Oj Mayo is better than Morrow!!!
by KingKoehl on Jan 19, 2012 12:52 PM EST
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Let's skip all the foreplay and get right to the facts... 1- Morrow is ONE dimensional, he shoots three's... Thats it!!! 2- Morrow can't play defense, missed assignments, he's lost and hasn't gotten better in 3+ years. 3- Morrow would have to score 20 + pts a game just to make up for his defense he this tear averages 11.9 PPG 4- Morrow can spread the floor with his 3pt shooting again refer to 1. Ok, lets talk Mayo... 1- He's a way better athlete then Morrow, he can score in variety of ways including creating his own shot. 2- DEFENSE... yes he's actually a pretty good defensive player 3- career avgs of 15.7 PPG 3.4 RPG 2.7 APG 1.1 SPG those stats would look much better and improve as a starter!!!
Ok, so why are people so high on Morrow because he can shoot a 3??? sorry to break it to you the best players in NBA Wade, James, Kobe, paul,they all play both sides of ball. Even Dirk plays enough defense and rebounds. Morrow shoots 3's thats all...lol
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It all depends on fit and money
I agree Mayo is better (not tremendously but still better) but what do we need and can we still sign Dwight after the deal?
Mayo makes more money but we could use him the rest of the year and not pick up his option to free cap space. If we do try and keep him we will need to make other moves (Farmar, James, S. WIlliams, Petro) to free up more room for Dwight cause his cap hold will cut into our tight cap window as it is.
Not wasting cap space on Mayo cause there is only one goal and that’s signing Dwight. It sounds great to swap them from a b-ball standpoint but it might not be financially
Good points
I was just responding to the posts about how that be a bad trade player wise… Actually it also would make sense salary wise since Mayo is a restricted FA which means we could Match or let walk and use cap space. I heard a lot of great points in response and i agree with most, Marshon Brooks is looking like the real deal and besides what some people say i can see him being a very good defender if he keeps up the energy and continues to improve. Brooks has great wing span and from what ive seen plays hard just needs to learn position and rotation on defense. I’m looking at this as a trade that would keep DWill and attract Dwight if he makes free agency… If DWill is sold on Brooks being a STAR then great if not then Mayo no doubt would make Nets more attractive with Brooks coming off bench and developing these are all questions i don’t have answer to unless i sat down and picked DWills brain. If we don’t make trade and Brooks starts is Morrow worth 4 mil next year to be a bench player? Can nets add a shooter cheaper? Could Jordan farmer come off bench play SG & PG? there’s a lot of questions and ways Nets can go. I personally would do the trade either Morrow or Farmer ( prefer trading Morrow, Farmer can play either guard position and play defense ) Then if DWill likes Brooks let Mayo walk and use cap for roster. We have Okur,Hump,Sheldon,Stevenson, all coming OFF cap next year with TEAM OPTION on James 1.3 mil and PLAYER OPTION Shawne Williams 3.1 Mil . Looking at a Cap of 60-61 mil next year if these moves made were at about 37 mil. Howard trade I’d wait if him and DWill really wanna win with the Nets they would rather keep picks and players then trade away and i dont believe us losing now would hurt signing DWill. Anyone think DWill really thought unless Nets got Howard they would win a title? Scenario Nets don’t make any trades they tank this year and get Lottery pick. Why on earth would Nets NOT be the TOP choice for Howard and DWill? Now you have lottery pick, up and coming star in Brooks, 23 year old ALL STAR in Lopez, Now how the Nets decide to work that with salary cap space I don’t know trade Lopez or keep but all i know is they will have the resources and players to turn this into a power house team. I personally am very excited with the options we have and players, what management do with it remains to be seen. We have Picks, Cap, Young talented players, a Superstar PG, New State of the art arena in a big market, owner that will spend and committed to winning. That all sounds pretty good to me and i’m sure NBA players feel the same.
G Koehl
def take oj or morrow.
and oj is on his last year of his contract means more cap space for summer of 2012
the question is
how does he fit with Marshon, not whether he is better than Morrow.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
this
and how well he compliments D Will and Lopez (Or Howard hopefully)
how does he fit with Marshon
Well he would either A- stay on roster and have Marshon as six man off bench B- leave next season a restricted FA and Marshon would assume starting role with this year being a development year. I think it depends on DWill being convinced whether or not Brooks is ready and if Nets can win next year with Brooks or OJ already established player. The main thing here is competing next year giving DWill a reason to stay and surrounding him with talent. So to answer how does he fit well that depends on how fast Marshon develops and DWill. I know this that be a pretty great combo next year OJ starting and Brooks coming off bench or vice versa although i don’t think Mayo would be too happy going back to bench.
G Koehl
Agree, but
I would much rather send Farmar and a pick to get Mayo. The ultimate goal is still D12. Dwight Howard has made guys like Hedo and Ryan Anderson into stars but getting them open shots. Morrow would lead the league in 3 pointers made and percentage made if Dwight were on this team.
Morrow cannot create his own shot. Without someone on the team that can command a double team, he’s useless.
Trade Farmar. Store Morrow for Dwight.
