Nets Defense Is Not Just Really Bad. It's Historically Bad
by Net Income on Feb 13, 2012 8:11 AM EST
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The basic numbers are bad enough, as Mike Mazzeo reports. The Nets are currently ranked last in the league in opponent field goal percentage (49.3), 3-point percentage (39.5) and defensive rebounds per game (26.7). They are 25th in points allowed (100.0), and give up the sixth-most fast-break points in the league (14.8).
But that's not the end of it. It's only the beginning. John Schuhman tweets that by one statistical measure, the Nets are the NBA's worst defensive team in two decades. Schuhman writes, "Comparing team efficiency to league average, the Nets have the worst defense of the last 20 years, allowing 9.6 pp100p (points per 100 possessions) more than the league," adding, "Next worst of the last 20 years was the 2005-06 Sonics at +7.9. So the Nets are the worst BY FAR."
- D-isgraceful: Nets' D by the numbers - Mike Mazzeo - ESPN New York
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Championship in 5 years
MarSwag Swaggity Swag
by CinnamonToastCrunch on Feb 13, 2012 8:14 AM EST via mobile reply actions
when
did he make that statement,:last season?
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Feb 13, 2012 8:21 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
It was in May 2010
In the introductory video for fans also directed at Lebron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au3hkZZpVM4
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 13, 2012 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
If you told Sonics fans before the 07 draft
that they would contend the win the championship in five years, they would think you were nuts. A lot can change fast.
A Nets fan deep in Knicks territory. SOS
by cprash on Feb 13, 2012 10:40 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
are the nets landing Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka and Harden in the next 3 years?
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 13, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Sign Dwight
Keep Dwill, develop Jwill into a rebound monster, work on Brooks’ game. Combine the Rockets pick with our pick if we need to trade up in the draft and get a good young SF. Sign and trade Lopez fir an established PF than compliments the system.
A Nets fan deep in Knicks territory. SOS
by cprash on Feb 13, 2012 11:26 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Speaking of which
Im wondering if I should buy tickets now for the Nets first home game after the trade deadline! I just don’t want to be disappointed.
by bbatts30 on Feb 13, 2012 8:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I got a deal for going to nets home games… got 3 lower level seats in which 2 are after the all-star game. Just in hopes for DH12…
It's vs the Hornets
I bought my tix.
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"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
life's about taking risks!
go for it. If D12 isn’t a net, then you can got there with a brown bag over your head instead.
Hardly a risk with the Nets
It’s not like the prices are 50% over face… quite the opposite.
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yea we wont be last in d
But we will still be bad in d. We don’t have a good TEAM.
by HabPSU on Feb 13, 2012 1:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And I will say it again...
Time to fire Avery. Defense can be bad cause your players are less athletic, but not this bad. They are not making the right rotations, they are double teaming at the wrong time and leaving 3s open. It’s just ridiculous.
by anothernetsfan on Feb 13, 2012 8:23 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
I have to say
You are right.
I am also sick of the “wait til we get this guy strategy”
People pay for seats, advertising etc etc etc now. We deserve a better effort on than we getting.
There are times the team seems like they couldn’t care less about defense.
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Feb 13, 2012 8:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think effort has been effort
considering that until recently the team was in pretty much every game that they had lost. They haven’t had time to practice and have been absolutely decimated by injuries. I know it sucks to pay for seats and merchandise but you shouldn’t be expecting more from this season anyway and that doesn’t have to do with the Nets moving to BK next year, it has to do with the lockout and the terrible product on the floor.
The Nets suck and it is not Avery’s fault.
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 13, 2012 8:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
* I don't think effort has been the problem
sorry
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 13, 2012 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know what games you are watching
But they have been down double digits in just about every single game and most of those it’s before halftime.
Avery was brought in as a defensive taskmaster and he’s been anything but thus far.
I also don’t want to hear the injuries and tough schedule excuse; the Knicks are missing their two best players are winning games with a bunch of scrubs because theyre actually focusing on the defensive end for a change.
There’s not one team in the history of the NBA that’s won a title or even competed for one without playing lockdown defense.
by TMS11 on Feb 13, 2012 8:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well look at the roster
Stevenson is a great defender but injured and out of shape. James is a solid defender but injured. Hump can block shots and rebound but is a horrendous team defender. Brooks, Morrow and Farmar are not good defenders. DWill is so tired because he has to do it all.
It’s part Avery, part talent.
by ZR on Feb 13, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
While I think talent is a huge issue...
The coaching is awful.
I’l l give a simple simple example. When you come in to double a guy, when he picks up the dribble you come out and protect the 3. Let them take a 1-on-1 shot, it’s contested even if you’re less athletic and will have a lower fg%. You don’t stay there with your PG trying to steal the ball and let them pass out to get an open 3. This is a simple thing to do. Avery needs to coach the team, not sit there like an idiot pointing at random rotations without a scheme. You need to build the habits. The Knicks have their 2 starters out and they’re doing just fine defensively.
If the solution is getting Dwight, then something is just wrong. I’ m sorry you don’t need the #1 defender to make your team not HISTORICALLY the worst defensive team in the last 2 decades. They are playing awful defense because the defensive scheme is totally broken.
by anothernetsfan on Feb 13, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree...it's both
I can’t blame one or the other wholeheartedly though.
Agreed
Definitely not laying all the blame on just Avery. I do think that a big big part of this is the roster is in flux on this Dwightmare so who the heck is going to even try. Especially when playoffs are out of the picture
by anothernetsfan on Feb 13, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
problem is no one seems to care thats the approach we are taking.
People are eating whatever the nets are pushing. Hey we’re getting amare, hey we’re getting melo hey its all new hey here comes dwight. Each time we act like its set in stone. No one wants to look at the product in front of em, ever.
by HabPSU on Feb 13, 2012 1:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
thats not his fault
watch when petro is on the floor, he wants to guard everyone else’s man and vs. the spurs he kept switching to parker, leaving duncan wide open, thats just stupid that is not bad coaching, also when gaines was on the floor as soon as the spurs shot, he did not wait until the rebound was gathered by the Nets, he just ran down the court, causing a spurs offensive rebound, THAT IS NOT COACHING that is just stupid play
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Those ate the times that you coache
But I bet Avery sent them to the bench and let them figure out what they did wrong.
I can forgive Avery for everything but taking players out because of mistakes . I give him a pass for all the trade stuff and Deron hanging over his head buy your supposed to coach players up. This is a key year for Brooks to be taught anything and if he does learn this year , he might not.
by Zartan on Feb 13, 2012 10:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
you mean Johan Petro
the guy Avery asked to have us sign?
"Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa." -- Casey Stengel
by calling all toasters on Feb 13, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
And how many practices has Avery had to work on tightening up the defense?
