Nets Unlikely To Extend Lopez
by Net Income on Jan 17, 2012 7:35 AM EST
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PrintThe next big deadline for the Nets (and every team with a 2008 first rounder on their roster) is January 25, when teams must sign players to contract extensions or let them become restricted free agents come July 1. David Aldridge writes that Brook Lopez is among those who are highly unlikely to get a new deal in the next week.
"The Nets were not likely to give Lopez, who's the major piece in their potential trade package for Dwight Howard, a new deal to begin with," writes Aldridge. "The fact that Lopez is out for a couple of months with a stress fracture in his right foot seals the (non) deal."
Beyond the machinations of the "Dwightmare", Aldridge points out that most teams are tightening their wallets in the face of what will be tougher CBA restrictions come 2013-14. But with Lopez an RFA, the Nets are gambling on another team making a max or near-max offer for Lopez. Should the Nets trade for O.J. Mayo before January 25, they'll have to make a decision on him, too.
Aldridge also hints that the Nets, along with the Celtics and Wizards, could be in the mix for a healthy Jeff Green this summer. Green, coming off heart surgery, will be an unrestricted free agent.
- Most '08 draftees still trying to convince owners to pay up - David Aldridge - NBA.com
- Draft class of ’08 not getting many contract extensions - Kurt Helin - NBC Sports
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the lopez injury this season makes me
appreciate having a good center more. during dwightmare he got no love now the whole team is doo doo except for brooks, and he isn’t going to get an extension offer? absurd
by SlammaJammaBingBong on Jan 17, 2012 7:46 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Can you name a single RFA that has been extended besides D Rose?
It’s not a slap in the face at all. It would be if he was unrestricted, or maybe even if the Nets didn’t habe cap room, but they do.
And by not extending him, his cap hold will only be for about 7mil, giving the Nets a lot of room under the cap. If they extend, he becomes nearly untradeable as a Base Year Compensation player and will eat up the Net’s cap room, making it impossible to add Brook to a Deron and Dwight team
This should be edited to say unless the nets don't get Howard
Meanwhile back at the ranch…..
by boogeewon on Jan 17, 2012 7:46 AM EST via mobile reply actions
huh?
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Haha
I mean the Nets are unlikely to extend Lopez if they end up getting Howard….
by boogeewon on Jan 17, 2012 8:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
if Dwight goes to the Nets as a FA
then it’s VERY likely they extend him. His cap hold is for less than 8mil
Has anyone done the actual math on this?
Can we have both Lopez, Deron + Dwight (if D12 comes as a FA instead of during the season)?
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If the Mavs can have Dirk, Dwight and Deron as the media love to portray
then, yeah, why not?
2011-2012 season prediction: 22-44
And I'm fine with that. One of the original leaders of the "Dwight Howard, not Nono Hilario" movement.
Well as most of the media is now indicating
The Mavs would basically be able to make an offer to two max players that they might not laugh at… IF they get rid of Haywood and Marion.
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ive been saying this for months
they can get rid of both. Amnesty Haywood. Trade Marion. Marion would be trade-able.
who's going to take on Marion salary
without sending back salary? That’s the only way Dallas can make room, trade and not take back any salary
by domininaldo1981 on Jan 17, 2012 10:17 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
nope
DAL can dump everyone but Dirk and still won’t have room for 2 max deals. Only way to do it is if they amnesty Dirk. Stein acknowledged to me Deron and Dwight would have to take paycuts.
I didn't say max
But they can make offers to two max-level players that they wouldn’t necessarily run and laugh at.
A couple mil short of max for each player.
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I have in my fanpost
http://www.netsdaily.com/2012/1/11/2700723/debunking-the-ddd-mavs-myth
There are MANY different ways to do it, but all it would take is to move Morrow+ Nets’2012 pick, which is the easiest way to lose enough salary, and it looks like this
Deron Williams cap hold: 17,779,458
Brook Lopez cap hold: 7,692,458
MarShon Brooks: 1,160,040
Jordan Farmar: 4,000,000
Johan Petro: 3,500,000
Shawne Wiliams: 3,135,000
Jordan Williams: 762,195
Minumum cap hold x5: 2,450,900
Cap room = 17,563,949, and a stretch clause used on She Williams takes us to the max
Whoa wait we're going to move Morrow
AND our 2012 lottery pick??
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I never said that it has to happen like that
only used that as an example of how it’s very possible to get the max cap room
People might doubt the Nets’ ability to move Farmar, or Petro, or Shw Williams
But there’s no denying that moving Morrow and the pick could EASILY be done.
Farmar did say he's opting out, so if we don't trade him,
we still save on that salary.
hopefullyMemphis see the benefit in that and asks for Farmar instead of Morrow, leaving us with a shooter to send Orlando if this deal still happens.
I wish we never signed Shawne
You play to win the game!
by stevieboyNETS on Jan 17, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
How about we move Farmar or Morrow (whoever is left from the Mayo trade)
and Petro with a pick…..
Yes we can
2012 – 2013 budget
$4 mil – Farmar
$4 mil – Morrow
$1 mil – Brooks
$3 mil – Petro
3 mil – Shawne Williams
600 k – J Willaims
Say $6 mil – two draft picks (our own high one plus Rockets non-lottery)
$7 mil cap hold for B Lo
That’s roughly $29 million. However, it’s likely Billy will dump at least two of the contracts for the Morrow, Farmar, Petro bunch. If they knocked off all three we would be at $18 million including the cap hold for Lopez. Add about $35 million for Williams and Howard and we are at $53 million, about $5 mil below the cap before resigning Brook.
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by BrooklynNets on Jan 17, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
is the ball in our court regarding mayo?
by shethravi on Jan 17, 2012 7:48 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
that's what Kerber has reported
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
so what are we waiting for.....we need guys who can actually play basketball
and he is an expiring deal as well isnt he?
farmar and what type of pick? not the rockets pick?
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jan 17, 2012 7:51 AM EST up reply actions
he will be an RFA as well
if his contract is not extended and it won’t be.
No idea what pick or how much cash because the report out of Memphis had the Nets offering Morrow straight up or Farmar, an unspecified pick and cash. Remember, there is a limit on how much cash a team can use over the course of a year, $3 million. How much of that $3 million do you hold in reserve for a Howard deal?
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
if we sen Farmar will our rotation return to
The one where Gaines was PG?
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by netsareboss on Jan 17, 2012 8:08 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
The Rockets' pick isn't that valuable
The Nets’ 2012 pick is. The Rockets’ pick has a lot of protection. It’s likely not to be moved for a few more seasons
The 25th pick in this draft wasn't that valuable
Until it became MarShon Brooks.
All picks are valuable if you have a good team of scouts and draftnicks.
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picks are only valuable in a trade if the other team wants them
and if the pick is pushed a few years, most teams don’t consider that very valuable
Still has value long term
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Morrow is a good fit with Dwight, while Mayo would kind of replicate some of Marshon's skills with Dwight
I’m torn on the trade. I buy both arguments, pro and con. Trading Farmar and the pick is more acceptable to me, but then they’d be very low on ball handlers, and perhaps they want to hold onto as many picks as possible for later.
2011-2012 season prediction: 22-44
And I'm fine with that. One of the original leaders of the "Dwight Howard, not Nono Hilario" movement.
I am not opposed to having either Marshon or Mayo come off the bench
and be that high score 6th man – always have some kind of offense on the floor.
See Lou Williams with the Sixers
Why didn't they want to extend Brook before he went down?
Is this strictly because of the DH fiasco or are they really just unhappy with Brook? Letting him walk seems ridiculous. Outside of DWill, he’s our best player.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Jan 17, 2012 7:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
they are all-in on Howard
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
We are all in
Except the Lakers are holding the two aces.
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Can you name a single RFA that got extended besides Rose???
It’s not b/c of Howard. Lopez as a RFA, only has a 7.7mil cap hold. So the Nets could have room for a max FA, Deron, AND Brook if they extend him after they sign their max FA.
Westbrook, Love, Gordon – none of them got extended either
And unless you’re going to offer him the max, it’s better to match any offer he gets anyway.
