Brooks Back in Rookie Top Three
by Net Income on Jan 18, 2012 9:00 AM EST
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PrintDrew Packham and Sebastian Pruiti are out with their latest rookie rankings and Marshon Brooks is once again at third in both. Only overall #1 pick Kyrie Irving and uber-point guard Ricky Rubio rank above the Nets shooting guard who was taken by the Celtics at #25, then immediately traded to the Nets.
Packham notes Brooks' consistency, pointing out that "he's now scored in double-digits in eight straight games and 11 of the 13 he's played". Pruiti, the stats geek, writes in Grantland about Brooks' efficiency and his new ability as a pick-and-roll instigator. "Brooks' efficiency comes from his ability to get to the free throw line. He draws shooting fouls on 23.1 percent of his pick-and-roll possessions," Pruiti writes.
One negative to report: Two players the Nets passed on in the early second round are now in one or both top tens: the Rockets' Chandler Parsons, taken at #38; and the Bucks' Jon Leuer, taken at #40. Jordan Williams, taken at #36, may get sent down to the Armor Wednesday, reports Fred Kerber.
- Rookie Ladder - Taking Advantage - Drew Packham - NBA.com
- Sebastian Pruiti on Ricky Rubio, Kyrie Irving, and the rest of this season's top rookies - Sebastian Pruiti - Grantland
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Interesting thought
… I wish Avery ran even more plays for Brooks, but then I wondered, do we even run any REAL plays at all?
sad but true
Avery should steal Utah’s pick-and-roll and backdoor cuts or LA’s Triangle or something, anything. He also needs to steal Thibodeau’s defensive playbook. His own offensive/defensive ideas are mediocre.
I’d like to see him curl off picks tight toward the corner of the foul line from either side often.
"This isn’t fantasy or rotisserie basketball. Why would Denver want Outlaw? Would you?" - Al Iannazzone
by strange-brew on Jan 18, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
i agree with plays for brooks
they say he is the second best scorer, but he isn’t the first option like Irving is in cleveland.
If we ran plays for him, he would be ranked #1 and be getting 20+ a game
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by nothingbutthenets on Jan 18, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
MARSHON BROOKS...........Pretty Soon He'll Be Number One!!!!
Just keep This On…lol
by njNets2 on Jan 18, 2012 9:09 AM EST reply actions 7 recs
Youth Movement!
Trade Declown for
Rubio/Beasley and an expiring!
Holla!
by Jron on Jan 18, 2012 9:18 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Deron sucks
Why would minny do this?
OUTLAW > BROOK'S SHOE
think about what you just said
by KillaHoose on Jan 18, 2012 12:13 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Think about turning your sarcasm switch on
Sarcasm [on/OFF]
OUTLAW > BROOK'S SHOE
r u in right state of mind?
or r u really a nets fan?
by Still_a_Nets_fan! on Jan 18, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
bk is not thorn
that is all
ITS A VVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEEEEE
Brooks has entrenched himself as the second-best scorer in this rookie class. Sure, he’s on a terrible Nets team, but he’s now scored in double-digits in eight straight games and 11 of the 13 he’s played. Brooks gives the Nets a playmaker, someone who can create his own shot, which is something coach Avery Johnson is happy to have alongside Deron Williams in the backcourt.
gee thanks
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true...
but that really doesn’t add much to the story…
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yea i see what byou mean
and that even tjough the team is bad he still manages to put up the great numbers he does
ITS A VVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEEEEE
yeah and what about
Rubio and Irving?
SMH!!!!
Wolves – 5-8
Cavs – 6-7
Nets – 3-11
Woopie Dooooooo!!!!!!!
I'd take 6-7 and 5-8 over 3-11 any day bro
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i'd say minnesota is even better than their 5-8 record.
and for irving to have that dreadful cavs team playing near 500 basketball is indeed a very big deal. that team has no business being anywhere near 6-7.
blueprint for greatness
too bad outlol and grahamvp couldn’t make it :(
hopefully lopez and marshon are both around to experience brooklyn
Prediction for lineup:
Dwill
Brooks
SF/Stevenson off bench
PF (hump or draft pick or love?)
Howard/Lopez
or would lopez switch to the 4?
ITS A VVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEEEEE
We need to draft players with names similar to Brooklyn...
…that seems to be our recipe for success in the draft.
