Will Magic Hang On To Howard?
by Net Income on Jan 21, 2012 10:27 AM EST
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PrintAfter Friday night's smackdown of the Lakers, Dwight Howard and the Magic are 11-4, tied with the 76ers for second in the East and fourth in the NBA. They have to be considered legitimate championship contenders. So why would they trade their best player, who also has to be considered a legitimate MVP contender?
Maybe they won't. Otis Smith suggested that Friday before the Lakers game. "He can still walk," Smith said talking about Howard leaving in free agency. "But with a $30 million haircut." Increasingly, that's a legitimate strategy, writes Tim Povtak, who covered the Magic for a decade, and Adrian Wojnarowski. Povtak writes that there's a $28 to $30 million difference between what Howard can get from the Magic (or a team they trade him to before March 15) and a team he joins in July.
Woj writes that the Nets and Lakers both now believe the Magic will NOT make a deal at the deadline because as Woj quotes an NBA executive, "Orlando is too good to trade him now.” Povtak quotes an Eastern Conference executive as saying something similar, "The Magic letting this thing ride ride out is a very real possibility now."
- After beating LA, Magic may call Howard's bluff - Tim Povtak - FOX Sports
- Magic are too good to trade Howard - Adrian Wojnarowski - Yahoo! Sport
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The Magic , a legitimate playoff team, trade their best player to the Nets, a non-playoff team. LOL
"Beware the Ides of March."
theres a lot more to it than the teams' records
Most would agree that getting something… Anything, in return for a departing super star is the most intelligent strategy in running a rebuilding franchise
Utah is the prime example in trading Deron Williams
Kevin O’Connor is a very very savvy GM. They’re lucky to have him.
Remains to be seen...
… how Favors, Kanter and the GS draft pick work out for the Jazz.
Devon Harris has fallen apart, and is already on the block.
The Nuggets traded Carmelo to the Knicks last year
They were a legitimate playoff team. It’s about the long-term success of your franchise.
What does Carmelo's success have to do with anything?
We’re talking about the success of FRANCHISES, NOT PLAYERS. I don’t understand what you’re saying has to do with anything.
Carmelo wanted a trade to go to a franchise that can contend
and be in a market that can make him a star.
the first of those is obviously a misstep… yet to your credit, in which i agree(d) with, players make decisions to leave for teams that have greater long term success than superficial short term success. However, the knicks aren’t succeeding. If fact, they are failing, tied into this under achieving team for the next three years.
Um so yea, Carmelo’s decision to leave for greener pastures isn’t panning out.
Excuse me for relating this to Carmelo. Didn’t mean perturb you.
Talking about the benefit of a tteam getting back assets for their superstar-
in the cases of Utah and Denver, that’s what they did and they are doing well with complete, deep teams. Orlando may want to screw Dwight and tell him to walk and lose the money – if he does, who really loses there? Dwight will make that money back. What wil Orlando have to show for it?
That’s what ZR was referrring to.
I hope they let him walk
Then we will truly see how much DWILL and Dwight want to play with each other in NJ. Plus it is absolutely a dream scenario if Dwight comes via Free Agency.
DWill
Brooks
MKG or Barnes
Lopez
Howard
Can be truly something special.
Nets may end up with a guy like Kirilenko to start at SF
That top pick will probably come off the bench to start, if this scenario plays out. Just my opinion.
Cavs were a 60 win team...
…when they decided to hold on to bron after the deadline…we all saw how that worked out.
HOWEVER…a season or later, Cavs now have Kyrie and things can only get better for them. So maybe Otis does hold on to him.
Cleveland is still a long long way away from being a major threat again
Irving is a great start, but it’s nearly impossible to replicate LeBron.
A good point
Maybe Otis is thinking he would either want to keep Dwight or let him walk for nothing so the team will stink up faster. With Lopez and the current support cast the team may not stink up fast enough. Yes Lopez can be a rebuilding piece but maybe Otis doesn’t like him as a rebuilding piece.
But more importantly is the point made in NI’s post, it doesn’t happen often when a player leave so much $ on the table. But again, who the hell knows how much more $ he can make through shoes & publicity if he comes to Brooklyn, it may be well over the $ he’s leaving on the table via contract.
That endorsement money is minimal nowadays
Howard is already the 10th highest compensated Athlete in the world.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Jan 21, 2012 11:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Proky could help make him bigger overseas...
not to mention other benefits of being Proky’s top athlete.
Dwight also does little in the new media space
Much more lucrative than traditional endorsement deals.
yea thats what Proky says.. and its probably a little true..
but playing with a chinese player is were the real money’s at. wasn’t McGrady the second most popular jersey in China over Kobe for a couple years (and not his best years—while in Houston)?
I hope he stays with Magic this year
then we’ll welcome him with open arms next season. I see multiple championship rings coming!!!
IMO - It needs to be a fine line of the Magic playing well enough to keep Howard this year
….and the Magic being bad enough to get SMACKED in the first round of the playoffs.
Wouldn’t be very good for us if Howard starts believing the Magic can put a winning team together and maybe decides to stick around.
Yes – Nets have all the right pieces to build a winning franchise but if Howard realizes this year that the Magic do too, maybe he is swayed to stay.
The Magic won't win the Finals, let alone make it this year
I see a very very slim chance they beat Miami or Chicago this season.
They're in line for a repeat of last season. They made no major roster improvements.
But they’re good enough nevertheless to keep Dwight and go for it.
2011-2012 season prediction: 22-44
And I'm fine with that. One of the original leaders of the "Dwight Howard, not Nono Hilario" movement.
I don't want to take that chance.
Hopefully Howard will “stink it up” closer to the trade deadline and he will get his extra 28 million from the Nets.
$30M for Howard is really not a big deal
Because in Brooklyn he’ll $100M endorsements easily. Please, Magic, keep him post trade deadline so we have a Super-team next year!
