Game 8 - Nets @ Raptors - Friday, January 6, 7:00
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PrintAndrea Bargnani is on a roll. He scored 31 points in Toronto’s win over Cleveland Wednesday night, his second 30-plus night of the season and his sixth straight game of 20 or more so far this season. DeMar DeRozan has two straight 20-point games and has developed a deadly three point shot, hitting eight of his last 12 shots from deep.
They're 3-3 and have a two-game win streak. In other words, these are not your old Raptors. Moreover, Coach Dwane Casey has them playing defense and playing hard. In those last two wins, they beat the Cavaliers by 15 and the Knicks by five.
For the Nets, the injury report still looks a lot like one in the NFL. Brook Lopez is of course out. Damion James is doubtful, Marshon Brooks is questionable and Kris Humphries and Deron Williams are probable. Avery Johnson expects an injury update on Lopez later today. After decent performances against the Celtics, expect Jordan Farmar and Jordan Williams to get more time on the court.
- New Jersey Nets Game Notes - New Jersey Nets
- Toronto Raptors Game Notes - Toronto Raptors
- Getting Inside - New Jersey Nets - Sports Xchange
- Toronto Raptors Game Notes - Sports Xchange
- Nets-Raptors Preview - Noey Kupchan - Stats LLC
- Deron Williams, Kris Humphries expect to play for Nets v. Toronto - Colin Stephenson - Star-Ledger
- Nets’ 1st workout since start of season - Fred Kerber - New York Post
- Nets getting Deron Williams, Kris Humphries back - Andy Vasquez - The Record
- Friday: Nets at Raptors - Doug Smith - Toronto Star
- Casey lays down the law with underperforming big man Davis - Doug Smith - Toronto Star
- Fans will be fans, let 'em have their fun Doug Smith - Toronto Star
- Calderon, Bargnani bring their D - Ryan Wolstat - Toronto Sun
- Raptors vs Nets Tipoff - Ryan Wolstat - Toronto Sun
- Will crowds boo Kris Humphries when he returns to Toronto tomorrow? Kim Kardashian, we presume, says yes Fame Monsters - Toronto Life
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This team cannot defend the perimeter
and 4 out of 5 players in Toronto’s starting rotation can knock down the deep ball. Yikes.
Same thing I thought
I feel like we lose pretty often to the Raptors, or it’s at least always a close game. Remember our team last year in London that took overtimes to win… with Lopez dropping huge points.
Now we have no Lopez.
I don’t see a win here, but perhaps Deron starts playing like Deron?
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We matchup well agianst them.
But not without Brooks. Nets had em beat in the first Lodon game pretty early. The second game Brook nearly got a triple double 30+ points, 14 or + redounds and 8 blocks.
But they’re playing better and no Lopez so barring D Will comming alive loss.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
i remember the one game up in toronto they blew something of a 7 point lead in 90 seconds
think brook and someone else missed 3/4 free throws and the raptors got two back-to-back threes from i think calderon and barbosa who banked some lucky fadeaway with 2 seconds on the shot clock and 7 seconds left in the game
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 6, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
I hate that!
we defend, defend, defend, then as the shot clock expires it’s kicked out for a last-ditch 3-pointer that swooshes through the net. Or we strip the ball but it bounces into the hands of the other team for a 2nd chance layup.
"A little boy went out to play. When he opened his door, he saw the world. As he passed through the doorway, he caused a reflection. Evil was born. Evil was born, and followed the boy."
Wizards, yup
Epic triple overtime games.
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When healthy and with Lopez
We can beat all but a few teams on any given night.
When healthy minus Lopez I think we can beat:
Washington
Detroit
Sacramento
GS
Phoenix
Minny
NOH
Utah
Charlotte
Toronto
NY
Cleveland
On any given night.
This team is under achieving big time.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 6, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
cmon we gotta have this game
"Dear Mark - You showed the world not only what a great team you have, but also, that you can remain silent for a period of weeks--I don't know which is more shocking!"
DWill Era- 7-18
We should have had the Cleveland game too. This team as is its energy is way too inconsistent.
Which on do we get today; Jekyll Or Hyde?
they've lost like 6 games in a row
they are pretty consistent to me
by MrDollarBills on Jan 6, 2012 7:47 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Shooting is all it is
If our perimeter shooters were hitting shots at their normal percentage (assuming last year was a norm) we’d be winning or keeping these games FAR closer.
The fact that Okur, Sha. Williams, and Morrow cannot seem to find their range is truly depressing. We have zero hope unless they start hitting shots.
One would think eventually their game will come to them… but who knows what they did in the offseason.
