Woj: Howard "Fluctuating" on Nets; Berger: D-Will Could Join Mavs
by Net Income on Jan 5, 2012 4:47 PM EST
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PrintBuried at the bottom of Adrian Wojnarowski's latest on the "Dwightmare", that is the Warriors interest in him, is this:
Despite Dwight Howard’s preference to go to the Brooklyn-bound Nets to play with Deron Williams, those close to Howard still believe he’s fluctuating on his future and could be sold on different scenarios.
The Nets, writes Woj, "aren’t in strong position to make deals for Howard. Orlando has been iffy on Nets center Brook Lopez, who has been lost for several weeks with a broken foot." Woj also reports that the Mavericks are not in a strong position either.
As Woj and others have reported, and league sources have told NetsDaily, Howard has told the Magic that the Nets are his preference. And should he be dealt anywhere else or stay with the Magic, the Nets do have the salary-cap space to sign him this summer.
Ken Berger is even less optimistic about Howard winding up on the Nets, saying Billy King would have to engineer a multi-team deal since the Magic interest in Lopez is limited. He also quotes as "a person who knows Williams and his tendencies well" as saying, "I could see him saying, 'I've got all the money. I can go back to Dallas. That's my home.' I don't see any spunk in his game right now. He's going through the motions."
- Warriors pursue Howard, but will Magic listen? - Adrian Wojnarowski - Yahoo! Sports
- Postups: How will the Dwight Howard saga end in Orlando? - Ken Berger - CBS Sports
- Dwight Howard won't talk about joining Bulls - Neil Hayes - Chicago Sun-Times
- Williams and Howard to Dallas? Never say never with Cuban - Eddie Sefko - Dallas Morning News
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i dont see a deal to be made with GSW
not sure where Woj got his numbers from, but GSW do not have enough capspace to just absorb Hedo, theyre at approx $55mil after they amnestied Bell.
Ellis+Brown would equal D12’s $18mil but then they’d have to ship more $$ out to take back Hedo, and they dont have a big expiring besides Brown. Also why would D12 stay there if they ship out Ellis? They could send back Curry who has ankle problems at the moment but then salaries wont work out due to Curry being on a rookie deal
Magic can explore all trade proposals they want but at end of the day, NJ has best mix of expirings+players+picks to offer them IMO
this isnt about GSW
this is about his openness to other scenarios.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
this is like the same openness that Melo had about coming to NJ, sure he would have come here but only if there was no way he could get to NY
by Henry Sanchez on Jan 5, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
D will is here then hes here. Unless the lakers grab dwight
by 1stnamelastname on Jan 5, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
I don't really beleive he would have come here no matter what he said.
Or at least this no way he couldn’t get to NY scenario was very unlikely no matter Denver tried.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
Fixed
this is about those “close” to him’s BELIEF in his his openness to other scenarios.
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Sure why not?
Drive up the price, make the Nets pay. If Dwight is indeed set on playing with DWill and the Nets only, this will play out just like the Melo situation did.
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last day of deadline, they take all of our assets
they would take Lopez, Marshon our lotto pick this year and many other picks.
Yup
And if they don’t want Lopez, he’ll be moved to another team for a player that will go to Orlando instead.
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Probably what happens mother fmosisos
After this crap don’t want to give em all our pieces.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
EXACTLY
I’m just waiting until after the ASG. I could really care less about anything else.
The more the Nets suck, the more valuable the Nets pick becomes.
Lopez, Brooks, Pick #1 > Bynum, Gasol
by ZR on Jan 5, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Dwill + Lopez + MarShon + Davis + another 1st rounder > Dwill + Dwight
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This this this
and if he comes in FA it would be
Dwill+lopez (trade for a sf) MarShon+Davis+Another 1st rounder (robinson?)
All assumptions that the rookies will pan out immediately
Deron doesn’t want that. The Nets don’t want that. Brooklyn doesn’t want that.
Superstar driven league. Sure, you have to give up a lot to get a star. But this is the Nets and this is Dwight Freaking Howard. You do the deal.
by ZR on Jan 5, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
this is Woj we're talking about
not Josh Robbins.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Is this supposed to be news?
Of course he’ll listen to other offers. But his preference still remains the Nets.
This is like Melodrama 2.0. Just let it ride.
by ZR on Jan 5, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
he’s just trying to be nice to the Magic(for whatever reason). It doesn’t matter if they are cooling on Brook. They know(as the article proves) that we’re his only choice in reality. When push comes to shove, unless Orlando wants to get burned again, they’ll have to do our deal.
RIP baby. I love you forever. Our dream of seeing D12 with the Nets is getting closer.
GSW can easily make the trade
Kwame for Turkoglu works straight up
Lee+Curry works for Howard. So does Ellis+Udoh. Other combinations work as well.
like i always say
LA is the only threat. If he doesnt end up there hes ours. Not even worried. Its like the melo drama and we’re in the drivers seat this time. Brook going down didnt help because he couldnt shake the doubters and show what he was capable of(also he was in a contract year which wouldve been great for his own benefit)
Howard will be a Net so long as the lakers dont make a play for him.
should he be dealt anywhere else or stay with the Magic, the Nets do have the salary-cap space to sign him this summer.
how sweet would that be…
"Beware the Ides of March."
that would make me root for us losing
by i says on Jan 5, 2012 5:17 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I'd prefer not to wait until summer
get this done now.
RIP baby. I love you forever. Our dream of seeing D12 with the Nets is getting closer.
There is one thing that annoys me....
NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE (other than us) has mentioned MarShon Brooks as a big part of any Dwight deal.
All these guys probably just look at the box score, and assume Brooks “is on a bad team, so he’ll score”. If they actually watched a game, there perspective on him might change. Woj says that the Magic are “iffy” on Lopez, but what about MarShon Brooks?
But really a package of Lopez + MarShon + picks tops any package (unless Gasol and Bynum)
the warrios could have a much better offer too
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
why should that annoy you?
I want to keep Swag! who cares if he’s not getting respect by people saying he should be in the Dwight trade. He’ll just show everybody that he’s a freaking beast afterwards and we get to keep D-Will MarShon and Dwight.
Why do you want him to be mentioned?
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Don't be mad! Do you really want to include Marshon in a deal? I don't. I can't wait to see him and Deron in the
backcourt – give them a few games to acclimated. Teams are gonna have to plan for that backcourt.
i think that’s what Avery ahd in mind when talking about Deron playiong off the ball – they just jumped the gun with Gaines.
That's why the Magic have scouts
You have to believe they’re paying attention. Or, DWill has said to BK that he wants to keep Brooks along for the ride.
by ZR on Jan 5, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
Blah blah blah
"It is all on Denver. They will trade him or lose him," one Eastern Conference executive said. "There is no gray area."
New Jersey also doesn’t appear to have much competition. The Nuggets have shown little interest in any of the players the Knicks have made available, including forwards Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler, a league source said. The Orlando Magic and Houston Rockets also have inquired about Anthony – and the Dallas Mavericks could always emerge as a suitor – but none of them can offer the type of package the Nets can. One league source the Rockets are "strongly" interested in Anthony and are willing to put together a variety of proposals to bid for him, but the Nuggets haven’t really engaged them.
"Denver seems focused on the Nets," one Western Conference executive said.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=mc-afterthebuzzer010711
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I think this is Orl just driving up our price
Its the meolo drama but the roles are reversed.
by 1stnamelastname on Jan 5, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Lol?
King will give up anything he needs to. The Magic don’t need to worry about driving up the price.
