From No Minutes to High Scorer
by Net Income on Jan 12, 2012 9:21 AM EST
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PrintIt wasn't that long ago that Jordan Farmar was the Nets' forgotten man. Avery Johnson declared him out of the rotation on New Years Eve, saying, "It’s just an unfortunate that everybody can’t play. But since this is a season of a lot of games in a short period of time everybody has to stay ready. It’s the way it is."
Well, that's not the way it is now. With the Nets in need of a quick-hitting shooter, Farmar is back. In fact, he was high scorer against the Nuggets, almost single-handedly bringing the Nets back with five three pointers and 26 points total. Over the last five, Farmar is averaging 12.4 points in 21 minutes, shooting 52.5% overall and 50.0% on three's. For the season, he's shooting a team-best 45.5% from deep.
- Jordan Farmar Player Profile - ESPN
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So of course the mantra is
Let’s trade him!!!
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by eLonepb on Jan 12, 2012 9:22 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
It had better be the mantra. Getting assets is more important than winning an extra game or two this season.
Also, Farmar is completely and utterly replaceable. If it means something real is coming in return (a pick, a young player with promise), you make the deal.
If it’s for a second round pick, though, I probably wouldn’t bother… even though I find his inability to finish at the rim (or shoot efficiently) infuriating at times.
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
So if Farmar is playing so well
Why wouldn’t we keep him for a Dwight trade?
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Because by the time the Dwight trade happens
It’s unlikely he’ll still be playing so well.
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
Exactly
WE WANT LOPEZ! clap clap clap clap clap
by BrooklynNets on Jan 12, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
he reaks of inconsistency and is the epitome of streaky shooter
how else do you explain him having 5 or 6 games like this and yet finish the season shooting like 38% from the field?
sell high while you can
plus if he looks off Marshon one more time I will buy tickets next to Shameer at the next home game and toss a fresh hot pizza at him
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 12, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
the way Dwill is acting ... is it fair to say now we know why Sloan quit as the coach?
by kupalski on Jan 12, 2012 9:27 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
you mean the guy who quit in mid-season with no warning?
that Jerry Sloan?
And again, Sloan had a relationship with the late owner who gave him EVERYTHING he wanted. Then, when the owner’s son took over, the cost-cutting began. Sloan has repeatedly said his argument with Williams was NOT the reason he left in MID-SEASON with no warning.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Give Sloan some credit -- he's too tough and was doing it too long to quit just because of one player
After Deron’s disagreements both with Sloan and Jazz ownership, the owners wanted to trade Deron for the nice Nets package and rebuild again. Sloan probably thought he was too old to go through another rebuilding recycle. That seems the more logical explanation.
Deron is no angel but I just can’t see how as tough a coach as Sloan was would quit because of one player.
But I can see why this would be a convenient explanation for some with the Nets losing and Deron slumping.
by stenpoint on Jan 12, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sloan quit on his team in mid-season.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Deron quit on his team during late rally.
DWill oop to D12
Otis Smith makes Travis Outlaw look like Avery Johnson
by 3ptChucker on Jan 12, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
all of that may be true
but Deron’s attitude could be the reason for all those heated arguments Sloan got into with him
by Henry Sanchez on Jan 12, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Jerry Sloan the quitter
he is the only coach in NBA history to record 1,000 wins with one club
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Sloan
"Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa." -- Casey Stengel
by calling all toasters on Jan 12, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
You know what I find funny
So many people sulking and whining about Deron sulking and whining. We are definitely some fanatical fans!!
by dbnet on Jan 12, 2012 9:32 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
fanatical is not the word that comes immediately to mind.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Jan 12, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Most nets fans here don’t have insider info.. we base our reactions on watching games and reading netsdaily.. Dwill is a superstar but the way he’s playing and reactions aren’t great…
by kupalski on Jan 12, 2012 9:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
reactions is the right word
Someone does something good, we love them. Has a bad one, we hate them. Someone wrote that they would like to see Farmer start over Deron after his last game. Yeah, let’s do that…
by dbnet on Jan 12, 2012 9:51 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
start farmar
“He Doesn’t Whine” thats my new motto
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Delusional?
or will that get me a warning again?
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the team stinks
what do you expect it to be, fricking Woodstock up in here?
you guys are HILARIOUS with this nonsense.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 12, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Nets aren't my life
apparently they are for some people. I dont get it. I really dont know what people expected.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
i am a nets fanatic
and i do get frustrated and mad, but i understand what’s happening, its not like BK is giving up and saying “This is our Brooklyn Team” if he said that i would just stop and become a fan of another team, but he has a futuristic vision and im down for the ride
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um
a watchable product, at the very least?
Nets aren’t my life either, or anyone else’s, but it is utterly idiotic to sit here and openly wonder why fans of a BAD BASKETBALL team are venting frustration about them.
I really don’t know what YOU expected.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 12, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
we expected nothing
everyone and their mama knew we would suck this year…take a chill pill guys..Brooklyn will taste that much sweeter
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I expected to be bad
but this thing that some people are carrying on with on here, looking down on fans being upset is a load of garbage
I suppose that’s how it is, when an NBA team has tickets being sold for a penny in 2012, this is the kind of crap that comes along with it.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 12, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
We expect something for our money and time at least....
….both are being put into waste as we speak with this garbage of a team and a vague “vision” that may or may not happen.
So because people or being passionate "the Nets are our lives"
But you can passionately defend Outlaw and it’s ok. :-/
or Yi
while spewing venom excessively at CDR because of twitter
by MrDollarBills on Jan 12, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Lol smh he does this all the time it's nothing new
When we had TWill he hated his guts and bashed his on court and off court doings. But Deron acts like a fool and because he is our savior we have to stay shut
he seemed to be on the money will t-will though
by dbnet on Jan 12, 2012 10:12 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
How could he not? TWill wore it on his sleeves
Deron is wearing it on his sleeves ( sulking during games) but we can’t point out he isnt handling himself well this season with out being called annoying.
No one is even saying we don’t want him here. Hell, I hope he ends his career in a Net Jersey it would probably mean wins. But that doesn’t mean we can’t suggest he needs to change his attitude ON the court and stop acting like a baby
Meanwhile...
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Jan 12, 2012 9:43 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
four stories on gossip weekly cover
one pertains to a Nets player, one to a Nets owner.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Russell Brand...
…has a share of the Nets? Also, if Kim is the new word for “boards”, the man is correct.
by Brooklyn-Bound on Jan 12, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
you do realize that every child has two parents
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Not Necessarily lol
Dwight or Bust
Nets lose 33+ games this season.
Follow @Meer2Fly16
One of the BEST game a duo ever had
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3v4GS9t8o8&feature=related
by Shameer1016 on Jan 12, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
and at the very bottom right...
they have a story on the Nets season so far.
by M I K E on Jan 12, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
the bag is
for your head!
"A little boy went out to play. When he opened his door, he saw the world. As he passed through the doorway, he caused a reflection. Evil was born. Evil was born, and followed the boy."
nicely done
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by netsareboss on Jan 12, 2012 12:09 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
let's start farmar
he doesn’t whine and im sure he can do that everynight, he might not pass the ball at all..but he doesn’t whine!
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But but but remember that game when Farmar scowled when Brooks didn't pass the ball back to him
He also seems capable of bad body or facial language like Deron. Not nice.
Seriously though, it’s great Farmar’s doing well now as it increases his trade value.
i like farmar
he is just a semi-ballhog…BUT HE DOESN’T WHINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! don’t you know? if a player doesn’t whine, he is good enough to start for the Nets!
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he didnt pass the ball to brooks once yesterday
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jan 12, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
yeah Farmar
does freeze out the rookie. Not sure why.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 12, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
That's because in Farmar's mind
Marshon is Kobe!
http://www.netsdaily.com/2011/5/13/2168930/in-mock-drafts-no-consensus-yet
by jasperjarrod on Jan 12, 2012 10:12 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
serious problem
Hard to win w/ JF freezing Martian out. Brooks needs to play play play. He has to commit 100 rookie mistakes, so the faster the better with that, get it over with. I don’t see his ceiling yet. Good shot at being among NBA best on OFFENSE AND DEFENSE.
PASS HIM THE BALL!
I understand both sides here, that of deron and that of us fans.
Firstly dwill has no help whatsoever. Watching every minute of these games it’s plain to see, his teammates have no clue where to be and what to do.
There is way too much standing around.
We have zero post up game to speak of.
Guys are missing wide open shots when it’s kicked to them.
Marshon while he is a bright spot doesnt move without the ball at all.
The defensive rotation is possibly THE WORST ive ever seen.
There is zero pick and roll game to speak of.
HOWEVER
Dwill is not giving it 100%. I love the PG position, my favorite players of all time were all point guards, magic, stockton, kidd…..when we got deron i was ecstatic, this guy would make EVERYONE better….i had seen enough of him in utah to know he was in fact an elite pg, and probably in my eyes the best “pure point guard” in the entire league. What ive seen though is that he hasnt brought the best out of his teammates a la jason kidd. Is it all his fault, absolutely not….but the body language says alot…..that 8 second stretch where he has the towel over his face on the bench didnt sit well with me.
What can we conclude out of all this……there is no movement without the ball, COACHING, there is no pick and roll or pick and pop game, COACHING….okur/dwill made a living off of this just 2 years ago, heck even devin harris to hump on alleyoops off pick and rolls was pretty consistent…..no defensive rotation, cant blame on coaching, just our bigs are absolutely clueless as well as slow as molasses…….no post game, i chalk that up partially to COACHING…why cant we put marshon on the block a little bit when he’s going against guards, he has a distinct height and length advantage and has shown an array of pump fakes and up and unders with which he can draw fouls.
Bottom line, ive never been the most confident when it comes to the big picture like so many on this board, but my confidence is getting lower and lower…..we can say all we want that dwill is on board and he understands what we’re doing since he helped build it, but the actual losing itself can cause many problems…..PERCEPTION=REALITY…..how many years did the clippers carry the cursed label…..who’s to say deron and dwight wont feel the same way after finishing up say 14-52…..it’s becoming harder and harder to watch these games and not want to break something….i didnt even feel like this through the 12 win season, maybe it’s because there is so much more at stake here, and maybe it’s because i knew that there was so much capspace to make moves in the shortened offseason and we didnt, and maybe its because if we fail at getting dwight we are left with nothing in a year where all the good FA’s are restricted…..We as a team are walking a very very very slippery slope, and its quite possible that we head into brooklyn with nothing…..and we can say all we want that we still have brooks, brook, a top draft pick, but if dwill leaves, and we get left at the altar by dwight that will have a profound effect on this franchise for many years to come, we will have the stigma of the team that couldnt keep their star player happy and that other stars wouldnt come to play for!! First the Lebron summer where noone signed, then the melodrama where he wouldnt come here, then if we dont get dwight, and dwill walks away from us……….you do the math
Brook, oh brook, where for art though Brook
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jan 12, 2012 9:50 AM EST reply actions
you are speculating
and perception isn’t reality.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
not in our eyes, but around the basketball world it is reality to all fans and many gms and players.....
