ESPN Tries Its Hand At D12 Trades
by Net Income on Feb 13, 2012 11:34 AM EST
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Austin Link, writing for ESPN Insider, suggests that while the Magic are not going to get equal value for Dwight Howard they can get a good deal that will load up their roster with good young players and offers three scenarios involving the Bulls, Nets and Lakers (in a three team deal with the Rockets). Never mind that Chicago isn't on Howard's list.
In the Nets scenario, the Magic get Brook Lopez, Marshon Brooks, Kris Humphries, Jordan Farmar, Mehmet Okur, and a first-round pick in return for Howard and Hedo Turkoglu. "That's a good amount of overall talent in return for Howard," writes Link, who notes the Nuggets and Jazz got similar talent for Carmelo Anthony and Deron Williams..
"There is room for successful teams in the NBA that don't have an elite player, but instead have many good ones," he concludes. "If Orlando can get quality assets in return for Howard, its future doesn't have to be a disaster."
- How Orlando Magic can win Dwight Howard trade - Austin Link - ESPN Insider
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seems about right to me.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Not hump ANF Memo; one will go IMO, not both.
Replace Hump with Petro and you got a deal, I would even sweeten the deal with another pick if they take Petro.
pullleeeeze
if the Magic want both, they will get both. They are expiring deals. Nets couldnt commit to either beyond one year. Hump would have to give his permission.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
I'm just saying that if in case we do have leverage (if D12 has stated that it's Brooklyn or nothing).
I don’t thing Hump will be a deal breaker, especially if he doesn’t accept the trade.
ORL has no choice but to accept something else.
I’m one of those that will give anything (including Beyonce) for Dwight, don’t get me wrong.
I don't think there really is any choice...
Unless Dwight is adamant that he won’t sign with anyone else and makes it absurdly clear. They are getting whoever they want until it gets stupid. This proposed trade is “almost stupid” but not stupid enough.
by anothernetsfan on Feb 13, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 13, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
at least they didnt ask for Petro
next Magic Johnson right there, just need to get more talent around him
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 13, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
proposed trade...
In the Nets scenario, the Magic get Brook Lopez, Marshon Brooks, Kris Humphries, Jordan Farmar, Mehmet Okur, and a first-round pick in return for Howard and Hedo Turkoglu.
…and will we be calling up the Springfield Amor to fill up our roster therafter? : /
by Whoop Dee Damn Doo on Feb 13, 2012 11:38 AM EST reply actions
5 for 2
gives the Nets 12 players, 10 healthy with James and Bogans out.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
once we get dwight a third player will come
i could see josh smith fitting in perfectly with d will and howard, especially on defense, josh smith and howard on the court at the same time would be the most lethal defense the nba has seen in decades
by King Of Russia on Feb 14, 2012 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
funny thing is...
to get Dwight you have to do it… waiting until the offseason doesn’t guarentee ANYTHING.
by Whoop Dee Damn Doo on Feb 13, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
If we can get away with keeping hump...
Dwill Dwight hump isn’t a bad start. Hopefully bogs does well here and the Houston pick is good. People will come for less
hump is an unrestricted free agent in July
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Truth forgot we only got him on a 1
I’m sure he’d like to stay but he’s gonna want some money
He's got the numbers to prove it
But if you watch him night in and night out, you know he’s only a backup PF – but a very good one.
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"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Which is probably why ppl don't want him traded
makes it a little easier to fill out roster
not really
D-Will/Gaines
Morrow/Stevenson
Hedo/Shawne
Shelden/Jordan
Dwight/Petro
frontcourt will be an issue but guys like Przybilla are still lingering out there and Earl still has to return from China. but they can easily waive or let most of those guys walk next year and replace them with Caron Butlers and David Wests but on Udonis Haslem money
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 13, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So what?
It’s not about this season, it’s about Brooklyn. Hump and Okur are a combined $18M in expiring contracts, no?
It’s about getting Dwight freaking Howard.
by ZR on Feb 13, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So after giving away good draft picks and good young players
And beings saddled with Max deals for Deron and Dwight and Hedos absurd contract where do we find quality depth again? Even with Deron and Dwight you need a decent Pf and you need one all star level wing to compete for a chip. How do we get one with no cap, no draft picks and no trade chips left? And IMO we are giving away said player(Marshon) in this proposed deal.
If it’s REALLY about winning why put your new team in position where they can’t really improve? Dwight needs to play the All Star game and publicly man up.
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by MrBDown on Feb 13, 2012 6:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why not just throw D. Will, Morrow, Petro and everybody else who is a Net
Yuck @ that trade
Lopez: "I'll stop being lazy and go after every rebound"
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by cedaghost on Feb 13, 2012 11:38 AM EST via Android app reply actions
you guys are dreaming
thats about what it will take.
give up ONE pick out of two, and the core of an 8-21 team? OHMIGOD.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Feb 13, 2012 11:40 AM EST reply actions 10 recs
i dont think we have to though
The time for them to dump hedo on us has passed. We have no other offers out there to compare ours with. No need for humphries, marshon AND a pick? I’d play hardball with orlando and let dwights agent know to tell orlando the same thing. Trade anywhere but jersey, lose him for nothing.
by 1stnamelastname on Feb 13, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
It is?
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
I'm with you NI
This deal beats the one from December where we gave up at least 5 picks. I know we are including Marshon, but he alone is not worth 4 draft picks.
definitely , I dont know why all these so called fans are attached to mediocre players on one year deals?
The Hardest thing for some men to do is .... Believe what they see!
Don't disagree, but
They accepted Lopez + Wallace + 1 pick when they had time to think and negotiate.
At the deadline they’ll be under the gun. I don’t think Billy wants to create any enemies in this business by low balling (knowing D12 is Nets or nothing) but I do think he has room to negotiate here.
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thats what im saying
He doesnt have to low ball them but we have room to negotiate.
by 1stnamelastname on Feb 13, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
look at like this
do you really want to open the door for Dallas or Chicago or Boston to sniff a chance or give the Lakers more time to dupe another team into facilitating a deal for them
get the house and foundation down first before you worry about interior design
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 13, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
if we don't force a better deal we could be stuck in mediocrity for a long time. just like orlando
excuse my bad english please
by -Seiti- on Feb 13, 2012 12:11 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
orlando
that wins 50 games every year and was in the finals in 2009? that orlando? please let us be stuck where they are. PLEASE.
we know how well that worked out for them
excuse my bad english please
by -Seiti- on Feb 13, 2012 3:14 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
While I agree
There has to be some tact used here. If Dwight is indeed saying Nets or nothing, then why would we give up absolutely everything and make the same mistake the Knicks did?
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Correct me if I'm wrong
but even if the Nets get Howard, keep DWill, and keep Morrow, we still have some cap space left over, no? If we had Dwight and DWill we would no longer have to worry about free agents visiting, saying the Nets said the right things, and then signed elsewhere.
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Classic NETS.
depends on who we take back from orl turk maybe duhon
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Feb 13, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
If Turk is on board, that eats up a ton
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and our current SF is???
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
-1
you know we are a 8-21 team because of tons of injuries. can we really afford to give up nearly every talanted player on our roster and take back hedos huge contract? i know we have to get howard but i dont understand why we have to give orlando everything they want when its their player who wants to play for us
excuse my bad english please
by -Seiti- on Feb 13, 2012 12:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
uh no
the core of an 8-21 team is Deron, Petro, Farmar, Hump and Sheldon
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But part of that core you mentioned namely Brook Lopez hasn't even played this season
Are we 8-21 with Brook?
I can see a .500 team or better with Brook. We have absolutely no post presence at all. And how many games has Marshon Missed? And we are taking back Hedo too? He is finished and has a HORRENDOUS DEAL. Why should we pay that much if Dwight wants to be here?
The freakish 20/20 games are real nice but with Brooks better offensive game and better ft % we would be getting 30/12’s from Brook. Defense ok I get it. Stardom ok I get it. But Dwight will be playing in Brooklyn. Brook suffered through New Jersey.
And I still think Brook is still growing 23 now? Never with a good team around him?
I hope he comes back and gives us the Lin effect. Then suddenly things change. And Okur hasn’t played really this season either.
CAN WE GET HEALTHY BEFORE WE START JUDGING OUR TEAM ??? how many other teams are starting third string and dleague players on a nightly basis?
I LOVE IT!!!