And Westbrook is interesting
What about a trade of Lopez for Westbrook? Harden makes Westbrook expendable, as crazy as that sounds.
Nets could have a core of Williams, Westbrook, Brooks, + high draft pick (most likely a young big man) to entice Dwight with.
WE WANT LOPEZ! clap clap clap clap clap
by BrooklynNets on Jan 17, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
not enough balls to go around with those 3
If I’m trading Brook in means to entice Howard in the off season. I’d do a sign and trade with Atlanta for Josh Smith. He’s one of Dwight’s friends, and the combo of Deron, Smith, Howard, Brooks…wow.
by domininaldo1981 on Jan 17, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
with so many players coming off the books, and if we don't get Dwight this season or summer, maybe the team will be contracted
yes, I woke up grumpy. it’ll pass.
If the NBA is run by evil henchmen, hell bent on conspiracies
Things will start magically going the Nets way as soon as we hit Brooklyn. There is no way Stern wants a failed franchise in the #1 media market with the possibility of their only foreign ownership losing interest and abandoning a franchise.
So if you believe in conspiracies, you ought to believe it’s going to go our way soon.
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by eLonepb on Jan 17, 2012 8:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
if there was a conspiracy
the Nets wouldn’t have gotten screwed earlier when Orlando’s GM had already approved the original deal.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 17, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
Yes they would've, that was the CEO's call
League has no say on that.
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Watched the Nets game last night where Blake Griffin could do anything he wanted and the officials blew two goal tending calls and a replay
Yes, I believe in NBA conspiracies. See: Donaghy, Tim
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by BrooklynNets on Jan 17, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
Makes sense
If we extend Brook, his extension counts against the cap. If they don’t, only his cap hold counts against the cap. He’ll get his money but this gives the Nets more flexibility in the summer.
by KnownAsMacho on Jan 17, 2012 8:03 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Why don't more people understand this?
So many people consider Nets fans to be more educated and realistic in basketball knowledge, but the number of people who think that this is a bad move have proved that to be wrong
I admit at first I freaked
But after a while I figured it out. Hopefully thts the case with the others who say this is bad as well
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by netsareboss on Jan 17, 2012 8:41 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
i guessed I believed it when Nets' fans claimed to be smarter
and seeing all those people freak out over absolutely nothing just got to me
So much for dreams of the most disgusting frontcourt in basketball
I would’ve loved to see Brook and Dwight team up to destroy the league.
Same.
11 + 12. It’s a match made in NBA heaven, what can I say. As a basketball fan, I hope Brook stays, or Dwight comes, or both. As a longtime Nets fan, I know there’s a 90% possibility that Dwight signs elsewhere, Brook pulls a Shaq (our own fault), and Deron will be Dallas’ new star. Oh well.
by Brooklyn-Bound on Jan 17, 2012 8:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
11 + 12 = 23
We could be on to something…
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by netsareboss on Jan 17, 2012 8:36 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
There's so much wrong about that post I won't even bother with most of it
but I will correct you in the Brook cannot walk in 2012 if the NEts want to keep him. He’s a RFA!!! And his cap hold is only for 7.7mil, leaving the Nets with room for another max contract if they only choose to extend him AFTER they use their cap room.
And if Brook were to get a better offer, the Nets could match it and keep him
by Murse Mike on Jan 17, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
His cap hold can turn into 14mill very fast if some team offers him a max contract right out of the gate.
Hopefully Dwight makes up his mind quickly
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by stevieboyNETS on Jan 17, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
He has to sign the offer for that to happen
He won’t. The Nets can offer the most money and most years.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 17, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
If Dwight makes it to FA
you can bet that the Nets will have already sold Brook on the possibility of him and Dwight playing side by side.
by domininaldo1981 on Jan 17, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
they're gambling too much
Even if Dwight comes let’s say a team offers Brook the max the Nets can’t give 3 max contracts. (?)
Deron & Dwight would have to except cheaper deals to keep big disney.~
Seems to me with this move they’re making Brook expendable for the hope they will sign Dwight.
Risky business.
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When you have to shoot, shoot don't talk.
What are you talking about?
The ONLY way for Dwight and Brook to play together is if Brook DOESN’T extend until after the Nets sign DWight as a FA.
Do you know how the salary cap, restricted free agency, or cap holds work? or what a Base Year Compensation player is? SMH…
BYC no longer exists
So your knowledge is not as extensive or as superior as you might believe.
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by Net Income on Jan 17, 2012 9:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 6 recs
I was under the impression the nets might not re-sign lopez at all
Its easy to say we are gonna wait to sign Dwight first, but how long is Lopez going to wait to get paid? I know we can go over the cap to re-sign him but can you really expect him to sit and wait if someone immediately offers him a max deal?
by Frigidevil on Jan 17, 2012 12:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
he's a RFA
it doesn’t matter, Nets can match unless they absolutely are not going to sign him. He can’t just simply sign and walk.
by domininaldo1981 on Jan 17, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully Lopez is here next season.
I miss seeing this guy put up goofy shots and get the And1 he really could be unstoppable on offense.
why in the world are we not resigning Lopez?
Unless we’re getting Dwight for sure this man should be gettin a max deal or something close. He is our center. He deserves more than he’s being credited. Losing Lopez will be King’s greatest mistake.
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by netsareboss on Jan 17, 2012 8:05 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions 1 recs
but it says we're unlikely to resign him
Or would we give him a new contract all-together?
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by netsareboss on Jan 17, 2012 8:18 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Says unlikely to get a new deal
I see it does give off that nuance but probably means “not this year”. We can either match what he gets in his RFA or extend him next year should he just accept the qualifying offer. That is of course if the Dwight trade doesn’t work out.
I have no idea what the Nets are waiting for on the Mayo trade. seriously this team is disgusiting and can't get worse.
by soul driver on Jan 17, 2012 8:09 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
We can still sign Lopez even if he becomes a RFA we have the cap space ,it makes no sense to sign him now with a fracture
Stop all the bitching people.
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As someone said up above…….by not extending in January it gives the Nets maximum flexibility. And as a restricted free agent, the Nets can force the rest of the NBA to set Brook’s value and simply match that contract. I suspect that we will see more of this type of front office maneuvering in the years to come.
OT: but in the last thread guys were making a big deal out of the word "super star"
IMO if losing Brook Lopez is THE reason Deron is Playing badly we can’t call him “Elite” as we thought he was when he first got here. He is not a top 5 player if he rely’s on others to be effective. NOW, AGAIN, before you goblins get all upset and try to attack me, IMO he’s just in a mental slump and it’s not because Lopez is out, but if the problem is Lopez absence then he’s not an Elite player.
You do realize DWill is a point guard and not a scorer, correct? His skill set is facilitating the offense? When there are few scoring options and no offensive post play, it makes this job 10x harder. He is in an unenviable situation as a pg and is pressing to play outside of his comfort zone/specialty. DWill is an elite player – but you need to realize he is a point guard and not a scorer.
by Ryan243 on Jan 17, 2012 8:17 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Sorry I totally missed the part that he was a PG.
Regardless if he’s a PG,C,PF it doesn’t matter. We can make the argument that it hurts his ability to score not having Lopez but it doesn’t make him turn the ball over or shoot this horrible percentage. He is also getting tons of assist from Okur and Morrow on the 3 point line. He also has been playing bad defense, he also can’t seem to finish at the rim or hit a floater. Yes Lopez makes things easier but an Elite player doesn’t look BAD because he’s on a bad team. I’ve seen rookie PG look good on bad teams why can Deron? Again I hope and think he’s just in a mental slump but if his play is because he’s on a bad team (PG or not) than he isn’t Elite, just a very good player
it could be a mental slump
He’s never been used to losing like this on a common basis
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by netsareboss on Jan 17, 2012 8:28 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Let's hope so
I was extremely excited to get DWill. I love PG play more than any other position on the sport. But he has to pick it up
I agree with both Ryan243 & nwkiddnj
You both make good points, He should be playing better because he is just too good of a player (top 8) At least.
On the other hand he cares about winning so much that he is pressing and it has effected his production ,he’s trying to teach the offence while trying to run the team.