No way that happens
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Jan 21, 2012 11:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Then what is the reason he says he wants to go to a Big Market?
He said there are more opportunities in a Big Market.
It must be more International Fame.
I really envision Magic keeping Howard past deadline.
I think that’s their strategy: ""He can still walk," Smith said talking about Howard leaving in free agency. “But with a $30 million haircut.”" They think $30M will swing Howard to stay. LOL.
by Belarus4life on Jan 21, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
$100 cumulative?
Yes, anything’s possible. But it will take a long time to get there. A very very long time.
Derrick Rose recently signed a 250 million dollar deal
100 mil is possible.. he might even have a 100 million dollar deal with adidas right now.
Understand that that is a deal in perpituity
The time commitment that Rose will give adidas for that deal will be unprecedented. Rose pretty much will have next to no time to endorse other brands. That’s why he’s getting that $$, as he will be the face of adidas for a very very long time.
I’d have to assume that there are also some very strict clauses that can end adidas’ relationship with Rose at any given time. Lifetime deals are very very risky and adidas must’ve protected themselves very well.
How do you know this is a realistic figure $100,000,000?
What is that based on?
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Deron, Dwight and a top draft pick SF
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 21, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Rose signed a contract with Adidas for $250,000,000 for 10 years.
100,000,000 is the lowest endorsement I expect Dwight to sign in Brooklyn. He may as well get the same as Rose – $250M. So, are we talking about $30M? :)
by Belarus4life on Jan 21, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
OK
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Deron, Dwight and a top draft pick SF
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 21, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Magic keeping Dwight is in line with what I've planned for from the get go
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
They will do what the Cavs did, because their best opportunity is to make a run for a championship and convince him to stay that way (with a winner).
2011-2012 season prediction: 22-44
And I'm fine with that. One of the original leaders of the "Dwight Howard, not Nono Hilario" movement.
How come nobody has discussed the Clippers as a FA destination for Howard?
The Clippers could look VERY attractive to Howard – Play in LA with Chris Paul & Blake Griffin and some other very nice pieces.
I think they could be real FA competition for us.
….maybe it is better to trade for Howard?
I know Howard said they’re not “officially” on his wish list – but if he wants to play with a legit PG, Chris Paul is it.
How come nobody has discussed the Clippers as a FA destination for Howard?
Where have you been lately?
We've discussed a TRADE to the Clippers
But if Howard can sign with them as a FA and they get to keep Griffin & Paul – How can you not be interested in that?
because hes close with deron and they both wanna play together, and he doesnt wanna be second fiddle to anyone, be it kobe in the same arena, cp3 and blake on the same team, or clips behind the lakers
by Andrew Flynn on Jan 21, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe Deron is a star
But not so big that it wouldn’t still be “Dwight’s Team”
Deron doesn't want to be "the man" like Dwight does
He’s stated as much already. Bringing in Howard is perfect for all parties involved.
Didn’t Chris Paul commit to opting in as part of the trade? So that’s 18, Jordan 10.5, Mo Williams 8.5 player option (which he could turn down for a better opportunity of playing time, but he’d be leaving a lot of money on the table), Butler 8 million, Griffin 7 mil, Gomes 4 mil, Bledsoe 2 mil. What cap space are the Clippers left with?
Fire Brian Schottenheimer.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/1000000-Jets-fans-against-Brian-Schottenheimer/104252133024352
Can't sign him outright...
…unless DH12 wants to play for a MLE.
Clippers have $57M committed to 7 players next year- Paul $17.8M, Butler $8M, Jordan $10.5M, Griffin $7.2M, Williams $8.5M, Gomes $4M, Bledsoe $1.7M.
That's because they're not an attractive destination
Dwight won’t go to LAC, especially since they just locked up DeAndre Jordan to a long-term deal.
Dwight also said they aren’t on his list.
because Mo Williams would be insane to opt out of that 8.5 mill which would leave the clippers at about 50 mill
no way to sign him outright
the clippers don't have the cap space
by Nets2410 on Jan 21, 2012 11:25 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Consolation
Seeing Knicks lose make me feel so much better….lol so called contenders….haha
by NetsYankee on Jan 21, 2012 10:48 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Amare may have started inevitable
slowing down.
by Belarus4life on Jan 21, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but they won't even get to the finals
So it’s a moot point.
by Chakroot on Jan 21, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
New report out from the nets
“We will never get back to just playing basketball”
We are in another atmosphere. You're just in the Troposhere we in the Exospere. In other words the JETS are higher than you!
I think as long as Prokhorov is the primary owner, they're not going to stop chasing stars rather than build up the team organically
2011-2012 season prediction: 22-44
And I'm fine with that. One of the original leaders of the "Dwight Howard, not Nono Hilario" movement.
Building a team organically is just as big a risk as playing the FA/trade game
Sure, the Thunder pulled it off. But how many times do you see top draft picks fail to materialize and hurt many franchises long-term goals?
yes they would
Orlando needs to sell tickets that’s the bottom line. Without Dwight that brand new stadium will be empty. Also 2 playoffs series means big money to the arena. The big question is:
Will Dwight leave if Orlando makes the Finals?
Will Dwight leave if Orlando makes the Finals?
No, because if the Magic were to get past the Heat and Bulls to make it to the Finals, I wouldn’t expect them to lose to any Western Conf. team.
2011-2012 season prediction: 22-44
And I'm fine with that. One of the original leaders of the "Dwight Howard, not Nono Hilario" movement.
Kareem left Milwaukee after winning a championship
by DJ HeavyDuty on Jan 21, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Good point
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Jan 21, 2012 11:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Different sport, but Pujols also left STL after winning a World Series there (also won in '06).
Pujols left because of money, but he also chose a bigger market over St. Louis DESPITE winning it all with the Cards. Like Pujols, Dwight could still feel like he has served a significant amount of time in the Big O and feel he has the right to depart.