How can you fire any coach for what’s happening on the basketball court this year? They have no recourse to make changes when things go wrong. It would be one thing if Avery was feuding with key players and the Nets weren’t buying into his system. Accept it seems that everyone in the Nets organization is on board with the franchise’s strategy 100%. From the players, to the coaches, front office, and ownership YOU NEVER HERE PEOPLE BAD MOUTHING ONE ANOTHER INTERNALLY. There seems to be remarkable cohesion and faith in the strategy of Billy to build the roster why Avery tries to keep this sinking ship in the right direction just long enough to be saved.
Let’s see how the Nets defense is when it has players that can defend. Then you can comment on Avery.
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 13, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I wasn't picking on Avery
I was picking on the defensive effort being made by most of the roster.
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Feb 13, 2012 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
Again not about effort
Anthony Morrow keeps like hell on the defensive end but he is still terrible. Do the Nets suck on the defensive glass because guys like Hump and The Landlord aren’t trying hard? Or because they are massively outsized while playing 4 games in 5 nights?
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 13, 2012 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
Ammo is just flat out terrible. He has zero defensive awareness and zero defensive ability. There are time when he tries hard, but that’s fake hustle. As far as rebounds are concerned the Nets are just not working hard enough. Rebounding is about energy, effort, awareness, smarts and positioning. If the bigs are outmatched, then the guards need to get in there and help. There’s no one reason why the Nets are bad at one particular thing, they just suck. You don’t go down by 20 in the first quarter of games if you’re giving tru effort. It’s all fake hustle and lack of execution of basic basketball. If you’re undermanned and less talented, then you have to give 200% from start to finish and outwork the opposition. The nets do not cuz they suck and could care less.
Free JR smith
MarShon has been an above average rebounder for his position
and agreed that Ammo is flat out terrible but don’t understand the fake hustle comment. No athletic ability + fake hustle = not in NBA, so you’re argument doesn’t hold water, IMO. What happens when you have poor post defenders? The perimeter defense collapses to compensate and the three point stripe is left undefended resulting in the team getting pounded all around. I’m tired of people being cynical on this site and acting like this team isn’t playing hard. We’ve seen that with 12-70 and the malaise of J-Kidd’s final year but I don’t buy that this team has fallen into the same pattern. Deron wants to win, Avery needs to win, and there are too many players looking to make names for themselves.
Bring Tom Thibideau in here, he’s not going to get Shawne Williams to defend Lebron James or Josh Smith any better. You could bring in Phil Jackson but he doesn’t turn MarShon into Kobe.
I will not relent on this position until I here a better argument then:
they suck and could care less.
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 13, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
way too many excuses
I’m tired of excuses. There is no excuse for this.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 13, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Its not excuses
It’s just the way it is and firing the coach is an uncreative solution.
We all know the plan and are all tired of anticipating it playing out. If you need a scapegoat you need not look any further than Proky himself, it’s his all-in strategy that started all this:
We will win the championship in one year minimum, five years maximum.
But hey man, I’m tired of it as well.
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 13, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Is this really a surprise?
- We often don’t have a single SF available for the game.
- We don’t have a single 7 footer on the active roster and routinely start two PF’s and a guard in the front line.
- None of our healthy wings can play defense. We brought in Bogans for his defense and in no time his season is over (sigh). Stevenson hasn’t been playing. Morrow has no foot speed and can’t guard the barn door.
- With so much new personnel and so little practice time Nets haven’t developed the essential chemistry needed for playing outstanding defense.
- Nobody defends the leakout on all those long shots. How can the Nets STILL be so bad at this? (and don’t say fire Avery).
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 13, 2012 8:25 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
maybe with the effort we are getting
we should extend his contract…….. j/k
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Feb 13, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
Ummm...
We don’t have a single 7 footer
Hello there, sir.
by Anthony Perez on Feb 13, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
this is bad...
dwight save us
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WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY worse.
Fire Johnson and hire Van Gundy - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking something when he let Van Gundy slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Feb 13, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
way to make us feel better NI
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by netsareboss on Feb 13, 2012 8:39 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
GOOD MORNING, NETS FANS!!!
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Feb 13, 2012 8:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
is it march 15th yet?
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by Keysta101 on Feb 13, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
screw it. in 2 years we'll have a historically good offense
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by netsareboss on Feb 13, 2012 8:41 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions 1 recs
offense>defense
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What do you expect with this rotation
Gaines – Above Average. Plays great on ball defense. A real pest. Can get any minutes
Sheldon – Above Average but playing out of position
Hump – Average
Shawne – Average
Farmar – Average playing out of position at SG
Brooks – Barley Average
DWill – Below Average, When Jeff Teague, Jeremy Lin, Kyre Irving go HAM it’s them it’s you (DWill)
Morrow – Horrible Defender
Petro – Worst Defender in the NBA. Your not suppose to switch on every play
Starshon Brooks A.K.A the Swag Mamba
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Feb 13, 2012 8:44 AM EST reply actions
i agree
petro is so bad, he feels obligated to switch on every play and double team everyone’s man
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Yeah he doesnt realize that DWill vs Greg Monroe isnt the matchup we are looking for
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by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Feb 13, 2012 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
or that you aren't suppose to leave tim duncan wide open
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*cant get minutes for Gaines
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by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Feb 13, 2012 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
Until B Lo comes back I refuse to watch Nets games my liver won't be able to take it
Watching Petro play!!! I’m good
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 13, 2012 8:53 AM EST reply actions
I was trying to give Avery the benefit of the doubt
But after reading this maybe we should fire him. It’s obvious he is not getting through to the players and that is not good for our future. Like resigning D Will, getting D12 to come to Brooklyn, and signing FA’. Message to Proky: Let Avery finish the season out so we can have a chance at getting a good prospect ex. Anthony Davis. Spend what ever it takes to get Phil Jackson out of retirement. D12 will come(hopefully the Magic don’t trade him at deadline), D Will will resign, bring back Hump, bring over Bags, trade Brook and get more assets, get a defensive guru coach to be on the bench, and we will be fine. Proky ya got the cash to make it happen YOU CAN DO IT!!!!!!!!
I like double d's. Deron and Dwight lol.
by TrueNetFan4Life on Feb 13, 2012 8:54 AM EST reply actions
What the hell, this thread title doesn't have the word "Dwight" in it
What gives?
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
no he is not
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Dwight alone won't solve it.
We just have a buynch of slow and dumb defenders combined with the fact that Avery likes to use full court traps and double teams all the time.
Its a double wammy.
It's not about this year
It’s about having Deron & Dwight locked up, and building around them. Every player in the league is going to want to play for a team with those 2 in Brooklyn.