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jan 12, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
not my problem
i try to deal in logic.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
never said it was your problem.....and it's great dealing in logic
but we’re discussing people shunning this organization, and the possibility of being shunned again, and the stigma which can be attached to us!
I sincerely hope i am wrong and it doesnt happen, but if it does, it will be nearly impossible to get up on our feet, dust ourselves off and move on
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jan 12, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
It's all about Brooklyn
that should be obvious. This is a lost season. The Nets as an organization is all about Brooklyn, all about getting a superteam on the floor on October 31, 2012. You can agree or disagree with the strategy (I disagree with it), but that IS the strategy, from Prokhorov on down.
They have decided to sacrifice this season, just as they did last season.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Jan 12, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If this strategy fails
do you not agree that it will leave a stench attached to the nets organization that will be hard to wash off???
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jan 12, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
the nets will be ruined for another 30 years
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if this plan fails, if it succeeds, get ready for 15 years of awesome basketball
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Yup.
Brooklyn is the key. As bad as things look now, we still have tradeable assets, cap space galore next summer, and a shiney new arena in Brooklyn. Even if we don’t land Dwight, we can still get some other star…or at least some legit NBA players. Plus, Brook is coming back.
Deron may not like what he sees, but with Lopez he will have better spacing and a low post scorer…that will be a nice change for him. Brook, Hump, Okur and a sprinkle of Shelden looks like a decent big man rotation, something we currently lack. Plus Deron has the pulse of the front office, knows the plans, and can make more $$$ here anyway. We still have a huge advantage in keeping him.
The team next season, Dwight or no, will be much better than what we have now. We just have to hold out until then.
by netsfanbq on Jan 12, 2012 10:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
All reality is , is perception
Sorry , just saying.
by Zartan on Jan 12, 2012 2:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
best comment in history of the site
Watch out for Zartan. Guy’s deep.
Just about the towel
Excessively wiping one’s face with a towel will make one neither a better player or a worse one.
Were the other Nets players watching TV when the camera focused on him using the darned towel? Hopefully not.
Can we get an official count on how many seconds it took him to use that towel — was it 15 secs or 2 secs or something in between. Fanatical heads want to know. Let’s also agree on how many secs is too long to be sending bad facial language and how many secs is just, well, wiping your face.
and we also need to know
every word he said to the refs and at what speed he ran down the court
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Guys were standing around on offense last year (and year before) when Lopez was healthy
It happened during Frank’s last year, and carried on during Avery’s tenure. It’s a COACHING problem.
DWill oop to D12
Otis Smith makes Travis Outlaw look like Avery Johnson
blaming the coaches for lack of hustle is ridiculous
the players are the ones playing. they’re nba players. they should be hustling all the time. who knows if the coaches are getting into them or not, but the bottom line is the players are the ones making the decision whether or not to hustle. the coaches can’t run for them
You are aware the Nets have nearly completely overhauled their roster the past 3 years. Only Lopez remains (I'm not hating on Lopez). Yet, the personnel problems remain the same.
DWill oop to D12
Otis Smith makes Travis Outlaw look like Avery Johnson
Bottom line, ive never been the most confident when it comes to the big picture like so many on this board, but my confidence is getting lower and lower
weirdly enough, my confidence is actually getting higher and higher as March approaches
We'll Be Fine.
by JerseysFinest. on Jan 12, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
how? the worse the team plays the better it is???
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jan 12, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
like NI said
the season is already sacrificed. They know times are tough now, but it will all be worth it at the end of all of this. The fact of the matter is one way or another, Dwight Howard wants to end up on the Nets. Big deal, the Nets are losing games now when we already knew they weren’t making the playoffs, and surely not getting past the first round. If losing games means Dwight Howard ends up on the Nets at some point, I’m more than down for that.
We'll Be Fine.
by JerseysFinest. on Jan 12, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
sign me up for that.....just cant help but feeling its not that cut and dry
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jan 12, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Nets need another big man…Waive Horner and get someone that can help at C.
Ike Diogu?
"Beware the Ides of March."
yeah, Ike is a great pickup
and you dont have to waive Horner. You just send him down to Springfield.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
for a guy no one ever heard of.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
rookie from San Diego State
but Ike needs to be in a nets uniform ASAP. I’m sorry, I like Petro the civilian, but he is the worst at his job and does not deserve to see the court the rest of the season
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 12, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
horner doesn't play though
i wish he did
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Somebody knows Russian? Translate literally. Through the translator it is impossible to inform the thought
Вы ведете себя как последние нытики. Дерону нужна ваша поддержка, а вместо этого вы поливаете его грязью. Поставь на его место любого другого разыгрывающего (Пол, Рондо, Уэстбрук, Харрис) и не чего бы не поменялось. Вы посмотрите на наш состав, из Больших парней у нас только Хамфрис (Который сильно ограничен в атаке) все остальные это игроки глубокого запаса. Маленького форварда играл Морроу который также кроме трех очковых больше не чего не может. У этого состава нет возможности играть в защите. Брукс, Морроу, Петро на площадке о какой защите может идти речь? У нас явно не хватает игроков старта. Сколько раз в этом сезоне вы видели Alley-oop в нашем исполнении? Сколько видели Pick-n-roll, а для хорошего разыгрывающего без этого не куда, Дерону не кого заигрывать? Мы играем в Европейский баскетбол. Я очень сильно жду возвращения Лопеса.
I don't speak English
? ты говоришь по Русски? Если да то переведи дословно, пожалуйста.
I don't speak English
by RussianNets on Jan 12, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Nice thought, Russian..
You behave like the past whiners. Deron needs your support, but instead you are watering it with dirt. Put in its place any other point guard (Paul, Rondo, Westbrook, Harris), and which would not have changed. You look at our part of the big guys, we just Humphreys (Which is very limited in the attack), all other players is a deep reserve. Small forward who also played Morrow but three glasses is no longer what can not. This composition is not possible to play defense. Brooks, Morrow, Petro at the site of what protection is all about? We obviously do not have the players start. How many times have you seen this season, Alley-oop in our performance? How many saw the Pick-n-roll, and for a good point guard without it no where, no one Deron flirt? We play in European basketball. I very much look forward to return Lopez.
We gave up so much for D-Will?
For those complaining about how much the Nets gave up for Williams, citing the Jazz record, i submit the following from last night’s boxscore:
Devin Harris: 3 points on 1-for-7 shooting, 2 rebounds and 5 assists. 31 minutes
Derrick Favors: 4 points and 5 rebounds in 12 minutes.
Enes Kanter: 3 points and 4 rebounds in 10 minutes.
For the season, Harris is averaging 8.7 and 4.5, shooting 34.7% overall.
And Utah may not get the Warrior pick this year. If it is in the top 7, Golden State keeps it.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Jan 12, 2012 9:55 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
there you go
for all of the devin harris >>>> deron fans……3 points…..wow
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premature, but if Utahs last nights
game is the only measuring tool then no. We didn’t overpay. Who knows Kanter and Favors could be the future of the NBA. Its possible. I think it was a fair trade for both teams. Helped both clubs out equally, when was the last time a trade was so even for both teams? Well, maybe even the Knicks/Nugs? I think people over exaggerate how we gave too much because we wanted to get a superstar for free.
Billy King would (most likely) not have drafted Kanter.
DWill oop to D12
Otis Smith makes Travis Outlaw look like Avery Johnson
its not about making a direct comparison of what BK would have done
its what we gave up and what Utah took advantage off. I mean sure, what if… but then you can say the Nets gave up any player drafted after Derrick Williams… its endless. I guess if we didn’t trade for Deron you could say that we would have ended up with a point guard. Knight? Walker? And I LOVED Kemba in college, but as of now, and as far as I can tell, I would still rather have Marshon—even at 25 (27).
you should go read SLC Dunk
the Jazz fans are screaming about Corbin favoring (NPI) the veteran bigs to the detriment of the team. And the veteran bigs are Millsap and Al Jefferson.
"Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa." -- Casey Stengel
by calling all toasters on Jan 12, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
I was waiting for Farmar to wake up
I like the guy, he obviously showed he could play last season.
he is capable of putting up big numbers
he is not perfect, but he has some skills and he is 25 years old.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Of course he's not perfect, he's a backup PG
But he can be a great spark off the bench, which this team clearly needs at this point. I’d like to see him get more minutes than Gaines going forward.
its funny
Farmar can shoot. He is one of the fastest in the open court. He is really athletic. But I have come to notice that he is one of the worst ball handlers for a guy his size/position in the league. He can bring the ball up the court, sure ( and under pressure) but he can only make drives off of picks.
AND, he is a below average passer for his position
He is like a smaller JJ Redick, but with a little better athleticism and a little worse of a long range shot.
so tomorrow's game is against....?
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Steve Nash
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
so he is going to drop?
30? with 20 assists? and 14 steals? sounds about right
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forgot
12 boards and 9 blocks
by MetsNetsGiants on Jan 12, 2012 11:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
ah of course
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NBA players should not be this bad at defense
That includes DWill and everybody else. It’s absolutely atrocious. Something needs to change.
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oh stop it
everything is fine, this is expected, we should not complain.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 12, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
just about right
you go up against the team leading hte NBA in fast break points and points in the paint what do you expect?
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
maybe some effort?
but god forbid fans of this team demand or expect that at the very least
again, Nets tickets are going for a penny on stub hub. That sounds about right.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 12, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
if they weren't showing effort
they wouldnt keep coming back in almost every game they are down.
you are confusing effort with skill.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
it's hard to tell what I'm watching out there
it seems like you have a keen eye for sifting through excrement
by MrDollarBills on Jan 12, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and up to last week, they were horrible on offense
now they’re not.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Now they are not?
I think they have improved but they are bad on offense. A 100 point game against a run and gun team doesn’t make u good offensively
by nwkiddnj on Jan 12, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
they are not ALL showing effort.
