King: Extension for Lopez Unlikely
by Net Income on Jan 19, 2012 7:35 AM EST
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PrintThe Nets have until next Wednesday to offer Brook Lopez an extension on his rookie contract, but Billy King confirmed earlier reports that he will probably wait until the summer to talk big numbers with Lopez's agent, Arn Tellem. One reason is Lopez's foot injury but left unspoken was the team's desire to preserve cap space for their pursuit of Dwight Howard.
King didn't rule out the possibility entirely. "I’m sure I’ll have a conversation with (Lopez’s agent) Arn Tellem," King said. "But I don’t know if we’ll do anything with him at this time. I think you’ve got to wait. Injury-wise, we know he’s going to come back from that, but ... they may throw a number at you that makes sense." If the Nets don't extend Lopez, he will become a restricted free agent on July 1.
In discussing other personnel moves, King said the Nets had told Jordan Williams his assignment to Springfield shouldn't be seen as a demotion. "It's a chance for you to play," King said he told Williams.
- Nets' Brook Lopez could end up a free agent this summer - Colin Stephenson - Star-Ledger
- Nets notes: No talks for Brook Lopez extension - Andy Vasquez
- Nets GM says extension unlikely for Lopez - Tim Bontemps - New York Post Nets Blog
- Highlights from King's State of the Union - Mike Mazzeo - ESPN New York
- GM: Brook Lopez extension unlikely - - Mike Mazzeo - ESPN New York
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Makes sense
Just hope Lopez doesn’t take it badly.
BLo and his Agent know it's a business decision
Had the injury not happened, then I can see BLo feeling a little ticked, but even then it would be a business decision on the Nets end.
If Lopez is healthy...
Lopez, Brooks, 2012, cap space is much better than Bynum. Throwing in Gasol is the only way I see Lakers beating what we can offer but I don’t think they do it and take on bad contracts.
Brooks willl be really good. Once his defense improves he will be a major impact player.
by rundmc00 on Jan 19, 2012 7:19 AM EST via mobile reply actions
i'm not shure they would wan't to trade bynum
and they certainly don’t want to take on those bad contracts orlando wants to get rid of
excuse my bad english please
by -Seiti- on Jan 19, 2012 8:15 AM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
Nets need to engineer
a multi team deal like they did before Orlando’s ownership screwed us.
Giving up both Brooks/#1 pick to a team that will lose Howard for nothing is foolish
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 8:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Feel the same. If Brooks wasn't in the original order, don't htink we have to include him in this one.
If it even happens….would like to see us get Dwight in the summer and see Lopez play oput threst of the year. Let him get back to his end of last season numbers so we can all salivate at the possibilty of Howard and Lopez with Deron and Marshon.
Here’s a thought – Anthony Davis (if we could draft him) at SF? I haven’t seen enough of him to know if he could could, but based on his length, athleticism and the fact he used to play guard unitl he grew 7 inches in one year, he should be pretty good with the ball. He can defend perimeter and has a jumpshot.
I said the same thing last night.
He was’nt in the original deal, so why do we have to give him up now. It is not like the leverage shifts to Orlando as the trade deadline nears, it shifts to us.
Originally, I did not agree with this...but MarShon's play has changed my mind
He should be kept. A DWill-Brooks backcourt could be very very good long-term.
BK is the best at engineering multiple team deals, he can do it again.
by ZR on Jan 19, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
patience.. is the key
who knows what…
maybe d12 and d8 have plans pulling Klove too.
6 more days.. ;)
I'm an MJ FAN (Bulls)... turned into JKIDD FAN (Phoenix-Nets)...
NOW, I'm definitely a NETFAN - Go Deron Williams!
by NETFAN on Jan 19, 2012 10:14 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
It's the same deal with D-WIll right?
He can make more if he waits til this summer and re-signs, and we will have more flexibility with the salary cap.
I hate for things like this to go public. Lopez has been a good player. I hope this doesn’t affect him negatively. Ultimately KIng is right we have to save all money until the Dwight situation is figured out.
I personally would love to see Lopez and Dwight play together and if it doesn’t work then move Lopez. Lopez and the pick would definitely bring back a quality small forward from another team hopefully someone like Granger or Rudy Gay.
by power_njerz on Jan 19, 2012 7:32 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Rfa is there for a reason,
Regardless of d12, not extending is the right call. Just like dwill not extending was the right business decision. If BK extends lopez at this point he will be fired, because it is dumb business move
by SunilP on Jan 19, 2012 7:49 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Evem if we resign him...
I think we benefit with a lower cap hold if we wait till the end of the year.
by rundmc00 on Jan 19, 2012 7:52 AM EST via mobile reply actions
as long as no one makes a frontloaded max offer right at the start of free agency
otherwise the nets hands are tied if they dont have D12
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 19, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I really feel sad about it
….it can be better for Nets?
1 - D. Williams / J. Farmar / S. Gaines
2 - M. Brooks / A. Morrow
3 - D. Stevenson / S. Williams / D.James / L. Owens
4 - K. Humphries / S. Williams
5 - M. Okur / J. Petro / B. Lopez
It's no big deal...
It makes no sense to renew brook now and we can match any offer at year end.
Why you guys acting like girls?
if i was Brook i would be a little upset cuz but it allows the market to dictate his price
by Blkswizz on Jan 19, 2012 7:56 AM EST via mobile reply actions
His cap hold is much lower if they wait till the end of the year...
If Howard comes here in free agency….we can go over the cap to sign him.
Is this really news?
If the Nets don’t extend him:
cap hold = 7.7mil
outgoing salary in trade = 3.1
If the Nets extend him to a very reasonable 10mil per year:
cap hit=10mil
outgoing salary in trade calculation= 8.3mil as a base year compensation player
actual outgoing salary in trade = 3.1
yes, its really news when the GM talks about it
really
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Relax NI...
He was saying that the news is not a surprise. He was questioning your world class journalistic abilities :)
correct
I’d be surprised if NI didn’t post pretty much anything the GM said
Marshon Brooks
It is amazing how efficiently this kid is scoring on a nightly basis. I really hope the franchise realizes not to dump this kid in any trade. He is going to be a clear 20 ppg scorer for a long time in the NBA. He is a very very smart player.
I hope he stays...
But he does put us in the drivers seat for a Dwight trade.
I think Dwight and deron get it and the positioning is hoping Orlando keeps Dwight for the full year. Let us cross our fingers.
Brooks wasn't apart of the original deal that Otis accepted
I’ll be pissed honestly. It should be either #1 pick or MarShon, but not both. Please King!!!
We’ll need a legitimate wing scorer along with Deron and Dwight because neither of them are offensively explosive, and we already see that Deron struggles when he has to handle more than passing.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 8:26 AM EST up reply actions 11 recs
I agree it should be our #1 pick or Brooks.
You play to win the game!
by stevieboyNETS on Jan 19, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
I've been saying that all season!
The Magic cannot and should not have it all. Considering the Nets can offer Brook Lopez, a lottery pick in a stacked draft, cap relief, AND MarShon Brooks. Any 2 of those 4 beats the Lakers’ offer easily. Offering all that is not good business. Not that Dwight isn’t worth it, but it’s not about Dwight, it’s about what the competition is offering.
Why pay $2000 for a car that has to be sold by the end of the day, when the only other person in the lot is only willing to pay $1000?
I say if they ask for Brooks
BK should demand Anderson be included. It’ll be like the Carter deal, but the other way around.
Critical Success!
Anderson
Is a RFA this summer right?
http://www.netsdaily.com/2011/5/13/2168930/in-mock-drafts-no-consensus-yet
by jasperjarrod on Jan 19, 2012 1:29 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
He wasn’t involved in the origin deal because you couldn’t trade your draft pick early Jan I believe. But he would most likely be in the deal :/ it would be lopez,marshon, the rookie from Europe and a couple of drafts smfh. It’s clear billy is always trying to trade our young players We should just keep them and wait to see if Howard test free agency hopefully he doesn’t sign with a team if he gets traded not to the nets
by xxdariel17xx on Jan 19, 2012 1:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Things change
Otis will demand them both and probably get them. This is a top 3 player we’re talking about. Dwight isn’t making it to free agency.
by William_H_HOLLA on Jan 19, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Either brook is moved at deadline for dwight in which case this isn’t our problem (unrealistic scenario is also us throwing big money at him when he is a RFA for orlando in the summer, though they will match).
Scenario 2 dictates we strike out on dwight and have the cap to match any offer for lopez over the summer
Either way we are A-Okay. Lopez just needs to stay healthy and play well when he returns to dictate his market price. Other teams will throw $ at him. He’s a rare C type.
We can potentially get screwed hard here
if Howard hits FA and takes his sweet time deciding on who to sign with, meanwhile Lopez can get a max contract offer from some other team and that’s going to screw us in regards to cap holds if I’m not mistaken, right?
This is a dangerous game that the Nets are playing here.
Please anyone with cap rule knowledge, correct me if I’m wrong about our cap hold number being impacted by a team signing Brook to an offer sheet.
This makes me worried as hell
I think they (Deron and Dwight) will choose fairly quickly. Even if Deron decides to leave i think he will be considerate enough to give BK a heads up.
I don’t think the timing will be an issue.
I dunno
We can say with confidence that Deron is staying if we get Dwight.
Howard on the other hand, is wishy washy and may drag his feet. If he does, we are screwed imo
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
Yea i could see Cuban throwing a max contract at Lopez
If he gets word that Dwight or D-Will won’t sign in Dallas.