Not getting Carmelo was one of the greatest things that has happened I the Nets recently
by i says on Jan 5, 2012 5:37 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
This is the only cause for concern.
those close to Howard still believe he’s fluctuating on his future and could be sold on different scenarios
Dwight or Bust
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One of the BEST game a duo ever had
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3v4GS9t8o8&feature=related
True
but it is 10000000000% in Orlando’s interest to get that out there
they’re up the creek if it gets out its Nets or nothing
by Dep on Jan 5, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
they privately know(thanks to Fegan) it’s either us or nothing, and they don’t want another nothing scenario. They have to make it seem like it’s a competitive market for Dwight, when in reality, it’s not.
RIP baby. I love you forever. Our dream of seeing D12 with the Nets is getting closer.
And if can be sold on other scenarios...
didnt seem to be the case when he told the Bulls no a month ago when they started kicking the tires
by Dep on Jan 5, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Sold on different scenarios....
Where exactly is a different scenario? LA (not different), Golden State? (I don’t see that happening), so where is this scenario….and hardly anyone ever mentions it but does anyone else think that the Clippers might deal Blake Griffin straight up for Dwight Howard?
I don't know, I'm no GM
but there is no clear cut team Howard will be playing for if your not a Nets fan.
Dwight or Bust
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Yea yea yea
So what? If he’s traded to the Nets, he’ll be happy too.
This is about the future. This is about Brooklyn. This season is a joke. It’s all about 2013.
by ZR on Jan 5, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Those close to Howard?
Orlando Pinstriped posters?
I'm all in. Go Nets!
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 5, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
Of course BK is
Deron and Fegan keep him informed daily. Would it surprise you if BK was very, very, very quietly still talking to Otis in light of what this article says?
RIP baby. I love you forever. Our dream of seeing D12 with the Nets is getting closer.
Without names to sources
I don’t trust them. Anyone can say anything.
RIP baby. I love you forever. Our dream of seeing D12 with the Nets is getting closer.
IMO Dwight staying with Orlando through the season or being traded as rental to some team like GS is best case scenario for the Nets
Sure we will continue to suck this year, but based on his preference to come here one would think we would be the big time favorite to sign Dwight. That way we keep our draft picks and any assets that would go in a trade for Howard. Depending on the cap number and Lopez’s cap hold we may even be able to keep him around via his bird rights, although I need to double check the numbers there.
I'm looking for Ray Finkle.....and a clean pair of shorts.
This would be absolutely foolish on the Warriors part.
There is no way he resigns there. Unless he really is all about the $$$$.
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
by BEB on Jan 5, 2012 4:56 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
If he's willing to leave the 5th year on the table
Then he’ll be a Net 100%.
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If he's with a team like GS, he will
If it’s Orlando and he’s not traded post-dealine, different discussion.
Again, just waiting until March.
I’m just happy there’s Giants football right now. They have to keep winning so something will keep me occupied.
by ZR on Jan 5, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on who they trade
Like with the rumored Atlanta (Joe Johnson) deal, it could be a disguised salary dump. If GS decides it wants to unload Lee’s contract, it might be worth it for them.
how much would Howard lose if he takes this to free agency and instead does a sign and trade to get a 5th yr?
"Beware the Ides of March."
You can't do a sign and trade and get the 5th year
He’ll only get 4 years if he becomes a free agent and leaves the team he was with.
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used to -- the new CBA eliminated that aspect
S&T in the offseason gets you nothing more
only the team you’re on can give you true max deals then
by Dep on Jan 5, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Nope
S&T deal is the same as a new deal with a new team. Only way to get 5th year and more money is to stay with the team you finished the season with.
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The $30M is a bit misleading, no?
You make a little less per year over the 4, but you can always sign an extension towards the end and make back all that money, no?
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Yes you can
In reality, over the 4 initial years of the contract, I believe he’d only be leaving about $3.7mil on the table.
3 years after signing the contract, he could sign an extension for another 3 years at 7.5% raises.
To be honest, it wouldn’t surprise me if Howard preferred a 4 year deal to a 5 year deal anyway. A 4 year deal gives him the option to extend or resign under the current CBA. A 5 year deal means he signs under the next CBA. The next CBA could be better, worse or the same for players compared to the current CBA. By the time he’s due for an extension or new contract, he should have some idea if the owners will be squeezing even more.
The same applies to DWill.
However, I believe (IMO) DWill is the type of person who wants his future guaranteed now (July 1).
Howard has already made more money and is confident about his future 4 years from now and with all the endorsement money.
Howard is looking to pave his own path (Greatest Brooklyn Nets player ever), and not follow in the direction of being one of the 6 or so great Lakers.
And this is whty he'll be here
no way he leaves all that money on the table.
RIP baby. I love you forever. Our dream of seeing D12 with the Nets is getting closer.
Do not really see why Howard would extend with Golden State
except for California. Either Ellis or Curry would go in a deal for him.
I think it's fine.
Lo que sera, sera.
Im glad we are still option 1, but like with CP3 and Knicks, being option 1 doesn’t mean we get him.
I am just happy we have a shot at DH12, can’t ask for more.
CP3 was still traded to a major market
That was the point. To team with superstars. The Knicks decided to go for Chandler and sign two max deals already. Their loss.
If he goes to GS, who’s the other superstar? He might as well stay with Orlando…
by ZR on Jan 5, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Staying with Orlando, means signing an extension.
No one mentioned signing an extension with GS.
#KEEPHOWARD #KEEPHOWARD
I’m hoping they have a good season and fail in the playoffs lol am i wrong for that??
Yep, the people close to Melo said he would only go to the Knicks ...
yet he was willing to go to the Nets, afterall.
even if he misses 5th year
he can easily make up money with sponsorship in tri state area……i believe he has already been offer from addidas on NY…so his future is in NJ or NY… obviously there is no knicks in this scenario so its all NETS….he has to come here for his future…it will offer him more money then any other place also it will give him a chance at a ring…its a win win situation for him…he would be really foolish to let this opportunity go…
Or he can sign an extension later in his contract
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to be honest
sponsorship can offer as much or even more money as contract extension….rose got $94 million extension and got $100 for 5 years sponsorship for 5 years….so people do care about the sponsorship
by devinharris34 on Jan 5, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
but u dont understand that
that 15 million could be a ring for him here…so its a win-win situation for him
by devinharris34 on Jan 5, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Different situation, different time
I’d rather take 4 years and be the “King of NY”. Howard would get whatever he wants in NY and so much more. He should sign with CAA – they’d tell him to go to the Nets.
by ZR on Jan 5, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
Those close to Dwight Howard reveal identities...
by M I K E on Jan 5, 2012 5:05 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
We've often question this
and we might also find some disturbing things if we really wanted to know….
Dwight or Bust
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One of the BEST game a duo ever had
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3v4GS9t8o8&feature=related
AND what exactly can GS offer...
that would be better than the Nets offer? Beidrens? One-foot Curry? David Lee? Ellis is the only thing I see, but for Howard? Nice backcourt…
JRich AND Ellis
by Whoop Dee Damn Doo on Jan 5, 2012 5:06 PM EST reply actions
first of all Curry does not have a serios injury
Curry
Udoh
Klay Thomson
Dorrel Wright
+ picks
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
or Lee for that matter
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
Is that seriously better than...
Lopez, Brooks and Nets insanely awesome 1st round pick? Doubtful…
by ZR on Jan 5, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Just wait it out, Nets will be in a good position to acquire Howard as long as they continue to suck
The more valuable the pick becomes, the better the situation for the Nets.
by ZR on Jan 5, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
that one foot
Is a hell of a lot of better than Lopez’s
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by BEB on Jan 5, 2012 5:33 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
thats a huge overstatement...
