D-Will, D12, Lopez? Can It Happen?
by Net Income on Jan 28, 2012 8:25 AM EST
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PrintThings are getting ugly again in Orlando following another bad loss. Dwight Howard called out his teammates' effort. Local writers have suggested (again) that it's time for the Magic to deal him, citing his praise of the Celtics organization after the Magic lost to Boston in a classic collapse.
Still, there's no indication that GM Otis Smith and owner Rich DeVos have moved away from their position that Howard won't be traded till after the All-Star Break. But what if the Magic don't trade him at the trade deadline? Is it possible for Billy King to work the cap in such a way that they keep Deron Williams and Brook Lopez while signing Howard as a free agent? Mike Mazzeo tries his hand at the math, with an assist from Larry Coon.
- Could D-12/D-Will/Lopez happen? - Mike Mazzeo - ESPN New York
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Ideally for me, we suck this season, get a great draft pick and then sign Dwight and keep Deron, Brook, and MarShon. Instantly the best team in the NBA, IMO.
on paper, it would be cool if they sucked... again
but i just can’t root against them! Been enjoying some hard fought basketball with some wins!!!
Agreed we've done enough loosing
Need to get rid of that mentality, whatever happens with the picks happens it feels nice to be able to watch NBAtv and see a W and talk about the playoffs.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
by Atronic on Jan 28, 2012 8:37 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
If the Nets make the playoffs and Dwight becomes a FA, I'm 99% positive he becomes a Net
If they can do that without Howard, imagine what they can do with him.
This team would be a lock for the playoffs if Lopez was healthy right now
and they still may be. Dwill is too talented for this team to not be able to consistently beat teams that are lottery bound.
Humphries, Farmar, Morrow, and Shelden Williams have all played well for this team. I think it’s about time they received more recognition from Nets fans.
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by BrooklynNets on Jan 28, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
lol...i don't know about instantly..but the more i see the BROOKS play lopez and marshon
u have to go with one or the other if your gonna get D12…..the nets can’t have 3 players that needs the ball to be effective and have D12 on the team…
i disagree
Lopez has shown he is capable of being the man and/or being third fiddle (played without the ball in his hands with Carter and Harris). He can either do a post iso or be the recipient of a pass for an open jumper. Having many options on offense is only a bad thing if they are incapable of passing and are black holes on offense (the Carmelo Anthony and the Knicks). Deron Williams and Dwight are willing passers—same with Marshon.
Marshon Brooks also seems capable of dominating and/or playing team ball. He has shown he can pass the rock but also shows that he can hit an open jump shot with one (or none) dribbles (like Morrow does)—this is important. This is something Kobe doesn’t even do well—or Carter, or Iverson, or many other “scorers”. This is where Marshons game is more similar to Ray Allen than Kobe—his efficiency and ability to hit open jump shots—but similar to Kobe’s in style.. Obviously he isn’t in either of their classes yet (or ever—we will see), but the point is he can exist within an offense without dominating the ball. Has he done this often? No, because we need him to dominate the ball, but he definitely can and has shown the ability to pass and hit open jump shots despite criticisms from “scouts” and ESPN’s draft “experts”.
Marshon will never be as talented as any of the players you compared him to
but he may be super efficient and he looks like he will win. Carter and Iverson weren’t really winners and Kobe is the best perimeter player of his generation hands down. Allen’s game is probably the most iconic and unique to the NBA. Any way you look at it though, Marshon does not have the athletic ability that helps to set those guys apart.
In regards to Brook, although he’s not a very good passer I agree that he can integrate into a variety of offensive schemes quickly. He’s a smart guy and has a very diverse repertoire. If Lopez asserts himself he will be among the league leaders in points per game, IMHO. If he has to slide over to accommodate Howard than he could easily get the Nets 23 and 8 more efficiently than he does now.
What I am really looking forward to though: Marshon and Brook running the pick and roll. Think about it – two guys who are some of the slowest movers come off of a screen! It’ll be the slowest, deadliest play ever.
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by BrooklynNets on Jan 28, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
My comparison was merely to describe
how scorers often need the ball in their hands to be effective. Shooters don’t. Marshon comes off as a “scorer” but is actually efficient as a shooter too. Don’t look beyond that in my comparison. I also do not think Marshon will be as good as Kobe—or Ray Allen etc. I mean, they are HOF. Its possible, but i dont expect it. What I expect is that Brooks will be dominant in his own way succeeding against his era. I can only think of a handful of guards wings his age that are as or more skilled than Marshon:
Rudy Gay 25 yrs old (i think)
Wesley Mathews
James Harden
Kevin Durant
Eric Gordon
Demar Derozen
Paul George
Gordon Hayward
Gerald Henderson
Wesley Johnson
Bill Walker
Terrence Williams
Landry Fields
Austin Daye
Danillo Gallinari (24?)
Of that list, Marshon is already better than half of his peers. He will never be Durant.. but he very well could be a top 4 wing/guard of his generation amongst Harden, Paul George (maybe), Durant, and Gallinari (maybe)…
Granted Marshon will likely never be Kobe.. never said he would. Was only describing how Marshon is still effective (and can grow to become even more) with or without the ball in his hands.
Regardless of Dwight— I too look forward to seeing Marshon and Brook run the pick and roll—however, I dont think they are slow, but instead calculating and smooth. They both have such smooth games. Marshon is a lot faster than he appears. Lopez too—sorta lol…
I love how people say
they know Brooks won’t be as good as so and so. We don’t know how good he will be he has shown that he can be really good so far. Let’s just say we don’t know, he very well could become a hall of famer one day.
by Mr. Cash on Jan 28, 2012 1:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
How much do you love it
enough to realize that I actually agree with your logic, and that you misread what I had written?
It is likely that he wont be Kobe 2.0— thats not a hard statement to buy into—yet I even said its possible.
Its pretty uncontroversial to suggest that Kobe is a top player of all time at his position (or of all positions even) and that most players wont be as good as him.
But I agree, anything is possible. But if you read my previous post you would see that I actually DO think Marshon has the skill set to be great. And the next post I had even compared him to be one of the best of his generation. So… I am not sure what you are offended by.
I was as objective as possible.
And its all projection. Nobody knows anything. And everything else is perception, which is always bias. So there is really no point ever in making hypothetical statements is there? How zen. Lets just state this for the record. I do think anything is possible and I do share the same logic as you in terms of Marshon—we dont know (and I am included in “we”).
To a certain extent you can project that
The all-time greats in this league have had skill, smarts, and extreme athleticism. Their have been many all-star caliber players that lacked the athleticism aspect yet still had amazing careers. The thing is, MarShon was overlooked because he didn’t have that explosiveness that a guy like Ray Allen does. That does realistically lower his ceiling (I mean how many dunks has this kid had all year anyway? Two?).
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by BrooklynNets on Jan 28, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
agree completely
however Brooks does have the athleticism. But for whatever reason he isn’t a dunker.. but neither was Reggie Miller. I mean, there are templates and then there are new molds all the time.. he was overlooked for whatever reasons. Though, of his generation he seems to be amongst the most talented. Thats all I was trying to investigate.
by Nets! on Jan 28, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and my original post
was to explain that I think Marshon has the skill set to mesh well within a team—that he is more than a scorer (so far). He seems to be a shooter too. Thats a valuable combination that only a few other players really nail. Ill leave it at that or I risk repeating myself lol
Agreed
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by BrooklynNets on Jan 28, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Reggie Miller was pretty athletic
He was long and was like a spring shooting the ball. MarShon isn’t there.
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by BrooklynNets on Jan 28, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
combine results indicate he is
I think its about his preferred style of play that we are judging. I mean, he just plays the game more silky and smooth—and it proves to work out for him. I mean, I really think he has the athleticism— I have seen his dunks in college, and some rebounds, but he is more McGrady then (young) Carter… or to appease those who want to criticize my comparisons thinking that I actually think he is as good as the examples I use for an analogy: so for those people ill say he is more CDR then TWILL in style of play. But the kicker is, his athleticism tests show he is capable of TWILL athleticism. I think as he gets stronger he will be able to bang more and take it strong to the basket.
I think ..
This kid is the next Paul pierce..in saying that I can’t wait to see how he matures to the game
by mrblu on Jan 29, 2012 12:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
true lopez was third option for 1 year when harris and vc were running around
but lopez wouldn’t be getting more than 10 shots per game here if above scenario came true…i guess we will see…i love brook lopez….and i hope he stays…so i guess we shall see
Howard doesn't need the ball that much to be effective
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by BrooklynNets on Jan 28, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree
I think it will be like when the big three in Boston got together. It will be lots of team basketball with willing passers an a group of players who want to win. I think brooks Williams, Howard, and Lopez can coexist
by i says on Jan 28, 2012 4:35 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I think
Deron and Dwight have learned from the mess in MSG. Don’t take max deals so you can put a real team together. Dwill could take 3 or 4 mil haircut along with Dwight to keep Lopez and maybe a SF.
their problem is that their max player are playing like moiso
excuse my bad english please
Yeah there all not worth max money
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
by Atronic on Jan 28, 2012 8:38 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Amare isnt a max guy
Thou melo is playing like moiso he still is
We are in another atmosphere. You're just in the Troposhere we in the Exospere. In other words the JETS are higher than you!
by Fly-as-a-JET on Jan 28, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
Carmelo is a lot like Iverson
the good and the bad.. Except Iverson actually passed the ball.
