Game 18 - Nets @ Bulls - Monday, January 23, 8:00
by Net Income on Jan 23, 2012 2:36 AM EST
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PrintThe Nets go into Chicago on somewhat of a high. They've won two of the last three, three of the last six, and four of the last 10. Considering how the season started, that's not bad. And the Bulls are not in great shape. Derrick Rose has missed the past four games with a turf toe injury. He'll once again be a game time decision Monday ... although he claims he'll play.
ESPN Chicago's Nick Friedell writes it doesn't end there. Joakim Noah missed Saturday's game because of an ankle injury he suffered in Friday's win over the Cavaliers, but Noah's optimistic about returning vs. the Nets. Luol Deng underwent an MRI on his left wrist Sunday and will be re-evaluated by team physicians on Monday. It's unlikely he can play. Taj Gibson is a different story. He spent Saturday night in a walking boot after injuring his ankle Friday.
For the Nets, Avery Johnson says he expects to reach deeper into the roster to give rotational players some rest in the third night of a back-to-back-to-back. Shawne Williams can be expected to play around the same he played on Sunday, 16 minutes. With DeShawn Stevenson looking like he's in pain, that might become a necessity. Sundiata Gaines should see more action as well.
- New Jersey Nets Game Notes - New Jersey Nets
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- Getting Inside - New Jersey Nets - Sports Xchange
- Getting Inside - Chicago Bulls - Sports Xchange
- Up next: Nets at Bulls - The Record
- Nets face Chicago Bulls in their third game in three days - Colin Stephenson - Star-Ledger
- Chicago Bulls' Derrick Rose game-time call vs. New Jersey Nets - Nick Friedell - ESPN Chicago
- Chcago Bulls' Luol Deng undergoes MRI on injured left wrist - Nick Friedell - ESPN Chicago
- New Jersey Nets at Chicago Bulls preview - K.C. Johnson - Chicago Tribune
- Deng likely out Monday vs. Nets - Matt Moore - CBS Sports
- Rip Hamilton simplifying game for Bulls - Shams Charania - Chicago Now
- Taj out, Deng, Noah, Rose gametime decisions - Doug Thonus - Chicago Now
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we got this
ITS A VVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEEEEE
by Keysta101 on Jan 23, 2012 12:40 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
we gonna hand this faaaa showwwww
FRANKS AND BEANS FRANKS AND BEANS
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Jan 23, 2012 12:43 AM EST reply actions
If Rose plays we lose. Simple logic.
by power_njerz on Jan 23, 2012 12:48 AM EST via mobile reply actions
damn bro......
No Faith
!!NetsNation!!
by njNets2 on Jan 23, 2012 12:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We can totally win this game!
As long as Rose, Noah, Deng and Gibson are out.
D-WIll + D12 = NETS 2012 Champs (with lots of luck)
by corky_romano4life on Jan 23, 2012 12:59 AM EST reply actions
No... Washington beat.okc. Enough said.
I am going to turn this team around 360 Degrees- Jason Kidd
by njnets on Jan 23, 2012 1:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Let's be realistic guys, we have no shot.
Expect the worst, be surprised if they win. That’s how I look at it when we play a title contender.
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If their 2 Comanders of Defense Deng and Noah are out we definitely have a shot
Chicago’s great interior defense is all about Deng and Noah.
2012 Lineup: D-Will - Brooks - AK47 - Lopez - D12... Book it!
If D-Will shows up, we have a chance.
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any given day...
anything can happen. they are heavy favorites but nothing is impossible
Deng + Gibson out helps a lot
because SF is a problem for us.
Deron will hopefully give Rose a run for his $
Noah brings 0 offense just good defense
We do have a shot with no Deng + GIbson those two are dangerous
D-WIll + D12 = NETS 2012 Champs (with lots of luck)
by corky_romano4life on Jan 23, 2012 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
Harris did take it to Rose last year and the Nets beat them in Prudential
If DWill steps up, it could happen.
No Deng is for sure? If so we should start Brooks at the 3 and Morrow at 2.
2012 Lineup: D-Will - Brooks - AK47 - Lopez - D12... Book it!
I would rather just keep as consistant
A lineup as we can not good to keep changing things at timrd, seems as tho starting unit is starting to develop chemistry.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
by Atronic on Jan 23, 2012 1:45 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
any team can beat any team on any given day
so I won’t throw an L up yet. But I won’t be expecting a Dubya
FRANKS AND BEANS FRANKS AND BEANS
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Jan 23, 2012 2:00 AM EST reply actions
We played a game last night?
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Just submitted my first article
Won’t get published til Tuesday. I’m really nervous about it. ugh.
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Comparing Deron to Kidd.
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Read his sig
He’s a Nets beat writer!
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Dwill, Dwight and MKG
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 23, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Post it here, we'll proof read it for you
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Dwill, Dwight and MKG
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 23, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Did you enough about body language and sight lines ?
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Body language yes, but not about the sight lines
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Do get access to the players like other beat writers?
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Dwill, Dwight and MKG
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 23, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
As of right now...
not yet. I emailed the head of PR about getting access. I haven’t gotten a reply, but most likely I can get into press conferences and hopefully practices.
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note an L
its the third game ouf our back-to-back-to-back and chicago had a day off
excuse my bad english please
We are 4-6 recently, because we have inserted MarShon into the starting lineup.
Now wait until Brook is back.
We can go 6-4 in 10.
Disagree, we are 4-6 because the schedule got much easier.
by mytoemytoe on Jan 23, 2012 9:03 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
And they've had time to rest and practice
I feel like most games after they’ve practiced, they’ve played much better.
For the Deron Haters
I just watched the post game interviews from last nights game.
Deron was asked how he felt about the Rock after winning. He said he wasn’t trying to make excuses. He’s shooting bad at home and away so there are no excuses. He was just being honest when asked if he liked the Rock.
So at least he manned up about his poor shooting.
Who cares?
We are not haters, dude is an allstar and have been playing like trash. We have a lot to lose and his play has lowered his value and has not been encouraging to Dwight. New York/Brooklyn don’t take that mess, he better grow some thicker skin if he’s there for BK, media will destroy him, he has it easy in Jersey. I don’t know if they report net news in jersey but they don’t here.
I hope the Nets grasp the market their moving into, it would be foolish to go into it unprepared.
by Zartan on Jan 23, 2012 8:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He hasn’t bee playing “like trash” but he’s been giving a lazy half hearted effort both on the court and on the mic.
