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Prove Me Wrong - Bynum's Value

I have been a proud visitor of Netsdaily for many years, though unfortunately, I think I made my biggest posting impact in what can now be considered my infamous "Fire Billy King" post. At the time, my post was more meant to identify the fact that, in my opinion, Billy King has an "all or nothing" mentality and that he is going full speed ahead at getting Dwight Howard. At this point in time, he is really not making any sort of back up plan. He's basically going big or going home, and while some can admire him for that, I said that he should be fired IF we fail to get Dwight and if D-Will walks.

This post is not about Billy King, so I digress, but the point I am trying to make is that my post was met with a ton of opposition. Many Netsdaily fans rushed to Billy's aid and said I was nuts to suggest firing him. Some Netsdaily fans even did the unthinkable and call me a Knicks fan, though I realize that when people get upset that they sometimes say things they don't mean :)

Anyway, the opposition my post received from the Netsdaily community really forced me to re-examine my thought process and admit to myself that, in many ways, Billy King has done a good job. I was fortunate enough to go to the Heat game on Saturday, and, despite the loss, I thought the young Nets team was exciting the watch. While I still think the jury is out on Billy King, all of your posts truly made me shift my perspective a little and think a lot about whether or not I am missing something as a fan.

In the same way, I would like to start an educated and objective conversation on Andrew Bynum and his trade value. Anyone who has read any of my overly sarcastic comments about Andrew Bynum in the past realizes that I do not think very highly of the guy. However, I genuinely cannot fathom how anyone can think highly of him, and here's why.

Andrew Bynum has been one big career injury. Yes, he is a large guy with a lot of potential. We have seen a lot of that potential this season. But I feel that in a league filled with Greg Oden's and Yao Ming's, potential will only get you so far. Perhaps my mindset is the biggest reason why I do not like Andrew Bynum. I played two sports in college and I could not fathom ever wanting or needing to sit out due to an "injury." Granted, I am not seven feet tall and I never will be, though I really cannot understand how someone can be paid the millions of dollars that Bynum is making and feel the need to sit on the bench rather than play. There is a difference between physical and mental toughness and while I don't mean to be too hard on the guy, I think perhaps a lot of the reason why he does not play may be because he does not have the heart, desire, or physical and mental toughness required to make it in the NBA. There are guys who go out there and play with all sorts of injuries. There are guys who go out there and play even when it isn't smart. Then there are guys like Andrew Bynum who seem to sit if the wind blows too hard. I feel that he is more hype that production, more potential than ability, and that his incessant state of being injured is the biggest reason why his value as a player is not as high as perhaps it should be.

It really irritates me when Bynum's name is thrown around as a straight up trade potential for Dwight Howard - or when Bynum's name was also thrown out there for Carmelo Anthony. I do not consider Bynum to be even half the player that either of those guys are, so for him to be considered a potential one for one trade asset is absolutely ridiculous. I realize that when trading superstars, deals are rarely fair, but I think a trade of Andrew Bynum for someone like Dwight Howard would be absolute highway robbery.

Maybe it's because I'm a Nets fan, but I would much rather have Brook Lopez as my center than Andrew Bynum, especially if I was Orlando. Despite this fluke foot issue that Lopez is currently undergoing, he is a durable center with a lot of potential. He does not sit when he has a hang nail or when he has the sniffles. Say what you want about Lopez being soft, but the guy goes out and plays hard - every single night. Bynum has the ability to dominate Lopez and be a much better player someday, but I am not confident in Bynum's desire or mental toughness. I feel that the guy is lazy and does not play at the drop of a hat. With Lopez, you would get a dedicated center who plays. With Bynum there are a lot of unknowns. Very much like the Nets trading for D-Will with no assurance of the future, trading for Bynum is an even bigger risk.

Bynum may man up and blossom into one of the best centers - if not the best center - in the league someday. Or, he can go the way of Greg Oden and be a ton of potential but never get off the injured reserve. Orlando could also potentially have to worry about Bynum leaving them for another team. With Lopez, they would have a durable, future all-star center who would LOVE living in Disney and playing alongside his best friend Ryan Anderson. I am confident when I think that playing in Orlando would be a dream come true for Lopez, which is a lot more than I can say for Andrew Bynum. Again, the choice is yours, Orlando, but if you end up trading for Bynum and he pulls the same BS where he's hurt all of the time, I will laugh. You get what you pay for and, in my opinion, the oft-injured - J.J. Barea flagrant fouling - Andrew Bynum is certainly not worth the risk.



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To suggest his injuries were exaggerated

is incredibly foolish. He blew out his knee multiple time. I don’t care how many sports you played whenever, you can’t play on a knee with torn ligaments. At this point in the season his numbers in the ppg and reb categories are right on par with Dwight. I’m hoping LAL values him so much that they’d refuse to trade him straight up for Dwight. Would I rather have Brook? Yes, but not so definitively any more.

