you might be a prophet.
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I think Swag gets moved in the deal
Just not to the magic. My guess is he gets moved to a third team with one of Orlando’s bad contracts. Cap flexibility has been the mantra since day one of the new regime.
by sour grapes on Feb 3, 2012 8:00 AM EST via mobile reply actions
i doubt it
we can keep him as a low salary and take all crap from rest of the teams like it happened before
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 3, 2012 8:06 AM EST up reply actions
That would be worse then trading him.
Much worse. Not taking on Hedo’s contract>keeping Marshon in my opinion.
by sour grapes on Feb 3, 2012 8:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i hate this
I want Dwight but I don’t want to give up Marshon and a top pick. Dwight doesn’t want to stay or re sign so to me Orlando has no leverage. Dwight needs to say Nets or Nowhere
And then no GM in the NBA ever deals with Billy ever again
Relationships people. It’s the reason we have Deron.
You can’t be a good GM by just trying to screw everyone else over because for one moment in time it was advantageous to you.
And the Magic will get a MUCH better deal than the one you posed above even as a rental. Hell Dallas can beat that offer, and then we all know where Deron is going.
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by eLonepb on Feb 3, 2012 6:40 AM EST
by BrooksBridges11 on Feb 3, 2012 8:12 AM EST up reply actions
yeah yeah
Like Pau Gasol deal? Or maybe the VC deal? Whtat about the KG deal?
Do you see how terrible that Melo deal was?
Young talent in Melo, Gasol and KG deal
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but
KG deal was mainly AlJeff
VC deal was…. Mourning and EWilliams?
Gasol for Gasol basically
You can’t give up the farm for a player that would sign as a FA
Lopez Brooks AND a lottery pick? That’s too much IMO
Lopez Bojan and the a lottery pick? Maybe
Now if Hedo is included? Lopez and a lottery pick maybe hump
Lopez Bojan and the a lottery pick? Maybe
Lopez, Bojan, 2 picks, and cap relief (Hump/Okur)? Absolutely.
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 3, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
eLone said that to someone who said we shouldn't even give them Lopez
We can make a fair deal with Lopez, picks, and pieces.
I’m sorry, but dude is a 21 ppg 7 Footer
by Anthony Perez on Feb 3, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
w/ a broken foot, coming off a down year.
His value is probably at the lowest its been in his whole career since being an unknown rookie.
Can anyone answer my question please?
Say we trade for Dwight before the deadline and the team is over the cap. Then Dwight and Dwill briefly become free agents before resigning. Do their cap holds keep us over the cap? Basically I’m asking, do we retain our MLE for this offseason? Because if so, I think somebody like Ray Allen could be had for the full MLE over 3 years (only for a contender).
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Yes...we would be over the cap...
And able to use the full mle.
Yes. $1.9m over two years
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by Net Income on Feb 3, 2012 8:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's all about the timing
Deals can be worked and approved sequentially to take advantage of CBA. Nets did that with Okur and Stevenson.
Stevenson had agreed to deal before Okur trade but Stevenson was signed to room exception after Okur trade was completed.
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by Net Income on Feb 3, 2012 8:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
So then here's another scenario:
Orlando holds onto Dwight at the deadline. The Nets move the contracts of Morrow, Famar, and Petro leaving the Nets with Lopez’s cap hold, MarShon, Shawne Williams, Jordan Williams, and two first round draft picks.
The Nets then sign Dwill, Dwight, and match an offer to Brook bringing them over the cap. Do they then have access to the MLE and LLE or do they have to wait one more year?
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They wouldn't have those exceptions
The only exception we would have is the room exception ($2.5mil).
Thanks
anyone have a link where all this information is posted?
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 3, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
I still think if Howard says it's Nets or nothing
the Nets should make the Magic choose between us absorbing Hedo’s contract in the deal, or getting MarShon back. If we take Hedo, we keep MarShon. If we don’t take Hedo, they get to have him in the deal.
Nets will need a good young player like Brooks if they have Turkey clogging up their cap.
by CurlyBeast on Feb 3, 2012 9:02 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Now that I agree with
There should be a negotiation as opposed to giving the Magic whatever they want. Billy can easily wait this out until the summer, and maybe he will make that known.
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By the way, did anyone see the awesome stuff K.Love said about the Pacers?