And the coach needs to address this. When Farmar ran down the court to play defense on a 2-on-1 fast break, Deron gave up. Sure Deron is unhappy. We have all played on teams (bball, baseball, football, etc etc) where our teams suck. But individual effort should never be compromised. If you are too tired to run down court you are out of shape. Its a bad message to do anything otherwise. Bad effort by Deron in that (and other) moments, and spineless coaching to not make that a priority. Its one thing submitting to Tim Duncan or Garnett as a coach. They are going to bring it. Its another thing to submit to the Iversons and Jerry Stackhouses. Not saying Deron is that, but its about addressing proper attitudes. There is a fine line to walk in giving the keys of the franchise over to a player. Hopefully Deron realizes he needs to bring the effort regardless of wins. Winning isnt everything.
That said, I love Deron as a player and he seems like a good guy
He does some things on the court that are awesome. But he doesn’t need to make this such an uphill battle. He should embrace his team and try to connect with these guys and teach them a few things—lead by example.
Not saying he isn’t do this… just hope he is.
by Nets! on Jan 12, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They've been playing with a ton of effort
Just no talent.
WE WANT LOPEZ! clap clap clap clap clap
by BrooklynNets on Jan 12, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
jeez you guys are angry!
Watch some Celtics-Mavs instead if you’re sick of watching the Nets lose. That’s what I do once in a while :)
I am not looking to turn my back on the team
Never once said “I can’t watch this” or anything. I watch every game i can through the last second. But, as a fan, I want them to do better.
I am just disappointed in the defensive effort. I think everyone should be.
Brook-Brooks-Brooklyn
LET'S DO THIS!
not the point
this season has been sacrificed.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Knowing you won't win the championship
Does not mean giving up.
Brook-Brooks-Brooklyn
LET'S DO THIS!
I dont see anyone giving up
you do. I don’t. Again, if they were giving up, they wouldnt have come back how many times?
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Your wording made it seem like you were saying "it's sacrificed, forget winning"
And it seemed like they gave up on D. Yeah they went on an Offensive run. And if the team did more to prevent Denver from doing the same, they could have made something of it.
A lot of slop and mistakes on D made for easy points for the Nuggets.
Brook-Brooks-Brooklyn
LET'S DO THIS!
yes, that is exactly what i am saying.
And I am not speculating. The ownership and front office understand the risk they have taken with Dwight or Nothing. Losing Lopez made it a done deal.
The players on the court are professionals. They are showing effort. Lets not forget Denver is the absolute worst kind of an opponent for the Nets to defend. Leading the league in fast break points at nearly 25 per game! Leading the league in points in the paint. Nets are not that athletic…at all.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
So NI do you think that DWill
has agreed that this season was going to be lost and everything is guided towards Brooklyn?? Do you truly feel that he was on board on this??
by pip2332Nets on Jan 12, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
DWill/Morrow/MarShon/Hump/Petro Who from them is capable to play well to protection? Hump and DWill. It not seems to you that it a little?
I don't speak English
by RussianNets on Jan 12, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
The game on Monday the defense was terrible
Last night the Nuggets were just unstoppable, period.
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by BrooklynNets on Jan 12, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
BS
The Nuggets did nothing but out hustle us. Our transition defense was terrible, cutters were beating guys to the rim. It’s not like they were hitting a bunch of crazy shots. Most of their shots were uncontested.
in montvale nj too
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jan 12, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Not that I love D-Will's demeanor as of right now
and I do expect professional players to be, well, professional about how they carry themselves. But they will be trying for the sake of trying. Not that I condone “giving up on a team” if that is indeed what D-Will’s doing, I’m just saying it’s understandable.
Our team right now is like the Celtics right before Big 3. It’s painful to watch, and there are even incentives to suck beyond your capability(higher lottery chance). It won’t be pretty but big things will happen via trade, draft, and/or FA. Let’s just watch the young players develop in the meantime and hope they do not soak in the losing culture.
I also draw parallels between Boston and Nets
I don't speak English
by RussianNets on Jan 12, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
MMMMMM HHHMMMMMM
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jan 12, 2012 10:29 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
whats the score there?
22-87?!?!?!?!?!?? i would facepalm too hahaha jk jk
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72 - 87 DEN
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 12, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
I know how he feels
I covered my eyes a few times watching that game.
by dbnet on Jan 12, 2012 10:32 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
but he is supposed to a leader
HE SHOULD BE SMILING AND LAUGHING WHILE WE GET MANHANDLED!!!!!!
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by Keysta101 on Jan 12, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
we're supposed to be happy and cheerful
when we’re getting manhandled?
by MrDollarBills on Jan 12, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
I was really hoping that was sarcasm!
by dbnet on Jan 12, 2012 10:49 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
its sarcasm
everyone wants him to be so happy and cheerful, but he is mad and upset..team sucks
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I think he was laughing here
He wasnt crying.
He was probably like – I CANT BELIEVE HOW MUCH I SUCK THIS YEAR!!!!!
he was upset the team sucks he had 16 pts 14 ast career stats 17-9
hes not jordan what do you guys want from him chill out
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
more like NetsFaily
Brook-Brooks-Brooklyn
LET'S DO THIS!
by OneCGuy on Jan 12, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Since Deron is talking to Dwight . . .
can he tell Dwight to wait already till the summer? Proky will give him the additional $24m in unmarked gold bars!
by Mookie Blaylock on Jan 12, 2012 10:31 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Looked at box scores of last nights game: PETRO....
You’re a Big Man on this team played over 10mins a managed to get ZERO rebounds. Meanwhile, Gaines had just as much mins as Petro did and was able to get a rebound. Point of the story the shortest guy on this team had more rebounds than Petro!! If he can’t get boards then what was he brought here to do for this team?
Really starting to think his mins/game should be going to either Horner or JWill even more now? Give’em a shot can’t hurt with what has been on display so far…
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 12, 2012 10:38 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
4 nets 1 nugget
who gets the rebound
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is this a multiple choice or true & false?? Ummmmmmm....
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm………………………………………is the answer Afflalo?
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 12, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
False
It was a Nuggets dunk or layup, there was no rebound.
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also incorrect
it was an and 1
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 12, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
but but but but he has a sweet 15 ft jumper
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100% Denver's fault
If they had have missed more Petro could have got more rebounds…
by dbnet on Jan 12, 2012 10:43 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
true, just look at his website!
“WHEN YOU DESCRIBE the prototypical NBA center, he is not complete without superlative size, strength and athleticism. He’ll fight for the tough rebounds in the trenches, but is just as quick to burn you with a shot from 15 feet.
Johan Petro possesses all of these skills and more, and bears all the promise of fulfilling his vast potential.”
by Mookie Blaylock on Jan 12, 2012 10:42 AM EST reply actions
Haa pretty up there with the bigest bull moiso I have ever read on the internet
I remembered when I first read it on his site going, hummm I hope I get to see half of that stuff on the court by him.
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 12, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Okay I'll admit
kid’s got talent. I suppose it wouldn’t be a bad idea to keep him around. Petro still has to leave the team though.
We'll Be Fine.
by JerseysFinest. on Jan 12, 2012 10:47 AM EST reply actions
Cleaned up this thread quite a bit.
If Net Income breaks the rules, please flag the comment and I’ll get to it.
Thanks.
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Ban that man
Dwight or Bust
Nets lose 33+ games this season.
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by Shameer1016 on Jan 12, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
I really respect this
I’m actually goin to try to be more respectful just because of this comment. I respect that ND
i think he needs to take the day off, lol
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 12, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Look what the Nets have done to us
Breaking apart our happy community lol
by 1stnamelastname on Jan 12, 2012 10:49 AM EST reply actions
Let me see...
1. 2nd best player (who isn’t even an all-star) on the team is out.
2. lots of new players on the team and even the holdover he has only been playing with less than a year.
3. no time to practice, no rest and one of the most difficult schedules among teams at the start of season.
4. avery plays him off the ball.
5. nets are losing.
yep, trade deron’s behind now!
by jirohkanzaki on Jan 12, 2012 10:49 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
BUT BUT BUT
HE WHINES TOO!
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I love deron
He is the least of our problems, if you ask me.
In fact. He is one of the only thing that is not a problem right now
Brook-Brooks-Brooklyn
LET'S DO THIS!
Really
So you dont think he is taking too many forced jump shots?
So you dont think Dwill play off the ball is a bad idea?
So you dont think Dwill has had some really bad key TOs?
Does he have any other choice? Other than Marshon, who else do we have?
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Can Someone please
tell me who’s idea it is to PLAY DWILL OFF THE BALL? IF it was AVERY SMH!!!!!!
Does this remind people about another PLAYER AVERY said should play SG more then his natural position?
I see pattern here.
FIRE AVERY NOW!!!!!!! OPIE ALL OVER AGAIN!!!!
Playing off the ball is a great idea in the Euroleague
but here it’s a major mistake
by Mookie Blaylock on Jan 12, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
It was Avery's idea...
but DWill signed off on the idea from day 1.
Until Brook returns or Brooks develops good play-making abilities, that is to be expected from him, in my opinion.
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
It was probably Deron
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by eLonepb on Jan 12, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What was the deadline for AK47 to opt out?? Need him almost at all cost
Zach Lowe: Apologies if redundant, but Andrei Kirilenko’s agent confirms AK-47 wants back in the NBA next year, if he gets the right kind of offer. 2 minutes ago
Trade Farmar while he is hot for late first round or two second round to create cap space for AK-47.
it's too late....he's now locked in for the rest of the year
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jan 12, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
right offer aka Full Mle type money over at least 3 years
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 12, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Gaines body language screams he is giving his all...
Sadly, he doesn’t know how to play… he should have given it his all with thousands of hours of practice like Deron did when they were still kids…
Because you know which one was working harder as a kid.
by Clayton Balch on Jan 12, 2012 11:05 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
You're right! Deron might have sold his sold to the devil to get that crossover overnight! LOL
by jirohkanzaki on Jan 12, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Developing a part of your game depends on a number of factors,
not just practice time.
Environment (the right coaching, role models, etc.)
Mental Capacity (length of a learning curve is different for everyone)
Practice time
Effort
Athletic ability
Raw talent
Its not just about how much time you put in the gym.
by Clayton Balch on Jan 12, 2012 12:06 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
D Wil is clearly
the better athlete and has more mental capacity than Sundiata. For all we know Sundiata worked twice as hard growing up as D Wil, but he didnt have the other tools to become great like raw talent, good learning environment, etc.
