Williams Ranks Fifth in All-Star Vote
by Net Income on Jan 12, 2012 4:07 PM EST
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PrintDeron Williams is behind the league's reigning MVP, one of Miami's Big Three and two Boston Celtics in the first returns from All-Star balloting for guards in Eastern Conference.
Derrick Rose is first with 640,476, followed by Dwyane Wade, 637,912; Rajon Rondo, 253,969; Ray Allen, 174,934; and Williams with 89,128. Dwight Howard is currently the leading vote-getter overall with 754,737 votes. Kobe Bryant is second with 690,613 votes.
Kris Humphries and Anthony Morrow are not among the leaders.
- D-Will fifth among guards in All-Star voting - Mike Mazzeo - ESPN New York
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How long have you two been watching the NBA to know
that fans only vote for the starters?
Dwight or Bust
Nets lose 33+ games this season.
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One of the BEST game a duo ever had
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3v4GS9t8o8&feature=related
I've been watching the NBA my whole life (not quite 20 years)
but I don’t pay much attention to what goes into the voting for the all-star teams. I just like watching all the events
No
You either are voted top 2 (the top if you are C) and start, or voted in by coaching staffs I think to be a reserve.
he hasn't looked like an all star at all
he fell off this year horribly
by William_H_HOLLA on Jan 12, 2012 4:14 PM EST reply actions
he won't make the team
coaches won’t vote for him, he’s shooting 30% from the field and we’ll probably have the worst record in the league
Williams with 89,128
Wow. Deron has over eighty thousand NBA accounts?
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"I’m anxious to see if they make the same mistake twice." - Shaq talking about the Magic.
by Maxyboy on Jan 12, 2012 4:19 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Max, do you think Deron Williams is a top-10 player?
I was debating a few people about his production in another thread and I’m curious for your input.
I’m leaning towards no.
Prior to the season it was:
1) LeBron James
2) Dwight Howard
3) Dwyane Wade
4) Chris Paul
5) Dirk Nowitzki
6) Kevin Durant
7) Kobe Bryant
8) Derrick Rose
9) Deron Williams
10) LaMarcus Aldridge
Now, I’d move Rose up and probably drop Williams out. Not sure who I’d put in his place. Sample size is still too small to dramatically change the list.
who would you
drop williams out in favor of?
by MrDollarBills on Jan 12, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly...
It might be for Carmelo Anthony. Pains me to say it.
oh
I didn’t notice that he wasn’t on your list. Yeah, I take Melo over D-Will now too.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 12, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Kevin Love annoys me.
He makes me feel like a hypocrite.
I’m a numbers guy, I’ve been one since I was old enough to understand them. Kevin Love’s numbers suggest that he is not only a top-10 player, but a top-5 one. I just … there’s something about him. I don’t know. As I said, it makes me feel like a hypocrite. And it’s illogical because he’s the only player where I’ve somewhat dismissed his numbers.
I guess my only logical rebuttal would be that LMA is leading a winning team, Love isn’t. And I hate that argument.
Thanks, now I feel like moiso.
Love has been better defensively this season tho
And has helped the Wolves to some wins.
I'm white?
Well, half of me is.
Jason Williams was my favorite player growing up.
No, but in all seriousness, that’s probably the reason. I feel more comfortable now. Kevin Love is not a top-10 player because he’s white.
I agree
there’s something about Kevin Love that doesn’t fit well with me. I think he’s a stat padder, and anyone who calls proclaims himself to the best at his position while playing on a bad team raises red flags (not unlike a certain PG…)
by sheepareevil on Jan 12, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
for one he used to play out of shape
he has been steadily losing weight since he entered the league
2. he does not play solid defense
3. Kurt Rambis and Kevin Mchale are huge idiots when it comes to coaching/running a team
4. His teammates have been pretty much garbage except for Rubio
4a. Michael Beasley forces way too many dumb shots
5. No one wants to play in Minnesota
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 12, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
Aldridge wins games.
Love doesn’t. Aldridge is less flashy, but more substance, more along the lines of Tim Duncan than Al Jefferson, who puts up great numbers, but doesn’t get his team anywhere.
The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
/keep Batum/
He sure hasn't played like one.
There are probably at least 4 point guards alone having better seasons.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"I’m anxious to see if they make the same mistake twice." - Shaq talking about the Magic.