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by MrBDown on Feb 13, 2012 6:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
take out marhson and take houston pick and i would do it
by Pure baller15 on Feb 13, 2012 11:40 AM EST via mobile reply actions
disagree, i'd rather keep one of the picks
never know houston’s pick might fall between 15-20. King got Marshon at 25 in a “weak” draft. 2012 is projected to be 2003. 96, 84-85 deep
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 13, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
keeping a 2012 first rounder would be huge...
not for the rookie the Nets could draft, but in a trade along with expiring contracts going to a team wanting to rebuild and dump a player. It happens all the time, especially when teams start drooling over potential draft picks.
by BKNfastbreak on Feb 13, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
misunderstood me
Replace our 1st with houston first
And replace marshon for nothing or bogss
by Pure baller15 on Feb 13, 2012 12:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hate that trade
But its probably the inevitable. They’ll get us. Hopefully BK has some way of low balling them if its Nets or Bust
by djeterfan on Feb 13, 2012 11:41 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Why are we still looking at scenarios with the Bulls?
smh
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by eLonepb on Feb 13, 2012 11:42 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
If jeremy lin didnt emerge
im sure we’d be looknig at knick scenarios also.
by 1stnamelastname on Feb 13, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I'm surprised that hasn't put them BACK in the scenario mix
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
How long...
until we start hearing the “Lin & Amare for Dwight?” BS?
That's probably the trade that's going to happen.
I don’t mind it because Farmar is going to opt out anyway, Hump and Okur are on one year deals anyway and would probably not be nets next year. So we are really just giving up Lopez, Brooks and a first. That’s not bad at all!
http://worldaroundsports.wordpress.com/
That's not a bad way to look at it...
I’d rather we keep MarShon and ship out morrow, but since Dwight mentioned A.Morrow, I guess he’s untouchable.
by Chakroot on Feb 13, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Totally agree.
I’d love to be rooting for Marshon in 10 years. The only thing better than this scenario is just waiting for D12 to become a free agent and just sign him, and give up no talent.
by Will Hammerstein on Feb 13, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
but here is where we can milk em
If dwight is brooklyn only and only if ill give them lopez farmar okur and cash and a second round pick at best
by Pure baller15 on Feb 13, 2012 11:44 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Can someone copy and paste the full article?
I’m interested to see what the other proposed trades were.
http://worldaroundsports.wordpress.com/
These were them
To Chicago: Dwight Howard
To Orlando: Joakim Noah, Taj Gibson, Jimmy Butler, C.J. Watson and Charlotte first-round pick
To New Jersey: Dwight Howard, Hedo Turkoglu
To Orlando: Brook Lopez, Marshon Brooks, Kris Humphries, Jordan Farmar, Mehmet Okur, first-round pick
To Los Angeles: Dwight Howard, Luis Scola, Jameer Nelson
To Houston: Pau Gasol, Matt Barnes, LAL first-round pick
To Orlando: Andrew Bynum, Kevin Martin, Goran Dragic, Chandler Parsons
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Why the hell do we give up more than Chicago yet we also has to take Turk?
Bias…
by J-Nasty on Feb 13, 2012 11:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
because 3 of the 5 nets players have been injured this year
one hasnt even touched the court this year, another seems to have little to no future with the magic if he goes and the other has only played 15-20 games
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 13, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
first-round pick is not specified.
If we give them Houstons instead of ours, I would drive Marshon down south on my passat.
Not a big fan of the third trade for Houston.
Especially to empower a conference rival.
by Anthony Perez on Feb 13, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
wow this is ridiculous
The Bulls don’t give up anything? What kind of jk is this?
LA gets howard and scola? hahahaha
We give up the most even though were dwight’s prefered destination, this is such BS.
Doesn't matter what dwight's preferred destination is...
….what matters is that he gets dealed to a team which he won’t veto, and can provide the Magic with the best assets.
So we NEED to give up the most.
My point was that this guy has us giving up the most
How doesn’t it matter that were his preffered destinatio? Our deal was better than the knicks and they still got Melo even though Melo said that he never said he wouldn’t sighn with the nets. So that were his preffered destination should matter, but that’s not my point anyway.
The Nets might end up doing this trade but why is this guy putting a trade scenario where the bulls don’t give up anything compared to us. Magic would be better off letting dwight walk than to take that Bulls trade. This guy is being biased.
If they want Brooks AND the #1 pick
I say no to Hedo.
There is SOME leverage King has here I think, if indeed it is true that Dwight will only commit long term to the Nets.
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by eLonepb on Feb 13, 2012 11:46 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
True
They agreed to a B Lopez, First rd pick with G Wallace. There is no need to include both Brooks and the first round pick. I dont wanna be in KNicks situation. Give the whole team away.
Either Brooks or our first 1st rd pick. Certainly not BOTH.
they got 2 SG
why would they do it? Thats what many peaple get it twisted, thisrty to write another post
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 13, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
take back Richardson instead?? I think we need to eat a bad contract here.
But these trades don’t make sense… Isn’t it understood that a 3rd (or even a 4th) team will be brought in to appease the criminally-insane Orlando FO?
we cant come into this trying to make it an unfair trade
It already unfair were getting the best center in the league but ill try so hard to keep morrow and marshon
by Pure baller15 on Feb 13, 2012 11:47 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Beat writers undervalue Lopez
But I don’t think GM’s do. At least they didn’t before the injury. We can’t forget that Otis ACCEPTED a deal of Lopez + Wallace + 1 pick.
Nobody can offer a player of Lopez’s caliber. It really should just be Lopez + some fillers, but I imagine in the end we’ll be giving up Brooks.
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if they accepted that then change their minds
Why should we reward that.
Billy do the right thing marshon should be off the table
by Pure baller15 on Feb 13, 2012 11:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
MarShon OR the #1 2012 pick
That’s my feeling.
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by eLonepb on Feb 13, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well they were originally didn't a trade of lopez plus two 1st for dwight and obviously fillers so why should we have to know give up morrow brooks or bogs
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Feb 13, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Take Hump out, add Petro and an extra pick and you got a deal.
I think BKing can play this game within the rules.
When push comes to shove, he can say Hump is not accepting the trade; he will not be a deal breaker as he’s expiring anyway.
Since we’re taking Turk, you take Petro …. have a nice Disney Life.
in that deal
Lopez and Brooks are the keys. The others are on expiring deals or in the case of Farmar, a player option he may very well take. Nets owe Petro $3.25 million next season.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Well good, because they probably will be.
by Mykey24 on Feb 13, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Much like the d leaguers we have now
Free JR smith
Let's think about this one for a second
You have a chance to get one of the best players in the history of the NBA (might I add he’s like the best defensive player in the NBA now and we’re the worst NBA defensive team in 20 years), and you are going to say no over Humphries (who can come back next year), Farmar (ok he’s playing well), Brooks, Lopez, and a pick? While I agree that is a tad much, it can be manipulated a bit. I wish we could keep MarShon and give them our 2012 pick and maybe 2013 pick.
OR——— BK can try to find a third team so we don’t have to gut the roster.
D-WIll + D12 = NETS 2012 Champs (with lots of luck)
by corky_romano4life on Feb 13, 2012 11:50 AM EST reply actions
We would be instantly better then the Magic are now… as a starting lineup, AND bench.
What are y’all talking about.
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
Lopez, MarShon, Okur and 2 future #1s (Not this yr’s). for Howard.
Taking back Hedo complicates things.
"Beware the Ides of March."
Then we can sign him as a FA
Again, you are probably right that Billy gets this done and takes back Hedo, but i really do think he has a little room to negotiate.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
CP3 got traded
and remember how they said it would never happen without someone taking back Okafor? I think it is possible they’ll keep Hedo
D-WIll + D12 = NETS 2012 Champs (with lots of luck)
by corky_romano4life on Feb 13, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Hedo would be our best SF
I’m not sure taking him back is as big a deal as people make it out to be. He’s a serviceable starter that has good chemistry with D12. We’re going to have to take some bad contract(s) back. If it’s not him, it’s some combination of JRich, Baby & Duhon.
Hedo is better than any small PF we had since Richard Jeff in his prime!!
The Hardest thing for some men to do is .... Believe what they see!
I know I know "these guys have to make a living"
But a player like Dwight isn’t the average NBA player he makes tons and tons of
Money. I hate the fact that it’s not Championship>Money for guys like Dwight who aren’t going to suffer financially if the lose a year. I know I’m being unreal and greedy but we have been waiting so long for a real title shot and we have a chance right now but it’s in Dwight hands
Also
I think taking on Hedo is both a good and bad thing. Good because let’s face it, we need a darn SF! Bad cuz he makes $11m, Perhaps we ship him elsewhere in a 3 team deal
D-WIll + D12 = NETS 2012 Champs (with lots of luck)
by corky_romano4life on Feb 13, 2012 11:53 AM EST reply actions
Question for Think Tanks
Once we have DWill and D12 what are our options to add other good role players? Are we going to have any leverage?
if we have to take hedo contract this will hurt our fa chances
by Pure baller15 on Feb 13, 2012 12:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
and leave us with a horrible bench for at least a year
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Feb 13, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
You answered your own question.
