Woj: It's Nets vs. Mavericks for D12
by Net Income on Feb 17, 2012 7:30 AM EST
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PrintSpeaking with a Boston radio show Thursday, Adrian Wojnarowski said that if Dwight Howard reaches free agency, it's likely a competition between the Nets and Mavericks. Asked if Boston could mount a "full court press" to change D12's mind and consider the Celtics, here's what Woj said.
I think it's late in the game to do that. Boston has tried very hard to get into that mix to be a team he would consider. I think there are really two scenarios for him in free agency, one is going to Brooklyn with Deron Williams and the other is going to be Dallas. Dallas...do you see Mark Cuban telling everyone how great Shawn Marion is, he's all defensive team, why does't anybody appreciate Shawn Marion? Because he's trying to get his contract off so he'll have the cap space to sign both Deron Williams and Dwight Howard. If they get rid of Shawn Marion, then Dallas is in the game for both those guys and then, they'll be right there with the Nets in getting both guys.
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WEEI is the extremely biased radio station here in Boston. Its horrible to listen to. WOJ has been suckered into entertaining them.
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
NO DOUBT GET IT OVER WITH
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
wouldnt u prefer us just start fresh.
it’ll be completely refreshed,m and we wont have to deal with the whole hoopla of how howards not going to be in the playoffs yata yata yata.
This is why I'd almost rather get Dwight at the deadline.
While, yes, we do lose Brook, MarShon, our pick, etc., our future is set as long as we have Deron and Dwight. If we wait until free agency, we could legitimately lose anything.
If trading for Dwight Howard is winning the lottery, then trying to get Dwight in free agency is playing double or nothing with the lottery winnings.
Getting him in a trade is like winning pick6, versus in free agency the mega millions
by jharv6 on Feb 17, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
either way your a winner
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Feb 17, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
Correct
either way your a winner, but you get 10x as much with the mega millions
I’m still quite confident that if Dwight makes it to free agency, he’ll come here. Everyone needs to remember that Dwight Howard personally said he wants to be in Brooklyn. Everything else we are hearing isn’t from him, but from “sources”
true but the only thing I've heard from dwight lately
is how he wants the ball down the stretch in orl and winning with them
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Feb 17, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
Do you really think he's going to stay in Orlando?
I think this season he’s seen the true colors of Magic fans and sportswriters who have basically shown him that they don’t respect him, only his stats playing for the Orlando Magic. The only way I see him staying is if they win the Championship, or possibly lose in the finals.
yeah but he keeps saying the right things they have a great record on a winning streak
not sure if he’s saying the right things to avoid bad blood in orl its impossible to know whats going on in his head
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Feb 17, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
I'm rooting for the Magic to do very well up until March15th
so that they don’t trade him, then fall apart and get knocked out of the playoffs in the first round like last year, then he comes here
i think he keeps saying things in the media because he doesn’t want to be portrayed as the bad guy but it seems like he doesn’t say the right things at the moment
by avilanets85 on Feb 17, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
Winning streak and saying the right thing means nothing
What it comes down to is can the Magic win a championship now or in the near future?
by SovietBrooklyn on Feb 17, 2012 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
Orlando
has more NBA players then the Nets, he would be further from contention with the Nets
No.
Laughable. Unless you’re just talking this year post trade.
Look at Orlando’s roster, it’s one of the worst in the league.
by vincecarter4pres on Feb 17, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
true but i don't even have hope that we get him
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Feb 17, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah the difference is...
The probability of you winning the mega millions is significnatly lower. I’d rather go with the guaranteed win
by anothernetsfan on Feb 17, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
Trading for him can be risky as well
Since Deron is waiting till the end of the season because he could get more money if he re-signs, Dwight will likely wait too. That can potentially be a huge risk. The new CBA rules have pretty much gotten rid of the benefits of a sign and trade thus Dwight will wait to re-sign even if we traded for him. With the way things are going now with us, I wouldn’t be surprise to see both of them weight their options. Certainly, if Dallas can move Shawn Marion, they would have an edge because they already have a third star, albeit an aging one in Dirk. Lots of risk either way. It would be good if we can start winning some games with the supporting cast and coaching staff proving their worth.
"The trade that usually happens is the one you never hear about" - Net Income
by imdkidd on Feb 17, 2012 11:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dallas is ready to win now
Nets are Howard + 2 starters + 1 to 2 good bench players away from contending for the playoffs
A Dirk, Deron and Dwight (3D!) trio would be deadly. But it’s Dirk and his $20 million cap hold vs. more Bird Rights money for Deron, a lottery pick, MarShon Brooks, Brook Lopez, and New York.
hmm Dirk or Lopez and Marshon
gee, who would I pick…hmm….
by MrDollarBills on Feb 17, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
if this goes to FA
We DON’T have Deron
by anothernetsfan on Feb 17, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
My point with bringing up Dirk was that you’d have three max contracts, with one of them going to an aging superstar. I didn’t say the Nets deal was preferable to the Dallas deal either.
also brooklyn can be Dwight’s city where dallas is Dirkmania
by avilanets85 on Feb 17, 2012 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
For the pay cuts they would have to take?
And I’m not talking about the lost 5th year or really even raise percentages either.
by vincecarter4pres on Feb 17, 2012 2:01 AM EST up reply actions
Plus, by the time they added the complimentary pieces
Dirk would be about ready to retire.
yeah
so why is Dallas on Howard’s list?
This would all be KILLED if it was declared “Nets or nothing”. As of today, it has not been. So obviously, there is something to Howard considering Dallas. We already know that Deron has them in mind if this falls through.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 17, 2012 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
You don't know that
Jim Buss admitted Dwight doesn’t want to go there yet they’re in Dwight’s list according to the Magic.
And the Nets being atop of that list is everything you need to know.
Not to mention that if Dallas had all three they'd have no way to really fill out their roster appropriately
Come to Brooklyn, Dwight. You know where you need to be.
by ZR on Feb 17, 2012 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
people said that about the Knicks and Heat, and they are doing just fine.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 17, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
the Knicks were blowing before lin came in
Carmelo Anthony has done nothing for them
ITS A VVVVVVVVVVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEE
by Keysta101 on Feb 17, 2012 10:40 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
i wouldn't say 15 and 15 is "just fine"
this is a team that said they expected to compete for the title
The Heat are different and you know it.
They were able to fill out the roster with 4 other starting quality players before they got to vet minimum guys.
Dallas does not have that financial flexibility, actually Deron and Dwight would have to take heavy pay cuts to play there.
I am in no way saying its impossible for Dwight and Deron to team up with Dirk in Dallas, but the fact is they are a lot farther from having the cap space then us and can never clear out true max or even close to it and then would have to fill the roster out with all vet minimum guyswith no contract flexibility to make trades or sign guys.
Why you keep ignoring this info and my posts which are fact not opionion but insist on saying the same vague ignorances of these issues I don’t know?
You answer everyone else who doesn’t understand it fully(referring to the CBA), yet you ignore the posters who have the knowledge because it would compromise your angle, at least that’s how it seems.
by vincecarter4pres on Feb 17, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
ye get it done
this aint dealing a playoff team for melo. this is dealing an 8-22 team for dwight…theres nothing here.
Hah
funny how “rational” fans were so sure and smug about Dwight being a 100% sure bet
if this team doesn’t trade for him at the deadline, best believe Cuban will clear the necessary space to sign BOTH OUTRIGHT.
Fans of 8-23 teams shouldn’t be arrogant
We are not the Knicks. When the Knicks landed Melo last year, they were in the playoff race. This team is damn near all but disqualified from contending for that 8th spot
i know that’s why we need to get him ASAP
by avilanets85 on Feb 17, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
no problem with me
what does the 8th seed do?
Much rather have a lottery pick, plus houstons pick (if they make the playoffs)
FRANKS AND BEANS FRANKS AND BEANS
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Feb 17, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
the 8th seed puts you into the playoffs
by MrDollarBills on Feb 17, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
but its okay
we have been conditioned to accept futility.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 17, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
the 8th seed ensures that d will re-signs
and dwight comes through FA
by King Of Russia on Feb 17, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
would be fun to see Dwight and Deron vs Chicago or Miami
by RandyOreens on Feb 17, 2012 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
if we did play chicago i think we take them out
by avilanets85 on Feb 17, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
nope chicago can beat dwight and deron if we get him at the deadline and gut our team
but the next year when we can assemble a team around the two i like our chances
by Andrew Flynn on Feb 17, 2012 7:41 AM EST up reply actions
best believe Cuban will clear the necessary space to sign BOTH OUTRIGHT.
He can¡t. This is a fact. Dallas can dump everyone but Dirk and they still won’t have enough room for 2 max contracts.
no he can't, check your facts
Dirk- 20.9M
12 cap holds- 5.64
total-
cap- 58
available cap space- 31.46
max contract for Deron would start at 17.4
max contract for Dwight would start at 19
cap space needed to sign both of them to max contracts- 36.4
And that’s assuming they’re able to dump Marion, VC, Odom and everyone not named Dirk Nowitzki. No one is taking on Odom btw. so you can pretty much add another 2.4M less to their available cap space next summer.
Larry Coon, an expert on the NBA cap and far more credible than anyone's take here:
The Mavs will be able to generate the cap space — they need to waive Vince Carter (half man, half salary dump) and Lamar Odom, who have partially-guaranteed contracts. They also need to use their amnesty waiver on Brendan Haywood. They’d then be able to give Howard a max deal. Word has it they want to move Shawn Marion for an ending contract as well, which would clear nearly enough to go after both Howard and Deron Williams, which would have to be considered their "Plan A."
http://www.hoopsworld.com/salary-cap-chat-with-larry-coon-11812
I respect your opinion, but I’ll take his word over anyone here. We are blinded by our desires as fans.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 17, 2012 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
no it's not fact
for example , you wrote that nobody would take on Odom, but they can simply waive him
pay more attention and read again please
my math includes them trading Odom.
What I said is I doubt anyone would want him, so you pretty much can count on them having another 2.4M counting against their cap, since that amount is GUARANTEED even if they cut him in the summer. If they don’t want that 2.4M to be on their books, they NEED to trade him by March 15. And again my math assumed he is indeed traded, which won’t happen.
Odom has a team option and is fully unguaranteed next year
he will have no type of cap hold in the offseason
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 17, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2011/09/lamar-odom-considering-playing-in-europe.html
The Lakers have a $8.2-million option for the 2012-2013 campaign. Only $2.4 million of that option is guaranteed, meaning it’s possible Odom could become a free agent in 2012.
