Debunking the DDD Mavs Myth
I wanted to examine the real possibility of Dwight Howard and Deron Williams joining Dirk Nowitzki and the Mavericks in 2012. To me, it made no sense at all, so I'll examine the numbers and obstacles. Some of this is in response to this article, which is a long read, is filled with flaws, but still interesting.
2012 Salary cap = $58,044,000
Rookie Minimum Salary Cap Hold = 490,180 (one hold for every player under 12)
Deron Williams 2012 max salary: 17,177,795
Dwight Howard 2012 max salary: 18,996,358
To my knowledge, this was part of the new CBA negotiations, to freeze the cap for 2 years at that number. Nowhere but in this article have I read a different figure. The entire premise of the article hinges on a cap figure of $62,000,000. I think the article is wrong, but I'm open to the idea that I might be wrong. It matters very little anyway, since the cap will be the same for both teams.
Deron Williams and Dwight Howard will opt out of their contracts, whether traded or not. If they're both on the Nets, then it's safe to say that they will both re-sign and get the extra, 5th year together, something no other team could offer. But for the sake of this argument, let's assume Dwight is not traded to LA, or Dallas, or NJ. That automatically takes the Lakers out since they cannot sign him.
NJ 2012 salary of core players: (via shamsports)
Deron Williams cap hold: 17,779,458
Brook Lopez cap hold: 7,692,458
MarShon Brooks: 1,160,040
Total: 26,631,956
Now assuming all other cap holds renounced (except Deron and Brook), all player options are tendered, and team options are declined, that leaves:
Jordan Farmar: 4,000,000
Anthony Morrow: 4,000,000
Johan Petro: 3,500,000
Shawne Wiliams: 3,135,000
Jordan Williams: 762,195
*note that I did not include the Nets' 2012 pick, that could easily be moved taking back no salary, or packaged with one of the smaller contracts in a salary dump.
Minumum cap hold x4: 1,960,720
Total: 17,357,915
Total + core = 43,989,871
Total Cap room = 14,054,129
The Max salary for Dwight Howard is in the 19,000,000 range. Now that's assuming that both Farmar and Williams both opt in, and it's very plausible that they might not. All of the above players are on small 1 year deals, and can easily come off the bench for any team. Dumping any 1,2, or even 3 of those contracts is not out of the question, especially if the Nets hold onto their assets, they can package a contract or 2 that they want to dump with a draft pick or $3,000,000 cash.
Let's make a very safe assumption, that the Nets can trade their highly valuable 2012 pick (less salary) with Morrow (exp contract, very good 6th man on any team) and $3,000,000 cash for cap room, their cap space jumps up to 18,054,129. And how hard would it be to make that trade?
Dallas core 2012:
Dirk: 20,907,128
Haywood: Amnesty (3 yrs @ 9mil per, probably untradeable)
Marion: 8,396,634
Total: 29,303,492
Now, assuming that all non-guaranteed players are waived without a cap hit (the cap hit for most of them isn't confirmed) that leaves:
Dominique Jones: 1,276,560
Rodrigue Beaubois: 2,227,333
Odom buy-out: aprx 2,500,000
Minimum salary cap holds x8: 3,921,440
Total: 9,925,333
Total + core: 39,228,825
Room under salary cap = 18,815,175
Room under salary cap if Odom, Beaubois, and Jones are traded= 22,736,615
Now, that's assuming that anyone will take Odom's contract, and right now he's not playing like he's worth + $8,000,000 a year, AND that they could also dump Beaubois and Jones too.
And now for the big "what if":
(Salary cap) - (Dirk's salary) - (minimum roster cap hold x11) = 31,744,892 / 2 = 15,872,446
That's assuming a lot too. To me, it would be easier to trade Farmar, Petro, Shw Williams, or Morrow than it would be to trade Marion, who has 2yrs @ 9mil per year. That's right, some team will have to use 9mil in cap room for Marion's 8ppg, 40%FG, 15%3pt.
So, Deron and Dwight will opt out, and they'll be looking at 2 teams. This is what they will be looking at:
If they join the Nets:
Deron gets 5 yrs, 7% increases, starting at 17,177,795
Dwight gets 4 yrs, 5% increases, starting at 18,054,129 (at least)
Teammates: Lopez, Brooks, Farmar, Petro, Shw Williams, J Williams (and that's making only the very small assumption that the Nets trade Morrow, cash, and their pick for extra cap room, and that both Farmar and Shw Williams opt in)
vs joining the Mavs:
Deron gets 4 yrs, 5% increases, starting at 15,872,446
Dwight gets 4 yrs, 5% increases, starting at 15,872,446
Teammates: 34yr old Dirk and the D-League All-Stars (and that's only after making very large assumptions that everyone, including VC, Odom, Marion can ALL be traded for cap room, and Haywood is Amnestied)
That's the comparison. Everything would have to go against the Nets in terms of salary, and everything would have to go in favor of the Mavericks in terms of salary, and STILL the Nets are in EVERY WAY more appealing than the Mavs. The Nets' chances are even better if they can hold onto their pick, or Farmar or Williams opts out. If I'm wrong about any of this, please, fill me in and I'll crunch the numbers all over again.