What?!
There are over 10 point guards having better seasons.
I said "At least."
To be honest I haven’t kept up with the stats of others as much this year. The season just doesn’t matter for the Nets whatsoever. It’s hard to keep interest.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"I’m anxious to see if they make the same mistake twice." - Shaq talking about the Magic.
Fair enough.
Deron Williams’ win-shares are negative.
lol
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"I’m anxious to see if they make the same mistake twice." - Shaq talking about the Magic.
I know.
Hence my virtually expressed laughter.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"I’m anxious to see if they make the same mistake twice." - Shaq talking about the Magic.
cracked 3 ribs from laughing
bleeding into my lungs now
(C3RFLBIMLN)
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by calling all toasters on Jan 12, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Here's my question for Net Income
He doesn’t agree with the Nets superteam strategy, but does he believe we’ll pull it off?
the Nets have no choice
unless they want to be selling tickets to their brand new arena for a dollar apiece
by MrDollarBills on Jan 12, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
You've become far more pessimistic as of late
It’s disappointing.
You’re heading down a dark path.
by Anthony Perez on Jan 12, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
Morrow and Hump were the Nets other two All-Star representatives
what does that tell you about the Nets? D-Will is the only player of starting caliber on the whole entire team! Obviously as a pass first PG with absolutely no talent surrounding him he’s not going to put up good numbers. Ya I’m not happy with his body language either but you know, he acknowledged it and said he needs to get better. He’s not going to all of a sudden exhibit great body language a few hours later. It’s going to take time but he will get better. Also for all of you saying he’s already quit on the Nets, he sprained his ankle and stayed in the game when he easily could of just said ow my ankle hurts too much I can’t play. Also 3 straight double-doubles sounds pretty good to me. I can understand this D-Will isn’t the D-Will we expected him to be but I don’t even think the reigning MVP D-Rose or the #1 PG in the league Chris Paul can put up numbers on this team like they have in the past.
by Nets2410 on Jan 12, 2012 4:23 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Actually
that is not what it tells us AT ALL
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That is saying that the Nets 3 best players currently are D Will Hump and Morrow
If Hump and Morrow are your 2nd and 3rd best players, then you have nobody of starting quality on your entire roster. Not even Swag (yet)
Not every starting player is on the All-Star team, you know
Thats why its the ALL-STAR team
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what I'm saying is
Deron Williams is the only player on the Nets who is good enough to start on any one of the 30 NBA teams.
Hump, Lopez and MarShon soon as well
Maybe James if he could catch
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Obvoiusly Lopez can but he's not playing right now
and I said MarShon will be able to soon, think he’s better suited as a 6th man on a legit team for his rookie year. and Im not totally sold on Hump. He’s good but at best he’s a fringe starter if you ask me.
He gives you heart and hustle
and does the dirty work on the boards. What more can you ask, aside from a decent jumper?
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don't get me wrong I really like what Hump brings (I have him on my fantasy team lol)
I just think he’s more of an ideal guy off of the bench, I don’t think he’s overall good enough to be a solid starter in the nba is all
Rose
would put up numbers on this team
anyway, season’s over.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 12, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
The Nets would be a playoff team with:
LeBron James, Dwight Howard or Dwyane Wade in Williams’ place.
A fringe playoff team with Derrick Rose, Kevin Durant or Chris Paul in his place.
(In my opinion.)
yeah ik
i was playin around. cmon ppl
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lol its ite
I forgive you… this time
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I'd switch Howard and Durant
If you are someone who can create your shot and score through double, triple teams coming at you, you can take them just to the next level. PGs and Cs need some pieces around. What will Howard do when they double team him? Pass to Shawne Williams?
wow
embarrassing
that guy doesn’t even belong in the NBA
he makes bobby simmons look good
by MrDollarBills on Jan 12, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
he's in the d-league right now
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 12, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
He's that behind?
It reminds me of our losses
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I dont think CP3 is that much better the Dwill
the problem is and I have mentioned this before:
THE IDEA OF TAKING THE BALL OUT OF THE PASSING PG’s HANDS IS STUPID.
THIS IS OPIE AND HARRIS ALL OVER AGAIN.