So, yes, unless he's traded by the deadline that amount will count against DAL's cap
Good luck trading him for an expiring, he’s been worthless this year. When he was in LA there were already lots of GM who didn’t want to trade for him because they questioned what his motivation would be of he wasn’t in LA. After what we’re seeing this year I think it’s fair to say those concerns among rival GMs have to be even more serious now.
Preach that truth brother!
I love Larry Coon, he’s my NBA go to guy, but facts are facts and simple math allows us to understand quite simply that if Dallas could clear every last player on that roster outside Dirk they still come up almost $5 million short for Deron and Dwight max contracts.
Will the Double D’s make it 3D in Dallas by sacrificing money? Very possible, but full max for both is flat out impossible.
This is one of the main reasons I don’t post as much on the comments side. You have to be on broken record status with FACTS and you’re still disputed over and over and over and over…
by vincecarter4pres on Feb 17, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
And he says "nearly" enough
Like I said, BCS for them they’d still be 5M short of being able to offer 2 max contracts.
Dallas can just renounce those FA's and get rid of that cap hold.
by LOVEandHATEHOOPS on Feb 17, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
My math includes them renouncin EVERYONE
there are still cap holds for every empty roster spot under the league minimum (13 players), if they dumped everyone but Dirk there would be 12 cap holds of around 470k each counting against their cap amounting to the figure I posted above. And again, this woulbe BCS for Dallas.
So there offer would be slightly less for each
But tax savings in Texas?
by LOVEandHATEHOOPS on Feb 17, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
sounds familiar right?
Florida has no state taxes, mega Free Agents wont take any type of paycut to play with each other
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 17, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
James and Bosh were S&T'ed
meaning they got extra money.
players being s&t’ed and getting the extra money only their home team could offer them can’t happen anymore with the new cba.
not to mention they all 3 took paycut, in DAL’s case you’d be asking Williams and Howard to take paycuts while a washed up Dirk makes 21M.
Also, Wade, Bosh and LeBron’s only option to play together was Miami. Deron and Dwight can play together in BKN and make the max, it’s not like DAL is their only option for them to have to take such paycuts.
Dallas is still a top 5 media market
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 17, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
That may be true, but how do you fill out the roster?
Those three aren’t enough.
by ZR on Feb 17, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
Miami and NY have had a hard time filling out their rosters.
lets put the Nets tea down for a second and be real about this: we are not in a position to make gambles. If the trade is there, you do it. Without thinking twice about it.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 17, 2012 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
i'm in such a bad mood about this NBA season
and it’s says how much of an idiot I am to keep watching. When Kidd was still leading this team, I remember thinking the Nets would never go back to the old days of misfortunes. That once Kidd left or retired thorn would put us in a good position to rebuild quickly. THEN the whole Ratner thing happens and the team is forced to be broken down, but yet I still believe they won’t allow the team to suck for too long. But here we are, Nets misfortunes alive and strong, feels like the old days…pre-Kidd.
you're not an idiot dude
you’re a true fan.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 17, 2012 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
We trade for him by deadline if Orlando will...
end of story, no ifs ands or buts. I’d rather go with 2 building blocks then a hail mary pass
by anothernetsfan on Feb 17, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
and somehow
Heat got Mike Miller, Haslem to take a deal 60% below market value, Shane Battier, Kept Chalmers and added Cole behind him
the knicks since the trade have added Tyson Chandler, Lin, JR Smith, and the two rookies have been solid(Shumpert and Harrelson) and if Baron Davis is in any type of game shape he’ll be the backup point guard
once you get stars in a decent market its nothing for players to flock to the team
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 17, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
It's says what everyone is saying
Thry have to dump Marion to get space for both . Dwight and Deron can take cuts to play in Dallas!
by Zartan on Feb 17, 2012 9:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
To me the Marion one is the most difficult because what team is going to help Cuban form his own Big 3, and give expiring contracts to do so?
by JimmyLips on Feb 17, 2012 10:52 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
like who is going to take pothead Beasley off Riley's hand who is using his 6+ mil salary to push bricks
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 17, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Beasley was the 2nd overall pick 2 years removed who still had a ton of potential but a lot of off court issues, being offered for a 2nd round pick and ca space.
Marion is in his 30’s on a big long contract and is a player mainly only contenders will want but won’t want to help Dallas form a Big 3.
Big difference.
by vincecarter4pres on Feb 17, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
excuse me while I don’t bother taking your word for it.
Unless you are in Dwight’s camp, or have been privy to the discussions between Billy King and Otis Smith, I doubt you have enough credible and factual information to consider anything a sure bet.
I hope you’re right btw, but sorry, can’t buy that stuff.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 17, 2012 8:30 AM EST up reply actions
If they sign both outright, will they be able to compete long-term?
I have my doubts. How do they fill out that roster?
And like people have mentioned, Dirk is not Dirk this year. Is that a trend?
by ZR on Feb 17, 2012 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
Yuck.
No way. Gimme a good gin martini over all that stuff any day.
by vincecarter4pres on Feb 17, 2012 3:07 AM EST up reply actions
what is to prevent us from trading for Dwight and then both Deron and Dwight leaving for Dallas as FAs? Can’t that happen?
by kcc444 on Feb 17, 2012 12:18 AM EST via mobile reply actions
yeah but i hardly doubt that would ever happen
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Feb 17, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
they would assure us they would stay, don't worry
they would both be looked upon as the biggest moisos in history if they did that. if we trade for Dwight, he and D-Will are Nets for several years to come, no doubt about it.
haha I don't blame you
If Dwight comes, he will stay for several years, don’t worry
Technically, yes they can
But that won’t happen. DWill has already confirmed that if Dwight was a Net he’d re-sign immediately. That was from preseason.
by ZR on Feb 17, 2012 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
It may not be THAT bad if he makes it to free agency. Sure, dirk is a finals MVP, one of the greatest pfs of all time and the best possible compliment to deron and howard BUT, he’s only got 2-3 years of good ball left in him tops. If he makes it to free agency, Howard will be getting a much better supporting cast in Morrow, Brooks & Lopez. If everything clicks, these guys are all young. Lots more potential here.
Possibility, because Magic owner wants to win now and keeping Dwight is the best chance they have
but I have serious doubts about it. Who cares if he said he wants to win a championship in Orlando, I’m sure LeBron wanted to win one in Cleveland. Chris Paul wanted to win one in New Orleans. D-Will wanted to win in Utah. Just didn’t work out where they were and they left for a brighter future. This past year, Jose Reyes said several times he wanted to remain a Met. Obviously, that didn’t turn out so well.
No
I just can’t see the Magic seriously believing he’s going to stay. They’ll feel the pressure after the All-Star break and after confirming his trade request still stands, they’ll get something rather than nothing. It would behoove the Magic to do this, like Kevin O’Connor did with DWill.
by ZR on Feb 17, 2012 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
No chance in blue hell
I like what someone said the other day on this board.
The Magic probably said “We’re going to trade you, but we need your best behavior and for you to be softer on the franchise. We have the all-star game coming here, the press is going to be all over us. Just tow the company line for us for now.”
by Anthony Perez on Feb 17, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
We need to trade for Dwight ASAP after March 1
I would be okay with giving up our picks if we can clear a lot of cap room and then try to grab Wilson Chandler from the Nuggets with a multi-year contract. Don’t mind trading Brook because even if we sign Dwight as a FA, Brook is gone. Since the Mavs have nothing to trade, I think we can get away with keeping Morrow and not having to take on Turk or Duhon.
Dirk...
The guy is going to be 35 by the next postseason. And at the point that you have those three you are capped out, in the west with now other talent to speak of.
If the Nets got Howard in FA, we’d have a lottery pick/Lopez/Brooks/Ammo. Even better imagine we get the #1 pick and then wheel Lopez for Gerald Wallace. There are much better possibilities in Brooklyn.
Derron/Brooks/Wallace/Davis/Howard
Bench: Ammo, Shelden Williams, Stevenson, Petro, Gaines
i’d rather keep lopez then trade him unless it’s durant or lebron
by avilanets85 on Feb 17, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
Just a thought, I wouldn’t mind keeping lopez. Just thought if we by some miracle got Davis, it would balance out the roster a little bit better.
yeah unless davis becomes a bust. we already know what we have in lopez and it’s not bad
by avilanets85 on Feb 17, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
If we get Dwight, whether it's by trade or FA, I'm pretty sure Lopez is gone
if it’s a trade obviously Lopez is the centerpiece. If it’ by FA, I just don’t think their games fit very well. Dwight is 100% going to be our Center on defense and Brook just doesn’t match up well against PF’s. He’s too big and slow.
you don’t think they would at least try it out first. the idea of pairing them up?
by avilanets85 on Feb 17, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
Can everybody stop speculating on dwight howard coming to the nets!!! The more you speculate the less it will happen!!!
by ballsohard2012 on Feb 17, 2012 12:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Woj didnt say how exactly they would afford D Will and D12!!!! Can anyone explaine how they would do it?
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 17, 2012 12:32 AM EST reply actions
I'm pretty sure
They would have to trade Haywood or Marion and amnesty the other to have room, not an easy task wiith those contracts.
i asked Larry Coon about this yesterday on his chat
Amnesty Haywood. Trade Marion. Waiver Carter Wright Yi. Basically get it down to Dirk Beaubois and jones
by kcc444 on Feb 17, 2012 12:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
well if they say so than ok lets see whats better them
Just saying D Will B LO and D12 looks more dangerouse to me going forward.
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 17, 2012 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
Nah that's wrong, here's how it's really done...
Trade Marion.
Amnesty Haywood.
Trade Roddy B.
Trade Carter.
Trade Odom.
Trade Dominique Jones.
Renounce every free agent they have.
No 1st round pick.
The they still only have a little under $32 million to split between Deron and Dwight who would cost $36.2 for true max starting salary all for the right to play with 11 vet minimum players, 1 mini-mini-MLE player and have pretty much zero trade assets or expiring contracts or cap room to make a trade or a signing for the next 3 seasons.
Righto!
by vincecarter4pres on Feb 17, 2012 2:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this will never happen
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Feb 17, 2012 2:11 AM EST up reply actions
no way cuban pulls all that off impossible
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Feb 17, 2012 2:11 AM EST up reply actions
They said the same thing about Riley and Miami
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Feb 17, 2012 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
with all that done
that team has to win 82 games and make a run in playoffs with D League players. Correct me if i’m wrong but they cant sign no one unless that MLE’s OR LLE"S means finished or D Leaguer!
