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Brook and Dwight Together?


After reading the earlier NetsDaily post that the Nets are unlikely to extend Brook - and seeing that many fans were upset about this, I thought a dedicated post made sense.

First, the Nets have zero incentive to extend Brook before January 28th. He is recovering from a fractured foot, and on a big man, you really have no clue how well he is going to recover and if he will have the same abilities as he had prior to the injury. The biggest mistake the Nets could make (or any team for that matter) is extending a player to a sizeable long term contract without knowing how he has recovered from a potentially career affecting injury. I am an optimist, and think that Brook is the model of durability in the post and will be fine (also good sign that his twin brother Robin had/recovered from same injury). But you have to realize it would be a bad business decision for the Nets to extend without knowing how he has healed.

Secondly, if the Nets were to extend Brook before January 28th, it makes him much harder to trade in a deal to Orlando for Dwight Howard. Perhaps Orlando prefers to own his rights and have the ability to match any deal for him - expecting market offers to come in lower. Perhaps Otis Smith then wants to use Brook as a trade piece and thinks will be easier to do this if he is a RFA. Who knows? There are also issues with the new CBA which I am not familiar enough to discuss.

All that said however, my biggest feeling is that the Nets (thru DWill) have a very good sense of what Dwight Howard is really thinking of doing. And based on comments from Orlando and from Dwight, I really get the sense that Dwight is going to play out his contract in Orlando and become an UFA this summer. Many in the media want to argue that the Magic owner (DeVos) would never chance losing Dwight in free agency for nothing, but the guy is 85 years old and desperately wants to win. He is not thinking that if the Magic obtain assets and rebuild, they can compete again in 5 years. He has a quality squad with the most dominant big man in the game - capable of 40-20 games. I think if any of us were in DeVos's shoes - we would roll the dice and go for the Finals appearance this year. Remember, DeVos killed the deal in the preseason when the situation with Dwight seemed toxic. Now they are winning and look like a strong competitor......why would he cave now and make a trade? Especially since you don't want to showcase your new arena to the world during the All Star game with D12 wearing a Nets jersey....and at that point, the Magic will be firmly entrenched in the playoff run - and I think you man up and hope for the best. If Orlando makes it to the Finals and wins - it becomes a lot easier to a) stomach him leaving and b) convince him to resign and look to defend the crown.

I think Dwight is adamant about leaving for a brighter market, and it seems based on his comments, media reports and his friendship with DWill that Brooklyn is where he wants to be. He will make bags of money in endorsements that he would never sniff in Orlando, and apparently Addidas has hinted that his deal is worth much more money in Brooklyn than in Chicago or Orlando, etc. So to take less for 4 years in contract money is easily made up for in endorsement money. He may already have that "difference" guaranteed by Addidas in a wink wink agreement with his agent. You and me will never know.

However, Dwight (or at least his agent and the sneaker reps) know that to truly maximize his value - he needs to be in a winning situation. Forcing his way out of Orlando in a trade is a PR hit (ask Lebron), and going to a team that does not win in Year 1 is another big hit to his image (ie. finances). So having seen what happened to the Heat when LeBron and Bosh went there to team with DWade - it creates a very watered down roster with little depth. Depth wins championships. That is why Dallas beat the Heat last year. Forcing your way to NJ in a trade will absolutely kill the assets that NJ has and you will have a worse supporting cast than Miami....meaning you won't win. So, the logical thing for Dwight (and everyone else) is for Dwight to compete for a championship in Orlando and become a Free Agent. DWill has to suffer thru a tough losing season (but at least it is only 66 games...). The Nets can exclusively focus on making small moves to improve the roster for next year (OJ Mayo?) while developing Marshon Brooks to become a star scorer at the 2 guard (seemingly DWill is onboard with playing alongside Brooks). The Nets also can guage the health of Brook Lopez once he returns from his injury and get a sense for the chemistry between him and DWill on the floor - remember they have very little minutes together. They will still control Brook's rights and have the ability to match any deal for him. And with Petro and Okur and Shelden Williams on the roster, the Nets can really start to use Brook in more of a PF role - to get a sense for how he will perform as a PF. Oh, and they are sure to have a lottery pick in a stacked draft where they can address their SF position (Barnes, Jones, Gilchrist-Kidd) for the future.

And lastly, for those of you who have questions about Brook playing the PF next to Dwight.......Brook's game is tailor made to be the complementary PF next to Dwight (and vice versa). Brook is more of a stretch 5 than he is a traditional back to the basket Center. His game is at his best when he is active on pick and pops, extended elbow jumpers and foul line extension jumpers. Brook also has the size to post up smaller PFs in the paint and has an array of offensive moves in the paint and is a good passing big man - meaning he can feed the shooter on the perimeter or dump the ball across the paint to Dwight for an easy bucket. Dwight on the other hand, is a beast in the paint - active on put backs, alley oops, and pick and rolls. But outside of 8 feet from the paint, he is a major offensive liability (ie...you don't want him shooting 15 foot jumpers). Offensively, their games are perfect complements for each other.