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Okur is coming along I think
not sure what’s wrong with ammo and shawill
by MrDollarBills on Jan 6, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Floor spacing. They need Lopez or another threat down low to give them wide open looks. Shawne Williams has no excuse for some of the wide open treys he is missing but we definitely aren’t getting Anthony Morrow enough good looks.
Shawne is embarrassing so far
And we will likely be stuck with his 3m next season
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 6, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
At least he’ll be playing for his next contract next season , so he might get his crap together.
"This isn’t fantasy or rotisserie basketball. Why would Denver want Outlaw? Would you?" - Al Iannazzone
by strange-brew on Jan 6, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
STRETCH
He won’t be a Net next season.
I'd rather stretch Petro or Farmar
Saves more money
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 6, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
I know what's wrong with ammo.
He’s just an awful basketball player.
by GrandKenyon6 on Jan 6, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
he doesn't look like he's setting his feet
to shoot, just really quickly flinging the ball. I like that he tries to put the ball on the floor and drive too, but it never works and he always bricks the shot.
"A little boy went out to play. When he opened his door, he saw the world. As he passed through the doorway, he caused a reflection. Evil was born. Evil was born, and followed the boy."
Okur is shooting well from deep
He can’t shoot inside the arch. I’ll gladly take 39% 3 point shooting from a center. He had an off shooting night versus Boston, but that’s been the exception, not the rule for Okur.
Hope toronto doesnt hit wide open shots?
See knick game
Need some D-12
@mviola24
by Mike Viola on Jan 6, 2012 7:28 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Maybe we'll have good news about the Arena Curtain Wall.
by jerry25 on Jan 6, 2012 7:28 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
momentarily
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
We need this..
presently the 2nd worst record after Washington..
If we lose this game.. when is our next win??
Jan 13 at Phoenix (road games not easy)
Jan 14 @ jazz
jan 18 @ GS
jan 22 home vs Charlotte???
could get REALLY ugly.. so we need to win
On a scale of 1 - 10, where 5 is a 50% chance of playing ...
where do you put “Doubtful” and “Questionable”?
I would say 3 and 5 respectively.
In football, injuries are characterized like this:
Out – 0% chance to play
Doubtful – 25%
Questionable – 50%
Probable – 75%
Orlando just needs a 2nd team to up the pricetag, just as with Melo last season.
They don’t want to rebuild.
The pick probably goes to a 3rd of 4th team.
I dont doubt billys ability to bring in a 3 or 4 th team into trade talks. I just don't want to get fleeced at deadline.
He already put brook and 5 number 1s on the table. Hump and brooks maybe moved at deadline.
Maybe with DJames out, Shawne will find his 3 pt. range tonight.
There is always a silver lining.
Or a perfect storm.
Need some D-12
@mviola24
by Mike Viola on Jan 6, 2012 7:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ugh Shawne Williams might be our silver lining...
I just gagged a bit.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Jan 6, 2012 8:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
At this point we still do not know what kind of team
We have. If brooks hump and dwill come back healthy,
Who knows if they eventually play well.
Dwill hump okur brooks have not played well at the same time together.
They could all of a sudden click. Its a homer spin but what do you want me to say? We r gonna lose every game by 20-30? Oh we already do that
Need some D-12
@mviola24
by Mike Viola on Jan 6, 2012 7:40 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Yes...
But Bass tried to “posterize” him with an aggressive dunk and failed… Then got a second chance, burned him 1 on 1, and threw down a nasty one.
It’s ok though, growing pains for the rook. Rather see him develop with a little playing time taken from Petrofl’s mins.
by NetAnalyst on Jan 6, 2012 8:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
In garbage time
Hardly counts.
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This is a win. Guaranteed!!
Dont pay your mortgages rent or carpayment take that money and put it on this game.
We are going to get a win!!
Deron has somethng to prove tonite.
There's nothing guranteed when it comes to the nets
This game is definitely winnable but dont underestimate toronto, they have been playing miles better than us as a team this season..
by BkNetsfan on Jan 6, 2012 8:37 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
James isnt playing so we have a chance
Okur
Hump
Shawne or Stevenson
Gaines (if Brooks sits)
DWill
I prefer Shawne over James. James plays with alot of energy but besides rebounding he doesnt do anything. I know Shawne has been in a slump but alot of his shots have been halfway down. He will pick it up.
Morrow should be benched. He has NO BALL SKILLS WHATSOEVER. As soon as Morrow starts dribbling he is either going to force a horrible shot, telegraph a pass, or kick the ball out of bounds. He also kills any fast break if he has the ball and we have numbers. He is strictly catch and shoot.
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jan 6, 2012 8:19 AM EST reply actions
Again, LAdies and Gentlemen, I give you:
DWILL-of-the-GODZ…
aka: Shawne Williams’ Super Agent !!!!!!!