Have you read the reports and seen how many times Currys has sprained that ankle in the last 2 yrs? And you think that will get better as he gets older?
Compared to Lopez? A big man? Who has been injured…once?! wow.
by Whoop Dee Damn Doo on Jan 5, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
at the preset time curry is playing. albeit not that much.
Lopez isn’t.
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
by BEB on Jan 5, 2012 6:24 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Curry isn't playing right now injured the same ankle I believe yesterday
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
I saw he did
Didn’t realize that it was the “worse it’s ever been” according to curry.
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
by BEB on Jan 5, 2012 7:11 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
ND, why was I issued a warning for trolling?
All I said was Nets are cursed ,and I called the FO “suckers”. I was not trolling. I was not directing against the fans here.
I, like many fans here, am extremely frustrated at the FO for its “strategy” and repeated failures. I have spent over $4000 on Nets tix this year. FOR what? for the Nets to basically tell me: Oh, hey, this year is a wash. Let’s forget about this year, wait for the lottery and Brooklyn. Yeah, I’m frustrated. But I am not mocking the fans here because as a long-suffering fan myself, I know the pain.
DWill oop to D12
Otis Smith makes Travis Outlaw look like Avery Johnson
You said "Nets Suck".
Is that a smart thing to to say on a Nets fan site?
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Jan 5, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
If its true
YES
Dwight or Bust
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I believe the Nets are "struggling"
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
then youre being extremely optomistic
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
by NJ Champ on Jan 5, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We're all gonna see a different team playing when this lineup gets a few games of playing together
Deron
Marshon
James
Hump
Memo
Gaines, Morrow, Stevenson,Shawne, Sheldon – with a Jordan working his way up to 10 mins
Wait are we not allowed to say that the nets are struggeling?
Should we pretend that things are peachy and all of us didn’t waste our money buying tickets to games we may not even go to?
Struggling to lose by less than 20, yes
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by eLonepb on Jan 5, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I'll answer for E'...
No, because there’s light at the end of the tunnel.
this team has less of an excuse for "strugglin"
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
If we didn't have DWill bought into the plan? Yeah
It’d look very very bleak.
But as Dopeness said, there’s a light. That light is the “big picture”.
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Ah, for once I can agree with an optimistic thought
Injuries make this team a lot worse than what they are
Dwight or Bust
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at least he was being honest
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
I've been warned here for things a lot less severe than that.
NI needs to chill out sometimes.
I believe Bob is ND, not NI
I'm all in. Go Nets!
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 5, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
never mind
I'm all in. Go Nets!
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 5, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
I was once warned for calling Nets fans "rats deserting a sinking ship"...
I guess I was insulting the vast rodent population…
But NetsDaily has to run this place with an iron fist or else this site would degenerate very quickly.
“When in doubt hit cancel comment”
I was warned once for calling out a troller saying "trollers gonna troll"
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Dwight or Bust
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Communism is more like it lol
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Maybe Orlando makes us take on Jrich,Hedo and Dwight
Deron
Richardson
Hedo
?
Dwight
no way..
we arent a garbage that they can dump all the bad contracts on us……howard is not dumb to leave orlando…that organization is garbage…they r known for taking bad contracts and handcuff their hands for years..
by devinharris34 on Jan 5, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
That would be funny
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Yeah yeah
all the crap we’re going to read based on what Dwight wants will be coming from sources with agendas.
just wondering, but didn't we trade our 2011 draft pick ( kanter)
i thought teams aren’t allowed to trade back to back draft picks
that's what i thought too but since people keep talking about trading our 2012 pick
im assuming that you can’t trade back to back 1st round draft picks in the same trade…. not 100% sure though
You can't trade consecutive future picks
The 2011 is now in the past, so it doesn’t apply.
Did the renegotiation and extention thing go into effect in the new CBA?
• A new “renegotiation and extension” provision allows an existing contract to be renegotiated so the player is paid a smaller amount over a longer period, but the player’s salary cannot decrease by more than 40 percent. Renegotiations previously could only increase a player’s salary.
Also how does it work? Could Nets hypothetically sign Dwight for 4 years then “renegotiate” so he takes $1 less and gains an extra year for doing so (of course this is a double edgrd sword as deron could do this also)?
I read somwhere that this didnt make it into the CBA
someone analyzed the chances the Mavericks had at getting Dwight & Deron and this aspect of it came up and they said there is no evidence such a clause exists
by Dep on Jan 5, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
nope its not in the new CBA
by DJ HeavyDuty on Jan 5, 2012 5:12 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
According to this, there was such a provision
A new “renegotiation and extension” provision allows an existing contract to be renegotiated so the player is paid a smaller amount over a longer period, but the player’s salary cannot decrease by more than 40 percent. Renegotiations previously could only increase a player’s salary.
source: espn
I never saw a report that it was not included on the final vote. Would love a link showing it didn’t make it.
Overanlyzing
It’s no different than a regular extension, except that in the previous CBA, extensions could only increase annual compensation. Now the extended years can be lower.
Example: Tim Duncan
Old CBA would only allow Duncan to receive an extension that starts at his current $21.3mil salary or higher. New CBA allows him to get an extension starting at $12.7mil if he and the team wanted to extend him before he hits free agency.
If we signed Dwight, he wouldn’t have to take less money for an extension. He can extend for a raise. The key rules regarding a Howard extension are: 1) The earliest he can sign an extension is 3 years after signing the original deal, & 2) Extensions can go for 4 total years, including years remaining on his deal.
So if we signed Dwight to a 4 year deal this offseason, in 2015 we can sign him to a max extension that would add 3 more years to his remaining one year.
Let Orlando trade him to GS
I’m sure he won’t sign an extension with GS thus clearing the way for us to sign him in the off season. We keep Lopez, our picks, Marshon, plus we get Dwight/
I honestly dont believe the nets being awful deters him at all
being known as a franchise savior appeals to his massive ego, it has to
he doesnt want to be a last piece, he wants to be the puzzle
by Dep on Jan 5, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Who cares about 3-12?
It’s about the future. Deron Williams and Dwight Howard plus whatever is the future, not what they have on the roster now. You can literally eliminate 1/2 the roster next season.
by ZR on Jan 5, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
yea that's been the company line for a long time
i’ll believe it when i see it…. nets have been a revolving door of scrubs and borderline nba players for the longest time not just this season
by William_H_HOLLA on Jan 5, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
gladly
probably not gonna happen though, boss
by William_H_HOLLA on Jan 5, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
Stephen Curry
If Curry is Orlando’s preference, Nets could simply flip Lopez for Curry, then send Curry to Orlando. Thats a win for GSW. Of course small for big is always a mistake when the players are of equal quality.
If they want Curry over Lopez they are bumber than I thought
I understand Bynum. Especially with the way he is playing now, but not curry.
Best thing that could happen
is for GS to wow Orlando with an offer and trade him there. I can’t imagine they would not demand an extension though..If they didnt, the Nets would be in Heaven.
They wouldn’t have to trade such valuable assets to get Howard pre-deadline (Which I still believe is how it is going to go down by the way – Orlando is going to lose him and Brook, Brooks, and a Lotto pick is a nice start to respectability, it’s really going to be a shame we’d have to that up though when free agency would be a Grand Slam!).
How would Howard not salivate at signing with this team in the off season if they have DWill, a promising young gun in Brooks, Morrow to kick to (yeah I know he struggles now but thats not his history), Brook Lopez to play along side or use as trade bait to land a star wing, and a top 4 pick. Cmon…If you add Dwight to that there is a serious power shift in the NBA!!