A PASSING PG should control the ball at all times. I DONT CARE if your offense sucks. PASSING PG SHOULD ALWAYS HAVE THE BALL IN HIS HANDS.
does it matter?
there’s no one to pass to
by MrDollarBills on Jan 12, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Dolla Stop
Morrow spot ups in the corners
ShaWill spot ups in the corners
Deshawn spot ups top of the key
Brooks coming off screens
Hump 15ft baseline
One thing is for sure. AVERY LIKE OPIE has not practiced PICK AND ROLLS with DWILL. Players have not figured out how to set PICKS.
by SIC One on Jan 12, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
bad coaching, bad players
bad everything
ShaWill spot ups in the corners
will result in a brick
by MrDollarBills on Jan 12, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
I understand now Dolla
It’s 2012 lets just give up on everything the world is going to end anyway.
Max out our Credit Cards
Get that Bentley even thought we cant make the first months payment
Buy that BIG house in Wehawken and not pay the mortgage.
2012 BABY
no
i mean, this season is kaput. Lopez going down pretty much destroyed this team
by MrDollarBills on Jan 12, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
have you been at practice?
I haven’t seen many pick and rolls but its hard to run a pick and roll when the shooters can’t knock down shots to keep the D from smothering the pick and roll. Hump really isn’t an outside threat so all you have to do if keep him from rolling to the paint
by DJ HeavyDuty on Jan 12, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
This Deron Williams bashing...
is getting ridiculous. Can’t take it seriously after awhile.
And coming from me… that’s a mouthful.
by M I K E on Jan 12, 2012 4:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
you were the
originator of this little party M I K E
by MrDollarBills on Jan 12, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
oh
you started kicking in Deron’s back first, like after the trade.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 12, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
oooh Mike
you’re sooooo busted
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by calling all toasters on Jan 12, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
That was mainly because I wanted to build through the draft...
I didn’t want to trade for Melo and Williams made me very nervous since we would have to resign him in a year and we know that was not a given.
I never liked the “superstar blueprint for success” idea but now that’s all water under the bridge. Deron’s on our team now and the most important guy on our team for obvious reasons. I don’t think it’s a good idea to bite the hand that feeds you.
All we need now is Deron to get booed at home games and on this influential website.
It’s very important to keep Deron happy right now and support him through these tough times. And if he ends up leaving us then we just have too start all over. But until then I will be Deron’s biggest fan…for obvious reasons.
by M I K E on Jan 12, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
(Us all) becoming Deron's fanboys will not help him play any better
I’m sure he wants to win badly, and is already trying his best to win (at least, he was the first 2 weeks… now he might be coasting).
We can kiss his arse like Avery day in and out. But ultimately, Deron will get sick of the losing and he’ll demand a trade of walk off in FA because of the losing.
Nets fans ultimately don’t really factor in his decision to stay/go.
DWill oop to D12
Otis Smith makes Travis Outlaw look like Avery Johnson
The way deron acts
Would you want to bring your best as a teamate? Like i said in the game thread yesterday deron is one of those dudes who plays good only with good players but when he has to play with players lesser than him, he doesnt give his all. Its like a mental check out because “these dudes stink”. Real leaders give theyre all no mattter who they play with and hold guys accountable to make them bettter. I havent seen deron do this at all this year. You think cp3 would do that? He seems to have more fire and will and most importantly leadership.
by 1stnamelastname on Jan 12, 2012 4:33 PM EST reply actions
I got one more thing to say lol
For everybody saying we are screwed if we don’t land Dwight, think of this. Kevin Love is a FA, albeit a RFA. Offer him a huge contract, try to drive up the price so Minny can’t retain him. Also, Wilson Chandler and Danillo are going to be free agents. Go after one of them to play SF. I’m not 100% sure but I think even before paying Nene the Nuggets were going to have a very tough time being able to afford both of them and now that Nene has signed a huge deal I think (but not 100% sure) the Nuggets can’t afford to keep both of them. Also, we will have a top 5 pick in the draft! Gerald Wallace is also a FA next year. And last but not least, we can definitely make a trade for Josh Smith. We are on his short list, he wants out of ATL, ATL wants a legit Center so they can move Horford to PF. Lopez for Smith.