Disagree
It’s better to deal Morrow. Why would you want so many SGs on the roster to finish out the season? Plus, if Farmar is crazy enough to opt out in the offseason, we’d have that much more cap space & flexibility to fill out the roster.
OJ can handle the point if needed
plus we still will have gaines who plays well for us.
by bettacalltyrone on Jan 19, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
I Like Our Backcourt As Is
if we get Dwight. Deron, Swag, Farmar, and Morrow can all shoot the three, which will be critical if we land Dwight Howard.
unfortunately...
to get Dwight, we are going to have to give up Marshon Brooks. The fact that he’s playing well increases our chances of getting Dwight, but I wouldn’t expect those two to play together any time soon…of course unless Dwight comes as a FA somehow (Prokhorav would have to threaten someone’s life for this to happen)
No we don't
we have assets and unfortunately for the Magic, Marshon is moving into untouchable range until we find out what we have. Trading 2 stars for one superstar is fine until you once again have to fill out your roster and the options after any such Dwight trade are none. The Knicks look miserable because of this. Their only hope is that Baron can be the old Baron to pull it all together. Even then he doesn’t have the leadership and team play of Billups. Trying to build a team in free agency isn’t exactly easy. How many years did we attempt to get a pf in here for Kidd?
Happy to see Billy King graduated in an accelerated "how to make a trade" class in just one night :)
Also should be noted that the Heat's best players
have been their draft picks or holdovers: Haslem, Anthony, Cole, Chalmers. Miller has been erratic his entire time there. Free agency didn’t do as well there either after the stars were in place.
Happy to see Billy King graduated in an accelerated "how to make a trade" class in just one night :)
huh..? trade marshon..?
where do you guys get this info..since when was or is marshon part of a deal.
we gave them ryan anderson already an im still tight about that ..
Trade Farmar. Store Morrow for Dwight
Only way i agree is if Dwight states he wants Morrow, I can see both points on trading Morrow and Farmer but personally I’d much rather keep Farmer he can play SG and PG and defend. Farmer, can shoot the three and open floor for Howard also drive and create as of Morrow well he just spots up and shoots no dribble penetration, no defense.
G Koehl
Yeah thats all cool but
OJ and MarShon will not make some of us happy campers. MarShon won’t be getting starting minutes and if he does, OJ will still be coming off the bench so the “he’ll be better as a starter” goes out the window.
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OJ and MarShon will not make some of us happy campers. MarShon won’t be getting starting minutes and if he does, OJ will still be coming off the bench so the "he’ll be better as a starter" goes out the window
Agreed, perfect world one of them would be happy being sixth man but that’s prob not gonna happen. Trade would still benefit because we would have the option to let OJ walk and use money on other needs. Again I’ll say it depends on what makes roster more attractive to lure Dwight and keep DWill.
G Koehl
Big guys and point guards like space to work with
not clogged lanes. When you have a historically great 3 point shooter. You keep him.
Happy to see Billy King graduated in an accelerated "how to make a trade" class in just one night :)
Mayo is two guard or point
and he can’t create his own shot well
Can't create his own shot?
Morrow or Mayo? If you’re talking about Mayo you must NOT watch him at all.
G Koehl
what you dont konw what your talking about
by Marquise Johnson on Jan 19, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
What he meant to say was create a good shot for himself
Percentages don’t lie. He isn’t using his athleticism. He is shooting jumpers. We don’t need a wannabe Morrow when we have Morrow.
Happy to see Billy King graduated in an accelerated "how to make a trade" class in just one night :)
OJ will cost more... also his and Marshon's game is similar...
Morrow would be a good backup for Brooks and can his number can be called if we need a specialist on the court (legit 3-pt threat to break the zone or punish defenses that are trying to cheat)
Morrow would also come in cheaper as in perfect for a backup cheap…
Also, Dwight Howard singled Morrow out as someone he wants to play with
I read that also and of course before Nets made such a move i would expect them to run it by DWill, then hush hush DWill I’m sure would know or find out Dwights input.
G Koehl
We were we trying to stockpile SG's
Personally, I think these talks happened before we really got a full dose of what MarShon provides on the court.
Look I like OJ Mayo, it’s pointless to me to add him and cut significantly into MarShon’s time on the court. Neither OJ or MarShon can play the 3 and, again I like OJ, but our team simply clicks when Deron and MarShon are running the show. Deron clearly has confidence in what MarShon can do. Plus, MarShon also appears to be putting in the effort to improve his defense.