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"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
by eLonepb on Feb 13, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Let's give Avery a team first before we judge him !!!
Who did he have again, so far !!! Com’on the guy has D-Will and a bunch of D-Leaguers and he is a bad coach.
Let’s see what he does with D12 and D-Will this year and next before we even mention anything else …
Avery, Sam Mitchell, Byron Scott, Mike Brown...
They’re all of the same mold, that’s why I don’t believe in Coach of the Year awards, look at what Mike Brown is doing compared to Phil Jackson….
I’m VERY SORRY to burst your bubble, but everyone and their mother expected the Lakers to be under .500 with their ABSOLUTE JOKE of a reserve unit.
Fire Johnson and hire Van Gundy - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking something when he let Van Gundy slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Feb 13, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
Not a surprise
Look at a;ll the wide open shots. Even when they play with intensity (which is about 20 minutes of a game) they are at best mediocre. This means, yes, lack of talent, but it also means, bad BBIQ, bad coaching, and lack of leadership. Does any of that spell AVERY and does some of it spell DWILL?
everyone is responsible for themselves
if you are on the court, you watch your own man, call out screens, box out etc. some of these guys don’t do that and you cannot coach that..its just common sense
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So you noticed their not doing those things?
As a coach , you would not mention it ?
by Zartan on Feb 13, 2012 11:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Trade Lin for DWill!
No wait
Trade Shumpert for Dwill!
by DJ HeavyDuty on Feb 13, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
This is the best quote!
if the nets strikeout on dwight, it would probably be the greatest day of dolan’s life
it is also true
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Last year Landry Fields was the best player in the draft
Now Lin is the best PG in the NBA.
Whatevz.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
by eLonepb on Feb 13, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
If you go a couple of pages deep, you'll find this gem
No way this guy can be serious.
Jeremy Lin is already miles ahead of Deron Williams, and dare i say it, even Derrick Rose. He is so crafty that he doesn’t need to heavily utilize any of his athletic abilities to score around the basket while someone like Derrick Rose basically has to contort his entire body in order to make a play at the basket. If today’s Jeremy Lin had the supporting cast that Rose had last year, Bulls would have won the title, easily
by Anthony Perez on Feb 13, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Great post about jumping the gun on Lin
Two words: Tyreke Evans.
Second week of his rookie season he averaged 26, 6, and 5 on a 59 ts% and a 4-0 record. You think the Kings would like to have a Tyreke for D Will swap? Which is in stark contrast to what you just said.
Tyreke showed: elite skills, athleticism, decision making, and leadership and was playing better than 99% of the NBA but according to you the Kings shouldn’t trade a player like that because they are just too valuable at that point. They’ve played in so many games and have proven themselves so much, that they are just waaaay too valuable. A 5 whole games means that player has a higher ceiling than one of the best players in the game.
Oh and we haven’t even mentioned that Tyreke was a top 5 pick and wasn’t cut by two teams and sent down to the d league by his current team.
by Anthony Perez on Feb 13, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
You want hype? My favorite is this Rotoworld blurb from Friday night.
Lin went toe to toe with Kobe late and didn’t back down to a Lakers squad that regularly tried to rough him up. To say it was a scene at Madison Square Garden doesn’t do it any justice, but let’s get to the fantasy stuff. We’ve seen all types of offers for Lin over the last 48 hours, and if you want to sell while Linsanity is at an all-time high we wouldn’t blame you. However, this is not a fluke and Baron Davis is not a threat. Carmelo Anthony bought into moving the ball around for over a week before his groin injury, and he will have to operate within the construct of Lin and Mike D’Antoni’s vision — not the other way around. Both he and Amare Stoudemire will keep Lin’s scoring numbers in check, but they will virtually guarantee Lin is productive every night due to the weapons he will have. Trading Lin for anything but an early round value is probably a mistake, and yes, the Knicks are contenders now.
http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nba/1772/jeremy-lin
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
Take it with a grain of salt
some people wanted to compare Marshon with Kobe after 10 games, no sense on nitpicking the handful of Knick fans and analysts that hype up Lin. Things will reach a natural stopping point soon enough.
A Nets fan deep in Knicks territory. SOS
by cprash on Feb 13, 2012 10:16 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
For what its worth,
he’s at best Barrea if he learns to distribute, Farmar if he gets a reliable jumper and Gaines if all he does us drive and play pesky defense.
A Nets fan deep in Knicks territory. SOS
by cprash on Feb 13, 2012 10:18 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I don't think the King would trade Tyreke for Deron
by Zartan on Feb 13, 2012 11:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
if deron said he wanted to leave i would
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Feb 13, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
What does this have to do with Nets defense?
Stop being salty. If you want to go that road.
One PG saved his coach’s job and one PG drove a HoF coach to retire.
Deron need to be a better leader, that would help the defense. I don’t know if you can fix Charisma and personality.
ummm maybe because he knows his current roster is incapable of learning anything new?
think about it…other than DWill…who can you really say has legit BBall IQ right now? MarShon is still not truly NBA smart. Hump is just a hard-worker. Morrow may be average when it comes to BBIQ. Outside of these guys every other player on the team shouldn’t be getting more than 10 mins. a game.
ok guys fire avery
and bring in another coach and then fire him…seriously..the coach can only do so much, like my teacher says “you can’t make chicken salad out of chicken moiso”
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by Keysta101 on Feb 13, 2012 9:14 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
...
1 – Deron Williams
2 – Marshon Brooks
3 – Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
4 – Brook Lopez
5 – Dwight Howard
COACH: Jerry Sloan
COACH: Coach K
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Jerry Sloan...comical
Did you follow anything about what happened when DWill was in Utah?
by ZR on Feb 13, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
maybe thats the joke
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I think right now
Jerry Sloan is looking pretty darn good right now to DWill
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Feb 13, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
I think you're absolutely wrong
This will never happen.
We have to get Dwight Howard so if we still can't get to the top there is no one to point to but Avery Johnson...
I’m just afraid he’ll cost us 1 or 2 fishing trips from the playoffs against inferior teams like what he did with a Dallas superteam…
I hope we can sign someone that is great at defense
But who?
Only if the Nets can get lucky enough to draw interest from the best defender in the NBA (who ever that is, I haven’t check the statistics) that would change this team around. To that mystery man, please do the Dwight thing and save the Nets
by nwkiddnj on Feb 13, 2012 9:26 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Signing players means nothing right now
Two important moves that I hope will be made:
1) Acquire Dwight Howard
2) Sign AK47 to start at SF for next season
That will make the Nets SO much better right out of the gate.
Dwight alone wont fix this...
Our guards cant stick with anyone.. our help defense is pathetic.. and im pretty sure Dwight is not gonna help the way we defend the perimeter. The Nets need to shape up and play with heart out there.