Amare is just getting old… crazy that his contract is not insured.. Thats just doom waiting to happen for the Knicks.. They really only have a 2 year window. And then they can sign a different crop of free agents. Only problem is that this current crop cost them a bunch of picks, so they have no role players or upcoming draft talent to ween into whatever team they want to assemble in the future.
Knicks future (unless they start winning SOON) seems pretty bleek.
Somewhat true...
Melo is kind of like Iverson in the fact that he handles the ball way too much, and they lose games because of that. But Stoudemire is still really good- age has nothing to do with what is going on there. What’s going on with the Knicks is what happens when you sign a defensive center and leave your team void of a good point guard. The Knicks are going to have to take another few years to get better after signing Chandler, that was kind of a setback.
Their other problem is that the want Melo to be a point foward...he's a scorer you will lose that battle 9 times outta 10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUbT5sXz7Rw
We are in another atmosphere. You're just in the Troposhere we in the Exospere. In other words the JETS are higher than you!
by Fly-as-a-JET on Jan 28, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Luckily they probably learned the lesson that you need someone to DISTRIBUTE the damn ball to be effective for teams with 2 stars on them. Good thin Deron can do that.
As for the cap, hopefully both Deron and Dwight know the importance of saving some cap space if they both sign with the Nets and let some room for Brook or maybe Hump to sign on.
by IrishPride187 on Jan 28, 2012 4:48 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Does sound like a quick enough team to me...
I would prefer trading Brook, if we get D12 as a FA, for a strong wingman. I think you can do it with a strong 1-2 punch of DWill/D12 and remaining $$$ for a strong supporting cast.
by Whoop Dee Damn Doo on Jan 28, 2012 8:34 AM EST reply actions
There isn't an available swingman
That could bring back equal value for Lopez. Keep Lopez and add filler at the three along with Bojan, the Nets will be able to get by.
The math on this is pretty easy though: trade any two of Farmar, Williams, Morrow, or Petro. Given the way Farmar and Morrow have played I think the Nets could not only trade away their cap burden but also get some second rounders in return.
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by BrooklynNets on Jan 28, 2012 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
Not yet though, Morrow still needs to win the three point contest, and Petro needs to win the skills challenge.
-Justin L.
Can't get anything for Petro
But Hump, Morrow, and Farmar doesn’t get you something?
How about trading Hump to Atlanta for their 2012 first round pick and Kirk Heinrich’s expiring? Atlanta needs extra depth upfront after the Horford Injury.
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by BrooklynNets on Jan 28, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Not right now, but players become available all the time
If the Nets can keep all their draft picks and sign Howard as a FA, the Nets could easily trade Lopez and two first round picks for a legitimate SF.
how about hump?
He’s unrestricted next year? Can we go over the cap to resign him… Cause if we lose lopez. A team of dwight dwill hump is pretty good aswell..
by kupalski on Jan 28, 2012 8:39 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I don't think we can go over the cap to sign him.
Lopez would be a much better fit next to Howard, IMO.
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by BrooklynNets on Jan 28, 2012 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
Don't we still have his bird rights since the Nets had it last?
and of course Lopez is a much better fit, but if you lose Lopez, and it’s still very possible, Hump would be nice to bring back. Even Dwight had a super-sub like Gortat behind him at their peak, getting rebounding and defending the rim done even without him
yes and this next year is the last under the less restrictive rules
2013=14 and beyond has more restrictive cap, etc.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
so there is a possiblity of keeping hump ... i wouldnt mind that!!
Double teaming d12 will leave hump open all day!!
by kupalski on Jan 28, 2012 9:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hump and Howard would be an absolute rebounding force
Unless you’re Griffin/Jordan or Bynum/Gasol, what frontline can keep up with that?
Not these guys:
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by BrooklynNets on Jan 28, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
We would have to renounce Hump's bird rights
in order to sign Howard, Williams and retain Lopez. But I agree, if not Lopez, why not Hump? He has been superb.
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by BrooklynNets on Jan 28, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
When Lopez gets the ball and tunnel vision ,
And more shots than Dwight, there may be a problem. Why pair Shaq and Duncan ? You need Humph next to Dwight! Think Haslem and Horace Grant. Don’t remember who played PF in LA.
by Zartan on Jan 28, 2012 9:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
D12 won't make it to Free Agency as an employee of the Magic organization.
….Orlando will do the foolish thing and not learn from the Cleveland mistake and also not learn from their own history when they lost Shaq. Yeah right! Orlando isn’t keeping D12 past the trade deadline. Part of me thinks one of the reasons they’re playing poorly was their decision to not extend a couple of their young players which include Ryan Anderson. This was likely OR most probably viewed upon as the beginning of the end. It’s the same as when Kidd wanted out of NJ…the team was clearly not the same. Some nights Kidd and the team were motivated to get a win, but on most other nights it was “let’s just get through this game and get outta here.” Orlando will probably still drag this thing out past the All-star break like everyone feels, but if I’m them and if the team is quitting on the season, I’d try to make a trade ASAP to build some chemistry with the new players and keep the playoffs in the picture. We’ll see how this next week goes with the Magic. Going .500 won’t tell us much, but losing some ugly games like this past week will tell us everything….IMO.
Might sound crazy....
But i think if Brook wasn’t hurt Dwight might have been traded here already. Probably in the current time frame…. as in last week or this coming week.
I don't think it's crazy
It’s why everything is on hold. Nets need to keep winning and make the pundits talk favorably of them for once.
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by BrooklynNets on Jan 28, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Getting everything is a dream situation, but I'd rather have a bird in the hand than two in the bush
In other words, giving Brook to get this done ASAP is no problem, you don’t want to take any chances. Would really suck if it had to be Brook AND Brooks though; Brook, picks, and anything else is just fair game
Agree if we want Howard.. we have to get him during the season..
Think it will cost Lopez and marShon. and some picks…
I know everyone was dismissing the Celtics.. but a team like that could be a threat as a free agent. On Celtics forums, people were arguing they can try to resign KG or Allen for the midlevel.. and bring back their team plus Howard. I know everyone here likes to dismiss them as old and not a threat.. which is foolish. They have a championship pedigree and champion coach. The fight the Celtics showed against Orlando this week likely has left a mark on Dwight.
It all depends what he wants.. nobody really knows
-does he want a big market first? (Brooklyn)
-playing with his friends (DWill)
-championship pedigree (Celts)
-Hollywood?
Everyone says he doenst want to just go to LA and follow Shaq. Nobody knows what he wants.. all speculation.
Anyhow.. point is. if we align DWill and Dwight now.. there is virtually no chance they would leave. They would be wrapped up here. So if that is what King wants.. he knows this and will do it.
i am saying it is speculation that Howard doesnt want to go to the Lakers because Shaq was there
As for what Buss said.. yeah that means something. Then again. Proky pulled the Nets out of the Melo sweepstakes with a lot of pomp and circumstance and then we went back in (or never left) …. Steinbrenner said the Yankees were not going to re-sign ARod and they did
Sports are a fluid thing… Buss saying that carries weight.. but nothing is ever absolute
But we've definitely moved from our offer before the season, right?
The idea of sending out Brook, our first rounders, and taking back Hedo just doesn’t seem worth it anymore. Are the Lakers really going to swoop in and make a better offer? How much are we willing to give up? Because to me it has to be less than what it cost us for Dwill. Don’t see how the Magic have much leverage left.
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by BrooklynNets on Jan 28, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Don't know if anyone saw this
But Kris Humphries has a new a new advisor .
When can i get my Dwight Howard Brooklyn Nets Jersey?
by AmbassadorAmeer on Jan 28, 2012 8:52 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Man, why did the Nets every give Petro a three-year contract?
by Accelerate on Jan 28, 2012 9:00 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
It was the right thing to do at that time
We were desperate for players after that record breaking season lol
Desperate for players doesn't mean you do a three year deal
That’s on Avery Johnson via Thorn.
No
The right thing to do at the time was bring back Josh Boone for a couple of years. Boone’s a good player and intelligent but he always lacked confidence. Avery would have helped him.
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by BrooklynNets on Jan 28, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Same reason we gave Outlaw a 5-yr $30M
…Avery handpicked Petro…
by jirohkanzaki on Jan 28, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't we own Deron's rights just like Lopez?
I was under the impression that we could sign Dwight outright and then resign Deron and Brook to go over the cap since we own their bird rights.
I don’t see it being a difficult task to ship out Farmar and/or Shawne Williams for 2nd rounders.
For you cap experts…. are we able to go over the cap to sign out own players? Is there a max on how many of those players you can sign to go over the cap? Because im assuming we could also resign HUMP if we have his rights as well.
Bird rights=cap holds...
… so an unsigned Humphries would count against the cap at 150% of his current salary of $8m unitl he signs a new contract or the the Nets renounce their rights.
Nets would have to sign Deron, shed salaries and renounce Bird rights in order to clear enough cap space to offer Howard a max level deal.
Takeaway
My takeaway from that article is that it’s hard and unlikely.
by mt57 on Jan 28, 2012 9:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions
i like what he's trying to do..
but what if we do sign d12 dwill n lopez. i would rather a sign n trade of lopez and a pick for josh smith. atlanta would do it n i don’’t c y the nets won’t. d12 n smith down low, all defense n dunks.
and sign mkg.
dwill
brooks
mkg
j-smooth
d12
one of the most athletic teams and not a bad defensive team either
my takeaway is that it will require some creativity, but its not impossible
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
That's why the Nets won't commit long-term deals for Lopez and James right now
Need to maintain flexibility.
You mean like the clippers?