LOL if you're ever bored, search Deron Williams on twitter and read some of the tweets people post. Absolutely hilarious. An example:
Picture this starting 5: Deron williams, kobe, metta world peace, Pau gasol, and dwight howard, and Bynum and matt barnes off the bench
by djeterfan on Jan 21, 2012 10:53 AM EST via Android app reply actions 2 recs
Was watching Clips Wolves yesterday. Few notes:
- Blake is becoming unbearable to watch in terms of his “foul begging”. Whiny girl.
- Derick Williams is going to be a stud in this league.
- Kevin Love is spectacular – if Howard pursuit fails, just give him everything!
- Rubio’s shooting is his glaring weakness.
Not possible.
Minny offered 4 year max already and should be prepared to go to 5 year max
Forget about Love.
really? youre high on Derrick Williams?
I think he is somewhat disappointing.. but yea he is athletic and is decent in the high post. Theres potential.
He's very explosive around the basket.
He reminds me of Lebron in terms of quickness. I’m sold on him.
Minnesota will be next Thunder very soon: Rubio, Love, Williams = Big 3!
by Belarus4life on Jan 21, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
unbearable to watch in terms of his "foul begging".
Absolutely. That is what I didn’t like watching when we played them. Are you there, Shameer? (He calls it being a stud.)
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Deron, Dwight and a top draft pick SF
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 21, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Best scenario for Nets fans
Dwight has the team a top 4 conference seed by the deadline and Magic owner decides at the age of 85, he’d like to see one more playoff run so he doesn’t trade Howard. Magic get eliminated in the first round like last year. The most ideal situation for Nets fans imo.
by djeterfan on Jan 21, 2012 11:03 AM EST via Android app reply actions
throw in a tense emotional battle between SVG and Dwight
And Glen Davis weirds Dwight out to the point of wondering if they are really friends…
Chill out people ... Although it would be great for us, it ain't happening.
People who draw a parallel with STL and Pujols … this in not even close.
Pujols pulled a Lebron; Dwight asked out (no even Melo did that publicly).
He’s gone and ORL knows it. As much as they like to play hardball, D12 is a superstar (unlike D-Will). $30 mill is alot of money, but he will make that up.
Furthermore, ORL can NOT afford a Shaq 2.0, especially with their new Arena.
They will get x-fied by the fans for allowing him to walk and leave them with nothing for ages.
Compare for example:
B-Lo + Marswag or Morrow + bunch of picks + relief from Turk >>>>>> D12 walking.
Be real ….. it ain’t happening.
Was this posted already concerning DWill's remarks?:
Good find Andres. Is Vasquez a Thunder writer?
Andy Vasquez
D-Will said he doesn’t read ESPN.com and he wasn’t aware of any list. When we made him aware of list, he wanted to talk Thunder.
35 minutes ago via HootSuite
Obviously DWill couldn’t go to Thunder because they just re-signed Westbrook.
How long would Nets have to wait to trade DWill for Westbrook? Is it 60 days or after the season?
If OKC wanted DWill and DWill wanted OKC could a S&T occur in July for Westbrook?
Might be better option than trading for Melo if worst situation happened.
he wanted to talk thunder, as in, the team he's playing tonight. not about trades.
by soul driver on Jan 21, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
he might've wanted to talk thunder because of the game today?
ITS A VVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEEEEE
Oh, Jerry.
Thunder = tonight’s opponent.
NetsDaily.com
by NetsDaily on Jan 21, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
No he isnt
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Jan 21, 2012 11:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Can't tell if serious ...
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
I think he's serious
Per his twitter
by djeterfan on Jan 21, 2012 11:10 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Where have you been?
Old news.
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
by BEB on Jan 21, 2012 11:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Orlando's putting on a tough face IMO
Them losing Dwight for nothing is more devastating than Dwight losing ~30 million. Push comes to shove, if they do let this reach free agency, they’re still gonna do a sign and trade won’t they? But even if they don’t, as long as they let this reach free agency and Dwight is willing to make the sacrifice, the Nets win since they get to build an even better team
Orlando putting on a tough face
Them losing Dwight for nothing is more devastating than Dwight losing ~30 million. Push comes to shove, if they do let this reach free agency, they’re still gonna do a sign and trade won’t they? But even if they don’t, as long as they let this reach free agency and Dwight is willing to make the sacrifice, the Nets win since they get to build an even better team
I think we can offer him an extension after his first two seasons with us anyway.
Its not that big a deal
You play to win the game!
by stevieboyNETS on Jan 21, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
I would be very happy to see Dwight hit the market
But i’m extremely nervous that the two would take their talents to Dallas to make 3D with Dirk
If both make it to FA, I don't see them going to the Mavs over the Nets
Nets can retain all their assets and go from a joke to title contenders immediately. Best situation for all parties involved.
Who here is with not trading for DH of it means trading MarShon?
When can i get my Dwight Howard Brooklyn Nets Jersey?
by AmbassadorAmeer on Jan 21, 2012 11:20 AM EST via mobile reply actions
i don't want to trade marshon
but if thats the deal breaker…you have to do it
ITS A VVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEEEEE
Avoid it at all costs
But if it is what sets us apart from him getting traded to say the knicks or something, get it done
by Prash Ramani on Jan 21, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Its dwight howard
sure Swag is a beast in the making. But its the difference in winning a championship now, and only being a playoff team 2 years from now
10:30 a.m. on february 23, 2011 woke up with no hope.
12:30 p.m. on february 23, 2011 hope was born
D-WILL ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whatever it takes to get D12
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
I love the kid, he is going to be something great
but Dwight\Deron>Swag\ Deron bouncing
it all depends on the situation though, if Orlando is shopping him around and one of his favored teams are competing with us then we have to play as many cards to win
if not, then the nets can play whatever cards they feel like, and then sign him out right just like if he had stayed in Orlando ( if he is traded to a team not of his choice)
Andy Vasquez
D-Will said he doesn’t read ESPN.com and he wasn’t aware of any list. When we made him aware of list, he wanted to talk Thunder.