Lazy passes, lazy excuses, it goes on and on. I agree with everything else you say- he’s only hurting his own value, further damaging the Nets brand by saying “the arena sucks, the team sucks, get me help.”
Let’s just hope these things won’t change Deight Howard’s mind although they shouldn’t since D12 also seems pretty immature. Yay!
by mytoemytoe on Jan 23, 2012 8:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It’s just ridiculous to say he has been giving a lazy or half-hearted effort.
Look at his season by season averages…the only thing he isn’t doing well is shooting, it happens. He is actually getting to the line more than almost any other season, his rebound rate and steal rate is right where it usually is.
What is down is his assist # (I wonder why), his shooting %, and PPG. That makes perfect sense considering the players he is playing with, with barely any practice time…offensive numbers across the entire league are down…
Again, sorry Deron speaks his mind, but I have NO idea why anyone thinks he is being lazy. Also, the arena does suck, the team does suck, and he wants help. He is here for Brooklyn, not NJ.
I think he is lazy because he is averaging a turnover per game more than he has throughout his career. You can say that those turnovers are coming because his teammates suck but I’ve been watching the games- the turnovers are coming because D-Will is making lazy passes where he slings the ball across the court.
I agree he needs help, I agree the arena sucks, but a good leader doesn’t use any of these things as excuses for why he isn’t playing well.
and he has the worst roster he has ever played with
if you think that his turnovers are not, in part, the result of some bad play and mental errors by his teammates (and the NINE different starting lineups in 17 games) you need to rethink how the game works.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
The turnovers come out of frustration that his teammates can’t get better looks so he makes a lazy pass. I understand that. But I’m allowed to be frustrated that he hasn’t been a better leader for this team.
well, considering his teammates say he's a great leader
and you say he isn’t, I will go with his teammates.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Jan 23, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
At least twice per game, deron gets his pocket picked
And rarely hustles to try to prevent a fast break score
He hasn't been playing like "trash"
the team is 3-3 and he is averaging nearly 20 and 10.
Even over the last 10, when the Nets have been 4-6, he is averaging 18.7 and 9.7, shooting 36.2 from deep. Those are trash numbers? He has shot poorly, at 37.5%, over those 10. As for his turnovers, which people here seem to love to harp on, why not take a look at the top 10 in the NBA.
Williams is followed by John Wall, Rajon Rondon, LeBron James, Monta Ellis, Kevin Durant, and Kobe Bryant. Bad company.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Jan 23, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Eh.
There’s a lot of flawed analysis in your post, but it’s not worth debating.
Hopefully, Deron improves as the season goes on; because right now, his play is nowhere near the elite level.
there is NO analysis in my post
it is all factual, all numbers. There is NO analysis…other than the headline which is close to being factual.
It’s a shame that people get so wound up in their own arguments that when things change and they have, they can’t review their thinking.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Jan 23, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sigh.
You lead with a claim — which is not close to being factual — “He hasn’t been playing like trash.” What followed was a presentation of raw statistics which do not effectively assess Williams’ production. There is no explicit analysis, but there is certainly an implication.
So far this season, Deron Williams is getting outplayed by his counterpart (both when he was playing SG and PG): http://www.82games.com/1112/11NJN1.HTM If we choose not to do a comparative analysis and just look strictly at his numbers, we’ll find that he’s playing at a slightly below average level (relative to the other point-guards in the league).
It’s not a matter of me being “wound up in my own argument,” but rather an objective assessment of the situation. Nothing has changed. Deron Williams has had some good games and he’s had some bad games. We don’t weigh the good ones more than the bad ones; we put everything together and take away what we can from it. Granted: The sample size is a bit too small — and I’ve admitted that — but to this point, Deron Williams is playing at a below average level. Is that partly as a result of the fact that he plays for a putrid team? I would hope so. It’s a variable that must be considered, but the fact still remains.
I'm an idiot.
Technically, the second sentence of the second paragraph is, in some sense, a comparative analysis.
Stats are misleading
If you base off QB rating, Alex Smith had a better game than Eli last night…
by Anthony Perez on Jan 23, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
And based off numbers
Kris Humphries is one of the best PF’s in the game. Double double average. But there’s no denying that he’s limited defensively (just awful on help D) and extremely limited offensively.
by Anthony Perez on Jan 23, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
As mytoe said, QB rating is not an effective statistical measure. Stats are not misleading — flawed statistical measures are misleading.
I’m not sure what “numbers” show that Kris Humphries is one of the best PF’s in the game. If you don’t mind me asking, where are you getting that from?
Sure
Among all forwards, he’s 8th in double doubles, 4th in rebounds, and 27th in scoring (not too bad considering that’s including SF’s). He’s also 11th in FG %
by Anthony Perez on Jan 23, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks.
Once again, those statistics aren’t sufficient measures of performance; and don’t tell the whole story in terms of evaluating production.
That's what I was saying
His stats say he’s a top-tier F, when we know he isn’t.
by Anthony Perez on Jan 23, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
he is shooting 37% from the floor and leading the league in turnovers while be the star for the team with the 3rd most losses in the NBA
Those are facts. Clearly he is playing like trash.
by GrandKenyon6 on Jan 23, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
I think people are just holding him to a higher standard.
For a superstar, he’s playing like trash.
For an all-star, he’s playing poorly.
For a third option, he’s playing okay.
For a role player, he’s playing great.
For a scrub, he’s playing phenomenal.
Bad karma!!
Every time I read a garuntee win in this blog, we have lost.
by Zartan on Jan 23, 2012 7:55 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Their about to break that jinx lol
This is a must win. If we can win 2 in a row that will take a lot of pressure off the players. They haven’t been playing with much confidence in my opinion. Wins build confidence and i think a win today will propel us in the right direction. Not saying we go on a 10 game win streak but with some confidence after a win tonight we could see some more wins come. When Brook comes back we will definitely start winning more games.
This is not the same old Nets. We do have a decent team… with Lopez on the court. I think we are definitely a .500 team.
The Nets need D-Will to win.
double entendre.
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I think somehow - - - -- - we win.
I think MarShon has a good game
When can i get my Dwight Howard Brooklyn Nets Jersey?
by AmbassadorAmeer on Jan 23, 2012 8:19 AM EST reply actions
Did anybody notice ...
the Nets wins one game each week. It’s like a quota or something : )
We did have some swag(not MarShon) last night
It’s been missing, all season. If we take it to Chicago then maybe we win.
by Zartan on Jan 23, 2012 8:28 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Let rose get his...