Marshon VS Iman: Bring the rivalry on my nuiikkkass!!!
also remember that Ray Allen and Paul Pierce aren't great defenders
Perkins and KG changed all that because of their ability to protect the paint.
For argument's sake !!!
D12
Hump
Stephenson
Morrow
D-Will
The only weakness you may have is morrow, but his open threes will be a wash with his opponent.
Stephenson can be a pest to anyone and Hump will not back down to anyone.
With D12 and D-Will you will have a huge advantage night in and night out.
So yeah, D12 will make a huge difference.
he will also guard the paint
thats what the Nets lack, a solid paint guarder, they focus on the paint so much they let open wide 3s…if the Nets had a respectable paint guarder they would not let up so many 3 point plays and easy inside buckets
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Weak argument
DWill, Morrow & Hump are all bad defenders. Stevenson is never healthy, and can’t play more than 20mpg when he is.
Dwill is not a weak defender, but he is when he has nobody to watch his back.
Hump is decent, I would not say he’s bad.
Stephenson just came off the Finals with a great season. Injury, happens !!! But that was just hypothetical in which we would see a significant change instantly.
The above, however, would not be your finished product.
DWill is not a weak defender, he's just being asked to do too much
Kind of like when Jefferson had to become the Nets go-to scorer. He was too tired to play D as well as he used to.
Morrow and Hump, however, are bad defenders in their own way.
Stevenson can't log starter minutes night in/night out.
We’re gonna need a SF and it might be Hedo as part of the trade.
Having a full season with Dwight Howard and Deron Williams will make a ton of difference
The Nets need to sign players like AK47 and hope defenders like Damion James can stay healthy playing a bench role next season. If the Nets can acquire Howard, retain their #1 and draft someone like Anthony Davis, whole new ballgame.
Randon thoughts...
Nets can’t shoot, pass, rebound or play defense…other then that we are a pretty good team.
Seriously we just don’t have the talent right now to compete in the NBA…Injuries and one dimensional players have left this team crippled. We need MarShon back in game shape and we have to hope Lopez comes back healthy and then we might have a shot at playing some winning basketball. Until then I suspect we will see more of the same miserable basketball being played. I can’t even blame the Nets players because most of them are not talented enough to be legitimate starters in the NBA.
Have to find a way to stay positive right now…
by M I K E on Feb 13, 2012 9:46 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
don't worry
march 15th is closer than you think
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There is no excuse
These guys are posting numbers that make the 12-70 losers look like STUDS.
The Nets are an embarrassment. They need to shut up and make that trade.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 13, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Stephen A Smith was on Mike & Mike
and of course they asked about Dwight. Stephen A said,
"Well I think he goes to Brooklyn at the trade deadline."
And continued going on saying that’s his belief despite Devos saying he doesn’t want to trade Dwight and – most importantly – he didn’t mention any other teams. No Lakers, No Bulls, No Mavs.
You can listen to it here:
Here's the full part, starting around 7:30
Q: Two more for you. You mentioned Dwight Howard. When and where?
Stephen A: Well to me it’s going to be Brooklyn and it’s going to have to be before the trading deadline. Brook Lopez is going to come back and he’s [Dwight] said that’s where he wants to go.
And even though Rich Devos has come out publicly and said he doesn’t want to move Dwight Howard…well, who cares what he wants. No disrespect to him but if Dwight Howard says he wants to leave then they simply can’t risk holding onto him and losing him for nothing come summertime.
So, I just see it being a situation with him being gone before March 15th and he’ll end up in Brooklyn.
by Anthony Perez on Feb 13, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
well everyone and their mama knows he is coming here
its just when…hopefully the summer
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this has probably been theorized by someone on ND before me, but since I just thought of it...
We’re strategically delaying the new logo/colors release for until after we have Dwight. Imagine landing Howard, and then launching a new image for the team with D-Will, Dwight, Jay-Z, Mikhail, etc. all in the house. That would be a stronger new beginning than revealing the new look during a 6-game losing streak.
"Brook Lopez is going to come back and he’s [Dwight] said that’s where he wants to go."
Is this scary to anyone else? I know we’re all being optimistic about Dwight, but what if this whole deal falls through? Then we have a potentially disgruntled center on our hands who – if we’re being honest – has been with us through all of the tough times. Guy must be feeling very isolated from the team. Injured and used as trade bait for Dwight Howard.
its about dwight wanting to come here
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You're reading it wrong.
Dwight said he wants to come with Brooklyn. In conversation, Stephen A switched his subjects mid-sentence and didn’t clarify.
by Anthony Perez on Feb 13, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
I said that Avery needs to take some responsibility for this mess and people disagreed
but I’m sorry, I do not care who is on this roster, if the coach cannot get a solid hard effort out of these men and they are posting up defensive numbers that are amongst the worst ALL TIME, the coach must take this on his shoulders
ESPECIALLY an alleged defensive coach.
I’m not saying fire him now, but his performance during this time of adversity should be scrutinized and not given a pass because of this roster. This is SHAMEFUL.
I dont know what's worse..
The lack of defense or the lack of movement on offense. Pure talent shouldn’t effect either of those aspects but it definitely shouldn’t affect moving without the ball.
I dont care how bad you are. How about a back door cut, pick and roll lob, give and go…ANYTHING.
Its all pound the dribble and stand around. Even talented teams cant win like that.
please don't get me started on Avery's concept of an "offense"
that requires 4 dudes to stand around twiddling their thumbs
He is given way too much of a pass on here.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 13, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
Respect your views in here, but you are way off base.
There is no coach, not even freaking Phil Jax that can do jack with this talent.
D-Will and a bunch of D-Leaguers … com’on. D-Will is being trapped and Morrow need his shot wide open. The rest are bunch of butterfinger dudes.
Give the guy a chance before you judge him.
by d2d on Feb 13, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I heard that 4 years ago
I also watched the Knicks run off 5 straight wins with a starting line up of Tyson Chandler, Jared Jeffries, Bill Walker, Landry Fields, and Jeremy Lin.
You sit there, analyze that line up, and tell me that again with a straight face. And don’t take that the wrong way, I am frustrated with the Nets organization and I respect your opinion, but I cannot stand this anymore. The excuses need to stop on all ends.
We need to collectively stop making excuses for this garbage. When we sit here, and make excuses for piss poor efforts from the players, and piss poor coaching from Avery, we give a vote of confidence to the Nets organization to continue to pull this crap.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 13, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
do not give the Nets
the lane to continue on with parading a piss poor product in front of us. You deserve better. We all deserve better.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 13, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
thats the thing nets fans dont wanna open their eyes
Everything hinges on dwight, sadly, I understand that. But us losing like that is doing damage in its own right. People don’t wanna be critical of this team because we’ll get dwight and everything will be rosy right? What if we don’t and we are garbage still, Deron is gone. I’m not seeing a single upgrade over Lawrence Frank with Avery.
by HabPSU on Feb 13, 2012 11:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Based on what criteria exactly?