Seriously my man, you have to be related to have that much love.
But I will agree w/ you on Morrow...
Although, I don’t see “AMMO” as strictly “catch and Shoot.”
I see Morrow more as “Catch and Release”
As in… buh-bye.
the offense has to get Ammo involved early
post ups
curls
keep him moving towards the basket
Lopez created space for Ammo
AJ has to use him more instead of less
by DJ HeavyDuty on Jan 6, 2012 8:35 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Man...That's cruel...(LOL)
Don’t worry about Morrow…he will find his niche on this team.
Morrow has been trying to be a complete player and maybe he’s better off going back to being a spot up deadly sniper…
Sniper rifles are more effective
If you remember The AMMO
by Chakroot on Jan 6, 2012 8:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Morrow should never play
the only time he should be in the game is if we’re down 3 with 10 seconds left and we have the ball.
by GrandKenyon6 on Jan 6, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
i acually prefer stevenson over shawne...shawne has been off
ITS A VVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEEEEE
Kobe's wrist
Bryant underwent Orthokine therapy, which involves a healing activator used in the popular blood-spinning treatments known as platelet-rich plasma therapy, on his knee this offseason and is considering the same treatment for his wrist.
"I’m looking into that right now," Bryant said.
Bryant said he would not need any recovery time after the procedure.
"Don’t need to miss a game to do it," Bryant said. "We’ll see."
"I define passion as extreme emotion."
When you have to shoot, shoot don't talk.
he needs surgery. period
by DJ HeavyDuty on Jan 6, 2012 8:36 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Just another game...
The real season begins when the playoffs start. The question being: will the nets make the playoffs??
At their current pace, absolutely not.
Great in depth analysis... LOL)
We need to win another game this season…might as well be tonight.
by M I K E on Jan 6, 2012 8:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not afraid to throw a few haymakers! LOL
It is sad though, when even games versus the east’s bottom tier feels like a blowout waiting to happen
I know what you mean...but you have to remember...
wins and loses do not apply to our current Nets team. We have bigger goals then just winning silly basketball games. its kind of like the American Civil War…The Confederates army won almost every battle but the Union army ended up winning the war…
Our team is in such a situation
That we transcend petty wins and losses. We judge those who “keep track of the teams’ record with silly numbers and ludicrous hyphens to separate the two columns”
by Chakroot on Jan 6, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If Brooks shows he's a 20-point scorer...
Doesn’t he become more valuable than Monta Ellis?
So our trade offer basically becomes Brook (hope he is healthy), cheaper Monta, potentially high lottery pick and whatvever else BK can put together for Dwight and Hedo.
Doesn’t that sound better than only Bynum for Dwight? I really don’t think Lakers send both Bynum and Pau for Dwight and Hedo as they would have their hands tied for 3 years and Dwight is not THAT much better than the new and improved Bynum that Jim Buss loves.
Also note Bynum is FA in one year...
Do you think Orlando really wants to start the clock ticking all over again. If Dwight goes to LA, I strongly consider tanking another year for Bynum…although Deron is gone in this scenario.
If I'm Orlando, I'm taking Bynum
But I don’t know how they dump Duhon and Turk – Gasol?? I don’t see the Lakers trading Bynum & Gasol.
The Nets package offers them the ability to get a lesser Center in Brook + young rookie prospect in Brooks + rid yourself of tons of salary to make a run at free agents with our expirings + likely lottery pick.
Just a matter of what Orlando wants to do. I really hope they hold onto him and he can leave as a free agent.
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I hope they hold on to him, or trade him to a rental team
Like GS or Atlanta (which seems slim)
I also think they face a major risk with Bynum and they know it. Not only are his injuries a concern, but so is his free agent status. He can leave the team in 18 months, and be the third franchise big to leave them.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 6, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
At this point, Brook is the bigger injury concern
Is his foot going to hamper him for the rest of his career?
Bynum had some bad injuries caused by other players, but has now come back and dominated. You know how he’ll rebound from injuries.
Brook? It’s his first. How will he respond? He was already soft, slow, and dim witted at times. So what happens now?
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How's his brother Robin responding to the same injury ?
Brook will be fine and if for some reason we don’t land Howard…I’m perfectly happy having Brook on this Nets team…And Brook played in every game in his first three seasons, mostly on a bad Nets team in chaos, so I wouldn’t call him soft…
Agreed
Many of Bynum’s injuries were more freak injuries. Brook’s injury has a better chance of recurring on its own. It killed Yao Ming’s career, but Pau Gasol has rebounded from that injury with no ill-effects. Size-wise Lopez is in between the two.