You play to win the game!
by stevieboyNETS on Jan 19, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
lol I could see him doing it just to screw us
You play to win the game!
by stevieboyNETS on Jan 19, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
would only screw us
if Dwight dragged his feet. I think we could match if we dump Petro. Meaning, I think we have enough money to sign Dwight to the Max, resign Deron, and give Lopez his eligible max.
Understand your concern, but I am pretty sure Dwight (IF he hits FA) clearly knows where he wants to go.
DWill oop to D12
Official Member of DO NOT TRADE MARSHON Society!
Lopez can't sign an offer sheet until July 11. Nets can begin talking and get a verbal commitment from Howard from July 1
this year’s moratorium is 10 days (from July 1 to July 11), by the time Lopez can sign an offer sheet Dwight will have made up his mind.
ah
well in that case, that makes things a lot better
we HOPE that he’ll make up his mind that fast though.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 8:30 AM EST up reply actions
Thats good news,i hope your right
You play to win the game!
by stevieboyNETS on Jan 19, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
eh, not really
It’s not about when Lopez gets the offer, it’s about when he signs it. If the Nets are about to land Howard, all they have to do is tell Lopez’s agent not to sign any offers and they’ll offer the max if he waits.
Kevin Love
Brook Lopez
Roy Hibbert
Are these the big RFA names of the summer? Max offers to bigs should go in that order.
How so?
He’s tall, but isn’t a great shot blocker or rebounder, and doesn’t have much of a post game, or any jump shot either.
Defensive bigs like Hibbert are not rare: Camby, Noah, Chandler, McGee, Odom
bigs like Lopez are. And 7’ Centers like Lopez are rarer. There are many shorter PFs than can score but are too small to play C, and none of them have the great high-low post-game Lopez does
but hibbert is an offensive big
one thing is that he’s not used to running high tempo like the pacers did/do, he’s way more effective in a Portland/Laker slow tempo
two- Jim O’Brien’s offensive system was a huge detriment to almost all pacer bigs(Hibbert, Mcroberts, Hansbororugh) as he had them working out the high post too often like they were point forwards
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 19, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
On another Note
Danny Ainge is looking to turn the page on the Boston Big 3.
He wants to begin rebuilding for the new era. If we do get dwight at the deadline, is Ray allen feasible? Would a number 1 and morrow cut it? How about our cap situation.
why with morrow and brooks?
Pierce would be a better fit
But I don’t see neither happeneing
by DJ HeavyDuty on Jan 19, 2012 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
Agree, would rather Pierce, but I don't see that happening. What ever we're willing to give up,
Ainge will probably not want. We’ll be more than fine if Dwight comes as FA. don’t need to pick players that are past their prime.
I'd be shocked if Pierce is traded regardless of Ainge's comments
He should be a Celtic lifer.
by ZR on Jan 19, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
why would you trade
anything for Ray Allen when we can probably sign him in the summer?
Ray is old as hell anyway.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
oh i didn't know he was on his last year.
He is a powerful tool to have in the post season…i don’t think he will ever lose that 3pt shot…
He can also teach
Marshon to move without the ball
no biggie but
Lopez has to play like a man possessed. For his own good and for the Nets. If a trade is gonna go down Brook has to put up 25+ and 10 rebs
i'd rather not trade anyone
and sign Howard outright while retaining Brook, Brooks, and our #1 pick(and hopefully Houston’s).
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 8:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
of course
I see a 50% chance of that happening. Orlando may hold on to Dwight for the playoffs
by DJ HeavyDuty on Jan 19, 2012 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
though i wish they did, i don't think they will. They will trade him even if its as a rental to some team.
Otis will be crucified if he lets him walk. IMO, it will come down to LAL and Nets at the deadline. It will all be on what 3rd or 4th team Billy can pull in to get this deal done.
Don't forget (and recent articles imply)
It may become apparent to Deron and Dwight that:
1) Brooks
2) Hump or Lopez
3) High #1 pick
4) Morrow
5) Bogs
6) James
7) Brooklyn
8) Proky
9) MLE
Is better than any other offseason opportunity and they will join forces in Brooklyn next year regardless of what happens to Dwight at the deadline.
drop James from that list
dude seems to be a bust
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
I like his attitude...
And he would probably be helpful to a good team. His foot is the big problem.
Another Thorn screw up. Thorn is best at doing nothing, which makes him great for Philadelphia that already had a good team in place.
Thorn is a moiso hole
and I don’t mean “ass” either
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
Tough call on James
His contract isn’t that expensive, but do we pick up his option? If we don’t, does he get anything more than a minimum contract elsewhere?
My guess is that we pick up year 3 at $1.3mil, but he never sees year 4’s $2.3mil.
They'd have to waive him in order to
offer Dwight and Deron max money
and keep Lopez, Morrow, and Brooks
And that’s assuming Farmer is moved or opts out. It’s either do things like waive James, or somehow find a taker for Petro or Shw Williams
Unless things have really changed under the new CBA...
… waiving a player doesn’t clear his contract from team salary.
No they don't
James sheds less than $1mil off the cap (cap hold for replacement player). We definitely have to move at least one of Farmar/Petro/Morrow (OJ Mayo at the deadline?). Shawne can be stretched to save $2mil.
yea i'd rather have Owens and he hasn't played a minute yet
You play to win the game!
by stevieboyNETS on Jan 19, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
i guess would she give him one more year.one last chance to stay healthy
You play to win the game!
by stevieboyNETS on Jan 19, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Still think it's a little premature
He’s just injury prone. He’s done his job when he’s been on the court.
by ZR on Jan 19, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Yes but this is on Orlando as well not just dwight...orlando can easily trade him to LAL for just bynum or gasol to save themselves from not getting anything.
who knows maybe then he re ups with LAL in summer. We have to look at it from both sides…Yes dwight wants this and that and he does hold leverage, but Orlando still own his rights and they need to do whats good for them.
If Dwight indicates that he would resign with LA...
We will probably have to give up Brooks, Lopez and #1 to keep him out of Hollywood.
If he goes to LA, I say let him. It's a different conference and he would just
come off as a poser. We would be just fine with Deron, Lopez, Brooks, #1 pick and a whole lot of money to frontload a contract to a big RFA and there will also be some better cheap bigs available.
Absolutely agree
We won’t make the post season even if we get Dwight by the deadline. Even if we do get the 8th seed, we won’t do any damage with the pieces we have around dwill and dwight. I rather eat not making the playoffs, and retain all our assets and sign dwight in the summer. We have a killer squad if it goes down that way. Especially with our pick and Houstons if they make the playoffs. Those 2 picks in this draft will sure up our bench. We can be a deadly team next year.
meh
Look @ how sorry the atlantic division is. Boston stinks and the NiX aren’t that much better. The Nets could be the best 8th seed with Dwight. Maybe the Nets could make it with Lopez
by DJ HeavyDuty on Jan 19, 2012 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
I agree, but is getting sent home in the second round enough to give up a load of picks lopez and brooks?
i rather not make the playoffs and keep all those assets and get dwight in the summer and really have a chance at the ring next year…
Of course we would all prefer that...
The Lakers are the problem to the extent that Dwight would resign with them.
Even if we trade Brooks, Lopez and #1 for Dwight…next year could be:
Deron/Morrow/AK/Hump/Dwight.
Damn good starting five.
I'm not sure why
everyone is caught up on AK47, dude is nowhere near the level that he was on back in like what…2005?
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
Just specualting on AK...
Obviously, he is the least of our worries.
Nets will probably need...
a stretch 4 next to Dwight…although Hump has shown some improvement on his mid-range jumper.
by BKNfastbreak on Jan 19, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
This is the secret plan
Believe the hype. It will happen.
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Deron, Dwight and a top draft pick SF
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 19, 2012 9:08 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
So would I...but that would take a lot of perfect things to happen
Remember, this is the Nets. Where the absurd happens.
by ZR on Jan 19, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
MDB...
You worry a lot for a smart guy.
First off, let us all thank goodness for King and the class and basketball savvy he has brought to the Nets.
Second, Brooks is amazing and we are very lucky to have drafted him.
Unfortunately, Magic ownership turned down the Dwight trade but that is their right.
Brooks gives us the best package for Dwight unless Lakers trade Gasol and Bynum but I don’t see Buss doing that.
Lakers give Orlando leverage so Nets may need to overpay.
Nets front office should be receiving inside information from Deron and/or Fegan so I imagine they are well informed.
Very worst case scenario is Brooklyn, cap space, draft picks, Brooks and Brook. If Brooks plays defense, he could be a serious impact player in the NBA. 20/5/5 with defense is not far fetched.
if LA does not put Bynum and Gasol out there
which I believe that they won’t, I see no reason to go beyond what we already had in place back in December. Remember, they screwed us, and they should lose leverage as they get closer to losing dwight for nothing.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
If Dwight would resign with LA...
Orlando could threaten a straight up Dwight for Bynum unless we give up Brook, Brooks and #1 pick. At that point, it becomes a game of chicken and you would risk losing Dwight if you pull Brooks from the trade.
I don’t think Nets have the guts to do that.
Nets have shown that they have huge balls
for even going down this route
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
Remember what we offered for Melo...
We will likely cave…but at least we will have Deron and Dwight.
yeah
we’ll need a scorer along with them
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
Bogs baby!!!
In Billy we trust.
Maybe if we send Orl Brooks we get back Redick.
i forgot about Bogs
but MarShon is here doing his work in the NBA, Bogs is overseas. It really means nothing to me until we see him play consistently over here.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
I hope Deron tells dwight how important Brooks is. Dwight will need to force orlandos hand a bit at the deadline
and save the nets from overpaying…Whatever we give up will be less for him to pair up with.
Dwill/Brooks/Dwight should be our big 3. I would give up Bog in the trade, though if we could keep him stashed, that would be awesome too. Kid can be good off the bench backing up our 3 and stretching the floor.