He wanted to talk Thunder?
Lol, that’s worded cleverly. This idiot Vasquez is trying to make people think Deron wants to go to OKC when really, Deron was referring to our game against the Thunder tonight.
No he wasn't
If you know the Nets are playing the Thunder (as you should as a Nets fan), it’s pretty clear.
What is the matter with everyone?
Why can’t anyone comprehend this tweet?
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
by BEB on Jan 21, 2012 11:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
he must have not realized he was making the list at the time??
or is it him politely saying no list
He said he was unaware of a list
How is that a non denial denial?
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Jan 21, 2012 11:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If he says he is unaware of the list, he doesn’t have to answer any questions about it. It’s just a neat way to avoid the question.
How can he be unaware of a list if supposedly it's his list?
Please explain. I’m a bit slow.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Jan 21, 2012 11:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I feel like there is no list at all for one very important reason:
Chris Broussard reported it, and he knows diddly. This man claimed the Nets-Nuggets deal was already done last year, even Howard said Chris knows nothing a few weeks ago.
Can't see them hanging onto him, but let's be real
He wouldn’t lose $30M by signing with us, that’s only because of the 5th guaranteed year. It’s more like $5M over 4 years and then presumably he’d get another big contract or extension near the end of his next one.
Same goes for Deron going to Dallas as a free agent. It’s all very realistic and possible. Their only concern woud be a career ending injury and losing that 5th year, but they are already taking that gamble at this very moment by not signing extensions and waiting ton sign a brand new one as a free agent.
But in the end, I think they trade him unless Howard changes his tune (which we’ve seen him do). But he’s gone regardless, even if they win a title.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
They’re going to trade him. The question is, can they pressure the Lakers into trading Bynum AND Gasol.
Lakers don't need bigs
they need a PG help badly
Howard will be ineffective offensively with Bryant clearly preferring to go down shooting instead of feeding the ball into the paint
the Lakers are also poorly coached imo.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 21, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed on all points but the Lakers way of thinking is this: Kobe won’t be around forever. Make the transition to Dwight as the center piece of the Lakers for the next 8 years.
Or at least, that would be my way of thinking. Not a move to fix the team now but a way to station the team to be successful for the next decade.
oh
if I’m the Lakers, I’d do it, Kobe be damned
they don’t want to go through another brief period where they had no stars like they did after Magic retired
but screw them honestly. The 96 draft gave them almost two decades worth of stardom.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 21, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
excuse me
summer of 1996, when they got Shaq in FA and Kobe in the draft
and they tampered with both players.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 21, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
More like
Devin Harris or Ramon Sessions.
Fire Johnson and hire Van Gundy - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking something when he let Van Gundy slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jan 21, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting.
But he’s gone regardless, even if they win a title.
Bold statement.
(I disagree.)
I think eLone is basing his statement on Howard’s desire to play in a big market, no matter how good the team is.
For the record...
I’m very convinced that Howard will be a Net by the time Barclays opens.
I just don’t see the Magic winning a title; quite frankly, I’d be surprised if they got to the Conference Finals.
I'm not
I remain skeptical. It’s all so fragile, so dependent on so many variables…DWill, Prokhorov, Lopez health, etc.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Jan 21, 2012 11:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Interesting.
To me, it just makes too much sense.
The Nets provide Howard with everything he’s interesting in aside from warm weather. Plus: I’m not one to oversimplify a situation — in fact, I’m more apt to overanalyze and complicate things — but I really think the only variable involved is the Magic’s interest in Andrew Bynum.
Really?
“We did it Magic fans! I leave you with an NBA championship! You are welcome, I’ll always love Orlando, I did this for you!”
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
You REALLY think Howard could manage that?
After repeating over and over that it’s been about winning. Granted: he’s said that playing in a bigger market is a preference; however, he’s always said that winning is the top-priority.
I don’t see it.
Because its not about really winning
It’s about winning with his best buddy Deron. Putting together their own team to rule the NBA.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
I agree.
I just don’t think he could sell that to the general public.
There’s a difference between dealing with the irrational backlash of those who are upset that you’re exercising your right to leave in free agency because the team that drafted you can’t surround you with the pieces to get it done … and leaving after winning a ring. He’d be desecrated. I don’t think he has the balls to do it.
I think winning is the easiest way to sell it
its like a get out of media jail free card. A winner can decide wherever he wants to go—no questions asked. He did it. Its his legacy.
Disagree.
If it was a Pujols-esque situation; where Howard’s free agency had been looming, but was hardly mentioned then I’d agree. However, in this scenario, Dwight’s free agency has been beating to the pulp. He’s said numerous times that it’s “all about winning.” If he were to turn around and leave after achieving what he claims to be the most important factor then it would reflect poorly on his character. His image would take a big hit.
the one thing that your scenario gives too much credit towards
is the persuasion powers of guilt… however, like Lebron, Dwight isn’t going to mortgage his future based off of guilt… he will make a decision based off of what he needs to do in order to create his most realized and positive future. People that will their teams and win championships don’t generally seem like the people who would be weak enough to make a decision from a place that didnt resonate with their heart….
Thats all i have to say… whatever Dwight actually wants, will be the #1 factor. Him alluding to staying due to winning bla bla bla isn’t enough..
no way
No way Howard wins a title in Orlando then doesn’t take their max offer to defend it. If Orl wins it all take Howard (and probably DWill) off the Nets’ list. Even a conference finals appearance I think would be enough for them to keep him.
by netsfanbq on Jan 21, 2012 2:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
no way
No way Howard wins a title in Orlando then doesn’t take their max offer to defend it. If Orl wins it all take Howard (and probably DWill) off the Nets’ list. Even a conference finals appearance I think would be enough for them to keep him.
by netsfanbq on Jan 21, 2012 2:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
if they win a title dwight plays out the rest of his career there, he wants to be in orlando if they can win, hes said that numerous times, but hopefully they dont win.
by Andrew Flynn on Jan 21, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
the only thing is, i think you are 55% right because, Dwight can be persuaded to stay..
however, he also has the capacity to be very steadfast——in his decision to finally start his own franchise. No offense to Orlando but it is kinda a pit… the transient nature (lack of culture) and pseudo development of the town is sad kinda… i dunno, no matter what, even if I was born there, I would always feel like there is something more than Orlando… its empty feeling there… but hey, tons of people live there and call it home, so whatever they see in it, even if its just situational (i.e. they need to be there cause their work is there) they continue stay.. too each his own.