First time ...
I can remember reading a Wojnarowski article and thinking there’s an agent behind it, the way all ESPN NBA articles feel. Completely nonsensical. Unless Ekpe Udoh becomes a star quick, they have nothing of value to offer (taking into account Stephen Curry’s ankle issues.)
And what star would Howard be teaming up with???
Heh.
Although I still don’t think the Magic will trade Howard, a rental trade would be the best possible scenario for the Nets.
Wait until March...they will have to
Would you rather lose him for nothing? Kevin O’Connor of the Jazz just happened to pull the trigger way in advance, unlike Ujiri and Otis Smith. Even Ujiri eventually pulled the trigger and I’d consider Ujiri worse than Smith as a GM.
by ZR on Jan 5, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Again let me say this
The 5th year doesn’t matter for Dwight. He will still be a max level player after 4 years if that is all he can sign for if the Nets sign him as a FA. He won’t really lose that much money because he will just get another max deal after his expires. Do the Math it makes no sense for Nets to trade for Dwight and lose all their assets if he is going to just sign here as a FA this summer.
and Dwight can't speak for you
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bold statement here
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
XD Its fun messing with some
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How do you know the 5th year doesn't matter?
It can be implied, but not confirmed until he or his agent says it.
by ZR on Jan 5, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
No one will sign an extension, because they can make more money if they opt out
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Hard to say
but its been reported he has told them to trade him, or lose him.
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how about workin out a three team or four team trade between nets,magic,blazers and gsw
if i am right they always wanted to get rid of either curry or ellis…so lets work out a trade that sends d12 to nets curry and lopez to magic and wallance and couple of picks to gsw
wallace is a kepper for portland
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not if they want to sign Batum
by DJ HeavyDuty on Jan 5, 2012 5:26 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
You bring up a very interesting point
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ya i think all that about the blazers getting a ton of 1st rounders for wallace is BS
blazers want to keep wallace they aren’t going to trade him
if not wallace then someone else with talent
there has to be a team willing to dump someone for salary reasons
by devinharris34 on Jan 5, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
I still believe we get Howard as a free agent.
Regardless of where he gets traded to.
Either way he will opt out and become a free agent.
This is where we win.
Not even worried.
IF orlando is using tactics to drive up the price...
…they can do that and threaten to eat BK’s lunch but in the end, if D12 says Nets or Nada then BK has the leverage. I really wouldn’t want to see the Nets strip their roster of every good asset just to get Dwight. Just look at the Knicks right now….Chandler was a desperation move. Knicks deemed Tyson the best player they could land over the next two seasons…that was a dumb move IMO. Dumb move, to cover up other dumb moves. I just don’t want to see the Nets make a mistake like that.
As for the GSW option for Orlando…I’m telling you…i like Woj and feel he’s trustworthy for the most part but lately he’s been throwing stuff out there like this and it makes so little sense. If GSW feels D12 won’t be willing to pass up 30 million to sign elsewhere, then Orl might as well keep him and take the same risk. Duh.
And Lopez/Marshon/Draft picks and taking on Orl’s bad contracts is a whole lot better than Stephen Curry and picks.
Amare + Melo is a horrible pairing for the price
Deron + Dwight is absolutely not.
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amare and melo are both essentially the same player
both amazing on O, terrible on D.
Chandler alone can’t fix Melo’s and Amare’s weaknesses.
I hear ya...
…but Knicks really effed this up. Trading Melo was not a Walsh move….i don’t care what’s been written. The moment Lebron chose miami, Walsh was on the radio talking up CP3 and DWill. He wanted to go PG next after getting Amare. And giving up all those assets for one guy who’s just a scorer is so not Walsh. Dolan is the iceberg and that team is getting real close to collision. In the end, the Knicks will be a high scoring competitive team…but I don’t see a championship with this current squad.
DWill and D12 is a great duo but if you kill all your assets, it’ll be harder than people in here make it seem to put good players around these two.
Kill all assets?
If you trade for Howard and max out both Howard and DWill, plus Turkgolu, you’re still in a great situation cap wise to fill out the roster. Between Hump and Okur alone it’s around 18M in cap space.
by ZR on Jan 5, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
After reading DWill's words yesterday
I don’t really worry about anything anyone else and their sources say.
by Andres B on Jan 5, 2012 5:25 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Brooklyn is the top choice
by DJ HeavyDuty on Jan 5, 2012 5:26 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
same
Pretty obvious the plan is set and they will together in Brooklyn.
Question is, will orlando trade him to us or will he just come as a free agent?
I personally would choose free agency if I was howard and wanted to WIN.
we can build a beast team next year for sure.
trade at deadline...
…or sign and trade in the offseason. I don’t remember what the new CBA says about sign and trades in this type of situation though. I know there’s something if I’m not mistakened.
I expect trade
If this stays the course and the Nets pick becomes more valuable, Orlando will be forced to make the deal. If they could get back Lopez, Brooks and a top 5 first round pick for Howard, it’s better than a Bynum Gasol package.
by ZR on Jan 5, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Orlando is not trading Dwight unless
Orlando is not in the playoff picture
The Nets make an incredible deal
Dwight lays down
Dwight says Nets or I walk
Orlando really has no other sports team or family entertainment after dark. The locals go elsewhere to party because of the tourists. Losing Dwight would mean the casual tourists or sports fan will not go to the arena. I live in FL and go to Orlando v Nets games. The arena is in the middle of a residential area and traffic and parking is terrible. There are a couple of lounges across from the arena but the nightlife is not within walking distance. Not many people are “from” Orlando. They are from other cities and states. Its not a glamorous city. The media sucks. Orlando will get to the playoffs with Dwight, not Lopez and Wallace. Playoffs is when teams make $. Dwight will be signed as a free agent
by DJ HeavyDuty on Jan 5, 2012 5:47 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Denver was in the playoff picture and traded Melo
Playoffs mean nothing, IMO.
by ZR on Jan 5, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
I can't believe we have to go through this again
as if last year wasn’t enough for Nets fans to endure.
I just hope we get to keep Marshon
I think we can get a deal done without trading him
ya somebody said earlier on this thread
that he hasn’t seen MarShon mentioned in trade talks anywhere but NetsDaily
It's possible he goes over
I’d love if he’d stay but you never know.
by ZR on Jan 5, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Buss basically hinted Dwight doesn't want to go there
others like Sam Smith and Stein have reported Dwight doesn’t want to go there.
Yet that didn’t get highlighted much, if at all.
Why don't we do this
Magic aren’t enamored witih Lopez, Hawks want a legit center so they can move Al Horford to PF, J-Smoove wants out of ATL. Flip Lopez for Josh Smith, send Smoove to ORL and send Dwight here. obviously more pieces would have to be added to the trade and maybe even a 4th team, but I think that a D-12 trade should be centered around those three.
yup...this has to have been discussed...but...
…J-Smoove isn’t helping the situation with his play so far.
ya but he's a proven talent
he’ll turn it around. just like D-Will will. j-smoove is also 26 and is reportedly in the best physical shape of his career
He's only 26?
Hawks would be pretty dunce to trade him
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yep turned 26 december 5th
well dwight is also only 26 and the magic are (most likely) trading him. why? because he doesn’t want to be there anymore. same with J-Smoove. and yes D-12 has leverage because he’s a FA but Smith will also be a FA in 2013. I’m sure the Hawks would love to have a 23 year old top 3 offensive center in the NBA in return for a disgruntled Josh Smith and also the chance to move Horford to his and ATL’s preferred position of PF.