Defensively, Dwight is an absolute monster in the paint and will single handedly control the paint (and the glass). Brook has the length to flash out to cover stretch fours and even if athletically they can get past him, they are moving into a brick wall in Dwight. For those PFs who spend the majority of their time in the post - they are going to have to inch outside as the paint will be sealed off with Dwight - forcing them to play outside of their comfort zone and reducing their chances on the glass. And for those who consider Brook to be a poor rebounder - Hump is an excellent rebounder and limited his opportunities (nor did Brook need to focus as much on rebounding as he did on scoring). That is a good balance with Dwight. And remember, Brook has not played alongside any strong defensive PF or strong perimeter defenders in his career - so oftentimes he would have to step up to stop man in penetration and have nobody rotate to his man under the basket - resulting in easy bucket.

The moves (or non-moves) the Nets Front Office is making right now is exactly what they should be doing. Keep ultimate roster flexibility (cap space) while looking to acquire the right pieces to play a complementary role, possibly pick up extra assets (OJ Mayo, draft picks), and most importantly, focus on developing Marshon Brooks and creating the chemistry in the backcourt of him and DWill. There seems to be a plan in place, and tihs team is competing most nights. I really get the sense that Dwight will be a Net but he will come as a free agent and not as a trade - meaning the Nets keep their core in place and are instantly a favorite in the East Brooklyn Year 1. So keep your heads up, enjoy watching Marshon improve before our eyes, and the future should be very bright.

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thank you for the refreshing take...i know it's idealistic

but it’s so much better than the pessimism ive been reading as a result of all these losses. people on this site have to get it together. This is not a normal season by any means with the tightened schedule, the lack of chemistry, and D-will having to play outside of his game as primarily a distributor and NOT a scorer.

The pessimism is not on this blog alone. On Celtics blog, the fans are dealing with their big 4 having the worst losing streak since the team was assembled to compete. At least we have a future with assets and we’re not aging.

Sure Dwill is not playing great but he has not been put in a position to be the player that he is. Partly he is at fault for that with how he’s lately been hanging his head in games and how he gave the okay to Billy King to maintain flexibility instead of making moves that ate our cap.

This franchise can go one of three ways as I see it. (1) We land D Howard via trade or FA and all is how we ideally wished or (2) We use our assets to trade for other needed players this summer to join D-will or (3) We trade D-will, use cap space on a quality free agent and use that nice draft pick of ours.

As a fan, I just want a team to get behind. Like a lot of people on this board i’m not happy about the product I see on the floor this season but after this one we will know for sure what direction this franchise is moving in. Either we’re on the championship path with D12 on board or we’ll have an exciting team with our draft picks and the addition of who we get through FA and trades.

Billy King will give us one of these scenarios. As a fan i’m ready to route for whoever we get in free agency in addition to the exciting new youth like KiddGilchrist, Quincy Miller or Harrison Barnes next to Marshon, Brook, and whoever BK would get for D-will in a trade if in fact D-will did not want to stay if we lost out on Howard.

Its easy to be upset and overly angry this season, but there’s also a lot to be excited about. For my sanity and your own to whoever is on this site everyday…PLEASE TRY TO HOLD BACK THE ANGER and LOOK AT THE BRIGHTSIDE OF THINGS.

i’m not gonna call out names because you know who you are….but please stop taking every loss and story that comes out as an opportunity to crap on this team. Clearly its in a state of transition.

by NJQuestCat on Jan 17, 2012 9:58 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed people are set to jump out of their windows every time Chris Sheridan posts a story or Chris Broussard spins a four team trade of Dwight and DWill to the Knicks. People have to realize that there was no training camp, it’s a new roster, and the Nets had one brutal stretch to open the season….yesterday they lost but they really competed down to the wire.

For those of you upset about DWill’s body language on the court…….I want a guy leading my team so visibly upset because they are losing. The guy is a competitor. That is the definition of a leader and a franchise player. And as you said (and I said earlier in the home page Lopez story)- DWill is a PG who facilitates the offense. He is not going to excel in an offense where he has to be the primary scorer and has little in the way of post offense to work with. Great PGs are infinitely better when playing with a capable big as the spacing works better.

People should be psyched we have Brooks…..the kid has the potential to be a Vince Carter caliber 2guard…..and I don’t mean their games are similar but Marshon can be a scorer on Vince’s level. That alone is exciting. We could have the best backcourt in the NBA next year.

And I’m becoming more and more convinced that Dwight has backed off trade demands because someone (agent?) has told him it’s berthed to compete for finals in Orlando and be able to join a loaded roster in year 1 of Brooklyn. Sucks to be DWill but he is making paper to play ball. And a Dwight/Lopez front court with our backcourt and Morrow (and Mayo?) off the bench is a dynamic team and is a top 3 team in East from day1…….and that is not even thinking about the draft pick.

by Ryan243 on Jan 17, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd like to give it a try and find out how it would work

I think eventually we might want to find an even better fit but I’m curious to see what those two could do cause they could be great.

I love teams that get out and run but teams that dominate the paint in the half court game win in the playoffs so that might be our best bet even though they wouldn’t be as exciting. Sort of a poor mans Duncan and Robinson.

by Rockice_8 on Jan 17, 2012 10:25 AM EST reply actions  

there's nothing poor in Lopez & Dwight.

for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...

by Nets-ness on Jan 17, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Lopez will get torched by the PF's in this league.