You see some players have good numbers on bad teams because they don’t care about the team or winning at that stage of their careers in a lot of cases. Just think back to when we had Stef. Marberry and Stev. Jackson?
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EXCUSES
D-Will does not make ANYONE around him better, he’s a terrible leader, he cannot shoot to save his life, and his turns the ball over at an alarming rate
he’s not top 10. Not even close
He doesn’t have to score a million points. But if his overall level of play was better from start to finish the Nets would have more wins than they have now
by MrDollarBills on Jan 17, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
And his game is predicated on the pick and roll with dominant post players
I know he looks terrible, but he also consistently shows flashes of his elite athleticism, decision making, and ball handling. If he stays after the terrible season we are going to have, then he is the best franchise player anyone could hope for.
WE WANT LOPEZ! clap clap clap clap clap
by BrooklynNets on Jan 17, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, so he's Mark Jackson
Not Magic Johnson.
by Zartan on Jan 17, 2012 11:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And as for the Mayo trade…….you do realize he is a SG right? So assuming the Nets are able to trade Farmar for Mayo (as a RFA I suspect it’s not a first rounder but a second rounder the Nets are offering) does create a bit of a log jam in the back court. Morrow would remain as the shooter off the bench, but this either forces the Nets to play Brooks out of position at the SF with Mayo at the SG or to reduce Brook’s minutes. The only other thing I can think of is that it gives the Nets flexibility in a Howard trade by guaranteeing that we will still have a quality starter at the 2…..and I don’t see Orlando wanting Morrow so he would remain as shooter off bench.
He's def more comfortable as SG
but he’s a combo guard. Even as a PG, would perform much better than any of our PGs not named Williams. Come to think about it, it is surprising we don’t have any other Williams in guards position lol
That's exactly what that move is for. Plus right now, though he is out of position,
MArshon has to play SF, we’ve got noone. Sure it’ll be difficult for him guarding, but it ‘ll be the same for the oppositon. We’ve got noone else, unfortunately.
Wow....this has all the makings...
…of a disaster for the Nets.
- Nets don’t extend Lopez
- D12 traded to Lakers
- Lopez offered max deal from another team; Nets decline to match
-Nets miss out on any other potential FAs during offseason
- DWill leaves
- MarShon is ‘just a scorer’
- Lopez develops into a top 3 center in the league and leads new team to multiple playoff appearances
The Nets won’t decline to match. Why would they? If Deron leaves and Dwight goes to LA we overpay for someone. It worked for the Knicks. They overpaid Amare and that brought Melo. I’m not too worried now that the Nets are willing to spend.
by KnownAsMacho on Jan 17, 2012 8:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Question is...
…will the Nets give Brook a qualifying offer if they’ll have their sites on other big names in Free Agency? I think they’d have to make that decision based on their ‘gut feeling’ of who they might sign. So if they decided not to give him the qualifying offer in the summer…brook goes from restricted to unrestricted(or at least that’s how it was in the old CBA). Do you trust the Nets to make a smart decision here….especially since they’ve been all about going after the big fish and saving money?
the same teams that will have the cap space to offer brook a max contract
will probably be trying to offer Dwight a max contract. So most likely, Brook won’t see offers until after Dwight signs
by domininaldo1981 on Jan 17, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
The Nets will definitely present Brook with the qualifying offer, because that’s how they retain restricted status on his free agency. There’s no risk in that, because his qualifying offer is significantly less than his cap hold anyway. The Nets front office would be leaping for joy if Brook signed the qualifying offer, because that would give us even more 2012 cap room.
Worrying about Lopez leaving
Is way, way down on my list of concerns. If anything, i’d want him to leave so the team could rebuild properly and not dump 10M+ in a center that averaged 6 rebounds and doesn’t play a lick of defense.
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
clearly one season defies a career
Brilliant
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by netsareboss on Jan 17, 2012 8:22 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
He wasn't that great before then, either.
His rebounding has been in decline since his rookie year.
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
one bad rebounding season
ONE.
Smh @ this comment
by MrDollarBills on Jan 17, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry to me it's not even all THAT bad
He literally grabs 2 more rebounds per game (that Hump doesn’t steal) and suddenly he had an excellent rebounding.
Agree there were games he was putrid on rebounding, but his overall average was 6. Two more silly boards and not a single person is knocking him.
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exactly
I would kill to have Lopez here RIGHT NOW.
At least Brook would show up to put the ball in the hoop and never checked out of games. I’ve never gained so much appreciation for a player in such a short amt of time
by MrDollarBills on Jan 17, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
He's soft and always will be, including mentally
But he’s an offensive machine and pretty efficient at it. I absolutely miss him just as much, but he was a pouter too if you recall.
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I wonder how many teams would take a center that is 23 yrs old and averages 20+ points
and around 7 rebs?
WE’RE THE FREAKIN NETS, MAN!!!!!! Are you really gonna complain about Brook Lopez? Only 23 and hasn’t hit his celing yet.
I prefer to think that the 8 boards per are what he is capable of as opposed to last year.
I predicted 23 and 9 and sticking to it – and on the points, that may be 2-3points less than what he could get.
8 rbg is bad as well?
That takes Bynum out of the picture…
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surprising comment
With the team missing Lopez’ 20 points and presence down low you’d think appreciation for him would go up.
"I define passion as extreme emotion."
When you have to shoot, shoot don't talk.
It does in Brooks case
Defise, that is.
I probably have the worste grammar and spelling on netsdaily but that post was funny.
by Zartan on Jan 17, 2012 12:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the guy was blocking shots like a boss
Before he broke his foot
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
by BEB on Jan 17, 2012 8:26 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Actually, the percentage of shots Brook has blocked has also declined every year since entering the league.
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
You do realize that the ball is in the Nets court……they have the right to match any deal made for Lopez. If you extended him now it’s a concrete dollar amount. What if he struggles upon coming back and is no longer capable of playing more than 20 minutes a night? Then the Nets are screwed paying starting center money to a backup. This is/was the prudent move by the Nets. Take a breath. This doesn’t affect the roster next year in a negative way.
Aldridge also hints that the Nets, along with the Celtics and Wizards, could be in the mix for a healthy Jeff Green this summer.
I sure as heck hope not.
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by TWilliAM on Jan 17, 2012 8:18 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Thank God......The front office has brains.......
Lopez is not worth anywheres near Max……..
ummm how much did Jordan get?
he will get max.
They can always do a sign a trade in that case.
They could probably get a few nice assets for him, too.
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
whoa...slow down there...
…lots of people have felt that Lopez is better than Hibbert who is now beginning to look like a legit center. Lopez is not the toughest center in the world but he is more than a nice piece for a team. Not worth max but he doesn’t deserve a slap in the face especially since he’s been a good soldier on a bad team since he’s been in the league.
I'm curious to see if the mavs drops Odom contract
if the opportunity is available for us via free agency, i think the players we should go after are Howard, Odom, and CJ Miles
Having a rough year so far
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Might need a lot of players
If D12 falls through.
Beggars can’t be choosers.
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by Net Income on Jan 17, 2012 9:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Don't beg!
Take what you want or move on.
by Zartan on Jan 17, 2012 12:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
alright I understand the situation now
I thought they were blowing off Lopez but it’s for flexibility and making sure he can perform after the injury. As long as we don’t let him up in FA I’m fine with this. Smart FO we got. In King I trust.
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by netsareboss on Jan 17, 2012 8:23 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
If the Nets extend Lopez e becomes a Base Year Compensation player
and it makes his outgoing salary for matching salaries the average of the rest hi contract, but actual salary only 3mil, making it REALLY hard to match salaries in a trade.
It will also increase the Net’s salary and lower their cap space, should he get anything more than his cap hold which he will. It makes no sense for the Nets to extend him.
Ah, I see now. Thanks.
2011-2012 season prediction: 22-44
And I'm fine with that. One of the original leaders of the "Dwight Howard, not Nono Hilario" movement.
BYC no longer exists
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by Net Income on Jan 17, 2012 9:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lopez > Gasol
and younger too
and the fact the Memphis wants to move Mayo makes him much less valuable , so at the very least
Morrow=Mayo
by Murse Mike on Jan 17, 2012 8:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Do you have any solid basis for that claim?
