Power Rankings: Nets Down Again
by Net Income on Jan 2, 2012 2:14 PM EST
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PrintIt's been a while since the Nets rose above #20 in the Power Rankings, maybe in early 2008-09 when Devin Harris and Vince Carter were dropping 30 points on alternate nights. Not since. Not that we can recall. And with fans fearing the worst (12-70 worst) and Deron Williams unable to sleep, it's hard to be optimistic.
That pessimism is reflected in the first full power rankings of the season. John Schuhmann ranks the Nets at 28th. He offers that "Williams' supporting cast is pretty awful without Brook Lopez and that the Nets' schedule is toughest early". Marc Stein goes worst case scenario noting that if things get worse, Deron Williams could leave, "So, yeah, it's panic time already".
- Power Rankings: No Surprise: Heat and Thunder Start Strong - John Schuhman - NBA.com
- NBA Basketball Power Rankings - Week 1 - Marc Stein - ESPN
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I miss the days with Kidd-Carter-RJ
where we were top 5
When can i get my Dwight Howard Brooklyn Nets Jersey?
by AmbassadorAmeer on Jan 2, 2012 2:17 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRH5YLL7VsE
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
Obviously we could argue over this, but I think the Nets right now are probably one of the worst teams in the NBA to root for…
Outside of Toronto, Cleveland, Detroit, Charlotte, Washington, Phoenix I think it would be more fun to be a fan of any other team
Suns fans have it rough right now
but don’t forget they were in the WCF just two years ago. what success have we had lately?
Its NOT panic time
"Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
VC was a leader
He was 32 and still had a young and not so good team fighting for a playoff spot. He made Devin an AllStar that year.
by Andres B on Jan 2, 2012 2:24 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, that roster was atrocious outside of Devin and Vince
by dwill8brooklynbound on Jan 2, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
and somehow the roster got even worse than that
Boone, Swat, Simmons, Hayes, Yi, Hassel, Dooling, RA, CD-R, Brook at that stages in their career with Harris and VC would crush any nets lineup after that season up to current day
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 2, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
And made Brook dunk the ball
Brook was probably the league leader in dunks before last season, when Brook forgot how.
A lot fans have this unhealthy obsession with attacking Devin Harris
He was a Great PG for our team but he needed a scorer with him , which is why VC and Harris were a great pair.
When can i get my Dwight Howard Brooklyn Nets Jersey?
by AmbassadorAmeer on Jan 2, 2012 2:29 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
beadle :(
Official member of the I Love You Jerry25 Club
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by phatman00 on Jan 2, 2012 2:32 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 5 recs
Great?
Great my moiso
He couldn’t run the pick and roll
Held the ball for 15secs
Never got Brook the ball in the 3rd Q
Came into camp out of shape and got injured early to start the 12-70 season when he was supposed to step up and be a leader
Look at how well Utah is doing
No
VC was never selfish. Dude was the greatest scorer to play the game! Bron and James were gifted to play basketball , Kobe and Jordan worked at their craft and took it serious.
When I say Vince was the greatest scorer, I mean that he could not be stopped and could brake Wilts record if he felt to. Vince was just always too damn nice. Stilly most favorite to play the game and that’s saying a lot , cause he was a punk/nice.
wow...i cant imagine us winning a game looking at the schedule
Dwight or bust....
Superbowl or bust...
I think we’ve collectively reached the next stage of Nets Fandoom: acceptance. We had our annual episode of hope (D12 coming!), next denial (we can possibly make playoffs with this roster!), and now acceptance (yup, we stink!).
by nynjlawyer on Jan 2, 2012 2:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Our next win is on...
March 21st. The day we play Washington.
Sheridan was almost right. His only mistake in preseason rankings is that he couldn’t anticipate Wizards would suck more than Nets.
If we play the same lineups as yesterday we won't beat the Wizards
At one point it was shelden will, hump, DJ/Stevenson, Morrow, Gaines.
He played that lineup twice for a decent amount of time.
No scoring whatsoever
Idk about you guys
But I hate starting DWill at SG. Horrible decision by Avery. You take the playmaking away from him and could explain his struggles.
by djeterfan on Jan 2, 2012 2:41 PM EST via Android app reply actions
The thing that pisses me off the most is that he had the audacity to say that we can't keep
playing both of our point guards because d will can’t chase players around because he gets tired.
Knowing this he keeps doing it. smh
Didnt you guys know.....