All dunks does not make a championship team.
I rather Lopez and his fundamentals than j smith and his diminishing athleticism.
We need someone who can make FT’s with a game on the line = Lopez
If I can just hide, the sinner inside, and keep him denied.
How sweet life would be, if I could be free, from the sinner in me.
In a perfect world the Nets will remain competitive for the playoffs up until the very end of the year. The Nets need to recreate that culture of winning in the organization along with showing not only DWill, but Dwight, Brook, and the rest of the league how close the Nets are to being a force in the East. That is paramount for success this summer. Ideally, however, the Nets end up in the lotto…..and get their SF of the future. We all know tales of a rigged lottery, I’m sure Stern would like to see a young stud end up in Brooklyn from the start teamed with our talented young rookie Marshon.
Seems more probable each day that the Rockets pick will be ours and in the late teens.
And call me crazy, but I don’t believe the Magic trade Dwight until at least after the All Star game. And if they are in a top 4-5 seed by then, I think they go all in. The league is much more open in a shortened season.
I think trading Shawne Williams is nearly impossible. The guy needs surgery after season.
We are getting excellent play from Farmar however, and I think Nets keep “showcasing” him for the league…..someone will have a need to trade for him. Shame Knicks have no room or assets, he would be a good trade for them – and frees up cap space for us.
Farmar could be an attractive piece to an NBA team
And I agree about Shawne Williams – once you come out and say you need off-season surgery, you kind of hurt any sort of chances. I’m still against that Shawne Williams signing, so not worth $3.5M.
I thought that because we have the bird rights to Lopez, we can go over the cap to retain him if it comes to free agency
by Jtart9 on Jan 28, 2012 9:19 AM EST via mobile reply actions
the idea is to trade all future salary commitments outside brooks basically...
and they can pull it off. morrow is the only other guy we need because he shoots it
I really feel as if Bking has several plans
One plan for trading for Dwight and another for signing Dwight as a free agent. I’m not sure I like the pairing of d12 and blo when we desperately need a SF. I’m pretty certain that outside of getting Dwight that Obtaining a starting caliber SF is on the top of Bking’s list, we need to address all of our weaknesses and to be honest the SF position is our biggest weakness at this point.
by bbatts30 on Jan 28, 2012 9:25 AM EST via mobile reply actions
We are in a catch 22
The Knicks experience shows there is huge risk to the superstar team. I realize having a top pg-c is much different than 3 front court guys and no back court… but.. if we trade all (or most) depth for Howard.. it may not be as good as it seems (when Howard is in foul trouble, we’d be left with the lineup we have now.. but likely also without Hump if he gets dealt)..
We need 2 shooters and D for Howard to thrive. I know many think he will be better with a better PG.. that is somewhat true..
If Howard is dealt to someone other than us, there is a decent chance he will stay there.. not 100%.
It comes down to:
- Do the Celtics have enough (likely not).. their pick, clippers pick. The fight the Celtics showed against him must make a mark.. but if they trade KG or PP or Rondo for him.. appeal is less to DH, I would think. I know the Celtics arent on his list… but that doesnt mean Ainge wouldnt take a chance if it was an option. Plus… realize Howard said no to Golden State when he was there and did not say no to the Celtics.. that means they are at least an option
-Will the Lakers trade Pau and Bynum? Unclear.
-Will another team, like Atlanta, make a play for him?
Dwight has his list but Orlando doesnt have to honor it. Our best chance of keeping him is getting him during the season. In fact, if we get him during the year, it is a near 100% lock he stays.. If we don’t acquire him, I would think the odds drop a lot. We still may be the favorites.. but will BK want to risk that?
Regarding Lopez.. sure if we can keep all three.. that is ideal… He would be great to have. Again. Howard gets in foul trouble. There is no denying that. Having Lopez there to play 4 and slide over to te 5 when Howard is on the bench would be amazing
I seriously doubt Orlando keeps him throughout the season
Dwight hasn’t given any indication that he will resign with them other than the fact that he said he loves the fans in Orlando, but Lebron also said he loved the fans in Cleveland as well so I guess take from that what you will my dude.
by bbatts30 on Jan 28, 2012 9:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
you are probably right.. comes down to how Orlando is playing.. if they are not playing well
he will be dealt. If they are.. there is a chance Otis rolls the dice and keeps him.
I still don't think he makes it to the end of the season with them
Inless he says he doesn’t want to be traded. Orlando does not want another Shaq situation.
by bbatts30 on Jan 28, 2012 9:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
depends what they can get in a trade
If they dont like the assets they get back, maybe they decide to ride it out.. get good draft picks for a few years and reboot.. like Cleveland just did
If the Cavs traded Lebron for players, maybe they dont get Kyrie.
If the Magic think the players they get back fit their model going forward, they trade hin. If they dont they wont.
Lopez is a RFA. Maybe Orlando doesnt want him long term??? Lopez’s value is only high if Orlando wants to keep him. If they are unsure.. he is of less value to them
THe best value comes in picks and Brooks of course. Which is why if we get Dwight.. MarShon, our #1, the Rockets#1 and likely another #1 pick go there as well.
even if we get d12 and keep lopez
wouldnt mind paying hump some good money to stay with us…i really like he hustles every night and gives the energy we need….he could be perfect for 6th man
I like hump too
Hump has def removed the tag that he is not a starting caliber PF, when he most def is as he has proved all last season and this season so far, I wouldn’t mind seeing him play along side Dwight, which is a possibility being that he can veto any trade he is a part of.
by bbatts30 on Jan 28, 2012 9:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i would like these big four man next season
howard,lopez,hump and okur……okur because he can step out to hit some threes which he will get after d12 comes..
by devinharris34 on Jan 28, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty certain that
At least 2 out of the 4 will be gone…
by bbatts30 on Jan 28, 2012 9:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Of course Lopez and Dwight are a dream team.
There is 0% chance of Hump and probably Hump and Dwight isn’t too likely. Hump will get paid and he is not the best fit next to Dwight. Can’t comment on Okur as don’t know what money he’ll command and what his priorities are. Probably get a decent contract that we can’t afford somewhere else for his last deal and play somewhere else. I’d imagine his priority will be to get paid.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
Is it even possible?
I’d like Hump and Stevenson back too but is it possible? I’d love to see:
Williams/(Backup PG)
Brooks/Morrow
(FA/Pick)/Stevenson
Lopez/Hump
Howard/Sh. Williams
That’s a team that can go far IMO.
Probably not
They would need to renounce Hump’s bird rights to sign Howard. Only way to get him back then would be with the $2.5 million exception or at the league minimum.
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D12 will be traded before Deadline. 100%.
1. He will get his extra 30 mill, and that is why BK will help out.
2. Owner of ORL already authorized a trade before deadline; he can NOT allow Shaq 2.0
3. Turk coming back our way it’s not the worst thing; we need a 3.
4. I just hope Okur goes there instead of Hump. There is nobody getting Off-Rebs while both on the floor.
5. Morrow or Swag will just be more valuable with D12 in the middle and D-Will at the helm.
by d2d on Jan 28, 2012 9:37 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Dwight said its not about the money, so the 30mil doesn’t matter to him. “That’s not why I’m doing this” was his exact words I believe.
yeah you believe that ...
One more point … he is not getting traded before All Star Game, it’s just not good business.
He will, however, be shipped before March 15th. That’s 100%.
this is what im thinking
dwill/duhon
stevenson/gaines
hedo/shawne williams
hump/sheldon williams
dwight/fa or draft
Jersey Strong, Brooklyn Ready
a lot of room for improvement but that team alone can do some damage
Jersey Strong, Brooklyn Ready
by BrooklynNets8 on Jan 28, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
Man
You think we give up morrow and brooks in the deal??? I’m not sure if I like that bro
by bbatts30 on Jan 28, 2012 9:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
this is what i am thinkin for startin lineup...
i dont think brook is be the answer next to howard..he is not athletic but a good post player…so i was thinkin about sign and trade lopez with ATL for josh smith. our starting lineup would be
pg-deron
sg-morrow
sf-stevenson
pf- Smith
c-d12
thats like the best defensive team in the league….also there would be no problem with offense too with three guys who can score 20 every night..
Id do anything for that team
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by eLonepb on Jan 28, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Smith can score 20 every night?
I would see him as a 15 PPG guy, tops.
by BrooksBridges11 on Jan 28, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
i am not saying 20 every night
but certainly has talent to do so…
by devinharris34 on Jan 28, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
He can still improve but he's also starting to show what he'll be tops
And that is a player who replicates what Dwight does as his best assets.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
I don't know where you guys are at Lopez is much better next to Smith then
Howard. Lopez can continue to get a lot better.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
d12 is way too athletic to pair up with lopez
lopez is the old skool guy with some nice post moves….i am saying we need another athletic guy to put us over everyone else…adding smith makes us one of the athletic teams and the best defensive team
by devinharris34 on Jan 28, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Well you might think so but I think having athleticisim
Next to Lopez is perfect. I prefer Lopez’s offense next to Howard. Also like their height. Don’t see the point in two players with the same strengths beside eachother alhtough it would make a sweet interior D.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
the only way to figure that out is too
play lopez with howard next season…if it doesnt work out swing a deal for lopez at the deadline….
by devinharris34 on Jan 28, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Can we afford that?
The whole premise of the Brook-Dwight-Deron team is the fact that Brook is a free agent and you can use his bird rights to exceed the cap after signing Dwight. Can’t sign Dwight without cap space
I don't know that Stevenson cna guard SF's every game at this point in his career.