So has Brook's brother Robin
And so has Damion James! No soreness in that fo- oh wait…
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But why would he?
Orlando will be able to offer him more money than any other team.
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Bynum will already be rich and only 24...
I do not think the 5th year will matter so much to him. And if that is the case…they should hold Dwight since they can offer more money.
Dwight's earning power vs Bynum's is significantly different
And why wouldn’t a 5th year guaranteed be incredibly important to a guy who knows he could be one career injury away from retirement?
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Still the best talent they'll get at this point
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Odds are that Bynum would resign
If they get the feeling that he won’t, they can go through this mess again next year & deal him at the deadline. Worst case scenario they can use him to get out from under more bad contracts, after using Howard to unload Turk.
That's if he's healthy otherwise whose gonna want.
I don’t think they’ll be able to get rid of turk in a Bynum howard swap.
LA's package not including Gasol
Bynum for Howard
Trade Exception for Duhon
Artest/Walton+expiring cap filler for Turkoglu.
If I'm ORL, I rather keep Turk than trade him for more overpaid garbage
Artest/Walton+expiring cap filler for Turkoglu.
Metta and Walton are worse than Turk and their contracts are ugly, too.
Agreed
Metta & Walton just have smaller/shorter contracts.
But it can go to the old rumors that Orlando isn’t necessarily looking at dumping Turk in a deal as a requirement. He’s overpaid, but a good player playing very well this season. If Bynum & picks are the best talent package they can get for Howard, they may do it. The Magic could still be a 6-8 seed with Nelson+JRich+Turk+Anderson+Bynum with Baby & Reddick of the bench.
Lopez is coming off of a broken foot
bynum has more value right now.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 6, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Reading Real GM this morning makes me want to vomit
2 Headlines both from the hated Berger would mean good night Brooklyn.
1. Dwight to Knicks for Amare
2. Deron wants to leave.
I know this is kinda baseless speculation, but imagine going into Brooklyn without Deron and with Dwight playing for the Knicks? This has to be the ABSOLUTE doomsday scenario for the nets and nets fans alike.
I guess Knicks could offer Shumpert, Fields and Amare for Dwight...
Interesting…we have nothing to do but sit back and wait another 10 weeks.
The Deron wants to leave is hilarious
It’s a sauwce who apparently is “familiar” with Deron’s “tendencies” and thinks he could maybe leave to possibly go to Dallas maybe.
Everyone then says: DERON HATES THE NETS!!
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Not this Net fan...
That would be pure jOy
Oy!
by Jron on Jan 6, 2012 9:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Imagine he went to the Knicks
And then left as a free agent to join Deron in Brooklyn?
I’d. Die.
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Is this what you read in Real GM ?
Source: Williams Could Be Checking Out On Nets
With rival executives doubting that the Magic would be interested in the Nets’ offer of Brook Lopez and draft picks for Dwight Howard, it could be that Deron Williams is already frustrated in a losing situation in New Jersey.
“I don’t think he feels it there,” said a person familiar with Williams and his tendencies. “I could see him saying, ’I’ve got all the money. I can go back to Dallas. That’s my home.’ I don’t see any spunk in his game right now. He’s going through the motions.”
Via CBS Sports
Sounds to me like Mr. Source is on the sauce…
He's "familiar" with Williams lolll
I feel like I’m familiar with his tendencies now too. He’s abrasive, sarcastic, intense and generally has a look of anger whether he’s winning or losing.
Unless you watch him in interviews when he jokes around or catch him on the bench talking to his teammates laughing and applauding the team.
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I love the lead line...especially the first three words..."With rival executives"
With rival executives doubting that the Magic would be interested in the Nets’ offer…
so now this is all unreliable?
when we base everything we want on “sources” and second and thirs hand info. Because this is anti nets we discard it? Again why does DH want to come here? Oh yea because NI was told right? Got to be more discerning here.
by HabPSU on Jan 6, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hear you. We only want to believe the sources that tells us what we want to hear...
If truth be told, no one knows what these players really want. I don’t think the players even know what they want. Everyone has to sit back and wait to see what unfolds near the trade deadline.