Just don’t let anyone else blow up. Put the Hump-a-Maniac on boomer, and don’t give Korver wide open looks. This game should stay competitive
korver will tear us up if we give him wide open 3s
and boozer will kill us in the post if hump doesn’t contain him…hopefully rose doesn’t win this game by himself
ITS A VVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEEEEE
Exactly!!! Same thing you have to do against Dwight Howard when you play the Magic.
by mytoemytoe on Jan 23, 2012 8:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
As long as the Nets can keep Derrick Rose out of the end zone, I think they’ll be able to win the World Series.
by mytoemytoe on Jan 23, 2012 8:33 AM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
It's not that simple
They’ve gotta stay out of the penalty box.
by brother_rat on Jan 23, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and make our FGs
ITS A VVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEEEEE
perfect game
ITS A VVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEEEEE
A hole in one!
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Dwill, Dwight and MKG
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 23, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
We are no longer Top 5 worst teams in the NBA
We are now the 6th worst team in the NBA. It’s all about baby steps people.
2 games out, but only 1 win back
We have 5 wins, 7+8 (and 9 + 10) seeds have 6 wins.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 23, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
I have some faith in this line-up
offense hasn’t been as efficient as it could be, but they have really developed good chemistry on defense
tonights strategy
step on Rose’s Toe repeatedly
Step on my toe
Didn’t he play for the Devils?
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Dwill, Dwight and MKG
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 23, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
that's better than any Defensive schemes Avery could implement
DWill oop to D12
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I would love to se more plays ran for Marshon, and not just giving him the ball in iso situations...
The kid is showing he has a great scoring touch. It would be great if Avery utilized that by running more specific plays to get him open.
did that a lot last night
when the matchups demanded it.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
lol you know its true
You play to win the game!
by stevieboyNETS on Jan 23, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
i did hear that rose might be playing today
hopefully they’ll say it’s only the Net’s and not play Rose. We may have a shot at winning.
We’ve been plagued this season (it almost feels like EVERY season we are plagued with injuries doesn’t it?) with injuries and if we can win one against a contender because they have injuries as well I say let’s do it.
stevieboy Nets.. you are a famous poster
I heard you are breaking news all the time….I want to follow you on twitter.. how can I find you??? GO NETS
by pip2332Nets on Jan 23, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
There is a direct correlation b/t
Deron’s effort on Defense And
How he and the team play offensively.
For the 1st 2.5 or so quarters Deron clearly played w/ a “hop” I’m his step (czar’s words) – this “was” initiated on defense n translated into Offense.
Aka – his effort was full and not the inconsistent effort we’ve seen most of the season.
Case in point…he stopped playing D late in the game and poof:
Easy buckets 4 them. He turns back into King of turnovers and prince of chuck and the lead evaporates.
He’s gonna really need 2 bring it tonight against Rose. C’mon D, bring the D.
by Jron on Jan 23, 2012 10:04 AM EST via mobile reply actions
no doubt it was all his fault that they came back.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Attitude is a reflection of leadership...
Players will bust their a$$ on the defensive end of the floor, if they see their leader (and best player on the team) doing it…
Can't wait for this game
But here’s a quick plug for all my Giants brethren.
Man do we have one tough SOB for a QB
by Anthony Perez on Jan 23, 2012 10:05 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Derong could learn something about leadership and winning from Eli
DWill oop to D12
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couldnt we all?
also helps to have a great roster, one stitched together well.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Fire Coughlin! was something I heard not that long ago.
the scout who found Victor Cruz is the Giants hero to me.
finding a kid, a local kid, who broke every team pass receiving record his rookie year!
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Not his rookie year
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It's his "rookie year"
He was on IR last season.
If Deron had teammates like Eli's yes.
At this point, DWill is playing with the NBA equivalent of the Little Giants. Marshon is the “Icebox”, and the rest of the team sucks.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Jan 23, 2012 10:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
A number of the Nets would be fine
if playing with great players. The starting backcourt for the Magic’s Finals team three years ago was Rafer Alston and Courtney Lee. Didnt matter much with Howard being Howard and Turkoglu playing out of his mind as a point forward.
Same with DeShawn Stevenson, who started three games in the Finals as I recall. Fine as a complementary piece to Dirk, etc. but a key player, nope. Farmar played solid minutes in THREE Finals with Kobe and Pau. Hump could do the same as a big playing high in a rotation, but all three have real deficiencies. Morrow is a specialist, not a starter.
The rest, beyond D-Will, Lopez and MarShon: 10th players or worse on a contender: Shelden Williams, seven teams in five years? Damion James…injury prone? Larry Owens…who? Jordan Williams? Sundiata Gaines? JOHAN PETRO??
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Jan 23, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Dwill, Dwight and MKG
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 23, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
I’m a Jets fan but not one of those football fans that won’t root for the other NY team when my team is out.
Eli Manning is definitely the toughest SOB since Stone Cold Steve Austin. He didn’t have much of a running game to speak of but he gutted out a great game against one of the better defenses I’ve ever seen. He probably should have had two interceptions but even with those I would say he played amazing.
Harbaugh is an incredible coach, and to be honest he got robbed in this one by his punt returner.
Nothing but respect for the 9ers
One of the hardest and surest hitting defenses I’ve seen in a LONG time. We barely survived.
Thank God their QB is Alex Smith.
by Anthony Perez on Jan 23, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
No... You better be thanking Goid for the Corner who knocked that touch down out of the hands of the niners at the end of the game...
That was the true play of the game…
they should be thanking Kyle Williams
The Bill Buckner of football.
I HATE the Giants and I DESPISE the Pats.
I’m a Jets fan. I’m not even going to watch the Super Bowl this year.
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
Give Jacquian Williams credit as well
He forced the fumble. Great play.
by ZR on Jan 23, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You know, AP, in some respects I feel like the Giants won the Super Bowl yesterday. I know the NFL is all about match-ups but I have to believe that the 49ers were the best team in the NFL this year after watching yesterday’s display.
That’s not to say that the Giants are going to roll into Indianapolis and stomp the Patriots, whose defense looks much improved from where it was earlier. But I expect there to be tons more offense
I think the Giants match-up very well against the Pats.
VERY well. And they are hot as balls in summertime Florida.
The great debate:
If Eli wins his second ring (both against stupid Bill Belichik), will he and his brother Peyton get closer in the argument of who’s better?