There are plenty of roster moves other than getting Dwight (though he has been my favorite player since the day he was drafted so I really really really want him) that will make us a good team and entice D-Will to stay with the Brooklyn Nets.
if the Nets don't get Dwight
they’ll be contracted, according to my sources.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 12, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Avery will attend the all star game
Avery – “hey roooohndhough geeeeeeeeve daaaaaaaaaren the baaaaaaawl”
LMAO
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by calling all toasters on Jan 12, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Sometimes I wanna leave this board
because you all are so negative and bash any player who isn’t doing amazing. And some of the opinions on this board are just….
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by netsareboss on Jan 12, 2012 4:34 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
But I'm not leaving lol
i think of it more as some entertainment.
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Yet he was among...
…the 140% that voted for D-Will out of loyalty. And it’s way too much entertainment around here for anyone to leave. It kind of reminds me of World of Warcraft in it’s heyday.
by Brooklyn-Bound on Jan 12, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
w8 you mean voted Dwill as being not loyal
or voted for Dwill for being loyal? Your wording is messing with me
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This needs
a little Proky with a machine gun in the foreground
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by calling all toasters on Jan 12, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
how
are LeBron and Durant not in the top 5? That’s insane.
"Rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for Steve Jobs to win the lotto." - Chris Rock
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i missed the Eastern Conference part
the article doesn’t say it’s only guards but looking at who’s listed, I’m assuming you’re right.
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ya if you look at the bottom of the article where NI and ND put links to other articles
it says D-Will fifth among guards in all star voting but I can see how you missed that, no biggy.
ah now I see
yeah, i usually skip over those links
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Had the Nets not made the trade for D-Will would their package have been enough to Net Chris Paul this year based on what the Clippers gave up?
The Clippers will send guard Eric Gordon, center Chris Kaman, forward Al-Farouq Aminu and Minnesota’s unprotected 2012 first-round pick to the Hornets for Paul. The Clippers will also receive two future second-round picks.
The Nets will send Derrick Favors, Devin Harris, two first-round draft picks and cash considerations to Utah for the All-Star point guard.
I don’t think so, but Gordon & Kaman are going to be free agents and I would take Favors over Aminu easily.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"I’m anxious to see if they make the same mistake twice." - Shaq talking about the Magic.
I dont think cp3 wouldve agreed to come here.
by 1stnamelastname on Jan 12, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Did D-Will agree to come here?
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"I’m anxious to see if they make the same mistake twice." - Shaq talking about the Magic.
Cp3 was only going to be traded to a team he would sign an extension with.
Clippers have Blake Griffin. Who would he be here coming to play along side of?
by 1stnamelastname on Jan 12, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Yea but for a 1 year rental I don't think Neta do it
Deron coming and still having a extra year on the contract was very important in that decision IMO
That's essentially what D-Will would be if he walked though.
Didn’t he only play like 12 games with NJ last year?
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"I’m anxious to see if they make the same mistake twice." - Shaq talking about the Magic.
CP3 would have laughed
if he was asked to come here
by MrDollarBills on Jan 12, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
I hope in about 2 months
We will all be smiling laughing and looking back on this crazy time in nets basketball. Its getting kind of brutal in here.
by 1stnamelastname on Jan 12, 2012 4:40 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
DWill has been bumming it and I have been bashing him all day
But I’m still glad we traded for him. Sounds like some of you are regretting this… Is this the thought or just a heat of the moment thing?
i’d rather have d-will over that bum Devin Harris
by MrDollarBills on Jan 12, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Imagine if you will
You’re going down to the local park on a nice spring day, to shoot some hoops.
You’ve got your horace grant goggles, knee high socks, and air jordans ready to go
So, teams are divided up, and you are a captain.
You’re down to the last pick for your 5 man squad of doom, and there are two players left:
Shawne Williams
or….or
Bobby Simmons
choose wisely.
Lmaoo
i think im going with simmons on this one.
by 1stnamelastname on Jan 12, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Lmao smh
Horrible.
Real question tho. Do we have to pay for Simmons expensive lunch after the game? If so I’m taking Williams and tossing him a famous Bowl
Simmons made 11 million dollars picking his nose on the Nets bench in a suit
during the 12-70 season. He’s treating
oh wait, he plays in the d league now. He might be broke!!
by MrDollarBills on Jan 12, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Bobby put his millions to good use...
Wanna buy a used car???