BK is one of the best at pulling off multi-team deals
I’m confident he can work something out need be.
by ZR on Jan 5, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
I wanted to know what A-Rod has to do with this for a second lol
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by Shameer1016 on Jan 5, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Why are the Nets trying so hard to trade for Howard?
He’s not signing an extension so he’ll be a free agent either way. Does anyone seriously think that he won’t meet all the suitors in free agency?
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"I’m anxious to see if they make the same mistake twice." - Shaq talking about the Magic.
So it's just for the extra year?
At what point does D-Will just ask Dwight to wait it out?
It feels kind of unnecessary to trade Brooks, Lopez, and a 1st rounder just to give Dwight an extra year.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"I’m anxious to see if they make the same mistake twice." - Shaq talking about the Magic.
okay we are not trading brooks AND brook
as it has been stated over and over. the magic owner is 85 and does not want to rebuild. they already have J-Rich at SG and as somebody said before, Swag has not been brought up at all in possible future trades for Dwight. Magic also aren’t enamored with Brook so we’ll flip Brook to another team in return for somebody who can contribute big time to the Magic who they really like.
Receiving Lopez, Brooks and a Top 5 pick is hardly rebuilding
That’s a 20PPG scorer and 15PPG scorer and who knows what. But at least a solid threesome.
by ZR on Jan 5, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
Brook would not be rebuilding
you replace Dwight with a top 3 offensive center but Brooks still needs time to develop and a top 5 pick is definitely rebuilding. magic want established vets now brooks and a top 5 pick wont reach their potential for 2-3 years into their careers. heck, even Brook has a lot of growing to do as a player.
maybe to us it seems ridiculous but I'm sure to Dwight it doesn't seem ridiculous....
I know I’d much rather have 1 extra year and $30 million extra in the bank
Rose got a 250 million contract from Adidas.
Howard would only need to get about 12% of that to compensate and he’ll get a lot more than that playing in Brooklyn.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"I’m anxious to see if they make the same mistake twice." - Shaq talking about the Magic.
ya I would like to think that is the case but he can still get an extra $30 million.
people said the same stuff about Melo but again in the end he wanted the extra money.
Having him and Deron both on the roster by 3/15 increases their chances of signing both
that’s the motivation
by Dep on Jan 5, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
I've often questioned this
and that’s because he’s not 100% sold here
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Dwight will sign as a free agent...
and Nets will have the biggest turnaround in league history.
From 25 to 72 wins, plus championship banner.
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
Lol. 25 wins?
No.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"I’m anxious to see if they make the same mistake twice." - Shaq talking about the Magic.
by Maxyboy on Jan 5, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Queue people going crazy in five four , 3 ....
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
2
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The day before a game against the Warriors
Howard tweets “Headin out to Cali, see y’all!”
Headlines next day: “Dwight Declares He’s Leaving to the Lakers”
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"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
Lol you should change your status
Right now he’s closer to 30 TO than 30 assists
and there was no ful training camp
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Yeah its gotta be the lack of traing camp lol
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
I doubt D-Willz can break the record
but it is a breakable record in the NBA
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BK is working...
and the whole organization is keeping everything quiet, as opposed to last year circus, glad there are no distractions this time since we are bad as it is.
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
Probably pretty quiet because they're getting ready to move to Brooklyn next month
A lot of transition from their offices in East Rutherford.
by ZR on Jan 5, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
I'd still like to believe...
it’s an exercise of professionalism by all parts of this trade talks which was lacking on the Melodrama.
Go BK!
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guys it's every simple
Dwight and Deron have talked. Deron says this team sucks so just wait free agency so we can keep our young players and get a pick. Dwight says okay and leaks the news that he may be willing to sign elsewhere. Now the nets are in the drivers seat. You guys should be happy
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Try delirious
It’s right before delusional.
I'm all in. Go Nets!
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 5, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i think the best thing
just like cavs and lebron.
let the magic be relevant and get a top 3-4 seed.
then get buried by the heat in the playoffs. then
we get
deron
brooks
lottery pick
lopez
howard
Need some D-12
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remember cavs were like a 55 win team when lebon left
they got owned in the playoffs
Need some D-12
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you do realize tht Howard alone can not get his team that far up (unlike LeBron)
he needs his teammates to step up. And if he truly is genuine about liking Orlando than he may stay seeing how far they got. Or he could just leave
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Before the Heat, Lebron had one finals appearance.
Dwight has one right now and he carried his team to 52 wins so I don’t know what you’re getting at here.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"I’m anxious to see if they make the same mistake twice." - Shaq talking about the Magic.
I'm just saying that he's not getting a top 3 seed unless his supporting cast steps up
and if that happens and he really likes Orlando he’ll stay
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Well Magics did have to play a Celtics team without KG
and that took them 7 games…. Just saying
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That's debatable.
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I’d consider that a pretty long time to plan something.
by ZR on Jan 5, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
that's fine
But they could trade him for another asset they need like a young PF
yea
best bet is to sign and trade lopez first for some cheap young contracts/picks, clearing his hold off the cap and then signing dwight into the space after that, better then letting him walk for nothing
also i hope we dont sign and trade lopez for howard to help them out, which dwight might want to do
I don't think that's right.
I would think with Humphries, Okur, DeShawn Stevenson, and Sheldon Williams expiring contracts, that would clear $23,266,977 off the books. Deron opting out will clear another $16,359,805 off the books. That puts us at $39,626,882. Then factor in Petro’s raise and Marshon Brooks raise to take $333,860 off that. So adjust that number to $39,293,022.
Jordan Farmar is also scheduled for a $250,000 raise, but he may skip out on his player option given he isn’t getting playing time. We could probably buy him out, or trade him, which would clear another $4,000,000 off the books. Damion Jamese is a team option for 2012, so we could dump another $1.243,080 off the books if we had to. I don’t know the story with Dennis Horner or Jordan Williams contracts. Bogdanovich and draft pick cap holds will also have to be considered, but if you add everything up, $40+ million available for D-Will and Dwight is attainable, without renouncing Lopez.
Then you can use your MLE, and veteran minimum contracts to fill out the roster where needed.
Deron, Brooks, HOLE 1, Lopez, Dwight as your starting 5.
HOLE 2, Morrow, Bogdanovich, Jordan Williams, Petro is your second unit.
We have 2 to 3 draft picks in this class, depending on how the Rockets perform, so for the sake of arguing the Nets hard luck, let’s put that at 2 picks. We also have an MLE or mini MLE at our disposal (Jermaine O’Neal?, AK-47?), which would allow us to fill 3 more players putting our roster at 11.
If James doesn’t get renounced, he can be another rotation player, and Dennis Horner can be picked up at the vet’s minimum. That would put us at 13 players.
A guy like Chauncey Billups who “doesn’t need the money” may love the idea of coming in and spelling Deron Williams, along side Dwight Howard for the veteran’s minimum as our back up PG. If not him, maybe Jason Kidd or Andre Miller.
Save the 15th roster spot for another veteran minimum, or 3rd draft pick from 2012.
Point is, you can see enough of a team up there to immediately contend, built around Brooks, Brook, D-Will, and Howard, and assets from next years draft class, and last years draft class. Just sprinkle in a few affordable effective role players, like the Heat did with Shane Battier, and you’re golden.
So if Dwight
Is going to sign with Nets no matter what why would he want Nets to trade all their assets to get him and make their team weaker while he is here. Losing Lopez, Brooks and like 4 1st round picks would really make it hard for the Nets to improve much beyond what they have. Nets should check themselves out of trading for him and focus on being awful this season and just sign him as a FA.