Because it really hasn’t even been close the last two years. Efficiency and rebounding both go to Gasol.
And that’s ignoring the fact that Gasol is much better defensively.
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
Tons
Gasol if efficient only b/c he plays off of Z-Bo and Gay. It’s easy to be efficient as your team’s 3rd or 4rth option.
Now since Z-Bo is injured, and he’s now the team’s goto post guy, his efficiency has dropped significantly with more touches, just like his defense
Spurious claims aside...
My point stands.
BTW, based on this year’s performance, Gasol would be the Nets best player by a wide margin…. but apparently, he can’t play without Z-Bo (or Gay, who is just awful).
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
Yeah, nevermind the years of chemistry and the loads of talent around him
That has nothing to do with his good play…
All sarcasm aside, Lopez has proven himself to be VERY reliable even without any talent at all around him, and he’s several years younger.
I’d be willing to concede that they’re just about equal in talent (even though I don’t think they are), but even if they are, Lopez being years younger and with most potential to grow makes him much more valuable
Lopez has been a good player....
He’s just not good when he’s grabbing 6.1 rebounds per 36 minutes.
Nobody in the NBA would take Lopez over Gasol. That’s just a fact.
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
no
Nobody in the NBA would take Lopez over Gasol. That’s just a fact.
That’s an opinion. Lopez’ 6.1 r/36 was the exception to his career, not the norm
Well, nobody competent at least.
Lopez was a below-average rebounder the year before, too. Not as awful as last year, but certainly not “good”.
http://www.thenbageek.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&season=2010&player_ids%5B%5D=196
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
I would
M. Gasol is a very overrated player, who has the same limitations that Brook does. Except Brook is a more proven scorer and has a bigger offensive repertoire.
NI posted during the summer a comment made about Lopez in terms of him stating that he'll have no problem playing next to Dwight Howard, since he played the 4 at Stanford
I wonder how aware is Lopez of the situation, and eventhough we presented the opportunity of a Howard/Lopez duo frontcourt, is Lopez and Howard aware of that potential scernario? does that make Howard want to ride the season out, like DWill currently doing?
Doubt it will happen
If Nets get Howard, they will have little room for Lopez who will get a max offer in summer maybe from Disney World
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by Net Income on Jan 17, 2012 9:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
stop whining
The only way Lopez isn’t on this team next year is if Howard is he. This isn’t as big of a deal as most of you are making it out to be.
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by BEB on Jan 17, 2012 8:30 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
just read some of the prior comments
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
by BEB on Jan 17, 2012 8:33 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I’ve been one of the more optimistic fans but the talk about Howard adding teams to his list of preferred destinations has put me on the fence in regards to the Nets future…
Yeah , DWILL probably told him that it sucks here now......
Hey Dwight, Do you believe that these fans are getting on me now for not playing hard or trying…..
My hope is that Howard comes to the Nets via free agency.
That way we’ll actually have a cromulent team around him and DWill. You figure the Nets will take a PF/SF prospect in the draft.
They could be really good really fast in that scenario.
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
If we can't win a Chanpionship with
Deron,Dwight,Lopez than no one will lol. That front court would be so insane.
Definitely contender
But LeBron, Wade, Bosh couldn’t win it either. I’m just saying it’s not 100%. Don’t want you ending up homeless, buddy lol
At least 3 yrs?
At most
Plan A all the way: Brook, Brooks, Deron, Dwight and a top draft pick SF
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 18, 2012 9:01 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
the plan
Dwill and Dwight opt out
Nets sign Dwight and AK47
Nets can then sign Dwill Lopez and Hump and go over the cap
stevenson?
ITS A VVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEEEEE
no way that works
The Nets will have to renounce Hump and Okur, their 2012 pick, AND remove either Morrow or Farmar
And still the Nets would be a few 100k short of offering Dwight a max deal
they have won 3 straight
Keep it up!
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by BEB on Jan 17, 2012 8:47 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Doubt they make the playoffs
I think Golden State and the TWolves are more likely to rally into a playoff spot if one becomes available
Lopez is the most important player on this team because we have no one else to play in the post. Nets would have a better record right now if Dwill were injured instead of Lopez.
"Beware the Ides of March."
never thought of that
but I would have to agree. Famar can produce as a starter much better than any of Lopez’ replacements have
Don't be too sure we'd have a better record if
Lopez was healthy and it was DWill who was injured.
The Nets record with Lopez right before the DWill trade was 17-40, or .293, which translates to a 4-10 record instead of 3-11 now. But remember that was with Harris and Favors, not with Gaines and Shelden. The opposing defense would collapse on Lopez as they do now with DWill. Not sure Farmar-Gaines could get him the ball as well.
DWill needs Lopez (or Howard). And Lopez would also need DWill.
I'm not too sure
it’s a hypothetical, but it makes sense to me
The Nets record with Lopez right before the DWill trade was 17-40, or .293, which translates to a 4-10 record instead of 3-11 now. But remember that was with Harris and Favors, not with Gaines and Shelden.
What about Brooks, did he get hurt in this hypothetical scenario? Of course we would be better of if DWill was hurt instead of Lopez.
He has a 7-1 wingspan and averaged 7.1 rebounds in the Big East. He will be one of the top players when we look back on this draft 3 years from now. DWILL-of-the-GODZ June 3, 2011
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jan 17, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
You mean our record before D-Will came here last year.
That was pretty good. This team sucks man; neither B-Lo nor D-Will can do jack with this kind of talent around.
This is not a B-Lo vs D-Will thing. The team sucks, and for a reason at this point. At least we are lead to believe so.
We shall see what our team will look in Brooklyn sometime end of October.
I think our team would be pretty darn good if Lopez were healthy.
Dwill would be playing better also.
"Beware the Ides of March."
I agree it would be better!!!
We saw flashes last year, with D-Will playing in one hand.
But still this is nothing what is expected entering Brooklyn.
I think that we are in good state, and I strongly believe that D-Will is not leaving, D12 or not.
Hopefully we’ll have D12 on board, but even if he does not come compare the options for D-Will.
- You got one of the better young centers in B-Lo.
- Pretty damn good rookie in SWAG.
- Plenty of cap (which in Newark means nothing, but in Brooklyn means gold)
- Loads of picks that can be turned into a good player, or used in draft.
Better days are coming, IMO.
That's just sad, but true.
DWill has been a tick above replacement this year. :(
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
disagree
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by netsareboss on Jan 17, 2012 12:43 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I think more importantly
Isn’t one of the benefits of Lopez in a trade is that the Magic can then decide what to do with him? Unlike a Bynum who can walk after next season.
Magic will have the opportunity to feel the market out and match whatever other teams offer. Or decline it if they so choose.
Worst case for them, they get a huge salary dump out of this deal + lottery pick + MarShon Brooks + (rights to offer OJ Mayo best deal?).
Of course they get the same with Bynum + Gasol if they both leave Orlando, but no lottery pick or MarShon.
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Mayo wouldn't go to Orlando
he would’ve had to be on the Nets’ roster already in order to be available to be traded by Mar15, 60 days needed
Yes he can
In a straight up deal. Just not in one that has multiplayers.
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This is an absolute disaster.
What ever happened to taking care of your own? I get – and hate – this whole Dwight or Bust attitude, but what I don’t get is why it’s being reported that Brook wasn’t going to get a new deal to begin with, even without Dwight. WHY? He’s been our best player and is one of the most serviceable centers in the league. The most disturbing thing to me is this: “with Lopez an RFA, the Nets are gambling on another team making a max or near-max offer for Lopez,” which sadly I think is going to happen. If Dwight decides to bolt Orlando and go to a different team, how painfully ironic would it be for Brook to end up in Orlando as a signed free agent? I can’t say it’s impossible, nor can I say I will blame Brook. If I were Brook, I wouldn’t feel wanted right now. The Nets are slowly destroying themselves.
it's a business decision
The nets will match any offer on brook unless they sign Howard. Relax, dude.
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by BEB on Jan 17, 2012 8:57 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I hope you're right...