Florida in general is like the worst parts of the south mixed in with the worst parts of the North.. and nice beaches and amusement parks.
Deron Williams
MarShon Brooks
Danny Granger
Anthony Davis
Dwight Howard
LET HOWARD WALK. Going in to Brooklyn, this lineup would be incredible. We’d be the deepest team in the NBA and instant favorites to win the NBA championship in front of a huge crowd in a brand new stadium!
are you replacing Lopez...
a legitimate 20pt 8reb player for a player who’s not even in the league yet? I don’t get the lack of appreciation for Lopez from some.
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
We'd have to trade Lopez
I’m not very familiar with the way the salary works, but i believe Brook will not be able to stay here with Dwight and Deron. It was stupid of me to say we should trade him for Granger because obviously that wouldn’t work either
So let me get this straight:
Broussard is telling the truth when he reports that Dwight Howard requests a trade to the Magic….but he is a liar when he reports that he’s been informed that Deron has a preferred list of teams that he wants to go to if we don’t get Dwight?
which is it folks? can’t have it both ways here
Of course he can be wrong on one, right on the other
What’s the conflict?
Different sources spoken to at different times.
I dont see him being called a liar just a bad reporter.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Jan 21, 2012 11:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
he is a bad reporter
but the general consensus is here to believe him 100% when its pro Nets, deny everything when its not
I don’t think he’s lying about either issue to be honest. In fact, Deron having a list of teams and wanting out if we don’t get Howard is very plausible.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 21, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
He and Deron are friends
I don’t doubt the validity of this report.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
The Magic are going to trade Dwight.
“If his trade request still stands, we will trade him” is essentially what the magic owner said.
If the Magic go on a 3 game losing streak all this “keeping him all season” talk will go away.
His list might expand his list in free agency
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Jan 21, 2012 11:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree.
And I think the Nets will be able to form a better team than many believe (assuming they have to trade Lopez, Brooks, 1st rounder and take on Turkoglu):
Williams/?
Jones/Morrow
Turkoglu/Bodjanovic
Kirilenko/Williams
Howard/?
Dahntay Jones.
And if not him, I’m okay with Stevenson.
Always wanted Dahntay on this team would add a lot
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Tough dude
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Jim Jones. Ballllinnn
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
People need to step back from the ledge…….whatever happens will happen. Tweeting Dwight or DWill is not going to help them make their decision.
That said, I’m not sure why everyone discounts Magic ownership holding onto Dwight. The owner is 85 and both Dwight and the Magic are playing very well right now. Ironically, Ryan Anderson may be the reason the Magic continue to compete and the reason the Magic decide to make a run. Owning a team/business is large part ego…..playoffs and winning drive ego. At that stage (85)of his life, I see no reason to not go all in. If Magic keep winning for three more weeks, they won’t be trading him. Book it.
Magic are simply a long shot to win a title
They’re not built to go all the way and will most likely lose in the second round.
They may hang onto him for the season, but seriously run the risk of losing him if they have another early exit.
If you were 85 years old and have been super successful in life, and the only real accomplishment left is your team winning the NBA championship do you throw away that dream? I know I don’t.
And people fail to realize that in a shortened season with more back to backs and back to back to backs changes the tone of the season. Veteran team will struggle. It changes the arc of the season. Dallas is no sure thing. Lakers will go as Kobe goes(and Bynum has never proven ability to stay healthy). Boston looks finished. Miami has no depth so an injury to Wade or LeBron will derail them. Chicago still has to cover Dwight…..I can keep going if you like.
If I’m DeVos I keep Dwight and roll the dice on winning and free agency. Remember winning and money tend to work out other problems…..
I'm assuming DeVos will hand over the franchise to his children when he passes away or decides not to run the day to day?
He runs the risk of essentially hurting his families income, destroying a franchise and alienating an entire city.
I totally understand your POV, and I think it could go either way.
I mean, c’mon guys, how can Deron Williams not be aware that ESPN has posted a list of his most preferred teams? That’s insanity
of course he's aware
its all lip service. He didn’t deny anything either.
This stuff is obvious imo. Deron has always had one foot out the door. Howard or nothing. The Nets clearly know this.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 21, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
100% agree
Dwight or bust and bust doesnt mean keep Deron
Did people watch Sam Mitchell on NBATV?
He put Bynum down to size.
Shaq is looking Stupid and Jealous regarding Howard (Superman) now.
It's not llike Orlando would lose much with Howard leaving...
If they fell Lopez is not a player to build a franchise around or Bynum is too much of a liability, they can just work a sign and trade in the offseason and get some picks and cap relief to rebuild the franchise their own way.
This may be even better for them in the long term.
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
One of the more random posts I've seen.
Did you just watch the movie or something?
Andy Vasquez should get some national attention if ESPN-Insider has the courage to quote the DWill denial:
http://blog.northjersey.com/nets/940/d-will-downplays-list/
I will try to tempt Bucher (who likely doesn’t like Broussard or at least wants to be on the opposite side).
doesn't sound like things are going sour...
Then, as reporters started their interview session with coach Avery Johnson, Williams joked with the coach.
"Have you heard about my list?" Williams asked his coach.
Avery responded with a laugh. Then he encouraged Williams to include Avery Jr.’s basketball team to his wish list.