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by NJ4Life on Jan 11, 2012 12:02 AM EST reply actions  

haha

bynum’s injury are due to 2 unlucky incident, one kobe banging into his knees.. dont overstate bynum’s injury by comparing it to yao and oden. when yao and oden tried to play, you can see it slow them down.. but when bynum return’s to an injury, he doesnt seem to be affected more so he improves. only a net fans think lopez>bynum.. haha

by letsgolal on Jan 11, 2012 4:54 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions   1 recs

Unlucky yes

That doesn’t however change the fact that two major knee surgeries had to be performed on his knee.

It just sucks how everyone has this poor view of Lopez after his poor rebounding season. Bynum gets to sit back and play with Kobe and Pau who completely take all the pressure off of him and also allow him to play 1 on 1. Lopez played last year with Harris and Hump as his two best teammates. I’ve seen him triple teamed at points of the game. Bynum is a very good talent and absolutely has a ton of value but to say he’s light years ahead of Lopez is just pure LA homerism at it’s best.

Lopez finally has D-Will to play with and he goes down just as Bynum is playing well it’s just pure bad luck on Lopez’s part since he can’t benefit from finally playing with another all star. After the D-Will trade Lopez was averaging something crazy like 24/12. It looks like he was energized for the first time in a long time and his numbers reflected that. No reason he can’t put up 20/10 for a full season he has that type of potential.

by Rockice_8 on Jan 11, 2012 8:40 AM EST up reply actions  

al jefferson(min)chris bosh(tor) david lee(ny) kevin love(min) brook lopez are samples that it is easier to score and pad on stats on a weak team and being the focal point, than being in a great team as 2nd or 3rd option. al and david lee has monster seasons, but are they considered great? look at bosh numbers go down from tor to mia..

by letsgolal on Jan 11, 2012 9:19 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

btw

i didnt say bynum is light years better than lopez.. bynum>lopez overall, lopez is a better offensive player but bynum is better definsively(way better) and has atlhleticism, for which we all know lopez dont have..

by letsgolal on Jan 11, 2012 9:29 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

He had knee surgery in high school as well.

He’s never played anywhere close to a full season, to say he’s injury prone is an understatement.

by vincecarter4pres on Jan 12, 2012 1:54 AM EST up reply actions  

How can you be so sure of this?
At this point in time, he is really not making any sort of back up plan.

I think it's fine.

by NetsMets4Life on Jan 11, 2012 7:04 AM EST reply actions  

Completely agree NetsMets4Life

Dwight or no Dwight how do you know King doesn’t have a backup plan. We can easily put together a solid winning squad next year with the pieces and cap space we have. Our back court appears to be set our starting C is locked up and we’ll have a top 5 pick and a ton of cap to build a squad. We could have easily done that this year with Nene and AK but we played it smart since an opportunity to land a once in a lifetime player in Dwight became a real possibility.

King has done a fantastic job so far. It’s not his fault we have been crushed by early season injuries.

by Rockice_8 on Jan 11, 2012 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll take this one

1) Lopez is hurt right now.. Bynum is not
2) The flagrant fouls were over the top.. but having a center with a streak of nastiness and toughgness isnt a bad thing… having the intimidator guarding the basket is important
3) As Letsgolal pointed out, Bynum’s injuries were fluke injuries… and Chris Mannix, whom many respect as a writer on Netsdaily, tweeted on Jan 4 that Bynum’s injury history is overstated
4) There is a reason Chris Webber called Bynum the best center in the game last night, and Anthony called him the best offensive big man. There is also a reason the Magic would rather have Bynum than Lopez

It is just hard to call Lopez durable when he is out with an injury. Sure. it may not recur and he had been healthy to this point.

by orangeeater on Jan 11, 2012 9:03 AM EST reply actions  

agree

hehe :)

by letsgolal on Jan 11, 2012 9:24 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Bynum has played an average of 51 games over the past 4 seasons

When a guy misses 31 freaking games a season over a four year period you are not overstating anything.

by Andres B on Jan 11, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

His injury history is understated.

This guy is a walking knee surgery.

There’s reality and facts, then there’s opinion and Laker fan delusion.

by vincecarter4pres on Jan 12, 2012 1:56 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

haha

so people outside new jersey are all delusional and only nets fan are sane.. almost everyone outside new jersey believes bynum is better than lopez even considering injury risk. hypothetically, if the bynum plus the nets lottery pick are offered to orlando, they will immediately do it.

by letsgolal on Jan 12, 2012 4:51 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Boy you spun that one fast.

Hmm, let’s see, I was talking about nothing but his injury history and proneness and you take it and do the 100 yard dash with it.

