The Net Who Changed Basketball
by Net Income on Sep 6, 2011 8:52 AM EDT
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A few years ago, a hoops writer joked that Julius Erving in the NBA is the most overrated player of all time and Julius Erving in the ABA the most underrated.
Fran Blinebury of NBA.com doesn't go that far, but writes this weekend that Dr. J's time as a Net changed basketball.
"Doc was the first guy to fly, he did things with a basketball nobody else had ever done," said Kevin Loughery, who coached Erving in the ABA with the New York Nets. "I honestly believe that Doc did more for basketball than anybody, on and off the court."
The NBA also posted a highlight package from years ago where Dr. J describes his time with the Nets as "getting a glimpse of the game in the 90's in the 70's so our game was probably a little ahead of its time."
- From above the rim, Dr. J transformed the game - Fran Blinebury - NBA.com
- Julius Erving Highlights (Video) - NBA.com
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If even for just 1 or 2 games a year
I would love to see that uniform make a comeback.
Brook-Brooks-Brookyln
LET'S DO THIS!
by OneCGuy on Sep 6, 2011 9:02 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I would like to see Long Island native Julius Erving on Opening Night 2012
by Net Income on Sep 6, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Absolutely
The Nets should definitely strengthen their ties to their greatest player ever. I had the pleasure of watching the good doctor play many times, including a game at the Garden when he was still on the Squires. It is a shame that most people remember him as a fading star on those Sixers teams that were just slightly worse than their legendary Laker and Celtic counterparts. He makes my all-time favorite team with Magic, MJ, Duncan and Wilt.
82-0
by jabez on Sep 6, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was at 2 games this past year...
…and didn’t understand why they have Magic Johnson (who is NOT/was never a NET) on the big screen prompting people to make noise, I’m sure Dr J would would do it, and that would make more sense. That really aggravated me, nothing personal against Magic, but again, he was never a NET!
Don’t they use the same video/graphics in all the arenas? the 3 diff teams I visit often all play the same stuff at least.
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
didn't know that,
just seems odd that Magic is telling Net fans to make Noise.
Well you dont actually think Will Ferrell and Jack black are Nets fans do you?
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
It should be the uniforms ALL of the time
by Arbourisgod on Sep 6, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
NI, do you think Sheridan's article has any credibility?
Do you believe the sides are really closer to a deal than what is led on and the season will start on time, as Sheridan believes?
Or are you skeptical like everyone else?
I want to believe him…just don’t know what to believe…
lol
ESPN should add Simmons as well
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Sep 6, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's amazing
ESPN finally gets some cred for firing someone who had none.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Sounds like someone we know ? (LOL)
Chris Sheridan quote from above post…
I know this because I talk regularly with a bunch of important people who tell me important things…
Oh and one more thing
He’s also the reason I am a Nets fan,
When I was a little kid he was my idol, I even wore his sneakers from elementary school all the way thru high school, the high white leather cons with the red star on the side.
by Dobermite on Sep 6, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh and speaking of those leather cons
We used to have a saying back in the day …
“DON’T GET THE ONES THAT SLIP & SLIDE — GET THE ONES WITH THE STAR ON THE SIDE”
by Dobermite on Sep 6, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You might especially enjoy this one Dobermite...
by M I K E on Sep 6, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
definitely remember buying my first pair of basketball shoes
and i remember why i chose converse
by Chakroot on Sep 6, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
AWESOME PICS but...
looks like in 1974 (when the Nuggets were wearing Laker-type uniforms) Mr. Converse was actually rocking Adidas!
Opulence, I has it.
Amazing Dr. "J" stat...
In his NBA career Erving Shot 1.000 from 3pt range.
He only took (1) 3pt shot in his NBA career, in his last season, and hit it…
In the ABA he only took 2 three pointers…
You can debate all you want on how good he really was in comparison to the NBA all time greats, but he is a iconic, legendary and revolutionary player and there are very few of those around.
Erving and Ali both had that special quality which is very hard to describe but when you see it, you know it, and there is no and’s, if’s or but’s about it…
I consider myself very fortunate to have seen him play…
Funny little item I found when reading Slam's top 500 NBA players ever...
459. Kerry Kittles
460. Kendall Gill
461. Devin Harris
http://www.interbasket.net/news/7683/2011/04/top-500-nba-players-of-all-time-slam/
whats the benefit to the Nets having a season??