"My son’s team," Johnson joked, his son his a sophomore in high school. "I told him he should have put them on his list — we lost last night and we need some help! We need a guard."
by BKNfastbreak on Jan 21, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
He'd be stupid not to have his agent ready
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
I don't think that things are sour...yet
but like eLone said, he’d be a fool not to have a back up plan. This scheme is crazy as is
by MrDollarBills on Jan 21, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
The back up plan is if Lopez doesn't return fully recovered.
Has anyone ever considered that possibility?
i'm pretty sure
all parties involved have a back up plan.. including Billy King.. there probably is a list and we’ve probably been made aware of what it takes to keep him or where he’d go…
Deron Williams
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He likes snow!
He’s going to Minnesota!
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
by BEB on Jan 21, 2012 12:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Question about this “30 million” number, that’s 30 million over 5 years, but how much is it over 4? With Dwight still only 26, he’s in line for another max deal after this 4 (or 5) year contract runs out, which absolutely lessens the blow.
Fire Brian Schottenheimer.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/1000000-Jets-fans-against-Brian-Schottenheimer/104252133024352
like $4-5M over 4 years
I agree the $30M differential is overstated because it will be lessened significantly by the next deal
for both dwight and deron
Unlike Howard, DWill is a family type guy.
DWill thinks of putting away money for his family. Guaranteed extra $30 million is Thirty million. DWill isn’t such a sure thing in 5 years.
Howard is Superman and gets lots of endorsement money too.
Its more because the 5th year of that contract would be WAY more than the 1st year of his next contract...
even if it is another max contract.
Why are some people so convinced that endorsement money doesn’t mean anything?
Howard’s Adidas contract also happens to be up for renewal in the coming year. And while the company considers Howard an "outstanding partner" and maintains they’re "completely supportive" with whatever he chooses, there is no denying he has less value to Adidas with Rose than without.
This could easily play a role in his next shoe contract negotiation. By joining the Bulls, Howard would relinquish some of the marketing power he’d have in Hollywood or Brooklyn.
Could A Shoe Contract Be Standing In The Way Of One Of The Greatest Basketball Tandems Ever?
Then you look at the New York TV market: last year, 22,000 heads a night watched the Nets. 138,000 households watched the Knicks. That’s a lot of heads to potentially see Dwight Howard supporting your brand.
it's the reason he doesn't want rose and chicago
adidas endorsement.
Official member of the "DO NOT TRADE MARSHON "SWAG" BROOKS" Society!
id trade him
stevenson and hump to miami for Bosh and Cole and battier…
DollarBills said it best... We believe the rumors that are pro nets and disregard the rumors that are not...
I believe DWill definietly told the nets front office where he wants to go if dwight doesn’t come here.
how many pro net rumors have there been since the season started
everything has been lies speculation and bad reporting ignoring what the players are saying
by mightymosdefinition on Jan 21, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
we still believe the rumor that we are #1 on dwight's list. has he ever come out and said
“the nets are my numer 1 option”
every reporter
has conifrmed that we are his number one option…
D-Will has alluded to the fact that they want to pair up
and supposedly there was a deal that was agreed upon that was kicked back by magic ownership
by watchoutBLo on Jan 21, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Remember how we were saying Otis might do something stupid
and we were speculating on what dumb thing he would do in regards to the Dwight trade request that would ultimately blow up in his face, b/c he’s an expert at making dumb decisions that have a 1% chance of working out and a 99% chance of blowing up in his face?
This might be that thing.
only part
i dont believe is the part about the Knicks
i believe dwill would go to the knicks in a heartbeat...
superstars there, and he loves dantoni
Wow..this was the only game of the year i missed due to work
And these refs were terrible. Horrible officiating, even clear evidence showing Blake hit it out of bounds!! Costed us the game.
I dont thnik its a given DWILL leaves if we dont land Dwight..
He would have to take a hard look at his options.
If Dwight is traded to the Lakers, thus also crushing the idea of them playing together in Dallas, what are his other options?
Marshon, a solid draft pick, above average center in Brook and cap space. Nets might not be legit contenders right away but they will have young talent and flexibility.
by cody1234 on Jan 21, 2012 12:09 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
He's said many times
He does not want to rebuild.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
if DH12 falls apart, trade lopez for kendrick perkins and picks
sign nick young in the offseason and look for a good pg as well
"...but i never sat back feeling sorry for myself, if you don't give me heaven I'll raise hell..."
I strongly oppose that deal
I want EITHER Lopez or Howard
D-WIll + D12 = NETS 2012 Champs (with lots of luck)
by corky_romano4life on Jan 21, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
when was the last time a team won a championship without a strong defensive minded center?
a big man that takes up space and good screens and picks
"...but i never sat back feeling sorry for myself, if you don't give me heaven I'll raise hell..."
perkins? nooooo
and okc picks wont be worth much being that they are a very good team
yes, pair them up together,
unstoppable offense, diff is swag is a play maker
"...but i never sat back feeling sorry for myself, if you don't give me heaven I'll raise hell..."
Oh my god, dude.
Lopez for Perkins and picks!? That’s the worst trade proposal ever.
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
by BEB on Jan 21, 2012 12:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
lol wut?
Nets Mets Giants All day Every day.
Beware the Lopez
NY Giants Tribute
by netsareboss on Jan 21, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
uhh why? id rather just keep lopez
by William_H_HOLLA on Jan 21, 2012 2:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dwill
Marshon
Harrison Barnes (1st round pick)
Lopez
Howard…
DROOOL….absolute long shot, but we struck out so much in the past that our luck is bound to change…
That is the plan
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Deron, Dwight and a top draft pick SF
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 21, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I'm offically folowing and rooting for the Magic in every game.