To summarize what we know/read, non homer style
- Dwight has requested a trade to the Nets
- The Nets are among 3 on his list, although NI apparently has been told it’s Nets or nothing
- Woj says people close to Dwight believe he might be willing to listen to other teams
- Dwight has said he wants to play with Kobe, Deron, Morrow, Stephen Jackson, Monta Ellis, and CP3
- Deron Williams has been involved in every player selection of 1 year contract deals
- Deron Williams has said there is a “big picture” and is confident in the moves Billy has made
- Deron Williams hates losing and a person “familiar with his tendencies” says he might not be feeling all the losing going on (duh)
- Nets will have cap room to sign both D12 and DWill to max contracts – or others
- Nets have a package for Orlando that will allow them to take on Turk & others, which teams like Lakers & Knicks cannot (unless they are trading Bynum & Gasol)
- Bynum is a better center than Lopez, and a much better 1 to 1 trade if the Magic want to do that
- Orlando’s GM is horrible and can easily make a terrible trade (like Amare for Dwight straight up)
- Ken Berger thinks that the money Dwight can make on a 4 year deal isn’t a big issue since he can extend later on (although he fails to conclude that this could mean he ends up in Brooklyn)
- Nets will likely have a lottery pick
- Nets are a terrible terrible team and I have a hard time seeing anyone involed in the organization from Deron to Prokhorov happy about it
- Dwight still has Brooklyn has his preference
And finally:
- Last year, we heard the Nets had the better deal for Melo, the Knicks were his #1 option, Rockets were willing to rent, and in the end… Melo got what he wanted: to play with his bestest buddy Amare.
Am I missing anything?
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by eLonepb on Jan 6, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Trying to confuse us with the facts...
is very unfair and not very nice…
by M I K E on Jan 6, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
When did NI say he heard Nets or Nothing?
I hope it wasn’t the Nets are nothing
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 6, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
I think you’re missing Derrick Rose’s 250 million dollar, 10 year shoe deal.
If Howard comes to Brooklyn/New York City I have to believe his next shoe contract will increase in value.
Well not for nothing
Dwight is a bigger superstar than Rose. I think he’ll get his huge multimillion dollar contract in Dallas, New York or LA.
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Just reminds me of Williams interview at the all star game
“Who is this Ken Burger?!” (Deron)
“uhh thats me” (Ken Burger)
“Oh so your Ken Burger, who told you this? whos your source?” (Deron)
“uhhh i i i”
“EXACTLY!! Until you hear it from my mouth, you’ve got nothing to worry about” (Deron)
Deron I think did a Shooter McGavin double pistol after finishing the last line
by N.Ireland Nets Fan on Jan 6, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Don't get me wrong, I recognize that is is junk reporting
It still does lay out the nightmare scenario for us.
I really doubt the Dwight or Amar'e thing
I don’t think Dwight would want to sign with us (Knicks). He couldn’t take the little bit of pressure the Orlando media put on him when he demanded a trade and started talking about how he didn’t want to leave Orlando. I doubt he wants to deal with the pressure.
Not only that
How would the Knicks take on Turk + Duhon in the deal?
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Theory about Farmar
I think Avery is purposely sitting him trying to piss him off. I think they really want him to opt out of his contract so they have full cap room next year, and hope that he goes back to play in Israel or tests free agency.
I know that's random BTW
thought of it last night.
We still need 2 of Farmar, Petro or Shawne Williams to be gone by next season to afford Dwight (and keep Lopez)
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 6, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
It does not sound so random...
$4M of cap space next year will be very important.
Problem with that theory
What kind of offers will he get after racking up a bunch of DNPs on a terrible team, while a minimum salaried journeyman is starting? He’s not opting out of $4.25mil if all he will get is a minimum salaried offer in the offseason.
I just want a team that is competitive again
We don’t need to be the best team in the league, but I would love to go to a game knowing that we can compete with any team on any night. For the last 3.5 seasons that has not been true. This season, I already know that if we are playing a good team it is very close to an automatic blowout.
it probably won't happen this year
and may not happen in the foreseeable future. We are just sitting tight here, wishing on a prayer.
i like that the team is swinging for the fences actually
For the first time a while, a superstar (reportedly) wants to go to our Nets.
I support BK doing everything he can to make this happen, even if it means mortgaging part of this season. Obviously the most worrisome downside risk being the loss of Deron.
What’s the silver lining in all of this? If Deron and Dwight aren’t Nets, we’ll have one of the best sophomores in the game, presumably a top pick, and boatloads of cash. Not that bad – not great, not something to root for, but not rock bottom.
I can understand how some fans can’t stomach this kind of tradeoff, especially given recent performance.
by Dolphins_Nets on Jan 6, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Billy King, Howard, D-Will, Morrow and Brooks after the Orlando game....
by boogeewon on Jan 6, 2012 9:54 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
but Billy King, I sell drugs in the community!
Timeless - The 2001-2003 NJ Nets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nima3dmLrcw
Good news
Damion James is doubtful with a bruised foot, although the injury is unrelated to the surgery he underwent on the same foot last season.
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The biggest problem i have with the nets is that they are allowing others to control their future...