Avery is so much smarter than everyone of us, players, coaches, gms, scouts, etc……he is the only one that knew the potential of outlaw, djames as a starter, brooks as a benchwarmer, dwill as a 2 guard and most importantly sundiata gaines as a starting pg!!!!
He’s brilliant!!!!!!!!
Section15 Row 12 Seats 1&2
by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jan 2, 2012 2:48 PM EST reply actions
Don't forget
Petro and GrahaMVP
"Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa." -- Casey Stengel
by calling all toasters on Jan 2, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Gaines is a 3rd pg on any other team
Go back to standard lineup of Dwill/Farmar/Gaines
Gaines takes way too much dribbles to get into rhythm its killing our offense.
Wdf is Avery doing
We could use Farmar's offense and shooting
why this guy is playing Deron Williams as the 2 guard makes NO SENSE.
Its like having a 2 guard who doesnt want to score, because Deron 100% does NOT want to score, he is constantly passing to teammates who either cant score or are in a bad position to score.
He is trying to distribute too much, essentially saying — hey, look, I have no one to help me, get me some help or Im gone.
Marshon in Avery's dog house now
look for big minutes from Gaines, damian janes and a 20-30 point loss
In the doghouse
if this coach was consious of back to backs, etc – he wouldnt have played Deron till the bitter end down 25 to Orlando, knowing we had another game the next day.
The coach is horrible. He is not the guy that will lead a franchise to titles.
i hope avery didn't think he was keeping him fresh
when the game last night was winnable
More Swag Please
Marshon will learn quickly that he CANT make ANY mistakes w Avery
if he makes a mistake he will NOT PLAY.
No leeway given to rookies from this guy Avery. He would rather have Gaines play big minutes
i expect a win evry game
"Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Its really depressing for the last 5 years we havent watched winning basketball...
and im getting sick of hearing every year its about next year
during 12-70 it was about next year
last year it was about using the cap space we got to put a team around Deron
now its about Brooklyn
When we dont get anyone next year it will keep going
lets get him! johan, farmar and 2 first rounderts
"Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Have not been impressed with Dwill in his time here
possibly one of the most overrated players in the league
For the last 2 years, Avery has been in charge
Gaines has become a starter
Graham has played a ton of minutes
Outlaw signed to a 5 year deal
Petro signed to a 3 year deal
Damion James is starting
Deron is playing sg
AVERY IS A JOKE
Marshon in the doghouse
he may not see the floor much over the next few weeks. Looks like Avery will be using Gaines for big minutes.
Avery appreciates the workhorse types (Graham, Gaines, and veterans)
Marshon has potential Kobe Bryant type of scoring talent, but Avery prefers a gritty guy like Gaines
proof
i want it
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
by BEB on Jan 2, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
watch tonights game
see gaines get big minutes — the starting PG!
that doesn't prove anything
gaines was starting before Marshon blew up for 3 consecutive games
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
by BEB on Jan 2, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Then you explain
we didnt need scoring last night? Brooks has been BENCHED.
I just bought a soda
just realized I coulda bought Nets tickets with that money :(
wait
he’s a former lottery pick. I thought they were collecting the set (Thabeet, Jonny Flynn, TWill, etc.).
"Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa." -- Casey Stengel
by calling all toasters on Jan 2, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Hate to say it but Chris Sheridan doesn't look so dumb right now
for putting the Nets at 30 in the pre-season. They are the worst team in the league. They got blown out by another bottom 5 team last night.
i hate almost every player on the cavs
"Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
kyrie irving said he grew up dreaming of playing for NJ
scoff
by William_H_HOLLA on Jan 2, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
hes one of the few, i dont despise lol
"Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
if we won that hawks game...
were 3-2 right now
"Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
this
"Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
and this shows how
a 2 game swing can change the outlook on the season thus far… its too soon to judge
"Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
we had a huge comeback against washington
and then got blown out at home the next game. momentum only work when you’re actually talented.
Washington isn't a very good team
Beating a good team (The Hawks) and then playing a bad team (The Cavs) afterwards should give you a much higher chance of winning
Maybe your right but..
Avery has been playing with rotations since he got here, it’s cool when a player like Graham gives you a spark to get in the game but starting caliber players have to finish. Clowns like Petro , Sheldon a and Outlaw should never finish because they played well all game . Those players will allway find a way to lose.
If Avery continues with his line up and rotation follies, we can only expect to lose.
no
"Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa." -- Casey Stengel
by calling all toasters on Jan 2, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
momentum..