Bottom line, you don’t hear any star yapping about how good OJ is and how they’d love to play with him. Deron is gushing over MarShon and I truly believe other players will be doing the same thing by years end. What does that mean? That means, if we’re moving Morrow (don’t want to because he provides shooting off the bench which EVERY team needs) or if we move Farmar/pick (more likely to me), it’s going to be for a guy who could play the 3 or 4 or possibly both. We are totally set at our SG rotation.
i too would rather keep Morrow...
but if Memphis would be interested in a package of Shawne Williams, Petro and pick for Mayo then we do that
we save cap space and could just re-route Mayo if we dont have the minutes for him
many teams are still big on him including Minnesota and maybe we could steal Anthony Randolph away
but if Memphis would be interested in a package of Shawne Williams, Petro and pick for Mayo
They be taking on contracts and NOT expiring, well after 2012/2013 and what pick would we send for Mayo? This trade don’t make much sense for either team. If Nets could do this with a second rounder it be great for Nets but I’m sure Stern would veto that in a heartbeat..lol
G Koehl
The only thought i have in mind
Is that lets assume we are going to trade for dwight. The way the Marshon has been playing it would not suprise me if Orlando ask for him to be included as well. If that happens then we still will need some besides deron who can create his own shot. Therefore trading farmar would be ideal in order to keep a great shooter like Morrow and also have someone who can create their own shot in OJ.
by bettacalltyrone on Jan 19, 2012 6:29 PM EST reply actions
without question
Orlando, would def ask for Marshon, Lopez, and our soon to be Lottery pick! exactly why i would wait and take our chances in FA. Do nothing and get our lottery pick and man our roster will look sexy baby, Dwight and DWill would pay Nets to join roster…. lmao
G Koehl
I don’t mind a one-dimensional player if his one dimension is so good it’s irreplaceable.
Morrow is a 44% shooter from three in his career, which is not good or great, it’s historic.
Having a player that can be relied on to make threes at that rate is extremely valuable. It weakens defenses and makes the entire team more confident. Not to mention the obvious value of the shot being worth an extra 50%.
The Nets are exploring this to free up cap room. I hope they find another way, because I’d rather they hold on to Morrow. He’s being asked to do too much now, but when the team is ready to compete he will give them a huge advantage as a bench player.
by ghoti on Jan 20, 2012 4:34 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Morrow's defense
Note that a team with Hedo starting went to the Finals with Howard at center. It isn’t about individual defense.
Happy to see Billy King graduated in an accelerated "how to make a trade" class in just one night :)
It isn’t about individual defense
When a individual is out of position it makes others on defense rotate or cover and break down the defense!!! So to say it’s NOT about individual isn’t a accurate statement. So what your saying is Morrow can just leave guys open all day to drive lane and shoot open jumpers and that wont hurt team? lmao Also it’s a big difference when you have Dwight Howard at center he can cover up a lot of bad defenses. Maybe you don’t watch the NETS much but last time i checked we didn’t have Howard at Center. I say Morrow hurts us defensively, which he does to sit here and go over any teams that have a weak defender and compare is a waste of time. I don’t care about other teams and I’m sure if we got Howard then maybe Morrow’s mistakes on defense wouldn’t hurt as much.
G Koehl
There will always be instances where an individual is
beat on defense. The point is if Howard comes it moves Morrow to one position, and that is up to prevent jumpshots. Just as Boston and Miami’s schemes dictate, you make teams beat you with long 2s. Howard and Humphries (if he is here) take care of the paint. The rules handicap perimeter players from containing dribblers. An average defender like Mayo doesn’t make that much of a difference in the scheme of things. Devin Harris came here billed as a great defender, and people blew by him all day because he wasn’t in Dallas’s scheme and team rotations any more. I am sure offensive usage played a role too but if he can’t do anything as an individual, what is Mayo going to do? Nothing.
Happy to see Billy King graduated in an accelerated "how to make a trade" class in just one night :)
Now and Later
Right now, I’d prefer Mayo to Morrow b/c Mayo has a broader skill set and, to me, Morrow is 20ish minutes, off the bench, scoring spark kind of guy.
Depending on the composition of the Nets later this season or next season, Morrow may be a luxury we can afford – in which case he’s preferable to Mayo. I think that if Brooks goes in a trade, Mayo would be needed more than Morrow.
As for trading Brooks, if he keeps up this level of play all year, I would find it very difficult to part with him: you simply do not trade a top three ROY candidate. You just don’t.
CBEE
I wouldn’t trade Brooks!!! Can you imagine he turns into next Kobe or Durant. I myself am willing to just sit back get the lottery pick and see what happens in off season. DWill, just stated again his preference is Brooklyn Nets, he just wants to win. I think by NOT trading Brooks, lottery pick, we will be in better position to do just that.
G Koehl
Oj Mayo is better than Morrow?
Nope. I like Morrow. I like Brook and MarShon too. I would like to see what we look like the second half of the season. I just wish that the Magic would hold onto Dwight, and then we could get him as a FA next summer. But they are not going to do this, they would be idiots to do this. AND I think DWILL stays, because of the money.
Paul from Sunny Delray Beach, Florida
I love oj mayo
i really do…but honestly the way marshon brooks is playing, he might end up being THAT superstar that Nets fans have been waiting for. To your point, your right, Morrow shoots 3’s…but he also has a nice mid range game as well as some nice floaters and is clutch, can put points up when you need it. You need that weapon on your team…to give that up for what Marshon already is…I wouldn’t do it, HOWEVER, I would give up farmar and a pick for him and then make that work somehow…And by giving up Farmar a nice backup PG you get in return a true combo guard who can be a second option at point behind DWill and can also come off the bench behind Brooks.
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