So the next time someone mentions Deron and Dwight going to the Mavs through free agency, show them this and tell them to shut up and get real.
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true, but he becomes a RFA this summer
and since he becomes a RFA, he has a cap hold for his Bird Rights, which would be 250% of his previous salary.
Btw
Dirk is averaging
18.9 ppg (his lowest scoring average since his sophomore year)
and 5.4 rpg in 31 mpg.
And he will be 35 come playoff time during the first year of DWill’s & Dwight’s contracts should they take a paycut and sign there next summer.
in all fairness
I don’t think anyone on the Mavs is really trying. They know that management is ready to dump everyone at the end of the season, and this team is in no way a contender.
Great ost. 100% agree, I have made the math too, and If Dwight becomes a free agent the Nets are definitely the best option.
Besides everything you said the Nets have another advantage, we have Lopez and Brooks that are very young, so that will mean a run for the title for many many years. And Dirk we all know he’s the best PF in the league, but he’s old and at best he has only probably 2 more years at Superstar Level.
With the Nets Deron and Dwight can build a dinasty.
My only fear is Dallas is Deron’s home, and the Mavericks may be his team since kid.
But if Brooks continues evolving and becomes the player we are expecting we easily sign Dwight at the end of the year.
But I also think the Magic will trade Dwight at the deadline, I hope I’m wrong.
2012 Lineup: D-Will - Brooks - AK47 - Lopez - D12... Book it!
I think Dwight will be traded too
It just gets on my nerves reading posts or hearing analysts claim that Deron and Dwight going to Dallas as FAs is their best option. Not only will they not make it to free agency, but if they do, the Mavs still aren’t their best choice, when it comes to money OR talent around them
Well analysts have to make their money and fans always believe their team is the best option... remember Lebron?
Well the only way would be the Magic starting to play good basktball, and make the Magic’s front office believe they could make a run for the title this year… so let’s root for them, lol
2012 Lineup: D-Will - Brooks - AK47 - Lopez - D12... Book it!
This has been said like 50 million times before
but GM’s that get paid alot of money, always figure out a way to make it works if there is a chance of this happening.
Dwight or Bust
Nets lose 33+ games this season.
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One of the BEST game a duo ever had
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3v4GS9t8o8&feature=related
That's the thing
even if the Mavs can magically make it work, the Nets can still beat their offer hands down
by Murse Mike on Jan 11, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not disagreeing with you
Dwight or Bust
Nets lose 33+ games this season.
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One of the BEST game a duo ever had
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3v4GS9t8o8&feature=related
by Shameer1016 on Jan 11, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Here's the thing, the only way it works is if Dwight and Deron were willing to split about $31.5 mill.
And then play with 11 vet minimum players and one mini-mini-MLE player with no assets or contracts to ever make a trade again more or less.
by vincecarter4pres on Jan 12, 2012 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
We're not exactly in better shape either no matter how much you want to sugar coat our trash
Dwight or Bust
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One of the BEST game a duo ever had
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Nets crap> D-league All-stars, minimum salary players
The Nets’ reserves are all fringe rotation players, but also would be on very tradable contract, being small and expiring. That’s flexibility. It’s really hard to make trades when you have only max guys and minimum contracts.
Yes, teams are dying to trade players with value for flexability
might explain why we got such great returns for Kidd, Carter, and RJ.
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You never will lol
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by Shameer1016 on Jan 14, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Acutally, that is close to being the truth
Here are just a few examples from the top of my head over the last 2 seasons, that’s right, only 2 seasons
Odom to Dallas for a TPE and a highly protected 1st rounder
Chandler to Dallas for a TPE
Wallace to Portland for expiring contracts as 2 1st rounder
Jefferson to the Jazz for a TPE and 2 1st rounders
Beasly to the T-Wolves for a small TPE
Okur to the Nets for a TPE and a 2nd rounder
Randolf to the T-Wilves for an expiring contract and a pick
Fernandez and Brewer to the Nuggets for a TPE
So, you’re statement was quite accurate
Yes, teams are dying to trade players with value for flexability
Nice, a win is a win
Dwight or Bust
Nets lose 33+ games this season.
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Completely untrue, Shameer. What happened in Miami was incredible because this sort of stuff NEVER happens. GMs don’t magically find a way to make it happen. Ask the Knicks how that worked out for them the last 10 years. This stuff rarely happens because it’s nearly impossible to pull off.