Once we have Dwight and deron, we will have all the leverage we need to attract FA’s
If we take back more salary
In the form of Hedo or a combination of Baby/JRich/Duhon, we’re likely looking at resigning Hump using his bird rights (if he isn’t traded), the mid-level exception & the bi-annual exception, plus any draft picks we haven’t traded.
So, the line-up would be
1- Deron/Gaines
2- Morrow/???
3- Turkoglu/Shawne W
4- Shelden W/Jordan W
5- Howard/Petro
Thank goodness it’s only for 20 or so games.
Dwight and Deron = Win
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That's this year only, but yes, he will be part of it eventually.
Dwight and Deron = Win
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That lineup is amazing.
You could even play our SF’s at PF and spread the floor a little bit. Howards backups hardly ever play… ever.
This team is better then the Orlando Magic right now, who are winning a lot btw.
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
You can run a Deron Dwight pick and roll all day long and Morrow will have uncontested 3’s for breakfast lunch and dinner!
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
u could do the same w/ Lopez
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by netsareboss on Feb 13, 2012 4:05 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
with potentially
better offensive coming from brooks. Dwight Howard hands down owns the lane and defense and grabbing boards, but in terms of offensive skill sets, Lopez is miles ahead.
No love for Bojan ?
Bojan Bogdanovic has become the forgotten man…Maybe he becomes part of the deal or part of our rotation next season ?
i will demand Fran Vasquez
Magic holds his rights
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
I mentioned this in the past...and I agree
If they want Bojan, I want Vasquez. Period.
done deal!
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
agreed NI!!
i remember me and u talking about him a cpl months ago. hes a great player! i would ask the same if were giving them brooks and a 1st round pick.
What is the deal with Vasquez?
Haven’t heard much about him since he was drafted.
It'll likely take an exception to bring him over
I doubt he signs for a rookie minimum salary. We may not want to waste all or part of an exception to bring him over next year.
he's a 6'11" shot-blocking defensive center
who was the oop to Rubio’s alleys.
Ideal back up to Howard. Pay him $3 or $4 million.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
This is just this season if this is the trade. 2012 Brooklyn Nets will look far different I would assume.
Dwight and Deron = Win
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they can take morrow not brooks and they can have the rockets pick not are 1st
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Feb 13, 2012 11:56 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Ugh.
I’ll get ripped apart I’m sure, but I don’t like this trade right now. Obviously I want Dwight, it’s just these terms are frustrating.
For what it's worth, it means nothing
They’ve included a Chicago trade here (not happening) as well as rehashing that tired old Houston trade that they wouldn’t still do anymore.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Yeah, you're right.
It’s just becoming real. I know who Dwight Howard is, I get it. I love the guy. I just wish we didn’t have to gut the team. Yeah, we’ve won 8 games, but hell I root for these guys. I’m really attached to some of them.
“Gut the team?”
WE STINK! Gut them all!
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
by Tim823 on Feb 13, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Look, no argument that we're not good.
I get that. I’m really just lamenting that we’ll have to give up young talent, that at least some of us were hoping to see grow wearing a Nets uniform.
I am sad to see Brooks go, thats about it. To get Dwight and a legit shot at contention in return, Ill take it.
We dont move and Dwight goes elsewhere, then we may not have that championship chance again in a long long long long time.
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
by Tim823 on Feb 13, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not saying I wouldn't do the deal if it came to it.
Because if it’s now or never, I give up pretty much anything for Dwight. I’m just wishing it took less. Also, you’re not sad to see Lopez go?
Not really. Obviously I would like to keep him as a PF, but we had him for years, he got us no wins, and in my mind, has always been an injury waiting to happen. If we can retain him, great if not, bring me Dwight at once!
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
Fair enough.
I’m a big Lopez supporter, but for all I know a lot of it was driven by media doubters.
why not give the rights to bogs instead of marshon
by Pure baller15 on Feb 13, 2012 11:58 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Notice how poorly MarShon has been playing lately...
All he needs now is a DUI and he stays a Net…(Just kidding of course)
by M I K E on Feb 13, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well it looks like he been playing under the influence
by Pure baller15 on Feb 13, 2012 12:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Assuming that deal does happen, we're left with what?
DWill
Morrow
Turk (not that good but shooting 38% from 3)
Shelden Williams (ugh)
Dwight
Gaines
Jordan Williams
Petro
Shawne Williams
Stevenson?
That bench is puke worthy, and starter Shelden sucks. I think trying to put Petro in instead of Hump and maybe another asset would be much better.
by J-Nasty on Feb 13, 2012 12:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Well to be fair
The whole team is puke worthy right now anyway. You are adding a talented (but overpaid) SF and DWIGHT HOWARD.
So maybe it’s just adding roses to puke, but at least roses smell nice.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Who. Cares.
You think that that’s a finished product??
Ultimately, I would give that up but if you do it while keeping Hump and giving maybe Petro and a protected #1 in 2015 or something
I would certainly try. I think a starting 5 with DWill, Morrow, Turk, Hump, Howard can give a team like Philly or Chicago a battle.
by J-Nasty on Feb 13, 2012 2:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd venture to say Avery splits time at PF between Shelly and Shawne - hoping that Shawne starts
hitting some shots with this line up. Or somehow, we bring in another PF via another trade or part of multi team deal.
I'd start Shawne at pf with that lineup
You play to win the game!
by stevieboyNETS on Feb 13, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Why chicago alway get so lucky
They have Charlotte first round pick for 2012??? This one is going to be a top 5 pick. WOW. They always get lucky.
It's lottery protected
Dwight and Deron = Win
New York Giants Super Bowl XLVI Champions
Since its lottery protected
Chicago won’t get the pick right? Because for sure Charlotte won’t make the playoffs
Follow me on twitter NETS fans! @Adeeetz
by Jersey Finatic on Feb 13, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
I thought Dwight said its not about money or anything else but WINNING..
If thats case…why would he want to come to a team that is THAT depleted. Id hope he is smarter than that.
keep in mind
he doesn’t have a say in where he goes. he can ask, doesn’t mean he’ll get it. so the Magic can trade him here and he can’t do a thing about it.
unless he fakes that he’s going to sign with the Magic in the off-season and then comes here, but i doubt he burns that bridge
by bronxbombers2 on Feb 13, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
and what GM
is going to give up big assets without a guarantee that he will sign?
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Feb 13, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Gotta LOVE ESPN...do we all so quickly forget the original trade was a three-team deal?
Anyone? Bueller?
Of course ESPN wouldn’t mention that because it would favor the Nets, showing that Otis had agreed to a specific deal already, owner just was not digging it.
by JimmyLips on Feb 13, 2012 3:52 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Honestly who the hell cares what we have to give up for DWIGHT HOWARD
Nobody will care about some extra throw ins we might be forced to include when Dwight is going for 25 and 25 and we’re winning games.
Other plays will want to come and play for a team built around Dwill and Dwight, just get it done and worry about the rest after. Dwill and Dwight are not Melo and Amare.
I would love to keep Brooks
I would love to keep our 2012 pick…but neither is nearly as important as getting Dwight.
And yeah, we could use that extra flexibility to bring in some new faces which i’m perfectly ok with.
LOL at people who don’t want to give up Hump too, an unrestricted free agent.
Agreed on Brooks and pick...but eventually you have to do what it takes
The Humphries thing is too ridiculous. He’s good and puts up solid numbers, but is he really a dealbreaker? Honestly?
Nets probably couldn’t even afford him next season, so if it means getting Howard locked up, I do it all day, everyday.
Absolutely
I think the debate here is whether Billy has any leverage to not give up absolutely everything. Push comes to shove he will (and should) but retaining Brooks OR the #1 pick is clearly a huge win for us.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Turk is a SUBSTANTIAL upgrade right now
And who knows he much better he’ll do with Deron. He’s not a killer for me, but I think Billy can say no if the Magic are requiring us to also give up Brooks + #1 pick.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
by eLonepb on Feb 13, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's the only thing I believe is up in the air
wether or not King can refuse Hedo OR take Hedo back while keeping Brooks or the pick.
Hedo is only a pain in the wallet
That’s where he becomes dead weight in the deal.
by Anthony Perez on Feb 13, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Turk only huirts because of his salary. I think his game gets better with Deron and you have another
guy who can handle the ball and pass
Also, doesn't Hump have a no trade clause? If I'm him, no way I accept to go to Orlando.
I’m either a Net for life, or going to some small market team as a free agent and starting over
Dwight and Deron = Win
New York Giants Super Bowl XLVI Champions
That Lakers trade scares the moiso out of me.
Dr. J~Super Buck~Draz~JKidd~Deron
What I wouldn't give for it to be '03 again
Me too, but there's no way Houston does that.
Dwight and Deron = Win
New York Giants Super Bowl XLVI Champions
Houston already agreed to a similar trade… They will do it. WHY? I dont know. They seem to be intent on getting rid of the majority of their good players for less in return. They are right on the cusp of the playoffs, you would think they would want to be retaining people.
