Injuries Still Slowing Nets Progress
by Net Income on Jan 20, 2012 8:06 AM EST
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PrintWord out of Thursday's practice was that it was a lively, peppy affair. The Nets will need as much enthusiasm as they can muster this weekend with the season's first back-to-back-to-back starting Saturday. Again, they'll be playing hurt with Brook Lopez out all three, Damion James out the first two and Shawne Williams out at least for Saturday's game.
Lopez will become a fixture (in street clothes) on the bench and at PNY Center as he makes his way back from a broken foot. "It's exciting, you know, to be back there with the guys and everything like that. It's also tough for me to be on the sidelines," he said. "I was real anxious. I wanted to get in there, in the middle of that game. I was hoping Coach would call my number."
Meanwhile, Avery Johnson has been working with Marshon Brooks on his defense. Johnson said he had shown Brooks about 20 video clips of him on defense after Wednesday’s shootaround. Brooks said the coach was talking to him about his lack of focus on defense, particularly at the end of possessions.
- Injured Lopez eager to return - Pete Caldera - The Record
- Considering Dwight Howard trade rumors, Brook Lopez says he's not sure he is in organization's plans - Kristie Ackert - New York Daily News
- Brook Lopez unsure of future with Nets - Tim Bontemps - New York Post
- Nets' MarShon Brooks showing signs of improvement in defense, passing - Colin Stephenson - Star-Ledger
- Brooks’ maturation turning heads - Gregory Hrinya - Examiner
- Lopez on future: 'I don't know' - Mike Mazzeo - ESPN New York
- Brook Lopez will not be getting extension from New Jersey - Kurt Helin - NBC Sports
- Brook Lopez not joining Nets in Brooklyn? - Mark J. Miller - Yahoo! Sports
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With Westbrook signing a 5 yr. $78 million contract, there may now be another option if DWill asks to be traded just before March 15.
If DWill is about winning and doesn’t care about the extra money, the pairing with Durant is as good an option out there.
Still, I doubt DWill will ask to be traded, as long as Lopez returns in preseason form.
Not sure, but if its 60 days then it should just miss the deadline.
That could become a major concern if Lopez doesn’t return to form and DWill asks for a trade.
The DJames aggrevation is concerning.
Will this be what Brook Lopez has to look forward to next season, with a screw in his foot that can get irritated at any time? Not good for Brook’s trade value.
Regarding DJames, it appears that HE is the one not wanting to rush a return.
I understand brook's injury is on a favorable place on his foot
Fortunately, Brooks and our pick are much more valuable than at the beginning of the year. Even with bynum’s performance, I think we are in the driver’s seat for Dwight.
Larry Coon says that ORL isn't that in love with Bynum either
allegedly
by MrDollarBills on Jan 20, 2012 8:06 AM EST up reply actions
Which I've been saying for a while
Two Reasons We Shouldn’t Fear the Lakers (RE: Dwight)
http://www.netsdaily.com/2012/1/17/2715100/the-two-reasons-we-shouldnt-fear-the-lakers-re-dwight
by Anthony Perez on Jan 20, 2012 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
the screw in his foot is giving him discomfort
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
I was reading Herbak
Its said you should always fix things with what it’s made of. The screw , after it’s served it’s purpose needs to be removed. If it stays in, something will go wrong.
by Zartan on Jan 20, 2012 10:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
How Good Would We Be With Brook Next Year
Theres no guarantee we’d win a championship with Dwight although we’d be “Big Time” ’ we’d be in the mix … BUT anyone here rather be really, really good with Brook, DWill a draft pick/free agent and company rather than going the Dwight route & probably being better? Considering our history would you be happy being really good but not #1 and building more internally?
by KiddLetGoOfTheRope on Jan 20, 2012 8:06 AM EST via mobile reply actions
do you really think
that d-will has the patience for that?
by MrDollarBills on Jan 20, 2012 8:17 AM EST up reply actions
I think we could be sneakily good
I think Brook — when healthy (let’s not forget he’s had two seasons marred by mono and now the foot injury) — is a pretty reliable 22/8 type of guy.