"The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven"
i was too young to really remember who Bobby Simmons was
just remember RJ, JKidd, VC (ya i know he came a bit later), Kittles, kristic and that van horn guy from those teams so im not going to pick lol. but i will say this, last night when I was watching the nets game I looked up at my ceiling and screamed “Shawne Williams, why couldn’t you have picked the Knicks over us! Why is the one thing we had to beat the Knicks in the Shawne Williams sweepstakes?!”
too young? guess you missed that 12-70 season completely
by Henry Sanchez on Jan 12, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Hassell is a true pro and a guy who brought solid intangibles
the Capital all the way. I actually respect a guy like him.
Outlaw is a disgrace to the sport.
I wish I had one of those Men In Black lasers so that I could
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"I’m anxious to see if they make the same mistake twice." - Shaq talking about the Magic.
by Maxyboy on Jan 12, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Horford out 3-4 Months
Al Horford is out 3-4 months which is devastating for the Hawks. When Brook somes back, I would imagine the BK will explore 3 team deal sending Brook to the Hawks and Josh Smith to the Magic and Dwight Howard to the Nets. It would make sense for Atlanta (a) becuase Josh Smith wants out of there anyway and (b) the Hawks could slide Horford over to PF when he returns. Orlando gets an athletic All Star quality forward, and of course we would end up with Dwight. Certainly there would likely be other pieces involved (Swag, draft picks etc), but the key pieces (Lopez, Smith and Howard) would seem to make sense for all three teams
why?
it’s not career-ending
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by calling all toasters on Jan 12, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
why would we want him if its career-ending?
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because we are the Nets
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by calling all toasters on Jan 12, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
wow that is huge
one of the trades ideas i’ve brought up several times here is Smoove for brook for the reasons you listed above (he wants out and a legit c to move horford to pf). this definitely helps us though I think, seems to me like brook to atl and smoove to orl could be legit. also, stop mentioning brooks in trade talks. we have leverage (supposedly) so dont give him up so easily! havent heard his name mentioned anywhere but here in trade talks.
if we don't get Howard
and the Nets traded Lopez for Smoove. Who would man the C spot? PetroMVP!?
http://www.netsdaily.com/2011/5/13/2168930/in-mock-drafts-no-consensus-yet
by jasperjarrod on Jan 12, 2012 7:25 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
we sign Howard in FA! haha that would be the best
dont get me wrong I love brook but trading for Josh Smith, signing Dwight (and obviously re-signing Deron) along with a top 5 pick going into Brooklyn would be SWEET. Brook is a restricted FA, could we make a hugely insane offer and hope the hawks dont bite? anyway, realistically, if we trade lopez for smoove lopez would stay in ATL. lets say dwight goes somewhere else (LA is the only other place) long term. McGee from WAS is a restricted FA, Bynum is a FA (with 16 mil team option), Kaman is an unrestricted, Roy Hibbert is a restricted FA. There are options, albeit many are restricted FA’s. Totally understand your point though it would put us in a tough spot
These are the the categories in which D-Will ranks in the top 20 of the NBA this year via Basketball-Reference.
Field Goal Attempts (T-14th)
3-Point Field Goal Attempts (T-11th)
Free Throws (T-20th)
Assists (5th)
Turnovers (T-1st)
Assists Per Game (7th)
Assist Percentage (5th)
Usage Percentage (9th)
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"I’m anxious to see if they make the same mistake twice." - Shaq talking about the Magic.
wow 5th in assists?
Dayum why does he seem to be getting less than that? Must be from reading this board lol. Can’t wait till Lopez gets back. He’ll be up to #2 probably
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very much agreed
he’s got serious game. he’s just a major sourpuss- which i don’t fully dismiss. he’s got to become a better leader. but make no mistake, dude can ball
imagine something extremely witty here
Deron William
You guys are seriously starting to become overboard in your lynching of Deron Williams because he isn’t “performing” to your expectations. Honestly, as Nets fans having to deal with the Ratner selling of the team and the 12-70 season, i don’t think us Fans have real expectations anyway.
If Brook Lopez was playing I think Williams would easily be playing the numbers everyone wants, but on such a bad team with terrible teammates I don’t think he’s going to produce nearly what we want. And that’s not solely DWIll’s fault.
You guys are all over him for every little thing he does or doesn’t do. Stop being Knick fans. It’s getting ugly.
by Roccor420 on Jan 12, 2012 4:53 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
He played with Brook for 12 games last year and shot 34.9% from the floor.