And on offense, not giving the opposing SF much to worry about
What do you guys think of this lineup? And do you think it's realistically possible?
D-Will / Farmar
Brooks / Morrow
W. Chandler / Stevenson / Bogdanovic
Hump / ShaWill / JorWill
Dwight / SheWill
I like this lineup a lot better
D- Will/ Gaines
Brooks/ Morrow
Pick/ pick/ other net
Lopez/ S Will
Howard/ whoever.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
i still dont understand
why no one wants to see if lopez and howard can play together..
last years NBA champs started two 7 footers (mavs) (dirk and tyson)
the team that won two chips before them had 2 starting 7 footers (Lakers) (bynum & gasol)
the team before them to win a chip had two starters nearly 7 foot (garnett & perkins)
its a winning formula D-Will with twin towers equals a ring!!!
by watchoutBLo on Jan 28, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the last time
howard went to the finals he played with another decent 7 footer in Gortat
by watchoutBLo on Jan 28, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
I'd love to see Lopez and Dwight together
But just like what the article stated above, it is possible but hard to do. And that means we would have to get Dwight thru Free Agency. IMO I don’t think Dwight’s going past the trade deadline.
Prob not but I expect this will happen if he does make it to FA.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
My point exactly
Twin towers that complement eachother perfectly. Lets Dwight is the best defender and close to rebounder in the nba. Lopez has trouble with D and at times rebouding. Howard some times isn’t consistent with his offense or at the lest doesn’t have great moves. Lopez has great post moves and offense that can keep getting getter. They can both play in the post and Lopez can play in the high post. Dwight needs someone to space the floor when hes in the Low post Lopez can hit from 20 feet +.Dwight has never played with somone in the post or high post that commands double teams Lopez goes. Dwight commands double teams for Lopez. They can play High low passing the ball. Lopez needs to get better at passing but he was improving.
Deron Williams is feeding two giants in the post. To me its a much better version of Gasol Bynum because of a better point and because Howard is so much better than Bynum has been.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
by shea23 on Jan 28, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ugh excuse typos
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
You've said it. Big men with their skills are hard to some by
we can draft or pick a SF. I think Howard and Lopez compliment eachother quite well and Deron will have a field day feeding those guys inside or kicking out to a Morrow, Marshon, Shawne, maybe Stevenson and Okur when they are in.
The choices will be many and that’s how this team was built.
Both Lopex and Dwight command double teams, along with Deron.
That’s three guys on the court that need 5-6 guys to guard them. Why wouldn’t anyone want to see that.
I might get smoked for sayin this...
How about going back to pairing brook with his twin robin…that’s a great contingency plan
by mrblu on Jan 29, 2012 12:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Love the Hump but if we got Howard the best point of Howard are what Hump does well.
On top of that if you wanted to get him a good rate this summer was the time next summer he’ll lkiely command a big contract. Either way Hump probably didn’t want a long deal at a lowish amount and nets needd the space. Apreciate him but he is the odd man out.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
Looks like Dump Farmar and Petro and we'd be a go.
Farmar has played well should be moveable draft day or deadline. Petro might take a second rounder to get rid off but at the end of the day its only 3 million and he’ll be an expiring. I thought Shawne got 2/5 mill over two years. Gving him over 3 mill in year two was a bonehead move by King and company.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
honestly
i think we will see a 4 team deal of some sorts
orlando getting Lopez, brooks, batum or wallace
nets getting howard, mayo
memphis getting farmar and picks
blazers getting draft picks expiring contract
I think this may please some of you:
Blow it up. Matter of fact blow up MSG with the Knicks, the coaching staff and our idiot owner in it so I have no choice but to be a Nets fan. Nets and Knicks have identical records, why are our tickets so expensive again?
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Jan 28, 2012 12:51 AM EST
by BrooksBridges11 on Jan 28, 2012 10:18 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
LMAO
So true. The Nets will be the talk of the town next year
by DJ HeavyDuty on Jan 28, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
That's a great username.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Jan 28, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Knicks are the unfortunate case of not only a team giving up too many assets for a superstar, but for a superstar who doesn't fit well with their current superstar
Luckily, Dwight and Deron could be a perfectly complimentary pair. Pick and rolls would be crazy, though Dwight doesn’t do it a lot. Even if Dwight does post up a lot, Deron has shown the ability to be an off-ball player this year
Excellent
But at least Shumpert is going to win ROY!
WE WANT LOPEZ! clap clap clap clap clap
by BrooklynNets on Jan 28, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Only way this happens is via trade of Johnson & JSmoove for D12
Since there are player options renegotiating deals with shawne and Farmar can always be possible, they may exercise their player option. So I am sure that D12/ Dwill and Lopez is possible. But Trade needs to happen.
Chris Kaman
I heard Kaman is on the market. Would be a good addition. We would have:
D Will/Farmar
Brooks/Morrow
Stevenson/Owens
Humphries/Okur
Lopez/Kaman
Seems pretty good to me. Just give them a couple second round picks and maybe the Rockets first round pick.
Tre
by Treshawn on Jan 28, 2012 10:27 AM EST via mobile reply actions
im possible
Trading Okur for Kaman would work though
by DJ HeavyDuty on Jan 28, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Hornet's asking price is too high.
"They were asking for draft picks, cap space and a young player," one executive says.
That is hilarious.
I guess they are trading Chris Paul, not Chris Kaman.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Jan 28, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
It would have to be Okur and Picks for Kaman.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
I like this
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
Ultimately this team will open Barclays
Dwill Gaines
Brooks Ammo Stevenson
ShaWill Bogdanovic
Lopez JWill
Howard Shelly
by DJ HeavyDuty on Jan 28, 2012 10:32 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Here's a question:
If the Nets are “all in” on the Dwight Howard thing and they are say five games out of playoffs and the Magic decide to keep Howard do the Nets tank after the trading deadline?
I could just see Deron exhausted by then in carrying the team, there are alot of questions.
It might be a smart move to shut Lopez down or limit his minutes. How long can D-Will carry a team on this grueling schedule?
How will Brooks body hold up as a rookie, he already is injured?
The Nets have no depth, if they don’t add salary in an effort to sign Howard, what is the point?
This team has no chance for a playoff run. If they got lucky enough to make the playoffs it would only be because there is little serious competition for the last two playoff spots and how would the Nets fare against a top two team in East?
The Nets are fighting right now to put them in a position so that if they get Dwight, they will make the playoffs and have a chance to make some noise. If the Magic hold onto Dwight doesn’t make more sense to shift back to all in?
The Rockets didn't pick up Jordan Hill's option...
I think he can be a really productive player…10/10 and 2 blocks
Two Knick haters, check out their comments on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwAexPQzzcg
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
Heh.
I’ve laid it out before, so I won’t subject you guys to it again, but I don’t see a Howard/Lopez front-court working. If this were by some chance to come to fruition (Howard joining the team in free agency), I think that it would behoove the Nets to trade Lopez for a number of reasons: First, the two just don’t feel well together on either side of the court; second, the Nets are in desperate need of a productive small-forward; and third, Lopez’s contract will most likely be a max one — the Nets could better use that cap-space to build a championship contender.
Id love to have the issue of complaining about how ineffective the Lopez + Dwight pairring is
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by eLonepb on Jan 28, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
theres
more evidence in the last 5 years to prove that the pairing would be effective rather then ineffective
by watchoutBLo on Jan 28, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Such as...
(The Bynum/Gasol comparison is a bad one.)
Hard to find an exact comparison because you can distinguish any two NBA players. No one really has Lopez’s post game, Dwight’s athleticism or defensive presence.
We can say Dirk + Tyson, but Dirk has better range (and is one of the best offensive players of all time), then again, Dwight does a lot that Tyson doesn’t do.
We can say Pau/Bynum, but you say it’s a “bad comparison”.
If there is no good comparison to Lopez/D12, why should we expect it to NOT work?
Scola/Dalembert? That works pretty well.
Maybe Aldridge/Camby?
Boozer/Noah?
Randolph/Gasol?
It’s all good offensive post guys playing with defensive minded centers. No comparison is perfect, but where is the evidence against it?
I would like a response to this.
well
tyson and dirk
bynum and gasol
garnett and perkins
by watchoutBLo on Jan 28, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Nope.
A young Duncan was significantly more athletic than Lopez. Not to mention — meaning: I have to mention it — that he was in a different stratosphere in terms of ball IQ and skill.
its not like Brook is horrible on defense
nothing compared to Duncan tho
yeah if it doesnt "work"
Hey David Kahn, Brook Lopez and 2013 protected first rounder for Kevin Love? C’mon you know he leaving anyway
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Use em and throw em away, see a pro a day is essential. If you want a piece of the rock, trick, go to Prudential
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 28, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
-why don’t they “feel well” together on either side of the court? Because they are both centers?
-do you not think there is a productive SF out there we can get for less? i was hoping we would bring back Damion considering all we need is a hustle/rebound/defense guy
-it would be interesting if Lopez got the max when Kevin Love took his deal
imagine
lopez with D12….
One is a a “stretch center” that shoots > 80% from FT and one is a BEAST and SUPERMAN!
That's the thing...
Lopez really isn’t a stretch center.
Well the foundation to develop into one is there
He can achieve low 40+% shooting from 16-23 feet with some work, and that’s Duncan/David Lee/Ilgauskas level shooting from there already
The first bullet-point warrants about a four-paragraph response; maybe I’ll write it again when I’m not hungover. I’ve written it before, but it’s too far back for me to recollect it.