Brooks is looking to be a pretty solid all around player capable of maybe 18-20/6/5 next year with more consistent playing time.
Hump is HUMP. You know you can get 14-16/10 out of him.
This is not a bad core, IMO. Trade Deron for a starting caliber PG and add a solid 3 in the off season and the team is right there.
While the East is pretty stacked with Chicago and Miami among the elite teams and second tier teams like Atlanta, Orlando, and Philly (surprisingly), they are all beatable with Brook+Brooks in the mix, I believe. Those two will really help each other’s games with either of them capable of commanding a double team when they’re on the top of their game.
I’m in with the folks that think that even if we don’t get Dwight and we end up trading Deron, the team is not looking bad. We can get a starting quality PG in return for Deron and either draft or sign a starting quality SF next year.
by cdigs on Jan 20, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Why would Indiana do that?
Deron will walk.
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a bit too optimistic
yet I’m going to be a bit too pessimistic so it balances out. Realize that we’ve struck out on every major FA signing for the last few years. Although we never pulled on Nene because we thought we were getting Dwight (which is understandable) the ONLY reason Nene or Chandler or any of the FA’s were thinking of coming here was because of Deron Williams. If he requests a trade and we have to move him then realize that we will once again (as if we aren’t already) going to be the laughing stock of the NBA.
i’m not saying we can’t improve the team due to trades and/or drafts but in terms of FA signings, and in terms the way the NBA, Media, Fans, etc. few our franchise will be damaged for years and years to come.
Clippers have a solid squad (incomplete if you ask me, you can’t alley-oop your way to the NBA championship) but it took then a decade to get there. Knicks now have good players (not necessarily a good team) and it took them literally a decade to get there. They went to the playoffs last year but the last time before that was against the nets and were swept…like 9 years ago.
It’s not the end of the world if we lose Deron, I’ll be a fan regardless if we don’t win another game this season but being the NBA league joke for 10 years isn’t how I want it to go.
Enough with the building internally conversations
IT’S OVER. How hard is it to understand that the Nets aren’t willing to do that right now?
by ZR on Jan 20, 2012 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
And going into Brooklyn, I don't blame them
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They have to win going into Brooklyn, and as long as Howard still wants the Nets, that should be their #1 priority
You have a real chance at having two superstars on one team, you do it. No questions asked. If anyone thinks otherwise, they’re just not paying attention to what Billy King is doing or what Mikhail Prokhorov has said about the intention of this franchise.
by ZR on Jan 20, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
His brother recovered.... James is just injury prone...
whats with the hype with james… hes not the type of player that will make a significant impact to this team…
Brook Lopez / Robin Lopez Injury
I do wonder if there is going to be issues going forward. I say that because although they are twins and if one recovers fine the other has a great chance to as well, I don’t think Robin Lopez is nearly as good as Brook Lopez. I’m don’t know if it’s because the Sun’s don’t really have that much use for him while they have other players and we depend mainly on Brook for our low post…everything.
I don’t want to him to have any issues and I"m assuming he’ll be just fine, but the thought has occured to me.
Lakers dont look good
probably will go after D12 ASAP
Johnson said he had shown Brooks about 20 video clips of him on defense after Wednesday’s shootaround.
well that paid off. He did pretty good on defense.
"Beware the Ides of March."
i love the fact
that he’s willing to be coached, and he learns from mistakes.
To me he gets better as the weeks go by
by MrDollarBills on Jan 20, 2012 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
Brooks has the head to be a top flight player long-term
That’s half the battle.
by ZR on Jan 20, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
he's going to be a top flight player
I have zero doubts.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 20, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
oh to go along with
48%FG 41% from 3
efficiency thy name is MarShon
by MrDollarBills on Jan 20, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
Kenyon's rookie season wasn't that great statwise....
Probably Keith Van Horn and his 19.7 PPG and 6.6 RPG… Though he only shot 42%.