2012 Lineup: D-Will - Brooks - AK47 - Lopez - D12... Book it!
yeah, except that, in thee playoffs, they need to be sweept in the 1st round, lol
2012 Lineup: D-Will - Brooks - AK47 - Lopez - D12... Book it!
ill be rooting
for the rockets and t’wolves unless they play the nets
by watchoutBLo on Jan 21, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pulling hard for the rockets to make the playoffs...
i want their pick this year. i’ll root for them against the nets if it meant we get their mid first round pick
Just root for the Nets
They’ll lose anyway.
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
by BEB on Jan 21, 2012 12:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah, can you explain me how exactly are the protections or how we maintain or get somebody draft picks?
I knew it, but I just don’t remenber anymore, the lockout was long
2012 Lineup: D-Will - Brooks - AK47 - Lopez - D12... Book it!
I'm rooting for the Lakers to lose
So they trade Gasol for some players and take themselves out of the Dwightstakes.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
I am rooting for the Lakers to lose and Magic to win
and us to hover around the 7th and 8th spot
Official member of the "DO NOT TRADE MARSHON "SWAG" BROOKS" Society!
I think lopez will thrive when he is put in a situation where he is not the #1 option on a team
he is not that type of player regarding his physical gifts or mental makeup. but marshon is. that’s why i am not too concerned about not getting howard. i think marshon is showing he is going to be a 20+ scorer in this league. if the nets use their lottery pick to get another scoring threat around lopez, i believe lopez will flourish not having the pressure of double teams and offenses focusing mainly on him.
Im pretty sure this is possible, unless im missing something
Maybe the T-Wolves wouldnt do this though…
Lets say Otis does hang on to Howard, and the Nets know they will…..
Would you trade Lopez and a pick to Minny for Love
Then sign Howard in the off-season?
Lopez and Loves salaries are equal
And we can resign D-Will and Love because we have their bird rights, and Love fits better next to Howard. We would also look more attractive then the Mavs in FA.
Just a thought, feel free to correct me if I am missing something that would prevent this.
Somebody said "FAIR WARNING"
Love may resign in the next few days...
2012 Lineup: D-Will - Brooks - AK47 - Lopez - D12... Book it!
that's just beyond dreaming
It will be already incredible to team up, DWill, Brooks, Lotto pick (M-KD) / AK47, Lopez and Howard. Getting Love to that lineup is just unreal, he’s untradeble, even more Lopez, hasn’t the contract Khan likes, he likes to stockpile talent with low salaries like Love, Lopez is in the same situation of a contract year and will demand big buckets.
2012 Lineup: D-Will - Brooks - AK47 - Lopez - D12... Book it!
Why would they trade Love for anyone? That's nuts!
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Deron, Dwight and a top draft pick SF
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 21, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
i honestly can i saw i dont care about dwight anymore, if he doesnt end up a net then bye DWill
and we end up rebuilding the RIGHT way.
"...but i never sat back feeling sorry for myself, if you don't give me heaven I'll raise hell..."
the nets have been rebuilding the "right way" for years
We are in a position to build a dynasty
for 3 years now the nets have been after superstars
where was the rebuilding plan???
"...but i never sat back feeling sorry for myself, if you don't give me heaven I'll raise hell..."
you can't be serious...
so pairing up VC with Devin harris was rebuilding? pawning off k mart and RJ was rebuilding? chasing lebron wade and bosh was rebuilding?? chasing carmelo was rebuilding?? chasing nene, chandler was rebuilding?? trading favors for and picks for DWIll is rebuilding??
"...but i never sat back feeling sorry for myself, if you don't give me heaven I'll raise hell..."
I have no idea where you dont see this as a process of rebuilding, what else is it??
We havent kept the same line up for much longer than a season, they are trying to build a title contender.
What is so wrong about the way the nets are building now anyways? is trying to aquire stars through a trade or free agency somewhat villafied now a days?
They are gambling a lot but can gain a lot, how is this crooked rebuilding? trades happen all the time, free agents sign with other star players all the time, what makes this so bad? This and the process that has gotten the Nets here is as much of rebuilding as any other team. I applaud BK and Nets management.
they have not been doing it the right way
bad signings, bad trades and bad draft picks.
well thats what rebuilding the "right way" is
it takes luck
im sure a bunch of teams who rebuilt through the draft thought they were doing it the right way
by mightymosdefinition on Jan 21, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
maybe but is scary for the nets rookies
no commitment to rookies what so ever
"...but i never sat back feeling sorry for myself, if you don't give me heaven I'll raise hell..."
W e have been re-building like crazy!
First we in one building, then we moved to a new building and we’re almost done building a new building to move into.
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Deron, Dwight and a top draft pick SF
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 21, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
I assume we’re getting Ryan Ruocco and The Czar tonight since Eagle and Spanarkel are working the sidelines for this one
id hope they bring in lunberg also and just have the saturday night crew just do terrible jokes for 3 hours
by mightymosdefinition on Jan 21, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Turrible
Just turrible
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
by BEB on Jan 21, 2012 12:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i want to know whos bright idea it was to bring in rucco any way
i never say this about announcers but he truly is god awful
you mean to tell me they couldnt find anyone better at all its like a drop over niagra fall how far the quality is from ian to that guy
why cant carrino do it
by mightymosdefinition on Jan 21, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
7+ ft. wingspan...
all around game and 2 way player…solid. This draft is stacked.
by BKNfastbreak on Jan 21, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
I would KILL
KILL…to have MKG at the 3, Marshon at the 2
by MrDollarBills on Jan 21, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, that is who I wan too. We would be set for years at the 2, 3 and 5
even after Deron is gone.
two wing players
with ungodly wing spans
eh, probably will never happen
by MrDollarBills on Jan 21, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
If the trade goes down, no.
But if Dwight comes as FA, wouldn’t surprise me of BK pulled something out of his posterior to make it happen.
Heck , if Dwight scome, same thing with Brook.
Actually wouldn’t mind that at all, if Dwight doesn’t come. Still try to pick up a stud PF in FA or trade
So this is who we want at SF next year?
So it shall be!