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 17, 2012 3:00 AM EST up reply actions
i'll take this instead if i'm D Will or D12
D Will-Gaines gains becasue he wont take more than mill
Swag-Morrow Both can play with rotation of D12 and B LO
G Wallace-1st round-D Steve
B LO-J Will J Will have soft hands and can shoot, will play with D12 most of the time while B LO rest
D12-Hump Hump plays when D12 on the bemch
This team can make a 7-8 years run and be favorite to win it all
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 17, 2012 3:07 AM EST up reply actions
i did some research and it didnt woked out
Of course not a GM!!! but still there’s hall bunch of if’s.
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 17, 2012 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
No clue how this team will look by next season
but if Batum gets to free agency we got to look at him
FRANKS AND BEANS FRANKS AND BEANS
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Feb 17, 2012 12:35 AM EST reply actions
they would let Wallace go and give Batum that 10 mill, i think he will take it.
They might even trade him before trade dead line wont be surprized, for some Centar wich they desparently need
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 17, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
He is coming
100 % i am so sure. Gut feeling:)
by OMFG on Feb 17, 2012 12:35 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
This franchise can not take the risk of getting Dwight in FA
How some of you don’t see that is mind-boggling.
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
by BEB on Feb 17, 2012 12:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions
What do we have to lose?
We are already not considered as a contender or even an average team. Worst case we lose Dwill, best case we get both D-will and D12
You just answered your own question
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
by BEB on Feb 17, 2012 1:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
But I'd rather lose Dwill and build in the draft
Then trade for D12 and have a crap team behind them. Building a team through draft and fa IS better then trading every asset for 2 players…
and in the meantime
the Nets go BROKE.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 17, 2012 8:13 AM EST up reply actions
I think we can risk it if the price is too high
I think the Nets certainly prefer the trade route to get Dwight in the fold and begin the Brooklyn PR blitz, but if Orlando tries to leverage us too much with the risk of letting him hit free agency we take our chances.
by SovietBrooklyn on Feb 17, 2012 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
there would have to be a verbal agreement from dwight behind close doors for the nets to wait for FA ad not do a trade
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Feb 17, 2012 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
Just saying the Nets were allowed to talk to Dwight
and then still after decided to keep his spot open on the roster
by SovietBrooklyn on Feb 17, 2012 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
i dont think we can afford to give up anything
after the season dwight and deron are going to choose the best scenario going forward anyway
Just like i said this blazer=Nets
keep it close and last 3 min get their moiso hancded to them
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 17, 2012 1:07 AM EST reply actions
i rather be the blazers then the nets right now haha unless we get dwight
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by kory raymond on Feb 17, 2012 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
The biggest similarity is that we are both missing our most important front court player
That’s where it ends for me, because they are a much deep team than us
by SovietBrooklyn on Feb 17, 2012 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
They need Center like Chandler type untill than they ATL type team at best
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 17, 2012 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
Well if Greg Oden could ever be healthy
by SovietBrooklyn on Feb 17, 2012 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
how old is camby now
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by kory raymond on Feb 17, 2012 2:11 AM EST up reply actions
around 36
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Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 17, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Without checking I swore he was 38?
by vincecarter4pres on Feb 17, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
he's up there.i know he's younger than Hill, Nash, and Juwan
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 17, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
Damn, just looked it up.
38 next month!
Man dude is in great shape for his age.
by vincecarter4pres on Feb 17, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Both Deron and Dwight are opting out no matter what..
Its nonsense to trade for him.. Dallas will still be in the running for both players even if we do acquire Dwight in a trade. Our best hope is to tank this season to get the high draft pick. It would also help if Brook came back and played well. Brook, Brooks, 2012 #1, Deron, and Morrow/Farmar would be the best situation for Dwight and Deron.
It's not nonsense
If you can get him now, you do it. It will pretty much guarantee he’s a Net going into Brooklyn.
by ZR on Feb 17, 2012 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
Team Shaq getting all the buzz
cuz of Griffin/Rubio/J.Lin. But I think team chuck will win…irving and wall, running with derrick williams, marShon and Cousins…smh that is gonna be awesome
FRANKS AND BEANS FRANKS AND BEANS
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Feb 17, 2012 1:16 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
either way it should be a fun game
i’m glad they switched the format up
by sheepareevil on Feb 17, 2012 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know
Rubio playing with Blake in a defenseless exhibition. I put my money Shaq
by SovietBrooklyn on Feb 17, 2012 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
so much for the black pat riley....
team Chuck led by MARSHON BROOKS is way better. I’m surprised John Wall fell so far. If I were starting an NBA team, he’s the player I’d most like to have out of any of the guys in the Rising Stars game.
In one game not a frachise tho.
Wall has such a high ceiling, but he doesn’t perform to that standard yet and loses.
I guess that's true
but Wall is SO athletic and all these all-star games are dominated by the fast, athletic dudes
wow... is that serious?
i mean we all love marshon, but you’d take him over griffin, lin, rubio, irving, wall, monroe, etc????!?!?!?!!?!?
John Wall is awful...
All this ceiling talk is nice, but it has been 2 years and he’s shown nothing.
by anothernetsfan on Feb 17, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
he's not awful he's playing in one of the worst basketball environments with one of the dumbest teams collectively
him and Lopez would have been giving the league fits already
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 17, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
I agree. I like Chuck's team
Even without Marshon bias.
by Anthony Perez on Feb 17, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
K-Mart doin work
I dont’ like Blake Griffin, but I’d really like to see the Clippers win so Kenyon and Chris Paul get a ring
We have to trade for him as soon as All star weakened passes.
We stink so idc what we give up for d12. We gotta get him! Whatever it takes!
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watch the Lakers trade him for Rondo
obviously Kupchak wants a PG, which is why he traded for CP3. The other day he said something about how he would love to trade for a 25 year old, ball handling, all-star PG, which is exactly what Rondo is. Also heard a rumor later that day that the Celtics would be interested in swapping Rondo for Gasol. That would be a good move for the Lakers, and I guess the Celtics. Lakers “big three” of Rondo Kobe and Bynum would be pretty good while our dynamic duo of D-Will and Dwight would just be an OOP show for the rest of the season, to be a championship contender the next.
can't wait for the 3-point contest and I'm looking forward to the Skills Challenge but I haven't heard anything on that yet....
the dunk contest is gonna suck this year. HUGE letdown.
Wow Shaq is just like MJ can draft cant evaluate talante at all
Chuck has better team by far
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 17, 2012 1:40 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
and thinks he's still in the movie kazaam
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by kory raymond on Feb 17, 2012 1:44 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
IT WAS GOOD MOVIE! LOL
You play to win the game!
by stevieboyNETS on Feb 17, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
i mean i would take this team right now
Irving-Wall
Swag-
Leonard-Derik W
Cousins
T Splitter
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 17, 2012 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
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Anonymous Lakers player, about Metta World Peace: “There are a lot of guys in here who’d just like to see him gone” dlvr.it/1CY4ly
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he has been trash since they won their last ring
but i dont know who got the guts to speak up because:
Barnes, Ebanks, Fisher, Blake, have all been trash too. So I’m guessing it was Bynum or some rookie relaying the carrier pigeon
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 17, 2012 1:55 AM EST up reply actions
most likely kobe he is good for talking trash about teammates
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by kory raymond on Feb 17, 2012 1:58 AM EST up reply actions
We're in a can't lose situation right now.
We either end up with DWill and Dwight or we keep Marshon, Lopez, Hump, Morrow and at least one good draft pick this year (and maybe even what we would trade DWill for), either way it’s an exciting time for the franchise!!
just sucks the see all these super teams in the nba right now
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by kory raymond on Feb 17, 2012 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
kind of hard to be exciting about going back to square one of rebuilding
after years of build up for 2012. We aren’t trading D Will though…now way. To much invested for us not to play it out until the last second. We would let him him walk away while Billy recites lines from Jerry Mcguire as he packs his bags before we trade him
by SovietBrooklyn on Feb 17, 2012 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't say it's square one
Lopez and Brooks are good pieces to have in place already. if we get a high pick and pick right (Billy King has a MUCH better drafting record than Thorn), I think we could turn it around before too long.
by sheepareevil on Feb 17, 2012 1:54 AM EST up reply actions
as we all do
but I don’t subscribe to this “the franchise will never recover if Deron leaves” sensationalism
by sheepareevil on Feb 17, 2012 2:06 AM EST up reply actions
It may not be exactly square one but it is a huge step back
Considering the assets we invest in Deron. My point is while it they are nice players to have, you can’t going into Brooklyn and Linsanity, Melo, and Amare’s market slapping Brooks goofy mug, MarShon and a draft pick on billboards and expect to draw fans. We will be the laughing stock of the NBA.
by SovietBrooklyn on Feb 17, 2012 2:05 AM EST up reply actions
the Clippers were a laughing stock for a while
now they seem to have more fans than the Lakers. you get good, you get a bandwagon. that can happen at any time. not saying it’s easy, or likely, and won’t take time, but our franchise isn’t over if this gamble fails.
by sheepareevil on Feb 17, 2012 2:07 AM EST up reply actions
I've always liked the clippers over lakers but i hate blake griffen such a cry baby
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by kory raymond on Feb 17, 2012 2:12 AM EST up reply actions
me too
but i’m willing to put up with him. they have a beautiful team
by sheepareevil on Feb 17, 2012 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
a while?
The Clippers were a laughing stock for a quarter of a century. Of course the sun will shine in Brooklyn eventually, but how long will that take? There is no way around it that if we come up empty handed and go into Brooklyn a rebuilding team it is a disaster. I disagree I think instant success going into Brooklyn is very important to the franchise’s future. We need to have a brand that has appeal from day one.
by SovietBrooklyn on Feb 17, 2012 2:19 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree with that
I think if we go into Brooklyn with Lopez and Brooks as our core, though no desirable, would not destroy as a franchise. we’d still be the little brother to the Knicks, yes, but we’d also be in a bigger market and would have better chances to improve. people will catch onto the Nets’ “brand” as they start building a product that actually wins. if that happens, our brand will increase. people won’t write us for sports eternity because on Brooklyn Day 1 our “brand” wasn’t complete.
maybe I’m overly optimistic. but I also know the future is impossible to predict, crazy things have happened in the NBA this year. The Clippers are a contender and carry none of the stigma of their embarrassing past; Ricky Rubio turned the Minne’freakin’sota Timberwolves into a fan favorite; Jeremy Lin is THE story of the NBA. As long as the future is that uncertain I’ll continue to hope for positive developments. Doom’n’gloom gets you no where IMO
by sheepareevil on Feb 17, 2012 2:25 AM EST up reply actions
That's the thing our brand will be incomplete
We will be the joke that has the crazy Russian owner that is all bark and no bite.Prokhorov made big promises, now he has to deliver. Maybe it is just me I can’t take more years of Nets irrelevance and mockery. I’ve been very patient and optimist through the process of saving assets and losing games, I just can’t do it anymore. Hoping that something will come along to change our fortunes, I can’t stomach the idea of that again right now
by SovietBrooklyn on Feb 17, 2012 2:31 AM EST up reply actions
yea I don't want to keep rebuilding either
it’s been forever since we sniffed the playoffs. but to say that our franchise won’t recover from a potential failure here (even if we fail, I would still go back and take the same risk. fortune favors the bold or w/e) to me is silly. anything can happen, luck can change, perceptions can change. The Clippers prove this.