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
They may realize they're stuck in the middle
Not good enough to make a major playoff play but not horrible either. It’s a tough spot.
My issue with it is, The Rockets are giving up WAY more then the Lakers are, and the Lakers get the big prizes. Seems backwards to me.
Happened in the CP3 to Lakers deal too. If you look at the pieces moving you would think CP3 would be on his way to Houston. Doesn’t make sense.
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
I understand...and I agree
But not much you can do about it if Morey wants to just dump his assets.
I think a big reason why they wanted to do it before was to pair the Gasol brothers.
That’s not an option anymore. And they are playing playoff basketball in a tough West, thankfully for us.
Dwight and Deron = Win
New York Giants Super Bowl XLVI Champions
Yeah butt here not giving up all that and doing that without an
Assurance that he will resign which it seems has not happened.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Draft picks will prob mean little unles we get lucky and draft another MarShon
And who is out there that we can sign for vets?
I just don't understand
We sit here and laugh at the Knicks because they are who they are
they can sign Vets also.
They don't have Deron Williams and Dwight Howard together
DeShawn Stevenson said he wanted to come to the Nets to play with Deron Williams. He won’t be the last, and he won’t be the best either.
Trust me i understand that.
But we still leave ourselves with no caproom. And We still have to compete with the Bulls and Heat to even make it to the finals
if this trade would happen we would have asolutely no chance against miami or the bulls in a 7 game series
excuse my bad english please
by -Seiti- on Feb 13, 2012 12:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
This season, no
But 2012 and beyond? Too soon to tell.
If Dwight, Ryan Anderson, Turk, Nelson, and Jrich can make the playoffs and do well, why would adding an all world PG and one of the best shooters in the league NOT be equally as impressive? We would instantly double the amount of players who play D compared to what Orlando runs, which is 1 player who plays D.
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
anderson shoots as well if not better than morrow and orlando has a better bench
excuse my bad english please
by -Seiti- on Feb 13, 2012 12:51 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
A big reason is all the attention Dwight gets. Ryan just gets to stand there wide open!
And the Orlando bench being better is highly debatable. Like I said, Dwights backup hardly ever plays. Look at Gortat!
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
the difference is anderson is a pf and his man has to help out on d
morrows defender isn’t needed in the paint as much to help out. our backup pg would be gains. what is debatable about that?
excuse my bad english please
by -Seiti- on Feb 13, 2012 12:57 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
The diff is also we would substitute Anderson for Deron Williams.
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
what?
excuse my bad english please
by -Seiti- on Feb 13, 2012 12:59 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I mean if Ryan Anderson is the reason why this so called horrible team is going to make the playoffs with a darn good seed, then what is the use of having Deron Williams? Yeah we wont get Ryan back, but we will have Deron Williams running the show with the best big man in the world!
How are people complaining about being worse? Dwight is the only guy on the Magic who actually plays D, we will be great. Add more in the off season and we will be in contention.
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
of course deron helps dwight. but not having a big guy spreading the floor hurts dwight heavilly on the offensive end. And a sg like morrow doesn’t benifit from dwight like a shooting big guy does.
of course we could be contenders if we get cheap talent in the offseason but a deal like that hurts our chances a lot
excuse my bad english please
Don't forget Arenas.
Just had a workout, had that blood spinning process done on his knee and it’s getting closer to deadline.
Play him at Sg and have what the Clips have with CP3 and Billups (had).
I also think there's room for internal improvement
I like Jordan Williams, from the little I’ve seen him play. If he can get it together upstairs, he will be a solid contributor off the bench.
the "next move"
In any deal…I’m hoping the Nets still have enough assets to make “the next move”. Deron + Howard is of course priority #1. But if the Nets want to be a true contender while they have Turk on the payroll…they’ll need another major piece.
Keeping some flexibility by only giving away one 1st rounder would be huge. It would give the over-the-cap-Nets the ability to make some trades, dump Petro/Shawne…AND still use the MLE to fill out the roster for 2013.
I’m still a believer in Shawne. I think he’ll be ready to play next season.
Petro on the other hand….
"Beware the Ides of March."
Shawne has looked Outlaw-ish
minus the contract.
by Anthony Perez on Feb 13, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
now they've added a Golden State scenario
where Dwight and Big Baby go for Monta, Udoh, and someone else i didnt see(maybe Biedrens?)
I have a feeling the longer this goes more teams are going to be willing to risk Dwight as a rental and hope they can convince him to stay the 2-3 months they have him
C’mon DeVos you tool and cough him up. Billy throw everything you can(except the draft picks cause I want Anthony Davis or Perry Jones or Jared Sullinger or Thomas Robinson next to Dwight)
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 13, 2012 12:18 PM EST reply actions
I'm a big fan of Thomas Robinson
A player motivated having to go through what he’s been through in his life shows character. He will help build a winning culture.
Why are we even worrying abotu any of the trade scenarios?
If Dwight tells Deron hes focused solely on Brooklyn, and Deron relays that to King, then none of this matters.
The most important aspect of all this is Dwight / Derons friendship and communication.
The only way we would have to give up a package like that is if Dwight tells Deron he has 3 or 4 teams he would re-sign with and we simply would have to out do the others’ trade package.
i'm in the camp of folks here who say
trade whoever and whatever you have to in order to get DWIGHT now.
i’m a season ticket holder, go to most games and it’s been a tough watch for some years now.
forget this idea of perceived leverage or whatever. things change in the NBA day by day. Injuries happen, Lin happens, etc.
get the deal done as fast as possible and start over w/ DWILL & Dwight. figure out the rest later.
imagine something extremely witty here
by Gminski on Feb 13, 2012 12:36 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
I wonder if Dwight Howard and Deron Williams...
have any say in what course of action the Nets should take…
Is it possible Howard and his agent tell the Nets to low ball Orlando ?
Eh not lowball
I’m sure the Nets will negotiate to some degree, but I doubt Deron and Dwight care about anything but pairing up.
In terms of being able to do deals in the future it is in BK’s best interest to not intentionally lowball Orlando.
by JimmyLips on Feb 13, 2012 3:55 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
If push comes to shove, I think everyone here will do what it takes to secure Dwight now.
We’re just hoping that there is some negotiating (I’m sure there is)going on to not give away the farm if we don’t have to.
Isnt that what the Knicks said with Melo?
And before Lin, that idea didnt seem to be working out.
Im on the fence about it.
Yawn
stop comparing Dwight to Melo. One is a legit top 3 player in the NBA and 3-time defensive player of the year.
Again, Dwill+Dwight >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Melo and Amare.
by NetsKiNG on Feb 13, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Agreed about Melo and Dwight..
But with Melo they were barely a .500 team. Dwight is better I agree, but enough to make us a contender? Is the cap between Melo and Dwight so great that one can barely get his team to the playoffs but the other can win a title.
You still need a lot more around Dwight on offense. Not just Deron. what happens when Dwight is in foul trouble? Or teams start fouling him?
Look at Orlando's roster
it’s pretty dreadful and they are a decent team.
The gap between Melo and Dwight is HUGE. Dwight impacts the game far more than Melo.
If we don’t take back Hedo we will have money to go spend on free agents and with Dwight and Deron in the fold we will be a top landing spot.
Its a different story if we dont take Hedo back but..
Assuming we do, what would you call our roster if you think Orlando is “dreadful” I think were better then dreadful obviously but not exactly great.
They were under .500 after the trade..
Swept in the playoffs, and under .500 this year waiting on Baron Davis to save them.
save them?
Didn’t you know? Lin rose up and now the Knicks are the team the beat… They have developed a dynasty… no team is taking them out.
this is tough
There are a bunch of teams that are in this for real but only a couple that Dwight would play for. It would be easier if he would say Nets only or its free agency.
An actual idea by an actual person on ESPN comments.
This might sound crazy but how about a Melo for Dwight Howard trade for the Knicks…starting five would be Lin, Fields, Howard, Stat, Chandler!!!
Dwight and Deron = Win
New York Giants Super Bowl XLVI Champions
wait...wait..what?
ITS A VVVVVVVVVVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEE
and we know how that will turn out...
ITS A VVVVVVVVVVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEE
If Howard decides Knicks, he will be dissing Deron and Melo. Howard can
achieve all his goals without dissing anyone by signing in Brooklyn. Since he is concerned about his image, I’m betting he sticks with Brooklyn.
The Knicks don’t need DH12… There is no equal to Lin…
by njnets2010 on Feb 13, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't be surprised
I think the Knicks would offer Melo + Chandler for Howard + Turkoglu/JRich. If they do, I’m not sure that’s not by far the best deal for Orlando.
OT
but how do Knicks fans feel about melo after the trade? as compared to Nets fans?