T Mac was notorious for having an extremely poor work ethic, yet he was seen as a top 3 nba player in his prime. Why? Athletic ability, raw talent, mental capacity. I would say most players worked much harder than tmac, why werent they better than him?
by Clayton Balch on Jan 12, 2012 12:12 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Farmar gives his best effort on a daily basis.
He shouldn’t be viewed as a trade chip on the rise, he deserves better.
This team misses Stevenson badly, he’s the best overall defender.
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
yuck Barnes?
I’d take Davis Drummond, MKG and Lamb over Barnes. In fact I’d take 10 other guys in the lottery over Barnes. Barnes has a ceiling of Loul Deng without the defense and athleticism.
Well disputably it is all
I don't speak English
by RussianNets on Jan 12, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
I DONT LIKE
how all our PGs are playing.
Actually Gaines, Farmar and Dwill are playing exactly the same.
They are rushing shots, forcing the issue too much disregarding teammates and are taking really bad jump shots.
how real is the threat of loosing dwill because we are loosing that much(and that bad)?
excuse my bad english please
by -Seiti- on Jan 12, 2012 11:16 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Deron has never pointed at anyone but himself while losing...
Also, never had migraines and never had eternal whipping boy when team loses in Vince Carter…
by jirohkanzaki on Jan 12, 2012 11:19 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Did we lose MrDollaBills to all this nonsense?????
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jan 12, 2012 11:19 AM EST reply actions
I hope he's not perma-banned
these are frustrating times. tensions are high
mike.....ND mighta cleaned up the thread
but i have the actual quote saved on my computer as evidence
please dont force me to pull it out…….YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jan 12, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
well, you know us bagelmakers, we are quite connected with loan officers
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jan 12, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
ND is like the sun peaking through on a cloudy day.............all's better
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jan 12, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
At least it can't get any worse...Can it ?
by M I K E on Jan 12, 2012 11:21 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
You are the MAN M I K E!!!!
I would like to one day meet you to shake your hand…. you make me laugh like crazy.
by pip2332Nets on Jan 12, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
lets not get confused, he played really well, and gave this team great energy (in th 4th)
But as long as your name isn’t Deron, you are not exempt from any trade
deron isn't exempt either
he better get his act together
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As long as we still have a shot at Dwight,
Deron is exempt from any trade.
If Dwight goes elsewhere he’ll likely re-sign (i.e. LA), then Deron becomes tradable — and he might not want to stay on anyway.
Join the club lol
I forgot who I replied to, to get banned last night
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by Shameer1016 on Jan 12, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, you tweaked your typing thumb and took it out on fellow posters....
DWill oop to D12
Otis Smith makes Travis Outlaw look like Avery Johnson
yes d-wills attitude sucks but he acknowledged that and said he needs to get better
its not going to happen overnight its a process he’ll get better and he has been playing well recently i dont know how 3 straight double doubles including 16 and 14 last night is bad
by Nets2410 on Jan 12, 2012 11:40 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Do you think Deron Williams and Chris Douglas Roberts have similar personality types?
2011-2012 season prediction: 22-44
And I'm fine with that. One of the original leaders of the "Dwight Howard, not Nono Hilario" movement.
Yes.
Fire Johnson and hire Van Gundy - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking something when he let Van Gundy slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jan 12, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
Avery must be a funny dude to talk to
Fred Kerber: Avery on DWill: “We want him to opt out” Best for him best for family. But then re-sign “one minute” after free agency starts
I bet his defensive meetings
are a real comedy routine!
zing
Click the button that looks like a pic of a tree
add in link (from right clicking on image and selecting image location)
not a bad idea to preview it first
there ya go
not a bad idea in the future to make sure you have a subject line added on a post you put an image in. It enables ppl with slower connections to hide the images by clicking on the subject line
Deron probably feels like this during games:
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jan 12, 2012 12:10 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You mean personal messages?
No
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by Shameer1016 on Jan 12, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Thank God for Google
Your Welcome
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by Shameer1016 on Jan 12, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Hollinger just doesn't understand!!
John (New Jersey) – How much longer can Deron play at such a poor level? If he out of shape? Does he hate NJ? Just going through the motions for Dwight?
John Hollinger – I was shocked by how mediocre Williams looked when I was up in Jersey at the start of the season, and his play hasn’t improved much. He just doesn’t seem to have that same burst when he attacks off the dribble, so he’s running into a lot more traffic. Very interesting for what it portends for free agency — hard to sell him as a max guy if he keeps playing like this.
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by eLonepb on Jan 12, 2012 12:17 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Hollinger doesn’t see the bigger picture?
by JimmyLips on Jan 12, 2012 12:23 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
He understands...
and if he doesn’t… that tells you something about Hollinger.
A blind man can see what’s wrong with the Nets right now.
16 for 14 is mediocre OOO K hollinger lets see you play ball
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Truth is.....
He hasnt looked like his explosive self for the most part.
Part of it could be that defenses are sagging on him, due to the lack of a post game, his jump shot has been turrible all year, and his teammates up until recently couldnt throw a ball in the ocean with exception of MarShon.
Then there are times, you are like wow, thats the Dwill we traded for. Not sure if maybe hes pacing himself, or its a combination of all the factors above.
But he is still a max guy Mr. Holilnger……IMO
D Will in 2011...BK in 2012....
by O Dog on Jan 12, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Disagree.
But he is still a max guy Mr. Holilnger……IMO
Based on what?
based on past accomplishments not based on playing on the bum nets with scrubs
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Oh.
So then Tracy McGrady is a max player, no?
thats completely different
you know that
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
he had a horrible injury and he's like 34 you seriously just ask that
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
well not 34 but he's old
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Deron Williams had an injury that has appeared to affect his production.
His performance (so far) is dramatically worse than it was before. The same applies to Tracy McGrady. Age is an important factor, though — you got me there.
he hurt his wrist not like he broke it
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
He use to be lol
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by Shameer1016 on Jan 12, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
I thought elite PGs were supposed to elevate their teammates
So you’re telling me DWill needs his teammates to elevate him? That’s the way it’s looks so far since he’s gotten here. Or maybe it’s the system?
It’s not just his abysmal shooting percentage. He looks slow (relatively) and lost. He’s also dogging it defensively. We can bash the supporting cast all we want, but until he carries the team to a couple of wins, how can you consider him an elite player? At some point, the question will have to be asked: “Is he a truly elite PG or is he a very good PG who was elite in Sloan’s offense?” Time will tell, but it’s hard to point to many games where you can say that he flat out won the PG matchup.
Based on a career sample size
Not 11 games playing with backups.
Lets not forget this is a pass first PG whos averaged over 10 APG for 4 consecutive years.
Lead his team to the WCF and generally makes players around him better (See Boozer, Carlos).
I could keep going……and I for one am not happy with his level of play right now. But I dont use an 11 game sample size over a 4 year stretch of top notch PG play.
D Will in 2011...BK in 2012....
by O Dog on Jan 12, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Re-read what Hollinger wrote.
Very interesting for what it portends for free agency — hard to sell him as a max guy if he keeps playing like this.
If he keeps this up, I don’t see how anyone can argue that he’s a max player. Right now, it seems that he was a product of Sloan’s system. Not sure how you can effectively argue that.
He's averaging 17 & 8 with a team
that has
- no inside presence
- no starters who ever started anywhere else
- only 2 games where the team has shot over 40% from the field.
If that’s “bad” then I can’t wait to see what’s an average season for this guy.
by Anthony Perez on Jan 12, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
you tried playing pg for the nets
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Whoopty damn do
Deron’s career win shares: .138
Jason Kidd’s career win shares: .133
According to win shares, Deron is a better player than Jason Kidd.
by Anthony Perez on Jan 12, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Not that I agree with that
But one isolated stat is ridiculous. That’s the point.
by Anthony Perez on Jan 12, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
If he keeps this up for 66 games then lets talk
But its been 11 games!
Last year he averaged 15/12 with a bad wrist on a lottery bound team with limited offensive talent. Now all of a sudden hes a product of a system? Really?
There could be a myraid of reasons why hes not playing well and I dont think any one of them has to do with him being a product of Jerry Sloan’s system.
D Will in 2011...BK in 2012....
Call me crazy, but I've never been a HUGE fan of Deron Williams. He's a great talent and a star, but I've never been in love.
20 and 10 and friends with Dwight Howard doesn’t always make a superstar. Superstars shine no matter what. Superstars stand out. Superstars are celebrities little boys want to be and little girls want to marry. There is some inherent thing superstars have they call ‘it". I’m not sure if Deron has it.
I never really got to watch much of him until the 2008 Summer Olympics, but he didn’t seem to be in the same tier as a lot of the players on that team. Many wouldn’t argue the fact that Lebron, Melo, Kobe, Wade and Howard are all better than him. —Those players are transcendental talents and born leaders. From what I have seen, I don’t believe Deron is either of those.
I just feel he’s more Rajon Rondo than he is Lebron James. There’s nothing wrong with being in that tier. Players in that tier are very valuable, they’re just not going to save a franchise. Which, I suppose is why our franchise thinks Deron is our best chance at Dwight Howard, who is one of the premier transcendental talents of the league.
by Coach Joe on Jan 12, 2012 12:26 PM EST reply actions 11 recs
I'm beginning to come to the same conclusion.
I really hope there’s something wrong — aside from the fact that he’s surrounded by a bunch of bums — because his production is troublesome.
His win-shares are negative — I repeat: NEGATIVE — that’s crazy.
by Dopeness on Jan 12, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It is delirium. Deron dragged Utah. It the proved player. Why you do conclusions on 11 games?Why not who hasn’t doubted in СР3 last year when he didn’t have a game? You search for that of that aren’t present
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by RussianNets on Jan 12, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
DWill is below Lebron but above Rondo
And if he can make Howard say yes to the Nets, his value is magnified.
Give him good Big (Lopes/Howard/Amare). You will see on what he is capable.
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by RussianNets on Jan 12, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
That's kind of the point.
Суперзвезды не нуждаются в других ‘хороших’ игроках вокруг них, чтобы произвести.
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Суперзвезды не нуждаются в других ‘хороших’ игроках вокруг них, чтобы быть суперзвездами.