Sadly, I don’t know the meaning of the word “relax.” I just hope you’re right…everything I’ve been reading is not promising…
If Dwight isn't traded for Lopez
then the Nets could get Deron, Dwight, AND Brook together. But the only way to do that is to not extend Lopez until after they sign their other FAs, namely Dwight
Certainly agree that Dwight coming via FA is certainly the best case scenario
Now I also see how having to deal with extending Lopez at the same time can be tricky… If Dwight were to come as FA I really hope things go swiftly and have both signed within first few days…
Basically you are saying we should sign all the FAs we are going to sign first because Lopez’s extension will put us over the cap, right? If not over, drastically reduce.
Even if we miss out on Howard…I still can’t picture Dwill leaving.
The draft is stacked with bigs.
We would have:
Dwill
MarShon
Someone from Freeagency
An Athletic PFr with the top 3 pick
Brook Lopez
Plus that fifth year…$$$$
"Beware the Ides of March."
Do you see the look on his face?
the way he has played? what leads you to believe this?
by MrDollarBills on Jan 17, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I think he's gone gone
If we don’t get Dwight.
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The Nets would still have a good chance of keeping him
They will have MarShon, a high pick, Lopez, morrow, and cap room to sign a max FA. And with a rich owner with the ability to offer a front loaded max offer with HUGE signing bonus, it’s not out of the question to steal another team’s star RFA
The Jazz had to take out a loan to match the offer to Milsap, and his contract wasn’t anywhere close to max
"sign a max FA"
Who?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-11-12
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exactly what I was thinking
who are they going to sign??
The Nets have ZERO chance of keeping him if they don’t get Howard. ZERO.
Deron’s foot is out of the door. You guys are in denial and I hate to see this because there will be a lot of broken hearts either come March of this summer
by MrDollarBills on Jan 17, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not saying zero
But I do believe, and always have, that he’ll go to Dallas if we don’t get Dwight.
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With what bench though?
I’m not saying the bench will be dramatically better right away but another advantage of having D-Will and Dwight together is that it will lure decent vets smelling the ring, who would be willing to take a pay cut.
Deron isnt happy. Life isnt about money. He doesnt want to rebuild. He doesnt want to lead
If we don’t get Dwight, he will and should leave .Wrong situation for him.
by orangeeater on Jan 17, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm screen-capturing this.
This is a first for me. I respect you as a poster.. so this made my day! (not sarcastic)
I just think that the Nets wouldn't sacrifice Brook Lopez
if they didn’t have very strong assurances that Dwight is going to come here. This is another positive sign for the Nets, if Aldridge’s report is true.
2011-2012 season prediction: 22-44
And I'm fine with that. One of the original leaders of the "Dwight Howard, not Nono Hilario" movement.
The Nets have based their immediate future
on the HOPE that Howard comes here.
I wouldn’t be confident about anything, this could just be another blunder
by MrDollarBills on Jan 17, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
im sure BK and ownership knows what they are going up against
if dwight fails they will have other scenarios to play out just like with dwill and carmelo
ITS A VVVVVVCCCCCCCCCCC THREEEEEEEEEEEEE
I completely agree
You’re speaking my language, Mr. Dollar Bills. This is exactly what I have been saying all along.
this could just be another blunder
What was the first blunder?
Not giving Nene a max contract offer? I’m glad they didn’t do that.
Or was the first blunder trading for Deron in the first place? I’m willing to accept the argument that we should have kept Favors and the pick that resulted in Kanter and built organically. But I recall you saying trading for Deron was a no-brainer because there was very little risk involved.
2011-2012 season prediction: 22-44
And I'm fine with that. One of the original leaders of the "Dwight Howard, not Nono Hilario" movement.
the first blunder? we can start with Rod Thorn’s idiocy during his last two seasons as GM, and then work our way from there
by MrDollarBills on Jan 17, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
and I really don't care that we traded garbage ass Harris
by MrDollarBills on Jan 17, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
but Tom
all I’m saying…there are too MANY factors swirling around here to be confident. Way too many
by MrDollarBills on Jan 17, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
when can FA's start signing with teams?
July something, right?
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by BEB on Jan 17, 2012 10:18 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
maybe
Dwill
Mayo
W chandler
Hump
Lopez
Bench
Brooks
D james
Drafts
by brickznujerz on Jan 17, 2012 9:14 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I sincerely hope
Whoever we draft is better than Wilson Chandler, whom I’m not sure how we get. Is he FA this year?
Chandler
Signing someone like Chandler would be a good move, but it would require emptying our pockets a little bit. I’m not too sure that BK would go for that since LeBron becomes a free agent in a few years and I’m pretty sure King has assurance that LBJ is on his way. Might as well wait it out and preserve cap.
To us it is not necessary to Mayo. We need to develop talent of MarShon. Mayo is more expensive, they are comparable in attack,in it the potential of the good defender . Mayo can’t essentially strengthen us. This trade can occur only because MarShon will be a part of trade Howard.
I don't speak English
Mayo would help us now and in the offseason
Mayo can start at SG and Brooks at SF.
Also, Mayo is an expiring who’d clear salary for next season (whether it be Morrow or Farmar) — which could be important in that super ideal scenario of getting Dwight in the offseason while also re-signing Lopez. And if Brooks (hopefully not) is traded with Lopez, at least we’d still have a starting SG.
I agree with RN
I like Mayo but he’ll probably hurt MarShon’s development
another mercenary player that will freeze the rookie out because he needs to make sure his stats are popping for this summer’s free agency
we need a small forward
by MrDollarBills on Jan 17, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
We need ballers period
This team has zero ballers outside of Deron and Marshon, and Deron is playing like crap. Replacing Ammo or Farmar with Mayo will do nothing but help. It’s up to the coach to make it work( not really saying much). Not saying the Mayo is the cure, but just playing good basketball is more beneficial to Brooks’ development, than him averaging 19 points in 20 point blowouts. Marshon has convined me that he is going to get his regardless. I feel it’s more important for the team to play good basketball, with actual nba talent in close games. At worst it just means we get a gaurd than can actually dribble, pass and shoot. sigh*
OUTLAW > BROOK'S SHOE
Net Income or ND.. is Proky going to come to a game this season?
or will be absent all year. I know he is busy but still…
Its a losing team and NJ means jack to him
I doubt he’s coming to a single game when bigger things are at stake in Russia.
I think he is a horrible owner
He has money and that helps. But I think he is a disaster. Not as bad as Ratner.. but the all about Brooklyn makes me think this really is all about the real estate deal. Build the team’s value (with stars) and them dump team to a new ownership group. Flip the asset and stroke his ego.
by orangeeater on Jan 17, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Major props
Finally somebody who doesn’t like the star chasing strategy goes after the guy who put that strategy in place. Thank you, orangeeater.
2011-2012 season prediction: 22-44
And I'm fine with that. One of the original leaders of the "Dwight Howard, not Nono Hilario" movement.
The outrageous shedding salary to sign Lebron strategy...
…was instituted before Proky became the owner, pal. Remember 12-70?
We shedded salary to sell the team to a new owner
Ratner was losing money and decided to cut his costs by shedding salary.
2011-2012 season prediction: 22-44
And I'm fine with that. One of the original leaders of the "Dwight Howard, not Nono Hilario" movement.
Lebron was a pipe dream being sold by the Nets
just like Carmelo, and now Dwight.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 17, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Give it a rest man
Dwight has ASKED TO BE TRADED TO THE NETS.
It’s not a pipe dream being sold by the franchise. They didn’t just make that up.
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which is now in turn directing the team to a new city, a bigger market and much bigger things
this stuff is business, not some middle school basketball tournament.
He's willing to spend...
…unlike all our other owners before, except maybe when we were owned by YankeeNets (which coincidentally was when we went to the Finals), so that automatically makes him one of our best owners.
I agree that his obsession with landing multiple superstars has landed us in this mess though, but fact is that there is an enormous need for us to field a competitive and exciting team for the first year in Brooklyn because that is our one chance to get out of the Knicks’ shadow.
Its just a tough situation for the team, especially since the strategy started before he became our owner.
In vain you so think. For it game it not business. He put up many years money in CSKA, this command was very strongly unprofitable. He loves this game. You awake him to see constant on matches when we awake with a competitive team
I don't speak English
I write on Russki, and the translator translates. I at school studied the French language
I don't speak English
It was a joke I was referring to you as Pro......