I think the Nets should bring back James as well, but he’s not a starter. Andre Iguodala would be the perfect-fit, but the Nets might be hesitant to trade within the division. Another interesting trade could be Lopez for Batum, Wallace and pick(s).
I think he’ll get a max deal. Remember: The Wolves didn’t let Love get to RFA. If he had, he would have been given a max deal.
Are we talking about if Dwight comes as a free agent? If so, we have to think about acquiring guys who work around Dwight and Deron. We could easily have one of the best defensive teams in the league, but we have to be able to shoot also.
I would love AI. And if we had Dwight, it would be great to have Batum/Wallace, but there are a number of serviceable SFs out there we can get, especially by trading Lopez.
The max deal thing is interesting. I’m not sure what would happen there.
Unless Lopez comes back and looks terrible (or, God forbid, re-injures himself) then he’ll surely get a max-deal.
I’d like to hear who some of these “serviceable SF’s” are. The issue is: many of them don’t warrant Lopez being traded for them straight-up. The Nets would have to get back a package (which could actually be better for the Nets).
Between the restricted and unrestricted guys, assuming we have Dwight Howard mind you, I think a lot of guys can make a difference.
Some unrestricted/restricted FAs: Crash, Batum, Chase Bud, Sam Young, Matt Barnes, Nocioni, Brandon Rush, TWill, Damion, Xavier Henry, Beasley…and there a ton of areas on teams with a glut at the position.
I would be fine with the Nets getting back a package. We definitely need depth on this team, and I would be happy to trade him for a serviceable SF and picks.
So best case scenario
Dwight joins in free agency. We turn around and trade Lopez to Atlanta. They get the center they have been looking for. Move Horford back to PF. Atlanta is not very far from Disney World. And then we win.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Jan 28, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
TBH i dont want to rush lopez
see what happened to DJ…i am scared if he comes back and gets injured again, magic wont take him….
by devinharris34 on Jan 28, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder if
we give up both Lopez and Swag, if BK will give Orlando our draft pick as well.
we cannot buy draft picks anymore according to the new CBA and the restriction of the $3M changed from per transaction to per year.
No more buying picks.. I thought u can do it once a yr
by shaolinbees on Jan 28, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
if we use our 3M
on the D12 trade, like a tip to Orlando for trading us D12, we cannot buy picks :(.
Previous years it was $3M per transaction, but under new CBA rules it is once a year
It really isnt that hard to move 2 of Farmar, Morrow, Petro & Williams
This isn’t tricky in my opinion. Obviously we want to keep Morrow because he is actually on a good contract.
Farmar is an above average back up point guard, again not on a big long term contract.
Petro and Williams would be hard to move and would need to be traded with picks/cash to get off the roster. I could see Billy King using the stretch provision on Shawne William’s contract to create cap.
Then its about moving Farmar which I cant see being a big problem. I think you’ll find us moving Lopez at the deadline if Howard is certain to be staying at the Magic past the deadline to create more breathing room and to bring in a better fitting player at the PF or SF to play with Williams and Howard.
I’d love the Nets to work a 3/4 team trade (again only if Howard is heading to free agency) for Rudy Gay.
But if we were to just stand pat, we will find a trade partner for Farmar in my eyes no problem. We will want to keep Morrow so its up to us to get rid of Petro or Williams (but remember the stretch provision in the new CBA).
PS Surely if Howard was heading to free agency, pre deadline we could trade Petro, Miami 2nd rounder plus $3million (would basically cover Petro’s last year) to get rid of him as well because we wouldn’t be using that $3million for Howard this season
by N.Ireland Nets Fan on Jan 28, 2012 10:46 AM EST reply actions
have you guys
read the comments under that story?
knick fan ranting we will always be in the shadow, and other fans talking about knicks havent won anything, and cant even stay .500
I'll say it again:
Everybody is panicking right now, but the Knicks will be fine. They’ll be a good playoff team.
I’m not too sure about that. Their schedule has been very easy so far, and the amount of games they are playing every night is not good for Amare. He struggled last year with his back etc. a lot of wear and tear isn’t going to help him.
However, if Baron plays well (and I think he would) I think they are a different team. Moreover, if they could trade for Jose Calderon (too lazy to look at salaries but I know he makes a ton of money) I think it would transform their team.
I don’t see why they would be a good playoff team. They don’t look good at all. Maybe a playoff team, maybe.
Chicago, Miami, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Indiana all seem like locks to make the playoffs…maybe some would disagree about Boston, but I think it would be tough for them not to make the playoffs.
Then there are two spots between Milwaukee/NY/NJ/Cleveland/Orlando.
I didn’t put Orlando in the first part because of the Dwight Howard nonsense, and if they lose him they could free fall, but it seems likely that whatever team Howard is on (Nets, Orlando) that team will likely make the playoffs.
So, Chicago, Miami, Indiana, Philadelphia, Boston, Atlanta, (NJ/ORL), and one more team. NY is most likely going to finish with a better record than Milwaukee, who just lost Bogut, and I’m not sure about Cleveland…
There could be the crazy/awesome/unlikely scenario that the team Howard is on makes the playoffs, and the other team (either through no trade, like the Nets as is, or through trade, Orlando after he leaves) makes the playoffs too, leaving the Knicks out of it.
theyre schedule is really tough coming up
from feb-march is tough
by 1stnamelastname on Jan 28, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
i wouldnt be so quick
to think things will turn around for them…
they have horrible guard play
there two best players are not proven leaders
there schedule has been a joke
they have no one on that team that makes the guy next to him better then the next
by watchoutBLo on Jan 28, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
dope I don't see it
when will they start improving? when the schedule gets easier? Well that is going to be tough because so far they have had the easiest schedule in the league.
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by lemmetakeutodamovies on Jan 28, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
savior brook lopez ?
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Jan 28, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
knicks only problem is the coach
dantoni sucks…he is the worst coach in the league…i remember hisone interview after a game, knicks lost by like 2 something and the other team had like 115 points he said “our defense was good and i dont even care about defense the only thing i care is scoring more points then other team even is its 1 or 2 points” lol wht kind of coach wants their team to win by 1 or 2 points?? lol
by devinharris34 on Jan 28, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
The coach is the last problem in my mind
What can he do when he has those players on him? Amare is barely touching the ball when Melo is on, Melo isn’t nearly playing well enough to keep shooting without a conscience like he is
The Knicks can go ahead and fire D’Antoni, but it’s not gonna change a thing
just watched the game again
was great to see hump and ammo smile after the win they know what its been like being a net
More MarShon Please
So many senarios..
However, all i care about is not receiving Hedo Turkoglu. He would hurt the Nets pretty bad.
"Beware the Ides of March."
He wouldn't be colossally bad
He has a chemistry with Dwight that only he has, since they’ve been playing together for a while. He presents a height advantage with helps with his shooting and playmaking. Only 2 issues with him: defense, and his happiness/ability to play beside a ball dominating point guard like Deron. Though it helps that Deron can play off the ball a lot
How?
He’d be a major upgrade over any SF on this roster.
by Clayton Balch on Jan 28, 2012 11:35 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Just saying
I guess not many NBA fans are educated on what Lopez can do. I mentioned on the Cavs website yesterday that Lopez is a 20 per game scorer and the reply I got was “Brook Lopez is not a 20 point per game scorer. Not at all. He is a nice player. A good piece, that’s it.”
I think it's fine.
Well it's hard for people to really get an idea of what he's capable of for two reasons
1— last game he really played in was in April 2011
2— Nets are barely EVER on national TV since he got drafted
D-WIll + D12 = NETS 2012 Champs (with lots of luck)
by corky_romano4life on Jan 28, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
If we get Dwight thru FA
To be honest, I’d rather have Anderson than Lopez playing next to Dwight. Don’t get me wrong, I love Brook! But Anderson is a better complement at PF for Dwight. That is justified by his play this season. He’s the real stretch 4. Lopez can only extend up to the FT line. Plus, Anderson is an RFA next season. Doubt the Magic would let him go though..
sad...
Looking at Nene’s and Chandlers stats this season (and their careers’ stats)..
And I recall half you guys wanted these smucks?
Where are you guys now? Still feel like Nene/Chandler are worth it?
My Net Dream Scenario
D12, D Will, Brooks, Hump, Bagdanovic, Morrow six man Anthony Davis or Harrison Barnes as rook. We would dominate for years to come.
I like double d's. Deron and Dwight lol.
by TrueNetFan4Life on Jan 28, 2012 11:08 AM EST reply actions
Trade Brook
Get something back for Lopez to add more to the team
I like double d's. Deron and Dwight lol.
by TrueNetFan4Life on Jan 28, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
If we get Dwight in FA
a trio of Deron, Iggy, and Dwight is unstoppable.
i would do that trade yesterday.
by Clayton Balch on Jan 28, 2012 11:57 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Nene was a much better option than Chandler.
Not sure why anyone wanted him. Him and Lopez would have definitely not worked together.
by Clayton Balch on Jan 28, 2012 12:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
the lesser of two
evils defense doesnt give a lot of hope.
Another option/perspective to take, was to not want either of them. But I recall you disagreeing with that scenario.
And in hindsight, it seems to have been the best scenario.
Whoa what?
I was and am all for Dwight or bust. You must have me confused with someone else.
I was always on board with signing no one and waiting on Dwight. Getting Nene to improve the team still wouldve been a solid move.
by Clayton Balch on Jan 28, 2012 6:57 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Nene is averaging 14 and 9 plus 2.3 assists per game
Denver is playing well. Am I missing something>
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Yes
Nene isn’t Denver.