"I’ve said all along I’ve never liked the Pacers," Love said. "I guarantee the next time we play them it will be just as physical."
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"They take those pills and they’ve got all that toughness," Love said with his tongue planted in his cheek. "I don’t know where that comes from. They all think they’re tough guys. I just don’t know where that comes from. That just blows my mind. They’re all tough. And it makes me laugh."
I don’t know that I got that vibe from the game the Nets played against the Pacers the other night.
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I believe
If the Nets have to trade MarShon or Bojan. Neither will re sign with Orlando anyways and probably come back to Brooklyn 2 yrs down the line
I dunno about that, wouldn’t they be restricted free agents like all other rookies are? That would give Orlando the option to match
but who says they would want to stay in Orlando?
if im marshon, well actually idk, if he really loves it here, why not come back?
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Restricted Free Agent = you don’t have a choice where you want to play if the team that holds your rights wants to keep you.
Why wouldn't you want to stay in Orlando?
Awesome climate, no income tax, a brand new AWESOME arena, and a proven history of attracting marquee free agents (Hill, McGrady). That’s why Stern dismissed outright the assertion that Orlando were somehow victims in this whole Dwightmare, they just have too much going right not to rebound from this situation. It’s not like they’re Cleveland or Toronto.
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 3, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
just need to overhaul that FO
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Agreed
I think the start is SVG is gone once Dwight departs (although firing him long ago probably would have made Dwight happier).
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 3, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
That would be another mistake in a long line of mistakes.
There aren’t 5 coaches in the league better than SVG. Otis Smith is the idiot in this situation, not Stan.
I don't dispute that he's a good coach
not sure he’s top 5. But his caustic nature is bound to wear on anybody. I don’t know what has gone wrong with the Orlando organization but if I had a player like Dwight I would never have a coach like Stan. No wonder the guy wants to leave.
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The guy wants to leave because almost all of his teammates are replacement level players.
SVG is an incredibly successful coach. Top5 defense for years when the only good defensive players on the entire roster were Howard and Mickael Pietrus (and Gortat when he played here).
I agree with your assessment
I’ve never understood why the Cavs, Raptos, and Magic surrounded their dominant players with such garbage. If you draft a dominant player you have to make sure you either draft, sign, or trade for a capable side kick. I’m glad Magic fans are at least aware what garbage Howard has been saddled with. Enjoy Ryan Anderson though (we never should have made that trade).
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Anderson will lose his luster a little bit when Dwight HOward isn't in the paint drawing hte defense in.
He is a solid player, but not #1 or #2 on a team good.
At the end of the day I don’t think the deal will end up being as gratuitous as John Hollinger predicts.. but I think giving up MarShon and Brook Lopez is a necessity.
I look at it this way. The Nets traded two #3 picks (one was Favors), the Warriors pick from this year (protected 1-7), and Devin Harris for Deron Williams.
The Knicks traded Chandler, Gallinari, Felton, three young guys who still have some upside and are all starting caliber, along with Mozgov (really just a big body but he showed he can do some good things @ MSG) and what will be a worthless 2014 first rounder, and they got back Melo, Billups, Shelden, and Anthony Carter.
So if the Nets give up MarShon Brooks, an unproven rookie, and Brook Lopez, a guy with a lot of question marks hanging over his head, along with four draft picks that will never amount to much of anything, how can you really complain if the result is Dwight Howard?
idc about losing brook
but i would really like to keep marshon, the Nets haven’t allowed a rookie to develop since Lopez and marshon has already show ridiculous potential
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brook, picks, farmar, and fillers from another team
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and brooks is the deal breaker?
….orlando is getting desperate they can’t pick and choose who they want anymore, their time is running out
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No, it's not
Beyond Howard and Anderson the Magic have no assets. They need to rebuild quick and if you want to replenish you’re front line depth this is the draft to do so. ESPN has Jared Sullinger projected to go #7 now – he would have been the #1 or 2 pick had he come out last year.
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 3, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Along with four draft picks that will never amount to much of anything.
If the Nets are including their and Rockets’ pick, then I’d say that two of those picks will amount to something.
And to be fair, I don’t know that the two late round picks won’t be Tony Parker and MarShon Brooks redux.
My point is that these are all sacrifices that are perfectly reasonable to make to ensure you have a Dwight/Deron core before the end of the season and into the stretch run of ticket sales for Brooklyn 2012.