Currently ranked 38th in the NBA in Hollinger PER
Between Wade and Zach Randolph…. and as I typed that I just realized he’s being sandwiched by two guys plagued with injuries this season.
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the fact that he's top 50 in "PER"
is pretty damn good xD
by MrDollarBills on Jan 20, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
the 2nd place in FG%
is what really sold me. I mean, everyone that passed him up said he was too old and was a chucker in college. Dude is 2nd in the NBA for FG% as a SG. That was obviously not a real concern.
Him being too old is also silly IMO because i bet you it’s that extra year or two experience in college that is helping hold him down. It’s also where I feel he gets his confidence to just go at anyone in the NBA knowing he can score against him.
Its all in how you look at it
We Traded D Harris, Favors, and the #3 pick for DWill which sounds like alot but
Derrick Favors is playing more like the #25 and Starshon is playing like a #3 pick so you can look at it like we got DWill for
D Harris, #25 pick, #3 pick
Starshon Brooks A.K.A the Swag Mamba
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jan 20, 2012 8:53 AM EST reply actions
Please dont call him Starshon
sounds like starbury. If Brooks makes a video crying wearing vaseline i am blaming you,and only you
What if he doesn't videotape it?
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Well, i guess we just have to pay close attention
in this case a ashy MarShon is a mentally healthy MarShon
With Favors, we were looking for glimpses of what the future might bring
With MarShon (who obviously has more experience being 3-4 years older), he’s already showing us what he can be on a nightly basis.
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I just think about ceiling. Marshon is a couple years older, and I don’t see him becoming Kobe…I guess anything can happen.
You are exactly right though, Favors has 3 years be where Marshon is now. Think about that. We are all excited about Marshon’s potential…Favors has about two to three YEARS to reach Marshon’s age now! I still see Favors as a possible Dwight Howard. He may never be a dominant big man on offense, but I think he can be really special.
Favors will always be that guy with potenial ala Warrick, Ty Thomas, Bender
Starshon has no where to go but up. Avery has been reluctant to turn the offense over to him but each game he loosens the leash more and more.
Starshon Brooks A.K.A the Swag Mamba
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jan 20, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
First of all, Tyrus has had some very good years and is a productive player in the league, he was also picked 4, Favors 3, and Tyrus is only 25…put him on an important team before you mock him.
Hakeem Warrick was picked, what, 20? The “potential” is way different.
Bender, again picked after Favors, actually had HUGE talent and played great for that Pacers team before his career was derailed by injuries…
There are guys who are all potential and flail out, but picking an injured guy, a guy who was picked at 20, and a 25 year old isn’t the way to make that argument.
Favors has tons of potential. People said the same thing about Dwight Howard v Emeka…Dwight just kept getting better. Favors keeps getting better.
Also, I like Marshon, especially if he plays better D and passes the ball a bit more, but I don’t think the potential has the same height as Favors.
Also, I’d rather have Alec Burks.
MarShon is currently ranked 5th in SG's in the LEAGUE in PER
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/sg
And he’s a rookie who hasn’t figured out exactly how to play the game yet. If you don’t think this kid’s ceiling is pretty high, I disagree with you strongly.
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I like PER, but I think it’s too early to look at it. There are a lot of funny things in there. And I agree, Marshon looks fantastic. However, so did Brandon Jennings, but then he kind of just stayed the same. I don’t think Marshon is bad or anything, just not the next Kobe. I think bigs win championships, and you build around your best players, and Favors was a PERFECT compliment to Lopez…the Tyson Chandler to Lopez’s Dirk…at least in my head that’s what it was in 5 years.
yea i have no idea what you are talking about
comparing Marshon to Brandon Jennings? Jennings cant shoot and can only drive one direction—yet he shoots all the time, hence his terrible FG%.
Sure any player could stop progressing. For example: Blake Griffin, Ricky Rubio, Tyreek Evans (already has), Derrick Favors… What if what if what if.. Anything CAN happen.