Denver, the entire team is playing well. Its well coached.
Nene is a cog in the anomaly of a team aka Denver-the-sum-of-all-parts-Nuggets.
Nene is averaging similar numbers to Humphries and would have cost twice as much.
He is a fine player though. And valuable to what the Nuggets are doing. Tons of players are good. But settling (and locking your cap space) for good is lame—not when “great” is also an option. But prior, and during, free agency, tons of posters advocated signing Nene in spite of the consequences of doing so. And there were people who were saying that Nene’s stats were suppressed because Carmelo was on the team. While this seems valid, (cause Carmelo DOES this) Nene’s efficiency and stats remain largely the same—on a team that has a fast pace (per somewhat accounts for pace) but your “14 and 9 plus 2.3” doesn’t. Again Nene is a fine player I guess… just not worth it IMO.
I was talking about Chandler not Nene.
I love Nene.
by Clayton Balch on Jan 28, 2012 6:59 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Nene is having a great year.
I dont get what youre trying to say.
by Clayton Balch on Jan 28, 2012 6:59 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
When did I ever say he was worth the contract he got?
Nene is an extremely talented player. You didn’t want talent on this team?
by Clayton Balch on Jan 28, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
We would still need to beat Chicago, Miami, OKC, and whatever LA throws out there every year.
So Dwight/Deron would be awesome, but I don’t see it as an automatic winner.
Agreed
But it would be fun see if we could
I like double d's. Deron and Dwight lol.
by TrueNetFan4Life on Jan 28, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
For everyone doubting the whole Brook Lopez + Dwight Howard potential combo...
two words….
DUNCAN + ROBINSON
D-WIll + D12 = NETS 2012 Champs (with lots of luck)
by corky_romano4life on Jan 28, 2012 11:08 AM EST reply actions
Duncan, maybe people will disagree with me, is one of the best defensive players of all time.
I know that wasn’t a TWO WORD answer, but, that is where the analogy falls apart.
Ok that's fine
But if we were ever lucky enough to have Dwight AND Brook, it would be nice to let them figure out how to play together before we go ship Brook away. I mean Gasol + Bynum works, why can’t Lopez, Howard? I mean give it a shot!
D-WIll + D12 = NETS 2012 Champs (with lots of luck)
by corky_romano4life on Jan 28, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Or even Dirk + Tyson Chandler
Dirk is very limited defensively. Sure he has a little more range than Lopez, but they are very similar athletically.
And where Lopez is less capable then Dirk, Dwight is leaps and bounds better than Tyson.
Bottom line is, fans have no clue—not even coaches would know how well it could work, until they SEE it. So no point in throwing the whole Brook/Dwight tandem under the bus yet. If it doesn’t work, then we make a trade.
Also, teams have to match up against the Nets too— I mean, match ups are always an issue—FOR THE COACH. No GM in the game would ever decide, “well, I can have two of the most dominant big men on my team—-hmm nahhhhh. Not worth even trying.”
Sometimes you get results like Amare/Chandler.
Sometimes you get results like Dirk/Chandler.
It has a lot to do with coaching.
I agree, and if we ever get Dwight, I would immediately move to fire Avery. Actually, Dwight should let the Nets know he will only come IF Avery is fired. Also, I think Lopez’ best skills are in the post, so I do see a little problem, but I would at least try to let it happen, it would be awesome.
if Dwight demanded that
it would just be a mess. Thats not how a player coming into an organization should start off acting. Regardless of what you think about Avery. He is well liked and creates camaraderie. He is also good with working with bigs surprisingly. Regardless, that scenario (you suggested) would never happen.
how would anyone ever know that
there needs to be some kind of signifier to indicate when someone is joking online —
I nominate using the carrot " ^ "
There is no other use for it…
Avery has the Nets on a playoff push without Lopez, Marshon, or Okur (half the time)
And you want him fired like he’s D’antoni
by Anthony Perez on Jan 28, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
A little more is kind of an understatement, Dirk has way way way more range
He shoots 52% from 16-23 feet compared to Brook’s 39%
There's a big difference between Dirk and Lopez
Dirk can hit 3’s, put the ball on the floor, shoot fadeaways, he can make shots even with a hand in his face. Plus he’s much quicker than Brook. Brook is slow.
Brook is not slow
his “moves” are slow. But he isn’t a plodding behemoth like Shaq or someone.
Its like when our away games’ announcers prematurely assess Marshon as a poor athlete and slow. He isn’t. His moves are.
Granted, Lopez actually had poor combine results, but I have also seen Brook run the fast break and beat gaurds down. His speed is not the issue— Defense with those two would not be the issue IMO.
The issue would be on offense, if Lopez can extend a little bit further into “stretch” big territory. Then that opens everything up. But even if he doesn’t there are bigs with similar range playing side by side — see Bynum and Gasol.
bk should look at
martin,jr smith and chandler..
by devinharris34 on Jan 28, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Not even touching JR Smith with a 10 foot pole
And Wilson Chandler can’t be had for a short term deal
BECAUSE HE'S CRAZY!
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
What do you give up for Dwight?
I am having difficulty imagining that the Magic are dumb enough to not trade Howard before the deadline.
So what’s your offer?
As I have mentioned previously, I would do a similar deal the Hornets did for Chris Paul:
Brook Lopez (Gordon), Okur (Kaman), 2012 Nets 1st round pick (T-Wolves pick), and a combo of Morrow + Petro OR Brooks (Aminu)
D-WIll + D12 = NETS 2012 Champs (with lots of luck)
by corky_romano4life on Jan 28, 2012 11:18 AM EST reply actions
Nothing
You sign him as a FA. ORL ownership is too thick headed to trade him. Lets hope it stays that way.
But I'm saying
if they say: “OK let’s deal him!” What do you trade?
D-WIll + D12 = NETS 2012 Champs (with lots of luck)
by corky_romano4life on Jan 28, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Lopez and 2 first rounders
Nothing more. I’m convinced that Dwight wants Nets over everybody else. We have the leverage.
You don’t include Marshon at all.
Dwight has the power of deciding who he gets traded to
All he has to do is use that magical word, “NO.”
If he says NO to an extension no team will trade for him.
Dwight's preference is the Nets but that doesn't mean he wants ONLY the Nets. That doesn't give you leverage
Why should Orlando fear trading him elsewhere when he would sign an extension there? If he were traded to LA, he’s not saying “I’m out of here, I’d never consider an extension”
It's all media driven
I have no sources…. nothing to reference…. this is purely my opinion…. call me a homer all you want….
Dwight wants to play for the Nets and no one else. He may have said LA or BOS but the logical place in the Nets. Why play for an LA team with an aging Kobe who is in his mid 30s or an older Paul Pierce. Those teams have absolutely nothing going for them right now except history. BOS has Rondo too….
The Nets are the best stop for Dwight and i think he knows this. When it comes time for a trade its up to Dwight and i think he will choose Nets over everyone else.
I think it's going to take more than that.
Some contenders might be willing to rent-a-Dwight. And IMO Bynum + picks is more appealing than Lopez + picks. If he goes to L.A, we’re screwed.
Anything outside of Deron
If the Magic are saying “we won’t trade him to you unless Marshon is involved” I’m not gonna let that stop a deal
by muwu on Jan 28, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm basing my logic on Dwight
and what he wants. I am convinced he wants the Nets and nobody else. He wants to play with Deron not an old Kobe.
Well the existence of a list doesn't really support that
Otherwise, the list wouldn’t be a list, it would be a trade demand exclusively to NJ, with no other teams ever mentioned
Take the easy choice lol
Im an opinionated person and i dont let others dictate that. I wont choose the easy choice. Dwight to Nets all day. lol
Can't wait till feb 4th
playing the Knicks at the garden. If we continue to play like we have been the past couple games we could pull out the win.
Beating the Knicks at the garden would be a great accomplishment for the Nets in so many ways.
That's also 6 weeks and 1 day
Since Lopez’ surgery!!!!!! AKA MAYBE HE PLAYS?!?!?!
D-WIll + D12 = NETS 2012 Champs (with lots of luck)
by corky_romano4life on Jan 28, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
i dont want to rush lopez....
dj made that mistake and suffered i would bring lopez when he 100%
by devinharris34 on Jan 28, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
and quickly
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
dwight said he wants to play with morrow..
so with that being said would u trade brooks to get d12 or if u can get rid of morrow even if d12 wants to play with him.
he said he doesnt even remeber that list..
i think he just took some names he never really meant it…..all he wants is to play next to another superstar (deron)
by devinharris34 on Jan 28, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
We need to trade Lopez
I agree with Dopeness on this. “The whole is greater than the sum of its parts”..
Lopez is a better player than most players we would get in a deal for him but if we have Dwight, building our depth would be the smart thing to do.
I like the Wallace+Batum idea. Especially if we can get a guy like Ray Allen in FA. We really need a starting PF cuz Hump wont cut it imo.
I personally prefer my Kev Martin and Scola for Lopez and get a SF thru other means idea but thats just my preference because i dont have full faith in MarShon and Morrow yet and i feel KMart and Scoop are terribly underrated.
Im not feeeling the Smith for Lopez cuz i just dont feel that ATL can give us fair value. Smith is not fair value for Lopez and we have no need for Teague. If they involve a third team i would be more open. However i think that 12 mil could be put to better use.
Marshon VS Iman: Bring the rivalry on my nuiikkkass!!!