I agree.
When it’s all said and done, I expect the Nets to be giving up Lopez, Brooks, Okur, Farmar 2012 Nets first-round and 2014 Nets first-rounder and getting back Howard, Turkoglu and Duhon. (I think the Nets will hold onto the Rockets’ pick.)
by Dopeness on Feb 3, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Most importantly, keeping Humphries! I agree that this trade would be the best outcome for both parties
Keeping Hump is essential if that's the deal that goes down
The Nets will have problems scoring but we’ll see what happens.
by ZR on Feb 3, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
I think we take back Turkoglu
But draw the line at Duhon, but who knows. It depends on whether King can muster enough outbound salary to make it all match. If this drags into March (likely), I wouldn’t be surprised of Orlando wants to get out from the mistakes it made this past offseason (JRich & Baby) before Duhon.
Scenario
Otis Smith says to Billy: “I want you to send out Lopez, Brooks, and four picks and you have Howard”.
Billy: “Sorry, it’s too much Otis. I’ll give you Lopez, Morrow, two picks, and the contracts of Humphries and Okur for Howard and Turkoglu. But know that this deal is clearly as far as I go.”
Where does Otis go to get a better offer? That’s better than anything the Lakers can compile unless they give up both Bynum and Gasol and the Lakers aren’t even pursuing Howard at his point.
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 3, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
SAVE MORROW!!!
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I personally want to keep draft picks but next year it is reasonable.
PG Williams/Duhon/Gaines
SG: Morrow/Bogdanovic/ Stevenson
SF: Kirelenko (MLE)/Turk/S. Williams
PF: Hump/ S.Williams/ J. Williams
C: Howard/Okur/
We still have other exception, but that team can compete
I wouldn't mind that
Move she-will to the 5 and swill to rotate between the 3 and the 4 spot, we would have 3 solid players in each position… Not sure how okur and hump would fit in that lineup with their salaries though, especially when we have turk,dwill and dwight under contract and mle is used on ak as you said
Non-Bird Rights on Sheldon & Stevenson
Early-bird rights on Gaines.
That means Sheldon & Stevenson are entitled for up to a 20% raise or 20% above the minimum whichever is greater. Sheldon may be playing himself into a bigger raise than that.
Gaines is entitled to a 75% raise, but it doesn’t really matter since he’s a minimum salary guy anyway.
Isn't that just the cap hold?
Can’t we extend them at lower salaries?
We can sign them for less than or equal to the raises stated above
Those are just the max salaries we could resign them for.
dwight to nets already agreed
agree with those that think that the trade is already agreed upon….i think brooks injury, or delay in return, is questionable, in fact all the injuries save for brook are a liitle bit strange…players are being kept out mysteriously, and there’s really no rumors at all of other discussions around the league with otis…seems like LA Lakers has gotten word that dwight is generally hesitant (though i wonder if that’s a deal breaker there, as lakers would be rightfully confident that dwight would re sign after being there, especially if the lakers made the finals with him) but they’re not including both gasol/bynum no matter what….seems like nets and magic have a deal date, agreed upon basically save for dramatic unforseen events, and will happen obviously at some point during next six weeks.
I'm going to take an unpopular stance here
I’m not sold on MarShon. He’s a good scorer, undoubtedly. One-on-one. But I’m not convinced he’s a good PLAYER. A good player makes his teammates better. LeBron made Mo Williams an All-Star. I think a good comparison for MarShon right now is… (don’t hate me) Melo. He’s a ball stopper. I’m not trying to trash the kid, I like him, but I don’t think he’s as good of an all-around player as he’s made out to be based on his scoring alone. Hopefully he doesn’t get an ego like Melo and start actually hurting the offense.
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ehh i dont agree
we’ve seen him make some great assists.. he’s also a rookie in a shortened camp/no summer league and our offense is just dwill running curls around picks
i think he can be a real difference maker.. he is a natural
dwill to howard -> kidd to kmart 2.0
by blguerriero1 on Feb 3, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
His passing has been getting better
I think he understands the game better than most players. So much of what he does is about using space and reacting to his defender, which is such a heady game. He needs to see the other players on the court better but you can already see him keeping his head up and looking for his teammates quicker.
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 3, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
I'm sold on him.