Good come from behind win against the Wizards,…. (momentum to home opener).. killed at home.
by Steven Hutchinson on Jan 2, 2012 3:33 PM EST reply actions
momentum doesnt work when youre going against a good team after the win.
it has to be a bad one. cavs, wizards, etc.
exactly,,, thats why if we beat the hawks (good team)
we wouldve beaten the cavs (poor team)
"Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
from basketbawful:
Pacers at Nyets, 7:30pm: The Pacers are likewise 3-1, but are shooting 38.5% from the field so far this season. They have not cracked the 40% mark in any of their games so far. Worst in the league.
…And the Nyets are second-worst at 38.7%.
The NBA better burn all video evidence of this game the second the final buzzer sounds.
I still don’t think we’ll beat the Pacers, but I wasn’t aware they were shooting THAT bad. maybe there’s a shot…?
they're feasting on bad teams
that are even more flawed then they are. we are one of those teams.
they will shoot at least 54% as a team tonight
thank goodness Dunleavy isnt around to collect his usual 25 point quota against the Nets
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 2, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Pacers will shoot 50% tonight
Someone on the Pacers will hit a half-court shot. Probably Jeff Foster.
Dont forget T-handsbrough
and wont be surprised if darren c. destroys us considering Teague did.
I don't even think Gaines is that bad
in fact he’s been better than Farmar. it’s just that he’s getting way too many minutes and is handling the ball more than D-Will, which is just messed up.
He isn't that bad...he gives you energy...but he can't be running our offence 34 min a game.
especially with the roster that we have we would need an all-star true point guard to have a chance to win games…I wonder where we can find one?
I like him as the backup 1.
He’s useless off-the-ball on offense, though. And DWill needs to be handling the ball. Which means he should be coming off the bench and probably playing w/ a guy like Morrow, trying to create wide-open shots and playing pesky defense.
please don't try to act like avery is a better coach than L Frank
he has the pistons playing competitive basketball with a terrible roster
by William_H_HOLLA on Jan 2, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
have you watched them play? they actually play basketball
running plays on offense, double teaming scorers on defense etc… not just pass the ball around the perimeter until the shot clock is down and someone has to force up a bad shot. also they beat the pacers who will be in the playoffs this year. but that should be obvious after they wipe the floor with the nets tonight.
by William_H_HOLLA on Jan 2, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
no i havent watched them play
why would i put in effort to watch the pistons play? i already have to watch one terrible basketball team several times a week.
he is
we dont have to act like it because he is
by mightymosdefinition on Jan 2, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Hell, I still miss this guy
"Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa." -- Casey Stengel
by calling all toasters on Jan 2, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Kevin Michael Loughery...He coached the Nets from 1973-1980.
Won two ABA titles with the Nets and was John Sterlings (Yankees) best bud according to Sterling…
If only we had John Sterling’s clever witticisms backing our players up we’d be winning games!
Get him to the station! A fueled-up dunk by the Petroleum giant!
John Sterling actually broadcasted Nets games back in the seventies...
He was actually crazier back then…
he even broadcast a few years ago
on yesnetwork as a fill in guy for ian eagle or marv alberts. He said something like…carter for 3…bulls-eye!
by num1netsnut on Jan 2, 2012 6:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wont watch
I had tickets but after last night i gave them away. No way i drive all the way up to Newark for this type of product
Marshon VS Iman: Bring the rivalry on my nuiikkkass!!!
Avery's rotation is horrible
The starting lineup should be:
DWILL
MORROW
D JAMES
HUMP
OKUR
Gaines backs up dwill
Brooks is the 6th man for morrow
shawne williams/desean stevenson comes off the bench for james
shelden, hump, and okur rotate the PF/Center spots
Shawne is not giving energy off the bench
Avery gave him hope to start and I don’t think he ever got a chance. Start the guy and get James energy off the bench. James will give you the same effort no matter what.
ALL YOU GUYS ARE NUTS
all of you keep talking stupi in saying fire avery….blah blah…or deron is overrated…blah blsg….do you not realize who is on our team?….we have not one person who deron trusts to score…deron is a great point guard…but when you give him nothing to work with and expect him to shoot 22 times a game your not getting the real deron williams…your taiing him out of his game….its horrible that he has to go thru this but I HOPE TO GOD billy king has dwight howards word he won sign newhere else….or you can say bye to deron and hello to project rebuild….
deron is a great point guard..... who is now the starting SG because of avery
who i would bet money is not the coach next season, and someone else will have to come clean this mess up
by William_H_HOLLA on Jan 2, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
We have Deron
Which is more than what a lot of teams have but it doesn’t seem so. Outlaw is not nearly as bad as he was here. Avery has no offensive system. They put one together yesterday and looked ok for a change , Avery sabotaged the game with dumb constant substations .