Never mind. Great point though, Proky does love basketball
I have now understood that you meant
I don't speak English
by RussianNets on Jan 17, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
this is all part of the plan c (sign Dwight in off season plan)
If this comes to fruition, and I believe it does because I don’t see Orlando trading Howard this season, the nets would automatically have a super team. Maybe even better because of our depth and draft ability.
let alone the trade chip lopez and a lottery pick from this draft would be.
We could easily net an already established star.
Sad state of affairs
when it becomes obvious that D-Will needs Brook more than Brook needs him!!
Lopez performed consistently with garbage around him
Deron plays like crap and checks out
Get well soon Big Disney when this plan blows up in the Nets faces you’ll get your money!!
Don't be too sure
(same issue, so just copy-pasting this from reply above)
Don’t be too sure we’d have a better record if Lopez was healthy and it was DWill who was injured.
The Nets record with Lopez right before the DWill trade was 17-40, or .293, which translates to a 4-10 record instead of 3-11 now. But remember that was with Harris and Favors, not with Gaines and Shelden — would that mean an extra loss or two? The opposing defense would collapse on Lopez as they do now with DWill. Not sure Farmar-Gaines could get him the ball as well.
DWill needs Lopez (or Howard). And Lopez would also need DWill.
I never said that
I am talking about individual performance alone
The opposing defenses have collapsed on Brook every season he’s been in the league and his scoring average INCREASED year to year
Brook was productive offensively before D-Will, and he will after the bum leaves
by MrDollarBills on Jan 17, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
Productive offensively but can't get enough wins
While DWill obviously needs quality bigs to fluorish, Brook would improve further and help us to wins if he has a PG like DWill, just based on the Nets record the years he’s been here. Brook can go 20ppg again and we’d still be a .300 team. But with DWill, he’d get his numbers or more and get us more wins as well.
point is, Lopez is productive with or without Deron, while Williams is GARBAGE with him
by MrDollarBills on Jan 17, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
18 and 8 is garbage?
The 35% FG and 4 TOs sucks but going 18 and 8 without Lopez isn’t garbage.
If DWill were out and Lopez went 20 and 8, it still wouldn’t look amazing if we were 3-11.
Williams is playing like garbage point blank
you can try to spin it how you want, 18 pts on 35 FG% is garbage
4 TOs a game is GARBAGE
his play is as bad as his attitude
by MrDollarBills on Jan 17, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
I'm tired of talking about Lopez and Howard...
How about that Marshon Brooks? In the top 20 among SGs in TS%. Top 20 in turnover rate. Top 20 in usage. Fourth in offensive rebound rate. Eleventh in total rebound rate.
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
by TWilliAM on Jan 17, 2012 9:23 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
But let's not give him the ball in the 4th crunchtime
Especially after he just nailed a huge clutch shot to tie the game.
I’m hoping for a few more Farmar isolations and missed 3’s.
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this is why I can't take this team seriously at all
Amateur hours from top to bottom
this kid CASUALLY hit that game tying shot bro. CASUALLY. It looked like he was just taking a warm up J at the park before a run.
And then the Nets freeze him out
I really don’t care man. I’ll gladly keep Brook, MarShon, and our #1 pick. At least they don’t behave like little pissant female dogs
by MrDollarBills on Jan 17, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
yeah they are
my neighbor used to raise pits in his basement when I lived in a bad neighborhood during my youth
weights attached to chain collars. good times.by MrDollarBills on Jan 17, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
we can talk about Brooks, and how the team’s veterans decided to freeze him out of the offense yesterday
by MrDollarBills on Jan 17, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
Could of easily scored 30 yesterday
Thank you Avery for being so smart Face palm
by nwkiddnj on Jan 17, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Avery, Deron, Farmar
all at fault
I would think that Deron, being such a great leader, would say “hmm…this kid…yeah he’s balling…let me get him the ball in spots where he can score”
nah. why bother with that
by MrDollarBills on Jan 17, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
I blame Avery more. He is the Head coach
And if we all remember in that game he can yell “get Deron the ball” pretty loud. I didn’t hear that for MarShon
Avery continued to play Deron off the ball and Farmar at point late in the 4th
Marshon didn’t get the ball. Coincidence? For all Deron’s bad play, he does look for Marshon, has no problem giving him space, and doesn’t freeze him out like Farmar. Just what I saw with my eyes.
you know what
you make a great point. No argument here, because he does.
Personally though…if he’s the leader…he should make it known that the hot hand should get the ball
he didn’t care enough, obviously.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 17, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
I'm with you and everybody else who think Marshon should've gotten the ball late in the 4th
The kid is amazing and cool as ice. But Avery calls the plays. If DWill called the plays, some people here would be up in arms against Asst GM playing Asst Coach. It was Avery’s call, good or bad.
I would prefer that D-Will did assume more responsibility
because Avery’s play calling sucks
his offensive sets involve the wing players standing on the perimeter twiddling their thumbs while there is ZERO post presence on the floor.
These losses aren’t just all because we have little talent
by MrDollarBills on Jan 17, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Bright spots this year?
MarShon Brooks. Billy King and cheap tickets. FTW
by nwkiddnj on Jan 17, 2012 9:33 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
cheap tickets is an understatement
My coffee at Dunkin costs more than Nets tickets right now.
by JimmyLips on Jan 17, 2012 10:59 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
here's a situation
say howard makes it to free agency but is still wavering on a decision and wants to go through all of his options (like lebron did) and his free agency drags out. at the same time, right when free agency starts, some team offers Lopez a huge contract. how long do we get to match or pass? because if this happens we would be in quite a pickle.
by Prash Ramani on Jan 17, 2012 9:38 AM EST via Android app reply actions
I thought it was shorter now
Like 3 days or something.
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In order for the Nets to sign DH12 and retain Brook
Howard would have to sign immediately as soon as FA starts
with the way this dude waffles back and forth and diddles around, I wouldn’t expect it to go that smoothly.
yeah
don’t take my word for it but I think that Brook can be signed to an offer sheet the moment FA begins
not sure how that impacts the whole cap hold thing
all i know is that if DH12 hits FA, he will take his sweet time, screwing over the Nets in the process
by MrDollarBills on Jan 17, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
As soon as Lopez gets an offer
That offer replaces his cap hold, which is why we need to sign D12 ASAP. If he takes his time, and Brook gets an offer higher than his cap hold (likely) we’ll have to renounce Lopez to maintain the cap space to sign D12.
on a brighter note, there are really only 3 teams who will be involved with him in free agency
Nets, Magic, Mavs
could be quicker
My next fan post will be ripping Prokhorov.. As Nets management reads the site, i encourage all to rec it
Prokhorov needs to be called out.
I’m sure it is complete coincidence.. and I have no false pretenses.. but shortly after my fanpost (on the rec list) ripped Proky last season… he announced he was coming to the US and walked away from the Carmelo talks
I dion’t claim or think my post mattered..
What does matter is he realizes we need more than an absentee owner
Deron could just leave
Prokhorov giving him a stern glare will not matter one bit. This dude has been playing the Nets the entire time
non committal(and why should he be, all the Nets do is operate off of hope and empty promises), and his play reeks of a player that does not want to play for the team that he’s on.
Yeah yeah billy…i’ll be assistant GM…its a win win for me either way
by MrDollarBills on Jan 17, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
true.. but Proky needs to take responsibility for his mess...
Im with you on Deron leaving.. but we need an owner to get pissed and involved,
Prokhorov does not understand the NBA at all. Nor does he care.
encourage all to rec it
if we like it…we’ll rec it.
no need to ask for recs
"Beware the Ides of March."
by Andy. on Jan 17, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Begging for rec's is lame
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"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
by eLonepb on Jan 17, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Why Prok
Clearly he has more pressing things he is doing.
People need to stop pointing fingers at Proky.
He has appointed people to take care of the business operations.
Ownership has nothing to do with this.