ITS A VVVVVVVVVVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEE
ask a knicks board
might get a better response there
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
These trade scenarios are an excercise in futility
If Dwight Howard has told the NETS that he is 100% going here, then Dwight Howard is our GM, not Billy King, and that there is a 100% chance he is traded here. Dwight will have final say on who is being traded. Based on his comments about wanting Stephen Jackson, I’m assuming he believes Marshon is expendible. My guess is the trade will include Brook Lopez, Okur, Marshon or 2012 First Round, and future pick. Dwight will want the extra $30M (extra year) plus all the endorsements that comes with Brooklyn. Based on his actions, it looks like he is forcing a trade. Billy and Otis will start finalizing the trade on 2/22/12 through the allstar weekend, giving other gms in Orlando the opportunity to get involved in the trade. The trade will ocur when all pieces are available to be traded (ie. Okur..I’m not sure when he can get traded)
okay my final stance if we have to take hedo
we keep marshon and our firstr ound pick
Orlando can have houston 1st
by Pure baller15 on Feb 13, 2012 12:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Trade deron for howard, sign Deron. Win all the rings!
Dwight and Deron = Win
New York Giants Super Bowl XLVI Champions
Nah
MarShon OR the first round seems like a solid negotiation.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
by eLonepb on Feb 13, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I agree with this
I hope that this is what happens but I can seriously see both going out. Damn
by MrDollarBills on Feb 13, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
We get to keep most of our draft picks for the next two years this is a steal!!
The Hardest thing for some men to do is .... Believe what they see!
we give both first and a second pick
We dont take hedo and we keep marshon
Hedo contract is bad and he is playing terrible
by Pure baller15 on Feb 13, 2012 1:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
These next two seasons got great sleeper picks in the first to second round,.
The Hardest thing for some men to do is .... Believe what they see!
And then Dwight is traded elsewhere
Dwight and Deron = Win
New York Giants Super Bowl XLVI Champions
Honestly at this point
if we can come out of this deal with Houston’s 1st rd pick still in our coffer, I’ll be thrilled
just get Howard here.
Knicks should get Howard
Knicks get iggy, Howard
Magic get Melo, Sixers #1 pick
Sixers get Tyson Chandler
Sixers need a big man. Chandler would fit great there. Knicks dont need Howard and Chandler. Magic get back a top 15 player. I dont think the Magic would be good with Melo.. but it is interesting at least
Point is, there will be competition for Howard.. so we likely will have to do a trade similar to what ESPN offered. Waiting to free agency carries some risk. If the Knicks or Lakers swoop in and get him, it isnt impossible to think he could stay there.. or play another season to see if he likes it and not opt out
That wouldn't help the Sixers enough.
Iggy is their glue guy. Their chemistry could completely fall apart without him.
by LOVEandHATEHOOPS on Feb 13, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Give up everybody except D-Will and Anthony Marrow
Whats our record right now ? Half these guys aint even healthy and can choose a new team next year … so we gonna miss out on D12 for them? Pleeeease, I would trade them in a milli second!
The Hardest thing for some men to do is .... Believe what they see!
But if that's who they want then ,so be it.
The Hardest thing for some men to do is .... Believe what they see!
i don't like the idea of adding marshon brooks in a trade...
he is obviously a talented player and i’ll like to keep him on the nets but we have to look at this realistically… this is dwight howard that we’re talking about…we can’t just send orlando brook lopez, a pick, and bunch of expiring contracts… they need to get more talent back in a trade for dwight…marshon seems to be a good fit in this trade for orlando…gives them another young talented player along with lopez and the pick…the expiring contacts and nets taking hedo will give them financial relief… the trade makes sense and is what it will probably take for the nets to land howard via trade.
Strike the Shepherd and the Sheep will Scatter
Howard/Petrofl
Sheldon/Jordan
Hedo/ShaWill
Morrow/DeShawn
Deron/Gaines
yikes. I wonder what our flexibility or options will look like in the summer following that
not the ideal situation, but we have to do what we have to do. Hell I would take a flyer on JR Smith just to balance out the roster
Billy has got this
ITS A VVVVVVVVVVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEE
I don't think Sheldon would start.
He would get in DH’s way in the paint. Shawne would be the stretch 4.
by LOVEandHATEHOOPS on Feb 13, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Love it
Orlando is in the playoffs for sure, and their depth chart is no better then ours right now.
There will be times when you can play Shawne at the 4 and spread the floor a little bit.
Right now I like our Defense better then Orlando since Deron is a far superior defender then Jameer Nelson.
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
nobody has to convince me that Dwight completely changed a team's defense
but i’m really curious to see what he can make of this mess here, this historically bad defense
by bronxbombers2 on Feb 13, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
The thing is… the magic intentionally let guys on the perimeter drive by them to the lane. I mean, that is HUGE. You focus all your energy on denying a perimeter shot because you WANT the guy to drive by you.
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
i can't imagine the difference
between our (lack of) inside presence today and potentially putting Howard in there. teams would literally have to change everything they have scouted on us this year.
by bronxbombers2 on Feb 13, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Just think of how aggressive our perimeter guys could get if they know letting them go by isnt the end all.
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
Okay
https://twitter.com/#!/earlxsweat
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Feb 13, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Billy will do whatever needs to be done to get dwight with the thought of giving up as less as possible.
Lets leave it to the GM that knows info we dont know. I.e. whos in on the sweepstakes, what other teams are giving up, and inside info from dwights camp. This trade has been on his mind before the season kicked off. He is continuing to keep his finger on the pulse. Lets have faith and let the man do his thing.
I'm to the point where I'm tired of speculating about this
If/When he gets here, then he gets here. This has been worse than Melo-drama for me.
All you have to do is discipline yourself not typing netsdaily on your browser, nor mouse-click your favorites Netsdaily button.
Other than that, this talk will be exponentially increasing as we get closer and beyond of ASG.
I do it
screw it. As long as we retain’s houston’s pick I get him right now and worry about tomorrow later. We should still have the MLE to play with.
but I'll tell you one thing
we will live and die with the pick and roll. Howard will get his wish because we will have to force feed him the ball
by MrDollarBills on Feb 13, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
We're also forgetting about 3 or 4 team deals
where maybe we dont have to give up brooks and or humphries. We can get other teams involved and get them back talent that isnt ours. King can get creative with this. Im sure he doesnt sleep thinking up scenarios lol.
by 1stnamelastname on Feb 13, 2012 1:04 PM EST reply actions
I think a 3/4 team deal then its an even higher chance that Hump & Marson go
If not to Orl than to somewhere else.
If teams are going to get involved to get Dwight to the Nets, then they are going to want something in return. Picks or Players. And I would think Hump and Brooks have more trade value than anybody on the Magic since they all have horrible contracts.
by Genesis336 on Feb 13, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
waterboy
ITS A VVVVVVVVVVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEE
If we give up Marshon and only have Morrow at the 2
We need to pick up a dynamic & versatile SF (Iggy-like) somehow. Morrow can light it up when he isn’t missing everything, and we can deal with his deficiencies if we had a solid 3.
just think how nice it would be
WHEN HOWARD gets double teamed and he kicks it out to morrrow…..ahh
by netsfan247 on Feb 13, 2012 1:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
or brooks or dwill...
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QUESTION FOR NET INCOME
as of FEBUARY 13……..DO YOU THINK DWIGHT HOWARD will be a net within the next 12 months
no better than 50-50
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
The 50 on the left...
or the 50 on the right ?
by M I K E on Feb 13, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
because of the nothing is certain principle or because of inside knowledge?
excuse my bad english please
by -Seiti- on Feb 13, 2012 2:32 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
we wild have no depth...
Nets Mets Giants All day Every day.
Beware the Lopez
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by netsareboss on Feb 13, 2012 1:34 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
would
Nets Mets Giants All day Every day.
Beware the Lopez
NY Giants Tribute
by netsareboss on Feb 13, 2012 1:34 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
yeah, for March and April and maybe the playoffs
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
you could bring up the three guys
from the Armor who were in camp, a PF and two combo guards. They know the system, the coaches, the jargon, the plays. Stop gap. Who cares? Jeremey LIn played for Erie Bayhawks.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
bring JamesOn back
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lets bring up jerry smith and dump gaines
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Feb 13, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and bring back horner and dumb petro
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sign J.R. Smith or Gilbert Arenas or Julian Wright or Kyryl Fesenko or Al Thornton
or Josh Boone, etc. etc. etc.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Feb 13, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
smith is going to a contender this year
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Feb 13, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
maybe
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
and he'll probably get a portion of an exemption...
for teams that have that left (more than the minimum)
by BKNfastbreak on Feb 13, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with this.
this should be done before JR gets out of China. even Boone would be fine off the bench. Maybe he even has a fan or 2 in China!
by LOVEandHATEHOOPS on Feb 13, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
I would gladly sign any of those players if we get Dwight
and bringing back Boone I am in favor of. Decent rebounder, big body.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 13, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
What would be MIND BLOWING and solidify King as a god among men
Is if he were to someone flip Hedo in the Dwight trade to a third team or in a later trade.