They will be forced to overspend just to fill in some spots. SF and PF.
If there is no amnesty clause we are screwed.
If they don’t make the playoffs Deron prob leaves.
1 more season in Newark.
I see a much brighter side if the season is canceled for the Nets.
by power_njerz on Sep 6, 2011 10:36 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
think about the sadness of a starving Marshon Brooks
or perhaps a bored OneCGuy?
Brook-Brooks-Brookyln
LET'S DO THIS!
Scared thinking...but I think I understand your logic.
The most important item on your list of so called benefits if the season is canceled is Deron Williams staying or leaving.
I would rather have Deron play a whole season with us, then let him decide if he wants to stay or leave.
If the season is canceled we will then have to hope he decides to pick up his option for 2012-2013. Knowing Deron, who knows, maybe he doesn’t take the option and becomes a free agent next year.
You sound like a guy who doesn’t want to date a girl right now, because your not confident enough, but next year you will feel ready. The problem with that kind of thinking is she might be gone by then.
Ian Eagle has told people
that losing the season would be the worst possible thing for the Nets in their pursuit of D-Will.
why is that.
There’s not many teams out there that can make a tarde for D WILL or sign him as a free agent. The only team i can think off is Houstons but they going to rebuilding mode. Therefore let him go check his options, he said he’s going to opt out anyway.
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Sep 6, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think anybody really knows what will happen in the future...
Maybe canceling the season turns out great maybe it turns into a disaster, maybe it’s a little of both.
But there is something perverse about wanting to have the season canceled. It’s like deliberately deciding to dump the season from the start, thinking you will then get the #1 pick. Might make sense on paper, but it’s fundamentally a perverted way of doing business.
well both side's NBPA and Owners still far apart.
Lost season will play out better for Nets in many ways ,like keeping our lottory picks and cap buster contract. I think D WILL is going to stay but i dont want to give up everything for D12 wich he will damend.
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Sep 6, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd give up everything except Deron for D12
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
D12 can be stoped
Last year ATL showed that couple decant center will do it, I’d rather have R LO or Marc Gasol playing next to B LO
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Sep 6, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
But who won
He had ball most of the time he should’ve had 30 with all those shot attempts. i get the point his best center etc but teams win games,
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Sep 6, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
i know and he let's everybody know about it.
for some reason i start feeling LBJ did it right way not talking about where he wants to be. Butt that national tv thing was killer.
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Sep 6, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you just say you would rather have Robin Lopez then DWIGHT HOWARD
the same Robin Lopez who Suns fans hate because his lack of aggressiveness on defense and on the boards? The same guy that regressed in year 3 from his rookie and sophmore campaigns? No thanks. I’ll take the best big guy in the game and a perennial all star over Robin.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Sep 6, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
yes i did
you forgeting to give him a credit for the trip to WCF, that boy is T.Chandler type ragit low post presance. Right now we soft, nobady but Hump p[lay’s tough and bang inside. Plus his young and still and his contract team friendly.
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Sep 6, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I want basketball
It’s too hypothetical to predict what would happen in a lost season. I want to see our rookie play, and I want to see us use our free agency money well.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Use are money on who? there are no real game changers out there. It boils down to Nene or Hump. Prince or Ak47.
Thats not enough to make me jones for a season.
Then you don't like basketball!
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
by eLonepb on Sep 6, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's like's dreaming about basketball...(so do I)
but the reality of having to actually play this season is scary to him…
Somehow he thinks the Nets are stupid enough to shoot themselves in the foot if given the chance. Maybe he’s right…(LOL)
He thinks we are going to blow our cap
and hinder our chances of getting Dwight, but ignores the fact that we can lose D-Will.
i dont ignor the fact D Will can be lost
At some point i welcome that if we can get Rivers or Westbrook
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Sep 6, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Younger with more upside
Russel is athletic beast, all satr 22 and leader just like D WILL
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Sep 6, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
He also does not have very good
Offensive awareness. I’ll take the proven superstar over the possible one. Thats like saying you would rather have Brook than Dwight.
well we havent seen all B LO
You know his story i just want to see if he can be an all star. But Russel is all star for next 10+ years i think youth will help in a long run
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Sep 6, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Russell is a good player
but he is almost like a Marbury or Francis type of player. Lots of flash but doesn’t have what it takes to win big games. A guy like Dwill is almost like the Jason Kidd of the early 2000’s. Not too flashy but makes the correct plays to win you a game and doesn’t do too much.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Sep 6, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
His an ALL STAR at age 22
D WILL wasnt all that at the beggining but he turned out top3 PG let’s see how Westbrook will devalope over next year. In addition he got leader skills wich make him very interesting player to watch and i’m going to say it again boy is Freakish athlete.