I wonder if Philly would bite on Iggy+Young for Lopez?
Marshon VS Iman: Bring the rivalry on my nuiikkkass!!!
No we need Dwight. Iggy isn't going to make Deron stay.
Jersey Strong, Brooklyn Ready
by BrooklynNets8 on Jan 28, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Size wins
not shooting not speed size….
iit’s a big man league guards and wings sell tickets big men win chips…
if you have two legit talented 7 footers you find a way to make them work
avery has lopez on the perimiter half the time anyway
by watchoutBLo on Jan 28, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Why dont you get it?
Lopez cant guard PFs
Lopez is terribly slow and not great defensively as it is. You think its a good idea to match him up with opponent PFs? If were serious about contending then we will at some point meet Bosh in the playoffs.. and Boozer.. and Smith.. maybe Dirk.. Gasol… maybe Griffin?.. Lopez would get eaten alive.
Or maybe you think its wise to take DPOY Dwight Howard out of the position where he is at his best….
The offensive production that Lopez will not make up for our lack of depth at every other position. One or more solid PF, SF, SG for Lopez is much better than Lopez at PF which was never a great idea to begin with.
Marshon VS Iman: Bring the rivalry on my nuiikkkass!!!
...they will have to guard him too
and in a league where Thaddeus Young and Shawne Williams are considered PF’s, i’d be happy to watch all those stretch fours try to guard Lopez in the blocks or out on the perimeter.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Jan 28, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Dwight's got his back.
NetsDaily.com
by NetsDaily on Jan 28, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
And Deron returns to being an elite defensive PG
WE WANT LOPEZ! clap clap clap clap clap
by BrooklynNets on Jan 28, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
you never
trade big for small unless the smaller player is waaaaaayy better.
in Scola we would be a player almost 10 years older than Lopez
and Martin would give us another guard, a position we are set in.
lol that was awesome
i liked how represented the nets with huge logo in his tshirt
by devinharris34 on Jan 28, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, me too.
Jersey Strong, Brooklyn Ready
by BrooklynNets8 on Jan 28, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
I heard Jose Calderon is on the trade block for cap relief.
Can anyone confirm this?
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even if he is
i dont where he would play for us….he certainly wont start for us and he is legit starter
by devinharris34 on Jan 28, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
I dont mean for us.
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by BrooklynNets8 on Jan 28, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
What is the advantage in trading Lopez
for a 3, before we know how/if a Dwight and Lopez combo would work?
Why not see how it works out first. If Dwight and Gortat could play together Dwight and Lopez could. smh…
What did Gortat and Dwight win?
Also consider how much Lopez would get paid… is his production on both ends worth the 14-16 mil he will probably get? Wouldnt that money be better served in multiple players that would make us better. Iggy and Young for example.. Wallace and something else.. Smith and something else….
Keeping Lopez would leave us no flexibility to do anything where as if we sign and trade him we can turn him into depth. Teams like DEN and PHI have proven that there is something to be said for a no star but deep team, while at the same time MIA has proven that uniting stars is a great road to success.
We can find the middle ground by having two stars (Deron and Dwight who are perfect together), plus depth.. sixth man MarShon with a guy like KMart or Ray Allen starting… a solid PF like Scoop.. Gilchrist is he falls to us or trade for Wallace… etc.
We have much flexibility if this scenario were to play out and keeping Lopez for nostalgic reasons would not be a smart move.
Marshon VS Iman: Bring the rivalry on my nuiikkkass!!!
by WR3 on Jan 28, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dwight and Gortat didnt play together much
SVG system is terrible for a team that has size. Its evident by the Playoff loses
Offense PF Brook – Howard Center
Defense PF Howard – Lopez Center
Howard has great lateral movement and canguard smaller PFs
Lopez has PF offensive skills and is used to facing up, driving, and shooting jumpers
by DJ HeavyDuty on Jan 28, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
first of all basketball is a TEAM sport
winning is an indicator of TEAM WORK. So to answer you question about what Gortat and Dwight won—nothing—but the question is flawed because two people aren’t a team.
Also, KEEPING Lopez gives us a special kind of asset. What could that asset be?? Well, considering we could sign Lopez (to a fair yet generous contract) and be over the cap means that we can also trade Lopez for 1.50 to the dollar—literally. Meaning we could take on 150% more money in the form of role player(s). Sure we might eventually pay a steep luxury tax but its hard to have a complete team without doing that (regardless of what the NBA’s new CBA is trying to do); and its hard to be over the cap by just signing other teams’ players in free agency because we dont have their bird-rights.
So getting rid of Lopez in the form of letting him walk would be stupid. But what you are suggesting is true— turing Lopez into depth could be a huge asset. Cause that depth can = any combination of players and their salaries of up to 150% of Lopez’s.
But my previous and original post’s question was, what is the advantage in trading Lopez BEFORE knowing how a Lopez and Dwight combination would work out.
I cant think of a scenario where (if Dwight signs with the Nets as a FA) that trading Lopez before they can play together would be beneficial.
by Nets! on Jan 28, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lopez would take the game winners
At the end of the day Lopez would still be the best offensive player on that team. People here are forgetting what Brook can become when healthy and focused for a team that will actually be relevant for once.
WE WANT LOPEZ! clap clap clap clap clap
by BrooklynNets on Jan 28, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
For those of you with Insider
Tom Haberstroh’s article “What’s wrong with Amare?” pretty much paints the picture that Stoudemire’s time as an elite, and possibly even a good player are over.
I know this is more Knick than Net related, but I just figured it would be good to point out how smart it was NOT to offer him that money.
Furthermore, for those of you who think the Knicks are a lock to make the playoffs, I’m assuming it’s reasoning along the lines of Amare + Carmelo + Tyson can’t miss the playoffs in a weak East…maybe give the article a read.
Why do teams keep underestimating Billups contributions to the roster?
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
By amnestying Billups
they removed the possibility of using the one-time amnesty on Amare and in about a year, they will regret that immeasurably.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Jan 28, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I said the exact same thing to my father yesterday
although it was difficult to get the words out because I was laughing so hard.
WE WANT LOPEZ! clap clap clap clap clap
by BrooklynNets on Jan 28, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Why do the Knicks keep underestimating
Donnie Walsh’s contributions to the roster? Dolan is an idiot.
WE WANT LOPEZ! clap clap clap clap clap
by BrooklynNets on Jan 28, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would like to see Hump & Lopez PLAY with Brooks & D Will
BEFORE we trade for Dwight… I assume we can’t keep Hump if we sign Dwight. The question is.. will the combined points, rebounds, assists and D of Lopez & Hump actually be more than Dwight and who ever replaces Hump?
Hump is currenly our second best player and one of the best SF’s in the league right now.
as in Super Forward? lol..
PF i think.
"You may win with offense, but you will never loose by defending.."
by SportsMinded on Jan 28, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
He aint stupid
“I think we made a very good tactical decision to force (the) Knicks to pay as much as they can,” Prokhorov said. “So it’s very good, it’s very interesting, it’s very competitive.”
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
there no chance in hades we get dwight and lopez who said were even getting dwight
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Jan 28, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
it seems like a pretty plausible idea
orlando may pull a cleveland and keep dwight past the deadline in hopes of going far in the playoffs and convincing him to stay. But if he comes to the nets in FA, we could have lopez and dwight, unless we trade lopez for a SF
by Prash Ramani on Jan 28, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
how is that relevant to Prokhorov?
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
haha its not at all i didn't mean to reply on your comment
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Jan 28, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Good thing.
If the Knicks keep on giving questionable healthy players uninsured 100 million contracts and gutting their rosters just to be on the winning side of trade talks they will turn Knicks fans into Nets one themselves. SMH.
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
by Nets-ness on Jan 28, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
not to mention if you have Time Warner, you cant see the Knicks on MSG
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Jan 28, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
whats yes network going to do when nets move to brooklyn will they still air the games
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Jan 28, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
For the next 20 years I believe
they just renegotiated the contract recently.
WE WANT LOPEZ! clap clap clap clap clap
by BrooklynNets on Jan 28, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
A lot of you guys are saying they can get MKG in the draft
Remember, if we keep playing the way we are and somehow sneak into the playoffs or at least almost make the playoffs, we wont be getting MKG. he’s a top 5 pick and as of right now we’ll have a pick in the 9-12 range if the lottery works out normally
if Dwight signs as a free agent
That pick could be used to snag an established SF
by DJ HeavyDuty on Jan 28, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
lets put it this way
not as concerned as I was yesterday afternoon.
That could change again with new tests, but things are not so dire, I’m told.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
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More MarShon Please
losing sucks
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 28, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
The way Nets have been playing lately...
I wouldn’t be upset over a lineup of DWill, Brook, Hump and Marshoon. Add a pick in a strong draft and a free agent signing and we become elite very quickly.
What I’m saying is, considering Billy has lots of room to operate, he can build a winner out of other scenarios since he’s already shown he’s very creative.
Not giving up on Howard though.
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
I would like it
Add Iggy or GWallace and we are good
by DJ HeavyDuty on Jan 28, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
keep what we have and...
let Billy King build through the draft!!!!
NBADraft.net
has us taking Thomas Robinson at number seven…whose NBA is comparison is…Kris Humphries.
I think it's fine.
I don't think he will transition well to the NBA
by dwill8brooklynbound on Jan 28, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
1 I think that is meant to be a weird site.
Two its is 3000% too early for even the top picks to be slightly certain means 0 right now. But I do trust Billy to do some damage in this draft esp with a high pick. I mean he got a guy like MarShon at 25. And the whole Philly team is built around smart latish picks made by Billy.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
How can you possibly think Lopez and D12 would not work together?