No! Peyton is the greatest QB ever
And all you need to do is look at the Colts this year. NFL is not one of those sports where one guy changes everything… Except for Peyton.
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Agreed
Peyton has proven he’s MVP of the league without even playing a down this season.
Haha true true
But the hardware argument would be won by Eli, whereas as the stats will always be Peyton’s.
I think Colin Cowherd put it best
Peyton is A-Rod. Eli is Jeter. Peyton is clearly the more talented QB, but if there’s 2 on and 2 out in the bottom of the 9th, who do you want at the plate? Jeter or A -Rod?
Jeter has been consistently clutch in big games, as has Eli.
He’s 7-3 lifetime in the playoffs. 5 road playoff wins (most of any QB in NFL history). His home stadium is cold and windy and most of his road wins have been in bad conditions (Green Bay, Philly, even SF yesterday). Most 4th quarter TDs in a single season in NFL history.
by Anthony Perez on Jan 23, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Dont forget Sanchez had 4 playoff road wins in first 2 years...just sayin
The Future is Not Written For Us, But By Us
and Sanchez and Eli's numbers are practically identical
through there first 3 seasons in the league.
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
By the way, to all those Shawne Williams haters out there, I think he plays solid defense and his 3 point shot will come along. I liked the move he made along the baseline yesterday.
I think people have been really unfair to Billy King about the free agent signings he made. None of them are great players but he didn’t pay any of them like great players.
I understand what you are saying about Shawne Williams. But...
It’s kind of hard to judge his performance against a team worse than us. i want to see him bring it tonight…
I agree.
I complained about the Williams signing because I believe that his cap-figure is too small. Based on his career numbers, I feared that his three-point shooting last season was flukey. At this point, the sample size is too small to draw a definitive conclusion; but it certainly looks like it was.
He’s decent, though; he’s a solid defender, has above average BBIQ and has good size for the stretch four.
I’m not much of a cap-ologist, why would a 2.5 million cap hit be too large? Isn’t that as small as it gets?
I believe that the veteran’s minimum is $1 million. The LLE (what the Nets gave Stevenson) is $2.5 million; however, the Nets could have offered Williams any figure above one million because he wasn’t signed with an exception.
I would preferred a one-year $4 million deal, instead of the two-year $6 million deal the Nets gave Williams. The second year is a player-option, but, unless he dramatically improves his play, I’d be very surprised he opted out. Plus: He’s going to need surgery.
If it had to be two-years, I would have been more comfortable with something closer to $2 million. Whatever, though — it is what it is.
He makes $3 million this year
and has a PLAYER option for $3.15 million next year. He will now almost assuredly take it.
The Nets COULD use the stretch exception on him (or Farmar, if he decided to stay) and reduce the cap hit.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
The Nets can't stretch Farmar
He was signed under the previous CBA. Only players signed under the current CBA can be stretched.
That being said, if we can’t move him, Shawne will undoubtedly be stretched, unless we trade for Howard. If we trade for Howard, then we’re operating as an over the cap team anyway.
He's not worth the $$
Vet minimum should’ve been given to Williams given his track record. The Nets cut him before, why give him all those $$ now?
yeah people forget about his decent wingspan and tough defense
he held Henderson and the other Charlotte wings in check when HE was guarding them. hopefully his leg/ankle is better so he can play more 3 because shot or no shot they need him more than ever to bring that fundamental defense
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 23, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
This
I think he would have been a very good signing if there was not an injury present.. but then again maybe that’s why he was cheap.
That’s what irks me. How did we not know about his injuries?
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 23, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
don't think his injuries affected his shooting...
that’s why he was signed, he was supposed to be a Morrow small forward.
The fact he wasn’t able to provide that is disappointing.
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
His injuries haven't affected his shooting?
You can’t be serious. You use your legs to shoot. Both seem to be injured.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 23, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
he can't play the 3...
too slow.
Honestly, he’s just getting the playing time due to those 3 games in 3 nights.
Hope he can get his streak back but he’s done this season if DJames and Stevenson come back to 100%.
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
Hard to say he is too slow if healthy
Both his legs have issues
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 23, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Stop labeling people "haters."
I can’t stand that garbage. It’s a way of saying that someone’s opinion isn’t valid, because they’re just a “hater.”
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Word police!
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Dwill, Dwight and MKG
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 23, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Has to be done
until everyone here understands what respectful discussion means.
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by NetsDaily on Jan 23, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I will have to agree
if you criticize a player for not playing well all of the sudden you are a “hater”
FRANKS AND BEANS FRANKS AND BEANS
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Jan 23, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
With great power comes great responsibility
Better you than me! Just keep doing what you’re doing, we got your back!
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Dwill, Dwight and MKG
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 23, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm…does this make ND a hater hater?
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Dwill, Dwight and MKG
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 23, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Why u hatin on people sayin haters??
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Dang, I was too late, sorry!
Should have read ahead.
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Dwill, Dwight and MKG
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 23, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Are you just saying the word "hater" annoys you
Or are you actually implying people will get warned or banned for using the word?
by SovietBrooklyn on Jan 23, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
really?
that seems to be over the top. It seems more like you are cherry picking your personal pet peeves, rather than actual offensive terms in this case. Can I not use it in it’s verb form as in “stop hating” either?
by SovietBrooklyn on Jan 23, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
this issue is that he will not be 100 per cent this season
and said he will require surgery, perhaps in mid-season.
He cannot play a full game and said he will need to off some games.
No matter what he CAN do, he ISN’T capable of doing it.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Really?
I think he plays solid defense
His defense has been nothing short of horrid. Particularly putrid is his terrible job at boxing out on defensive rebounds. I swear I scream at the television every time he’s in the game and an opposing player puts up a shot.
“BOX THAT MOISO OUT YOU MOISO-ING PIECE OF MOISO!!! AARRRRGHHH”
Also, his offensive game has been non-existent. Might as well play 4v5.
In my mind the biggest issue right now plaguing the Nets offense is pump-fakes.
I know why it’s happening: Avery is emphasizing the “extra pass” and FINALLY, the Nets players seem to be listening. But it’s also resulting in guys like Anthony Morrow and MarShon Brooks hesitating when they get a wide open look from 3.