This year, in 10 games without Brook, he is shooting 35.4%.
The problem is not his assists, it is his shooting.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"I’m anxious to see if they make the same mistake twice." - Shaq talking about the Magic.
I dont care for his shooting as much
motivating this team is what I want to see, or atleast attempts too. His assists make up for his lack of shooting
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Nothing short of 15 assists a game minimum can make up for sub 40% shooting IMO.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"I’m anxious to see if they make the same mistake twice." - Shaq talking about the Magic.
He'll be fine
once Lopez is back and Dwill shows more aggression than now(not saying he doesn’t, just that a little more) he’l be around 39% or so and I’ll be fine with that
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Keep in mind D-Will's career avg FG% is 46%...
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"I’m anxious to see if they make the same mistake twice." - Shaq talking about the Magic.
turning Net fans to Knick fans?
the blueprint for success is having a tough time here
by MrDollarBills on Jan 12, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting
If All-Star voting ended today, the West team would start Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Durant, Blake Griffin and Andrew Bynum.
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Adam Morrison got his team multiple championships barely trying, if that's not a great player...I don't know who is.
After like 6 games?
People must love the Lakers
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Who else should get the nod over Bynum
assuming you mean kobe is deserving.
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
I can't say
becuase I don’t know much about the West. Who are other possible C’s?
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no one
’Drew is by far and way the best center in the west
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
nobody, Drew is the only true center worthy
other “notable” west centers:
Gortat
Kaman
Deandre
Marc Gasol
Cousins
Al Jeff
they will just slide a PF to center like they do all the time:
Aldridge
Pau Gasol
Dirk
Love
(these will definitely have to be voted in)
Nene
Millsap
Duncan
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 12, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
Gasols been doing good hasn't he?
Love is doing well also
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Why?
We sucked for 3 quarters last night on our own.
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MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"I’m anxious to see if they make the same mistake twice." - Shaq talking about the Magic.
it's only because
he has been stinking the joint out. Really, if he palyed half as well as Darren Collison we’d cut him some slack.
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by calling all toasters on Jan 12, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
It's not ALL DWill's fault being leader or not.
I mean there’s so much blame to go around but we naturally blame DWill? That is such a Jersey attitude problem. Realize that we have so many other people that are to blame, ie.
Morrow – I’m loving him right now but 4 games ago he was an embarrassment. And in terms of his dribbling skills he still is. he is trapped at least a few times a game and loses the ball either driving to the basket to get open or pass off. Note if he does become better at slashing/driving and/or scoring down the post because of our need to play him there that would only help him but still, he is a one dimensional shooter for the most part.
Shawne Williams – Please send him back to the knicks. He’s hit about the same percentage I would have as a 6’0 Asian @ 200 lbs would playing for the Nets with no professional experience. Dude is terrible.
Shelden Williams – If he misses another sweet pass by DWill again down low in the past after drawing defenders I’m going to go ape moiso. He may have had a good dunk or two, but thats after fumbling 6 or 7 from Dwill.
Damion James – Have you noticed we score (even though we lose) better and put up higher numbers end game with him out of the entire rotation? He should be called a black hole because that’s what he is on offense.
Johan Petro -To give him credit he HAS improved this season. I mean i’ve seen him do things this season he never did before but he’s still bad at this point. I’ll refrain from saying “Turrible” for now but he has to understand defense does not equal fouling the opposing team lightly so they make the bucket and have an ANd 1 oppurtunity.
Realize that all players mentioned above short of Ammo are our Bigs. In the Denver game last night our starters came out firing and we were doing good until our second team came in and offensive black hole it was. And our DEFENSE. My god. My 5 month old nephew could’ve played better defense.
Who have we actually been able to say has been playing well?
Deron Williams – PPG 16.9 RPG 3.50 APG 8.2 EFF + 14.70. And this is playing on a terrible team (let’s face it, our current roster will not get anything done in terms of our goals this year). His shooting % could be better and his turnover rate is terrible but then again i see that more because of our bigs and teammates than him.
Marshon Brooks – nothing else much to say. Only spotlight on this team. He is smooth like molasses and not very quick but has mad skills to score. He’s made some rookie mistakes defintely but hopefully he will only improve. Defense needs have higher intensity.