There was also a time when people considered Cuban to be all talk. Prohky is new to the league; even if he fails in his “5 years championship” promise (which I don’t think he EVER should have said), there’s always a chance to turn perception around. Dirk went from a softer Karl Malone to being in the conversation for greatest PF of all time because he got that ring. Anything can happen.
by sheepareevil on Feb 17, 2012 2:35 AM EST up reply actions
but clearly you recognize the difference of going into Brooklyn with a bang and not a whimper
Seats will fill up in Brooklyn down the road if we are successful on the court, but they will never be able take back that first impression on the city. We simply can not go in as the same old Nets, especially not at a time when NY fans are energized by the Knicks.
by SovietBrooklyn on Feb 17, 2012 2:52 AM EST up reply actions
it certainly would not be ideal
but what i’m saying is it doesn’t define us as a franchise for all of the future. we can erase that initial bad first impression if we rebuild right
by sheepareevil on Feb 17, 2012 2:56 AM EST up reply actions
But you have to think this draft is STACKED also.
A top pick could get you one of the NEXT batches of superstars.
the Nets have a LOT to lose
if they fail here. A LOT.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 17, 2012 8:12 AM EST up reply actions
Umm...
I consider this a lose-lose situation if you bought season tickets… Unless they want to refund me some of my money?
by anothernetsfan on Feb 17, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
only a lakers fan would say something like his what a fool this was comment from the metta world peace article
The entire fan base feels this way. Again, should of amnesty’d him when they had the gotdamn (sic) ******* opportunity. Jim Buss has no ******* clue what he is doing. The only hope for the Lakers at this point is if after ASW Dwight gets moved, then Deron Williams will be in play for LA. Nets will not shop him until D12 is officially out of their grasp. That or you call up Houston and explain how scola, lowry, and martin for gasol is a good deal and we shall accept it. This team is contending as currently constituted, something needs to give here once ASW comes and goes.
The Lakers are going to be smart and amnesty Kobe on the last year of his contract when he is due 30 million. Then when they amnesty him they can restructure his deal. Because he won’t be worth the money in two years.
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I liked this one
Anonymous
^ hey [offensive word], this website isnt for simple minded [offensive word] like you. There is no way the 11th best player in the NBA according to espn should/would be traded for picks and an apparent draft bust. The lakers could easily deal gasol for Deron Williams at the trade deadline so Nj won’t have williams leave for nothing by free agency.
by SovietBrooklyn on Feb 17, 2012 1:56 AM EST up reply actions
haha i would take a bag of rocks over gasol and his contract
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by kory raymond on Feb 17, 2012 2:17 AM EST up reply actions
you can't amnesty and restructure
someone will claim him off the the amnesty fro SOME price, they can’t do that
by anothernetsfan on Feb 17, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
he aint the only one
call me delusional but we do have a chance
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 17, 2012 1:53 AM EST up reply actions
listen if we win 3 in a row things will change quick
only 5 games behind with 20 some games left yes i can see us in playoffs with magic falling out of picture fast
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 17, 2012 1:57 AM EST up reply actions
im a real fan although i do talk a lot of trash about this team but there is no way we make the playoffs just don't see it happening even if we get dwight at the deadline
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by kory raymond on Feb 17, 2012 1:57 AM EST up reply actions
yeah i still watch every game hoping for wins and waiting for lopez
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by kory raymond on Feb 17, 2012 2:13 AM EST up reply actions
Charles: "Deron I feel for you. I know what its like. Michael Jackson surrounded by a bunch of Titos"
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 17, 2012 1:56 AM EST reply actions
did he really say that
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by kory raymond on Feb 17, 2012 1:59 AM EST up reply actions
yes
but he also said the nets are only this bad because Lopez has not played yet
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 17, 2012 2:00 AM EST up reply actions
he's certainly not wrong
at least Deron made the all-star team; shows the coaches recognize he’s just in a terrible situation with no roster
by sheepareevil on Feb 17, 2012 2:08 AM EST up reply actions
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By the way, we make a big deal out of Lin on the couch. Morrow was sleeping in his car before he made it with the Dubs.
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damn
I always forget Morrow wasn’t drafted. how the HELL do you miss that kind of shooting talent? Even if he’s literally worthless in every other area of the game, you don’t let a kid who at one point was shooting the best 3pt% in NBA history go undrafted
by sheepareevil on Feb 17, 2012 2:31 AM EST up reply actions
not that shocking actually
most drafts are based on talent / athleticism. Morrow is 100% hard work. He just kept on shooting at the gym, but he’s got nothing else because he doesn’t have any real athleticism.
by anothernetsfan on Feb 17, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Still don't think you trade for him
When it comes down the free agency, if the Nets do get a top 3 pick, they’re gonna look undoubtedly more attractive to Deron and Dwight. Not worried about Dallas at all. You have to keep in mind that it’s not what the teams are now, it’s what they’ll be with Deron and Dwight. Playing with Dirk might seem like an easy big 3, but Dirk is just starting to wear down a little now. The guys the Nets will have might not be superstars (Brook, Marshon, and a top 5 pick) but they’ll be young and talented
honestly i would love this rotation
D Will-Gaines gains becasue he wont take more than mill
Swag-Morrow Both can play with rotation of D12 and B LO
G Wallace-1st round-D Steve
B LO-J Will J Will have soft hands and can shoot, will play with D12 most of the time while B LO rest
D12-Hump Hump plays when D12 on the bemch
This team can make a 7-8 years run and be favorite to win it all
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 17, 2012 2:47 AM EST up reply actions
that's the funny part , IT IS
Having bird rights and rookie contracts while we still can go over the cap!!! while signing our own free agnts last and having a lottary pick can get us G Wallace if we sign him first
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 17, 2012 2:54 AM EST up reply actions
You have to sign Dwight too, that's gonna be all of it pretty much
You’ll have to trade away some contracts just to sign Dwight, much less anyone else
no it's not, D Will will opt out first than there's a lot of cap space left to resign our own players after we signed free agents
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_jersey.htm
59 mill cap, but we can go over the cap if we resigning our own players ACCORDING TO CBA. Sign D12 and G Wallace first than go over the cap on our own players
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 17, 2012 3:06 AM EST up reply actions
Cap holds
Your team’s free agents have what is called a “cap hold.” This is an amount of money that is charged to your team’s salary cap number, even though the player isn’t under contract. This is a deliberate ploy that exists to close a loophole; if cap holds didn’t exist, it’s theoretically possible for a team to have its entire roster become free agents at the same time, have their entire cap to spend on other team’s free agents, and then use Bird rights to re-sign their own ones afterwards. And that would be disingenuous. This way, your free agents eat into your cap room, forcing you to prioritise a bit better.
Deron has a 17 million dollar cap hold
Yeah you can't sign Wallace and Howard with Lopez.
by vincecarter4pres on Feb 17, 2012 3:11 AM EST up reply actions
long time dude
nice to see you back
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 17, 2012 3:22 AM EST up reply actions
Whoa just realized you came back!
You couldn’t resist
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This lineup is not possible
If Dwight makes it to FA, expect something like this:
Williams/Farmar/Gaines
Brooks/Morrow/Stevenson
AK47/Kidd-Gilchrist
Lopez/J. Williams
Howard/S. Williams
I expect either Farmar or Morrow will have to be traded. I also see AK47 coming to the Nets if Howard is here. He would be a Net right now if not for Lopez going down, that’s a fact.
by ZR on Feb 17, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
When I write 'this lineup'
I meant in response to what I was commenting on…it’s not clear in my response.
by ZR on Feb 17, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
stacked team…add humphries and nets are set.
We would finally see a consistent team….not 5-6 new players every year
"Beware the Ides of March."
I didn't include Hump because there's no way you can have both AK47 and Hump
Not possible.
by ZR on Feb 17, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
Either Hump or AK47 could take Farmar's money if he opts out
Then the other could get the MLE.
Not likely to happen, I think Hump is going to get a payday.
disagree
The Nets cannot afford to let him hit free agency. I’m not sure where this arrogance comes from where people think that we have some kind of advantage.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 17, 2012 8:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s not arrogance. It’s an objective evaluation of the situation. Deron Williams, Brook Lopez, Anthony Morrow, MarShon Brooks and a lottery pick in a stacked draft vs. Deron Williams and Dirk Nowitzki.
Come on.
really?
Maybe Howard holds Dirk in a higher regard than Lopez, Morrow, and Brooks, and a lottery pick that may be a star or may not. Most people outside of this fanbase would take Dirk over those three names and a pick, even at age 34-35. You don’t know what Howard is thinking….or Deron for that matter…how you can call your “sure bet” analysis objective is totally laughable. You don’t know a anything more than anyone else does about the situation.
If Dallas was out of the picture it would be known by now…similar to how the Dwight to LA stuff has died down because its been put out there that he would not extend with them. They are clearly players in this situation until you hear otherwise.
Nets have to make the trade, period.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 17, 2012 8:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Answer this question, please
IF both Deron and Dwight going to Dallas was both possible AND something they’d be interested in, why, oh WHY aren’t the Mavs Dwight’s first choice? Nets are. That right there tells you everything you need to know.
did I ever say that we weren't his first choice?
but just because we are being told that doesn’t mean that something else can happen. This is not set in stone until it happens man, that’s the point I’m trying to get across.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 17, 2012 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
So you're telling us with 110% confidence it's a lock he's a Net?
NI is saying it’s 50/50. And I’m supposed to believe you on intuition?
by ZR on Feb 17, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
right....
ok there buddy…if your intent to interact with me is to troll, go elsewhere with that b.s.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 17, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
so you're admitting that you're trolling, correct?
by MrDollarBills on Feb 17, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
There are various ways to interpret the preceding question. If that’s what you draw from it, who am I to say otherwise.
The eye of the beholder.
by Dopeness on Feb 17, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You did say that
You said Nets fans are arrogant for thinking we hold some advantage when we do. We have the advantage of being his top choice which is a pretty big one. Also Dwight wants to play with Deron, and we can offer him the most money and actually have a solid front office player relationship. Then of course we are by far the most realistic option for them to play together as it would take alot of help for the Mave to clear that kind of space. They would have to trade the matrix and take no salary back?
by SovietBrooklyn on Feb 17, 2012 12:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You don’t know a anything more than anyone else does about the situation.