But they could always trade him.

"This isn’t fantasy or rotisserie basketball. Why would Denver want Outlaw? Would you?" - Al Iannazzone

by strange-brew on Jan 17, 2012 10:27 AM EST reply actions  

But PFs can’t guard him and offensively will have to step out of their comfort zone. There are a lot less true stretch fours in the NBA than people realize. Yeah Griffin would eat him up, but the paint would be controlled by Dwight so Griffin has less room to work with and becomes more of a medium range player. Countermoves…..sometimes the best defense is simply changing the way a guy has to play based on your personnel or making him less comfortable.

by Ryan243 on Jan 17, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Think about what he'd be up against though.

Bosh / Haslem
Horford / Smoove
Boozer / Gibson
Ryno / Big Baby
Millsap / Favors
Gooden / Ilyasova
Garnett / Bass
Scola / Patterson
Jarebko / Maxiell / Villanueva
Love / Randolph
Griffin / Evans / Thompkins
Dirk / Odom
Brand / T.Young
Jamison / Thompson
Diaw
Landry
Nene / Harrington / Faried
Frye / Warrick
Ibaka / Collison
Blair / Bonner
Randolph / Arthur / Speights
Gasol / McRoberts
Lee / Udoh
Hickson / Thompson
West / Hansbrough
Booker / Blatche

Nightmare. Lopez will suffer mental and physical abuse. I don’t see them making Dwight guard a lot of these guys either.

In some cases Dwight could take Amare and Aldridge, and Lopez can take Chandler and Camby and that would be fine ….. but that will be rare.

"This isn’t fantasy or rotisserie basketball. Why would Denver want Outlaw? Would you?" - Al Iannazzone

by strange-brew on Jan 17, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

You are massively overrating some of these guys……and with Dwight guarding the paint the PFs will naturally play outside the lane more often where they lose some of their effectiveness. And how many of these guys do you think can effectively guard Brook? Brook and Dwight would be the closest reincarnation of Duncan and Robinson.

by Ryan243 on Jan 17, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I like where this is going. I think we have a better chance at getting him in FA than we do via Trade.

If the March deadline comes and goes I will be very excited for the prospect of our future. At least we have some real scoring talent:

Brook: 20ppg
DWill: 18ppg
Dwight: 19ppg
Brooks: 15ppg
Mayo (?): 15ppg

…..but again I fear for how willing the Magic are to let him walk. I think the pressure heats up the week before the deadline and the Magic cave.

by acg5001 on Jan 17, 2012 11:23 AM EST reply actions  

The thing every Nets fan should be rooting for is that the Magic keep winning. Assuming the Magic are a top 3-4 seed (currently they are the third seed) I don’t see how the Magic can dismantle their team. It’s an impossible sell to their fan base. Their owner is 85 and has clearly said he wants to win now. If you are a top 3 sed and have the best big man in basketball on your team how do you trade him?

The location of the All Star game is a tremendous benefit as well……you can’t trade the face of your franchise in front of that. So this will drag out into the All Star weekend. At which point, you have two weeks to make a deal. But if you are in contention, selling your fan base on dismantling the team is an impossible sell. Plus, they are legit contenders in the East. And if you win the chip, it makes life a lot easier to convince a guy that he can win in Orlando coming off a victory parade.

I really think that this is setting up to be an all in scenario for the Magic, and you can’t fault them for going that route. Bynum and Lopez are both big steps back, and both are injury concerns, and draft picks are by nature hit or miss. Your best shot to win is with Dwight. We saw the Cards do this with Pujols…..and while they lost him in FA they won the World Series…..so ownership got what they were after. Remember each postseason game is worth BIG money to ownership. And it’s never guaranteed you will even make the playoffs in the next 5 years.

Taking off any blinders – the Magic HAVE no choice but to hang onto Dwight and go all in.

by Ryan243 on Jan 17, 2012 11:51 AM EST reply actions  

Isn’t Anthony Davis a PF?

by Ryan243 on Jan 17, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Have to admit I watched much of the Kentucky/Arkansas game the other night – and I was blown away by Anthony Davis’s interior play and shot blocking ability. I used to be a big fan of Terrence Jones last year and it is not that difficult to fall in love with his game once again as a SF on this team…..While the first Kentucky game I admittedly have seen this season (and can’t make any sound judgement from 1 game) but I was not overly impressed by the play of Gilchrist-Kidd. The announcers mentioned his name multiple times as a great defender and he had a good handle on the break and clearly has athleticism – I don’t see him as a guy who can come in next year and be a big time contributor at the 3. I think he also needs to get stronger to play SF in the Eastern Conference on the defensive side. Again that was only 1 game and I am sure I will see quite a few more Kentucky games from now until the end of the season – but he wouldn’t be my first choice for the draft from kentucky’s roster.

by Ryan243 on Jan 19, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I just don’t see it happening

by iamabeefcake on Jan 18, 2012 4:01 PM EST reply actions  

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