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It’s less that they “won’t work together” and more that it won’t be a great fit. If you’re paying both a max-salary, it would seem that you would want the two to fit well together.
Ok then
how would they not be a great fit? Makes no sense. Dwight the inside defense phenom, crashes the boards, gets the dunks. Lopez can post up, shoot with range (and makes them), good FT shooter, doesn’t get in foul trouble so if Dwight is out Lopez can play center.
What doesn’t make it a good fit?
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I'm going to do a fanpost about this in the near future; so I'll keep it relatively short.
You can’t have both Howard and Lopez posting up — they’ll clog up the blocks — so you have to have one operating out of the high-post (similar to what the Lakers do with Gasol & Bynum). If you put Howard in the high-post, you essentially make him an average player; as a result, it would have to be Lopez. To be an effective high-post player, you have to be a good passer (Lopez is decent) and you should have a high IQ (Lopez does not). The Nets could play Lopez at the high-post, but they would be significantly limiting what he is as a player (relative to what he would be if he could operate down-low).
You also need one of the two to be a great pick-n-roll player. Now, one could argue that with Deron Williams running the point, their ability to be effective pick-n-roll players would dramatically improve. It is conceivable — as Lopez was better with Williams than Harris (67% success rate, rather than 52%) — but, from what we’ve seen, neither of the two is a great pick-n-roll player.
I don’t think I need to lay out the problems that would reside on the defensive-end.
*Note: This is a very short (perhaps too short) analysis. My point could be better understood with a more expansive breakdown.
Where has Lopez shown low IQ? (exclude shoe incident)
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only beef with lopez is passing the ball out of double teams
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Jan 28, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
And he had Outlaw in the corner too!
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Look forward to that fan post cuz im interested in this
Beware thou.. whoever runs this blog likes to delete fan posts that he disagrees with. Apparently trading Lopez for role players in the off season is unrealistic.
Marshon VS Iman: Bring the rivalry on my nuiikkkass!!!
lol
It wasn’t the Lopez for Scola/Martin part that made me delete the FanPost, even though those two will make $22 million combined next season.
It was the “Oh yeah, trade for Gerald Wallace or Andre Iguodala too” part that clinched it. Exactly how were you planning on trading for one of those guys?
NetsDaily.com
I didnt mean get all of them
I was speaking of options… and the flexibility to mold the team in whatever way seems best. Trade Lopez to ONE team that offers the best return. Not trade him to HOU then trade for Iggy and Wallace too… I should have been more clear.
As for Kev Martin and Scoop i thought Kev was a FA this coming year..
Whatever.. whats done is done.
Marshon VS Iman: Bring the rivalry on my nuiikkkass!!!
i have to agree
Also lopez likes to play outside in anyhow. He’s money on the 15-18 fter all day. Howard can get lobs and put backs all game long
by iambryan on Jan 28, 2012 1:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think it would work
Lopez plays more like a power forward, and they’ve been trying to turn him into a dominant big man which I don’t think has ever really worked. Lopez is a finesse player, he could easily play along-side Howard, and do very well- or come off the bench for Howard. Either way it’s win-win to me.
At this point I’d take either one and the Nets could be in the middle of the playoff pack right now.
Dwight is MAD!
"Looked like guys didn’t want to play," he said. "I told them at halftime, if you don’t want to play, just stay in the lockerroom. It doesn’t make sense for a teams we should beat to just demolish us.
"You bring everything down," Howard said, referring to a player who isn’t playing with heart and soul.
"It hurts me to get out there and play your hardest. I expect everybody to play the same. I’m not calling anybody out by no means because we all have to get better … but if you don’t want to be out there, don’t dress up.
"If you don’t want to play, stay home. People work too hard. I want to win a championship. I work too hard every night for anybody to not want to go out there and play hard. … None of the — whatever, trade stuff — none of that stuff matters. Play basketball. That’s why we all get paid to do this, because we love the game and it’s basketball, so why not give it your all."
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Went on to say
"The team we played tonight, they’ve been playing hard all season. They just haven’t won. And then they played hard tonight and they killed us. They killed us because they just played hard and they wanted it. Everybody on that team wanted to win tonight. That’s the only thing that matters," he said.
"We are winning. You can’t just go out every night and expect a team to just fold because you’re winning, because you’re having a good record."
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KOBE BRYANT IS/WAS/WILL ALWAYS BE BETTER A BETTER BASLETBALL PLAYER THAN STEPHEN GRAHAM.
Adam Morrison got his team multiple championships barely trying, if that's not a great player...I don't know who is.
by YoungMoney24 on Jan 28, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Uh-oh...
Looks like Dwight just added New Orleans to his list!
by Alex Witkowski on Jan 28, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
All this lottery talk, we are 1 game behind the 8th spot with no Lopez
I see us makin the playoffs and getting a pick in the mid teens
burgandie...
I really want to believe, but tell me how are we better than one of the teams below (no particular order)!!
1. Miami
2. Chicago
3. Atlanta
4. Boston
5. Indiana
6. Orlando
7. Philly
8. Nix
Unless we beat out on the Nix or ORL collapses (and we get D12 by deadline). Difficult !!!
With the condensed schedule upsets are happening often
We also have a very friendly after trade deadline schedule and it will only get tougher for the Knicks, sixers and the dwightmare in Orlando
burgandie...
by Jeffrey Sutton on Jan 28, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Dream scenario would be to bump Nix out of 8th ....even we would get swept by Miami in the 1st.
That would be better than anything I can remember in a while ….Let’s believe !
The Knicks are only getting worse.
I think we have a good chance at the eighth seed. Boston has to prove that they can stay with this schedule.
WE WANT LOPEZ! clap clap clap clap clap
by BrooklynNets on Jan 28, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Not really.
He’s possibly even more of a selfish player than Melo. I said from the moment I heard about the Billups/Chandler swap that the Knicks were doomed. Don’t like Melo’s ‘tude and dislike A’mare’s overall game. Chandler only works on a balanced team. Whole thing has been constructed without much forethought.
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by BrooklynNets on Jan 28, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yea i hear that
also Diantoni is the wrong guy too.. Amare was a good player though. His body is just wearing down and without his athleticism he really isn’t worth that type of money. We all called it.. just amazing that it seems to be happening so soon—or is his decline the Melo effect?
And yea I agree, but Melo is talented, just selfish and has a terrible attitude—which is often not worth it.
Will be interesting to see how BD does with them. It could work out better— I mean, could it get worse? I dislike the Knicks but I atleast was excited about a growing rivalry. What if the Nets resemble the 2002 Nets while the Knicks continue to get demolished—Nets move to Brooklyn would turn out to be HUGE. No chance Knicks fans would sit through their team rebuilding for another 5-10 years…
I think they need to sell Carmelo while he still has value. Get some picks and a young point guard… heck even do Calderon and Derozen for Melo.. lol
Nets are ahead of Knicks in Hollinger's rankings
in fact they’re right behind the Magic.
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by BrooklynNets on Jan 28, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
the pretenders
will show themselves sooner or later:
Philly Knicks and celtics could easily fall apart
I believe, with Lopez back, we are better than 3, 7 and 8.
You can see the team is playing better together, more chemistry, familiarity. They’re getting some injure players back and now have had a few practices. They had one of the most , if not the most hardest shedule to start with, in term of who they played and the frequency of games.
We’re seeing a different team than what we saw 12 games ago. Coaches are doing a better job and figuring out rotations and calling better plays because of what the players have been showing them.
Nets will make the playoffs I think
I thought Nets could win half their games this year. Now they are starting to gel and have belief. They don’t even need to be a .500 team to make the playoffs this year.
I actually have loved watching Nets games again, it’s been so long and I’m ecstatic at the team play and comradery I’m seeing again. This team will make other good players want to be here by the end of this season- and that’s a great thing.
What I've been saying...
There is still every reason to try and get Dwight and Lopez together. If Lopez just isn’t the same, then he’s a great trade piece. But I don’t see why we shouldn’t try for it.
Don't mean to be annoying, but D12 is not going to FA as a Magic.
The only way that happens is if he gets traded as a rental, and decides to come to Brooklyn via FA.
Don’t see it happening !!!
I could see Memphis going for a rental
just to make a playoff run with a dominant bigman.
They would have to give up Zbo or Gasol though… so maybe not..
Trying to think of any playoff teams that would consider giving up significant talent to only get Dwight as a rental…
Not sure why the Magic would want those contracts?
Lopez is better than Gasol and might come cheaper. Nets could give up more picks.
Griz could also give up OJ Mayo although I’m not sure what he’s worth.
WE WANT LOPEZ! clap clap clap clap clap
by BrooklynNets on Jan 28, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Well
The way the Magic been playing lately D12 just might want out again but trade deadline lol
I like double d's. Deron and Dwight lol.
by TrueNetFan4Life on Jan 28, 2012 1:53 PM EST reply actions
Howard
will be traded once they realize they wont makie ti out of the first round again
I just want Nets to win
Dont care whether we have D12 or Dwill. As long as we compete every night n make playoffs it more than enough for nets fan. It’s frustrating to just worrying about these trades every year.
I m fine with a team of b Lopez, brooks, 2012 picks hopefully 2, hump , morrow n some decent players.
This whole superstar crazyness is absurd.
Dwill, Dwight, Blo, Brooks you say........
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jan 28, 2012 7:02 PM EST reply actions
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