A core of DWill, Dwight, Brooks, Lopez, Top 3 pick 2012 draft would be am awesome team to build on.
THAT SHOULD BE PLAN A!
awesome team to build on?
There’s nothing else to build… just go out there and get that trophy.
Really fell Deron and Dwight are making plans together, much like Dwayne, Lebron and Bosh.
The big picture is bigger than it actually seems…
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
Because it's not done until it's done
The sooner the better. Sacrifice for the greater glory sometimes needs to happen.
This is the Nets, the situation won’t be perfect but they have to do their best to get it as close as possible.
by ZR on Jan 5, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
I'd would just like to say three things, i think you guys should take note of.
1. These reporters and this includes Woj don’t no squa, I really realizedt they said this and that last year with Melo and they were wrong so many times. They report what sources tell them, the only person that really knows is Dwight Howard and (maybe Deron Williams wink wink) people tell them whatever. We heard last year Melo would go to the Nets, the nets were on Melo’s list he wasn’t going anywhere but New York this is the exact same situation.
2. The only realistic optino no matter what anyone says and my logic for this is what I said above is the Lakers. The mavs are in no position to trade, then nets and Lakers can make offers. Right now all reports are the Lakers will not Deal Bynum and Gasol and maybe not even Bynum for Howard. While this is subject to change untill it does we are in good shape.
3. If Dwight hits free agency the nets are the favourite times 100, this is also a dream come true for the nets. Brook, Deron, Howard, Brooks are otehr pieces and two talented rookies not to mention what other minor FA move we could make. These devolpments and more incompetence by the Orlando only increase the granted very slim logic would dictate chance the Magic will try and keep or trade him somewhere he won’t sign. That would be great for the nets.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
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"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
Can the Nets
Do like the HEat did and give the Magic just a trade exception if he were to sign as a FA?
Dwight has nothing to gain in the current CBA by doing a sign and trade with the Magic.
If he makes it to FA and sign with any team other then the one with his Bird Right he can’t get the extra fifth year or the high annual increases. This is good in my opinion as the nets will not need to give the magic any asset should Dwight sign with us. You cannot sign and trade bird right under this CBA.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
I see
But like I said before does the 5th year really even matter to him and DWill since they will both likely be max players after 4 years anyway?
Well he would like it but if the magic leave him no choice he is gone either way, It is a factor.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
Dwight requested a trade to the Nets
If he was willing to accept losing the 5th year, he could walk to NJ/BK without depleting our roster
Yeah
I don’t see how the 5th year would be a big deal for him since he would be a Max player in 4 years anyway and just sign another max deal. Would make the most sense for him to say he will refuse to sign with anyone until the summer and then let Nets keep their assets and he will have a better team to go to instead of just him, DWill and a bunch of scrubs
He wants the money. Thats is the big one and it take four years to get to it.
Also the higher annual increases make the difference. All player want as much money as possible.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
No one wants to admit/accept the fact that Dwight's wants to play for the Nets
Whereas with Melo, it “made sense” that he wanted to go to the Knicks (and eventually would, no matter what happened)
Why do you find it so difficult that Dwight is wavering on the Nets, and open to other teams?
DWill oop to D12
Otis Smith makes Travis Outlaw look like Avery Johnson
I think his mind has been made up for a while
Just as every super star prior to Dwight in a similar situation proved. The “wavering” is a media tool to generate stories and ratings. Lebron was going to leave all along, melo was going to NYK either way, and Dwight knows where he’s going to land
That's my "optimistic" thought process
Again, just waiting until March.
by ZR on Jan 5, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
Mr. DB put it close before
it seems like dwight wants the nets.
but lets see how it plays out before we spin it totally in our favor
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The key in all this is the nets have the cap space.
By giving us cap space we have leverage. The lakers for example have no leverage or less as they can’t sign Dwight. Even if we don’t get Dwight, Deron may not be a lock to leave. Where will he sign? If we don’t get Dwight he will likely be on the lakers Deron can’t go there. Dallas are playing like crap and they will ahve gutted their team all they will have is Grampa Dirk,
The nets will have Brook Lopez, Brooks and a new talented rookie a Barnes, or Davis or whoever or to go along with Brooklyn and the better contract they will also have a lot more cap space to add other peices which they be happy to do with no prospect at Dwight. This is because Dallas will be limited with the max contract of Dirk and followed by the addition of Deron. The nets will have Brook on a rather small cap hold and they might as well spend their space and resign Brook using the bird right to go over the cap as hes likely to command big big money anyway. .And we saw what Bily got in Brooks this year imagine in this draft with Rockets pick if we get it in this draft.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
the cap space is def leverage and we must keep it open to keep that threat available….
we will not be able to resign lopez and also sign dwight and dwill to max deals… lopez will either have to be sign and traded for low cost assets or just outright renounced, i believe his cap hold is around 8m….
I think we can we may need to dump Farmar
I haven’t broken down the figures just making assumption based on otehr people have claimed. Here we can have two max and go over the cap to resign Lopez with Bird Rights. Need to work fast though if he get an offer as you only have three days to match now instead of 10.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
yea wed need to dump some combo of farmar/morrow/petro in order to sign 2 maxes while holding onto brooks hold so that we can then go over to resign brook. I wouldnt be opposed to sign and trading brook either
I would but thats me.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
lopez would get a near max deal, dont wanna be like the knicks and have all our cap tied into 3 guys…. also theres no way brook can guard a 4, and both are post players….IMO dwight needs a stretch 4 to play with him like orlando has always done…. at the right price id want to hold onto brook though, wed be a monstrous front line
Don't know why people thinK that just because Brook plays the 4 on O
He’d play the 4 on D.
by Anthony Perez on Jan 5, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
neither dwight or brook is capable of chasing a quicker 4 or stretch 4 around the perimeter, doesnt matter who plays the 4, obviously dwight is a much better shot blocker so imo hed play the 5
You don't think Dwight is quick enough to defend a 4?
by Anthony Perez on Jan 5, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
He has a point, but its useless to argue now
the about of video’s and info either one of you would have to compile is not worth it……or is it?
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What 4 is quicker then Dwight?
There is a reason he is three time defensive player of the year. Bosh, Amare not of those guys would be a problem Dwight is more than quick enough to guard fours he’s very athletic. Also height wise he matches up better with 4’s who won’t be taller than him for sure.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
You can block shots and paly help d from the 4 too.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
We' be bigger then everyone great point.
That would cause problems. People underestimate the value of two dominant post players. Duncan and Robinson cause big matchup problems. More recently Gasol and Bynum.Bynum has been limited on O but lik Gasol Brook has post game and the range to step out an hit the J.
Lopez can spot up to give Dwight room just like a stretch four it doesn’t have to be behind the three point line. Dwight guards the power forward of course. They complement eachother perfectly Dwight could rebound and defend, lopez can give you the offense. And to be honest Lopez’s is and will probably be more skilled then Howard offensively.
Your cap is going to be tied in three player regardless, if you trade Brook for any worthwhile 3 they’ll be on a big enough contract regardless unless its somewhow a rookiee deal. We have the oppurtunity to Deron Dwight and Lopez with 3 contracts ebcause of Lopez’s bird rights. I think we should take it while we can. Besides Lopez could be dealt at any time if the team wanted or needed to even on a big deal.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
Pretty good team.
Deron
Brooks
High pick (Barnes)
or high pick (Davis)
Lopez
Pieces from free agnecy along with Morrow and Draft.