He’s shown promise being able to score the ball himself, which has been a huge need of the nets. Obviously this is a downside you’re pointing to – not being able to be a team player – but i’m looking glass half-full: he’s a rookie, and one of the best in the class, who has a good head on his shoulders and wants to help this team
by Dolphins_Nets on Feb 3, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
He's still learning.
I don’t think he’s an unwilling passer, he just thinks whatever shot he creates is going to be a better shot than what they end up w/ if he passes it, and with this ragtag group and his ability to make difficult shots w/ relative ease, I can’t fault his logic.
He overdribbles trying to create sometimes, but that’s because he’s pressing too hard to make something happen. Deron was more than guilty of that early in the season. Playing with teammates that can’t make plays off the dribble can have that effect.
Given Orlando's lack of leverage and our desperation,
I think the trade ends up Brook, Brooks, Okur, our 2012 pick and Houston’s 2012 pick for Dwight (NO OTHER CONTRACTS).
Deron / Farmar / Gaines
Bogans / Stevenson
Shawne / Morrow / (James)
Humphries / Jordan
Dwight / Shelden / Petro
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morrow starts at sg backed up by bogans
stevenson starts at sf backed up by shawne
by newarknjnets on Feb 3, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Why not take Turkoglu?
Looking forward to the offseason, what free agent forward available will be better than Hump? If we resign Hump, we’ll be capped out & still have no SF. I’m not sure taking back Turkoglu would be a big deal. We’d have him at SF, use bird rights to resign Hump, and then we’d have the mid-level & bi-annual exceptions. Given our post-trade salary structure, two years of Turkoglu shouldn’t be a deal breaker.
If you're taking back Turk
You’re probably sending Hump. Dwight and Turk make 29 million, which means we would need to send out at least 24 million. Brook, Brooks and Okur together make 15 million. You need to come up with another 9 million in contracts. You can either send Morrow, Farmar and James, or Hump and James.
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You split the trades into separate, but simultaneous trades
That means you have to send out at least $7mil in a Turkoglu trade & $13mil in a Howard trade. Hump won’t be included in any trade.
There’s many permutations that could make the deals work Okur+Lopez for Howard & Farmar+Petro/ShaWill+Brooks for Turkoglu. It’s in essence on big trade, but it’s split into multiple smaller trades to make it work under the trade rules.
I could live with that
But then you do need to make a play for another player like Iggy or Smith (or Pierce) and I am not sure the Nets would have the pieces.
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 3, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
My hope is Gerald Wallace opting out
He has a player option at the end of this year. Maybe we can do a double sign and trade with Portland of Humphries for Wallace if they decide to stick with Batum.
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Then who's your PF? Wallace is a SF.
Wallace and Howard would be outright brutal.
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 3, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Shawne Williams as a stretch 4?
I assume if they can get Wallace and have DWill and Dwight along with them that the veterans would love to come play here for the room exception (2.5/year for two years). We can figure out the SG and PF spots later.
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That would be a good deal for the Nets
although I still hate giving up Brooks.
Nets will be able to get some hanger on ring-chaser to help them at small-forward, probably (someone like Grant Hill maybe, even though he has yet to show an affinity for ring chasing – maybe if promised a big role on the team, though).
Potential 2012-2013 Roster with & Without a Howard Trade
Just taking a stab at what the roster differences would be if we were to give up talent in a trade for Howard versus renouncing free agents & signing Howard.
Without Trade:
Howard – Lopez – Brooks – Morrow/Petro – DWill – JWill – Gaines – Picks – $2.5mil room exception – minimum salary guys
With Trade:
Howard – Hump – Turkoglu – Morrow – DWill – ShaWill – JWill – Gaines – Stevenson – $5mil mid level exception – $1.9mil bi-annual exception
The trade off is basically Lopez, Brooks & draft picks versus Hump, Turkoglu, Stevenson & exceptions. Long-term, you’d rather have the young guys & picks, but I’m not so sure that “gutting our team in a trade” doesn’t actually make our team deeper for 2012-2013 thanks to the larger exceptions. Ultimately, we’d rather sign D12 as a free agent, but we won’t be in too bad a shape if we trade for him.
True. Very good insight
As stated above:
It’s hard to stomach
because next year we would be cap choked. But the off season after next year we would have $15.5 million in expiring contracts in Duhon and Hedo. Considering the more restrictive cap structure will be put in place the Nets could get good value for those contracts.