Nearly impossible, but still possible
and your right, I might have said the wrong words there
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Draft pick
WIth the way we’re playing, we could be getting a very high draft pick in a VERY good draft. I see that as our best asset. I really don’t see how trading that away would be beneficial if we’re not trading it for Dwight.
Wait so you want to trade away or top pick and Morrow
Why in the world would we do that. If anything we’d use it to get rid of Petro and Shawne Williams. I think Farmar is gonna opt out, he’s playing well and I think he’s sick of Avery. I can see him getting a 3yr/9mil deal from someone.
The problem then becomes Petro and Shawne. If we can dump them for nothing and not pickup the option on James and Farmar opts out we can sign Dwight.
That leaves us with
D-Will
Brooks/Morrow
2012 1st (unless we traded it with Petro and Williams)
Lopez
Dwight
and the mid level for over the cap teams. I’d at that point try to use Lopez in a 2 for 1. David Lee/Dorrell Wright or Josh Smith/Marvin Williams or Blache/Young something to fill out our roster better
I love this lineup
D-Will
Brooks/Morrow
Wright
D. Lee
Dwight
We be killers.
I was trying to go the course of worst case scenario
minimizing the Nets’ cap space. I wouldn’t trade that 2012 pick to save a measly 1-3mil in cap space.
That pick has a lot of value, Morrow has positive value, cash has positive value, so I used that as an example as to how easy it would be to clear extra cap room if needed, but of course there are many other ways too.
I was really trying to lay all doubters to rest. For everyone who thinks that the Nets have too much salary, and are stuck will all the salaries of Petro, Shw Williams, Farmar, and Morrow and that those contracts are a real problem. Well, they’re not.
Is there any doubter out there that will deny that the Nets can find a trade partner, willing to use cap space to absorb the most valuable of those contracts, with a very valuable pick, and 3/4 of the money to pay said player?
And would it be easier for the Nets, using their valuable pick that the Mavs don’t have, to shed a single one of those 4 contracts, all 1 yr deals, all for $4mil or less, all serviceable bench players, or for the Mavs to clear all the contracts of Marion, Haywood, Beaubois, Jones, Carter, and Odom?
Good Idea but
I think that if we did what you want to do, I would take J-Smoove and Marvin Williams, just because it would make dwight like this team even more, being with his freinds Deron and Josh
It's funny how we think we can throw Brook + crap and expect to get Dwight
by The Cole Train on Jan 12, 2012 10:42 AM EST reply actions
How is
Brook Lopez, MarShon Brooks, a lottery pick in a stacked 2012 draft, Anthony Morrow, and the ability to wipe all the bad contracts off of Orlando’s books crap?
Why did you even bother to make a comment? It’s obvious that you didn’t read my post b/c I addressed Dwight Howard in free agency and NOT in a trade.
remember the decision??
the miami heat’s big three took a salary discount around $2m/yr.. and btw, they can trade marion for a trade exception.. so dwill+howard+dirk+$7m player+ mle is better than what the nets will have.. the nets only advantage is if both dwill&howard wants the glamour of NY
by letsgolal on Jan 12, 2012 12:28 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
only advantage!?!?
How about Lopez and Brooks?
And the Mavs won’t have 7M player + mle, forget it!
2012 Lineup: D-Will - Brooks - AK47 - Lopez - D12... Book it!
You didn't follow the math well enough
Even if Dallas can trade Marion, who is on a total crap contract and playing like crap too, then the Mavs are still way short of offering max contracts to both in the area of 3 mil each. So they’d have to get rid of Marion and everyone else on the roster to even make an offer to both Deron and Dwight that wasn’t totally laughable. Sorry to say, you’re completely wrong.
It wouldn’t be:
dwill+howard+dirk+$7m player+ mleIt would be
4yrs – D-Will+D12+ + a 34 yr old Dirk+ MLE
vs
5 yrs – D-Will+D12+ a 24yr old Brook Lopez+ 23 yr old MarShon Brooks+ lottery pick in 2012 draft+ MLE+ getting paid max contracts
You’re either deliberately leaving out attractive assets the Nets while also completely disregarding all the crap contracts that Dallas has, or you didn’t both to read my post. You should probably read what you’re trying to refute next time…
Brook Lopez's Cap Hold
would be only 4.2 million dollars. Looked it up on a couple of sites.
I think that you confused cap hold with qualifying offer
without a contract extension in place, and by holding onto his Bird Rights (and RFA matching privileges) the cap hold is 250% of his previous salary since he’d be coming off of his rookie contract. For a player like D-Will and Howard, who are coming off of max deals, the cap hold is 105% of his previous year’s salary.

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