Ryan Anderson unfortunately
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
been saying this for a while now. Don't trade him to get dwight. If dwill wants to leave, let em. Nets have a bright future regardless If u can get dwight w/o giving brooks, do it of course
by NetsFan4e88 on Jan 18, 2012 9:39 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
yeah for real
im actually down for a Brook and Brooks in Brooklyn setup
10:30 a.m. on february 23, 2011 woke up with no hope.
12:30 p.m. on february 23, 2011 hope was born
D-WILL ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think we're set at SG with Brooks
backed up by his mentor Stevenson for at least 3 more years. That said, Anthony Morrow & Jordan Farmar need to be sent packing.
What would peoples thoughts be about Morrow, Farmar, Petro and this years draft pick for Granger? Who says yes or no first?
the only person i want to keep is Ammo
every team needs a moneyball shooter off the bench for when you are leading in games and need to bury a team. But if we have a chance to get D12 i know he’s gone.
10:30 a.m. on february 23, 2011 woke up with no hope.
12:30 p.m. on february 23, 2011 hope was born
D-WILL ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yup, if you watched the Knicks vs Magic game
You see exactly why a lethal 3 point shooter like Morrow is so key to a winning team. Imagine Deron + Dwight operating together… from pick and rolls to feeds in the post??
Who do you double?
Meanwhile Morrow will be WIDE open all game.
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he can literally camp out beind the three point line
10:30 a.m. on february 23, 2011 woke up with no hope.
12:30 p.m. on february 23, 2011 hope was born
D-WILL ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
he'll set up a tent and everything
"A little boy went out to play. When he opened his door, he saw the world. As he passed through the doorway, he caused a reflection. Evil was born. Evil was born, and followed the boy."
i like MarShon a little more
He can hit the 3
Create his own shot
Brings energy
Plays D
by DJ HeavyDuty on Jan 18, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
He'll be playing for Orlando
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"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
I doubt It...I think BK will get a 3rd or 4th team involved
just so we dont trade Marshon…. But I guess we’ll just have to wait an see
!!NetsNation!!
i hope so. because d-will, dwight, and baby kobe= best offense in the league and DYNASTY
by avilanets85 on Jan 18, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Problem is they don’t need Farmar and Petro sucks.
"This isn’t fantasy or rotisserie basketball. Why would Denver want Outlaw? Would you?" - Al Iannazzone
by strange-brew on Jan 18, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
There goes the championship dreams
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
I agree…I would’ve signed a player that could position himself under the basket and pass from the post.
"Beware the Ides of March."
I don't know anything about Owens , but if he a a SF we could use one.
Marshon , Stevenson , and Morrow are all 6-5 SG’s , James is hurt , and Shawne seems closer to a backup stretch 4 guy than a 3.
"This isn’t fantasy or rotisserie basketball. Why would Denver want Outlaw? Would you?" - Al Iannazzone
by strange-brew on Jan 18, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
I really like what I see from Chandler Parsons….no doubt he would be starting at SF for us.
"Beware the Ides of March."
I liked Parsons and Luer and the kid Orlando got
I tabbed them all with the second round pick. But maybe J Will is a late Bloomer
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
by MrBDown on Jan 18, 2012 10:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i they wanted to, could we actually send petro to the D-League?
10:30 a.m. on february 23, 2011 woke up with no hope.
12:30 p.m. on february 23, 2011 hope was born
D-WILL ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
than he needs to get hurt NOW
10:30 a.m. on february 23, 2011 woke up with no hope.
12:30 p.m. on february 23, 2011 hope was born
D-WILL ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
Drew Packham
I emailed Drew last week (he provides his email address at bottom of his column) to inquire how he had Brooks ranked so low (I believe he was sixth last week?)…..I quoted his stats – and compared them to Irving, Morris, Shumpert….along with how Brooks ranked vs some of the best SGs of our generation in their rookie years (VC, MJ, AI, Kobe, DWade)….surprisingly no response….
I love how people call this a terrible Nets team – they are competing and are without their borderline All Star big man. This team is going to be fine when Brook comes back and I continue to drink the Kool-Aid and believe are well positioned for the future….
And Brooks is going to be the real deal at SG….I pray this franchise holds onto him….with or without Dwight (who I am convinced per my FanPost yesterday will come here as a FA) the Nets will have a killer backcourt duo of DWill and Brooks.
I suspect that in the next 2 weeks we have a game where Brooks finally breaks out and puts 30 on someone…and don’t be surprised to see him ultimately average 18ppg this season. It is entirely possible – especially since his scoring numbers should increase when Lopez comes back due to less double teams and easier looks.