The main complaint against Frank was that he didn’t play the game and therefore didn’t have the experience to lead and motivate NBA players. Avery is an NBA champion point guard who is held in high regard as a defensive coach. The Nets offense has been amazing despite the absence of Brook Lopez’s 20 ppg. L-Frank had an All-Star backcourt in Harris and Carter (with Vince putting up 25-5-5) and you could argue the Nets now have a better offense with this dilapidated team.
People point out simple examples of what the Nets are doing wrong and then find that to be indicative of a lack of coaching, as if the six coaches were responsible for the fact that the Nets are slow and constantly get beat back up the court on transition defense!
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 13, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
our offense is better
But one can chalk that up to Derron single handed. You list said a respected defensive coach. Where’s the D? Does it look like our team is motivated?
by HabPSU on Feb 13, 2012 2:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well, I hear you as well. No excuses. We suck, and it hurts.
However, you can not point the whole weight towards the coach.
As far as the freaking NIX, who did they beat: Nets, Utah, Wash, and Old LA (Minnesota basically gift wraped the game) on the back end of the road trip who barely beat Raptros in a crazy shot by Kobe.
Futhermore, D’Antonis system works with the flow and gives you wins during the regular season. There is some type of collective D, but it’s more of a fluid offence. Couple that with a freak roll of a nobody-Lin you get on a roll.
We had similar rolls with the nets in the past, means nothing.
Our team is flat out garbage. Even if he had all our players healthy we are barely an 8th seed. With B-Lo, D-James, Marshon (for a stretch), Memo etc out …. we = garbage. It’s just a fact …
It doesn’t matter who the Knicks have beaten. We have played some garbage teams as well and the team didn’t even bother to show up.
And Avery doesn’t deserve all of the blame, I never said that so I agree with you there, but he definitely needs to have his feet held to the fire. He needs to get more out of these guys than what he is getting, the overall effort has been abysmal.
As far as D’Antoni goes…wins are wins. Avery’s system clearly doesn’t give us anything on offense or defense.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 13, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
also having an owner not really focussed on the team
And thousands of miles away make accountability not as apparent as it should be.
by HabPSU on Feb 13, 2012 11:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
youre still making excuses
Who have the nets beat? None of those teams other than the wiz. You think we’d beat LA even if they were on the end of a back to back to back. No one is saying the knicks are contenders just saying that if you play solid team ball you don’t need a super star. And you can beat teams you’re supposed to beat. We can’t even do that.
by HabPSU on Feb 13, 2012 11:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lin has also benefited greatly from Steve Novak going unconscious
Novak, a career 4 ppg player over 5 seasons, has averaged the following over Lin’s stretch:
15.5 ppg
54% FG%
52% 3pt %
by Anthony Perez on Feb 13, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Just Chandler alone
changes that lineup towards a positive…we have Sheldon Williams…nuff said. Fields can actually hit shots while Shawn Will sucks…Walker can hit 3’s and is more athletic than Morrow and Jeffries is serviceable. Lin is just playing out of his mind right now.
Knicks lineup > Nets lineup
If I can just hide, the sinner inside, and keep him denied.
How sweet life would be, if I could be free, from the sinner in me.
eh
that line up isn’t that great. I do agree about Chandler though
by MrDollarBills on Feb 13, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Melo is going to screw it up for them. He’s a ball hogger.
They’ve been doing well because Lin keeps the ball moving.
"Beware the Ides of March."
yeah
I have a feeling that Melo is going to piss away all of the good that Lin has done with that team. It’s sad that you have Knick fans scared to death of what will happen when the best offensive player on their team returns to the line up. He has to realize now that if he comes back and starts chucking the fans will riot
by MrDollarBills on Feb 13, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
A PG, a center that defends and finishes strong at the rim -
guess what, – the floor is a little more spread for guys to get shots and they run a fas,t ball movement offense.
This season is a wash
Acquire Dwight, move on.
Nets should’ve pushed harder to get Thibodeau when they had the chance. IMO.
agreed
I wanted Thibs(who won a RING with Boston and had the defensive schemes to make Boston a stifling unit on that end of the floor) and the Nets let him walk to the Bulls, and he turned that team into one of the league’s best defensive units overnight with his philosophy. Meanwhile, The Nets hire Avery, banking on the fact that he LOST in the 2006 NBA Finals. He comes in here, does little to make the team better, and actually hampers the team by signing guys like OUTLAW and PETROFL to contracts that no one else would sign them too.
You have to complete ASS to make me wish for Lawrence Frank back.
Billy King should have been hired first. Not sure what Mikhail and his people were thinking by doing that.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 13, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
but lets hear the same old tired
“its the players” excuse. I’ve been hearing it for almost 5 years now.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 13, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
I think it's both...this season is a wash because the injuries to two key players have really hampered the Nets plans...at least offensively
Defensively, I don’t know what to say. The Nets are just not the type of defensive club I expected when Avery came in.
Let’s see what happens if/when Dwight comes on board.
that had nothing to do with noah boozer deng gibson and rose right?
this is like judging Doc river before the celtics got garnett and ray allen
by mightymosdefinition on Feb 13, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Avery has to go
The question is who replaces him. I understood the hiring in the summer of Lebron, because he was the high profile coach with the highest winning percentage in history (at the time). Of course most realized he was fools gold since he took over a talent rich team & was still run out of town. He is cheap though, since Cuban was still paying him.
That being said, we missed the boat. Adelman was available, but we were committed to Avery. A Sloan/DWill reunion will never happen, so unless we’re dusting off Larry Brown, what really good coach is available? Now if we really wanted to stick it to the Knicks, we go out & break the bank for the guy they all expect will be their next head coach (Phil Jackson). If Prokhy really wants to win the war for NY, you have D12, DWill & the Zen Master opening up Barclay’s.
Phil Jackson running the triangle
with the best pure point guard in the league? I just don’t understand what problems people have with Avery?
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 13, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
why can't we just accept the fact that we don't have any good defensive players
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It's shameful to try pin this on Avery
and noteworthy that it’s only fans calling for Johnson’s demise.
When was the training camp to integrate the new roster into Johnson’s defensive schemes?
When are the consistent practices to drill? Where are the post defenders and shot blockers on this team? He has two rotation players in Morrow and Shawne Williams that are strictly spot up shooters that have zero lateral movement and can’t defend a carrot. You have two rookies giving you regular rotation minutes and have no idea where to be on defense because they haven’t been practicing and this season is a whirlwind. You have a team with the most different starting lineups this season and an unbelievable misfortune with injuries.