Hawks are ok but we should have beaten them. We are way better than we play and it’s been like this for years.
Avery will not know what to do with Howard and Dwill. Guess he’ll hope for the best.
he has to play the two
Hes our only scorer…and gaines has steped.up bigtime…avery isnt goig anywhere….no.coach wud do.good.with this team…were horrible…its not the.coach its the players hes coaching…D LEAGUE MATERIAL
by netsfan247 on Jan 2, 2012 4:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
he likes D Leaguers
he pursues them as free agents and plays them a lot.
"Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa." -- Casey Stengel
by calling all toasters on Jan 2, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
I have no problem with gaines but you can’t bench marshon for breaking from the offense when gaines always does that. Both players are aggressive, and we need that esp with brook on the shelf.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 2, 2012 4:40 PM EST via Android app reply actions
hopefully avery worked out the kinks with brooks
and he is able to really run the offense well tonight and play
ITS A VVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEEEEE
We should not get upset at Avery this is Dwill doing he want play off the ball.
Shakedaddy
by Thebrotherz on Jan 2, 2012 4:44 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
This is what I’ve been saying.
"Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa." -- Casey Stengel
by calling all toasters on Jan 2, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
I think Deron will move to SF
Gaines to the 2
Petro to the 1 (but he’ll crouch down)
"Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa." -- Casey Stengel
by calling all toasters on Jan 2, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
It’s both a problem with the players and the coaching.
We all know this but we’d feel better if we had a scapegoat who we could replace and suddenly the team would be better.
That’s why you hear comments like, “if we can just sign AK47 we’ll be a playoff team” or “Avery’s rotations are horrible, if I was the coach I would be starting DeShawn Stevenson at the 2.”
I'm sure
as soon as we get rid of Outlaw and Graham things will get better.
"Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa." -- Casey Stengel
by calling all toasters on Jan 2, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone else think we're doing a calculated tank job right now?
Or are we really this bad?
Even if we were winning games and Dwight was traded here, we would still need an off-season to add some more players to become a serious contender. Tanking allows us to have a much more valuable draft pick for a trade, or it allows us to draft a great player in a deep draft.
I doubt we calculate anything.
"Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa." -- Casey Stengel
by calling all toasters on Jan 2, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
big baby looks like he just saw someone drop a perfectly good bacon cheeseburger
by William_H_HOLLA on Jan 2, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Deron Williams looks like someone who saw the person made that "perfect good bacon cheeseburger"
Nets Mets Giants ALL DAY
Wow, the grammar here is slowly degrading. I accidentally wrote ‘perfect’ instead of ‘perfectly’ but I’m not even sure what you’re trying to say.
The pacers 3 wins came against cupcakes
…they are definitely better than us, but this game is somewhat winnable since their offense seems to be almost as brutal as ours.
everyone said the same thing about the Cavs
ITS A VVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEEEEE
im just saying though
we keep saying these games are winnable, but the Nets always find some way to mess it up…hopefully the pacers don’t catch fire tonight and we can contain granger
ITS A VVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEEEEE
The Nets WILL start playing better basketball
we won’t be “good” but these are games we should be able to be competitive in.
thing is, almost every game is "winnable"
this is the NBA, these are professional basketball teams, anything can happen on any given night. doesn’t mean it’s likely, but hell the Bobcats almost beat the Heat. that slim chance of us pulling out the win is why I continue to watch.
The Bobcats actually have a linup and they're not stupid enough to put their best
point guard at shooting guard the entire game,
This team can win but Deron has to get assists and run every chance he can that’s how you get easy buckets.
we are one of those cupcakes
we’re also coming off a game last night while they’ve had a rest day.
True story...I couldn't make this up.
I went to the dentist today to get a tooth pulled and they took my blood pressure.
It seem it’s way too high. They told me I would have to lower my blood pressure before they could pull my tooth.
They gave me a list of the eight top causes of high blood pessure and hypertension…
1) Smoking
2) Being overweight or obese
3) Lack of physical activity
4) Too much salt in the diet
5) Too much alcohol consumption (more than 1 to 2 drinks per day)
6) Stress
7) Older age
8) Watching Nets Basketball
I guess I’m a goner any day now…hopefully tonight.
I'm going to say tht the number 1 reason for you is...