Even without Deron will be in ok shape but Favors and those two picks would be a big loss We are very lucky Billy seems to have pulled a rabbit out of a hat in this years draft and gotten us a legitmate piece in Brooks. Makes you wonder what he could have done if nets chose the Thunder model.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
Screw the Thunder model
The Nets HAVE TO start winning moving into Brooklyn. HAVE TO.
by ZR on Jan 5, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Well we need to keep Deron and get Dwight to that and hopefulyl we can.
But the nets would Have been beasts.
Brook
Brooks
Whoever Billy picked with pick 3.
Favors
2012 high pick
two other 2012 picks. (this draft is stacked and Billy is a great drafter.)
Harris or whatever we coudl for him
Would not have been long before that lineup was winnign games.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
Still average long term
None of those players are superstar caliber. This is a superstar driven league.
by ZR on Jan 5, 2012 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
The player we draft this year can very well be superstar caliber
Dismissing what any of these guys could turn out to be. This is a superstar driven league is an old and bad argument.Its not a responce its a cop out not make a decent point.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
I still think...
…the only reason the NJ-Portland-Orl trade didn’t go through was money. If D12 truly has stuck with his ‘trade me or lose me’ stance, then Orl motivation to wait til deadline has little to do with them hoping he changes his mind. I still get the feeling that trade is still the on that’ll be made when all is said and done. The 3 teams agreed, Orl ownership nixed it.
Orl likely got D12 to stick it out til March…help get Orl in a position for a playoff run for after he gets traded so they can still make money for when he’s gone and if a Lopez/Wallace/JRich/Jameer team gets to the playoffs, it helps ease the fans disgust with the organization, the same way Denver did it.
We all know the Nets deal for Melo was better than the KNicks offer. Denver ended up setting for pieces that would keep the relevant rather than take good rebuilding pieces that Utah eventually received for DWill. I think Denver looks at Utah and is envious they were able to get Favors, Kanter, and Harris as part of their rebuilding effort. Instead, Denver is likely to lose Wilson Chandler. They ended up deciding to pay good amount of cash to keep Nene…something they wouldn’t have to do if they had Favors and Kanter. And they’d still have another pick or two.
Orlando wants to stay competitive after D12 is gone for this season and have the flexibility next year to rebuild. The NJ-Portland-Orl trade at the deadline would accomplish this.
But Why?
Would the Nets make this deal and Gut their team if they can get Dwight as a FA and keep all their assets? Why should Dwight care what Orlando wants? He should only care what the team he is going to has and their future. By him just signing with Nets as a FA he gives himself the best chance for winning! Its really just common sense he will get paid regardless with endorsements etc in NY
Nets get to keep Marshon in this trade...
..and you have to remember the Nets would still need to find pieces to play with DWill and Dwight. I see nothing wrong with Duhon and Turkoglu as role players on a team with DWill leading the way and D12 to clean things up. And as mentioned…u’d still have Marshon.
Berger is a joke
I wasted my time reading his article and the guy doesn’t even get his facts straight.
He says ORL not trading Dwwight at all would be devastating for the Nets. SMH.
He says DAL would have enough room to sign both DWill and Dwight by just amnestying Haywood and cutting Odom. NOT EVEN CLOSE. They’d still have Marion on the books, and even if they dumped him they’d still be around 6 M short of being able to afford 2 maxes.
SMH, this guy’s a joke.
Get at him on Twitter lol
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I was just about to read hamburgers article
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Your read his work!?
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
andres- he isnt so wrong
if you account for state and NY city income tax, Dallas’s offer wouldnt be so far from Brooklyn’s
He is failing at stating facts
Saying Dallas can afford 2 maxes by dumping Haywood and Odom is flat out wrong.
And do you agree with him when he says it would be devastating for us if Orlando didn’t trade Dwight at all? Really?
I have no idea.. maybe it would. here is why
Part of the appeal in getting Dwight early is getting him in the fold and the taste of playing with Deron.
What are the odds they both leave the Nets together to go to Dallas? Very little.
But, if we dont have Dwight, what are the odds Deron leaves? Not so little
devastating...not at all...
Howard would do the “being recruited routine” and visit Dallas, Brooklyn, etc. Unless Dallas can shed Marion AND others…in addition to Haywood, Odom, Carter?…it just doesn’t seem realistic (still possible).
Bottom line is that if Orlando doesn’t trade Howard…even if the Nets have a horrible season…they would be even MORE appealing in the summer with the players and assets they could keep to go along with DWill and D12.
WHile NY is exspensive they
catch you in other way to make up the tax I imagine. The government get their money one way or another.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
About this sign and tade lopez thing if Dwight came in FA.
If Lopez is sign and traded he doesn’t get his bird rights. So he’d have to be open to signing with us or nets would have to be compelte pricks and match an offer for him and then trade him. Just to point that out. I of course would keep him.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
as long as we had the space open hed receive his bird rights in the deal hes signed to in the agreed sign and trade. this would need to occur before dwight and deron sign and also wed need to take in a small amount of salary to not affect their 2 max deals ….
No benifit to Lopez, you won't get much if anything back.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
everyone trashing Berger is foolish
He is a respected reporter and is right more than he is wrong. Any reported who reports rumors takes a chance. Rumors are usually floated for a reason.. someone has an agenda. How many trade rumors are true? Very few.. Yet, we, like most fans want them and eat them up. If the rumors are pro-Nets everyone thinks the rumor is the best thing ever and 100% accurate. If it isn’t pro-Nets, it is BS.
Regarding the Hamburger incident.. Berger looked foolish, no doubt. That said, I bet you he had a source for that. He wouldn’t make things up. Maybe it came from Schwartz. Maybe it came from the Knicks, who were trying to taunt the Nets.
you can't have it both ways
you can’t ask for rumors and then trash the reporter that gives you them. Were the rumors Melo was going to be traded to the Nets BS? Why wasnt Deron to the Nets rumored?
Every leak is done for a reason. Sometimes a player doesnt want to go to a city so they put it out there. Sometimes a team tries to expose another, or force another team’s hand.
I've never respected Berger to begin with, so I'm not having it both ways
I personally was already discrediting Berger during the Melo drama.
exactly I mean just that
A reporter goes with rumors that are sourced. How many rumors are sourced with the player directly.. very few in fact.
But then Deron was traded hours later
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What?
He was already a Net
I'm all in. Go Nets!
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 5, 2012 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
ps- Deron or Dwight would pay 10% per year to NYC and NY State in Income tax
that equates to about 2 million per year on their deal.
So… 18 million in nyc is roughly 16 million in Dallas..
I think the cap is BS.. should use after tax dollars to make it fair and equal.
eh, its part of how the Heat convinced Bosh and Lebron to go there
think it is a factor. Even Deron mentioned cost of living and taxes recently.
It does create an opening for Cuban to try to sway Deron and Dwight. RIley had rings. Cuban has a ring and Dirk. We dont
if the tax is 10% then it would only cost them about half of that, the tax they pay to the IRS is calculated by each state they play in each game accounting for 1/82nd of the income….
Deron...
would lose about 1 mil per year if he signed with dallas vs. the nets…even after taxes. Also with Dirk making a max of $21 mil next year…and including cap holds…I don’t even think Deron and Howard could sign for a full max so they would be forgoing a few more mil.
The tax thing does NOT look as significant in this case.
For Howard (with Rose getting a monster Adidas contract in CHI)…the amount he would make in NY vs. Dallas most likely makes the tax savings seem like nothing.
Not entirely true
I believe it’s much more complex than that. I think players get paid per game, and thus earn money in many different states. For example when the Pacers visit the Knicks, Pacers players still have to pay NY income tax for that game, since that money was earned in NY. On top of that income tax, if the player’s primary residence is in a state with a state income tax, they also have to pay tax there.