If orlando trades dwight to us, then we will be good. Or if dwight has mercy on us and comes here for less money as a free agent, then we are good. And if neither of these things happen our hope of being a good team is over?
For me, that makes it hard to root for this team.
by aug93 on Jan 6, 2012 10:01 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
If neither of those things happen
we’ll have one of the best sophomores with experience being a SCORER, a high lottery pick, and loads of cap to spend of players now that we know Dwight isn’t in the realm of possibility
by Dolphins_Nets on Jan 6, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
this all depends on when and how effective brook can be when he returns
if brook comes back early to mid feb. and rips it up 20/8 (kinda numbers)…then a combo of Brooks, Lopez and a bunch of firsts will get it done if Magic go rebuilding.
METS JETS NETS LAKERS........... OFWGKTA....FREE EARL. Odd Future Records.
Adam Morrison got his team multiple championships barely trying, if that's not a great player...I don't know who is.
If brooks is included in any deal then expect the nets to have to take on JJ or Richardson's contract
point blank…. Now if Brooks appeases a third team then that’s a whole different story but orlando already has a logjam at SG….
Off Topic, but funny!!!
Have you guys been able to see this video of Barkley off the air. No idea who caught this video. Watch for a quick amusement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XOAPL5Td7uo
saw it on yahoo earlier lol
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Adam Morrison got his team multiple championships barely trying, if that's not a great player...I don't know who is.
by YoungMoney24 on Jan 6, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Hilarious...
Interesting though how quickly and matter-of-fact Reggie said “yea but he doesn’t wanna come here” when Dwight was brought up.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Jan 6, 2012 10:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
doesn't make sense for dwight honestly
i’d go to ATL if i was dwight…hometown….i’d say get rid of joe johnson and jsmoove and sign me a legit wing player….
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Adam Morrison got his team multiple championships barely trying, if that's not a great player...I don't know who is.
by YoungMoney24 on Jan 6, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Charles seems really cool. Even when he thinks the camera's not "on," he still is engaging and fun to listen to..
2011-2012 season prediction: 22-44
And I'm fine with that. One of the original leaders of the "Dwight Howard, not Nono Hilario" movement.
Am I the only one who doesn’t think Farmar played well against Boston? He’d be DECENT if you were playing him at the shooting guard position like Avery did last season but he’s an absolute nightmare whenever he’s handling the ball.
Not only does he refuse to pass to Marshon Brooks, but he can’t bring the ball into the front court without having to do an evade dribble to get away from his man.
He looked pretty bad IMO
His PG skills are lakcing
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 6, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Is Gaines better than him?
I still want to see Farmar play significant minutes over Gaines as first PG off the bench, like last year.
Don’t understand this starting lineup.
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
Really? Don't recall that...
Anyway, he did play extended minutes as PG backing Devin… I remember him hitting that clutch 3 pointer against Orlando… above average player…
He’s undervalued.
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
Let's hope he does check out
and becomes a FA after the season
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 6, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Trade him now
Rather than wait for him to opt out why not send him to a team that wants him and maybe we could a pick or 2 in return.
http://www.netsdaily.com/2011/5/13/2168930/in-mock-drafts-no-consensus-yet
by jasperjarrod on Jan 6, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
You mean
We can’t even get a 2nd round pick for him?
http://www.netsdaily.com/2011/5/13/2168930/in-mock-drafts-no-consensus-yet
by jasperjarrod on Jan 6, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
he seemed out of it and frustrated
he caught an elbow to the face trying to guard his man and yelled at the ref smacking his hands together, i thought he was going to get a technical. He was also easily pressured into losing the ball out of bounds. I think it’s just not having played for a while and playing with a group he’s not familiar with. there was one play where he was playing point, and nobody moved to set a screen or anything and he as eventually stripped of the ball. I didn’t think that was his fault, I thought somebody obviously needed to step up and set a pick so he could get into his offense.
"A little boy went out to play. When he opened his door, he saw the world. As he passed through the doorway, he caused a reflection. Evil was born. Evil was born, and followed the boy."
D-Will & Hump playing?
we need to play good perimeter D
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Adam Morrison got his team multiple championships barely trying, if that's not a great player...I don't know who is.
when is the trade deadline this year? forgot
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Adam Morrison got his team multiple championships barely trying, if that's not a great player...I don't know who is.
thanks
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Adam Morrison got his team multiple championships barely trying, if that's not a great player...I don't know who is.
by YoungMoney24 on Jan 6, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
So let me get this straight, New York media geniuses.
The Knicks are going to trade Amare Stoudemire, Iman Shumpert and Landry Fields for Dwight Howard, when they already have a center who can’t score making 15 million dollars a year?
It's Otis Smith
He might.
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Elone...