What do you want him to do? Bench players? When they have 8 guys? Not play Morrow, Shawne, and Petro? When they have 8 guys? This is just nonsense. Fire the Fans!
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 13, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Thank you
And notice how everybody just says ‘Fire Avery’ and than points to a lack of effort. And yet you have Anthony Morrow saying the other day with evident respect how ‘Coach is the most competitive person ever’, which the team uses as motivation. They have competed despite being horribly out manned and under qualified. And it’s not just Avery you besmirch when you cry for his ouster, it’s also P.J. Carlissimo and the rest of the excellent staff that has really started to develop the young talent in this organization.
If Avery is so terrible why have Hump, Morrow, and Farmar each had easily the best two years of their careers here? Just doesn’t make sense to me.
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 13, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
every team
has had ZERO PRACTICE TIME AND NO TRAINING CAMP
It’s a weak excuse BKNets. Don’t give them that kind of pass for what they’ve been doing.
And “fire the fans”? Really? The fans who have put up with this garbage? The Nets are lucky anyone gives a damn at all.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 13, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
DB, I can understand your frustration, but let's be real
We’re playing guys major minutes that should be getting 10-15 minutes a game at best.
I don’t think there is another team in the NBA that has the rash of injuries that we have had, and for the period of time that we have had.
that explains why we're below average
but we are HISTORICALLY AWFUL. That takes a defensive genius like Avery.
"Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa." -- Casey Stengel
by calling all toasters on Feb 13, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
you guys need a healthy dose of skepticism
first of all, Stephen A. Smith? Really?
Until it happens, it hasn’t happened and I don’t care who is writing what, no one knows what’s going to happy 35 days from now (the deadline) or four and a half months from now (free agency).
Jeremy Lin is likely to be named the Eastern Conference Player of the Week. Eight days ago, it looked like he would be cut on Tuesday. If that can happen, anything can happen.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Stephen A
said that lebron was going to Miami and he was dead on.
I’m with you though, I’m not sure where everyone is just assuming that Dwight/Deron is set in stone. I suspect that it will happen but with the Nets I’d rather wait to see it happen instead of declaring it a done deal.
those of you buying tickets for games after the deadline need to be wary…
by MrDollarBills on Feb 13, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's not a track record
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
I agree but,
Stephen A is credible. David Pingalore he is not.
Dwight and Deron = Win
New York Giants Super Bowl XLVI Champions
by Tylerguy42 on Feb 13, 2012 10:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No, he isn't
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Not that Stephen A is always right
But it’s not like we’re quoting some dude from the Sacramento Bee. And as MDB said, he did call Lebron to Miami before everyone else.
At least it’s not IncarceratedBob
by Anthony Perez on Feb 13, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
And the point is that the media is starting to shift to "unequivocally Nets"
When asked, fewer reporters are giving much chance to Lakers or Mavs. They’re name-dropping them, but the Nets are being more and more favored.
It’s a hint about the rumblings.
by Anthony Perez on Feb 13, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
We have to find optimism in something
The product on the floor isn’t helping at all. I’m the same as I was regardless of various reports – optimistic, given everything we’ve seen/read and given how this situation is perfect for him.
you might be
but I’m just trying to make people here have some sense of balance.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
no
you seem to be perturbed. Everyone else is having an honest, civil discussion, and you’re being belligerent. It’s unnecessary.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 13, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Stephen A gives you eye cancer.
He said on radio that current McGrady is a physical defensive stopper. The man has no credibility.
The problem with the Nets' defense is not just individual, but also they do not play defense as a team
They should be communicating, point out to each other who has who, pointing out screens. Most of the time everyone’s just doing their own thing
Yet, somehow, none of the blame appears to fall on Avery Johnson. Interesting.
by Dopeness on Feb 13, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I said it before and I'll say it again
for many people nothing can ever be Avery’s fault.
"Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa." -- Casey Stengel
by calling all toasters on Feb 13, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Great point
so how is it that you point that clear cut fact out, yet Avery Johnson has absolutely zero responsibility for that?
by MrDollarBills on Feb 13, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
nope
because you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him call out screens and none of us knows what goes on at the practices
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I'm not buying this keysta, sorry.
What Muwu pointed out falls DIRECTLY onto the feet of coaching. You cannot deny this.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 13, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
that's nice
15 starting lineups in 28 games. No center to speak of.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Tyson Chandler, Jared Jeffries, Bill Walker, Landry Fields, and Jeremy Lin.
Anytime someone wants to give the Nets or Avery a pass for what we’ve seen this year, I will post this line up.
Tyson Chandler, Jared Jeffries, Bill Walker, Landry Fields, and Jeremy Lin.
That line up by all accounts is GARBAGE. Yet, they play hard, they defend, they grit it out,and they come away with a win.
The Nets have no excuses. I don’t care who is injured. We have an All Star PG out there busting his ass and his teammates do not put forth the same effort save 2 guys or so.
tyson chandler is not garbage defensively
who do we have? hustle does not always equal skill, if you suck you just suck
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Hustle and effort
make a world of difference.
and I never said that he was garbage, I said the overall line up is garbage. You can’t sit here, call what we have a d league line up, and pretend that what the Knicks have been parading out there is a pack of all stars
by MrDollarBills on Feb 13, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
One guy is not making that big a difference...
Once again … one guy is not making that big of a difference, the coach is.
Tyson Chandler is good defensively. And the rest?
by anothernetsfan on Feb 13, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
is it possible that this team can also not be playing as hard as they can? Everyone besides D-Will is on the trading block… Most have 1 year contracts and may not be resigned next year. There are so many factors that play into this
guys like Shawne Williams
can put his feet up and relax. For some reason, the Nets made sure that he’ll be receiving 6+ mil guaranteed. It’s no coincidence that this guy came into camp out of shape and has played like he doesn’t give a damn
I would rather have Outlaw back at 3 per than that BUM. At least Travis tried for as bad as he was.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 13, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
I have been adamantly against the Shawne Williams signing since the beginning
Another recipient of the D’Antoni treatment.
With you on that one
always seemed like a desperation move. Luckily his contract is not very onerous.
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 13, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Who on this team has played these kinds of minutes in their entire career? I think the Nets show up on Wed but by the end of stretch and right before the ASG, the wheels fall off again.
A Nets fan deep in Knicks territory. SOS
by cprash on Feb 13, 2012 10:37 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
OK compare this !!!
Lin played on D-Will’s level during that stretch, not saying he’s Dwill (let’s not get it mixed up).
Who is better?