OK, let's ignore Berger's track record when it comes to his sources re- DWill
All that “source” is saying is his opinion. It’s not even reporting. It’s an opinion.
But I have to admit Deron has looked like he’s going thru the motions. Not that it necessarily means he wants out, just that he knows this season is lost. His words re Billy’s plan and the big picture hints just that imo.
Not exactly
we’ve set records and have two of the best players at there positions that are both free agents next off-season.
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Meh....When is our next game??
More interested in the next team this franchise can beat on this 2012 schedule. And right now I see “L’s”.
As for Dwight, can’t worry about what his circle think on a daily basis. Neither he nor they play for the Nets right now. And as for the Magic FO are holding on to the one chip they have.
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
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If Dwill and Hump play
we can beat Toronto… maybe
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wait he was there the last 5 years before 2010?
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 5, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
You kidding, right?
last year was his first in MIA
I'm all in. Go Nets!
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 5, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
Alot of Green in that thread lol
7/8 for me :-)
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Is a five year deal an still an option?
I thought that the final CBA required a player to be on the roster for six months before he is eligible for a five year extension. So a D-12 trade had to be made by January 1st or so for him not to be a free agent before he gets the bigger extension. And 3/15 certainly makes no sense. What am I missing. HELP!!! Net Income?
The sooner we all accept this reality the sooner we can begin to move on
There’s little to be optimistic about here. Do we have a chance? Yes…a very slim one though. I’d put our chances at 25-30%. I’m just glad that this is happening the year of such a stacked draft. We’re going to be getting a difference maker to play in Brooklyn, it just isn’t likely to be the one everyone is so set on.
You ever hear the expression...
you gotta take it one game at a time ?
Nets fans gotta take it one day at a time otherwise if your a diehard Nets fan you will drive yourself nuts…
Anthony Davis could make us forget the pain of this Dwightmare rather quickly. I'd rather wait and watch a franchise player we drafted grow up before our own eyes.
Not saying I wouldn’t be thrilled to land Dwight, but the other scenario may prove to be more rewarding in the long run. You never know.
Fear this Nets
Howard coming here is such a long shot. Dwill leaving is not. He is just going through the motions. Why would he stay with this team? What is here? I like any rental option for Howard, b/c teams could sign and trade him to the Nets for BLopez. Who wants to be stuck playing with Lopez and this cast of role players?
Let me get this straight
Ken Berger reported what someone thinks Deron might be thinking? What they “could see him” as thinking?
Is this even serious?
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Jan 5, 2012 8:38 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Exactly
could, might… from 2nd-hand sources.
I mean could it be more speculative?
That person who knows Williams and his tendencies could very well be someone in the Jazz frontoffice for all we know.
DWill’s comments pretty much debunk this theory that “source” is speculating about.
Sources say (they think) Dwight traded (possibly) to Nets by Friday (or sometime after that)(or never)
Source —> Delirious (or realist) NetsDaily fans
I'm all in. Go Nets!
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 5, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
"those close to melo say he wants to be a net"
“oh and the other ones close to him say he doesnt want to be a net”………….just like last year, dont believe any of the BS.
#MarSwag9
buck fitches.
Why are people freaking out that Dwight could be sold on other teams when he's already sold on us?
Timeless - The 2001-2003 NJ Nets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nima3dmLrcw
referencing his reported trade demand to the Nets (and no one else), mainly.
The Dwight will be ours! HAHAHAHAHA
Timeless - The 2001-2003 NJ Nets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nima3dmLrcw
do you guys realize
that dwight and deron are both playing this year out KNOWING theyre on losing teams not goin newhere….THERE SUCKING IT UP UNTIL NEXT YEAR AND TOGETHER thy will join forces…and i just hope its brooklyn….ONLY TEAM im worried about is DALLAS
exactly. like one poster said earlier. if d-will is still here dwight will come. i know d-will is frustrated at the losing right now but i think king might have him sold on getting dwight here for him to stay and resign
only team i’m worried about is LA. not dallas. because dallas isn’t going to trade for dwight and if dwight makes it to free agency why would he go to dallas if the bigger market is brooklyn
I’m tired of seeing posts about including brooks in a deal for dwight. That ridiculous. Brooks has immense talent, they haven’t had a guy that could fill it up like this since drazen.
The magic don’t like lopez…f them. That bozo thorn gave away Ryan anderson…they should get loaded up no more. Dwight will sign with the Nets, they will make it happen once they get out of the swamplands of jersey. Dr. J will lift his curse and born will be the Brooklyn nets!!!! Lol…the first pick will be ours, sic!!!
AVIL85
lakers cant afford deron and dwight…dalllas can…deron amd dwight will go somewhere together….dwights NEEDS and WANTS to. play with a premier point guard….chris paul OUT…ROSE OUT…addidas isnt letting that happen…..AND WESTBROOK isnt happenin…trust me …bk or dallas….and with new arena…rich owner ..big market…pg already here BUT MOST OF ALL…comin to brooklyn. and being the face of a franchise that has been nothing but garbage and turning it a championship team…IN NEW YORK!!!! i just strongly feel this is where hes gonna be….i mean what better story can it be….where a star leaves his team to go to (according to the whole sports world) the lowly never nothing nets…..to add dwight wouldnt be following anyones lead but his own…..PATIENCE NET FANS IT WILL HAPPEN….
BEST CASE SCENARIO
top 5 pick….signing dwight and wilson chandler….STARTING 5 2012…DERON WILLIAMS…MARSHIN BROOKS WILSON CHANDLER HUMP AND DWIGHT
We are in trouble...
…any time a NY team is brought up involving the possibility of attaining a big name…it usually means that NY team is truly exploring the idea.
Favre to Jets was a pipe dream, but it really happened.
Melo to Knicks was impossible cuz Nets assets were better, but it happened.
ARod to Yankees would never happen cuz Jeter was here, but it happened.
D12 to knicks won’t happen cuz Orl wouldn’t want Amare’s bad knees…but…
None of those things were far fetched
Talking heads scrambling for controversy are the ones who claimed ARod and Jeter wouldn’t accommodate each other, and how the hell was Favre a pipe dream when he was practically a free agent?
by J-Nasty on Jan 6, 2012 2:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not surprising to read this
I’m sure if Berger said ‘Howard to Nets all but a done deal’ the same people trashing him would be eating up whatever he’s saying 100%. Hilarious!
if i can’t see it, or pretend not to see it, it won’t hurt me. Is that the mentality we have now?
we all have our gut feelings
mine says Deron Williams would like to finish his career and move his family back home. Dallas with Howard, Deron, and Dirk will be the top team for years. Even Dirk as an aging player will be good enough to make them great.
The Nets would be best served, again in my opinion, exploring other options to trade Deron somewhere else, like OKC for Westbrook, as an example. But truth is if Deron doesn’t want to sign longterm with OKC them that’s not happening.
Obviously Brook Lopez getting injured really screwed things up. It could be a blessing if the Nets get a top 4 pick and he becomes the next superstar. Then Lopez, Humphries, Brooks, and this “next superstar” could become very good rather quickly, with a top flight free agent added.
But it just feels that the Nets playing towards another 12 win season will scare off Howard. Until a big time free agent does take on that type of challenge, we’ll have to be proved otherwise, because it always seems like a top flight free agent talks, but then balks from that kind of challenge.
Gee I'm so surprised to see D-Will to Dallas rumors...
“citing someone familiar with williams’ tendencies”. This is the stuff i’m tired of reading. Becoming comical tbh and i’m not just speaking on anti-nets info.
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