His numbers are bound to come down as the season goes on, but I like Brooks a lot and I think he would be a great part of the future for the Nets if we don’t deal him for Howard. He clearly wants to get better all the time and you won’t have to worry about his game slipping.
As far as the Nets team- even with Lopez back this team is going to struggle, unless Brook shows a new-found intelligence on defense. But they will certainly grab a few more wins than they are getting now.
I see the opposite
I see the kid taking on more and more of the scoring load until Brook is all the way back and once he is Swag will be even more efficient due to less double teams. Brook will make everyone better. The absence of brook throws the team out of whack. Players are trying to compensate and are being asked to do things that aren’t in thier game.
Man I miss Brook. But we need to find a way to get some more wins till he comes back. I say more touches for Marshon. He is the best scorer on this team. And we need to see how much be can handle.
He has a shot at ROY. Let’s get it done
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
by MrBDown on Jan 18, 2012 10:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
might hit the rookie wall
he’s a little older than most, so might not. But with the tightened season schedule, it is very real possibility. We just can’t get discouraged if it does.
hahah this
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by lemmetakeutodamovies on Jan 18, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
wow
He draws shooting fouls on 23.1 percent of his pick-and-roll possessions
it’s amazing that people actually track stats like this. it’s not like you can just look at box scores and know this.
"A little boy went out to play. When he opened his door, he saw the world. As he passed through the doorway, he caused a reflection. Evil was born. Evil was born, and followed the boy."
yea that Grantland article amazed me
especially when they were like “he goes against the screen 9.7% of the time!”, like who keeps track of this stuff?! god bless em
by sheepareevil on Jan 18, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
These lists are a mess
Sebastian is an extremely bright guy, but I don’t think you can justify putting a guy who has a .449 TS% in the top ten (Shumpert) even if his secondary skills are intriguing. DWill has a .493 TS% and we’ve been all over him for it. I guess the other rookies just aren’t as “exciting”. To me, Shumpert looks like a SG that can’t shoot and turns it over too often for his playmaking to be helpful.
Brandon Knight has no business making these lists.
Kemba Walker has no business being that high. Kawhi Leonard, Leuer and Morris have all been better.
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
Yep
Naturally, lottery picks with “impressive” PPG numbers are going to be overrated.
One of my favorite numbers is Brandon Knight’s free throw rate. If you’re a geek like me, look him up on BB-Ref and have a laugh.
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
Sebastian isn't wrong
did you read his write-up on Shumpert? He makes a very good case that Chumpert has been very good as an SG, not much as a PG. Rating him #6 on the possibility that he’ll be a defensive SG who can also get to the hole is completely reasonable.
Plus, his MarShon analysis is very enlightening to me, and I’ve been watching a lot of the games.
"Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa." -- Casey Stengel
by calling all toasters on Jan 18, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
I liked his analysis of Brooks
But I simply don’t agree that Shumpert is some kind of star waiting to happen. His college numbers were awful. As far as i’m concerned, he’s Pietrus without the shooting ability.
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
Well maybe that's why
he doesn’t call Shumpert a star in the making.
"Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa." -- Casey Stengel
by calling all toasters on Jan 18, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
He's not close. Shumpert will be lucky to be a good role player because his offense is so putrid.
I was just being “kind” in deference to Sebastian.
Also, he quoted Shumpert’s 25.6 PER as a SG as some kind of proof of promise at the position. Anything close to that kind of production would indeed make him a “star”.
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
If I was mean and heartless, I would've said...
“Sebastian should know better than to take what is highly likely, based on Shumpert’s college numbers and BBIQ, a small sample size fluke and use it as evidence of some kind of hidden potential when his track record and tools indicate a long career as a defensive stopper and little else. An inferior rebounding Terrence Williams with better defense but without the drama, is likely.”
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
I am happy the rockets got a good player...
We need them to make the playoffs. We need that pick…
I agree there and they can do it if they stay healthy
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
by MrBDown on Jan 18, 2012 10:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lottery...