It would be the only thing that would make losing Marshon less painful. If we lose Marshon but flip Hedo, it would give us flexibility to upgrade the 2/3 positions by not having his $12 million on the cap over the next two seasons.
Plus we could have Bojan coming next year
Keep forgetting about him.
by Anthony Perez on Feb 13, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
The question though is who in world would take Hedo?
That contract is horrendous.
really?
why? it’s a miracle that you can even stomach to have watched them over the last few years, is it not?
by MrDollarBills on Feb 13, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
because anything can happen
Nets are in the lead now. Things change.
Eight days ago, it looked like Jeremy Lin was going to be cut from the Knicks. Now, it looks like he will be EC player of the week.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
seems like it
and just as lin rises…so shall he fall
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Everybody in the NBA does
Including the players.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
bringing up Lin
face it, Lin’s great for NYC basketball. I always root for the Nets to humiliate the Nix of course but the NIX ARE from NY, I’ve watched them a lot over the decades (they play 8 blocks from my home) and I root for them over most other teams. I always want Nets to eliminate Nix in EC championship series. It’s WAY easier watching the Knicks with Lin than without. The odious Dolan seems to have stumbled upon what he could not find by looking.
I don’t want the Nets to dominate the area by beating bozos. I want them to do it by beating hot teams.
same thing with melo drama...
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Us as fans should make headlines and let Dwight know we want him, at the Magic Net game start a chant of "We Want Howard"
Im sure the beat writers would ask him about that
No. We want Howard chants are extremely unproductive. All they do is insult the team and show them the fans aren’t supporting them. He already knows we want him, everybody does. We don’t need to throw it in the players faces any more than we already do. If I could make it out to Newark, I’d be chanting “We Want Lopez.”
MarShon the Messiah
by J-Kay on Feb 13, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yes
cheer our team on that will let howard know we support our team for what they are right now
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we can't even get fans at are games let alone start a chant haha
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Feb 13, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lool so true
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only for the other team
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True, Prudential is basically a glorified library
Dwight and Deron = Win
New York Giants Super Bowl XLVI Champions
by Tylerguy42 on Feb 13, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
disagree
this team has played god awful at home. They deserve the humiliation. I’m pretty sure Deron will be grinning from ear to ear
by MrDollarBills on Feb 13, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
I imagine he laughs on the inside whenever he hears the ‘we want Howard’ chants.
by JimmyLips on Feb 13, 2012 4:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Did you see my fan post to the right?
We’re organizing it.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
here's an idea
trade turk along with a pick to a team who hasn’t used their amnesty clause, for a bad contract signed last summer. nets can then use the stretch amnesty on it. win/win but nobody is coming to mind who signed a really bad deal last year.
by William_H_HOLLA on Feb 13, 2012 1:40 PM EST reply actions
You can’t amnesty a player you acquire through trades, had to be on your roster when the lockout ended
Dwight Howard wouldn't start over Johan Petro
omg...your signature
lololol
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ahhh youre right
orl would’ve been smarter to use it on hedo over arenas imo
by William_H_HOLLA on Feb 13, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Both options are poor
I’d take Hedo over Arenas though. Hedo can at least contribute more consistently than Arenas can.
by ZR on Feb 13, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Don't think you can use Amnesty on a player you traded for
Might be wrong, tho…
i rather not have hedo or jackson on my team
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Feb 13, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
That may be the way to go - Bucs don't want him, he don't want them.
Dwight wants him, he wants Dwight. Slightly less money
Turk should not be a deal killer
As eLone stated above, he is MUCH better than anything we have at SF now.
Also,
Something we aren’t discussing is that his contract goes from being an albatross into an asset after next season. He will be just an expiring 12million dollar contract at the trade deadline in 2013 and 2014. That will be a big asset for teams over the cap and we could trade his contract for a good piece is prokey is still the owner and willing to spend.
agreed
but i don’t think anyone from the nets organization wants to c our big 3 as dwill howard n hedo..
I think they would be happy with:
Deron
Morrow
Hedo
AK47
Dwight
Big three is a flawed concept. Having 2 superstars and 3 good players plus a decent bench to round it out is a better model.
agreed
the only reason Miami works is because Bosh isn’t really a "super"star, just a very good player. plus Wade and LeBron are top 5 players in the league
by bronxbombers2 on Feb 13, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Won't have AK this year, and for next year
I’d rather have someone else starting at PF – but I’d take him if we can’t get someone else.
Hump will be available also. Who knows what he’ll be looking for and he may want to be a part of the Brooklyn move.
He gets a lot of love form the fans.
I was thinking, if there’s any substance at all to Orlando truly having no interest at all in Lopez, why not get a third team involved? The Hawks for example would make sense. Indications state they don’t see Horford as a true center, more of a power forward. Would they be willing to send Horford or Smith to Orlando if we send Lopez to Atlanta?
Dwight Howard wouldn't start over Johan Petro
wow, really? this year?
so CHI is about to add another lotto talent? damn. even with dwight the nets will have a lot of trouble ever making it out of the EC with CHI and MIA.
by William_H_HOLLA on Feb 13, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
rip hamilton makes them a lot better than last year imo
but youre right it’s the derrick rose show
by William_H_HOLLA on Feb 13, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Unprotected? How? Does this have something to do with Tyrus Thomas?
Dwight Howard wouldn't start over Johan Petro
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2012 first round draft pick from Charlotte
Charlotte’s own 2012 1st round draft pick to Chicago (top-14 protected in the 2012 Draft, top-12 protected in 2013, top-10 protected in 2014, top-8 protected in 2015 and unprotected in the 2016 Draft.) [Charlotte – Chicago, 2/18/2010]
So basically Chicago isn't getting that pick for a long time
Dwight and Deron = Win
New York Giants Super Bowl XLVI Champions
seriously
unless the cats draft an LeBron/Dwight/Durant/Rose level player one of these years, they’re gonna be in the lottery for a looooong time.
They are going to get that in 2016
Bobs are horrible. MJ running the show, they will remain such.
Official Member of the "DO NOT ABUSE BROOK LOPEZ" Movement
lottery protected
Dwight and Deron = Win
New York Giants Super Bowl XLVI Champions
Example of a potential ATL-ORL-NJ deal
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=79z4mjd
Sprinkle in some draft picks, of course.
I wouldn’t even mind taking back Marvin Williams’ bad contract (yay another Williams), which could be done by sending back Farmar and Shawne, Farmar and Petro, or Farmar, Bogans, and James.
I’m not too familiar with the Hawks thinking, or how Horford’s current injury and Smith’s level of play this year would effect anything, but Smith’s name has been in rumors for a while now.
Dwight Howard wouldn't start over Johan Petro
big expiring
and a good young center? they’re kind of in limbo. they’ll never win a lot with that team
by bronxbombers2 on Feb 13, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
they'll never win a lot after that deal either
it would make more sense if they just tried to blow up the entire squad then replace josh smith (who is carrying them) with a player that’s not quite as good.
Speaking of Dwight, we've settled on Section 22 as the Netsdaily section for Dwight Night, Feb 22nd
More info on my fan post, but if you are around, you should come out for this game. Should be a fun experience.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
i'll be there man
$22 why not? I’ll just tell my girlfriend nets fans are always this loud
by William_H_HOLLA on Feb 13, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Cool, just shoot me an email or put your name in the fan post so I know you bought
I want to keep track of it all.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
was that a typo with an extra '2'?
I’m Ballin’ for real you pump faking it
Manhattan keep on Faking it Brooklyn Keep on taking it! Yeah!
we need good dwight chants
but let`s not forget to be loud for our own guys as well. show dwight we are loyal
Jersey Strong, Brooklyn Ready
by BrooklynNets8 on Feb 13, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely, that's the plan
But I think a huge ovation for Dwight during the starting lineups is appropriate.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
by eLonepb on Feb 13, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
okay yes huge ovation for dwight
we need something original too. i though of bringing a sign that reads “awkward” lol
Jersey Strong, Brooklyn Ready
by BrooklynNets8 on Feb 13, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
haha please do
you’ll definitely get noticed
by bronxbombers2 on Feb 13, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
are signs allowed in pru? metlife stadium wouldnt let me
Jersey Strong, Brooklyn Ready
by BrooklynNets8 on Feb 13, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
i've never brought one personally
but i’ve seen them in there. might as well try!
by bronxbombers2 on Feb 13, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
How about a Barclays display in the locker room like we did for Carmelo
Dwight and Deron = Win
New York Giants Super Bowl XLVI Champions
I will try to be there...