Operations has nothing to do with this either. BKing has put us in a VERY GOOD spot. Yeah the Dwill trade was a risk but at the time it was WELL WORTH it. Now BKing has put us in a spot to get DWight which is WELL WORTH it. Now BKing could say to ORL forget about the Dwight trade, we are keeping our ASSETS.
Then LOOK over to DWILL – you are either IN OR OUT. IF you are OUT, DO YOU LIKE OKC? You want to win RIGHT. Three team trade DWill for Harden, IBAKA, and picks. Trade Westbrook somewhere else and get a PG back from other team.
BLAME NEEDS TO GO TO
AVERY for his lack of decision making.
DWill for his lack of leadership and shot making
Go for it, but there will probably be a backlash; so be prepared. Prokhorov is still a sacred cow.
2011-2012 season prediction: 22-44
And I'm fine with that. One of the original leaders of the "Dwight Howard, not Nono Hilario" movement.
he'll get a good deal
I don’t see him getting the max.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 17, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
Lopez is eligible for a smaller max than Nene
starting at $14.5m. Nene could have started at $17.5m I think.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 17, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Some feel he is
Some feel he’s a replacement for Brooks when he’s sent to Orlando.
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They would be crazy not to
Of course, Woj said that when Orlando starts talking deals for Dwight, “the conversation will be with LA”
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Man, if they ship Brooks and Lopez to Orlando the year they leave NJ...
I think my fanship may be going with them.
OJ Mayo’s second season at age 22:
17.5 per game in 38 minutes, .458 from the field, .383 from downtown, .809 from the stripe, 3.8 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal, 2 turnovers and 2 fouls.
I’ve never really had the opportunity to watch Mayo do his thing but the stats say they are actually similar players. Can anyone who has watched Mayo SIGNIFICANTLY comment on that?
Mayo was great early in his career
I remember being at games where he’d almost single handedly kill us. I don’t know why he’s seen his minutes shrink every year.
I just wonder whether Brooks can avoid that same path. His shot isn’t always going to fall and when it doesn’t he needs to be able to develop his off ball game
Brooks is bigger than Mayo
I think that helps a lot. Even if he has a bad shooting game, he still deflects passes & rebounds. If he can put some more muscle on, he can be a very good starter.
I do think he could benefit a lot from a coach that emphasizes ball movement. That’s where his game is really lacking. He needs to be able to set other players up, and score when being set up, not just in isolation. If we could bring back a guy like Eddie Jordan to be an assistant coach, I think he could really improve his game.
With the date for Mayo to be re-tradable by March apparently having passed, that could be. Maybe BK’s just placed a reservation of Morrow for Mayo with Memphis for the trade deadline. Orlando won’t want Morrow because they already have Redick but they could like Mayo. Mayo’s expiring but will be an RFA, unlike Gerald Wallace who’ll be unrestricted.
He can be traded 1 for 1
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He can be traded 1 for however many
He just can’t be packaged with another Nets player.
What happened?
He’s never been good at defense and he’s never been good at creating his own shot. He’s always been a lights out 3 point shooter when given room, and it appears he still is.
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Coach Joe, this is nothing new for Anthony Morrow. He is a one dimensional 3 point shooter who takes himself out of the offense many times just by being bad at other areas of the game.
yeah forgot about the lack of
defense, passing, ball handling, strength, quickness, etc
in a dream world....
we could call the knicks and talk about a landry fields anthony morrow trade. Some may scoff now with the way Fields is playing but he’s playing out of position at the 2 and we could use him at the 3. Too bad this scenario would never happen
He has always been a bench player
He also needs to realize – CATCH AND SHOOT. If you miss it, it is ok. Better to miss the 3pt shot then to TO a drive to the basket.
Morrow is only good for Korver, Capono, and House roll.
He's not even catch and shoot
like other specialist shooters who can do it quickly off the screen, like say Korver or Redick. Morrow needs to be standing still and set when he gets the pass.
I agree with you there too
why have Dwill running around like a chicken without a head but Morrow isnt doing that too.
Imagine if both of them are doing that. I dont get it.
SMFH!!!!
Morrow should have been in that game yesterday down the stretch.
Instead Farmar bricked a corner three that we needed. Morrow has showed he can hit a big shot in crunch time and i feel it was a major mistake by Avery to leave him on the bench.
BACK TO THE YOUTH MOVEMENT
This looks like 2010 all over again.
I hope BKing is as MISGUIDED as Thorn was.
Mayo for Farmar and future pick get it done. Nightmares of Beasley for Dooling all over again.
DWill you dont want to be here. No problem. OKC for Harden, Ibaka, and Pick
Mayo, Brooks, Barnes, IBAKA, Lopez
Pick PG, Harden, Boj, JWill, Pick SF/PF
BROOKLYN, WE GO YOUNG!!!!!!!
Two things
1) if Dwill can play with Gaines and Farmar at the same time why not Dwill and Westbrook.
2) If that doesnt work, Bking should look for another Team hopefully one that is in the lottery and trade Westbrook to that team for their pick. I dont want Westbrook. he and Dwill are the same players. PGs that want to shoot. I preferred Dwill when he didnt think he was a shooting guard. Avery once again not learning from his mistakes. HARRIS. SMH!!!!!!!
Sure Dwill can play w/ Gaines
or me for that matter. Neither is good idea. Both of them NEED the ball to be effective.
I don’t think Dwill thinks he’s a SG. I think he really hates being forced to play like one since we lack the fire power.
He used to get
20 – 10 playing PG why does he have to play SG to get 20+ points.
That is what I DONT UNDERSTAND.
Paul plays PG and gets his points. Why does the have to play like a SG.
DRIVE THE BALL and KICK it out when you break the Defense. Let the SGs run around screens. I can see them doing it once and awhile but REALLY.
The issue
Is that we need guys that we need more ball handlers on the court. Opponents trap DWill & force the ball out of his hands, but when he’s on the court with guys like Hump, Morrow & James, giving them the ball is a turnover waiting to happen.
Brooks has helped some as he can also handle the ball. Stevenson is an ok ball handler. Other than those two & our PGs, nobody can put the ball on the floor. It’s not an issue of wanting to play DWill at SG. It’s that he’s better suited to play SG than Farmar or Gaines.
3 reasons the magic dont trade Howard
1.Magic feel that are not getting good enough compensation
2.Owner wants to see them win a championship, best way would be with Howard this year.
3.CEO hasn’t drunk called him yet
I saw on the NetsDaily twitter that DeAndre Jordan can’t be traded until 7/1, why is that? Is it because he was a restricted free agent or specifically because they matched an offer sheet?
Fire Brian Schottenheimer.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/1000000-Jets-fans-against-Brian-Schottenheimer/104252133024352
Probably because he’ll be in the air until then. That man can fly
by mytoemytoe on Jan 17, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Sounds like David Aldridge is talking out of his butt
Reporting his opinion on the Nets interest in Lopez long-term. If we couldn’t get Dwight, there’s no doubt we’d re-sign Lopez.
How about the Nets trade Avery Johnson for the expiring contract of Mike D’Antoni. If we’re not going to play defense we might as well play a bunch of offense.
Hell NO
How about this
Trade Dwill to OKC with a third team
Fire AVERy
Hire Sloan. Sloan with these young guys would be great.
No Thanks too
2010 all over again.
Go after Phil only to lose him to the Knicks.
No THANKS. Sloan or PJ or Elie.
After seeing what D-Will has to offer as the main focus of defenses
I wouldn’t be surprised if the clippers emerge as Howard’s top pick because Deron looks like fools gold this far and needs Howard more than Howard needs him…. Oh well at least the nets are still on his list right?
by boogeewon on Jan 17, 2012 10:24 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Damn really regretting
buying the Dwill Jersey and T-Shirt.
I usually customize my NETS stuff but SMFH!!!!!
I'm waiting for the new Jerseys to buy anything
by devin34harris on Jan 17, 2012 10:33 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
i just bought the repica jersey
Til he re signs he’s a rental
by DJ HeavyDuty on Jan 17, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not buying any jersey
Until after the trade deadline. If we still have MarShon, I’m getting his jersey in the throwback form we’ll wear this year.