When did NI say it is Nets or nothing?
Can we still take on Turk and Dwight if Humphries vetos the trade?
Said he's been told that in a previous thread
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wishful thinking
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 6, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
hopefully it's 'maybe not'
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Adam Morrison got his team multiple championships barely trying, if that's not a great player...I don't know who is.
by YoungMoney24 on Jan 6, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
What?
You hope Dwight hasn’t told the Magic that he wants the Nets or nothing?
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lol
no i said hopefully it’s not wishful thinking
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Adam Morrison got his team multiple championships barely trying, if that's not a great player...I don't know who is.
by YoungMoney24 on Jan 6, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
That I can actually believe...
NI is occassionally told things by people in Nets organization or Kerber (who has org contacts). Nets would know if it is them or nobody based on Deron’s discussions with Dwight.
Cross fingers that Dwight is a Magic through the trade deadline.
That's what I'm hoping too
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Nets organization are awfully calm given that they are the worst team in the league...
If it is Nets or nothing…seriously tank the year and go into next year with Deron, Brooks, Dwight, top three pick and either Brook or Hump.
That's been my feeling
If Deron was saying “Billy, get me somebody, anybody, please I NEED to have a better center or a SF.”
Billy would have it done in a day.
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Maybe the deal is a S&T at end of year with Orlando...
Would make our pick better than a trade at the deadline.
Can S&T deals get 5 years?
We already got his C (Okur) and Stevenson and Shawne
I think he recommended all three. Deron is just as responsible for this team’s play through his on court play and off court consulting.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 6, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
NI said he might have a trade kicker
But I don’t think that’s been confirmed.
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Does a treade kicker require him to waive his no trade clause?
Could a trade kicker guarantee an additional year? I do not think so.
How much of a kicker can apply?
And he does it count towards matching salaries?
Good Q, not sure
I’d assume it would count as salary, and it would obvious be the motivation for Hump to accept the trade.
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If Hump accepts deal...
We can easily rid Magic of Duhon and Turk. We could even take Q-Rich or J-Rich.
They are so screwed up…it is very clear Bass is better than Big Baby.
Hump doesn't need to be in a Howard trade
We have more than enough salaries to send out without him.
....
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 6, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Dwight or Bust
Nets lose 33+ games this season.
Follow @Meer2Fly16
One of the BEST game a duo ever had
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3v4GS9t8o8&feature=related
Marshon is really good...
And his effort on defense is nice. His length (no homo) makes him good at rebounds and steals.
If you had more "length"...you would understand
:)
by rundmc00 on Jan 6, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Seriously though, if the NBA announcers were saying “no homo” every time they gushed about a prospect’s ‘length’ the draft would be 48 hours longer than it already is.
I can imagine Jay Bilas saying that though, in a deadpan tone.
2011-2012 season prediction: 22-44
And I'm fine with that. One of the original leaders of the "Dwight Howard, not Nono Hilario" movement.
first practice of the season...
never realized their schedule was that tight… all teams we have faced so far have changed very little from last season.
Avery will have more time to evaluate the roster when we don’t have back-to-back-to-backs, until then I expect inconsistency.
Nets are better than their record.
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
Miami hasn't practiced once
So I guess they are better than their record.
gulp
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that's a poor comparison...
and Miami has essentially the same players as last year, with some minor changes.
Nets had last minute signings. Deshawn, Shawnee, Okur, those guys have just been thrown out there and where expected to drop like 20 points per game.
They are better than their record.
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
Maybe with MarShon and James out tonight...
we will see what the veterans can do…
Time for Okur, Shawnee, DeShawn etc…too earn their money.
shawnee better have a good game!!
He’s been playing very petro like
by brickznujerz on Jan 6, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
that's an insult to Petro...
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
by Nets-ness on Jan 6, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Kerber Translated
FredKerber No james stevenson starts if no brooks morrow. Take the under
translates to
Damion James is out. Stevenson will get the start. If Brooks can’t go, Morrow will get the start. Nets will lose.
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So James
can’t shoot, has terrible hands, and can’t stay healthy with constant foot problems.
Great.
Agreed
I’m not sure why so many people are so high on this kid. He’s done nothing in his career so far, other than show a propensity for injuries.
I'm not even sure he's that good a defender
He rebounds well for a SF. That’s about it.
Under doesn't necessarily mean the Nets will lose
Although they will. Take the under means it’ll be an ugly, very low scoring game.
so MarShon is a game time decision?
We'll Be Fine.
by JerseysFinest. on Jan 6, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
haha very convenient
thank you sir
We'll Be Fine.
by JerseysFinest. on Jan 6, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Hadn’t seen this, I was laughing at first but then I watched the whole play. (Here.)