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Sep 6, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Deron makes teamates better
Same can be said for Chris Paul. (Top point guards)
They’re like Kidd & Nash running the team and scoring when needed.
I like Westbrook he is a freak athlete and has that bull mentality.
In the playoffs when Harden ran the club Wbrook looked comfortable attacking which is good.
He’s a combo guard while Deron is definitely a point gaurd.
When you have to shoot, shoot don't talk.
T Parker is scoring PG
But look how he devaloped under good coach AJ is a student of Pop’s and trust him with developeing players.
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Sep 6, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
We might also lose any chance of getting Howard by not playing this year...
There are too many variables involved in trying to determine what’s going to happen in the future.
Closing your eyes and hoping when you open them again, things will be better is understandable but a bit childish…
I am a basketball fan
I want to see basketball, period.
by nets14 on Sep 6, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i live, breath and die watching BBALL
but it aint simple with this new CBA to many New Owners came to the league in past couple years
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Sep 6, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
New owners don't have the clout that older owners have...
They have a pecking order in the NBA among owners.
I doubt most owners are even involved in negotiations. They get to vote but once Stern and a few influential owners decide what they should do, the other owners always vote with what they decide…
Most of the league loosing money
Let’s get this clear NFL didnt lose money at all unlike NBA. Owners made it clear they want fair share, but players want to keep it the way it was let’s see what’s going to happen only time can tell at this point, i’m not going to guess how they going to get it done.
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Sep 6, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
What does he base that on? Deron from what I gather sees his future here with this team. He has given no indication otherwise.
Nene alone will prevent of re-signing Lopez.
I’ll be honest ;ooseing B LO will break my heart in anycase even if will get D12. And Austin Rivers is impresing me more and more, would love to see him in a Net Uni.
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Sep 6, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
that's the problem
with uncertanty with CBA this hall thing is cloudy
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Sep 6, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
because the Nets won't have time
to impress D-Will…that’s why. And he is right.
To suggest the Nets will benefit from a lost season is ludicrous. NO ONE will benefit.
well if you look at it that way.
Nets have a good chance of not makeing playoffs, loose player (injury) etc and he would say j Kidd couldnt do it with better players over here, this franchise is shaky and i want to win now.
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Sep 6, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
d-will's words are the key here
he’s said that this team NEEDS to improve its roster for him to stay. he knows that he adds more value to this team than almost any other player in the league, but with a lost season, the Nets will not even have a chance to improve the roster.
at least if the season starts, the Nets will have an opportunity to build up a solid starting rotation and maybe even some depth on the bench.
that's a good reason why
Nets should consider future without D WILL, Westbrook Rivers and even CP3 will be free agents. I’ll go with draft and sign solid Center WICH WOULD HELP NETS IN A LONG RUN, NOT JUST 4-5 YEARS.
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Sep 6, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Not long enough for me
i like the way OKC, San AN and Memphis doing it right now, with a core of players they got they can compete for next 10+ years, that’s how i like it and it proved to work over years
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Sep 6, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The Doctor was great
But in my heart, Kidd is the number one Net of all time. Best floor general I have ever seen.
by nets14 on Sep 6, 2011 11:13 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Kidd of course was a great Net...
but there might of been no Nets team in the NBA if it wasn’t for Dr. “J”…
Julius Irving transformed the game. He was one of the first high flyers who truly electrified crowds with his ability to play above the rim. Plus he was a fundamentally complete all round player. I love how Dr. “J” described his and the ABA’s influence on the modern NBA game we have seen in the past twenty years…
Dr. J describes his game with the Nets as “getting a glimpse of the game in the 90’s in the 70’s so our game was probably a little ahead of its time.”