Fact is, Bynum is ALWAYS injured. Fact.

I was not talking about anything else then his injuries. Pretty blatantly obviously obvious.

by vincecarter4pres on Jan 12, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm sorry, but saying lopez is more valuable than bynum is clear nets-fan homerism.

i don’t think anyone is arguing at this point that lopez is better than bynum when both are healthy. i think at this point it’s clear that bynum is far superior on defense and as a rebounder, and he is also playing close to as well as lopez does on offense.

i don’t think bynum’s attitude should hinder his trade value at all. an nba center needs a nasty streak to defend his paint against invasion, and one lapse in judgment does not a demarcus cousins make.

so the one advantage brook could feasibly have over bynum is the injury card. at this point, though, we can’t play that card either. you compare bynum’s injuries to yao ming. however, this is totally wrong. bynum had a couple of freak knee injuries, but even so, he may always be injury-prone. but lopez now has a foot problem, THE SAME PROBLEM THAT KNOCKED YAO OUT OF THE LEAGUE. his injury is much more likely to recur.

so at this point, i hate to rain on your parade, but bynum’s trade value is far higher than that of lopez.

by mbspam17 on Jan 12, 2012 5:45 PM EST reply actions  

Actually, he doesn't have the same problem that knocked Yao out of the league.

That’s a lie.

An out and out lie and made up.

Do your research before making ridiculous claims which are the exact opposite of truth.

Sports propaganda at it’s finest…

by vincecarter4pres on Jan 12, 2012 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I call it like I see it

As a Nets fan, I have a soft spot for most Nets players, so of course I am going to be more inclined to value Lopez over Bynum. But as you mentioned in your post, no one on this board (or myself) seems to be arguing that Lopez is a better player than Bynum. Nevertheless, my original comments still stand. As much of a beast as Bynum can be – as much potential as he has – the guy has been a career injury so far. I’m curious if he’s sat or played more games in his NBA career. Only time will tell how his story turns out. Maybe he will turn around and become the best center in the league. Maybe not. I am of the opinion that his injuries will continue and he will never reach the consistent potential that many have been raving about. You can call his injuries “flukes” or “unlucky”, but until he shows some consistency, I am going to continue thinking he doesn’t have the desire or mental toughness to succeed in this league. Yes, Lopez may be injured now, but the guy is consistently dedicated, has all-star potential, and has proven to be one of the most serviceable centers in the league. I would much rather have a predictable and loyal Brook Lopez than an injury riddled Andrew Bynum.

by KFM FITNESS on Jan 13, 2012 8:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Billy King

And everyone on this board who posted how we don’t know that Billy King doesn’t have a back up plan really makes a good point. I admit that I did not think of it like that. For all we knew, it was Carmelo Anthony or bust, and then a day later we end up with D-Will. So I concede that many of you are right. All we can really do is be patient….but sadly that is a virtue that I do not have!!!

by KFM FITNESS on Jan 13, 2012 8:23 AM EST reply actions  

the way I look at it

Kobe has been hot lately but Pau and Bynum ain’t getting the ball. Will Dwight get the ball with kobe tryin to score 30+ per nite?

by DJ HeavyDuty on Jan 13, 2012 9:19 AM EST reply actions  

I completely agree

Dwight has a unique opportunity to come to NJ/Brooklyn and create his OWN legacy. Yes, D-Will is here, but he seems to take on more of a quiet leadership role. Dwight will always be in Kobe’s shadow in LA…at least he will be for a long while until Kobe retires.

by KFM FITNESS on Jan 13, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Through 9 games and he's never healthy.

Oh and notice that once he’s become the 2nd option, with one of the deadliest first options and 3rd options in the game surrounding him none the less, he’s become a lot less efficient in all categories on offense.

Wait til he’s a first option somewhere, cause chances are he’ll eventually be traded for a star even if it’s not Dwight. His efficiency is going to plummet. Drop like a rock. It’ll stay about average, but this is what I warned over and over again with everyone who gushes over him when healthy.

He is not good enough, his offensive game not diverse enough, his basics like footwork and post moves SEVERELY overrated and not good enough and his passing, court vision and just willingness to pass so awful that he will never remain anything more then a touch above average efficiency wise AT BEST in a lead role.

Bynum is a very good player and has measures and strength you can’t teach, but he’s not what people want him to be and dream he is going to be once given the chance and this is ignoring his injury prone history.

He has benefited from his limited role and success in that role along with glimpses of dominance here and there that has created this allure and mystique that hovers around him like a cloud and influences fans and observants both casual and die hard.

Right now he’s getting love as the 2nd best big man and absurdly the best from certain media clowns. Give it awhile, he’ll be the “What happened to that guy? How was I wrong?”, flavor of the week in a couple months.

Very good player, just not that good.

by vincecarter4pres on Jan 14, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

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