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"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Enlighten me
Why again are the Grizzlies willing to move Mayo for what you all perceive as lesser talent?
lol Parsons
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by eLonepb on Jan 17, 2012 10:38 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Glad to see someone getting blake. after yesterday, this kid is rubbing me the wrong way. Annoyed at his antics and tough guy act.
by NetsFan4e88 on Jan 17, 2012 11:57 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yea he was punking the Nets all night
Glad Stevenson sat Blake down and Sheldon battled with him late in the game
OUTLAW > BROOK'S SHOE
wow...smh
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
The Most Interesting Man In The World---->Mikhail Prokhorov!!!
by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 17, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Per Rotoworld:
The Clippers and Magic have held no “serious discussions” about Dwight Howard since before the lockout.
A report from Chris Sheridan had Howard adding the Clippers to his list of preferred teams, but the Clippers haven’t spoken to the Magic in quite some time. We still don’t expect a resolution much before the March 15 deadline, and this certainly isn’t the last time we’ll hear of a development on the Howard trade front./blockquote>
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
The Clippers aren't an option
they aren’t trading Griffin, therefore the talk of him possibly going to LAC stops there.
I think if the Magic offer Howard for Griffin straight up....
….they would consider it. Dwight is still a bigger name, and a better player.
And Clippers would counter-offer Griffin for Howard, because...
….the Magic ain’t getting anyone better than Griffin back in any of the other trade proposals being floated around.
I doubt it.
Face it, our chances at Dwight are getting slimmer and slimmer as Nets/DWill continues to stink and other teams get more attractive.
Griffin...
…would fit right into the Magic perfectly and help them compete THIS year, will stay a Magic for the foreseeable future, and still has tremendous upside.
No way they let that one go.
I can not see the Clippers consider Griffen for Dwight unless Sterling has completely lost his mind
Griffen is a little younger but more importantly much cheaper.Dwight may be a bigger name or better player now, but Blake isn’t to far behind in his second year
by SovietBrooklyn on Jan 17, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Horford and Noah as precedents
Back to the main thread. I understand why we are not signing Brook to an extension now, but am curious about what his market value will be. Some have said that he would be a max extension. I like Brook a lot, but don’t see anyone offering him that. Under the last and, theoretically at least, more lucrative CBA, Al Horford and Joachim Noah both got five year extensions for $60 million. Who knows what is going on with Noah this season, but Horford is a two-time all-star, albeit injured. I think that Brook’s market value is a lot closer to what these guys got than Rose’s deal.
58-8
i think he'll command that
Not sure what the max is for him but he’ll get it or near that.
by 1stnamelastname on Jan 17, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
OK, one vote for close to $95 million
Rose got $94.8 million over five years. Not sure why anyone would think Brook deserves that. Brook has never been an all-star much less an MVP, never played on a winning team, has an injury history, and his rebounding reputation around the league is poor. I don’t mean to knock the guy because as I’ve said I like him, but these are facts. I don’t think Brook will get much over $60 milllion over five.
55-11
he is not
eligible to recieve the same contract that rose was given
by watchoutBLo on Jan 17, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Good catch
This is an important point. The “Derrick Rose Rule” in the current CBA enables a player with coming off his rookie contract to sign for 30% of their cap if he appeared in two All-Star Games, was named to an All-NBA Team twice, or was named MVP. So the Nets could offer Brook a maximum of between $70 and $75 million for five years. Other teams could only offer a maximum of four years in the $55 to $60 million range. Please correct me if I am wrong in any of this.
This further supports my contention that Brook will get a deal in line with those signed by Horford and Noah—he is unlikely to turn down more money from the Nets (or Magic) than he could get elsewhere, especially after suffering a foot injury in his contract year.
55-11
SO can anyone tell me how this whole Dwight thing works IF in fact the Magic decide to lose him for nothing? What date can Dwight then go sign with a new team? I dont know if I can wait another whole summer.
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
I hope Dwight signs the deal first thing July 1st morning
Gives us better chance w/ other free agents, and some sense of… what’s the word I’m looking for… something we haven’t had for awhile… oh yeh, stability.
I would wait for this, we wouldnt be a contender this year if we traded for Howard.
But with keeping all the assets and making the right moves the Nets could instantly catapult themselves into the elite
To be honest...
Diwght and DWill plus ANYONE is a contender.
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
Wouldn't go THAT far
Will make PO but need one more star or bunch of starting caliber players to contend. IMO, we have one starter(borderline star if you would) in Lopez, two sixth men in MarShon and Hump, then few role players, then bunch of garbage.
no it's not
If we had dwight on this team, we’re a 500 team period. Look at knicks, 3 all stars, and garbage around em, and they are struggling. This team needs a overhaul, with or without howard. We’re gushing over Brooks, who else do we have. Add Howard, then add everyone’s stats. We’d still be in the bottom 1/3rd of the league.
Respectfully disagree
Take Dwight off of the Magic and they are a turrible team, arguably worse than we are. With him, they are likely going to make the playoffs. We might have more scrubs than the Magic, but our top player is much, much better than anything the Magic has besides Dwight. You can’t just look at the stats, because Dwight takes so much of the defensive focus (e.g., Ryan Anderson doesn’t go for anywhere near 30 yesterday without the Nix collapsing on Dwight).
55-11
The Magic players other then Dwight, are what they are BECAUSE of Dwight. You see how open they all are on the perimeter? I mean thats literally all they do, is sit there until the D collapses!
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
You know what makes me laugh
Why did Patrick Ewing tell Howard about how bad the fans are in NY and how they would turn on you? I unstand that orlando doesn’t want to lose Howard but I feel like Patrick is selling out. All those good years in NY and how the fans loved him and you say this? Also if the fans are so bad why was he so willing to take the Nets head coaching job?
Dre Day all day
by Dre Day41 on Jan 17, 2012 11:52 AM EST via mobile reply actions
because Ewing
didnt know how to deal with the media. He was always a bad interview and reports used to hate it.
Dwight and Ewing are two different things. Dwight loves the Media and loves the camera. Where Ewing was an introvert.
Ewing is just still pissed that he asked for a trade.
I understand
The fans in NY where but loyal to him and him to say that, wow. I don’t get it, Ewing can
Coach Lopez down in Orlando.
Dre Day all day
by Dre Day41 on Jan 17, 2012 12:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Excuse the errors, the fans in ny were nothing but loyal to Ewing.
Dre Day all day
by Dre Day41 on Jan 17, 2012 12:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The lack of respect for Lopez
Is astounding, Net fans truly dont appreciate how good the kid is. He had 1 bad year of rebounding and the media jumped on it and Nets fans followed. Rookie season he was 18 and 8 a nite.
Lopez Deron and Brooks is a damn good combo. There is no way we wouldnt be a .500 team by now.
The dream is Dwight coming as a FA. Resign Deron, extend Lopez.
Move 1of the picks or make a trade for a SF such as Batum.
Draft a good bench player with the remaining pick.
Pray Marshon stays this good and gets even better.
Win championship in 2014-15 season.
Do you think POR is going to let Batum go?
We should of drafted him but of course we had Thorn running things then.
SMH!!! I used to support Thorn but what an idiot.
SMH!!! BKing has made a lot of mistakes in PHI but since he has been here he has done VERY GOOD things. I hope he continues this. crossing SIC fingers.
with our likely draft position, why not just look to draft a SF like Barnes or Gilchrist?
Why go after Batum, with this draft class?
by SovietBrooklyn on Jan 17, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
time to build around marshon and brook!
im over trying to get superstars to come play for the nets
Damn D-Will...CP3 making you look like a joke right now...
by netsfanjerrylouis on Jan 17, 2012 12:52 PM EST reply actions
I agree, a bunch of contracts comes off next year year.
I would put MarShon at the point if we lose D-Will. Build around Lopez and Brooks and I would keep Okur because I like his outside shot.
Dre Day all day
by Dre Day41 on Jan 17, 2012 2:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i think he'll get a max contract
and he deserves it…brook lopez is a top 5 center imo… not to mention that he’s young and still developing…
Strike the Shepherd and the Sheep will Scatter
DWill WAKE UP!!!
Was Deron worth it? Start playing like you belong! No Olympics for you the way you have been playing AND acting.
Get your ACT together. I am starting to miss Devin Harris.
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