Ты серьезно так думаешь? Чего добился Ховард в Орландо, чего добился Шак и ТиМак в Орландо, чего добился Яо в Хьюстоне, Чего добился Пол в Орлеане, Чего добился Бош в Торонто? Только не говори что они были в плейофф. Еще раз повторюсь будь у нас Лопес мы имели бы 5-6 минимум учитываю трудный календарь
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by RussianNets on Jan 12, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Да.
Это не изменяет ничто. Прямо сейчас, Deron Williams не суперзвезда. Честно говоря, он не даже звезда.
I agree with you in that that he plays badly. But he is itself understands. It is necessary to support him. He the superstar also proved it throughout many years.
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by RussianNets on Jan 12, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Once again...
He has not proved that he’s a superstar. He has proved that he could post good numbers — not sure that I would call them ‘superstar’ numbers — in Jerry Sloan’s system.
We claim that other players may have been/are overrated. Why can’t the same apply to a player wearing a Nets jersey?
so hitting game winners for the jazz getting them to wcf isn't a superstar i hope deron leave this trash team
how is 17-8 his career stats overrated
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by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
ok whatever you say man deron sucks i hope he leaves
so we don’t get dwight start farmar at point for season you happy
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by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Or...
Look at Boozer in Chicago, he can’t produce at the same level because he’s no longer in Jerry Sloan’s system.
That’s a logical deduction; it’s just one that many don’t want to make because it would be a slight at Deron.
by Dopeness on Jan 12, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Its also logical to say....
Boozer had better numbers because he played with a player who gave him the ball in a better position to score
Boozers FG % the last 3 years he was healthy was
56/55/56
LY with Rose, who is a score first PG, it was 51. This year, again 51.
So one can logically also point out that playing with a Point guard rather than a Scoring guard was to his benefit.
D Will in 2011...BK in 2012....
Of course.
That’s my point: there are two possible explanations.
Obviously, Nets fans are going to gravitate to the one you proposed because it allows Deron Williams to escape unscathed.
My point is that the Jerry Sloan argument seems to be a better one; because both players have regressed significantly.
Well we agree to disagree
I dont think 11 games is enough of a sample
He averaged 13 APG last year with no practice time, limited offensive weapons and a bum wrist.
Thats higher than any other year in his career.
That being said I am not happy with his level of play, but the jury remains. I cant use 11 games as a benchmark, the same way I wouldnt use 3 games in the NFL or 20 games in MLB
D Will in 2011...BK in 2012....
Neither can I.
I want to see what the result is with a sufficient sample size.
However, right now, it doesn’t look good.
Agreed
He needs to step up his play and it really is curious to see his game this year.
Not sure if there are other issues involved here (free agency, too involved with the front office, ect) but I am hoping that he turns it around.
D Will in 2011...BK in 2012....
No.
I am assured that matter is not in system Sloan. You will look that will be when Lopez will return. Deron 20 + ppg / 10 + ast / >3 TO’s
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I’m not doubting he’ll be fine with a good big. Devin Harris made the All-Star team with a good big and a veteran SG.
That was once lol
and he was #1 option.
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by Shameer1016 on Jan 12, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
5 Rec'd
Impressive.
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If he had Rondo's Defense
He’d be elite. I can live with a PG that can’t shoot. Kidd’s shot was terrible when he was here. However, Kidd could always be relied on to play hard, play physical defense, crash the boards, and do everything else needed to be successful. Save for the occasional three or flashy pass, DWill hasn’t given us anything this year.
They shot over 50%
I would hope his assist count would be high.
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by Shameer1016 on Jan 12, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
yeah cause deron finds them wide open
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by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
That must be one hell of a job
pass the ball to a open player? Give this man a max contract soon!!!
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by Shameer1016 on Jan 12, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
his career stats are 17 and 9 he's not jordan
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by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
He's actually not a Superstar
and a 20-10 guy has never looked like fools gold before in recent memory. Top that with the wonderful speeches he gives during interviews, he might be more successful as a Publicist instead of a Franchise PG.
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by Shameer1016 on Jan 12, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
ok well last time i checked he wasn't leading utah to victories by scoring
but he’s basically bringing use dwight so why doesn’t everyone relax
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by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
That's all find and dandy
but this guy stock is falling, and he is clearly not a franchise player or Top 10 now. He is being exploited, and its getting funnier and funnier. You have to wonder when all this losing is finally going to make him crack.
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by Shameer1016 on Jan 12, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
check out the other PGs so far
DWill is at 17 and 8 with this Lopez-less, injury-riddled, mediocre team
Paul at 16 and 9
Rondo at 16 and 10
Westbrook at 19 and 5
MVP Rose at 21 and 9
Now you look at those other PGs’ teams. They’re not only vastly superior in talent but also mostly healthy.
DWill definitely needs to improve on his bad shooting and cut down on his many turnovers, but he’s not become a back-up PG like haters would happily proclaim.
by stenpoint on Jan 12, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Okay, where are the stats showing:
Leadership? Defense? Wins? Changing the team climate?
by Coach Joe on Jan 12, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
deron has his the best one on one defender on the team besides stevenson
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by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
thats not saying much
how many points did we give up yesterday? oh yeah…
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by Coach Joe on Jan 12, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He did, because he was a freaking LEADER
That man literally carried this team so many times during his years here.
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Raw stats are meaningless.
Come on, aren’t we passed this?
by Dopeness on Jan 12, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
truly
WS/48:
Paul .201
Rondo .157
Westbrook .067
Rose .255
DWill .000
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by calling all toasters on Jan 12, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
haha good joke
name one starter from the nets that would start on a contender right now
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by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
no your right deron sucks trade him
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by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Why does it have to be all or nothing like that?
Stats aside, it’s quite clear the dude just needs some reinforcements.
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and I didn’t make the team. From the start I’ve always said we’d be bad but this is ridiculous now.
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This D-Will bashing reminds me of the Lopez bashing
Then we see what happens when we lose a Lopez and we see nothing but REVERENCE for Lopez and spite for D-Will.
After the trade last year, D-Will was God. Playing the PG position like it was a musical instrument, leading us on a bit of a run. His shot was off, but his wrist was injured and we forgave him.
Now he has one shooter, a surprising ROOKIE, no inside presence, and no practice time and we crucify the guy.
This board is bipolar.
by Anthony Perez on Jan 12, 2012 12:46 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
i never bashed lopez unless if he missed a clear rebound
because i never thought lopez was superstar status.
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
He's averaging 17 & 8 with a team...
that has
- no inside presence
- no starters who ever started anywhere else
- only 2 games where the team has shot over 40% from the field.
If that’s "bad" then I can’t wait to see what’s an average season for this guy.
by Anthony Perez on Jan 12, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
he could average 30/20 and I will still call him out and his lack of leadership, bad body language and quitter attitude.
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Intangibles that are a requisite for an "Elite" Point Guard
or else you might as well be a 20/10 “Starbury”. This was always my point when people argued based on stats that Starbury was a better point guard than JKidd back in the days. As we all know, this was never the case.
With exception of the “migraine” period, Jkidd’s leadership, body language (especially when diving to the floor and coming up with blood in Charlotte), and his never quit “Will to Win” at all cost was unmatchable the 2 years Nets went to the Final. although, arguably, surrounded by better talent, it was JKidd’s attitude that gave every Nets fan confidnce that we will have a fighting chance against any team in the league.
by SCALABRINGIT on Jan 12, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
he's averaging 17 and 8
with one of the highest usage % in the league. You think 17 points on 16 shots is good?
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by calling all toasters on Jan 12, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
kobe score 40 but also take 31 shots
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by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
But Kobe is allowed to do that
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yeah haha true
but theres other players who can do it too
durant
wade
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by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Very true, and I have no problem with them doing it
maybe I personally overrated #8 because I thought he would be able to score like those top players when the times get tough.
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haha stop
kobe is amazing when he’s on he is on which is a lot but I’m just saying other players can do it too
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by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Many players can do it with 30+ shots
We’ve had one of the best SG to play this game on our team back then, and one players find a rhythm, there going off for 30+.
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17 points on 16 shots is not as many points per shot as 40 on 31. 17 on 16 is bad; 40 on 31 is very good.
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by calling all toasters on Jan 12, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
he's not averaging 14 assists
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by calling all toasters on Jan 12, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
no but he was 16 pts and 14 art last night ave like 17 and 9 right now thats his career stats
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by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
let's start again
a lot of points is not good for your team if you take an excessive number of shots to get them. Each team gets an equal number of possessions in each game. When Deron misses 10.2 shots and turns the ball over 4.6 times, that’s 14.8 possessions lost for his 16.9 points. Over the last 4 years, he has been very consistent, and averaged 8.6 misses and 2.9 TOs, for 11.5 possessions lost for his 19.2 points. So he’s scoring 2.3 fewer points and giving the ball to the other team 3.3 times more (worth about 3.3 points). His decline costs the Nets about 5.6 points per game.
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by calling all toasters on Jan 12, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
It's not bashing. It's reality.
Some — not all — of us are (objectively) assessing Deron Williams as a player.
Those that want to throw on their Nets glasses and blind themselves from reality, it’s fine and it’s understandable — it’s part of being a fan. But don’t act as if you’re the sane one.
He's playing below his standards
But say you haven’t seen other superstars visibly showing frustration on the court is ridiculous. Watch the Kobe post-Shaq & pre-Gasol…and that dude has 5 rings.
by Anthony Perez on Jan 12, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Way below standards. It's not like he's just playing slightly worst than his best years
He is leading the league in turnovers and can’t shoot worth a blank
turnovers yeah some are completely his fault but thats him trying to make stuff happen trying to hard
with players he’s no use to new system he’s also throwing to players like james horrible hands petro horrible hands sheldan horrible hands
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by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, that explains 3 of his TOs
only 43 others to go
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by calling all toasters on Jan 12, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
?
I’m not talking about his body language. I don’t care that he’s frustrated; in fact, I like him more because he’s willing to show emotion. I like his personality.
I’m just observing his production. It’s frightening. Name one superstar — or even all-star — who has ever posted negative win-shares.
he places the blame on himself to
he said he needs to become a better leader
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He says he does, but his actions last night didn't show it.
A leader would say that actions speak louder than words. Deron’s actions didn’t suggest that he’s making an effort to improve.
what does he have to prove that he can beat the raptors with a trash team he's no a one man show
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by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
He’s no one man show.
And … that’s my point.
well we didn't bring him here to be a one man show
don’t forget deron wasn’t playing the point at the beginning of the season
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by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Lol.
So, now you’re changing your argument?