You don’t know anything about whether I know anything more than anyone else does about the situation.
again
You are trolling. You have no point to speak of.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 17, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
your intent I see
every time you respond to me is just to start a bunch of nonsense. That is clear.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 17, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
Its a risk either way
You trade for Dwight by giving up all our assets. He and Deron can technically still bolt after the season. I believe they will do this if Dallas can muster something up. Dallas is Deron’s home town and Cuban is respected by players throughout the league.
You wait until he hits free agency, no telling what either of these guys will do either. However, in this case, at least we still have Lopez, Morrow, Brooks, and the picks.
"The trade that usually happens is the one you never hear about" - Net Income
don't think this is our choice
if Orlando comes knocking, you trade for him. Unless you have some backhand deal with Dwight, you pretty much have to pull the trigger
by anothernetsfan on Feb 17, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
great news for us so lame
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i dont care
thats a risky move they didnt need to take. could backfire immensely.
by sheepareevil on Feb 17, 2012 2:57 AM EST up reply actions
or
they could have another offensive player off of their bench
the Knicks, when they get all of their players back, could potentially be a 10 deep team. I know we hate them, but lets be honest hmm?
by MrDollarBills on Feb 17, 2012 8:18 AM EST up reply actions
Why don't the nets make the deal that will supposedly save their franchise going into brooklyn???!!!
by ballsohard2012 on Feb 17, 2012 2:57 AM EST via mobile reply actions
???
It takes two to tango bro the deal would have been done earlier this season if no for the Magic CEO.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
by Atronic on Feb 17, 2012 6:14 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
If it was up to the Nets they would
But the team who has said savior will not trade him yet. Our main trade asset hasn’t played yet this season and Orlando is hosting the All Star game and want their all star to represent them
by SovietBrooklyn on Feb 17, 2012 3:01 AM EST up reply actions
According to the Orlando Sentinel yesterday (before the Knicks got Smith)
Smith created a bit of a stir among Magic fans when he updated his Twitter bio to include the Magic on his list of potential NBA landing spots. He wrote: “NYK? LAL? LAC? CHI? ORL? iNDI?”
It’s unclear whether Smith was being serious, but Magic General Manager Otis Smith indicated to the Orlando Sentinel that his team is not considering the 6-foot-6 guard.
Do he just think JR wasn’t a fit, or does this say something about the Dwight situation?
Nothing new ... no offence to anyone !!!
If D12 goes to FA is Dal vs Nets …. duh. LA can only trade for him, so of course it would be Dal vs Nets.
However, for 1001 time. D12 mentioned many times as he also did last week. He wants to be the MAN. He can never be the man in Dal. Dirk is a Living Legend over there.
If he goes there and doesn’t win, he will be killed by the fans. In Brooklyn, however, he has no expectations, and he can build a Kingdom.
Jeremy niL is a hype on a 24 hours news world. Once they come back to earth they mean nothing. I do not see Nix as a threat. Best case scenario they are Suns East.
They can not win a chip like that.
Bring D12, build around and win a chip. You are instant Legend in these lands ….
Peace!!!
I know what you mean...this is kind of a non-article
I think we all knew it’s down to Dallas or Brooklyn if he’s a FA.
by ZR on Feb 17, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
Deron/Rivers
Brooks/Morrow
Batum/Mkg
Howard/Jordan Willaiams
Lopez/Shelden Williams
Championship 1st year.
And you’re assuming the Rockets make the playoffs then.
by JimmyLips on Feb 17, 2012 11:11 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Everyone who still discounting Dallas as a threat needs to wake up
Hopefully Woj has done that.. but reading comments.. still seems many doubt Dallas.
1) Dirk will be 35. Big deal. Dirk would be the 3rd option. Dirk is veyr respected and I think it would still be appealing for stars to play with him
2) Cuban is the best owner. Please, no more of this Proky garbage. Proky is a rich dad who lives out of state who just sends the checks. He hasnt come to one single game this year. I recognize he may be running against Putin, but still… Meanwhile, Cuban’s current and former players love him.
3) Would they take less money? I have no idea. The difference isnt huge though when you consider the tax savings (no income tax in Texas)
Obviously we have a good chance too, as we are in Dwight’s top 2 teams. But as some pointed out IF we want Dwight.. trading for him is the best option. There is no chance Deron and Dwight would leave Brooklyn TOGETHER for Dallas. That just would never happen. But.. could Dwight choose Dallas, and then Cuban and Dwight work on Deron and convince him to go there? Absolutely.
If the Nets don’t trade for Dwight, they are just insane. It will likely take nearly every asset we have.. but IF they want Deron/Dwight this is how you do it.
by orangeeater on Feb 17, 2012 7:03 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Magic may not want to deal.. what we need is this
Lopez to come out on fire and healthy
MarShon to start scoring near 20 ppg consistently
Ideally, Magic losing
Houston winning (so we have their pick to deal)
MarShon, Lopez, 2 #1 picks this year, and 2 more future #1 picks plus taking back Hedo will be the trade. Best for the franchise? Probably…
rec'd
people are KIDDING themselves. I don’t know if its the losing or what but the Nets are in no position to dare let Howard hit FA. I’d rather take my chances with Deron/Dwight/Hedo instead of playing that game in the offseason.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 17, 2012 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
Once again
I agree - you need to just take him. I’d rather have a shot at championships vs. take a ridiciulous gamble to potentially have a higher %. THat gamble can also leave us in the gutter for 3 yrs
by anothernetsfan on Feb 17, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
DB, this is how it is. Some are under the assumption Dwight is definitely BK bound. Under that thought, people don’t mind it going to Free Agency because the team looks very competitive year 1 in BK.
I believe that’s why some people don’t want to trade for him when they ‘know’ he is coming here in the summer.
I am one of those people who believes him and Deron have an agreement, and as much as I would prefer waiting to the off-season, unless it comes out that his Top 3 is: Nets Nets Nets, we MUST trade for him, eliminate any potential risk, and just build off of their foundation next season.
by JimmyLips on Feb 17, 2012 11:16 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Don't worry Mr. Single !!!
D12 is not going to FA.
Orl’s Mgmt did not get rich by being stupid. There is no way you roll the dice with a player who asked to be traded, and put your coach, gm etc under the bus.
LBJ case was totally different, D12 asked out.
Orlando will not allow him to walk ….. D12 will be a Net by Mar16 hopefully.
THe only competition is LA, which seems like they lost their mojo … Dallas would only be a player in FA, which again is not going to happen.
But they can still bolt after we trade for them
Why is it that you think both Deron and Dwight are locks with the Nets if we traded for them? I suppose you can say it improves our chances of keeping them but its not a lock.
"The trade that usually happens is the one you never hear about" - Net Income
well yea dirk at 35 IS a big deal. he's got 2 years left best case scenario.
and yea no income tax in texas, but also a dwight dwill combo is much less appealing to endorsers in texas than it is in bk
i dont think its where Dwight wants to go
its wherever Deron decides and then he will bring Dwight along to make him the alpha dog
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 17, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Linsanity actually helps the nets get Howard.
It proves winning in NY is world news. Dallas just won the championship and not even being talked a out.
by Mushman on Feb 17, 2012 7:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions
goes both ways
could also make him think the Nets will always be the littel stepchild of Knicks
by anothernetsfan on Feb 17, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
Are the Clippers the little stepchild of the Lakers anymore with Blake and Chris?
No team with Dwight and Deron is a little stepchild.
Would the Knix still be more popular? Of course.
Would we be some second rate pile of garbage or even some whatever team though? Certainly not.
The Clippers were the league’s doormat for their entire existence and are now the league’s media darling, think about that.
We maybe a recent running joke and a long time less respected team, but we are and have been above the Clips by leaps and bounds.
We get Dwight with Deron even if the Knix are more popular, we’re still instantly one of the most popular and discussed teams in the entire league.
by vincecarter4pres on Feb 17, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Nets should rebuild through the draft!!!
by ballsohard2012 on Feb 17, 2012 7:10 AM EST via mobile reply actions
You can't say that on here...
People go crazy at that suggestion…
no
its not that its a bad suggestion, its the fact that the Nets are primed to move into NEW YORK next year to compete with a Knicks team that has the attention of the entire WORLD right now
if the Nets go into BK with a rebuilding project it will be a disaster that they will never recover from.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 17, 2012 8:21 AM EST up reply actions
Once again I agree...
Great minds… great minds…
You can NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE go into NY with a losing mentality and giving away tickets. Then you’re done, you just become a permanent laughing stock of NY
by anothernetsfan on Feb 17, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Because it's an absurd suggestion
There’s no saying the Nets will be better off through the draft than by trying to make trades. It’s just not that simple. If you have a real shot at Dwight Howard, the best C of his generation, you do it. No questions asked.
by ZR on Feb 17, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
This is not exactly surprising news.
But it means one thing is for sure: the Nets must lock him up in a trade.
You’d be trading away the core of an 8-23 team plus Brook Lopez, but you are keeping it’s best player, Deron Williams. It’s really a no brainer. Billy just needs to pull the same strings he did when the Portland deal almost went through.
Lock him up by March 15th. You can’t risk Deron taking a look at this roster and then the Mavs roster. Deron is big on his Dallas roots. You can’t let them become an option.
I think it's fine.
I don't know how trading for Dwight actually locks him up
They’re both opting out regardless of whether they like the situation or not. What’s gonna stop them from seeing that they do work together and that they’d rather do it in Dallas?
come on now
if the Nets trade for Howard now they will stay. That is obvious.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 17, 2012 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
It's very obvious
The fact that we’re even talking about that is a bit baffling…
I agree with muwu
However, I do think it improves our chances of keeping them if we trade for them and start winning some games.
If we don’t win with the both of them, we’re in trouble.
"The trade that usually happens is the one you never hear about" - Net Income
1 advantage Dallas has over Nets....Coaching
Rick Carlilse has won on every team he has coached.
by Mushman on Feb 17, 2012 7:47 AM EST via mobile reply actions
1 advantage Dallas has over Nets....Coaching
Rick Carlilse has won on every team he has coached.
by Mushman on Feb 17, 2012 7:47 AM EST via mobile reply actions
oh so why did no one go to the knicks
when Isiah was running a circus and had a revolving door of coaches?
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 17, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
THIS.