But thats all youre bringing to the table here. That anything can happen. Ok.
However, what we actually know today is that sure Favors is big and athletic. That about it right now on him.
What we know today about Marshon? Well, Marshon isn’t just blessed with terrific physical tools (for his position) which add to his “potential” and “ceiling”, he is a scoring genius—a rare gem in the history of the NBA. There are very few players that come into the league with his scoring talent.
Sure in the future, what if. He could stop progressing. But at the looks of it, he looks like he will only get better. There is no feasible argument (besides “what if”) suggesting he will level out or regress. Everything points to Marshon having vast success. I would suggest that Marshon can improve as a player even more so than Blake Griffin (not saying he will be a BETTER player, just suggesting he can improve more than him), since Blake has already shown his limitations—and they are vast. Until Marshon gives an indication that he cannot succeed as a premier shooting guard in the NBA, then and only then can you suggest that he will stop progressing. As of now, the skys the limit.
And btw, just because your user name is Sadnetsfan, doens’t mean you have to be one.
I dunno
Dwight’s 2nd year in the league, as a kid right out of high school, he averaged 15 and 12.
Favors 2nd year he’s at 7 and 6.
He will never be a Dwight, I don’t think he even has the same kind of passion for the game. But I do think he’ll eventually be a 15 / 8 guy.
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I see what you are saying, but the situations are different.
I didn’t see the passion either, but I think that was because he was with the Nets honestly (of course, all his pre-draft interviews and stuff like that further the idea that he isn’t very passionate) but, IDK, throwing that ball in frustration, playing in front of that Jazz crowd on a competitive team…it could light a fire in him.
Worst case scenario he can be a 10/10 guy who plays fantastic defense, is always running on the break, and gives great effort.
He also seems to be a great rebounder.
Favors
I don’t think Favors has the ability to become a star because of his basketball IQ, intelligence, etc. Call it whatever you want, he has the physical attributes to be good, but I don’t think he has the mental capabilities.
And I don’t mean he’s dumb, I mean he’s just not there mentally vs physically. That may change but right now I don’t see it nor did I see it when he was playing for the nets. Dude looked lost like he didn’t know what was going on half the time he played.
That 2-3 year difference might be the world because as of now Marshon has the confidence and mental IQ to be a good efficient and dominant scorer. Favors needs to have a big year with Utah for me to change my thinking and so far he hasn’t. I think this season he’s averaging 7.6 and 6?
I like Devin Harris
but he isn’t exactly giving Utah a 20 and 10 game either. In terms of that Dwill I think we came out on top definitely. The people who said we gave up too much in the media are just pissed because we drove up the asking price for Melo from the Knicks.
Of course…if Dwill leaves next year….then we lost big time.
but yeah
he’s to Dwight playing out the season with Orlando, giving them a last hurrah, and then quickly signing with us when FA begins so we can extend Brook and go into BK with a killer core
Don’t see us being able to extend Lopez in that scenario. You figure if nothing Orlando will offer him max or near max money. We won’t be able to match that and I don’t see Lopez leaving the money on the table.
by jcrack82 on Jan 20, 2012 10:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
OT but here's highlights of my man Big Mac in Springfield yesterday
http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2012/1/20/2720440/jordan-williams-nets-nba-d-league
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
by Atronic on Jan 20, 2012 9:11 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Jordan Williams is trash and doesnt get a nickname, we should have picked Parsons
Starshon Brooks A.K.A the Swag Mamba
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jan 20, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
Why havent we made this trade yet?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7egkt5p
Starshon Brooks A.K.A the Swag Mamba
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jan 20, 2012 9:13 AM EST reply actions
God I love reporters
And it isn’t even clear if Lopez wants to be with the Nets.
When asked on Thursday at his first practice back if he would like to remain with the organization, the Star-Ledger reports that he said, "I don’t know. I’d like to be (with the Nets)
smh
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"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
they write whatever they want to
facts aren’t pertinent to reporters today. Telling THEIR own story is what matters.
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