The MLE could be used to get a really good veteran on his last contract (I.E. Ray Allen), and expiring contracts are going to be worth gold for teams looking to avoid paying the new restrictive taxes. I would hate it, but I can now see the logic of giving up Brooks and Lopez in a deal if it ensures Howard.
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 3, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
If I was BKing
you have to change original offer. They were stubborn not to jump on the original deal. They have to be low balled now they are desperate.
1) If you want us to take Turk, Lopez expiring and other picks – no 2012 pick and Brooks
2) If you dont want us to take Turk, Lopez, expiring and other picks – you can pick either 2012 pick or Brooks
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by SIC One on Feb 3, 2012 10:34 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Disagree
Our team is playing better despite injuries and the return of Brook is on the horizon. Deron continues to indicate he wants to stay even suggesting that he would pick up next year’s option. The Brooklyn brand will probably be unveiled and hyped when? Probably just before Orlando hosts the ASG.
Orlando? They’re team is in open revolt to a point that I haven’t seen since when? Let me think… a certain migraine on a December night sent a team into a four year tailspin.
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 3, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Worst case senerio
Brooks, Lopez, James, Farmar, Stevenson, Okur, Petro, and Picks for Howard, Turk, and Q-Rich *Nets pick up Arenas.
Deron Williams | Gilbert Arenas | Sundiata Gaines
Kieth Bogans | Anthony Morrow
Hedo Turkoglu | Quentin Richardson
Kris Humphries | Shawne Williams | Jordan Williams
Dwight Howard | Sheldon Williams
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
That is what I am worried about
worse case scenarios like this.
I would have done that the first week of training camp, but now after they tried to use the Lakers and the Mavs as leverage.
F them.
Clearly Dwight was prepared to go to FA. If they had won a few more of those games, Dwight would be happier to wait it out.
Now ORL is desperate because the team is sinking hard. Now we know we are in a ONE MAN RACE. Now we know that clearly the NETS are and have been his #1 Destination.
Why should we overpay?
Yeah I know it is DWIGHT HOWARD, but it is not our fault that ORL Management and Ownership are hard headed, delusional, and just plain STUPID.
Dwight Agent already has endorsement deals lined up. Like I have said before, I wouldnt be surprised that ADiDAS has said – IF Dwight goes to BK as FA, they would add and extra $30 mill to any deal they have with Dwight.
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for those out there thinking we should just low-ball the Magic that’s just ridiculous because Dwight hasn’t publicly said that it’s Nets or bust. so until then we have to put the best package available and be cautious. i know people up here love Brooks as do i, but if we have to give him up for Dwight so be it. Proky wants to win now not wait around for people to develop or not.
completely off-topic
but does anyone else feel like the new jerseys will probably say Brooklyn on both the home and away, a la the you-know-who’s across the river?
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I prefer that as well
I just get the sense with them saying how “Brooklyn will be prominently featured on everything” that they might do something like that. It’s also hard to duplicate styles from an 8 letter word to a 4 letter word
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Cap Space.
The basic issue here with regards to what will happen in free agency and why Dallas will be a competitor is confusing to me, doesn’t Dallas have like cap space only for one all star calibre player left? How do they have enough cap space for both Dwill and D12? In the case that they do not have cap space, I believe we should wait it out til after the season, or play the slime game and get Dwight for something cheap, because Orlando will believe that getting something is better than nothing!
This
these reporters and BSPN just cant admit that Dwight wants to come to the NETS.
They are so blinded my their own ignorance that they cant see that Dwight WANTS to be a NET.
So they continue to include teams like the Lakers and Dallas. When in fact it is a far gone conclusion that the NETS are his only preferred team. That the whole Lakers thing is just for leverage.
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Interesting point not sure if you guys agree...
If Magic decides to trade Dh12 to Nets they will trade him right after feb 26th. May be as early as 28th. The reason i think they will trade him asap and not wait till mar 15th as Nets play magic in orlando on Mar 16th. That would be crazy.
Two weeks is good enough time for things to calm down. They certainly dont want to trade him on Mar 13th and see him in nets jersey in orlando on mar 16th.
Who knows with these guys
I would never want to have a celebration of my franchise being marred by speculation regarding the future whereabouts of my franchise player. Oh well. I’m still not convinced they can summon the courage to trade him, he’s just too dominant.