At the deadline, Dwight can telll all teams that he will explore options at the end of the year...
That makes him a rental to everyone, including the Lakers.
This is the scenario that allows us to either not overpay or get D12 as a FA.
I hope he does, that would be best case scenario. But he does seem to waver a lot and not want to make anyone mad.
The kid wants to be liked and not vilified.
Recent articles and quotes from Dwight...
Indicate he wouldn’t mind staying Orlando all year. That could mean the best case scenario is already being played out.
he should
give them one last hurrah. We’re not making the playoffs if we have to wait til March to get him
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
It is simple...
Dwight just needs to let everyone know he will explore options at the end of the year regardless of which team he is with on 3/16.
Lakers would definitely not offer Gasol without assurances of resigning (even with an assurance they may not trade both).
And Orlando keeping Dwight or sending him to a random team is a dream scenario for the Nets.
If I was Dwight, I'd stay the whole year
The Magic could make a deep run, even though I don’t think they’re built for the long-term. Only downside is that if he’s not a Net by mid-March, he’ll lose guaranteed $$. If he’s OK with that, let it play out.
by ZR on Jan 19, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with what you said but really don't get the villain thing in gerenal
When did it become wrong for player to take advantage of free agency? As long as you don’t have an hour long television special on your decision, it’s the player’s right. We expect player’s allow their current team to pick their destination, and gut their future team why? That’s what I just don’t get about the NBA. I’m pretty confident Dwight whats to be a Net and will be, but why is allowing the Magic to leverage them. All he has to do is say is the Lakers are no longer on my list and poof, leverage gone.
by SovietBrooklyn on Jan 19, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
this is why
I don’t understand Dwight
you DEMAND a trade here, but still give the Magic leverage to GUT us in a deal?
These players are dumb as hell imo. Look at Melo, did not care what the roster looked like when he got to NY and those dudes look bad
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
I hope that doesn't happen to us
Don’t get me wrong, brooks or not, if we can get dwight pull the trigger. but i’m hoping dwight sees that if he comes in FA it’ll be best for the team, best chance for him to win a championship as well.
Knicks have some very good players on their team, but they aren’t playing all that well right now. The have 2 more wins than we do and their schedule has been lax compared to ours.
Gutting our team for dwight (say lopez, ammo, brooks and a #1 pick) while taking on hedo’s contract would honestly make us another orlando magic with no room for improvement.
We aren’t knick fans in the sense that we think everyone will want to play for us on a MLE or LLE.
agreed
the more I think about the trade idea, like yeah of course regardless of who gets shipped out at the end of the day I won’t cry a river over it but damn, we could be instant contenders if he signs outright AND we keep our assets.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
What is dp'ing?
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Deron, Dwight and a top draft pick SF
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 19, 2012 9:16 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
OK
Don’t see it on iPhone app
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Deron, Dwight and a top draft pick SF
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 19, 2012 9:19 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
What is NVMD?
Lol…Nevermind?
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Deron, Dwight and a top draft pick SF
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 19, 2012 9:20 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Interesting- Jameer Nelson can opt out after this season
DOn’t think this has been reported.. Hoopshype doenst have it on their list of Magic salaries
http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/2007/10/30/181549/70
Jammer being a free agent was mentioned here
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/321916-knicks-taking-close-look-at-nash?xid=cnnbin
I dont know if he would opt out.. because he wouldnt get a contract close to 7 million per year
But… if he did.. Magic would be close to the cap.. not sure how that affects things….
Just means...
If we take Dwight, Turk and Duhon…Magic will be in great cap situation.
I guess they could make a "run" at Deron in free agency...
If they renounce Anderson and trade Reddick and Richardson
If it gets Dwight, I'd throw in Brooks or the Nets' pick in there
this is Dwight Howard, who just had his FIFTH 20+ rebound game of the season, we’re talking about after all.
We know Otis isn’t too keen on Brook, and you can’t blame him all that much for wanting more given Brook’s performance last year.
Bynum alone is a better piece to get right now, so you have to even the offer a little bit
no one is downplaying Howard's value
I’m talking about but if they accepted a deal without Brooks before and then screwed us, I don’t see why we should give them BOTH the pick and the player
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
and if Dwight wants to be here
he’ll kill Orlando’s leverage. He hasn’t, so I’m not keen on trading for him in midseason right now. He plays around too much
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
The Nets shouldn't blink and hold on to Brooks
The kid is special. This isn’t like chancing upon a solid complementary player. We drafted a future star.
I think it’s still possible to trade for Dwight using the assets talked about before the season started. It all depends on how Lopez looks when he comes back. After an expected period of adjustment (hopefully not too long) up to the trade deadline, if playing alongside DWill would lead to him averaging around 22 and 8 as some of us have expected, he’d be good as the major piece of our trade package along with so many picks we’re willing to give up. After all, the rival trade bait that’s Bynum has come down to earth as a 16 and 14 player (even Hump last season averaged 14 and 14 right after the DWill trade). Morrow has also become a possible trade piece to a 3rd party when he was untouchable in previous trade scenarios.
Really hoping we won’t have to give up Brooks and I do think it’s possible even with a Dwight trade.
Brooks can be 20/5/5 with good defense...
Really not too farfetched. Very few of these guys exist. Nonetheless, the focus here is making sure we get Dwight.
If Brooks keeps up games like last night…you just hope Deron and Dwight recalibrate to wait until the end of the year.
High on Brooks as well as many are, and he should be untouchable
I’ve been thinking of Marshon’s ceiling and while he won’t be Wade, he’s not just going to be a Crawford or Kevin Martin. I’m thinking future Ray Allen, not exactly the same game but the same high level of play. Brooks is just oozing with skill and confidence, and he’s long and athletic too.
The absolute best scenario will still be if Dwight comes not via trade but in the offsesason. But we still try to trade to prevent other teams from doing so. I’m thinking now BK should make Marshon untouchable and we could still get a deal done, maybe with some help from Dwight insisting he wants to be the man in the Nets and not be Kobe’s sidekick. We’ve got other trade assets and Marshon doesn’t have to be one of them.
Untouchable is way over the top
He’s not even the best rookie out there yet, it’s Rubio. Untouchable is reserved for Blake Griffin level seasons. Tim Duncans.
Untouchable in the sense
that Marshon doesn’t have to be included with all the other assets we are already going to give up.
For example, prior to the start of the season and his slump, Morrow was never in the trade scenarios for Howard. In that sense, he was untouchable as we were already going to give up so much and BK appeared to stand pat on at least keeping Morrow between Howard and DWill.
Well if we're talking about Dwight Howard, nothing is untouchable, if there's a serious offer from someone else that Otis will prefer
We’re not the only team in this race. You can only be all tough if you have the only good offer or you’re the only one in the running
You are correct, nothing should be untouchable with Howard (except for his future partner DWill)
but I think it’s still entirely doable for BK to insist on keeping Marshon.
It depends on the Lakers to me
If they don’t make a move for Dwight, you can definitely get him without Marshon. They’re the only other threat, so it depends on how hard they push. Would really help if Brook plays well coming back
instead of including Brooks in any trade scenario
can we offer them the rights to Bogdanovic instead?
Very early to call Brooks a future star
Remember what CDR was able to do on a depleted team.
Brooks is a nice player, but it’s foolish to say he’s gonna put up Vince Carter numbers just yet
i know everyone is going to say its way to early
but i think multiple all-star games are in MarShons future. its going to be really interesting to see how the team performs with Lopez back and Deron playing like he did yesterday (Minus the 4 turnovers and a little better defense )
Really is way too early
If say, Kevin Martin doesn’t have an allstar appearance, will Brooks? The leap from good player to allstar is not a small one
i just see a guy scoring 20 points easily efficiently
also, all of the talk about MarShon not being able to pass the ball was kind of off. the only thing that will stop him from being a all-star caliber player is his defense and popularity. He seems so determined to be great i kno his defense is going to improve, he has the long arms and all of the physical ability. Of course its too early because he hasnt even played a full year. but he has just as good a chance to be a all-star as Kyrie (maybe even a better chance) because he plays SG
Prob is too early to say, but we have good reason to be excited an optimistic
watching the game he and Hump were working all I could think was wow imagine that game with Brook
by SovietBrooklyn on Jan 19, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
Yea his ability to score is crazy
some say hes like a young kobe, but he plays more like a mature Kobe, he already has a post-up game and he doesnt rely on his athleticism. Im not saying he is Kobe (i kno a poster or to will try to make it seem like this is what i am saying) but his offensive game is polished and he is a rookie.
I actually wish he's show more athleticism
I think if he took it strong all the way to the rim on a regular basis, it would make his jumpshots & fadeaways even more effective. Until he does that, I think teams will start adjusting, challenging his jump shots with help defenders from the perimeter.
Marshon Last nights game... Better not trade this guy (MarshonChannel) btw He's Doin a good job
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGoWQsv4TdQ
!!NetsNation!!
I picture adding Lopez to that team we watched last night.
Wow. That would be tough to stop. Add a little continuity and some defense and we’re close to having something.
is the MarShonChannel from someone from netsdaily?
excuse my bad english please
Really comes down to
if Orlando comes to you, and says “include Brooks or we’ll trade Dwight to LA”, would you say, no way?
Dwight’s averaging 20.1 ppg 15.6 rpg 2.4 apg 1.4 spg 2.4 bpg. Unless Marshon wins an MVP, it’s a fair enough trade for me. Of course you wanna retain as many assets as you can, but if push comes to shove, Dwight is greater than anything we have
Depends on the deal
I’d balk if it was the original deal + MarShon.
by SovietBrooklyn on Jan 19, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure I would
The way things look for us right now, we NEED Turkoglu in the deal.