Chandler, Jeffries, Novak (going nuts, not Walker), Fields OR SheWill, Hump, Morrow, Shawnee ?
we're comparing defense...
Novak wasn’t going nuts on defense
by anothernetsfan on Feb 13, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
In D'Antoni system, Offence is your best D.
Novak during the stretch as mentioned above …
15.5 ppg
54% FG%
52% 3pt %
I will say this...
Morrow might be one of the worst defenders in the league at SG. The guy is literally 100% work ethic 0% athleticism. I can respect that, but it’s brutal on the defensive end. Can he even dunk? I mean that’s kind of a joke if he can’t
by anothernetsfan on Feb 13, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
You can look at Ray Allen
I don't speak English
by RussianNets on Feb 13, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Ray Allen is in a different world compared to Morrow .... com'on!
He used to carry Sonics on his back against kobe. He can drive, and he’s one of the best players without the ball since Reggie Miller.
Morrow is not even in that conversation. He’s a great shooter when open, that’s it.
100% agree with this statement
Morrow will never ever be a Ray Allen… not even in the same conversation
by anothernetsfan on Feb 13, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Upside scenario for Morrow is
Steve Kerr wannabe if that
by anothernetsfan on Feb 13, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
not even
Kerr was a good game manager; Morrow is the better shooter. Two different player entirely. Morrow’s ceiling is really just of a Trent Tucker type. Spot up and shoot. Even Kyle Korver does a little more than Morrow. Korver can be a good rebounder when he gets minutes.
by Versifiervt on Feb 13, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Fair point...
And goes back to the simple problem. Morrow has 0 athleticism so he can’t get rebounds
by anothernetsfan on Feb 13, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Problem with Morrow is that he will shoot about .500
12-15 then 3-15….He is a very inconsistent scorer and if he’s not shooting well he’s pretty much useless…
by M I K E on Feb 13, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Plus he can't play defense for moiso
but at least he has improved his one and two dribble mid range game.
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 13, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Korver is exactly the same player that Morrow is
Except Morrow is the better shooter, and has added more to his game.
Ray also is not the elite defender. It does not possess the big athleticism, but it did not prevent to become Boston the Champion
I don't speak English
by RussianNets on Feb 13, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Ray Allen is a good defender
with super-elite athleticism and a surefire HOF. Don’t be fooled by the fact that he wont go crazy dunking on you, he is still so quick and explosive curly off of screens and jumping. It’s not just his smooth stroke that makes his shot so deadly, it’s how much separation he gets by that added spring in his jump. You just can’t really guard that.
On defense he uses his quickness and plus instincts to play fantastic team defense. He may not have the length or strength to dominate one-on-one, but he has the speed, endurance and BBIQ to get it done.
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 13, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
You cannot compare Ray Allen to Anthony Morrow
Night and day.
Ray Allen HOF and top 50 player all time.
Morrow a border line starter.
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 13, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
That lineup is long and athletic with a dominant defensive Center in the middle
Who happens to be 7’ 1". Jared Jeffires is a defensive specialist and Landry Fields might as well be because he’s a terrible offensive player. Nets have no wing athletes, last time I checked. Nets have no interior defenders taller than 6’ 9", last time I checked.
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 13, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
last time I checked
the Nets have a superstar PG
by MrDollarBills on Feb 13, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Who's played pretty good defense
considering there is nobody to get his back.
Last time I checked the NBA had eliminated hand checking on the perimeter making it nearly impossible to stop quick guards on the perimeter. How is Dwill going to stop Rose without a capable center to trap him?
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 13, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
No mention of Shumpert
No mention of the fact that Melo is not as terrible as everyone makes him out to be on defense. He has all the tools to be a good player just not the will. Fire D’antoni!
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 13, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
The Nets were playing hard and giving better teams fits for a good 2-week stretch last month.
They’ve dogging it now. Trade rumors likely at the heart of it.
This isn’t all Avery. This isn’t all roster.
This is people. This is egos.
This is a team of 1-year players not wanting to bust their ankles and knees for a team with no intent on keeping them long term.
by Anthony Perez on Feb 13, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
this is something
that I will give some thought towards because I have had a suspicion that it got around that a deal is in place for after the ASG and guys stopped giving a damn. It honestly seems like two completely different teams from one month to the next.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 13, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with that
And it also might be a grind and fatigue. Mostly you have to point to to home though. The Nets hate playing in front of us and I don’t blame them. When this team was on a roll they were mostly on the road.
The possibility of a trade seems real. The media reports started to change in the Nets favor about the time the team started to stink. I bet it’s a coincidence rather than some secret back channel deal.
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by BrooklynNets on Feb 13, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Also...
I think teams get worse as the season goes on and they realize they’re out of playoff contention and really have no shot. It’s human nature, you’re pretty optimistic going in, but the second things start falling apart you kind of give up.
by anothernetsfan on Feb 13, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
It's gotta be more
They started their rapid descent right after the 2-game winning streak.
by Anthony Perez on Feb 13, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
GUys are getting their shots because of the play of
PG and C – not to mention LIn is playing out of his mind right now – won’t last forever.
With all this debates about AJ and D12 I'm getting tired of the biggest mistake we making right now
Play B Lo Right Now!!!
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 13, 2012 10:43 AM EST reply actions
He'll yeah
this bums including D Will won’t do shoot without big boy that can score. One’s b Lo comes back we going to start busting asses of other teams, just look at last season D Will and B Lo
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 13, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Why would you risk, even if it's a slim chance of risk in there...???
If all goes as reported, B-Lo is being treated for ORL.
This season is basically done. We are going with the motions till the deadline.
B-Lo will play super limited, and that is after ASG.
I'll just say I'll take my chances
worst case we will have him for another 5 years IF H E WILL STAY
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Feb 13, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
That is ABSURD
HOW? When Lopez is the key to a potential Dwight trade, how do you start playing him when he’s not 110% ready?
i dont expect him to be in any type of playing shape before March
there’s just no way he can go from 6 weeks in a boot and then two weeks later hop up and start playing 20-25 minutes a night in a condensed schedule
just has disaster all over it like Brandon Roy, Gilbert Arenas, and T-Mac who all rushed back way too early from major surgery on their lower half of body
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 13, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
That's not what I was responding to
“Play B Lo right now!!!” was what I was responding to.
Lopez will play before the deadline, but not until after the ASG. Pretty sure BK already said that.
I dont get it
Every single night Mike Fratello solemnly points out all the Nets issues and what they should do to improve and every time they come back out they do the same crap. Why Fratello doesnt have a coaching job is beyond me.
Even more beyond is how Avery ever got a coaching job in the first place.
Marshon VS Iman: Bring the rivalry on my nuiikkkass!!!
DEFENSE??