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Not in his prime
Shaq was traded only after his REPORTED weight was something like 375 lbs.
Cavs couldn’t bring themselves to trade Lebron. Dwight has made his intentions more clear but the Magic still don’t seem inclined to oblige his request.
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Maybe but
Kerber makes a valid point about trading him before the ASG. Why would you want to host an event where the HOT TOPIC is the HOST is leaving?
That doesnt make sense. Trade him now and let the media go crazy for two weeks. Hope by the time the allstar game comes around it forgot.
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more than likely
he’ll get booed either way
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Yes
If they are planning before ASG then trade him this week. Which i dont think is going to happen.
Another point, both Brook n Brooks need to be on floor playing good ball for orlando to feel bit comfy.
Not really
What does it matter how they are playing? If Dwight wants Nets only then they are going to have to accept our package no matter what, or hold onto him for the season.
If Brook isn’t playing well, then what? They hold onto him for the season? Yea right
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I completely agree
The Magic would be making a long term investment in Lopez. While it would be nice for them to see him on the court and healthy, I don’t think anyone expects Brook to be 100% by March 15. Same with MarShon, are they going to pass on a top 3 rookie because he has a broken pinky toe? Not really. As long as these players are at least rehabbing they should be tradable.
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I can almost guarantee that if we get dwight before that march 16 game. We will be on national television right away.
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Eh, I like my YES.
But the more people watching, the better!
by Dolphins_Nets on Feb 3, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
best combo ever was Bill Walton and Snapper Jones
because Walton is a raving idiot and Snapper was the only one who would call him out on it.
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Oh of course I'd keep watching the Nets on YES...
but damnit if it isn’t high time this franchise got some exposure….
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SUPER BOWL XLVIII will be held in East Rutherford.
I’m going to my 1st Super Bowl. WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAA
JETS vs GIANTS in NJ
This would be called the Ultimate Super Bowl
I'm a colts fan and Manning vs Manning SB would be awesome
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Jets vs. Giants would be fantastic
and we know how much pressure would be on the Giants to win that game, cuz a Jets win erases a whole lot of bad history for them and give them the ultimate bragging rights!
Pressure on the Giants? What?
Not at all.
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Circles.. circles
We’re going in circles…
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To be successful, apparently Avery's Defense System requires it to be manned by NBA All-Defensive Team.
by 3ptChucker on Feb 3, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
if a trade goes down, i could see this as our 2012-2013 starting lineup
williams-arenas
morrow-stevenson
kirilenko-turkoglu
jamison-j.williams
howard-she.williams
burgandie...
Hump will stay
I could also see bogans, ak 47 and extra e. I doubt Jamison.
Ludicrous
How in the world can the Nets afford that lineup??
by ZR on Feb 3, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
a bunch of vets min and mmle
jamison got paid already, all he wants is that ring
arenas just wants to play with dwight
ak has said he wants to play with dwight as well
burgandie...
by Jeffrey Sutton on Feb 3, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Unrealistic
It will take a lot to pry AK47 from CSKA Moscow given his contract will pay him a lot.
by ZR on Feb 3, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
MLE to AK; LLE to Jamison
& some wishful thinking. There will be a lot of aging vets on the market, and it’s hard to know what they’d settle for in an attempt to win a ring. KG & Allen will be free agents, but they have a ring already, so they may not be compelled to give up money a chance to win one. Jamison would be a great fit next to Howard, and has yet to win a ring. Gerald Wallace won’t settle for the MLE.
If we have Turkoglu, I’m not sure throwing the MLE at Kirilenko is a wise move. Then again, AK could be a 6th man of the year candidate off the bench backing up both forward spots.
I agree about Turk and AK47...no reason for him there, save $$
I’m still not convinced on Jamison taking that little. He can still produce.
by ZR on Feb 3, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting read
Nets Simply Can Wait It Out With Dwight Howard
By: Jarrod Rudolph
Feb 03, 2012 11:09 AM EST
The Denver Nuggets are enjoying success since trading Carmelo Anthony. Last season’s melodrama created around Anthony’s questionable future with the team that drafted him put fans, teammates and the Nuggets’ front office in an awkward space.
The Orlando Magic are now facing a similar situation.