Okay, whatever. We’ll see what happens.
i never said deron was amazing I'm saying he's playing on a horrible team
and he stats this year are same as his career stats without playing point for first couple games put any other point guard on this team from start of the season record will be the same maybe worse
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by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
there right on point with his career stats
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by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
That's what he says/said
I also hear he was gon check himself and fix his attitude on the court be a leader. Obviously that didn’t happen
I don't. It's understandable.
Now, does it make me question his ability to be a leader? Yup.
But, honestly, I’m way more concerned with his on-court production.
but he's different than most superstars
yes, he can score. he’s a great scorer. but with no inside presence, by being double teamed, he cant take over a game. only scorer-types can take over games while being double teamed.
his game starts with the ability to distribute with ease. when no one around him is a threat to the other team, he cant get get into what he wants to.
Not a great scorer
A great scorer can score with bums on the squad. Like Kobe has done when Shaq left, Lebron on Cleveland Nd Melo
those are special talents
they are built to score, are any of those guys a PG? no
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i guess we just give certain words different value.
i see great, and then i see elite. im sure we agree regarding the issue, just giving different value to words.
So, let me ask you this?
Is there another tier above superstar? Because to me, that’s the highest you can get.
Chris Paul is a superstar. He’s not a score-first type player, yet he posted AMAZING numbers with a very poor Hornets team.
Nothing I’ve seen from Deron Williams would lead me to say that he’s a superstar.
cp3 had better players around him than deron does.
plus, cp3 does have more “scorer” in him than deron.
but the hornets cp3 had are completely different than the players we have. they were a threat at least a little bit. just like how the magic are a piss poor team if you dont have dwight. but when he gets a good amount of attention, they can do their job.
Okay...
The Hornets were a better team than the Nets. I’ll certainly give you that.
But not by enough of a margin to explain the gap in production between Paul and Williams.
Doesn’t matter, I’m not gonna get anywhere with this argument because the majority of people here appear unable to assess the situation objectively. Waving the white flag.
Definitely not
The scary thing is that he’s in his prime, and he’s sliding. People argue he’s the 3rd best PG right now, but one could easily see him getting passed up by a number of young PGs before he’s even past his prime.
i think youll be happy to know i can assess situations objectively.
you’re right, in the end, it doesnt explain the gap between the two. i personally put deron as my #2 pg in the nba, cp3 being #1 but just at a different level when it comes to the all around game.
What about Rose?
Last season, he posted better numbers than Williams has ever had in his career. Plus: He’s increased his FG% and his assists, this season.
If this continues, I may have to drop Williams below Westbrook. We’ll see what happens.
Yikes. Westbrook is a super athlete Nd great defender
But IMO he is the reason OKC got bumped in the playoffs
for me its really tough to compare players who arent in the same situation.
yes, cp3 has the clippers, but he has been on a team where he has been asked to do things solo.
but rose has some very talented players around him, and from that, he can play to his fullest potential. i guess i cant accurately measure a comparison with d-will. i want to see d-will playing at his full potential, or rose playing with lackluster talent.
Okay, but I'll say it again...
Derrick Rose has a better season, in his third year in the league, than Deron Williams has ever had.
How can you still say that Williams is better?
so you're saying rose could be the #1 pg in the league. cause according to last season, yes, he is near/at that level.
here’s what im saying. im not saying deron is hands-down better. but i like deron more for various reasons. he can distribute better, makes players on the team better, and, in my opinion, controls the game better.
im not saying rose doesnt do those things better than most. i do think he does those things better than rose. and that could show, if we had better surrounding players, or even just brook back.
now rose is hands-down the better scorer. he’s one of the best in the league. but to me, you can get that production from other players. you can find scorers. jamal crawford is an example. hes not an elite player, but he can get a shot, or used to be able to, when he wants and he’s pretty darn good at it. rose is a different type of scorer than that, but you get my point.
now im not saying having a pg as a threat to score isnt a factor, it is. but i dont think it is as much a factor as if we were comparing a different position.
after writing this, i think ive thought of something else. if youre on a crap to mediocre, i think rose is the player you want over deron. but if you are above that, have some capable scorers, maybe add another star in there, i personally would want deron. imo, his point guard game is better. maybe not through stat comparison, but imo he is.
im sure i didnt word everything great, but yeah. i can see both sides of rose vs williams though. it really comes down to personal preference.
To the Rose point, no.
Rose’s production last season isn’t even close to Paul’s best season. Paul has had three seasons which surpass Rose’s year.
Also:
I think people forget that Rose is only in his fourth season and just turned 23.
He still has a long way to go.
Deron doesnt show leadership
If cp3 was on this team, he would be sulking the same way deron is? No..he would be in guys face and holding them accountable as he always does. He yells, communicates, encourages and just has more fire. No matter who hes playing with. That will make up for talent all the time. Which is why hes always been the #1 PG imo.
by 1stnamelastname on Jan 12, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
So you're going to talk about Deron's body language
But not Westbrook. Who has been DERIDED in the past for his lack of leadership qualities as well?
by Anthony Perez on Jan 12, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
The Hornets still beat teams when CP3 went down to injuries
I couldn’t imagine this team, especially sans Lopez, beating teams.
by Anthony Perez on Jan 12, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent point
Hes a pass first PG, with nobody to pass to.
And the lack of a post game is without a doubt affecting his ability to penetrate and get to the rim.
That being said, his jump shot has been shady and his unselfishness is actually hurting this team. He needs to be more selfish- but thats not his game.
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by O Dog on Jan 12, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If he becomes more selfish it would hurt the team with out a doubt
His Shot is OFF. Also when he takes it to the basket alot of the timer has a hard time finishing. He gets to the line a good amount some games. But I’ think if his jump shot is not falling it’s hard for him to get going
He's passing to the OTHER TEAM
He leads the league in turnovers!
It wouldn’t matter if he had Dwight on the block and Lebron on the wing – he’s passing it to the OTHER team.
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Turnovers also includes balls going out of bounds
And there have been plenty due to guys being in wrong spots.
It’s like blaming Eli Manning for interceptions when the receiver ran the wrong route.
by Anthony Perez on Jan 12, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
In my case I haven't bashed Deron's ability to play but mostly his body language and attitude
I am NO DOUBT ABOUT IT calling him out on his recent play because he has been nothing less than GARBAGE this season, but I kno the REAL DWill, even the DWill from last year with no wrist is a top PG and has the ability to be the best.
people are disapointed because he is now "healthy"
I am mostly disappointed with his “quitter” attitude TBH.
I really doubt he will continue shooting poorly for the rest of the year, and his turnovers will eventually go down but his attitude stinks and does not credit one of a “leader” or “Franchise player”.
Last night there was a play where we came back from being down 23 to about 8-10 thanks to Farmar and dwill turned the ball over and instead of running back and helping out the team he was just like whatever, put his arms up and sulked for a little. All that happened while farmar sprinted back and took a charge.
I mean this is the OPPOSITE of Jason Kidd. This is troubling for me.
There is no doubt that he IS a top 3 or top 5 PG in the league and a LEGIT player but he is NOT a franchise player or a leader.
He does not lead by example. When things go wrong he whines and pouts instead of rallying the group and inspire them to turn it around.
I was sold on him because of his 20-10 status, but CP3 IS a better player and IS a better leader regardless of STATS.
We really need Lopez to come back soon or trade for DH12, because Dwill alone is not enough for us to get 12 wins this season.
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
Time out
A lot of us here never once bashed Lopez, including me. But we’re talking about a “Top 10 Player” here and a “Franchise Player”. I’ve never seen a 20-10 #1 option guy look so bad before. And its an overall effect. And last time I checked, the bashing were people opinions.
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"A lot of us here never once bashed Lopez"
PLEEEEEEEASE!
There were tons of people calling out Lopez. Revisionism 101 going on here.
by Anthony Perez on Jan 12, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
And there were the few sane ones who didn't
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Beware the Lopez
NY Giants Tribute
Which include me
I bash everything and everyone BUT Lopez…..and Petro
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What's all the fuss about...
The Nets right now have only one legitimate NBA starter on their team. Two if you count Humphries. That’s why losing Lopez was so huge.
The rest of our team are role players and backups. Brooks is a rookie but he might be our second or third best player right now. Throw in our tough opening schedule and nagging injuries and guess what happens…
We all know the plan by now. It’s tough losing but the Nets have their grand plan and we just have to grin and bear it for now.
by M I K E on Jan 12, 2012 12:50 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
all ive been saying from the beginning
Just hoping it all works out.
by 1stnamelastname on Jan 12, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
I'd go so far as to say being traded to NJ has damaged the Deron Williams on-court brand thus far.
The future may skyrocket him into another dimension. I can only voice my opinions about what I watch happen, not what the future holds.
I HATE HIS ATTITUDE UGH
The only way this trade was worth it is if we get DH12.
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
Good thing Morrow found his shot. Things would be much worse if he hadn’t.
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We lead the league in loss differential
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NETS VS SUNS
do we have a shot friday night?
be honest
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Suns are not very good
And not very athletic. So I think they are a good matchup.
They also aren’t very good on the wings. It’s all about stopping Nash and not letting them get wide open looks.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 12, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Nash might go for a real 20-10
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No. The interesting question would be which Suns journeyman will post career #s
DWill oop to D12
Otis Smith makes Travis Outlaw look like Avery Johnson
All the deron defenders have a point
as well as
All the Deron basher also have a point….
One thing is clear though, no matter what we are all fans, and it’s hard to watch the product put on the floor without reacting with rage and venom….we all want “the big picture” to go through, and we all hope and pray for it…..some of us need to control our emotions better, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion….i just pray dwill doesnt actually read this board, lol
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jan 12, 2012 1:03 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
agreed
but when has this ever been different we are nets fans 12-70 last year its nothing new
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by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Not last year bro the year before lol
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the past 5 years haha
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by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
MDB and NI went off this morning, lol. sometimes not refreshing the page and letting the comments pile up is a good thing for comic relief
speculation is nothing like reality, i try to deal in logic
you have a keen eye for sifting through excrement
Nets arent my life, for some they are, i have a great life
no wonder tickets are going for a penny on stubhub
they are trying as hard as they can because they are losing by 12 instead of 30.
this season is lost, it has been sacrificed, i dont know why people cant see that
Deron had nothing to do with Sloan leaving. Sloan is a quitter unlike Deron. Nets gave up nothing for Deron even if it turns into a rental
bonus:
Lets read Gossip Weekly about Beyonce’s baby instead of why this team blows
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I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 12, 2012 1:06 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
dont forget
bagel makers and salesmen lol
by 1stnamelastname on Jan 12, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that was with me.....but ND cleaned that up
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jan 12, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
thats the one i was looking for
something like bagels and females baked or boiled
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I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 12, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, I missed one hell of a show
where is Dollar Bills though now?