There’s only so many shots to go around. If Lopez, D-Will and MarShon are all taking shots they can’t all score 20 a game.
Lopez, Brooks, Lottery Pick
is a lot to give up, especialy when you think all of them could become all-stars
excuse my bad english please
sry but Lopez, Brooks, Lotterypick, a few other firstround picks, AND taking on bad contracts is to much
I know a lot of you guys don’t agree with me on this but i’m not sure i would do that deal.
excuse my bad english please
I'm with you.
Okay Dwight is the real deal and MVP status. But im could we possibly be just as good with Lopez, brooks, first round pick, maybe deron even sticks around. Idk I hate the idea of giving up so much just for Dwight
by Alec5 on Jan 19, 2012 10:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The only way we could be as good is if we land Anthony Davis with that pick. Dwight is the most dynamic defensive center in basketball and you’d be pairing him with the best 3 point shooter and an all star PG.
by mytoemytoe on Jan 19, 2012 10:25 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Davis is who I'm banking on with that pick.
Deron, morrow, brooks, Davis, Lopez, hump isn’t a bad squad.. Assuming we make a trade or 2 for a SF
by Alec5 on Jan 19, 2012 10:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I should hope you’re not banking on the #1 pick because that’s where Davis is going.
If the Nets improve at all this season (and they should when Lopez returns), there is virtually no chance they hit the jackpot.
although
we had the worst record in the 12-70 season and didn’t even get 1st pick. Never know although personally I think that was rigged and the NBA just wanted to see us fail. At least our 3rd pick got us Deron right?
As of now
We’d only have the 6th pick unless we hit the lottery. That comes off of a fairly rough early schedule. Banking on Davis with out pick is excessively optimistic.
I'd rather have Sullinger
He reminds me of David West, who I think would be perfect next to Dwight.
by ZR on Jan 19, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry on iPhone... Autocorrections...
by Alec5 on Jan 19, 2012 10:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think you are under estimating how valuable our #1 pick is in the upcoming draft
If the cost is draining all our assets and destroying our cap flexibility, I’d pass. Dwight is an MVP but we can become a contending team other ways.
by SovietBrooklyn on Jan 19, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
Just how high will our pick be with Dwight?
Are we talking about a top 10 pick? Not sure. Could not even be a lottery if the Nets play well.
I think it would likely be top 10
Look at the Knick’s trade last year. I wasn’t exactly smooth sailing day 1, it takes time when you make that kind of change to your team’s roster and identity. I think trading that much is a panic move for a guy that I think is forcing himself here behind the scenes.
by SovietBrooklyn on Jan 19, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure about that
If we trade for Howard at the deadline, I think we’ll make a decent push towards the playoffs. Our post Allstar break schedule is much easier than our early season schedule. Hypothetically, if you put Howard & Turk on this team, I wouldn’t be shocked to see us win close to two thirds of our March & April games (March especially).
Dwight is simply going to refuse to sign an extension anywhere else. D12 has never had the chance to play with an All Star point guard and he’s certainly never had the chance to play with a scorer as talented as Brooks.
Lopez, Okur, picks, Bogdanovic, whatever else we have to throw in there.
by mytoemytoe on Jan 19, 2012 9:32 AM EST via mobile reply actions
He's not gonna do that
If he was gonna refuse to sign elsewhere, does it make sense for him to have a list? What is the list for if he won’t extend there?
He may have a list but as far as I know his preference is to be a Net.
by mytoemytoe on Jan 19, 2012 9:36 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
show of good faith and apperciation maybe?
Allow his team some leverage. That’s how I think the Melo-Drama played out. Like, "we will get you to the Knicks, but you have to let us do our jobs. "
by SovietBrooklyn on Jan 19, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed. Probably the reason we end up trading Brook, Brooks and picks but I hope that we can somehow find a way to not include our rookie.
by mytoemytoe on Jan 19, 2012 10:02 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I think we should call the bluff
Stand firm on the original deal, with a different 3rd or 4th team involved. I have no problem challenging the Magic to find a better deal from the Lakers. Keep in mind this trade was already accepted once, and then shot down by ownership. Not because it wasn’t enough but because they knew they could get the deal later. Since then our draft pick has increased in value. It really depends on how Brook looks in his return IMO
by SovietBrooklyn on Jan 19, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Original deal included Gerald Wallace
That’s likely not an option anymore.
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that's why I'm saying different 3rd or 4th team
King pulled Crash out of thin air it seems, so I’m sure he can find something else and I’m sure he has already laid the groundwork for that
by SovietBrooklyn on Jan 19, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
his list...
Orlando had the opportunity to make a trade in the offseason…similar to CP3 deal, where Dwight may have been more flexible about destination. Orlando had their chance…if Howard wants to say Nets only now, he gave Otis & ownership the opportunity in December.
by BKNfastbreak on Jan 19, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
i dont see Orldao trading him while they are winning
i dont see LA trading Bynum if he is healthy and playing well.
LA will try to trade Pau for pieces to make the team better as a whole before trading to Orlando
Dwight walks
by DJ HeavyDuty on Jan 19, 2012 9:49 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
As much as I want Dwight to walk, I can’t see it.
If the Magic lose Dwight Howard and fail to NET even a lottery pick out of it, that franchise is in big trouble, basketballwise and financially.
by mytoemytoe on Jan 19, 2012 9:58 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
that;s their problem
they should have taken the deal we offered last month
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Lopez was untouchable when mentioning Melo
he was never untouchable for Dwight and if anyone believed that they werent being real.
Financially, what would the needs need to do for Dwight to sign here in the off-season?
Any takers on this question?
I feel bad for Lopez
the dude is a good guy, but I guess this is part of the business.
JKidd Era 2! Starring D.Williams as the lead actor, Avery Johnson as Byron Scott, and Player X as Player Y.
Let the show begin!
What would be crazy
is if we traded Lopez to the Magic, then still go after him in the offseason. After clearing some salaries, we overpay him with the max or something that Orlando won’t match. The Magic will of course curse us for generations but it’s not impossible. Lopez could brush aside all the hurt, take the money and go for rings with DWill and Howard. Purely crazy speculation.
Not possible, how are the Nets going to fit 3 max contracts on one team? And that would be a terrible Big 3
by mytoemytoe on Jan 19, 2012 10:00 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
not sure if serious
excuse my bad english please
eh?
Howard/Deron/Lopez???
We would have the best big man duo in the sport being orchestrated by a top PG.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Lopez would be sign and traded
We would need a SF more than anything, and Lopez would likely fetch us one.
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none of us said we wouldn't consider trading brook
excuse my bad english please
eh
not feeling that, but I see your point
i’d rather have an unstoppable frontcourt first, and then fill in the blanks as necessary.
and if we end up with Howard/Lopez here that means we signed him outright, which means we can work on getting an SF that’s a good roleplayer since we’d pretty much have an elite core with DH/Brook/Marshon/Deron
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think Lopez can guard the 4
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Howard on Amare, Lopez on Chandler
Lopez would always guard the lesser of two big men
It wouldn’t always work as well as it might against the Knicks, because I do have to agree with you- in that match-up, that particular match-up against the Knicks front-court, I think Dwight and Lopez would absolutely shred it.
I don’t know, maybe it could work.
More importantly, building your team around 3 players is flawed. The Nets won’t be able to support it under the new salary cap.
Dwight can
Lopez can/will guard the lesser player
by nwkiddnj on Jan 19, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
duh
i didn’t think that this needed to be explained
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Really?
You are going to pull Dwight away from the basket?? SMH
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by eLonepb on Jan 19, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
depending on the situation?
Sorry, I’d rather finally be in a position where the Nets have opponents worrying and altering their game plans to match up with us, instead of us doing it for them.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
who cares what they would do to us on offense what are they going to do to stop us. YOU WONT BE ABLE TO!
by nwkiddnj on Jan 19, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dirk doesnt play D and he won a championship not just basketball games
if Brook is the only weak link on defense that wouldnt hurt us. and we will have the best defesive player in the league
by nwkiddnj on Jan 19, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Howard automatically makes us a better defensive team
so I’m not sure how anyone could knock the idea of pairing those two up, especially when Lopez is more offensively skilled
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Potential to have the best defensive C(player) in the league
and the top 1 and 2 offensive C in the league… wow
by nwkiddnj on Jan 19, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
unless we are playing against Ryan anderson how far away from the basket will he be?
Like Dolla said it would be situational. even if you pull Dwight away from the basket who is a better help defender than Dwight?
and as much as Brook gets trashed on here
he can block shots. I wouldn’t crap my pants if Dwight is defending the PF for a few possessions and Brook has to man the inside
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
We can sign a defensive tweener forward for that
or ween Damion James into that role. Also, Nets could work on playing zone more. Twin towers is great for zone. Might be the best way to beat teams like Miami that cant shoot.
for only 1 season
please remember he was pulling down 8 to 10 rebounds in all the other seasons. It’s only when we had a power forward averaging a double double almost and specifically asked to pull down rebounds did he falter (not an excuse though, a 7’0 should easily be able to grab 8 rebounds / game).
Neither can Nowitzki, nor Stoudemire really
They do alright
eLone: I don’t think Lopez can guard the 4
kromesome: Neither can Nowitzki, nor Stoudemire really. They do alright.
That says to me his point was that it doesn’t matter if those guys aren’t good defenders.
Sorry it wasn't very clear
I mean that neither Nowitzki or Stoudemire are good defensively but they still are considered good PFs, and there lack of defense is negated by their good offense and having good defenders next to them.