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Deron, Dwight and a top draft pick SF
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 21, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Here's my 2¢
I believe the Nets will trade for Dwight at the deadline. All this posturing about “he’ll have a $30 million haircut” is just to try to scare Dwight. As we have seen with every superstar who wants out, he goes where he wants AND gets his money.
I believe the deal will be Brook Lopez (Eric Gordon), Memo Okur (Kaman), Farmar, 2012 pick, maybe one more player (Aminu), maybe another pick. I am very hopeful it does not end up being MarShon Brooks, Lopez, Okur.
Lineup with best trade case scenario:
Deron, Brooks, Hedo, Hump, Howard. This I like.
But let’s say he either gets traded elsewhere or decides to stay with the Magic. I think the Nets will trade D-WIll for multiple pieces and we will still be fine.
HENCE — I am excited about the 2012-2013 team because in all scenarios, we are going to be ok. Better in some, but having Deron + MarShon + Lopez + cap + pick is a good start.
D-WIll + D12 = NETS 2012 Champs (with lots of luck)
by corky_romano4life on Jan 21, 2012 12:20 PM EST reply actions
if brooks isnt in the deal
Howard will be a Laker…
even if we think Lopez is better, Smith may feel bynum is better and apparently there fan base feels the same way too
by watchoutBLo on Jan 21, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
if brooks isnt in the deal
he will be a Laker…
what's your problem guys?
let him post if he wants to
excuse my bad english please
I’m not trying to be a jerk, but what’s the relevance of that message to anybody, including the guy who posted it?
keep posting em
just make sure ur not doing that during practice…..marshon…lol
by watchoutBLo on Jan 21, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, you have
MarShon is our favorite Net, and he’s starting he’s career with us
2012 Lineup: D-Will - Brooks - AK47 - Lopez - D12... Book it!
That is so awesome!
What’s Twitter?
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Deron, Dwight and a top draft pick SF
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 21, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
So hard to tell how a player’s game will translate to the pros. He looks great in college but the competition is so weak.
Similarly, how can you tell if a guy like Anthony Davis is going to be a smart defender when there’s no 3 second rule in college? He just camps in the lane waiting for blocks. Will he be smart enough to figure out how to do it in the NBA?
you do because of the potential factor...
but i get a feeling MKG is going to be the better pro
it is hard to tell, but as a team, you have to commit to developing your rookies,
not trade them off for other teams young players that they have developed
"...but i never sat back feeling sorry for myself, if you don't give me heaven I'll raise hell..."
Trying to learn Photoshop during a slow snowy day at work.
…posted it the Marshon thread, but that thread is quickly getting buried.
by Coach Joe on Jan 21, 2012 12:35 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
what kind of position is Marshon in, thats a really weird position he is in
by RandyOreens on Jan 21, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Nicee
Nets Mets Giants All day Every day.
Beware the Lopez
NY Giants Tribute
by netsareboss on Jan 21, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Very Cool bro,
put that in a Fan Post.
2012 Lineup: D-Will - Brooks - AK47 - Lopez - D12... Book it!
This definitely deserves more recs than it has
Nets Mets Giants All day Every day.
Beware the Lopez
NY Giants Tribute
Can someone copy and paste the rotoworld blurb
About Otis saying D12 threw Jameer Nelson under the bus with his requests to play with CP3 and D Will? I’m on my phone or else I would.
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
by BEB on Jan 21, 2012 12:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
wait
Otis is talking trash in public?
I can understand Jameer feeling disrespected but it is what it is man. He’s not on the level of those two guys.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 21, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
He said something along the lines
Of “indirectly throwing Jameer under the bus.”. Either way, he said it to someone. Not good IMO of him resigning if kept here against his will.
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
by BEB on Jan 21, 2012 12:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
here's the quote...
That’s the opinion of Magic general manager Otis Smith.
“You spend time [in the media] talking about Chris Paul or Deron Williams, but what position do they play?” Smith said. "It’s the same position that he plays. So, it’s not necessarily that he [Howard] is directly throwing him under the bus. But he’s indirectly throwing him under the bus.
“They’re the best of friends,” Smith continued, referring to Nelson and Howard. “They get along. They’ve had their talks about this whole thing. But the human side of it? It still bothers him a little bit.”
by BKNfastbreak on Jan 21, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
I Dwight really stays in Orlando till free agency, that means a better draft pick for us.
It’s just incredible what we could do in the summer.
2012 Lineup: D-Will - Brooks - AK47 - Lopez - D12... Book it!
yep
we either win big, or fail hard. There is no middle ground. Good.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 21, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
I don't expect the Magic to trade Howard
they do have a legitimate chance to compete for a championship this season.
to early to say
teams are just getting into game shape, warming up
"...but i never sat back feeling sorry for myself, if you don't give me heaven I'll raise hell..."
They're not winning a championship
Their wins:
Houston
New Jersey
Charlotte
Toronto
Washington
Sacramento
Portland
Golden State
New York
Charlotte
Lakers
by muwu on Jan 21, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
you never know
the only team in the league I think they would have absolutely no shot against in a 7 game series is Miami. The others are all beatable.
by GrandKenyon6 on Jan 21, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
the forces of nature
may be guiding us to build a little more organically. if we don’t get dwight, we have to pull for lopez to make a fully recovery, get a top draft pick and maybe a free agent signing. i’m not totally sold that deron is gone if we don’t get dwight. as otis smith pointed out, it’s hard to convince the wifey that you want to get a 30 million dollar haircut….
imagine something extremely witty here
going to check out poasting & toasting
just to boost my nba mood
imagine something extremely witty here
Net Income says endorsement money not as big a factor...
but with Rose landing 250 $ million contract, who knows what Adidas has already promised D12 for going to Brooklyn or LA
Extra bonus for Nets fans is Prohky’s commitment to making the Nets an International team and you know he will positively cultivate D12’s growth in China (where Adidas is truly growing with D Rose and his chinese fanbase)
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