Have to first check if my arrest warrant has expired from the last time I attended a Nets home game…
I thought with what Denver called the worst 5 months ever where the entire Melo thing was a distraction that Orlando would have traded him.
Their owner needs to sell the team and invest here
orl is in a different situation since they just built that arena, and are hosting the ASG
i’m looking forward to the awkward interviews with dwight more than the actual game by a long shot
by William_H_HOLLA on Feb 13, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
People getting so hung up on what the team will look like this year if all those pieces are gone.
Look at next year and the big picture.
Next year:
Deron/?
Morrow/?
Hedo/Bogs?/ Stevenson?/Sha Will (Player Option, dammit)
?/?
Dwight/Petro
$62 million in salary. That sounds “over the cap” but the Heat somehow have a $79 million roster, so there’s obviously room for more through exceptions. Not all the players are chump change, they have 5 players making at least $3 million.
Still quite a bit of flexibility.
Add in:
- Houston pick
- Heat 2nd round pick.
- Bogs (if we can get him out early, which we should)
2013:
Expiring Hedo (clearing $12 million)
1st round pick
I think the Nets will be fine.
They’ll have a MLE (I hope to get either Allen or Garnett) and they’ll be able to throw the LLE at Kirilenko.
Will the Nets be set up better if they acquire Howard in free agency rather than via a trade? Of course. But will they still have a formidable (reference to the Knicks 2008 promo video) team if they trade for him? Yes.
You hear that boston?
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
by eLonepb on Feb 13, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Garnett and Howard would be awesome defensively
so would Allen and Morrow on the same team
Dwight and Deron = Win
New York Giants Super Bowl XLVI Champions
agreed
I definitely think that we will be fine in the offseason, just make the trade now.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 13, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
and excellent idea
about picking up KG.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 13, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
if Stevenson's knee...
fully recovers from that procedure, he is definitely a serviceable SG/wing defender. Also he needs to get in better shape. He would settle for the vet min. in 2013.
Bogans actually looked better than Stevenson in the few games we were able to see.
I wouldn’t have a problem with either one of those guys taking a vet min. deal and being a defensive presence in the rotation.
by BKNfastbreak on Feb 13, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
I hope that
Deron and Dwight go ‘ham’ in the ASG if they are in at the same time. Like an alley oop or two, just to make the ORL management and fanbase vomit!!!
No no you forget!
This is Devos’s opportunity to shown Deron the (disney) world that will be his if he demands a trade to Orlando!
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
by eLonepb on Feb 13, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
We Love you Deron!!
I’m Ballin’ for real you pump faking it
Manhattan keep on Faking it Brooklyn Keep on taking it! Yeah!
oh I forgot
that Deron wants to play out his prime at a truck stop
by MrDollarBills on Feb 13, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Are you coming to the game on Feb 22nd or what
You need to be a part of this already.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
I doubt it unfortunately
I’ll try to make the next one. I’ll be there on the 7th though
by MrDollarBills on Feb 13, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Sadly
I think that we will definitely have to let Damion go. We will need every cent in the offseason if we make the trade soon.
Doesn’t matter what he costs. The Nets will be over the cap either way; so his salary hit doesn’t make a difference.
yeah
but I don’t see us keeping him considering that we’ll also be wasting 3 mil on Shawne Williams
by MrDollarBills on Feb 13, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
With the way shawne is shooting, we may be able to write his and petros salary as a charitable donation.
by ItsAllNets on Feb 13, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
He’s a RFA, right? If nobody else makes him an offer couldn’t we tender him at 1.1M (I think that’s the right number) and bring him back?
Dwight Howard wouldn't start over Johan Petro
No
He’s unrestricted. He’s only been in the league two years & we didn’t pick up his team option.
vet min.
if someone doesn’t offer James more. I doubt he will get a better deal considering his injuries. I have no problem with Stevenson, Bogan, and James splitting time as wing defenders on roster.
by BKNfastbreak on Feb 13, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Wouldn't be a big loss.
If the Nets get Dwight the wings have to have a jumper. Damion is not even decent. He has energy and plays some D but that’s about it.
by LOVEandHATEHOOPS on Feb 13, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
If Nets become a championship team Petro will be the Adam Morrison/Scalabrine of the team
by RandyOreens on Feb 13, 2012 2:16 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
never dude...NO PETRO, NO NO NO
I’m Ballin’ for real you pump faking it
Manhattan keep on Faking it Brooklyn Keep on taking it! Yeah!
As a rental?
That’s great news
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by eLonepb on Feb 13, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
OT but
NBC Washington’s Sarah Kogod reported over the weekend that LeBron James told a heckling fan that he wanted to kick his tail all over the beltway, and if anyone has a problem with LeBron saying as much to that fan they can just take their heckles somewhere else.
In the fourth quarter of Miami’s win over Washington, James was reportedly accosted by Bob Moore, who made mention of that years-old urban legend regarding former James teammate Delonte West, and James’ mother Gloria. Something tells me that Moore did quite a bit more than “made mention,” actually. Here’s the story, from Kogod’s Twitter timeline:
LeBron was waiting alone in the backcourt when fan Bob Moore made a comment to LeBron about Delonte West and LeBron’s mom…According to Moore, LeBron said "The only reason you talk sh!t is because you know I can’t come off the court right now and beat your ass…Also according to Moore, LeBron continued "But if I had a free pass, I’d kick your ass right now…Moore replied “I’m right here baby. Let’s go” before security stepped in.
And? Kogod is well within her rights, as she pointed out on her Twitter feed the next day, to state that she believes that “it’s not acceptable for ANY athlete to engage a heckling fan in this way,” but I could not disagree more.
Is falling back on the tired “I’m going to whup your ass”-retort kind of disappointing? Sure. But Moore wasn’t yelling at a TV. He made the choice to engage with someone verbally — about the dude’s mom, no less — and he’s going to have to deal with the middling verbal consequences in response.
James, no pun intended, brings quite a bit of heat on himself. He’s made himself a target for years because of his curious choices off the court, and the addendum to the Delonte West rumor are the whispers that “helpers” inside of James’ camp actually started that nonsense in a moronic attempt to divert some criticism away from LeBron following his poor showing in the 2010 Eastern Conference semifinals.
Short of laying a hand on a heckler, though? It’s all fair game. I’d say this about Kobe Bryant, and I’d say this about Keith Bogans. Whether the heckler brings up a rumor, an actual conviction and/or failing, or just a lame observation with no merit lodged in reality (“YOU SUCK, BOSH!”).
You want to put on your tough guy pants and lob things at athletes just because you paid for a ticket? You’re going to have to hear back from them. LeBron, and no other athlete, is under any obligation to offer a meek “thank you for your comment and your continued patronage” as a reply.
He’s not managing a Denny’s. He’s dropping your favorite team’s record to 5-22.
LMAO
that's hate pretty much but
someone has to say something about gloria james and delonte west, everybody knows about it
A espn reporter is suggesting
That trading Howard n Glen davis to the Warriors for Monta ellis, Udoh, n D.Lee is what they would recommend for Orlando
WHY
would Orlando want Lee’s contract? that thing is… atrocious
by bronxbombers2 on Feb 13, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
ahhh how delusional we were
remember when LeBron wanted to come here because of Jay-Z and because Brooklyn is his favorite borough?
by bronxbombers2 on Feb 13, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Golden States G.M. is still recovering from shock...
The Golden State Warriors signed Lin after he went undrafted, but the Harvard product only played 29 games for them last season. He was cut by Golden State in December and GM Larry Riley says he never envisioned Lin becoming a good starting point guard.
"We always felt there would be some chance he’d be a backup point guard," Riley told The New York Times. "I have egg on my face in telling you that I did not think he was going to become a starting point guard with a good team. He’s doing that right now."
Give NeNe the max, Give Stat the max
I’m Ballin’ for real you pump faking it
Manhattan keep on Faking it Brooklyn Keep on taking it! Yeah!
Lets stop going with what reporters want the Nets and Magic to do.
We’re not in the meeting rooms. Maybe Dwight is a lock regardless if he’s traded or not. He will join DWill + Lopez in the off season best case. If he’s a lock Billy knows what to do. Be fair but not stupid. Hedo can kick rocks IMO.
Picking up Jeremy Lin
Anybody know if this is possible? I ask because we are a team that is filled with expiring contracts, we have a superstar PG already and I doubt Jeremy Lin’s performance continues as is, he will eventually come back down to earth. I don’t believe the knicks have any room on the books to be able to resign him beyond this year and if they do I’m not sure how much. With us moving to Brooklyn, having a guy like Jeremy Lin would greatly, and I do mean greatly, help us in the international fans and especially the 250,000 Chinese people living in Brooklyn,.