Neither Nowitzki or Stoudemire is a 7 footer playing out of position, though. Lopez would be if you stuck him at the 4. I don’t think he’s fast enough to do it.
But Nowitzki or Stoudemire are just as bad guarding the 4
Yet their teams still cope.
What does it matter?
Either he can’t guard the 4 and it is inconsequential or he can guard the 4 and we are golden.
My point is that if Lopez really can’t guard the 4 then it won’t matter, because he has Dwight next to him and he makes up for it offensively.
He won't, Dwight will. And on O, Lopez will draw his man out, leaving Dwight one on one with his.
They’ll kill it. lOpez will nake you pay if you leave him out there and Dwight will destroy you one on one.
and the reverse is true
if dwight is pulled outside or out of the paint, you can still send it down to lopez down low and he’ll destroy most defensive teams. if we are playing teams that have a 3 point shooting center and you don’t want dwight all the way out on the perimiter switch and have lopez guard them. that frontcourt woudl be NASTY and a dwill / brooks backcourt is already nasty.
there’s a reason he’s been our sole bright spot for last 3 years, he’s been double teamed his whole nba career.
You overestimate Lopez's range
He has a nice shooting touch, but he’s not Okur, Love, etc.
Don't like Lopez+ Howard
You don’t want to pull Howard away from the basket, but Lopez doesn’t have the athleticism to guard many 4s. Also, while Lopez has some range, I’d rather a 4 with deeper range.
um
its about matchups.
if a matchup exploits this then one sits and plays with the reserves. Teams deal with this type of thing ALL the time.
You don't pay a guy $10+mil to sit
Also, who exactly would be our backup at the 4 that would match up against quicker 4s?
if Damion James could stay healthy
that could be a perfect tweener to matchup with stretch fours.
Also I am not saying Brook would have to average less than 30 minutes a game. But in those rare matchups that the opposing team has extremely athletic stretch fours starting, the Nets could sub Lopez out sooner and put in him with the reserves.
Your not considering that teams would equally be miss matched with us. And could be exploited. A stretch four cannot contend with Lopez or Dwight in the low or high post. They cant. Its a decision for a coach to make.
However trading Lopez before you can actually assess this all is stupid.
Give a shot first.
Obviously.
I think it depends on where the nets draft
If they take Anthony Davis or Jared Sullinger then Lopez for a SF. If they take Harrison Barnes or MKG, then they should trade Lopez for a better suited PF and depth.
lol
so either way trade Lopez…
when Brook comes back and scores easy in the paint and plays like an all-star you all are going to come around. We need to find a way to keep Lopez. This guys talents are super rare. If the twin towers experiment proves to fail, THEN look to trade Lopez. Dont blow up a potential one in a life time situation because of speculation.
dwight, love, deron
is crazier…
I'm an MJ FAN (Bulls)... turned into JKIDD FAN (Phoenix-Nets)...
NOW, I'm definitely a NETFAN - Go Deron Williams!
by NETFAN on Jan 19, 2012 10:17 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I read that as Dwight Loves Deron
And I still think it’s accurate
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hahahahah it is
imagine this lineup
Deron
Brooks
SF/Stevenson
Love/Draft Pick
Howard/Lopez….wowww
ITS A VVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEEEEE
As sexy as the prospect of signing Dwight in the offseason might be, I really don't think the Magic let it last that long
At some point, they have to get really spooked that they really might lose him for nothing. This is just like the lockout, something will only happen when the deadline is looming
and since they chose to wait that long
they should receive less. or the same exact deal that they agreed to before they reneged like a bunch of moiso holes
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
i agree with that
they should get what they deserve
10:30 a.m. on february 23, 2011 woke up with no hope.
12:30 p.m. on february 23, 2011 hope was born
D-WILL ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
I could not agree more
We made a deal and Orlando ownership nixed it
they get LESS than that offer next time, too bad, so sad for them
of course we’re so desperate and all-in on Dwight that it probly wont work that way, but it should!!!
Seeing that Bynum is praised like jesus christ in NBA circles
I really so no reason to believe that Lopez, Brooks, AND our #1(with other picks obv) would entice Orlando anymore than the original deal did
Brooks or the pick. Can’t have both. Begging ass Nets, we’re always quick to want to bend over for someone smh
You make a ton of assumptions about things you know nothing about
You have zero idea what’s been said to Otis, what’s been told to Billy, etc. Zero.
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exactly
eLone has been making assumptions just like everyone else based on the information that we have available, and half of it may or may not even be reliable. come on now
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that is laughable coming from you
carry on though
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
No seriously
It’s one thing to say “The Nets would be moronic and bending over backwards to give up Brooks”, but to just go ahead and say that’s what we always do is absolutely making wild assumptions about something you know nothing of.
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oh please
Dude you sit here like the rest of us and make “wild assumptions” about a situation you know nothing about, cut that garbage out. You’re just pissed that I called the Nets beggars. The Nets are desperate and by all indications would bend over backwards, so I’m not sure why the comment upset you.
I’ll never knock the Nets for being aggressive, but it is what it is.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
let it go fellas
it aint worth it
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12:30 p.m. on february 23, 2011 hope was born
D-WILL ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll never knock the Nets for being aggressive
Except you just did.
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that was not a knock
it was an observation, the Nets come off as beggars. Go ahead and pretend that the Nets have not behaved desperately over the past two seasons. I know the reasons why, but still…that’s what they’re doing.
But I’m glad to see that you backed off that “assumptions” stance of yours, since its pretty hypocritical coming from someone who assumed that Dwight to the Nets was set in stone…based off of his assumptions about a situation he knows nothing about.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Actually I'm the one saying Brooks gets us Dwight
Not including him means he can go to LA unless Dwight says Nets or nothing. Revisionist history on your part, but it’s all good.
Still respect you as a poster, always have, but you’ve been on an incredible tangent lately.
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Judging by the rookie power rankings,
Brooks is going to be tarred with the “gunslinger on awful” team brush for a while, so I don’t think his trade value is as high as we think, or indeed it should be. So i think you’re right, Brooks + Lopez + Pick will probably not be seen as good as the Bynum for Howard straight up.
EHHHH screw all of this Dwight talk
just get Lopez back, Deron step up his game and see MarShon continue to improve
by nwkiddnj on Jan 19, 2012 10:20 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
damn right
10:30 a.m. on february 23, 2011 woke up with no hope.
12:30 p.m. on february 23, 2011 hope was born
D-WILL ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's not going to end
Until he’s a Net…in which it will continue.
by ZR on Jan 19, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
then it will be glorious
what will be better, the deron williams to nets thread..or the dwight howard to nets thread?
ITS A VVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEEEEE
Dwight to Nets
Hands down. He’s dominated the discussion all season long.
Deron was great because of the shock of it. But Howard is long time coming.
by ZR on Jan 19, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
At what point do the Nets draw a line in regards to what they are willing to give up for Howard?
What if Orlando asks for Brook, Brooks and 10 1st round picks? Would Nets fans still make the trade for Howard?
Howard is great; he’s not Michael Jordan. If I’m Billy King, the trade offer is off the table. If Dwight really wants to be a Net, he’ll come as a Free Agent even if he gets traded elsewhere by the trade deadline. Time for Nets management to grow a pair!
J-Kidd to D-Will
Now you’re just being ridiculous.
by mytoemytoe on Jan 19, 2012 10:22 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
He's no Michael Jackson either or Tyson
but he’s Dwight. I hope and pray they dont give up MarShon but i think the only line they are drawing is in front of Deron. Magic can prob. pick and choose who they want
Howard is the best center in basketball right now
He might not be Jordan, but I don’t think it’s farfetched at all to say that he’s sure to be in the hall of fame.
if he continues with these 20 and 20 games
yeah…I could agree to that. You can say what you want about Dwight’s “offensive” skills but didn’t he just have a 40 and 24 game not too long ago? And isn’t he averaging 20 points this season? I’m sure we’d be happier if another “superstar” on OUR team was averaging 20 points right about now. and no..I’m not talking about brook lopez.
if dwight continues to play like this for another 4-5 seasons, i don’t see why he wouldn’t be a HOFer.
Assessing how much would have to be traded now, is kind of tough.
Until we know who the competition is and what they are offering, the Nets should still stay with their offer. If the Lkers come into play (which I doubt) then the Nets need to go all in, but if they stay out of it, the nets need to lay back and low ball a little. If the only competition they have is with teams that Howard wouldn’t sign a contract with, then there really isn’t much competition.
People getting way too cocky with what this team could be with just Lopez, Brooks, and Deron
Don’t know if that’s a lot more than an Atlanta Hawks type “contender”
exept for better cap situation
but the whole discussion is useless because deron isn’t going to stay without dwight, it would just make no sense for him
excuse my bad english please
Not really
When you give Brook that extension you won’t have some big cap space to play around with. The 2012 class if full of RFAs, the UFA’s aren’t allstars
i just said better
and if we don’t get dwight we have to trade deron no matter what
excuse my bad english please
pfft
who says that Deron will be here if that happens?
The cocky stuff really imo is “Without a doubt we’re getting Dwight”
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
agreed
we are not getting dwight “without a doubt”. If we were the lakers or bulls and in the same position, I woudl comfortably say that. but given our franchise history, the viewpoint of the media, the fact that players talk to each other and the general perception of the nets. Even a LOCk on Dwight coming here would only amount to “I think we’re in a very good position to get Dwight” or we would only be the front runner.