Sundiata Gaines – He isn’t playing terribly which is why he’s on this list. He is exactly what we need during the times we need it. We as a team can’t seem to close it out but dribble penetration, up tempo and defense is why he’s here. He’s done all those things.
Kris Humprhies – I’m honestly wishing he would pull in more double doubles this season but I can see why this is more difficult without brook lopez playing. Defensive teams can close around him and we all know his offense is very limited to a jumpshot and a dunk. Everything else he’s scored is just lucky IMO.
Mehmet Okur – after the rust of the first few games I’m loving him (besides the back spasm bs). Dude won’t give us any defense but he will absolutely shoot lights out for us on the perimeter, stretch the floor and if brook lopez was playing he would be a great backup. I would love to keep him.
DeShawn Stevenson – again, he’s done nothing but come on this team, show/play defense and make big 3 point shots. Can’t knock what he’s doing, if he continues to get more in shape and lose some weight I would also like to keep him as a starting/backup depending on who else we bring in.
by Roccor420 on Jan 12, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Andrew Bynum will be an AllStar this year.
Helps that there’s no Yao anymore but he HAS been the best center in the West. No contest and well deserved so far,
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
can't argue
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Well, to be fair, Love is averaging 21.7 and 13.5
He has played more minutes at Center than Forward.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"I’m anxious to see if they make the same mistake twice." - Shaq talking about the Magic.
but I would vote for Bynum
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"I’m anxious to see if they make the same mistake twice." - Shaq talking about the Magic.
he's considered to be a PF though
that’s like comparing Dwill to Shooting guards
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Love will be the 4th/5th big
behind Bynum, Blake, Aldridge, and Dirk
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 12, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
LaMarcus Aldridge
is the most underrated player in league.
no competition.
this boy can do everything.
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Awful!
DWill is playing some of the worst ball of his career. But some things are just not his fault.
He creates open looks for his teammates, like THE HUMPH. But THE HUMPH doesn’t finish, so DWILL gets no assists. He has no one to play pick and roll with. Sheldon is a clod and Shawne wants to shoot 25 foot set shots from the corners. AND we are playing 4 on 5 at the offensive end, so DWILL has to chuck long range shots as the clock winds down. But still, he is missing shots that he used to make. If I was on the coaching staff (BTW…why aren’t I on the coaching staff…) If I were on the coaching staff, I would design some two man games for Dwill and MarShon, or Dwill and Morrow. They are the only three players we have who have a real offensive game. The rest of the team is just offensive…..
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by PaulErstein on Jan 12, 2012 5:09 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
what you guys think of this dwight article
it’s on the lakers forum…
don’t troll though
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LOL
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
I would agree with the fact that i'd rather have bynum AND Gasol instead of just Howard.
Kobe+DH12 + scrubs won’t get close to a championship in the next 2-3 year(which is how much time kobe has left)
but Kobe+Bynum+Gasol+role players have a BETTER chance IMHO.
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
i agree with that too
and that’s what the Lakers are thinking as well but at some point they need to look into their future and who would you have 3 years from now howard or drew?
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
i agree with the sentiment of this article
the lakers can contend for a title right now if they upgrade point guard or get another shooter/scorer. ryan anderson, j-richardson, reddick, even jameer nelson would be good fits for them. however, i wouldn’t trade gasol for any of them.
but these types of players are what the lakers need. they’re close, they just need to tinker and build around kobe/gasol/bynum. how they can get one or two more pieces without breaking up the trio is another story.
imagine something extremely witty here
two all-star bigs
is always better than one superstar big with a d-league frontcourt
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 12, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
Which Nets players are suffering from DWill's 'poor leadership'?
Anybody have the answer to this?
Morrow? DWill kept passing to him even when he was on a slump, and now he does seem to have gotten his shot back.
Brooks? Some veterans take it as a personal affront when waved off by a rookie. DWill doesn’t mind.
Hump? DWill feeds him inside and outside.
Is is DWill’s fault James has been called stone hands? Is Petro getting the DWill snub? Is DWill’s bad attitude to blame for Shawne Williams’ missing shot? Shelden? Okur? Farmar? Gaines? Did I miss anybody?