by M I K E on Sep 6, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No Doubt
Dr.J was an extremely important player to NBA history, and a very important Net. I didnt live in that time, so I never saw him play. Kidd to me was the greatest Net ever because he saved our franchise in the NBA. I just dont know where the Nets would be right now if not for Kidd. Kidd is my favorite Net of all time because as a kid in the early 2000’s, I became a net fan the year before Kidd. They were terrible. Then when Kidd came, they became an electrifying team who had amazing success. Kidd really got me into basketball, which is why to me, he is the greatest Net of all time, im sure others have different opinions.
whether you lived in that time really doesn't matter
Kidd saved the franchise…but Dr. J is one of the 10 transformational players in NBA history…and he established the Nets.
by Net Income on Sep 6, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I fell Kidd is more important to the Nets
because he gave the Nets credibility in the NBA. What Dr. J did in the ABA has absolutely nothing to do with the Nets now.
well the Nets wouldnt have made it to the NBA if not for Dr J, for one
by sheepareevil on Sep 6, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
"What Dr. J did in the ABA has absolutely nothing to do with the Nets now"
That’s like saying your parents and grand parents have nothing to do with what you are now…
Dr. “J” was the premier player in the ABA, and one of the most exciting talents ever to play in pro basketball and without him the four ABA teams that were finally accepted into the NBA, the Nets being one of those teams, most likely would not have allowed into the NBA. The ABA league would of eventually folded since it could not afford to compete with the NBA indefinitely, and only the ABA players, not the four ABA teams, would of been allowed into the NBA…Hence no Nets franchise…
by M I K E on Sep 6, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
OT
Officials from the NBA and the players’ union will meet again Wednesday in New York City, according to sources close to the situation.The meeting will be only the third since the league locked out its players on July 1. But if Wednesday’s meeting is productive, sources said the sides are expected to pick up the pace and come together again Thursday and perhaps Friday.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/6935865/sources-nba-players-union-meet-again-wednesday
LOL
Now, some of you boys, I know, are wondering whether or not you’ll chicken out once the season starts. Don’t worry about it. I can assure you that you will all do your duty. The Knicks are the enemy. Wade into them. Spill their blood. Shoot them in the belly. When you put your hand into a bunch of goo that a moment before was your best players face, you’ll know what to do.
Sounds like very encouraging news...
Nobody really wants a lockout especially the players…
This will probably play out like the NFL situation did. They will haggle back and forth but within a short period of time cooler heads will prevail and a new CBA will be ironed out…
any player that is/was injurred DEFINITELY wants a season...
because, like with the NFL, we’re starting to see nagging injuries plaguing players who other wise would have had access to the training staff and medical teams if there wasn’t a lockout earlier in the summer….
BrooK Lopez (right arm, mono)
Deron Williams (wrist, brain)
Damion James (foot, youth)
Travis Outlaw (crabitis, brickophobia)
i think both side's will talk same old same old.
It will come down to if players will accept hard cap, owners of Cavs, Pacers, Bucks, GS small market teams willing to wait and play hard ball. But it good knews anyway let’s see who will blink first.
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Sep 6, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
at the last meeting
nothing substantive was discussed. That’s why you haven’t heard anything out of the talks.
It was all about establishing the protocols on what gets talked about first, priorities, breaking out working groups, etc. The owners did not present a new proposal, which is what the players had hoped for. More importantly, Stern has said if games are lost, then the owners’ proposals will become more hardline to make up for lost income.
Something very important came out of that last meeting...
The players and owners decided they would not talk about what’s going on behind closed doors. Both side decided that they would not negotiate in public. That’s usually a sign of wanting to gets things done, and quickly…
I believe that as the season gets closer
They will meet more, nobody wants to lose money, especially millionaires. Nobody benefits from a lost season, no one. In the sheridan article, he explains that they arent really as far apart as they say. I think the next two meetings are vital, I have a feeling these next two meetings will lay the groundwork for the owners drawing a good proposal that both either agree on or amkes the sides come closer in the next meeting. I think there will be a season, and a full one.
One other thing that has not been mentioned...
I assume players agents are not getting paid either. These powerful agents don’t want their clients getting stiffed along with themselves…
i figured that agents got their 5, 10, 15% when the contract is signed....
considering that they are guaranteed contracts in the NBA..
unless you’re referring to those UFA and FA’s representation
Have a Q over here
can somebody tell me what’s going to happen after Sep15 cant find info.
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Sep 6, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I found some of these comments about how sports agents are paid...