Bynum is set up in the post, looking at Ron Artest for a pass. He rifles a no-look at Murphy from 5 feet away, probably intentionally. They are right next to each other, I mean, literally.
eLone, do you really think Dwight Howard is a bigger superstar right now than Derrick Rose?
Maybe not in terms of how long he has been dominant in the NBA but Derrick Rose just signed the biggest contract in NBA history and it’s not even his team giving him the deal, it’s a shoe company!
Look at this quote:
“If you’re from Shanghai, you may not grow up to be 7-6,” said the vice president of global basketball for adidas. "But [Rose’s] aggressive playing style and the position he plays and the fact that he’s 6-3, all players, whether they live in Chicago or Shanghai, can [try to] be a point guard in the NBA.
“They love Yao Ming [who officially retired this week] but they aspire to be Derrick Rose.”
Also, from a Business insider article (here)
Stein wrote, "Rose, as it was explained to me, is adidas’ only counter to Kobe Bryant in China. I’m told Rose already outsells LeBron James there."
Which means he also clearly outsells Dwight Howard.
Which continues to appear to be the biggest obstacle separating a union of the NBA’s reigning MVP and Defensive Player of the Year.
I think Rose is top 3 right now with James and Bryant.
Big men don't sell shoes.
Growing up, I can’t think of a center who really moved a lot of product. Did anyone really want a pair of “Ewings”? Or “Shaqs” (when he was with Reebok)?
I mean more kids wanted the Reebok Pump shoe thanks to Dee Brown and the dunk contest than shoes from those great players.
Yes I believe he is a bigger superstar
He’s one of the highest paid athletes of any sport in the world. I’m sure his next contract will be equally as big.
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Not true
http://www.forbes.com/2011/05/31/highest-paid-athletes_slide_20.html
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Obviously that's before his new contract and sneaker deal
So Rose is definitely up there. But in terms of being a global superstar? I’d have to say Dwight is bigger.
Especially if he makes it to Brooklyn.
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I thought Rose used to be listed at 6'4
It definately used to be said a lot I think he taller then 6’3 even if that is his listed height now.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
Good to see Hump and Deron back
Hump’s gotta keep those numbers up for ORL.
RIP baby. I love you forever. Our dream of seeing D12 with the Nets is getting closer.
Not sure if posted: worst shooters last season? Wall and Outlaw
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/321313-the-nbas-worst-shooter-is?xid=cnnbin
Two seasons in, is the face of the Wizards’ future taking steps backward? So far into his career, John Wall is the worst shooter in the NBA. … [One statistic], slightly below the radar, but crucial in the NBA is “effective field goal percentage.” It’s the best measure of overall shooting ability, both from two-point and three-point range. (The formula is field goals plus half of made three-pointers divided by field goal attempts, according to basketball-reference.com). Last year, Wall tied with Travis Outlaw for the NBA’s lowest eFG percentage at .427 (minimum 1,600 minutes). Now, he’s fallen to .420 (career). He has no company at that level.
Just you wait
Shawne Williams is on the way.
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oh man we would have been calling him
John Loll
"A little boy went out to play. When he opened his door, he saw the world. As he passed through the doorway, he caused a reflection. Evil was born. Evil was born, and followed the boy."
Its not two seasons in for christ sake
1 season and a few games.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
prefer true shooting percentage.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
im kind of disappointed with James play
I had high praise for the kid last season and thought he would come back with improvement on his ball handling and shooting, but it looks like he’s still at a plateau.
What do you mean, he’s taking over the league!!
He looks like he’s had a weight taken off of his shoulders and he’s playing basketball about as well as you can possibly play it right now. His team is winning almost every game and doing it seemingly with ease.
In fact, I-
Wait, you’re talking about Damion? Oh, he sucks.
Is this one of you guys?
https://twitter.com/#!/AlexMartinsORL
Dwight or Bust
Nets lose 33+ games this season.
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One of the BEST game a duo ever had
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3v4GS9t8o8&feature=related
lol that's so fake it's not even worth posting
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LOL, I figured it must have been someone from here
since the guy tweeted me about me continuously being negative.
Dwight or Bust
Nets lose 33+ games this season.
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One of the BEST game a duo ever had
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3v4GS9t8o8&feature=related
haha
lol what is going on in this photo?? Stevenson knows these guys pretty well or what?
"A little boy went out to play. When he opened his door, he saw the world. As he passed through the doorway, he caused a reflection. Evil was born. Evil was born, and followed the boy."
Honest mistake
He’s used to being in a winning huddle with good players
wait he really did this?
can we trade Petro for Ivan Johnson and pair him up with Deshawn?
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 6, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
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