He would make a great backup PG, and if his talent does hold up, he can really run a point position effectively. I mean the only reason the knicks are doing so well without amare and melo is because Dantoni’s system favors point guards like Jeremy Lin, Steve Nash etc.
right but we know he can play at that level
and i cringe everytime jordan farmar brings the ball up or sundiata gaines. i liked gaines for what he was last year, but in a full season you see all of his shortcomings.
i don’t care if jordan farmar is shooting lights out this season, he is a terrible point guard and doesn’t do it well. I’d almost rather he come in at the 2, at least if he was a 2 then him dribbling around for 5 seconds and chucking up a shot with 2 seconds left on the shot clock.’
if we’re going to give up the farm for Dwight, a backup PG (assuming farmar goes along with his 4 mil) which realistically won’t command a huge contract as long as he remains human the rest of this season.
the weird thing though
is that when Deron and Farmar are in together, usually Deron is at the 2. makes no sense to me
by bronxbombers2 on Feb 13, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
I would like to jack up the price on them, but not necessarily want him. I would prefer Calderon or even Kidd.
To answer you question though:
HowardBeckNYT Howard Beck
(1/2) Lots of confusion out there. To repeat: Lin will be restricted FA. No Bird rights. But Knicks can match any offer.
2 hours ago
HowardBeckNYT Howard Beck
(2/2) Under “Arenas” rule, no team can offer Lin more than avg player salary, approx $5 mil. Knicks can match using midlevel exception,
2 hours ago
nevermind
knicks will never let him go unless baron davis comes back. I bet you they’d even be willing to let go of tony douglas before Lin at this point.
If they do let him go though, i’m just saying a team like the nets could honestly use him. both on AND off the court.
Well nobody getting him now, but we can or some other team certainly put an offer sheet to max him out to the highest price possible (it seems like it's around 5Mill)
Strategy is that you would kill their MLE. They would be stuck with Lin, Melo, Stat, and Chandler.
Tony douglas?
They’d pay to see that guy go before giving up Lin. TD sucks
by anothernetsfan on Feb 13, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
as of this year
i will always be 100% skeptical of a player from D’Antoni’s system unless he is a superstar (ie. Nash). Shawne has just ruined it
by bronxbombers2 on Feb 13, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
I don't even use photoshop for my edits
i use pwrpoint and paint. and sometimes GIMP (free version of photoshop)
Nets Mets Giants All day Every day.
Beware the Lopez
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amidoinitrite?
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by eLonepb on Feb 13, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
hahahaha
made me laugh out loud in class…
by bronxbombers2 on Feb 13, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
sigh
i google Deron Williams, and these are the top two headlines:
Deron Williams & Dwight Howard looking into Mavs
Deron Williams, Stephen Curry Among Top 10 Trade Possibilities for Celtics’ Rajon Rondo
never any respect…
That Rondo article is ridiculous
8. Indiana Pacers
Trade Scenario: Celtics receive PG Darren Collison, SG Dahntay Jones and C Roy Hibbert; Indiana receives PG Rajon Rondo and C Greg Stiemsma
LMFAO. WHAT? Collison and Hibbert for Rondo and Stiemsma?
7. Memphis Grizzlies
Trade Scenario: Celtics receive SG O.J. Mayo and PG Mike Conley; Memphis receives PG Rajon Rondo
Mayo AND Conley for Rondo????
4. Atlanta Hawks
Trade Scenario: Celtics receive PF Josh Smith; Atlanta receives PG Rajon Rondo
Josh Smith for Rondo straight up? Big for small straight up?
2. Los Angeles Lakers
Trade Scenario: Celtics receive C Andrew Bynum and PG Darius Morris; LA receives PG Rajon Rondo and C Jermaine O’Neal
Bynum for Rondo? Lakers trading with Boston?
by Anthony Perez on Feb 13, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
haha that Lakers one is ridic
Bynum was possibly almost enough to get Howard, and now you can get Bynum for Rondo
by bronxbombers2 on Feb 13, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
google deron williams, and two of the first suggestions are "deron williams knicks" and "deron williams lakers"
however google dwight howard, and the first is “dwight howard nets”
Dwight and Deron = Win
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the one that’s on our team doesn’t have Nets listed… go freakin figure
by bronxbombers2 on Feb 13, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Wow...
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a possibility that is rarely (if never) mentioned
say devos/otis stick tight and don’t trade Dwight, even if Dwight and Fegan tell the magic & nets that he will sign w/ Nets as a FA….
wouldn’t it make sense that billy king makes a move before march 15 to bring in someone else? i.e. flip brook lopez for more talent with the understanding that we will sign dwight as a free agent.
in other words, i sense nets being involved with a deal at the deadline even if its not dwight involved
imagine something extremely witty here
Brook's talent should bring back talent
But he’ll need that new contract to match salaries, no?
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yeah, might have to thrown hump in a deal
maybe the main reason i smell some/any deal is that billy king has to do something to improve this team. if it’s not dwight by march 15, then i just can’t imagine he sits on his hands.
imagine something extremely witty here
I think it'd be full tank mode
Get the best draft pick possible, keep Lopez under contract with us, and have all the cap space needed to sign Dwight outright.
It’s almost a best case scenario…
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also keep in mind
dudes jobs are on the lines. tough to play the one poker hand all in when you’re staring at a pink slip
imagine something extremely witty here
I wouldn't trade Lopez until it's definite DH would be a Net
You never know what could happen and the Nets could be without DH or Lopez.
by LOVEandHATEHOOPS on Feb 13, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Dwight is annoying…he’s whining too much
Everyone is entitled to my opinion
by Hector Mercedes on Feb 13, 2012 2:51 PM EST reply actions
It's funny how he's complaining about touches even after a win.
I think he’s slowly getting them annoyed enough to get rid of him.
by LOVEandHATEHOOPS on Feb 13, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
I can't imagine Hump signing off on a trade.
Especially to where he would play behind Anderson and Big Baby. He’s in a contract year so he needs major minutes to keep proving himself.
by LOVEandHATEHOOPS on Feb 13, 2012 2:54 PM EST reply actions
I see Hump staying. I think if they want both, Swag and our 1st, BK will demand that they take Petrol (might sweeten the deal by throwing Houstons as well).
I know it’s too much, but the above deal by taking Hump out – and adding Petro and Houstons 1st will do it for me.
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by phatman00 on Feb 13, 2012 2:58 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
IMO
If Orlando decides to trade Dwight to the Nets, debating which assets to trade is pointless. They will get every quality piece in this organization outside of Deron, period.
Marshon? Gone. Lopez? Draft picks? Expirings? All gone. And rightfully so…no guarantees in free-agency. As for those saying this roster will be bear? Or course it will be. But the Nets will have ample opportunity to grab some cost-effective pieces with exemptions and with two pieces as talented as Deron and Dwight, you worry about fit and building you’re roster later.
by orecchio14 on Feb 13, 2012 3:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
No doubt, but if you are 100% aware that it's brooklyn or nothing, you may have a tad bit of leverage.
example would be not to include Hump, and that would be with a good excuse such as Hump is vetoing the trade.
Do you think that ORL will let Hump be a dealbreaker? I don’t think so!
I think there's a really really low likelihood
That it’s 100% Nets or bust. I mean, the guy has waffled back and forth for the past few months. I bet when push comes to shove it’s going to be another debacle where we pretty much have to give up everything. Who in their right mind wants to be the guy who said “No Brooks” and then we ended up NOT getting Dwight. I sure as heck would not want to be BK at that point
by anothernetsfan on Feb 13, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Ehh I think thats a little too much.
Brook, Hump, Farmar and the 2013 pick for Dwight.
When the going gets tough, the tough get DWIGHT
+ D James
When the going gets tough, the tough get DWIGHT
by Prash Ramani on Feb 13, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
really guys? we're worried about KRIS HUMPHRIES, on an expiring deal, when we're trading for DWIGHT HOWARD?!?!?!
just give them whatever they want. we’ll figure out the bench later.
hump will threaten to veto the trade any way
so we will keep him imo deal will be
lopez,brooks,farmar,petro (lol) , okur houston 1st our 1st for dwight/hedo and maybe duhon
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by BrooklynNets8 on Feb 13, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
think of it this way.
we’re trading the core of an 8 win team for the core of a 17 win team.
nicely put man. we’re getting winners on this team. we have to start thinking championships and stop being emotional over these players that we have now. for those people saying that we’re giving up too much i hate to say it but we have to give up this much because other teams out there might not hesitate to give up talent for Dwight
Ryan Anderson - "future all star"
Probaby the most annoying part of the article. Considering he was a throw in in the VC salary dump. Still, given our all in, whatever it takes to close on D12
by whoopdeedamndo on Feb 13, 2012 6:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
give up anyone but DWill
Marshon is good but still a rookie that had a few good games on a horrible team with a lot of playing time
trade, free agency or abduction
just get dwight..’nuff said
If this trade is what is done
When can it happen? As soon as Brook comes back, or more likely the week before the deadline?
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