If/when dwight gets here and we are able to keep Deron Williams? Game Changer / Franchise changing event. After that, who knows.
marshon middle name is scitif this crazy middle name but I'm officially calling brooks stream
cause his name has marsh and brook in it and his offense flows quietly and smooth like a stream
More MarShon Please
I'm just calling him the Rookie or the Rook
seems to be his nickname for the year, he seems to like it, so I’ll just go with that for now. I refuse to call him Swag. Don’t know if he needs a nick name MarShon is a pretty original name in it’s self
by SovietBrooklyn on Jan 19, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed, although I’ve already given him a few of my own nicknames.
The Switch, Off-On Brooks
The Steal
The Force (cause he wills the ball into the basket like a Jedi)
All pretty terrible! Hahha
What about E.T.
Martian Brooks is not human. Plus he has those long skinny arms
by SovietBrooklyn on Jan 19, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Shaq, Lebron James, Chris Bosh, etc
What do this players have in common? They all went to the team of their choice giving up Zero/Minimal Assets.
Shaq – More dominant than Dwight – went to the Lakers as a Free Agent
Lebron James – Best player in the game – went to the Heat for a couple of picks
Chris Bosh – All Star player – went to the Heat for a couple of draft picks.
Bottom line, these players knew where they wanted to go, there was no list of teams. The teams they went to did not give up any players to get them. If Dwight truly wants to be a Net, play out the season with the Magic and come as a Free Agent.
J-Kidd to D-Will
by femdig on Jan 19, 2012 10:38 AM EST reply actions 14 recs
aw man
rec’d. awesome post femdig, my sentiments exactly
by MrDollarBills on Jan 19, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed this is how I feel.
Nets could be beast of the east. Wish it would happen starting to think maybe a little more possible.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
Agreed
we’ll know in a few months, one way or the other
I hope we know in 2 months and dont have to wait 6
Good words. The question is assured Howard of that where he wants?
I don't speak English
by RussianNets on Jan 19, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
All signs point to Nets being the preferred destination
These guys know where they want to play, and who they want to play with. It’s only a matter of time for the Dwightmare to come to a conclusion.
by ZR on Jan 19, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yes and because they did this
We now have things like Melodrama and Dwightmare.
This is called “lessons learned” not “repeat past mistakes”.
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I honestly think this is what is going to happen.
Magic want to make another title run, its hit or miss for Nets, but I think it is safe to say Orlando isn’t that good against playoff teams and would most likely be bounced out. I honestly feel this is the right way to do it anyway. You sign a contract with someone, you finish that contract. I do feel it is a courtesy he is giving Orlando letting them know he is going to walk. It gives them an oppurtunity to plan strategy, whether in trade or not.
Reality is FO learnt the lesson from those mistakes
One good thing for Nets is that Magic is winning. If they are in top 3 come trade deadline, I bet Magic FO and ownership would hesitate to trade DH12 even without a commitment from him to stay there.
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The only issue is
I don’t think Dwight knows what he wants at this moment in time. He is clearly very sentimental toward the Magic as an organisation, and Orlando as a city. I
what would u give up for KG
he’s an expiring contract. Nets instantly get a legit inside scoring presence.
nothing
having him would just make our pick suck
excuse my bad english please
ohhhh....so you're one of those who think the Nets are trying to tank the season
by Versifiervt on Jan 19, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
no i think its better to be bad than medicore
like everyone who knows the nba a little bit
excuse my bad english please
are u serious?
KG would be a rental. A really good rental. Depending on the package…i don’t know it would cost us too many assets.
if you did know the NBA a little, then you’d know that DWill’s main problem this year is the lack of space he gets without a low post presence. Look at his Utah highlights especially with Boozer, he had such room in the perimeter and it allowed him to find open lanes which he’d hit and he’d either dish it to an open man or take it to the hole.
Lopez is coming back, but I still have my reservations about his low post presence and if it’ll work with DWill and the chemistry that’s being built with MArshon. I think so but we’ll see.
KG is a player…even at this older age. The BIG 3 is nothing without him. If it were just Ray allen and Pierce all these years, they’d be a mediocre playoff team. KG changed that team in so many ways.
So yeah, I’d give up a couple minor assets to rent him before we go to brooklyn. Tanking the season may get us a high pick and maybe a tradeable asset for the future but the nets are trying to become a now team. The Big picture they’re speaking of to me is the ability to win now and become a stable franchise for the future.
I think BK and DWill has said as much.
by Versifiervt on Jan 19, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
There's just not need for KG at this point
Need to maintain flexibility for Howard at all costs.
by ZR on Jan 19, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
More i think about it
I dont think we trade Brooks. I think Orlando will ask but Billy will tell them no way. A revised 3 or 4 team deal will go down at the deadline. We have draft picks we are giving up and other teams will be involved. Marshon wont be traded.
Im still takign to twitter and tweeting him all the time to NOT trade marshon lol.
by 1stnamelastname on Jan 19, 2012 10:50 AM EST reply actions
All depends on if its theres a real, viable (non-nets) option out there
that will cause us to lose Dwight
if so, i expect BK to put all assets on the table, if not – hopefully he bends Orlando over a barrel
which one?
the one with Brooklyn graffiti’d on ?
yeah they got in trouble by nba they don't make it anymore
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Jan 19, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
do you know where to get the graffiti one from
by KillaHoose on Jan 19, 2012 11:30 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
nope no one sells it if theres any hope its ebay
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by kory raymond on Jan 19, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
any other descriptions?
A Nets shirt that says Nets on it is pretty vague
by SovietBrooklyn on Jan 19, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
the one they were on the bench?
if that is the one. I have it. nbastore.com
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
http://store.nba.com/product/index.jsp?productId=12193241&cp=1421552.2788214
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talking about this one they don't make it anymore
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=brooklyn+nets+shirt&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=1024&bih=611&tbm=isch&tbnid=XKAHkGavT2tz9M:&imgrefurl=http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Phenomenal-Swag-Entree-s-Brooklyn-Nets-t-shirt%3Furn%3Dnba-192886&docid=Tisi7SIojizBwM&imgurl=http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nba_experts__34/ept_sports_nba_experts-43170706-1254250479.jpg%253Fymvv.9BD_SfQasqz&w=295&h=450&ei=GkMYT4u1OYP20gGRsMW-Cw&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=408&sig=105145153867553319890&page=1&tbnh=134&tbnw=108&start=0&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0&tx=64&ty=71
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Jan 19, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
i love it been looking to buy it everyone but its impossible
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Jan 19, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
this link does nothing but bring me to the google homepage
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
Hmmm.
I find it interesting that some are saying “Brooks wasn’t in the original deal [for Dwight Howard]; so he shouldn’t be in any future one the Nets make.” Have we forgotten that when the deal was agreed upon, Brook Lopez had never missed a game in his career?
Obviously it depends on how Lopez plays when (hopefully, it’s when and not if) he returns. However, he’s lost something that he had before — he’s no longer an iron-man.
I’d be very surprised if the Nets are able to facilitate a trade with the Magic without including Brooks. I won’t be upset either — they’d be getting a top-2 NBA player.
sigh
just before the season I was arguing with my knick friends that Orlando should definitely take Lopez over Bynum because Lopez is an Iron Man who doesn’t get injured and has played 3 straight seasons all 82 games / season while Bynum has played maybe 82 games combined in the last 3 seasons.
then he goes and breaks his foot. Sigh. AND to top it off it was during the Knicks preseason game that he hurt it I believe.
With lopez back I honestly feel this is a product and squad I can be proud of. Not saying we’ll definitely make the playoffs (still possible) and even if we do we won’t get very far in the post season but I’d be happy with it until the Dwightmare situation played out.
We still need to do 2 very important things:
We need to have no more than 10 turnovers / game. 10 turnovers per game is a LOT to most teams, but to us I’ll give us some leeway.
Defense…Defense…Defense. I don’t know if ti’s Okur or sometimes Brooks (I’ was going to add Humps but dude had like 4 blks the other game) but we have zero intimidation factor when people come into the lane.
Nets can easily make the playoffs given their strength of schedule and where they are now
It’s amazing even at 4-11 that they’re right outside the playoffs.
by ZR on Jan 19, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Yup
I have little doubt that if it takes Brooks to get Howard, King won’t resist. Unless of course we know for a fact that it’s “Nets or nothing”… in that scenario I’d say we have some room to negotiate a bit more (Orlando picks: lottery pick or Brooks).
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Our chances against OKC this Saturday?
That was a shocker of a win for the Wizards.
Do we dare hope we can pull it off as well?
Will Westbrook play?
We’ve missed out on every good PG so far over the past few games (Lawson, Nash, CP3, Ellis)… maybe there’s a trend!
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They're all afraid of DWill
and get hurt before rather than play
Not good
I’m not in favor of tanking games, but Avery should make sure DWill & Brooks are fresh for Sunday’s game against the Bobcats. If we can go 3-4 to finish out January, I think Avery could use that to point towards improvement (4-4 since the west coast trip) & lift some spirits in the locker room . The most winnable would be vs Charlotte, @ Cleveland, & vs Toronto. Then we can hopefully take care of business against Detroit (2 home & 1 away) & Minessota (home) in early February.
If we can continue to improve & consistently beat up on some of the lesser teams, we should hopefully be able to hover around a .300-.350 win percentage until we have a starting center (Lopez or Howard). I would be happy with that, because March sets up nicely for a post AllStar break run.
The offense is coming along IMO
but man, we gotta find a way to improve the D – cuz its abysmal
Transition and interior D as bad as I’ve seen. I’m sure plenty of it is personnel related, but we gotta find some way to make it better
Defense is all heart and effort
If they don’t have it, they may not ever learn to do it well.
by ZR on Jan 19, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
This team needs to stay within sniffing distance of the playoffs
And given the struggles of teams in the East, I don’t think that will be incredibly difficult. Need big games from Deron & MarShon to win it seems.