The organization is at a crossroads in the wake of Dwight Howard’s trade request. There aren’t many NBA franchises that can say they lost the best center of two consecutive generations. In fact, you’d be hard pressed to find that dynamic in all of professional sports.
It’s a tough time in Orlando.
Scattered boos can be heard when Howard is introduced. The team hasn’t played well as of late. And Otis Smith, general manager of the Magic, reportedly isn’t having any luck finding a trade partner to help him add a piece to his struggling team to improve his chances of retaining Howard.
The Magic woes of the Magic, however, are other team’s gains, specifically the New Jersey Nets.
Named as one of the teams on Howard’s list, sources say the Nets are the only team Howard is truly interested in. The idea of playing with Deron Williams and helping the Nets move to Brooklyn are appealing to Howard. Depending on who you speak to, it’s only a matter of time before Howard is scoring easy baskets created by Williams and enjoying Junior’s cheesecake, a staple of Brooklyn. The Nets seemingly can’t lose unless they make a major misstep in the next few months, which is why they shouldn’t make a single move until the summer.
The Nets would be foolish to make a trade for Howard right now.
Why would Nets general manager Billy King give up pieces for a player that is seemingly prepared to walk to him in the summer?
Why give up assets that can be used to strengthen a team built around Williams and Howard, a one-two punch that could potentially join the likes of Magic Johnson and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar as one of the best point guard/center combos in the history of the game? The idea may sound far-fetched, but getting these two superstars in the prime of their careers will make for an interesting future.
Here’s the reality: GMs often gut their team in trades because they refuse to be patient and let things play out. King has the chance to do things the right way and if he does, he’s going to find that the Brooklyn Nets will have an immediate shot at a championship.
The Nets will still have Brook Lopez, who can be traded for a piece to play alongside Williams and Howard.
The Nets will have a lottery pick, no doubt, because they’re a horrible team right now.
The Nets will have free agents like Jamal Crawford, J.R. Smith, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen and Andrei Kirilenko that would surely love to play with their All-Star core of Howard and Williams.
They will have Brooklyn and all of the things that come with playing in New York City.
There are just so many positives about the potential of the situation that I can go on about. But they have to be patient. There’s no need for them to make a move now and bring Howard into a situation that can’t be turned around this season.
The Nets aren’t a playoff team. Even if they add Howard now, he’ll need time to learn the system, coaches and his new teammates. It’s just not a situation that speaks to immediate success. Waiting makes more sense.
It’s important that the Nets learn from the Knicks.
Thinking about the Knicks’ situation, they would have had Carmelo Anthony if they waited. Then, they would have been able to use the pieces they gave up for him to fill the holes that are currently killing them. The Nets don’t have great pieces anyway and a trade that gets them a player of Howard’s caliber for Lopez, or anything around Lopez, is a robbery, especially when the player you want seems to share your interest.
The Nets will be in a similar boat if they get impatient, but will leap them if they wait for the summer.
It's a pointless article because ORL will more than likely deal D12 somewhere
Nets position likely to be, “Do we want D12 being rented elsewhere with the slim possibility new team sways him to stay?”
check this one out
Brian Schmitz @MagicInsider Magic will ask Dwight Howard and his wandering eye for an answer Mar. 1 or around that date. Official: “It’s where rubber meets the road.”
He's entirely wrong on Melo
Melo would be a Net if the Knicks didn’t trade for him. You can’t assume that you will get the prize by sitting on your hands. Just because “sources” say Dwight is only interested in the Nets, doesn’t mean that its true not does it mean that won’t ever change.
by J-Nasty on Feb 3, 2012 4:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't fully agree with this
When you have the chance to get Howard, you do it. No matter what. If you get into a situation where Dwight and Deron can re-up for the max together, you do it.
This article is banking a lot on Dwight Howard being convinced to become a Net. He doesn’t even recognize the potential pitfall that Howard spurns the Nets, thus effectively losing DWill and sending the team back into the abyss.
You make the trade for Howard, you do it.
by ZR on Feb 3, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
if we give up
marshon they need to keep hedo
Two options
1) Call Prokhorov, hire KGB, relieve Hedo of duty and sign AK47.
2) Call Gilbert Arenas, promise him a contract if he relieves Hedo of his duty, then sign Arenas and AK47.
Done and done.
by ZR on Feb 3, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
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