The better decision making SHOULD come along in time, I hope, and then we’ll see this offense open up a little bit more. Obviously the full scope of the offense won’t be realized until Brook Lopez gets worked back in but there is room for improvement.
so wishlist for tonight
Gibson – Inactive
Noah – Inactive
Lucas III – Inactive
Rose – DNP – Sprained Toe
Deng – DNP – Bruised Wrist
bring on
Asik
Booze
Brewer
Rip
CJ
with a bench of Mike James, Korver, Jimmy Butler, and White Mamba
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 23, 2012 10:44 AM EST reply actions
Marshon Brooks
Nickname “The Steal”
What do you guys think?
Feel free to trash the name, I’m just throwing this out there. Not sure how I feel about it.
i like Swag alot actually but not sure it’ll stick.
I don’t like Starshon only because I hated stephon marbury. dude was not a very good player for the nets. or the knicks.
My vote
“Velvet Ice”
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Jan 23, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Velvet Elvis!
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Dwill, Dwight and MKG
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 23, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
The bulls defense is set up to minimize dribble penetration. Marshon loves that pull-up jumper...
he should be good tonight. I see no individual defender on that team stopping him…
We shall see
Brooks isnt afraid of any defense.
This Kid has NO FEAR. Bring on Bulls Defense.
One this is for sure. Farmar is playing like he was still in Israel. He thinks his stardom there translate over here. He forgets in the US —> You are a PG. Pass the ball to the Kid with the Hottest hand. Stop driving the ball every time you touch the ball.
EVEN DWill, better player then FARMAR, realizes that this kid can score everywhere on the court.
PASS THE F’EN BALL FARMAR!!!!
If Dwill decides to play like the LEADER he should be like in the Bobcat game, there is a possibility we win this one too.
LETS GO NETS!!!!!!
by SIC One on Jan 23, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Too much Farmar hate. I’m upset about the rift between he and Brooks, too, but I understand it because Farmar is a hot-head and Brooks comes off as being very selfish. They’ll figure it out.
Brooks is not selfish. He moves the ball around the perimeter and dishes
He plays within the offense. The only time he gets “selfish” is when he’s given the green light to ISO.
Farmar is selfish, Brooks isn’t.
by Anthony Perez on Jan 23, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
jordan farmar
I think this sums up how I feel about farmar.
The only time I want jordan farmar to dribble around for 10 seconds and take a terrible forced shot….is when he scored 26 in the 3rd and 4th quarters and brought us back in that game where we were down 20+.
That’s it. I like nothing else about farmar. When the dude is on…he’s acceptable. When he’s off…I want nothing more than to use very ignorant and racist remarks when his hands touch the ball.
I’m not sure 100% exactly why i don’t like him, he’s not a terrible player, he averages decent stats for us this season and gives us a boost of points on the bench…when he’s on.
It’s almost like if Jordan Farmar came on the court and scored 10 ppg, 3.5 apg and 2 rpg as a backup guard, i would only find that acceptable. I have a biased opinion of him.
by Roccor420 on Jan 23, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's actually a solid player
and a good guy. I bet there are a a handful of teams that would want him. I just don’t like the decisions he makes on some of the possessions, and of course his occasional reluctance to pass the ball to MarShon.
We'll Be Fine.
by JerseysFinest. on Jan 23, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
yes I know
and I am fully acknowledging my bias. He brings 8 ppg for us this season so far. That’ solid off the bench numbers.
I don’t know exactly what it is about Farmar but he makes me cringe every time he touches the ball.
It’s purely emotional, there’s no logic behind it.
I'd be more worried about Rose on Deron
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I thought he is not playing.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Jan 23, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
just like OKC...
Bulls are just better.
Don’t expect a win but an upset is not impossible. There are a lot of winnable games ahead. A double-double for Deron and 20+ from Brooks is enough.
Brook is coming, just a couple weeks short, they will be in the playoffs.
Go Nets!
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
Depends on which, and how many, Bulls key players are injured
We went up against a full-strength OKC team.
Depends on Derick Rose playing, in my opinion...
they can lose to anybody without him, still wouldn’t be upset over a loss.
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
Deron was a great leader again last night
Jus sayin
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6 turnovers tho
I’m on your side actually, I think he performed well last night, shot decently (on fire first half, not so much second half) and scored near a triple double (one rebound away) but he needs to turn down the TO’s. 2-4 / game is reasonable given our situation, 6?? by himself? That’s way too much. And 2 TO’s could’ve easily been prevented if he didn’t do those lazy cross court passes.
the sad part is if you watch us play, we live and die by DWill and Brooks. If they both play good basketball, we win for the most part. If they don’t play well, we get destroyed.
I agree with what you are saying
that the TOs also need to go down, but it’s going to be tough. The ball is in his hands all the time, that they are bound to happen. It reminds me of when miami was just D-wade and a bunch of players. He led the league in TOs and went north of 5 TOs all the time. Not because he was struggling, but because he was the only playmaker on the team, and had to do it all.
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by lemmetakeutodamovies on Jan 23, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You're right with Wade
4.4 TOs a game for the entire season in 2007-2008 (he played in 51), when Miami went 15-67 — I’m guessing that was when they had a pretty bad team.
Deron’s averaging 4.3, hopefully that goes down as the season progresses and we get Brook back or the Orlando guy. Deron’s average in recent years has been at around 3.5 TOs.
by stenpoint on Jan 23, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
John Wall and Rajon Rondo have almost as many turnovers
meanwhile, the pg with the fewer turnovers is Devin Harris.
And a lot of those turnovers are guys not being in the right place. There isn’t a lot of BBIQ on this roster.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Jan 23, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree with your absolution of the T/O issue.
You named people like Kobe, Durant and Lebron and Rondo in your assessment above about how he is in good company turning the ball over.
Until Deron is having as great an impact on the team consistently as those players do, the Turnovers are NOT excusable as they might be more so with those other mentioned players.
Also,
too many of his Turnovers haven’t been because he is trying to do a lil’ too much and be creative.
They too often have come out of laziness or half-effort and he does not hustle back on D after he commits them.
please offer some backup
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
eLone
covers it a bit below.
But essentially, they are lazy mid court passes that he telegraphs and casually throws across court many times.
He’s also still dribbling it off his leg/feet/.
These are his turnovers.
The more common (Trying to hard T/O) like forcing a pass into a man on the post or a guy not being in the right place are NOT his kind of turnovers.
it's quite simple
if you are a point guard and the team’s leading scorer, BY NECESSITY, you handle the ball a lot and thus, like Kobe or LeBron or Wall, you make a lot of decisions with the ball, a percentage of which go wrong.