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The 7/8 playoff spots are still wide open
We have no business having just two wins fewer than the current 7/8 but the East as it is, that’s where we are. And that’s without Lopez or the Magic guy.
there's a stretch where they can pull of 6 in a row if they play hard the entire game
@cleveland
toronto
@indy
detroit
minnesota
@NYK
then chicago followed by two against detroit
if they split the 4 games before this 6 game stretch, win 5/6 and then sweep detroit they’ll be 13-15 and then all they have to do is play .500 ball until Lopez comes back
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 19, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
13-15 and .500 is a stretch without B-Lo
I would say, as long as we stay 2-3 games out an atrocious bottom of the east, we can make a push with B-Lo to stay close to 7 or 8th spot till the deadline.
Then, hope D12 will take us home to the playoffs.
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Danny C (NY) – There is a lot of competition for rookie of the year. Which rookie has impressed you the most?
John Hollinger – Actually, I see it as a two-way race between Ricky Rubio and Kyrie Irving. MarShon Brooks is still in this too, but after those three there’s a pretty big dropoff before you get to the rest of the field.
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by eLonepb on Jan 19, 2012 12:16 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Going by Hollinger PER
It’s 1) Irving, 2) Brooks, 3) Rubio
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I think if you ended the season today and you gave the award to one of those three players, I wouldn’t complain about which player it is.
I think Rubio is a lock since the media vote
And anybody with his skillset and highlight reel is the media darling.
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and cause he is white
white players who are skilled are adored by the media.
Mike Miller his rookie year.
Steve Nash.
Jimmer.
Teebow.
Mannings.
the Waltons.
For instance, Andre Miller has a similar body, game, and rookie year but was just meh in the eyes of the media.
The exception:
Nowitski might be the only white guy who is still under rated by the media.. cant figure that one out.
spanish
He is Spanish doesn’t the name ring a bell Ricky Rubio. But w.e he probably win it because the most talented spaniard player in the nba not including Gasol
by xxdariel17xx on Jan 19, 2012 1:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
ultimately doesn't matter
if he looks white, he’s white
by Dolphins_Nets on Jan 19, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
white is a definition of pigmentation.
otherwise if talking about genetics and heritage it getting contradictory very quickly.
FYI
you are closer to being black, genetically descending from African heritage, if you are scottish/english (yes, those very WHITE looking people) than if you are from some Mediterranean heritages (not talking about andalucian, sicilian, etc heritages—my point is you can look tan or brown and be from a line of ancestors that are very separate tribally from African heritages). So definitions of white are ambiguous at best considering the exemplary “white” person (the britt) is genetically closer to being black genetically than his tanner (less white pigmentarily) looking buddies.
its kinda a genotype vs phenotype conversation.
And since phenotypically, Rubio is whiter looking than Tilda Swinton its fair to say hes white.
sounds about right to me
marshon is playing so well it’s absurd. he can’t be ignored but rubio and irving are legitimate.
by William_H_HOLLA on Jan 19, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Kryie likely wins it barring injury
Rubio’s court vision and natural leadership still a little behind Irving from what I’ve seen in highlights only. Brooks gonna have to wow people in that Rookie/Sophomore game THEN be a major part of the Nets getting into playoffs to win ROY. Stats between Kyrie and Brooks may be similar but so far Irving has the Cavs near .500 while Brooks playing with DWill is still just finding their way.
by Versifiervt on Jan 19, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Actually
For Irving, as teams start watching tape, his scoring should drop.
For Rubio, his will get exposed too like Rondo. People will back off and let him shoot jumpers.
Brooks is another story. Dwill gets all the attention. If Lopez comes back, doubles with Lopez. That leaves Brooks less guarded. All Brooks need to do is score 15-18 pts and grab 4-5rbs a game.
I say he surpasses both.
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he already does score 18 and 5 consistently
i see what your saying about rubio but he’s proven he can hit open jumpers
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by kory raymond on Jan 19, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
it's really a toss up between Kyrie, Marshon and Rubio
but it’s a popularity contest so it will go to Rubio or Kyrie unless Brooks REALLLY goes HAM and we make the playoffs.
I don’t care really because I’ve seen what our rook can do and I AM SOLD. Dude is playing like a top player already and was taken at 25! HAIL BILLY!
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HUH?
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
ESPN Shooting Guard stats- FG%
Look who’s second behind Ray Allen? This kid is playing out of his mind in the early going.
YOUTH MOVEMENT
NO TRADES with ORL.
Why would ORL trade him when the most likely will end up the 3r best team in the East, They are Hosting ASG, and they need to make as much money as possible this year with NEW arena? I see Howard staying and pulling a Lebron without decision.
If Dwight wants to come here, he has to come here by FAs. If they trade him somewhere else before trade deadline and he doesnt want to come to NETS, then I am OK with that too.
IF DWill(20 pts 10 asts 4rbs) IS NOT happy playing with Brooks (18pt 5rbs 4ast), Brook (25pts 8rbs 2blks), and Draft Picks, then F HIM TOO.
by SIC One on Jan 19, 2012 12:22 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
agreed
Keep assets, offer max contract in free agency.
Make Dwight turn Brooklyn, Proky & JayZ, Deron, Lopez, Marshon, new arena down.
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Brook Lopez shooting in Nets practice
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Even when there’s no one under the basket he’s sitting out on the perimeter!!! C’mon Brook!!
by mytoemytoe on Jan 19, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Good point.
Maybe the injury affected his Brain and he is imagining things.
by jerry25 on Jan 19, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
maybe he's playing against Nutso?
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 19, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hey Motaw remind me never to sell to that (player)
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 19, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
yeah i failed at that photo haha
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by kory raymond on Jan 19, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
gained muscle
He did gain some muscle he looks ripped. But guys remember doesn’t mean because he scored 20 points last year doesn’t mean he is not going to be in a slump. He went through a serious injury that made his brother a couple step slower and gotten worst. I remember before the injury he scored 30 around 3 times after the injury most I saw him score was like 15
by xxdariel17xx on Jan 19, 2012 1:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is the no cursing rule specific to NetsDaily?
I’ve noticed people consistently cursing like sailors on other SB Nation blogs. NO I don’t wish it was allowed here, I’m just curious.
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If Otis tells BK Give me Marshon+Lopez+2012 lotto pick and take back hedo & duhon
CLICK* *
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hedo and duh on better not even be in the trade conversation anymore they blew it
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by kory raymond on Jan 19, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
yeah thats out the question
you want brook and marshon? we keep pick and cap space
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 19, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
Howard will be a free agent regardless of where he goes, even L.A.
He’s already sold on “the big plan” or vision" of this team. Now he needs to understand that the best thing for us to be contenders next season is for him to finish out his season in ORLANDO and come here as a free agent.
Dwill/Marshon/Barnes or MKG/Lopez/Howard with Ammo/Farmar/James/Shelden and hopefully hump(doubtful) off the bench would make up a top 5 team in the league overnight.
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james farmar and sheldon and hump would have to be released
they would have the MLE, but still that is a pretty deep team already. A ton of vets would come. MAybe Kidd???
Hedo
I don’t really care either way. Hedo would at least give us a viable starting SF. If he wasn’t included in the deal, who exactly would we start there?
dude likes to handle the ball A LOT
Won’t work with Dwill unless you want Dwill to play off the ball… which is stupid considering Howard is on the team.
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i dont won't his bum contract either
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by kory raymond on Jan 19, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
http://basketball.realgm.com/poll/218416
The lack of respect for Lopez is disgusting
Fire Brian Schottenheimer.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/1000000-Jets-fans-against-Brian-Schottenheimer/104252133024352
Lopez is by FAR the most talented of that group
DeAndre Jordan is a product of his surroundings and Hibbert, while solid, is just not at the same level as Lopez.
by ZR on Jan 19, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
i interpret it this way
Jordan is getting the highlights cuz of Lob City and his ability to block shots.
Hibbert is rounding into form while BLo recovers from injury.
Had BLo started the season and potentially got his rebounding back to around 8 boards a game then he’d lead that poll.
wow jordan and hibbert over lopez give me a fing break
just because you can dunk the ball with power that makes your amazing
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WOW
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Russell Westbrook has signed a five-year, $78 million-plus max extension with Oklahoma City, league sources tell Y! Sports. Story soon on Y!
good for OKC... they keep their core
15.5 per year for 5 years its a good price.
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GREAT for OKC
Shows model for small market teams.
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hit big on your draft picks when you win 20 games a season for 3-4 years in a row
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 19, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
jeeeeeeessssssssssssssssssussssss thats a lot of lettuce
ITS A VVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEEEEE
WOW is right
he was supposed to be one of the big names next offseason
we need to stop assuming every star will be available for the picking at some point
There was never any indication that Westbrook wouldn’t sign an extension with the Thunder, and when in doubt, assume he won’t be a FA. I’m assuming Kevin Love won’t be a free agent. both of these teams are young and improving, not stuck in mediocrity like the Magic.
by sheepareevil on Jan 19, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Trade machine is back up...
So how’s this look? Throw in the appropriate draft picks of course
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7h5eqzt
Fire Brian Schottenheimer.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/1000000-Jets-fans-against-Brian-Schottenheimer/104252133024352
Pretty good IMO.
give Memphis the rockets pick and Orlando our 2012 pick and it works.
We keep Deron and SWAG + add Howard… nice.
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and we get to keep morrow too i imagine the inpact dwight would have on him
by alexcontreras on Jan 19, 2012 1:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Plus we’d keep Humphries, with bird rights to resign him. Between Hump and Dwight, opposing teams would never grab a rebound…. ever.