If they make the playoffs, the pick is ours
Yeah hes on a horrible team
but he’s not chucking up shots. he’s shooting at an efficient rate AND his shots are contested. If he was on a better team he would prob. go crazy being that the defense wouldnt only have to worry about Deron and MarShon. Brooks IS better than Irving at scoring. Lets not even make this into a debate
Sorry Bro, i didnt even finish writing
Brooks doesnt attack the basket as Tyreke would. Tyreke was quick off the dribble and also passed the ball more often. Marshon doesnt get to the rim the same way IMo but he doesnt need to because he’s crafty. Tyreke was a stronger quicker guy. Overall i still think Marshon would be the better scorer. Also MarShon is going to be in the league for a long long long time because he doesnt rely on athleticism.
it seems like he’s more comfortable taking contested shots than open jumpers lol
by avilanets85 on Jan 18, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
this belongs in Posting and toasting...or maybe not...
…but Isola seems to be in full “rip Dolan” mode today.
"They are 20-25 since the trade."
Carmelo Anthony, Superstar.
I wonder what the Nuggets record is… significantly better, I imagine.
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
His stats are Wowza for a rook
Per game in 28 mpg:
14.6 pts
4.2 rebs
1.3 assists
47% FG %
40% 3pt %
Top 50 in PER of all players at 19.41
Top 10 in PER among shooting guards
Top 10 in rebounding rate among shooting guards
Top 10 in “Estimated Wins Added” among shooting guards
Top 20 in True Shooting % among shooting guards
Top 20 in turnover ratio among shooting hards (which is a good thing. Higher the better
- among rookies in PER & Estimaged Wins Added, only behind Kyrie Irving.
by Anthony Perez on Jan 18, 2012 11:53 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Last one should read #2
I don’t know why this forum does that
by Anthony Perez on Jan 18, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
And for the rest of his career.
MarSwag Brooks for President!
by PinstripePanda on Jan 18, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
i put money on this if he’s still here after the trade deadline he’s going to put up nasty stats in the last month of the season
but better. plus does anyone know where i can get some those socks SWAG wears
by avilanets85 on Jan 18, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
i actually wanted Parsons since he handled the ball so much at UF and was that 4 year player King specified wanting
but i let it slide since we had Brooks and Jordan seemed like the better pick for depth purposes. But oh boy i wish we had a re-do
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 18, 2012 12:30 PM EST reply actions
If we don't get DH12 and lose Dwill.... we'd still have my 2 favorite Nets Lopez & Swag
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by Claud on Jan 18, 2012 12:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I totally agree
Draft Passing PG -
Swag
Barnes or Kidd-Filchrist or Davis
Draft SF/PF/C
Lopez
I am fine with that.
Brooks will just get better and better....This is no fluke......
Also , I would still like to trade for Shumpert……He has tons of potential but the Knicks are ruining him…..I say we offer them Anthony Sorrow ….straight up…..
The kid is a straight ball hog even with Melo on the team. No way he would fit in over here. He’s overhyped. No Thank you
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yea i don't think
him with marshon would go well
ITS A VVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEEEEE
He seems to have great defensive potential, but as PG he can't he just shoots and shoots, he can't make assists
2012 Lineup: D-Will - Brooks - AK47 - Lopez - D12... Book it!
Not the Michael Jordan stuff again lol
The Knicks aren’t ruining him he should thrive under Antoni honestly especially playing along side superstars who take the attention away from him.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Worst Case Scenario....
Next Season: Lopez – Swag – DWill-High Draft Pick then: (Hump, Morrow, Free Agent(s), Stevenson, Gaines) .. There are some interchangeable parts but I think it’s good enough for DWill to take the $$‘s and stay. IF Swag develops into the real deal – I’d go to war with that. May not be championship but it’s a big step in the right direction. It’s the OKC Model…especially if our high draft pick is a good SF…
by KiddLetGoOfTheRope on Jan 18, 2012 2:07 PM EST reply actions
Leuer
would have been nice, and Davis Bertans would have also been great. Instead, they went safe for a guy who can’t crack a rotation with Shelden Williams and Johan Petro. Eek.
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Parsons
Was the guy I mocked to the Nets. I thought they’d be interested in athletic facilitators, since they didn’t have any at the position, but the Nets don’t seem interested in adding skill players unless they’re superstars.
Parsons is top 10 amongst rookies in assist rate, rebound rate, PER, and he’s been a plus defender at two positions. Jordan Williams is an undersized swing big with a limited offensive game and slow feet.
www.twitter.com/robertjamis
I was lobbying for Parsons over Jwill too.
funny how those things work
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another guy
Greg Smith, who was UNDRAFTED, is killing it in the D League right now in the D League. Very raw, but the chance he’ll develop into a very solid center is pretty good.
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