I think in all sports (at least in the US) guaranteed or not, the funds are not received until the client is paid. Same as lawyers, most say “we don’t get paid until you do” unless the lawyer states up front the fees.
That ensures the agent’s loyalty and continued hard work…Agent fees are often taken as a portion of each applicable revenue event or paycheck.You don’t get commissions for work not yet completed. By definition, a commission is a fee paid for a completed transaction.
While contracts can vary, generally for each check received, a portion is paid in commissions.
wow, awesome
thanks for the clarification.
now i’m beginning to think that the money-hungry moochers (agents) will be the driving force behind gettng something accomplished.
The last time there was an NBA lockout in 1998...
Higher paid players and their agents pushed the union to end the lockout. It was generally considered a victory for the owners at that time…
On December 23, Stern announced that he would recommend canceling the season if there was no deal by January 7, 1999. As Stern’s deadline approached, the NBPA showed signs of division from within. Highly paid players were seen as the ones most affected by the disputed issues, rather than the union’s membership as a whole.
On January 6, the day before Stern’s deadline, he and Hunter reached an agreement, which was ratified by the NBPA later that day and by the NBA Board of Governors on January 7.
Widely viewed as a victory for Stern and the owners, the agreement was signed by both parties on January 20, officially ending the lockout after 204 days
CBA has a ceiling for agents
they can get no more than 4% of their players’ salary. Player and agent can negotiate a fee arrangement on things like endorsements and personal appearances beyond their NBA salary. That can be 10% or 15% or 8%.
Remember the Subway ad at the IZOD where Devin Harris is seen on the Jumbotron ordering a sandwich at Subway and then Sly runs onto the court with it? Harris got $2,500 for that. His agent got more than 4%.
players dont lose sneaker deals
and other sponsorships unless the contract specifies he has to be playing…and I know of none that do. Iverson made $90 million on sneaker deal. Rookies usually only make six figures and I dont think Brooks or JWill have a deal yet. Brooks met with Nike, but no announcement.
Doesnt matter
Players still lose money, the sneakers they advertise dont sell as much because they arent playing.
you assume
that they are getting paid per sneaker.
they are not.
just as the owners keep getting the TV revenue, the players keep getting whatever sponsorship, endorsement revenue they have contracted for
How many players got sneakers deals 10 maybe 20
there’s over 500 players in the league and most of them getting paid by teams only. That’s Chandler went overseas DWILL, Farmar etc.
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Sep 6, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Thaks for the answer NI, Mike
will see what’s good with this CBA tom…
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Sep 6, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like Amare is leading the Knicks like a true leader leads...
Too bad Deron couldn’t be the same leader for the Nets team…
If the NBA and NBPA can’t come to an agreement in time to preserve the regularly-scheduled training camp, Stoudemire has organized a minicamp at the IMG Basketball facility in Bradenton, Fla. The camp is scheduled to run from Oct. 19 to Nov. 6.
According to several players, the Knicks’ captain sent out emails about the plan to all 10 players under contract for 2011-12, plus draft picks Iman Shumpert (who is already working out at IMG) and Josh Harrellson and a few free agents from the 2010-11 roster.
Well... Amare is happy being in NY and a member of the Knicks
So that’s a difference right there.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
D-Will organized the P3 training in Santa Barbara just before the lockout
got all the players under contract plus Brooks and JWill to go to Peak Performance for three or four days. Each was given a very specific routine to follow during the lockout.
You may recall that Anthony Morrow tweeted at the time he had never spent more time with teammates than he did with the Nets.
travis outlaws workout was a joke he should have just sat home rather than doing those crab walks
by RandyOreens on Sep 6, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
what exactly are the rules governing the player-to-player contact at this point?
FO’s can’t contact players and vice versa, but players can contact other players under contract to work out together (for the TEAM’S greater good) even though the team isn’t paying them?
Ha Sheridan
all those sparkling pieces on the Knicks cost him his job? I’m shocked!
His new website is put together very well though..somebody must have spent at least 30 minutes on it.
I figured 16 but you could be right.
I am told he feared ESPN wouldn’t renew him. His fear was justified.
Hate to see anyone lose his or her job, but he just wasnt that good.
My thoughts exactly.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 6, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't get how anyone could think losing the season would be a benefit to the Nets
It’s pretty obvious to me that the less time Deron spends with the team, the less likely he is to identify with it and the more likely he is to leave.
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