All this malarkey about how his turnover numbers are so much higher than they were in Utah. Yeah, AK-47 vs. Damion James; Carlos Boozer vs. Kris Humphries, etc., etc.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Not for nothing
But you could have Kareem, Bird and Lebron on this team… Wouldnt matter, hes throw it to the other team.
This isn’t guys being in the wrong spot or failing to catch his amazing pass. He’s literally just throwing it right to the other team.
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in defense of NI
Out of say the 6 turnovers, 4 are what he is speaking of.
The 2 are lazy direct passes to the other team. Which is why I said at least 2 turnovers need to be curbed / game for me to accept the TO stat that DWill is carrying.
There are at least 2-4 passes PER game where he drives, penetrates into the lane and has nobody to pass to. nobody cut, nobody got open nothing.
Then there are the 2 stupid passes he does / game that is across court turnovers or lazy off the feet dribbling.
Yesterday's game was not the norm
He does need to take better care of the ball under normal circumstances. yesterday however, he was trying to showboat, get on SportsCenter & up his all star vote tally. The game was well in hand deep into the 4th quarter, but he was trying to make spectacular plays & failed miserably at it. Even my wife was saying, what the heck is he trying to show off for, just play.
Or getting his pocket picked by FAR INFERIOR players
Then failing to get back and even pretend to defend the fast break
baloney
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
He also get's his the ball stolen from him by the opposing PG at least 2x a game
That’s his own fault
that's not true at all
that’s happened like 3-4x this entire season. not per game,.
It's true
He’s having a bad year in the turnover department and it’s usually on passes that are taken by the other team. It’s not like the guys are constantly fumbling his passes out of bounds.
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The problem is the one man show element of it all
he is pounding the ball too much and the team is not moving or passing either.
35% of his jump shots are assisted and only 15% of close range shots are. Defenses key on one man shows particularly ones that aren’t adept to it. Historically it has not been his game in Utah. He was an opportunistic exploiter.
Happy to see Billy King graduated in an accelerated "how to make a trade" class in just one night :)
Devin Harris is out of his element
very little pick and roll and penetration compared to what he is used to. He has never been a good system point guard. They have been successful because they are fortunate to have one in Watson.
Happy to see Billy King graduated in an accelerated "how to make a trade" class in just one night :)
Here's the deal on the turnovers...
It’s one thing if the ball is hitting the guys hands and they’re fumbling the pass (which happens.
It’s one thing if the ball is being passed to where he thinks guys are supposed to be on a play and they aren’t there (which happens).
The problem is that those are only a small portion of his turnovers. I’ve seen him:
- lose the ball on his own dribble several times
- have balls tipped mid-pass (meaning he shouldn’t have been telegraphing his pass) too many times
- making soft soft passes that come up short several times (Okur has this issue, too)
I’d say it’s about 40/60 a teammate’s fault vs Deron flat out making bad plays.
This doesn't even include the number of times he's been pick-pocketed.
No excuse for that for an “elite” point guard.
I will agree he "led" by example
by his Defensive effort to start the game.
But he needs to do it regularly.
Also, his “leading” must not become “blaming on the floor”
But For now, as long as it is relatively constructive, I will take anything over the head down, face in towel, bad body language thing.
I’d like to see him take Stevenson’s lead on “how” to lead the right way, with actual on and off-court instructions about x’s and o’s as well as the psychological.
his turnovers are like NI said
From doing too much. Hes being asked to do alot more than he really is used to. Not to mention guys fumbling the ball it makes it worse.
by 1stnamelastname on Jan 23, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
oh i understand his leadership is in question
I never viewed him as a leader on the court. His counter pieces though are not helping him and he isnt helping them either. Its kind of a two way street.
by 1stnamelastname on Jan 23, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
What I am hoping for...
Is for Avery to do his dang job and coach.
Dwill is too talented. Avery has too implore with him that there are enough “wins” in the team as presently constituted.
And even more when Brook returns.
He does not have to “carry” the team as much as he needs to keep that “hop” in his step every game, for as long as he can keep it up.
It breeds wins and it extracts the max out of the guys he’s playing with.
In the end, it makes his job easier than taking plays and nights off.
well, if you say it, it must be indisputable.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Ya know, the sarcasm is a lil' overbearing.
I have made efforts to be more constructive, to back off the the Derong and Declown stuff.
I have also been more positive and up-beat and tried to look up and forward.
Your repeated sarcasm is not very encouraging.
by Jron on Jan 23, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I have noticed that Jron
and I do appreciate it. It has not gone unnoticed by me whom in the grand scheme of things is a newbie forum poster but just saying my piece. =)
+1
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Dwill, Dwight and MKG
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 23, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Well, he does dribble of his foot now and then.
And thread a pass where there is no hole. And get his pocket picked 2x a game. But other than that…
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Dwill, Dwight and MKG
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 23, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
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Ric Bucher reported that he's heard that Deron Williams and Dwight Howard have discussed playing together in the future. - Kevin Baumer
You know what this means if it ever happened?
This will free up another max contract, allowing DWill to sign with Knicks in Free Agency.
Ric Bucher reported that he's heard that Deron Williams and Dwight Howard have discussed playing together in the future. - Kevin Baumer
How is ORL
going to take both Amare and Chandler contract just for Howard?
Knicks are going to have to take Turk’s contract too. So they would be in the same situation – NO CAP space.
Yeah, good point
Regardless, NY is the LAST place Nets would want Howard.
Ric Bucher reported that he's heard that Deron Williams and Dwight Howard have discussed playing together in the future. - Kevin Baumer
I really think
that ORL is BLUFFING
Why would you want those bad contracts? At this point they are better off keeping Turk. He is playing better then both Amare and Chandler and his contract us up before theirs.
Agreed
I can see Orlando asking about Melo+Chandler for D12 & Turkoglu, but why would they want 2 injury prone aging big men (Amare + Chandler).
think its just like the atl "inquiry"
More bluffing to drive up the price.
by 1stnamelastname on Jan 23, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Magic are staying put for the remainder of the season...
Woj just implied that, and that’s what I believed for a long time… they are playing like championship contenders.
Fanbase would be pissed trapped with the bad contracts owned to both these players.
This is not about the Knicks, it’s about the Magic.