So, which Nets players have suffered from DWill’s poor leadership and how, causing them to underperform and thus contribute to losses?
by stenpoint on Jan 12, 2012 5:14 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
nets are sucking
people are pissed
the rage needs a scapegoat
dwill is the scapegoat because all the pressure was on him to play great.
and he hasn’t
therefore, dwill gets bashed.
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
right
nothing is DWill’s fault. So… why do we need him?
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by calling all toasters on Jan 12, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
let's get to the specifics of this leadership issue
so who has shown the ill effects of DWill’s poor leadership?
Jeff Teague anyone?
DWill does not deserve to be on an all-star team. His play has been underwhelming this year. His shooting has been suspect. His leadership has been mediocre. His team stinks. Jeff Teague torched him 3 times. His heart is somewhere else or he is just a sour dude.
LOL
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by netsareboss on Jan 12, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Al Horford Is Out For Four Months!
He tore a peck muscle. Maybe we could move PETRO? This would give some playing time to JWIll. Sheldon can also play center. PETRO SUCKS. I’d send $50,000 and Petro to the Hawks, for a second rounder in 2015.
Paul from Sunny Delray Beach, Florida
if we want to give up a pick
they might take Petro along with it. But since he’s actually getting playing time here, we’re not moving him.
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by calling all toasters on Jan 12, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
DWILL
He’s just not used to losing every night. This is by far the worst team he has ever been on. If he is about winning, unless we get Dwight, he is gone, even though we can pay him loads more money than anyone else. I feel bad for the dude.
Paul from Sunny Delray Beach, Florida
I'm pretty sure
his crappy play is more cause than effect.
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by calling all toasters on Jan 12, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
There are only TWO spots available for guards
Dwill does not deserve one spot so far.
He MIGHT still make it with the coaches’ votes but that DEPENDS on if he can get us some wins SOON.
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
Rose and Wade have the two East guards starting spots locked up
As should be. One guy’s the MVP, the other is the the best guard on the best basketball team.
I forget which columnist but that one who said DWill could miss the All-Star game because he’s playing for the current Nets could turn out to be right. Lopez’s return could be too late to boost DWill’s numbers back up in time for the All-Star game.
Look...
CP3
Ba Ba Ba Billups
D Jordan
Blake
Butler
Dwill
Morrow
Petro
Hump
Rookie and Deshawn who stinks
And all you guys are are bashing Dwill?? U serious?
Put Dwill on the clippers and see what he’s capable of before you judge his play. Yes, its off, but with the guys he has, he managed to put up double digit assists.
CP3 has NBA players with him…Dwill, not so much.
and this isn’t a CP3 bashing…it’s just the reality.
If I can just hide, the sinner inside, and keep him denied.
How sweet life would be, if I could be free, from the sinner in me.
cant wait till we (hopefully) get dwight and a solid supporting cast around D-Will
the dude will be an absolute BEAST
someone hasn't been reading the posts
every single one of which cites CP3’s time in NEW ORLEANS. With THE HORNETS. You know, the team that started Bellinelli, Ariza, West, and Okafor. Which is only better than us at the C. Which nevertheless went 46-36 Whose PG shot 46% from the field, 39% from the 3, led the league in steals, had a better than 4:1 assist/TO ratio.
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by calling all toasters on Jan 12, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
I used to love this site
But the Deron hate is turning me off.
Dudes comparing him to Starbury. LOL. Just hilarious.
Starbury was obviously better XD
Dwight or Bust
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Starbury's $15 sneakers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deron
DWill oop to D12
Otis Smith makes Travis Outlaw look like Avery Johnson
#5 Isn't bad
I’m not sure if its his play or his team that’s making the fans not vote for him.
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People complaining about D-Will's attitude
But were talking a week ago about the potential of bringing Cousins in because our roster was so depleted.
Cousins would make D-Will look like a Boy Scout
The All-Star game is a vulgar farce.
DWill has been awful. He’s below replacement-level right now. That’s Stephen Graham-esque.
At what point are the Nets going to express concern over his shooting? DWill has been shooting like TWill with a broken wrist since he came here. It’s not a fluke. It’s no longer a small sample size. His TS% was just as bad last year when he had a healthy Lopez.
Something has to change or i’m not giving him a max contract. Unless there are extenuating circumstances that we don’t know about (possible), he needs to start being more efficient soon…. not tomorrow or next year.
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
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