Fire Johnson and hire Van Gundy - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking something when he let Van Gundy slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Feb 17, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
IF DWIGHT GOES TO FREE AGENCY
THERE IS NO WAY HE DOESNT NOT CHOOSE NETS…..nets would be the most exciting spot to go to….A) moving to a brand new billion dollar arena to be the man in the biggest city in the world. B) nets will have two first round picks and one could possibly be the number one pick in draft C) deron williams d) brook lopez e)marshon brooks f) anthony morrow f) hump…….if he goes to free agency ITS OVER…WILL OUR LUCK FINNALY CHANGE?? WE WILL SEE……WHEN IS TRADE DEADLINE??
by netsfan247 on Feb 17, 2012 7:58 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'm leaning in favor of your opinion
BUT, never count Mark Cuban out. Did anyone see Wade, Bosh and Lebron teaming up in Miami? They had been talking for a long time about getting together and no one knew about it. While i would like to assume that Deron and Dwight have agreed to play together in Brooklyn… there is no way for us to know for sure that Brooklyn is a guarantee. For all we know they are both agreeing to play together and the team itself isn’t a lock yet. Mark Cuban could easily present to them a great picture and sway their decision.
Being a Nets fan i’m convinced its Brooklyn…. But im not counting out Mark Cuban making a hard push for them. He loves winning too much and wont make it easy for us. We as Nets fans are under the assumption that the day FA starts Deron and Dwight are signing with us. I don’t see it going down like that. They will both go on their free agency tours and explore all options. Logically, it’s the smart thing to do for both of them. Ultimately, i think Brooklyn will be the choice.
Cuban is prepared
to get into it with the Nets over Williams and Howard this summer. He did not let the defensive anchor of a championship team just WALK to the Knicks for no reason at all
lets get real here. He’s going to try to pull the rug out from under Prokhorov’s feet.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 17, 2012 8:24 AM EST up reply actions
Trying and accomplishing are two very different things.
We have to move Farmar and one of Petro or stretch Shawne Williams to open up true max including Brook’s cap hold and our high lotto 1st in the even Howard hits free agency.
Cuban has to dump every last player on his roster outside of Dirk, most by this trade deadline to make it realistic just to give Deron and Dwight over $2 million less each in starting salary if the 2 would agree to split the difference evenly.
by vincecarter4pres on Feb 17, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Forgot to add...
Hump isn’t in the equation. lol If Dwight comes here we won’t be able to sign Hump unless he takes the MLE, which would be a big pay cut for him. He might do it though.
No offense...but that's not a guarantee
I agree, it’s rational. To US. Not necessarily to the outside world. Or Dwight Howard.
by ZR on Feb 17, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
I'm so turned off by the NBA this season that my perception has changed;
really, I lost COMPLETE interest in this Dwight thing. if it happens, it does. if it doesn’t, it’s the end of this team for a half decade or MORE.
all this Knicks talk around this area, like they’re the greatest team EVER. please. nothing matters until you are IN and WIN the Finals.
I don't live in NJ any more
I can only imagine what people are saying up there about the Knicks. I hear enough about them down here in VA beach.
I'm OK with this going to free agency
In that scenario Williams and Howard are an absolute lock to sign with us, writers just need something to sell, just the same way they keep mentioning LA when even Jim Buss admitted Dwight doesn’t want to go there. I just wished they were honest enough to stop saying Dallas will have enough room for both if they dump Marion.
They will have ‘enough’ though. Not enough for 2 max contracts like we will, but enough to add them.
by JimmyLips on Feb 17, 2012 11:33 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
you are stuck on the idea that Deron and Dwight need the full max to play with each other
Lebron and Wade both took less money because Florida has no income taxes(like Texas) and I think the trade off for a slightly lower starting salary paid off
a starting salary of 16 mil or 19 mil, think Deron and Dwight are sweating over that? its not that big of a difference to deter them from playing with each other in Dallas
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 17, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Again the Miami example is nothing alike
Miami was the only place those guys could play together. This is not the case for Williams and Howard, for them to play together they don’t have to take any paycuts at all, they can play together and make the max in BKN.
And again, as I pointed out to before,all Bosh, Wade and James took less, in this case you’d be asking Deron and Dwight to make less while Dirk makes 21m.
If you're gonna use the income tax angle, how about the endorsement angle?
How about all 3 in Miami still got 6 years and full raise percentages with their state taxes and lost less then $10 million each over 6 years where as Deron and Dwight will lose about $10 million over 4 years each?
by vincecarter4pres on Feb 17, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
What is the real draw for Dwight in Dallas vs Nj in free agency?
An aging Dirk? Deron being from Texas is the most overrated reasoning of all time. I really think head to head even if Cuban has as much money to offer deron and Dwight as we do, nets in free agency is still more appealing than mavs. I mean, Brooklyn vs Dallas? And our team would still have way more flexibility than Dallas. I also find it hard to believe just by gettin rid of Marion the mavs can suddenly afford dirk + 2 max contracts……
by acg5001 on Feb 17, 2012 8:20 AM EST via mobile reply actions
see
I think the problem is here, that everyone for the most part is looking at this from a Net fan’s perspective.
I mean come on two years ago we were here believing that Lebron James would sign with us, and that was the furthest thing from reality.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 17, 2012 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
will dallas try to dump contracts this March?
If they want to clear room they would have to start soon…like in a month…in the midst of being a top 4 seed and defending champion.
by BKNfastbreak on Feb 17, 2012 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
hey
they have to do what they have to do if they are serious about it.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 17, 2012 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
i'm just saying...
I’m not sure it’s ever happened in the history of sports. I wouldn’t put it past Cuban to try…but it’s not like they are a lottery/fringe playoff team dumping contracts like Miami did.
by BKNfastbreak on Feb 17, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
No
I have always looked at it reasonably. Players will make the best decision for them at that time. So how Dwight and Deron feel now is inconsiquential. We need to make Brooklyn the most appealing place to play when they hit free agency, players will quickly forget about how we sucked in the past and only think about the now. If we have a cap room, great draft picks and a new arena as well as one or two good young players I think that trumps Dirk, who I agree will still be effective at 35.
Dallas has a non absentee owner
AND a winning mentality. The Nets have a losing organization and yes moving to NY where the Knicks have just stolen the show. How did Lebron get pulled into Miami? Guess what Pat Riley said “Look I have years of winning, as a coach, as a GM” - “what do the nets have? years of losing” Who would YOU believe
by anothernetsfan on Feb 17, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
History is against us
We’re the Clippers East. We’re known throughout the league as a hard luck franchise. Dallas has the image of a winner with an owner that will win at all cost. Perception does play a huge role.
"The trade that usually happens is the one you never hear about" - Net Income
So why not trade for the star like the Clippers did?
Clippers aren’t much of a joke anymore now…
Nets are both Dwight and Deron's first option
WHY speculate about them going elsewhere? Writers love this.
No way D12 goes to Free Agency
Magic is not stupid. He gets traded after ASG. Nets r front runner so far. Fingers crossed.
im starting to not trust DWill
All the turnovers, missed defensive assignments, bad shot selection and just the look on his face. Not to mention the players he “selected” to play with this year. I understand the tough position the team is in but his body language makes me wonder. I hope he stays and Dwight comes to BK but the Nets could easily become the biggest pawn in the NBA
He's out of his comfort zone on this team...
Being asked to do too much with far too little. No one likes losing, idk why people get scared when a super star pro athlete is upset with an 8 game losing streak
it's pretty difficult to put together a team...
when limited to 1-year contracts (Stevenson, Okur, Sheldon, Shawne (w/ 2nd year option), Bogans, Hump)…and when the 2nd best player on the team misses the entire season to date…and leading the league in injuries/different lineups.
It’s excuses, but also reality.
by BKNfastbreak on Feb 17, 2012 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
what about
TMac VC JHoward CWilcox VRadmonovic AK MDunleavy SBattier
They are all on 1 yr deals
Shawne Williams? Really?
by DJ HeavyDuty on Feb 17, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
And...
most of those guys wouldn’t come to the Nets to be a 1-year rental on a fringe playoff team…and possibly traded to Orlando mid-season.
by BKNfastbreak on Feb 17, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Manny Pacquiao to meet with Jeremy Lin
Nets better get Dwight and Deron together soon or the Nets will be dead on arrival in Brooklyn.
http://teampilipinas.info/2012/02/pacquiao-to-meet-nbas-lin-in-new-york.html
no no let him hit free agency
we’ll be fine, just like that summer when we swore that we were gonna get Lebron!
pfft….
by MrDollarBills on Feb 17, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
do u not understand that there is an IMMENSE difference between the lebron situation and this one?
to compare the two is insane
even then people said that if Brooklyn was here we would be contenders
I hindsight we wouldn’t, but you can’t compare the past. Nobody wanted to play in an empty arena in Jersey.
And if you try to tell me that Brooklyn will be empty or that New Jersey will be packed with Dwight all I have to say is that the Meadowland could not sell out a team that went to back-to-back championships. I wouldn’t say its a sure thing, but I would bet the the lure of Brooklyn will be strong.
All this talk...
Is starting to douB like the world attempting to convince themselves of the inevitable. Cautious optimism remains, but every week it’s a new team dashing the Nets plans, only to be forgotten the following week when a new rumor involving a different team pops up.
no it isn't
there have been three teams consistently mentioned: Nets, Mavs, Lakers. Nets are always listed as the top option. I think this is out there as a reminder that while getting Dwight in FA is better for us basketball wise, business wise it could be a fatal mistake if we underestimate Mark Cuban.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 17, 2012 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
Understood...
But I see a field of variables and only one constant. When Dwight requests a trade to any other team in the league, I’ll worry. I do agree that if we can trade for him we should. Cuban is still rising the wave of last year’s Chip, and this may be the teams last chance before a post-Dirk rebuild is in order
I keep forgetting the main point...
It won’t be our choice whether we trade for Dwight or get him in free agency, it will be Dwight’s and Orlando’s, so in all reality, all this discussion, debate, bickering and speculation is pointless.
It’s not the illusion a lot of fans on both sides of the argument think. It’s not like Dwight will be offered to us and we’ll say, F that, no deal, we’re waiting for free agency.
We have talked to Dwight.
Deron and Dwight talk.
It’s his decision first and foremost and afterwords DeVos’ what he’s going to do with him.
by vincecarter4pres on Feb 17, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
I really can't imagine this going to free agency.
Magic would be left with nothing.
"Beware the Ides of March."
I’m sure Nets are talking constantly with Howard’s agent, and they’re discussing every possibility. I’m sure Nets have told Fegan—-If Dwight signs in free-agency, we can keep Lopez and a top 10 pick. If Dwight likes this idea, then Nets could let deadline pass. It’s very risky, but if there ’s trust between Fegan and King, then it could happen.