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
I want to tell that that it is not necessary even to read such delirium
I don't speak English
by RussianNets on Jan 23, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
LMFAO!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
That’s a good joke. Good stuff
by Anthony Perez on Jan 23, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
"I will preface my statement by telling you that they have categorically denied this"
yep, so the Magic would accept the $80+ million owed Amare without insurance.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Jan 23, 2012 11:39 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
They've inquired
Ive also inquired about trading Okur + Petro for Dwight + Anderson.
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by eLonepb on Jan 23, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ive also inquired about
Farmar + Petro for Josh Smith.
Dwill, Brooks, Josh Smith, Lopez, Howard
Batman, Marshon ManHunter, Hawkman, Aquaman, Superman
they've denied they even inquired
per Smith himself.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Jan 23, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We all agree a horrible contract
But ownership seems more interested in selling tickets right now, then rebuilding. Getting Amar’e and Chandler would do just that.
Ric Bucher reported that he's heard that Deron Williams and Dwight Howard have discussed playing together in the future. - Kevin Baumer
Melo has killed it, not Amar'e
Ric Bucher reported that he's heard that Deron Williams and Dwight Howard have discussed playing together in the future. - Kevin Baumer
It's a joint effort
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Jan 23, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Very predictable too
Add another shot happy pg to the mix. This is going to be good theater for us.
Happy to see Billy King graduated in an accelerated "how to make a trade" class in just one night :)
by Scoot21 on Jan 23, 2012 11:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
When Baron Davis returns...
The Knicks will be a very good team.
is he even healthy? is he even in game shape?
can he hit three pointers consistently that will prevent defenses from constantly collapsing the in the paint on Amare and Melo who already operate a congested lane?
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 23, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
They will be better but there are still some problems
Happy to see Billy King graduated in an accelerated "how to make a trade" class in just one night :)
To be fair, Amare hasn't been the same. He's probably not healthy and certainly deserves some criticism.
Melo is jacking up shots out of isolations because there is no NBA caliber PG to run the offense… all because the Knicks had to amnesty Billups to sign Chandler.
One thing leads to another…
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
that's fine, but
if he is not healthy, that is a big blow to the Knicks, who again have no insurance on that contract. Since they amnestied Billups, they can’t amnesty him at any point in that contract.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
I told my Knicks fans friends that amnestying Billups for Chandler was RETARDED
The second it happened. I told them that the amnesty provision was their insurance for Amare, and then they cashed it in to commit $15 million to a non-essential piece and no guards.
Look, they needed a big. But they needed to think more Nazr Mohommad than $15 mill Chandler
by Anthony Perez on Jan 23, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this has to be fake
By fake I mean I bet you NY Knicks did offer Amare and Chandler for Dwight, but Orland had to have scoffed at that deal. I mean seriously….Amare and Chandler? How would that even work? Orlando getting rid of Dwight’s contract does not equate to taking on Amare and Chandler’s contract. As far as salary cap wise I don’t think that will work at all. Knicks can’t take on Hedo’s contract or Duhon’s either.
You’re telling me a Bynum and Gasol deal is not as attractive as a Chandler/Amare deal? Did I just land in basksetball wonderland?
driving up the price
on something not too valuable. Those are probably 2 of the worst contracts and will only get worse as the years go on. Both guys on the wrong side of their 20s.
by 1stnamelastname on Jan 23, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
What for to Howard to play without the PG? He will not win a title with Melo. I do not think that he wants to be there. Orlando tries to increase value. It will be in Brooklyn on the first role, Deron it arranges. I am assured that we as we will sign АК. I will not be surprised to that that Knicks copies Nets as in a situation with Melo. They are afraid of strong Nets
I don't speak English
They are afraid of strong Nets
to me this sounds awesome said in a Russian accent
by Dolphins_Nets on Jan 23, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The chair might have better luck against Asik.
We made him look like Love last year even with his nice rebound rate.
Happy to see Billy King graduated in an accelerated "how to make a trade" class in just one night :)
Love to have Asik
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Jan 23, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
would certainly draw more capital to Yormark's Turkish marketing department
as in, the one turkish marketing guy would have slightly more work to do
by Dolphins_Nets on Jan 23, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
good player
could start in a lot of places. Also cheap.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Sources say that after the conversation Dwight had with Kobe he left thinking he isn’t gonna be the first option… its still Kobe’s team. Whats gonna be the difference in duh mecca? Melo is still gonna be the first option. That rumor is ridiculous in my opinion…
And why would anyone want to go to
play with Amare and Melo?
They cant beat teams they are suppose to beat like MIL, CHA, TOR, and DEN. WIth Amare and Melo alone you should won those games. I dont care if Melo and Amare ISO the whole game. YOu are suppose to beat bad teams. The only team that they beat that is significant is PHI.
If they made a straight up Bynum for Howard swap
I’m not even sure Dwight would be the 2nd option in LA. Pau is a more skilled offensive player whom Kobe is familiar with. It’ll take time for Howard to mesh with the Lakers.
Best part of that article:
Let me confess to you that I’m torn. From a basketball standpoint, it would seem you do that trade in a heartbeat. You don’t teach seven-feet and you don’t teach the dominate and the skills that Dwight Howard has. But I like Tyson Chandler. I like the fact that he rebounds and defends."
Dwight gets 16 rebs a game. That is around 65% more rebounds than Tyson.
Dwight's 42 and 24 game
honestly took me by surprise. I was just saying to a friend the other day (we were arguing about Dwight’s offensive capabilities) that Dwight lacks on the offensive end in terms of finishing and skill set, and he sent me the link where dwight scored 42 points and 24 rebounds.
Don’t get me wrong, we all know Dwight howard’s offensive game is physical, he bangs bodies down low and mostly run and gun or transition plays that give him his points. You won’t really see him shoot too many post up hooks or fade away jumpers or etc. He does have them and is physically capable of doing those moves, but he doesn’t use them much.
What he does on Defense though, immeasurable. Teams change their entire offensive strategy based on whether Dwight is in the game or sitting on the bench.
Sorry I left out the end
my whole point is that Tyson Chandler as great as of a defensive player as he is and as good of a job that he’s done defending Dwight Howard in the past…..is no Dwight Howard and will never…NEVER give you a 42 and 24 game.
LMFAO
Anyone who chooses Tyson Chandler over Dwight, especially on the argument that Chandler plays D and rebounds, is mentally challenged.