Watching Nets Basketball… and cuz ur age, its ALOT of Nets basketball
Nets Mets Giants ALL DAY
just to change the subject from the doom and gloom.....these are the sickest jerseys!!!!!
Section15 Row 12 Seats 1&2
by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jan 2, 2012 5:29 PM EST reply actions
what a picture
"Dear Mark - You showed the world not only what a great team you have, but also, that you can remain silent for a period of weeks--I don't know which is more shocking!"
DWill Era- 7-18
No. Avery is a troll. Avery will limit MarShon's minutes just because of us
DWill oop to D12
Otis Smith makes Travis Outlaw look like Avery Johnson
no way
not with avery
"Dear Mark - You showed the world not only what a great team you have, but also, that you can remain silent for a period of weeks--I don't know which is more shocking!"
DWill Era- 7-18
Avery had to have been saving MarShon for today
when we need him more. Only thing that makes sense
Nets Mets Giants ALL DAY
Hey anyone want two free tickets to tonight's game?
Was actually going to go, staying optimistic. Gimme ur e-mail address n ill forward you the tickets. Just print em out.
There is no such thing as a free ticket to a Nets game...
You will always end up paying one way or another.
The sad thing is these guys aren’t even a young team. These are mostly veterans from winning programs, playing with no heart here. Again, when all these guys hear that no one is untouchable, everybody thinks this team is temporary, so they don’t put in the all out effort. In the past we stunk because it was a bunch of kids, now we have some proven vets and they’re all out of sorts.
Basketball is Really Crazy
Watching the lackluster Suns leading the Looking Good Warriors.
On any given day, anybody can beat anybody…………unless the teams is……..
the one with the player who says he cannot sleep.
Yeah, there’s so much parity now, the NBA got their wish.. not!
Everyone is expecting great basketball right away but these guys are all still rusty. They had a huge lay-off and then were expected to get back into game shape in a ridiculously short amount of time.
Deron should have been ready to go from his time in Turkey but in reality the two leagues are completely different. The talent over here is so vastly superior to the talent in Turkey that it was outrageous that anybody really expected Deron to be in all star form out of the gate.
Maybe Not All Star Form..........
But awake, for goodness sake.
by Lady in Texas on Jan 2, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
You mean a team of
Brooks and a Lopez, Favors, Kanter(Maybe Kemba to replace Devin) frontcourt + 2 more picks in this year’s draft? Yeah same
Nets Mets Giants ALL DAY
Meh
maybe we’ll get lucky in a draft or so. I thought he was talking about building thro draft and getting young homegrown players
Nets Mets Giants ALL DAY
Oh well yeah
We’d have to either get lucky and draft and amazing player, get the #1 pick, or BK has to get the right player
Nets Mets Giants ALL DAY
hopefully he plays
ITS A VVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEEEEE
I really hope he plays
Or I’d consider a win to be if we lose by only 12 points
Nets Mets Giants ALL DAY
Hollinger
Interesting comment from Avery. Said they’re playing small backcourt til next time they change lineup in a couple games.
not a fan of these lineup changes.
just make a decision and stick to it. and pit.dwill back in his natural position. why are we tanking? why did I get season tickets? why did the lockout end? why will I still be.glued to the screen at 730 when jayz and proky can go 0-82 and ish is still gravy?
Had to think about it for a little bit.. I think Avery is trying to say that he’s going to have to change the starters up every now and then to get these guys some extra rest because of the grueling schedule this season.
A lot of teams are probably going to be doing the same thing but only Avery can make it sound so stupid.
yesss
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ITS A VVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEEEEE
lol don't expect much man...
Petro will be getting major mins, with shawne williams backing up the pf spot as well
That's a given. The real question is how many T/O by Deron.... I say 4
DWill oop to D12
Otis Smith makes Travis Outlaw look like Avery Johnson
OT but did anyone see the NBA.com standings
For some reason the Knicks are in the 4 seed spot when they should be 8th. LOL the NBA really does love them
by dwill8brooklynbound on Jan 2, 2012 7:02 PM EST reply actions
Why wouldn't NBA love Knicks: They're the _only_ NBA team in the huge metro-NY market
DWill oop to D12
Otis Smith makes Travis Outlaw look like Avery Johnson
We are going to lose by 25 tonight, book it.
Also, how did we assemble a roster that is somehow worse than the 12-70 team?
bye bye Marshon
orlando will totally want this kid, hope they stay dumb enough not to ask for him
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