"Beware the Ides of March."
I would agree
it is better for the Nets to sign him to a FA contract instead of gutting the roster.
I do not agree with the DWill wants to go home to Dallas theory.
He knows the money and exposure outside of balling is here in NYC.
The question is about Dwight though, he waivers in his statements so you can never really know which way he is headed.
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Feb 17, 2012 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
gutting the roster?
what roster??? I’d rather have Dwight/Deron right now instead of taking that risk. This roster is not worth holding onto, we are 8-23 I don’t care who is injured the Nets have to make this deal to remain relevant and competitive in this area or they are done.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 17, 2012 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
So true.
Gutting a playoff roster, or even a competitive roster is one thing… Gutting a squad of d-leaguers and injury-prone has-beens/never-were’s is a no brainer. My 6 year old coil start at the 3 with Dwight + Deron
I would rather have them now too
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Feb 17, 2012 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
Even if we trade before the deadline Dwight and Deron will both be free agents
There is no guarantee that they will sign if we trade now either, so there is a risk.
you wouldn't keep Lopez or Humphries?
or Brooks?
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Feb 17, 2012 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
It's a choice to make...
And it isn’t even close. If Cuban is willing to start over (10 months after winning a ring) with only Dirk, why are we afraid to do the same with only Deron? We have nothing to lose
A top 10...potentially top 5 lottery pick...
in a DEEP draft is a HUGE asset. If Lopez comes back healthy…he is a HUGE asset.
by BKNfastbreak on Feb 17, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
huge assets to trade
for Dwight Howard.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 17, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
Nets are desperate...
I don’t think the Nets can afford to gamble at this point…too much at stake.
by BKNfastbreak on Feb 17, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
there is no such thing as “trusting” anyone
Billy King “trusted” Otis Smith when he told him that the Magic will agree to the original trade. How did that work out
or when the Cavs “trusted” Carlos Boozer to resign with them
these people are a bunch of snakes man.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 17, 2012 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
Who knows what’s going on behind the scenes. But, we’ll know soon enough ;)
"Beware the Ides of March."
I'll marry you after the abortion
Official Member of DO NOT TRADE MARSHON Society!
To be successful, apparently Avery's Defense System requires it to be manned by NBA All-Defensive Team.
the key here is that...
the Nets have permission to talk to Fegan throughout the process, Dwight & Deron obviously talk and have a history. Deron & BK talk constantly.
The media, us fans…are usually the last to know what’s going on.
The plan may be in flux, but let’s be honest…these guys are all setting things up behind the scenes.
by BKNfastbreak on Feb 17, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
wow...i really thought this team could stay within 10 games of .500
but being 15 under…well, the season is over.
Dwight? Right. I’ll believe it when I see it. Right now I wonder if we’ll be 20 games under .500 by next weekend.
There's going to be a bunch of Frustrated Nets fans come March 15
I’ve already accepted the fact we’re not getting Dwight. Laughing stock teams in every sport carry a stigma which is not easy to get rid of. I’m telling you, something is going to happen in Clipper-land that’s going to destroy their season. Why? Cuz they’re the Clippers.
I know this has been discussed..
But I couldn’t find the relevant thread. Is there a way to hide specific users’ comments? Would make it a lot more enjoyable reading through the comments without having to see the same negative babble every three posts.
well
maybe adding something to the discussion, or debating the points being raised in a civil manner would enhance your experience?
by MrDollarBills on Feb 17, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the tip!
But i’ll continue to use NetsDaily as I would like. Now, if someone would help me with the question I asked?
Your arrogance is staggering.
Especially for someone who ignores blatant fact and obvious information out there and uses smoke and mirrors to push his opinion/agenda on those that come here not only to have fun but to learn.
You’re like Reefer Madness of the ND comments section.
You’ll make a fine politician one day! Reach for the stars!
by vincecarter4pres on Feb 17, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
Become a fan of another team..preferably a good team…there, you will find tons of optimism cuz their team’s management knows what they’re doing.
give them whatever they want
we can’t take the risk of him making it to free agency. someone made a lottery analogy before. here’s mine for the situation: if trading for dwight is winning the lottery, trying to sign him in free agency is playing the mega millions while spending all of your savings for the ticket.
in other words, if we let him get to free agency, we could lose everything.
A shot at Dwight via free agency is still the dream scenario
As long as the situation is Orlando (foolishly) keeps him the rest of the year, we’re in a good position. Brooklyn is still a big enough market compared with Dallas. Just as Howard isn’t too hot about just inheriting somebody else’s legacy, so too with Deron. They can start something great together.
A healthy Lopez is probably at least a 22 and 8 player alongside Deron, which is great for a future Twin Towers set-up or as trade asset for a wing. Looks like right now we’ll end up with a lotto pick and maybe even the Houston pick. We keep Marshon. It’s as good a situation as any if Dwight’s coming over in the offseason.
I still think it’s likely Dwight gets dealt and hopefully to us but if Orlando keeps him for the season, it’s all good.
Part of the frustration is the media
If Nets are in their own city and when reporters trash the team for having a bad season, fans would know though that the reporters care for the team as much as the fans do since it’s the only team in town.
Here in the tri-state area, when the Nets get trashed by the media it’s cuz they have fun doing it. When Nets do good, they don’t get nearly as much hype as the Knicks do. Kidd should’ve been glorified despite the lack of marketing and despite the empty IZOD.
The media around here chose to overlook Kidd’s accomplishments, and it probably cost him a couple of MVPs those first two seasons. Can you imagine if NY continued to preach how Kidd should be MVP every other day, then maybe those votes go to Kidd.
The Nets are in a tough situation. Moving to Brooklyn will help cuz NY is full of bandwagon and fair-weathered fans…but the reporters around here will still want to give the Knicks their attention. D12 means a whole lot to what this team is trying to do. And crazy thing is, no matter how many times other media outlets in the country say were at the top of the list….the NY media ignores it….they don’t want the Nets to get Dwight.
Agreed
If Kidd was doing what he was doing for the NY Knicks instead, there’s not a doubt in my mind that he would have been MVP at least the year Duncan got it. We did not get the media attention we deserved during the Kidd years, and that certainly hurt us in terms of adding to our core as well as adding to our already small fanbase.
Dolan owns Newsday
which I believe is somehow connected to NY Post and/or NY daily news.
if we gut our team for dwight, we could easily fill out the rest of the roster using cheap veteran free agents
say we trade lopez, brooks, farmar, james, okur, petro, stevenson, and our pick for howard and turkoglu, we could easily just roll with this lineup for the rest of the year
williams/gaines
morrow/emmett
turk/extra e
humphries/j williams
howard/she williams
we’d sneak in the playoffs as a 7 or 8, get bounced in the first round, and then go sign ray alllen for the MLE, kenyon martin for the mini-MLE, and jkidd and tmac for the vets min (last hurrah!!). we could then pick meyers leonard with the houston pick, and go to brooklyn with this
williams/kidd/gaines
allen/morrow
turk/tmac/extra e
hump/martin/shelden
howard/leonard/shelden
sure, maybe its unrealistic that we could get all those guys, but this is at least the type of team we could build.
if a trade for howard is on the table, we do it, no questions asked.
This is getting ugly
Can any of you imagine giving up maybe Anthony Davis, Brook Lopez , MarShon Brooks and maybe another pick in this draft.
Would ,
Lopez,Okur
Davis,Humph
Houston pick/freeagent
Brooks,Morrow
Deron, Farmer
,, not be more interesting than Dwight & Deron? I hope the Nets don’t give of Brooks and picks. There’s no garuntee we trade our lives away like the Knicks and A Lin falls in our lap.
by Zartan on Feb 17, 2012 9:23 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Renaldo Balkman anyone?
JR Smith is expected to sign with the Knicks today and the Knicks are expected to cut Balkman to clear a spot.
We need a defensive SF and Balkman might make sense.
Starshon Brooks A.K.A the Swag Mamba
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Feb 17, 2012 9:23 AM EST reply actions
was thinking about that last night
but y has the dood never really gotten consistent playing time in both Denver and NY? He may be the ‘Johan Petro’ of SFs…aka ‘Outlaw syndrome’.
we already have one former Knick player
aint working so well
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Sheldon IS SheWill
you meant Shawne and SheWill
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by Taylor Made on Feb 17, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
For the minimum, why not
Balkman could be a healthy Damion James kind of player. At least he’ll (hopefully) be fighting in there instead of chucking away for nothing like Shawne Will. SF beggars can’t be choosers.
So true,
SF beggars can’t be choosers.
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by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Feb 17, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
Would have to cut someone.
I really don’t think he would help this team anyway. We have enough one-dimensional players as it is, in my opinion.
cut Emmett
D-WIll + D12 = NETS 2012 Champs (with lots of luck)
by corky_romano4life on Feb 17, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
cut James
I realize his contract is a trade asset, but we need players
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by Taylor Made on Feb 17, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
No Lakers?
That makes this a piece of cake
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someone needs to photoshop that and trade Brook and Dwight's jerseys..
by orangeeater on Feb 17, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I know.
On this website where they do NBA photoshops I always ask for Dwight on the Nets and they never answer. I don’t really like any of the Dwight Nets on uni the internet,
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by BrooklynNets8 on Feb 17, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
Wondering if King is working a sign and trade
involving Wilson Chandler.
Wouldnt that be awesome.
Highly doubtful, though. He has said he plans to return to Denver, most likely on a multiyear deal. I don’t see us committing to multiple years for anyone before Dwight is traded, nor do I think we’d have the assetts Denver would want in return for Chandler.
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by NJ4Life on Feb 17, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Or even better...
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Dr. J~Super Buck~Draz~JKidd~Deron
What I wouldn't give for it to be '03 again
by NJ4Life on Feb 17, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
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by Kmart6nets on Feb 17, 2012 10:15 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
D12 to Nets at the deadlIne, Avery has been informed to start making the pick worth it, thus 8 game losing streak, we were doing to well there for a while, so we’ve held guys back, and took our foot off leads to get to this point…………That has to be the explanation!! A guy can dream
by Killer_Rich on Feb 17, 2012 10:29 AM EST via mobile reply actions
How about Shawn Marion to the Wolves for Beasley?
pg- rubio
sg- ridnour
sf— marion
pf- love
c- pekovic
trading marion isnt impossible
Two things
1— If the Knicks cut Balkman, we should cut A. Emmett and sign him immediately for the minimum. Solid guy. Plays DEFENSE. And has gotten better offensively.
2— I don’t care what Orlando wants. If they agree to trade Dwight, we give them everything and anything besides Deron.