Dwight’s only a repeat defensive player of the year and rebounding leader.
by Anthony Perez on Jan 23, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
@NetsDaily
I will refrain from using the “hate” verbiage, but just for clarification, I wasn’t trying to pick a fight. There has been some VERY negative anger towards Shawne Williams on these forums and I think it’s unwarranted. I’m upset that he is injured but I think it’s unfair to say he is a terrible basketball player.
The thing with
ShaWill as it is with Morrow. They are spot up jump shooters.
If Dwill is taking shots they are not effective.
When Dwill penetrates and dishes that is where they are good. People that blame ShaWill really dont understand what made him so good last year with the Knicks.
If you are upset ShaWill or Morrow you really need to blame, either AVERY or DWill. ShaWill was signed before Lopez’ injury too. He was suppose to be the Stretch 4 or SF come off the bench to create more space for Lopez. You cant blame him or lopez, but you can point fingers to AVERY and DWIll.
What’s this nonsense I’m reading about Chandler and Amare?
Fire Brian Schottenheimer.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/1000000-Jets-fans-against-Brian-Schottenheimer/104252133024352
Just Stephen A ranting and raving
Nonsense, but 9 minutes of good radio as he rips the the Knicks a new one.
by brother_rat on Jan 23, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
New weekly power rankings, www.nba.com/powerrankings/
“New Jersey (5-12)
Pace: 91.9 (26), Off: 99.3 (18), Def: 108.0 (30)
The Nets picked up their first home victories last week, but also offered a clue as to why their opponents are shooting 43 percent from 3-point range, by far the highest rate in the league. On the Clippers’ first possession on Monday, the Nets doubled Randy Foye in the post. Why would you ever do that?”
Can’t emphasize that last one enough. Double teaming 2nd rate players in the post leaving open 3’s all game.
by NetsFan4e88 on Jan 23, 2012 12:36 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
SMH!!
I dont even understand doubling Griffin. Let him try to score. He has NO POST UP GAME. He is all dunking. If he manhandles HUMP, Petro, and SheWIll, so be it. I would rather Griffin score 20 then Butler or Foye score 20.
Actually, Griffin does have post game
Anyone who thinks Griffin is all dunking hasn’t watched him play all that much.
by Anthony Perez on Jan 23, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
I will look it up
Does he have a fade away jumper in the post? Does he have a drop step? Baby hook?
I guess I have to do more research.
Rose is out – Good morning!
Rose is in – Good night…
by Belarus4life on Jan 23, 2012 12:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
call me crazy but i don't mind
shawne williams.
long, semi-athletic can stay in front of people on D.
once his shot starts dropping, i think more people will see him as a nice piece off the bench.
imagine something extremely witty here
This is how that rumor started..
There are a ton of reasons this makes no sense as a real deal and does make sense as a bluff. Prokey did the same thing by driving the price up on the knicks. Kind of like this:
Otis: Ok Billy, You can have Dwight, but we want, Lopez, Your pick, Houston’s Pick, Marshon, and Hump, and you will need to take Turks deal off of our books.
Billy: No. We will give you Lopez and Brooks or our Pick and we won’t take back Turk. Why would we offer more? We are number 1 on dwights list and we can just sign him in the off season?
Otis: Fine.we will just trade him to the Lakers
Billy: No you won’t. Bynum is kind of a stiff and way too injury prone. He is a nice piece but you need more. Plus Dwight doesn’t want to play with Kobe.
Otis: Fine, We will trade him to Atl for Smooth and Joe Johnson.
Billy: No you won’t Dwight won’t resign in Atl. They aren’t on his list.
Otis: Fine, he wants to play with CP3, we will trade him to the clips.
Billy: No you won’t. Clips not on Dwight’s list plus they won’t trade Blake.
Otis: Fine. We will trade him to the knicks. Knicks are on everyone’s list. It would sting if we traded him to your arch rival.
i think otis is just trying to wriggle out
bynum & gasol.
worried it might work the way panic has set in, in lakersland
imagine something extremely witty here
lakers/dwight
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7483937/los-angeles-lakers-trade-dwight-howard-now-nba
imagine something extremely witty here
Too bad the Magic won't do Bynum for Howard straight up
and Howard doesn’t want to go to LA without Pau there as well.
IMO
I actually think Dwight wants nothing to do with LA.
I actually think he wants to play with a PASSING PG. Paul and Dwill were his options. Now that Paul has Griffin, Dwill is the only other Passing PG out there.
Then you factor in Brooklyn. Did the guy not say he wants to create his own legacy? Imagine what his legacy would be like if HE brought a championship to Brooklyn before the Knicks won another championship.
Remember how everyone was saying if Lebron came to the Knicks and WON ONE championship he would be one of the GREATEST Knicks ever.
Imagine what HOWARD would be if he won a Championship in Brooklyn?
by SIC One on Jan 23, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
These articles are why ESPN has 0 credibility
They are assuming that the Lakers are the only trade partner out there. Plus this guy spends a whole article trying to make a case for why Dwight is more valuable to the lakers than Bynum. Duh?? He makes it seem like Bymun for Howard is available and Lakers are the ones holding a deal up…
in ESPN land only ny and la exist
We get no love even though its been reported many times Nets are his first choice..smh
by 1stnamelastname on Jan 23, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
4 teams battling for one spot.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
according to Rotoworld
Deng is out. Noah is playing and Rose is a true GTD.
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
Let us review
Stephen A admits the Magic categorically deny the report.
The Magic and Howard said last week there is no change in either his trade request or the teams on his list. Knicks are not on it.
Amare Stoudemire’s contract cannot be insured and the Knicks owe him more than $80 million.
The Knicks have lost six straight and need to do something to keep their fans interested and off the ledge.
This is Stephen A. Smith reporting.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Jan 23, 2012 1:49 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Knicks fans realizing their team is overpaid and overrated
The Future is Not Written For Us, But By Us
it is total bull
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
i'll say that the knicks should deal
melo for dwight.
and it might be the best offer the magic get
imagine something extremely witty here
Then next they trade Dwight for Blake Griffen lol keeps going on and on
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Hopin for the nets to grab those bulls balls..
If the nets would out-rebound the bulls, I expect a W.
"You may win with offense, but you will never loose by defending.."
Interesting
mySynergySports mySynergySports
30.6% of MarShon Brooks’s possessions are Isos, he’s scoring 0.99 Points Per-Iso. Thats a top-10 mark in the NBA.
Shhhhh...
…let’s keep that on the down low. Our little secret until March 16 ;-)
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Dwill, Dwight and MKG
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 23, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
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