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LMFAO
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Yormark salivating at the thought of selling tix to the NetsDaily show. We are 1000X more entertaining than the moiso product on the court
DWill oop to D12
Otis Smith makes Travis Outlaw look like Avery Johnson
When Lopez comes back this will be a different team by FAR! Hell even when Stevenson comes back Defense hopefully shouldn’t be a problem. Stevenson would have shut down Gallinari and Affalo Yesterday.
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he would have guarded two guys at the same time?
who would have guarded the great corey brewer?
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Gallinari destroyed us in the first half Stevenson could have guarded him. His play on the defensive end alone would have spark the other guys up to commit to defense it would have been a completely different game IMO.
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You guys are overrating Stevenson again
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by Shameer1016 on Jan 12, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We have guys who are expected to do more tha nthey can
We have a team full of glorified role players expected to do more than they can. The fact that none are known for their defense(exception of stevenson) we get nights like last night. Will Farmar go off for 26 again? Probably not. Will we hit 20 3s again? Doubt it. All good positives but when the D sucks we still lose.
This is a team with 3 legit starters and one is out and he happens to be our other 20ppg scorer. DOnt expect too much for this team. We just have to wait till after all star/trade deadline to see what changes.
by 1stnamelastname on Jan 12, 2012 1:13 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
great post
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I don't think anyone disagrees with you
But you expect more from your all-world all-star player, especially since he’s a PG. He can be frustrated, show anger, and all that. But you have to hustle constantly, fire up your team when they are down, yell at them when they miss assignments, whatever it takes to be a leader.
Maybe he knows they are all gone in a Dwight trade and doesn’t care. Either way, that’s been the bash of Deron today. Lack of leadership and hustle last night.
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maybe we overrated deron
and were just blinded by the move and didn’t realize that he isn’t as good as we thought
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it's not just us
he’s been a consensus top 3 (some crazy people would even argue best) PG for many years now. it’s not a case of us overrating him, it’s everyone. not the question if he was really ever that good, or it Sloan just made him look good.
by sheepareevil on Jan 12, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Sidenote.....Biscotti is a very underrated treat!!!
Aside from being not all that bad for you, it’s tasty and deliciously sweet yet freshening!!!!!
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jan 12, 2012 1:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
LOL the great
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jan 12, 2012 1:17 PM EST reply actions
am i like banned from posting pics???? each time i try.....BLANK
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jan 12, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
what the...
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
THERE WE GO.....THE GREAT COREY BREWER!!!!!
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jan 12, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
bonafide allstar
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
he
Wouldve sucked for us..
by MetsNetsGiants on Jan 12, 2012 4:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ric Bucher Top 7 Players in the NBA
7. Westbrook
6. Dirk
5. Wade
4. Dwight
3. LeBron
2. Rose
1. Kobe
So Westbrook is better than Durant and CP3….wow.
idiots
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wow Kobe #1?
knowing the media i thought LeBron would have that locked up
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At this moment Kobe is playing like the #1
by 1stnamelastname on Jan 12, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
that i would agree with
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yea at this moment
its going to be funny when he chucks against a good team.
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1 LeBron
2 Howard
3 Kobe
4 Durant
5 Wade
6 CP3
7 Rose
8 Dirk
9 Melo
10 Stat / Dwill
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
injury concerns and having a better player on your own team takes away value
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
I think if it was a "who would u start ur team with " argument thy would work
But I still think DWade is the better player
honestly i think dwade gets bailed out by the refs way too much
especially on the offensive end that’s why im not as fond of him
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Our protection: Deron average, Brooks bad, Morrow bad, Hump good, Petro bad, Okur bad, Stevenson good, Farmar bad, Shel good, Shawne bad. Also what you want from this command?
I don't speak English
smh
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Dwight Howard!
C’mon Orlando, don’t you want these guys!?
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If the nets gave out a kindergarten type report card
next to dwills comments would it say: “Can be semi rude, does not get along well with others, refuses to answer teachers questions”
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jan 12, 2012 1:22 PM EST reply actions 12 recs
haha
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Brilliant and funny post lol
someone should do this for all of our players in a fan post.
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Petro
“seems lost in class, very slow learner, but he is the teacher’s favorite!”
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by Keysta101 on Jan 12, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
taking graham's role from last year
lol
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Noooo
At least Petro can hit a shot and has a sweet spot. Graham sweet spot should have been the last guy on the bench.
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The Bottom Line
is Dwill is playing horribly.
Is it the Lockout? Is it that Lopez not playing? Is it the lack of practice? Is that Avery is making bad decisions with the rotation?
One thing is for sure Avery still hasnt figured out what is wrong with this team. in the Denver game, We started great but Avery’s starting lineup killed it. Morrow and Brooks was a mistake. Yeah Stevenson is hurt but start ShaWill. yeah he has been off but he has size to play the 3.
Dwill, Brooks, ShaWill, Hump, Petro
Farmar/Gaines, Morrow, SheWill, Okur
what drives me insane is knowing if kirilenko is on this team
and playing we look very different on the floor…..defends, good hands, good rebounder, can hit open jumpers, and knows how to play within the flow of an offense
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jan 12, 2012 1:24 PM EST reply actions
the lopez injury was KILLER
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
It was, but we're getting blown the hell out of
and if Lopez was playing, that would just be another target for his haters
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Dwight Motivating Kobe
Interestingly, Bucher’s theory for Kobe’s recent 40+ points surge is his response to D. Howard, among others, questioning whether or not he had anything left in the tank after 14+ seasons. If your Dwight would you rather play with CURRENT Kobe or Deron? I think the whole comparison to Shaq legacy and the fact that Kobe has to be the main guy is the only thing in favor of Dwight joining force with Deron at this point.
LINK: http://espn.go.com/videohub/video/clip?id=7454048&categoryid=2459788
how much longer can kobe do it for though???? a year, 2 max before he starts losing a little bit of his scoring dominance
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jan 12, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed but might in fact support the Kobe/Dwight Combo
Dwight can conclude that joining force with CURRENT Kobe as the complimentary superstar gives him the best chance to win a championship NOW and with Kobe fading in a couple of years..it will be HIS team in the LA limelight to defend the championship afterwards.
by SCALABRINGIT on Jan 12, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
better than having to watch dwill commit 35+ TurnOver's
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Deron is a bad fit for the Nets.. and if we don't get Howard, we should get rid of him
Deron, himself, said he doesn’t want to rebuild. If we don’t get Howard we are clearly rebuilding. His body language makes it clear he doesn’t like losing. His testy answers and smugness with the media suggest he doesn’t like a big media market.
If we get Howard, great.. let’s roll with Deron and Dwight.,
If we don’t get Howard, we are better off as an organization rebuilding with players who want to be here.
I want players who play all-out and hate losing. That isn’t Deron. A true superstar wouldnt let his team stink.. If we had a warrior like Rose, we would still lose a lot.. but would have the competitive fire needed
when he comes to that time and thats the decision do it get a player and nice pick have 3 first then decent player and cap space
as long as we win some freaking games
More MarShon Please
Deron belongs in Indiana, Utah, OKC, Memphis, or Tornto.. not in NY, Chicago, LA, Miami
Some players arent cut out for major markets.
I think we can say now
The Nets gave us less to get Deron, but got the lesser player. Melo is destroying it right now, on both ends.
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well we were never in it with Melo
so it doesn’t matter, unlike dwight where most analysts point to the Brooklyn Nets as his #1 Choice
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He's talking more to the point
in comparing/contrasting the D-Will & Melo trades.
We gave up less value to attain Deron; however, we got a lesser player.
Thus, indicating Melo >>> Dwill (at least so far)
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
yea but they don't play the same position
and are on two totally different teams, imagine deron on NY, or melo here…it would be much different
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melo here would average 28-32 points a night
no doubt.
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
thats because he is excellent at creating his own shot
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exactly
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Melo has been playing better, yes
but IMO he’s still not a good player to build a team around, he neutralizes too many of his teammates’ effectiveness. not to say Deron is doing any better, but…
by sheepareevil on Jan 12, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
this team can't contend for a tile either...
D-Will
Morrow
James
Hump
Howard
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ehh
i would like to see
Deron
Brooks
Stevenson/ Kirilenko if he comes back next year
Love
Howard
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i would like to see
CP3
Kobe
LeBron
LMA
Howard
with Durant coming off the bench
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
where is petro?
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on the french national team
he was banned from the nba by david stern because he made everyone look horrible.
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
that's unrealistic
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
dwights averaging 5 more its and 4 more rbs then hump this year
don’t think dwight could make this a winning team either
More MarShon Please
That's a valid point
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true
but still doesn’t make use that great
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by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Also Morrow would be open ALL the time
And when DWill/MarShon drive to the basket they dnt get swarmed by the defense of they do it’s a easy jam for Dwight
yeah it would be huge
but certainly not championship contenders
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
who says we still have marshon
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
yeah doubt we still keep swag
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
That;s not exactly true
if you watch the Magic vs Hawks series last year, Hawks game plan was to make sure only Howard beat you and NOT there shooters. Exploited is what I call that
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That's the Hawks
Hawks are a top defensive team. If we have Dwight and Deron we have to be above .500
you would think but can't assume
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by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Hawks is a good defensive team when they play us
well apparently everyone is
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LMAO, I couldn't believe what I was seeing
Brewer looked like MJ last night only missing one shot and dropping like 18 on us.
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That's valid as well
but we still won’t contend for nothing but the 2nd round.
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must factor in Dwight's D
along with how he gets double teamed opening up shots for others
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by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but lopez got double teamed as well he just didn't pass it out that well haha
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by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just saying having a solid center changes everything we beat boston last year with lopez and deron
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by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
but it also doesn't make a contender
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by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Huh?
We may not be a championship team with just Dwight, Dwill and filler but we would be a winning team.
Dwights presence makes everyone around him better- EVERYONE
D Will in 2011...BK in 2012....
I'm just saying even if we end up with dwight don't automatically think this teams a contender or even a good playoff team
esepically if we give up a lot for him
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
U get Dwight and worry about the rest
U start with Dwight and hopefully the ‘real’ Dwill and u build around it.