Shawne Williams disagrees with this tread!!
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
The Most Interesting Man In The World---->Mikhail Prokhorov!!!
by Kidd2Petrovic on Feb 13, 2012 10:49 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Sweet
I’ve never seen someone box out a layup before
by anothernetsfan on Feb 13, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
he probably has ways to pass that!!
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
The Most Interesting Man In The World---->Mikhail Prokhorov!!!
by Kidd2Petrovic on Feb 13, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
We REALLLLLLLLY need to play some good basketball soon
I played about 30 hours of Skyrim and NBA2k this weekend because the Nets games
Weren’t even close after the half
i am told not
i did ask
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
I've been very patient with Avery
but he has to go. While I can’t blame all of the defensive problems on him (especially because of the last-minute roster changes, lack of practice, overall lack of talent, etc.), it the the coaches MAIN job to set the tone for the team. He doesn’t seem to hold players accountable and his substitutions are extremely questionable.
Also, his overall defense schemes just don’t make too much sense at times. For example, why do we double-team down in the post so often…especially on marginal players. I’d rather give up two points than three points, but we keep on leaving the three-point shooters wide open with the double and triple teams. Maybe players are doing that on themselves, but if that’s the case he should be screaming at them for doing that. Also, we must user the zone more than any other team. Yes, I know he probably does that because we don’t have the talent to play 1 on 1, but its just pure insanity to keep on playing zone when we’re terrible at it. At least try something different! Maybe play press more often…I’m not really sure. However, I’d at least like to see Avery TRYING something different.
by NYScratches on Feb 13, 2012 11:00 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
how can you hold players accountable
when you havent had more than 10 players available since January 25?
You can’t bench players if you dont have player to replace them.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Feb 13, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Now it is not a high time to dismiss him. We need to show what that stability. With our roster any trainer wouldn't gain more than 10 win
I don't speak English
he is not going anywhere
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
This is something we already knew...now we got the stats to prove it lol
http://worldaroundsports.wordpress.com/
historically bad......
And we’ll be contenders if we trade for dwight, riiiight? A lot of work needs to be done here. I know I’m beating a dead horse but this is what happens when you put all your eggs on a pipedream. Just hope to god it works out for us.
by HabPSU on Feb 13, 2012 11:16 AM EST via mobile reply actions
my reoccuring nightmare
Dwight triple teamed and Dwill double teamed, everyone else shooting open bricks.
On D, Dwight fighting four guys for the rebound while our guys stare at him.
We need more pieces.
A Nets fan deep in Knicks territory. SOS
by cprash on Feb 13, 2012 11:23 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
i cant argue with that for now
But Lin will come back to earth. Hes played 20 games less than his entire team. You need a good team. U two superstars and trash. Knicks tried that was failing.
by HabPSU on Feb 13, 2012 2:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What's the alternative?
We sign Nene or Tyson Chandler and be a mediocre 8th seed bounced in the first round for the next 5 years?
The Nets did that at the tail end of the JKidd era and the D Harris era. We got caught in a cycle where we were good but not great and that held us back from getting good draft picks and from really going anywhere.
Now is the time to put all of your eggs in one basket – ESPECIALLY when that basket is named Dwight and has made a request to your team specifically.
Filling in the roster will be very easy when you have DWill and Dwight there. Getting the superstars is the hard part. Getting the role players is the easy part.
….And no the NYK are not a good comparison IMO because DWill and Dwight to me are at a level certainly above Stoudemire and quite possibly above Melo too…
by acg5001 on Feb 13, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was having trouble watching us play especially these last two weeks...
I was getting very upset and disappointed game after game. But then I changed the way I viewed the game. Instead of getting mad when the Nets screwed up on almost every play, I decided to enjoy how creative and mind boggling inept they have become. It’s like watching a Keystone Cop comedy. I still hate the losing but I’ve learned to put it in perspective for my own health and well being.
In other words these Nets can’t break me…They have come close but in the end I’m tougher then they are…I will wait them out. Sooner or later they will come around…
by M I K E on Feb 13, 2012 11:23 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Lol, I actually enjoy every game (loss and all).
We endured a 12-70 season, without a light at the end of the tunnel ( I think some of us would even accept a train light).
This season is like sitting at the airport on a delayed departure for a super fun trip of your choice.
exactly
and the wait is only 1 month and 2 days
ITS A VVVVVVVVVVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEE
We hope...
but I’m not getting my hopes up that this will be resolved by March 15th…We may be waiting until July…
No you wont, even if D12 and Nets would like that.
ORL is playing the court of public, but you don’t really think they are that stupid.
I know some here really think that, but they are business man first, and they haven’t become that with being stupid.
They will NOT allow a Shaq 2.0 on their city again, and NOTHING <<<< Any Nets Package.
D12 is gone by the deadline (this is more obvious that Melo as D12 actually publicly asked for trade).
Whether he winds up here, it’s another question and you can weakly debate it.
well with there senile owner they may do what he says and lead to dwight going to FA
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Feb 13, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
i don't see him going to FA but you never know
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Feb 13, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Dude, the owner said 50/50 which is to look good and get fans on his back.
He already gave the OK to trade him if he doesn’t resign as reported earlier.
I love this board
the same people who used to say that we didn’t need to worry about defense because “Avery will make everyone better” are now arguing that he can’t possibly have anything to do with the team’s defense. It’s hard to be wrong twice when you contradict yourself, but they have done it.
"Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa." -- Casey Stengel
by calling all toasters on Feb 13, 2012 1:48 PM EST reply actions
on the bright side
the 05-06 Sonics fired their coach after 30 games. We have now played 29.
"Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa." -- Casey Stengel
by calling all toasters on Feb 13, 2012 1:51 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I root for the Nets
so I’m not getting my hopes up.
"Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa." -- Casey Stengel
by calling all toasters on Feb 13, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Avery is the genius who lost to an 8th seeded team after his loaded team went on to an NBA-best record....
and lost the championship to Miami after leading 2-0 and up 11 in the 4th qr of game 3.
Mark Cuban’s billions couldn’t help Avery and so will Proky’s…
by jirohkanzaki on Feb 13, 2012 4:10 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
These Dallas teams were favorites to win it all...
no “it’s because of the players” excuse since these Dallas teams were deep… Avery was exposed so he got fired… Dallas then wins the championship when they were UNDERDOGS last year….
by jirohkanzaki on Feb 13, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Also, Avery giving assistant coach job to good friend Mario Elie? What did Elie do in Sacramento to deserve a spot???
and who hired Elie in Sacto in the first place? Paul Westphal… another one who doesn’t deserve to coach in the NBA…
Avery did have a good history of getting people to compete on a high level.
Trade rumors and chemistry not working. Something has got to give.
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