Fire Brian Schottenheimer.
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I would probably save money to frontload KLove
Deron/Marshon/X PLAYER/KLove/DH12
wow
lol dreaming is fun
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Kevin Love won't be a Net
Let’s get the second superstar first.
by ZR on Jan 19, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
This deal does not sound bad at all
by alexcontreras on Jan 19, 2012 1:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Jonathan (NYC)
Melo for D-Will?
John Hollinger (12:56 PM)
Makes a ton of sense for Jersey. Makes some sense for New York. Keep in mind that this could be done as an extend-and-trade after the season as well. I would expect the Knicks to ask for a sweetener, given that they’re basically saving the Nets from Armageddon and that Melo is having a better year than Williams.
Usually I like Hollinger but he can go..
Well, you know.
Melo sucks. If last night’s game wasn’t proof I don’t know what else is.
Melo doesn't stink
That whole team from Coaching staff to the players is a bad mix. Baron may help the team a little this year but after that, they’re in trouble unless Nash does sign for the minimum this summer. But even then, they’re not a championship contender. If they want to fix the bad mix, then they’ll have to trade Amare or Shumpert or Melo. Shumpert will get you a decent Veteran. Melo may get you more rebuilding assets but Knicks won’t go that route. Amare likely wouldn’t get any other team wanting him. My guess is they’ll end up having to trade Shumpert cuz the team is in a win-now position and their window is likely a two year window to it done. They messed up by getting rid of Walsh.
here?
where? I don’t want him on the Nets either if that’s what you mean.
"Last night's game" applies to both sides of this silly trade proposal
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"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
by that logic d-will sucks
he’s had 2 good games all season. but this trade is obviously not happening, the nets and knicks don’t deal with each other really. that little billboard hurt dolan’s feelings lol.
by William_H_HOLLA on Jan 19, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
All good points.. I guess I’m just pissed at Hollinger for suggesting the Knicks would be saving the Nets from Armageddon by swapping Anthony for Williams.
it's expected.
nobody in the media is going to root for us or believe that we will see dwight in FA or a trade to NJ. I don’t blame them either honestly given the 12-70 season. We consider it a fluke as nets fans but outside perspective see’s that as a trend. The 24 season win although in our eyes is 100% better than the 12-70 season but others see it as a trend.
Save your frustrations, save the links, save the posts, tweets etc. IF/WHEN we get Dwight Howard that will be our time to say go moiso yourself to all of the haters/disbelievers.
This will never happen
I don’t like using never very often, but this one I’m sure about.
by ZR on Jan 19, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
I miss the big guy
Replace Sasha with Brooks and you got somethnig here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE6qy0QvcGM
Deron always looked for Blo down low. and like Marshon, Brook just flat out knows how
to score
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tywrJniw08c
If I can just hide, the sinner inside, and keep him denied.
How sweet life would be, if I could be free, from the sinner in me.
Brook signed an autograph for me before that game
I am convinced that my interaction with him is the reason he went off in that game.
lets say bynum gets injured again what would we give up then?
by alexcontreras on Jan 19, 2012 1:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
It's a little absurd that Brooks outrebounds every big on the the team
except Hump. Furthermore, I’m completely sold on Hump now. Signing him to a 1 year deal might have been a mistake. He is the strongest guy on the floor in most games. He plays bully ball and doesn’t try to do too much like he did when he first got here. I’m actually gonna credit Popeye Jones for that because he turned it around when they started working together.
by William_H_HOLLA on Jan 19, 2012 1:14 PM EST reply actions
We'll have his bird rights
Or he’s played himself into a nice asset for Orlando that they can decide what to do with at season’s end.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Only if we trade for Howard
If we sign Howard as a free agent, we’d have to renounce Hump’s Bird rights.
he'd be worth the MLE if he'd take it
who knows what the market will be for him next year
by William_H_HOLLA on Jan 19, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
We won't have an MLE if we sign Howard in free agency
We’d only have the $2.5mil room exception.
Don’t get me wrong, I love the Hump but against the biggest and baddest power forwards in the NBA he’s not much use.
Still hustles no matter what and BK made the right choice bringing him back.
nobody is stopping the top 5 pf's from getting their numbers
by William_H_HOLLA on Jan 19, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
overall
i think hump makes a GREAT addition either starting at PF if we don’t have a star PF or a backup PF if we end up keeping lopez and get dwight.
He’s not a star player but I"m loving the effort and numbers he’s put up for us last 2 years.
One of the few nets players who has earned my respect. I love Dwill to no end but honestly he doesn’t deserve it this season….yet.
by Roccor420 on Jan 19, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He says 7'2", Combine numbers say 7'1"
third biggest wingspan on the team: Brook Lopez – 7’6" and Shawne Williams – 7’3".
Hump is 7’0"
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
if he puts on some muscle in the offseason, which should come naturally with NBA workouts
he will be so much better. he’s posting up guys right now and scoring with ease when he looks like he’s 180 lbs.
by William_H_HOLLA on Jan 19, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Jason Kidd used to do the same thing
And I totally agree on Hump. So incredibly impressed with him.
by ZR on Jan 19, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Stefan Bondy @NYDNInterNets 1m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Brook took his boot off two days ago. Today he was shooting w/ minimal elevation, grabbing rebounds in practice. Will make next road trip.
More MarShon Please
sounds like brook when he's healthy
minimal elevation
by William_H_HOLLA on Jan 19, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol could he really be back in two or three weeks?
by JJ_22 on Jan 19, 2012 1:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I dont want him rushing back and injuring himself.
that would be devastating to our franchise.
not sure if this has been asked before but
what would you rather give up?
Brooks
OR
Our 2012 pick + Houston’s pick?
depends on how good our lotto pick is
but probably picks tbh
Official member of the "DO NOT TRADE MARSHON "SWAG" BROOKS" Society!
if you had to decide today, right now
if Otis said this was the final part to finalize a deal
which would you pick?
by bronxbombers2 on Jan 19, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
it's funny though
how a late first round pick in a bad draft might be more desired by us as fans than a most likely lotto pick and another (at some point) first rounder
by bronxbombers2 on Jan 19, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
i know i would miss him on our team just because he caused some hipe on this bad team
so probably the picks
excuse my bad english please
by -Seiti- on Jan 19, 2012 3:37 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
opez on if he sees himself on Nets for Brooklyn and beyond: "I’d like to be, but there’s a lot of uncertainty. So I don’t know
Brooklyn we go hard...
It's gonna suck seeing a homegrown talent like Lopez leave right when the Nets start a new era in BK
especially since he suffered through so many terrible seasons here and didn’t complain. I’ll always follow the guys career and root for him.
by William_H_HOLLA on Jan 19, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
“There’s a lot of uncertainty”.
Right, the management still hasn’t gotten back to him on whether he can wear his Spiderman mask while he’s playing.
wait, so Brook liking spiderman
which he doesnt btw.. not that i know of.. is more of an embarrassment than Dwight dressing up in a cape pretending to be Superman?
Ugh… double standards people.
What? Just a joke about Brook liking comic books.
I don’t care about Dwight wearing a Superman costume although I wish the dunk contest was less about the gimmicks and more about the dunks.
vince carter ruined the dunk contest for every NBA player after him
nobody is ever topping that, ever, so they have to resort to gimmicks.
by William_H_HOLLA on Jan 19, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
deff but it was so good
that was just pure skill and talent, now its just jumping over cars or blowing out candles, it has nothing to do with the actual dunk
ITS A VVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEEEEE
love that guy
man…if we do get dwight in a trade for lopez and others it’ll be an awesome day because we got dwight but marred by the sad day of losing lopez. He may have frustrated me over the years but he has my respect hands down and one of my favorite players. it will be a sad day if/when he leaves. i hope we can keep him because it honestly sounds like he wants to stay, he likes our team and rarely has ever said anything negative about the nets. true character.
this should be brooks official song lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdQ4nV4yz9o someone should make a highlight video using this song :)
by tha_RAGER on Jan 19, 2012 1:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i hope he is there
Lopez is like a staple of the nets since like 2007/2008 i can’t see him anywhere else i hope he is there to back up dwight or even start alongside him
ITS A VVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEEEEE
i hope owens plays saturday
at least some garbage minutes i want to see what the kid can do
ITS A VVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEEEEE
I think he’ll play, we can’t get away with Morrow or Brooks trying to guard Durant. I doubt some kid fresh out of the d-league will do much better, but Morrow and Brooks really have no chance
Fire Brian Schottenheimer.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/1000000-Jets-fans-against-Brian-Schottenheimer/104252133024352
omg
morrow on durant…just put stevenson on him idc what we have to do..just glue stevenson to his body
ITS A VVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEEEEE
i'd rather
not see him play at all since i’m hoping there won’t be any garbage minutes because we’ll have a suprrise win against OKC! One can hope. The wizards did it but statistically they were due for a win, good team or not.
If we sign Howard...
our open day starting lineup could be
8 Williams
9 Brooks
10 James
11 Lopez
12 Howard
it lines up like it was meant to be
by SovietBrooklyn on Jan 19, 2012 1:51 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Sorry to ruin it for you, but Djames wont be starting
by joeyb896 on Jan 19, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he's a 7th man at best it seems.
he can’t attack the basket, he’s strictly a rebound/put back guy.
finally the master plan has been unveiled...
it’s the Illuminati at work
by bronxbombers2 on Jan 19, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
they have taken over Woj's Twitter account
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
i don't care who our starting lineup is
in the future or right now. All i care about is watching a team playing to win. U can throw Jason Collins and Rodney Buford in there for all i care. If they’re winning and making the playoffs, i’m all for it. I want to see a team winning games.
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