If they trade for Dwight u r right we will have lots of holes.
If we get him thru FA then we are in fantastic shape.
D Will in 2011...BK in 2012....
wishful thinking for FA though wish it was that easy
More MarShon Please
by kory raymond on Jan 12, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Whatever happens I still love my Nets.
It’s tough to watch, but I still watch the games. My gf ask me why don’t I like the knicks instead since they are a better team. I told her “Do you see me all over your friends who are hotter than you?” She walked away….
by sara.wong1 on Jan 12, 2012 1:55 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
lol wow...
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
The Most Interesting Man In The World---->Mikhail Prokhorov!!!
by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 12, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
the knicks are the hotter girl?
maybe now but the nets are bout to hit puberty and whoever was the nicest to them will get the best benefits
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Adam Morrison got his team multiple championships barely trying, if that's not a great player...I don't know who is.
by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Nets have been the ugly sister all along
Brooklyn move is suppose to be a make over
Dwight or Bust
Nets lose 33+ games this season.
Follow @Meer2Fly16
One of the BEST game a duo ever had
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3v4GS9t8o8&feature=related
You, Sir, are either very brave or very stupid.
DWill oop to D12
Otis Smith makes Travis Outlaw look like Avery Johnson
I salute you
DWill oop to D12
Otis Smith makes Travis Outlaw look like Avery Johnson
by 3ptChucker on Jan 12, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I tell you what:.......... Nets Fans are a very, very, very passionate group...
And I love it!! It should be no other way….
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
The Most Interesting Man In The World---->Mikhail Prokhorov!!!
Greatest nets of all time in no particular order:
Travis Outlaw
Yinka Dare
Benoit Benjamin
Stephen Graham
Ed Obannon
Zoran Planinic
Antoine Wright
Marcus Williams
Johan Petro
Yi Jianlian
Trenton Hassell
Hassan Adams
Evan Eschmeyer
David Benoit
Khalid Reeves
Robert Pack
and last but not least SWAT
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jan 12, 2012 2:00 PM EST reply actions
Jabari Smith
Quinton Ross, Jerome Moiso,
Dwight or Bust
Nets lose 33+ games this season.
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One of the BEST game a duo ever had
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3v4GS9t8o8&feature=related
That list right there is........
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
The Most Interesting Man In The World---->Mikhail Prokhorov!!!
by Kidd2Petrovic on Jan 12, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
I liked Hassam Adams...
wonder what happened to him.
Marcus Williams played well those three games prior to Devin Harris arrival.
for the right of watching tv broadcasted nets games...
also look at some other teams this year
minny is 3-7 with love rubio beasley
HOU 3-7
MEM 3-7
GSW 3-6
NOH 3-7
BOS is only 4-6
More MarShon Please
We don't lose by a lot anymore
Dwight or Bust
Nets lose 33+ games this season.
Follow @Meer2Fly16
One of the BEST game a duo ever had
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3v4GS9t8o8&feature=related
OMG
the league as a whole is only playing .500 ball!!!
"Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa." -- Casey Stengel
by calling all toasters on Jan 12, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
LMAOOOOO
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Adam Morrison got his team multiple championships barely trying, if that's not a great player...I don't know who is.
by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
taking into account pt differential and schedule
the Nets are in 29th placew! Woo-hoo! Movin’ up on the Bobcats for 28th, tho!
Imagine where we’d be without our superstar!!!
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012.html
"Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa." -- Casey Stengel
by calling all toasters on Jan 12, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
One spot lower?
Dear God we are blessed
Dwight or Bust
Nets lose 33+ games this season.
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One of the BEST game a duo ever had
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3v4GS9t8o8&feature=related
well
we DO have a superstar…
"Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa." -- Casey Stengel
by calling all toasters on Jan 12, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
And he's struggling
Dam Petro, stop struggling!!!!
Dwight or Bust
Nets lose 33+ games this season.
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One of the BEST game a duo ever had
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3v4GS9t8o8&feature=related
Shouldnt People be saying
that Bynum is motivating Kobe.
Brown seems to want Bynum to be more involved. Maybe that has woken Kobe.
SMH!!!!!
LOL
Dwight or Bust
Nets lose 33+ games this season.
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One of the BEST game a duo ever had
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3v4GS9t8o8&feature=related
Right.
I’m sure Dwight will be thrilled with having Kobe take 30+ shots every game. If you saw the game yesterday, some of the shots Kobe forced up in overtime were downright terrible. Thankfully (for him), he was bailed out by the Bynum tip in. Kobe might be a great player, but he’s a pretty bad teammate for a big who needs MORE touches, not LESS (Dwight’s case).
Better than D-Willz committing 5+ TO and missing 10+ shots.
Dwight or Bust
Nets lose 33+ games this season.
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One of the BEST game a duo ever had
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3v4GS9t8o8&feature=related
Using unmotivated Deron who is going through the motions?
Or using his significantly LARGER Utah sample size?
you are becoming my favorite poster on here
LOL
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Adam Morrison got his team multiple championships barely trying, if that's not a great player...I don't know who is.
by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
How does Pucher have a job seriously?
I really want to know. What does he contribute to ESPN besides a golden tan?
by Clayton Balch on Jan 12, 2012 2:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I'm noticing a trend
Shameer hasn’t been as negative lately. Result? The posters go insane and the board leader gets a warning from Zordon himself (ND). He tipping the scales of balance
LOL
Usually I’m one of the few punching bags here. My pessimistic and negative attitude sometime leads to good debates, AND 50 vs 1. 50 being the optimistic people and 1 being me lol. When everyone is Optimistic, there is no one for them to kick :-)
Dwight or Bust
Nets lose 33+ games this season.
Follow @Meer2Fly16
One of the BEST game a duo ever had
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3v4GS9t8o8&feature=related
As awful as Deron has been for us.
You can’t discredit his Utah days, where he was genuinely a top 3 PG and a top 10 talent. He always stepped up his game in the playoffs too, averaging 21/10. Yes, he had a good supporting cast in Utah and a great coach, but the point is that when he is used right (and motivated), he’s a top player. His attitude has always been terrible though, and we’re seeing that first hand now. He has mentally checked out on this season, has shown terrible leadership, and doesn’t try hard enough individually.
here's hoping that's still true
but his game has clearly gone to hell so far this season, in a way that rarely happens to superstars. He’s playing like he’s injured, but there’s no injury report. So what is going on with him?
"Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa." -- Casey Stengel
by calling all toasters on Jan 12, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
He's playing disinterested.
He turns over the ball and doesn’t even care. My only real concern about his game is his shot, but last night it looked pretty good and it was fine in Turkey too.
Farmar Out, Decent Small Forward In?
So Farmar is playing well. Great. Can’t we move him for a serviceable small forward??
Hasn’t anyone’s starting point guard gone down yet? Didn’t OKC’s backup point guard go down? With Deron playing major minutes, and Gaines playing OK, we just down’t need Farmar. We can’t continue to start MarShon AND Morrow. It is just crazy. Billy King screwed up by expecting DJames to play. He’ll be out for how long? He has no offensive game anyway. AND if THE HUMPH could hit any of his open looks, he’d be averaging 20 points a game. He can’t hit layups and short jumpers. I love the guys effort, but he just stinks.
I am very frustrated right now. I need a nap.
Paul from Sunny Delray Beach, Florida
AND if THE HUMPH could hit any of his open looks, he’d be averaging 20 points a game. He can’t hit layups and short jumpers. I love the guys effort, but he just stinks.
Hump was 5-6 FG, 2-2 FT last night. He was 4-7FG, 5-6FT against ATL. Aside from the MIA game, he rarely takes enough shots to even get to 20 points a game.
.....
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Adam Morrison got his team multiple championships barely trying, if that's not a great player...I don't know who is.
by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Deron williams is our hope for dwight
Period!!!
by netsfanallday on Jan 12, 2012 3:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
WOW Horford
SpearsNBAYahoo Hawks center Al Horford expected to be out 3-4 months with torn left pectoral muscle, source tells Yahoo! Sports.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Damn
We would have beaten Atlanta if Horford wasn’t money with his jumper.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 12, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Farmar and Petro for Kirk Hinrich and one of Atlanta's firsts
makes a lot of sense for both teams; Nets would have to probably call up a point from the d-league or sign someone for cheap until Hinrich returns. Maybe JamesOn Curry
We'll Be Fine.
by JerseysFinest. on Jan 12, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
better yet
sign Fesenko to replace Petro. Done.
We'll Be Fine.
by JerseysFinest. on Jan 12, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
and Ike Diogu
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 12, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
Survival of the fittest this year in the NBA...
Too many games being played without enough time to rest.
We have to be careful playing our guys too many minutes, especially D-Will, Hump and Brooks.
just our luck
horford goes down for the season
…but not before we played them 3 times!
"Beware the Ides of March."
Kwame Brown
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Warriors announce that tear in chest/shoulder area will force Kwame Brown to have surgery that will sideline him for at least three months.
J-Kidd to D-Will
Nets Uni
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Adam Morrison got his team multiple championships barely trying, if that's not a great player...I don't know who is.
by YoungMoney24 on Jan 12, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
And the short crammed season/no training camp injuries begin to mount!!!!!
Section15 Row 12 Seats 1&2
by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jan 12, 2012 3:43 PM EST reply actions
The NBA
The National Bruised Association
I predict that the most unlikely team will win the Championship this year.
by SIC One on Jan 12, 2012 3:44 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
most unlikely??? u mean nets or wizards????
Section15 Row 12 Seats 1&2
by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jan 12, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
PHI, IND, ORL
Has to be healthy
Has to be on top of their game
Has to be playing team without 2 or more of their top tier guys.
Then I see it happen but that championship would be really tainted if this abnormal schedule didn’t taint it enough already
Thunder have been my pic from the start
by Anthony Perez on Jan 12, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
I prefer the Thunder win
than any other team
Nets Mets Giants All day Every day.
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Haven't seen the Sixers playing much
I think one power ranking actually had them #1 this week… as for right now with this limited sample, are they playing that good? I’m talking about the quality of the play beyond just Ws and Ls.
i was just looking at jordan farnars profile pic
those ears are serious! i thought he was gonna start to fly out of the picture with those things if i kept looking any longer. those are def some serious dumbo ears..
Here's my question for Net Income. He doesn't agree with the Nets strategy
But does he think they’ll pull it off?
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