D-WIll + D12 = NETS 2012 Champs (with lots of luck)
by corky_romano4life on Feb 17, 2012 10:51 AM EST reply actions
Heres our dilemma the way I see it..
If we have the chance to trade for D12 in March we have to do it because we are desperate. BUT, in order for this team to be a contender very soon we really need to sign him in FA because Im not one of those people that thinks “Deron and Dwight > ANYTHING” You need a TEAM to win and keeping guys like Marshon and our lottery pick are the best ways to do that.
As Mr. DB said, the Knicks suddenly look like a 10 deep team. We already know what the Bulls and Heat are. Deron and Dwight sounds great but are those two, with just filler around them, really a deep playoff team?
He's got the reputation to always get the benefit of the doubt
but even if Dirk is a superstar, you have to ask the question “for how much longer?”. Dwight and Deron better think that over for a really long time
yeah 6 rpg, .549 TS%, 19.3 PER is terrible for a 7 footer
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 17, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
I still fail to understand why Deron and Dwight couldn't bolt for Dallas even if we trade for Dwight
Yeah they might find success here playing together. But wouldn’t they be able to carry that same success over to Dallas? What will the Nets have that Dallas won’t have?
Don’t understand why trading for Dwight means they’re staying when it’s clear they’re not signing extensions
If we are able to sign Dwight in free agency however, we'll have several young talents the Mavs don't have
and much more depth than if we gave it all away in a trade
I don't see a conclusion to this situation by deadline...
the fact that Marshoon has dropped his value and Brook’s return being still far away, there’s nothing for Otis out there.
They might be better off gambling on sticking with Howard and praying for a Finals appearance.
I don’t care if there’s a risk of losing Howard if he can be paired with Brook. Billy took a big risk trading for Deron and now might as well take another one, most certainly securing GM of the Year.
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
how is brook return far away he could play tomorrow
or did i miss something
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Feb 17, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
I've not heard much of Brook lately.
If that’s the case, I’m thrilled. :-)
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
yeah there should be an update today
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Feb 17, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
come out of retirement sign him nets
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More MarShon Please
Who does photoshop here?
Could you do Dwight and Deron in the same picture by cutting Deron out of this picture and putting him in one of Dwight’s?
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is dwight trying to do a #12 to the camera but not realizing it should be the other way around?
by Versifiervt on Feb 17, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and why didn't the cameraman correct him?
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7 All Star appearances?
IDK, I haven’t looked it up but I believe that is what it stands for.
by vincecarter4pres on Feb 17, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
lets pick him up NOT
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I have heard that Renaldo Balkman likely will be cut to make room for JR Smith.
More MarShon Please
nah
he was on a team that’s needed defense but still only got limited time. And he’s had chances to prove himself. Pass.
by Versifiervt on Feb 17, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Why not?
If he clears waivers, I’d rather have him for the minimum over the remainder of the season than Emmett.
yeah why not
if it doesn’t work out, he can always be cut
“I was disappointed,” Van Gundy said, referring to some fans as the back end of a donkey. “Our fans are normally better than that. I don’t like it. …. I don’t know what would compel you to say things at Glen Davis.”
Ryan Anderson said “it was disrespectful, almost shocking to hear” Davis get booed, adding that Dwight Howard was upset. Anderson was shocked because “the other team doesn’t get boos” from the home crowd.
“It was bothering everybody,” Anderson said. "Dwight was standing up and saying, ‘Are you serious?’ "
More MarShon Please
I had Alex Kennedy from HoopsWorld on my radio show last night
He said he thinks the Magic will NOT trade Dwight and obviously, he wants the Nets.
FIRE JESSICA TAFF
so he thinks dwight will hit FA and sign with the nets
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Feb 17, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
If we never traded Ryan Anderson
We could’ve packaged him and Brook together with picks for Dwight and kept Marshon.
…or felt better about letting Marshon go.
if only Machelle Beadle stayed with YES
the losing would be that much easier to watch
by Versifiervt on Feb 17, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
The Window is Closing - Maybe Closed
I think the Nets missed their chance. I think he now goes to the Knicks. Don’t laugh. It’s real. I hate the Knicks. But they have stolen the city from us. We had a small chance with the BluePrint to steal the city. But the Knicks have done everything right : Melo, Billups, Tyson, Good drafts in Fields and SHump, and JR SMith, and Amare. and with the help of the gods, Lin. In that time, we have one good draft in MarShon and two bad drafts, no free agents of any importance and Deron who can walk to Dallas. They were in shambles two years ago and we had a million assetts but they got it done in steps while we waited for the Home Run: Lebron, Melo, Howard. Three strikes and you are out! Masterful in Madison. Hopeful in Newark. We missed the boat and if King misses on Howard, we have nothing. If Howard wants NYC than I say MSG is a better bet than Brooklyn (as they now have assets in bunches and we have little to offer) and if Howard wants to play with Deron then Dallas is a better fit than Brooklyn. Hey, I can even see the Knicks getting both: Melo and Shump for DWill and Tyson and Fields for Howard. But why do they need Deron with Lin? Dallas. first. Knicks Second. Nets 3rd. Lakers 4.
what. what? what!
yes, Dwight Howard is signing for the minimum with the Knicks to play with Lin MVP.
by stenpoint on Feb 17, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
what are you talking about? obviously you don’t know much at all about this. What you just said bout DH12 going to the Knicks is downright improbable. Even though everything isn’t impossible… but you pretty much just said the closest thing to that… unreal.
by njnets2010 on Feb 17, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
agree with you
let’s just not put any team out of the mix…even if they’re not on Dwight’s list. Not suggesting the Knicks have a great shot or that the reports we keep hearing are false, but we’ll know the truth once 3/15 comes around.
by Versifiervt on Feb 17, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Chandler won't get the Knicks Howard
c’mon, try harder
Anything is possible
Especially that everyone wants to be a Knick for the right price.
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We missed the boat? LMFAO
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by NetsKiNG on Feb 17, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i wish we could snag wilson chandler...
that boy would fill our gap in SF perfectly but its dwight or nothing at this point
We'll get our own Wilson Chandler in the draft with the Rockets pick.
Jeff Taylor.
Kid can ball.
If we have to trade for Dwight I think we’ll get to at least keep the Rockets pick and that’s exactly Taylor’s range, 12 to 20.
by vincecarter4pres on Feb 17, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
I think the Mavs can clear the space, but it won't matter
The problem is the sales pitch to Dwight and Deron. Sure, it’ll be Deron’s home, but Dirk’s contract ties up their cap to the tune of $22 million until 2014. The Nets have nothing CLOSE to that salary commitment.
Nets option:
- Some picks
- Maybe Lopez if he signs a reasonable contract, if not then it clears space for more players
- Some cap space
- Some exceptions.
Mavs option:
- $22 million to a 37-year-old dirk until the 2014/2015 season
- Dirk’s contract eats their flexibility far more than even a Lopez re-up
- The third best player they signed in order to play with retiring in 2 years, then having to rebuild pieces AGAIN.
So I’m not even that scared of FA. If the Mavs can clear the space, the deck is still stacked in the Nets favor IMO.
Dwight Howard will go wherever Deron decides to go, (if he makes it to FA, which he shouldnt)
if deron truely wants to go play in his old home town, then he will leave and go to Dallas, and Dwight will follow…. if Deron wants to be a part of something that’s never been seen before, Basketball in Brooklyn, then he will stay and dwight will be the king of Brooklyn. Dallas is a cool city and all, but NYC is the Mecca of basketball, idc what anyone says.
Brooklyn/NYC > Dallas/Fort Worth
Totally agree Deron = Dwight and vice versa so if you can head of the horse at the past then make the trade!
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It's official. I hate this guy
LIN is ALL OVER NBA.com. They’re overhyping this guy to Linsane levels.
And that’s right ladies and gentlemen. That one headline is a promotion that he is now a top 10 NBA MVP candidate:
OK so.
I have been reading some of these comments and I am really confused by some things that people say…someone mentioned how dirk is going to be 35 next season I believe? Could be totally wrong on the number but regardless, what does that have to do with anything? So he is going to be 35 meaning his years in the league are coming to an end but if they have Deron and Dwight then its the same situation they would be in with the nets. If Howard and Deron play in Brooklyn it will only be those TWO helping the team with some nice pieces around them but I find it hard to believe you will find a nicer piece than Dirk even if he is older! To me that argument just doesn’t make sense. If they both go to Dallas and Dirk retires it leaves them in the same situation as if they both came to Brooklyn. I would love nothing more than to see a competitive Brooklyn Nets team and watch them have success but to say they are better off coming to Brooklyn because Dirk is getting old just doesn’t have any relevance to the entire situation.
by yanksdevsjetsnets on Feb 17, 2012 2:16 PM EST reply actions
IMprobable?
Why? That Lin is playing this well was considered improbable two weeks ago. Why wouldn’t the Knicks get him? They are as likely as La, Mavs, or nets. Remember he named NY, LA and Dallas. Last time I checked MSG is in NY. Their assets are valued a lot higher than ours. Ours are injured. We do not know what Orlando values. They say they don’t like Lopez. Is that real or is that to drive up the price? Who knows.Lopez has many flaws. Chandler is a better fit for them than Lopez. Melo is a star. Lin, Shump and Fields are good solid young talent that we cannot match. We have draft picks, but let’s say they want to stay a solid team and not rebuild. I love Lopez, but his flaws are large and they would not be nearly as competitive with him, but might be with Chandler, Melo, or whatever else the Knicks throw at them.
But really, I fear Dallas the most. Marion comes off the books, as does Kidd, and they let go so many players. They can do it, too.
This is another Lebron " the decision", Melodrama
if he doesn’t publicly admit he wants to play for the Brooklyn Nets and them only then its pointless to get dragged into this. My idea is to trade D-will for Russel Westbrook or for Stephen Curry & SF Klay Thompson, Draft Anthony Davis and just develop. A year or 2 into Brooklyn, this team would be nice.
PG – Russel Westbrook
SG – Marshon Brooks
SF – BOG / Thompson
PF – Anthony Davis
C – Brook Lopez
Young & Reckless NETS lol
NJ/Brooklyn Nets or Die ! ... or get smacked
I don’t see why the mavs have even a slim chance! They have players that will be at the end of their career soon! They are old and if the do get dwight and d-will eventually they will have to add different players! If dwight comes to the nets we have nothing but young players and they will contend for at least 10 years or so! The chemistry created will be enormous! But the time is up for these teams that have always been winning! To be specific the LAKERS! Teams like The nets the kings pacers indiana bulls heat and so many others will start running the league! I can’t tell you how tired of the lakers I am!
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