Nets Pushing "Billion Dollar Arena"
by Net Income on Aug 3, 2011 4:48 PM EDT
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PrintIt may not be the "world's most famous arena" (it's really just a marketing slogan), but it will be the "world's most expensive arena" (although the Knicks might note its "transformation" costs almost as much as Barclays). It may not be the "Mecca" of basketball, but it will be the "Taj Mahal" (so says Avery Johnson). Get it?
The Nets are indeed promoting that Barclays will be the world's first billion dollar arena. In a city of big, bigger and biggest, that could catch on. "All together, interest, taxes, everything, it's a billion dollars," Bruce Ratner told an NY1 reporter earlier this month. (In 2009, the official estimate was $904 million, but that didn't include some infrastructure.)
The latest publication to latch onto the "billion dollar arena" is Digital Construction Magazine, which did a cover story on Barclays. "Between the cost of the land, paying for union labor, meeting environmental regulations and working around subway lines underneath the site, it is estimated that the project will cost a total of $1 billion before it is completed," writes Logan Broyles.
- The NBA Comes to Brooklyn - Under Construction - Logan Broyles - Digital Construction
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Is Ted DeBiase available for the grand opening?
Section15 Row 12 Seats 1&2
by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Aug 3, 2011 4:58 PM EDT reply actions
That's Flair my friend
-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.
Your Nets tickets are now diamonds
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
by eLonepb on Aug 3, 2011 5:13 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Wait a minute....
Aren’t the owners of NBA teams crying that they have lost millions over the past couple of years?? but yet here it is…. a BILLION dollar arena…
CALL THE MEDIA I KNOW WHERE ALL THE MONEY WENT!!!!
now we can end this ridiculous strike/work stopage and get to playing some Basketball again..
=O)
Until Wikipedia declares Barclays to be the world's first Billion Dollar Arena, it isn't so (LOL)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barclays_Center
Yormarket will have to do more plugging before the slogan catches on.
Wikipedia DOES say that the Baclays naming rights WAS $400 million over 20 years.
if yormarket wanted to
he could log on and change that tomorrow
How can he get Wikipedia to change their Bio of Barclays?
I will write to him if you tell me how. He has already made several statements, but they haven’t picked it up.
Maybe if the NY Times wrote an article it would get picked up.
Why should stern earn 15mill!!
To run a sports league?! That is absurd.
Hate that dude and his globalization of the game. He has made the game soft and weak.
The 80’s and 90’s was by far the best era of nba.
i wonder what
ticket prices are gonna be? Or the price of beer?
gonna be high to absorb those costs.
Good point
Can’t wait to see what a billion dollars buys these days!
by nynjlawyer on Aug 3, 2011 6:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It represents the lost taxes from the FAA surcharge that will be lost while Congress is in summer recess ...
Because a certain Party refused to agree to a settlement until they break up a Union and don’t cover rural Airports.
The FAA doesn’t exist at the moment. Some airlines tried to pocket the fees but are being embarrassed to return it to the customers.
He hates the lockout and the process. He loves the game of basketball but not the politics involved.
DWill represents the JEDI and Stern is EVIL.
DWill would love to get even with Stern.
This is about MORE than money and basketball.
Fortunately DWill’s family is OK with taking a vacation, but Steve Nash wrote that he has a 3 year old child to take care of or else he would be going to China already.
Classic “RETURN of the JEDI” in progress.
Black and white
eye catching color scheme
"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 3, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I recall tweeting that Pic to him a couple of weeks ago.
I thought he would like it.
Someone posted it on NetsDaily back then.
correction: I just checked and it was a Turkish fan who Tweeted that pic to DWill on around July 16 and as I expected DWill liked it and just retweeted it.
On that same day it was revealed about the Turkish scandal, so that wasn’t a good time for DWill to be boasting.
I did however send DWill a link to @Howard2Nets which a Nets fan has been keeping up.
This just proves he Does read the tweets sent to him.
JERRY STAY AWAY!!!
But anyways, yeah he just bought this for his wife:
dmwmama Amy Williams
Gotta thank my amazing husband @DeronWilliams for a very thoughtful anniversary present! Love ya babe. yfrog.com/h32v4rlj
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
That looks more like a gift that a wife gets a husband.
Maybe Deron is even smarter than we think.
wow beadle getting herself in trouble with espn
id post the link but it has nsfw language… just go to deadspin. come back to YES beadle!!
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Aug 3, 2011 7:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
what should I type in google to find it?
love thy underdog
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Aug 3, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a shame
She’s just been ostracized for not kissing EA’s butt. ESPN should realize how lucky they are to have someone who makes a show with Cowherd remotely watchable.
I didn't even know about her relation with an ESPN Hockey analyst until I did the search.
Apparently she had recently broken up from that relationship at the time of the ESPYs
http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/03/14/michelle-beadle-matthew-barnaby-an-espn-love-connection/
she's not going anywhere
too many upper level powers love her. if it was anyone else they would have supsended/fired them already: kornheiser, rose, marriotti, etc all have did some dirt the latter some deep quicksand sinkhole mess but they all paid almost immediately for their detrimental actions
besides erin andrews she is the only young and lovely female they have. didnt know she was 35 though. thought she was like 28. chris mckendry and hannah storm must be like 50 years old at least. oh and i wait for the day they replace mckendry with beadle. if sara walsh can do sportscenter so can beadle; mckendry is like the non-funny version of the ball state guy(who used to work at my local tv station)
and sportsnation: man i cant stand colin cowherd, he is now more annoying than skip bayless because shaq called bayless out the other night.
i thought she had a huge crush on mark sanchez anyway. oh well guess the"godfather" of football’s prodigal son and his MMA teammate had to do that night. its kind of funny because i think the sentence may have been twisted to sound like that when she may have tried to say she wanted to get wasted but using the “just broke up” spin makes the story juicier and put bulges in a bunch of dudes pants when they read that wishing they were aaron rodgers or clay matthews, or even their freelaoding friends, that night
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Aug 3, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Brook Lopez could have got that for some reason. She seemed to love making him uncomfortable and he couldnt look at her and it seemed to amp her up.
You mean losing his v-------y to her would get her excited?
As long as she wasn’t seeing someone else at the time, she probably would be OK with that thought.
Maybe that’s just what Brook needed to be more of a Man.
by jerry25 on Aug 3, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ESPN would be crazy not to give Beadle what she wants, especially after this juicy gossip.
She will be more popular than ever now.
There is also Linda Cohen who was the 2nd female after Hannah Storm but both seem to come and go for long periods.
Hannah Storm is 49 and was 27 (1989) when she first hosted Sports Center. She was a little bit like Beadle is today.
they are all old
except for the new faces like sage steele, sara walsh, and cindy brunson. linda cohn must be 55 as well i can actually see it in her skin(same for storm which is why i guessed 50 who i also remember used to be a sideline reporter in the mid-90’s nbc playoff games with marv, walton, czar, hubie, ramsay)
and i’m going to assume rachel nichols is about 33 years old then, makes sense why plaxico was trying to make a pass at her when he tried to say that 34 year olds can still look good
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Aug 3, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Nichols is 37
Cohn 51.
"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 3, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Nichols is a witch.
She reminds me of Sarah Jessica Parker, but while doing an unintentional Jim Carey impersonation. E! S! P! N!
I remember Cohn when she started on ESPN and the Surgery definitely made her watchable and extended her TV lifespan.
Still, we are being Pigs to talk this way. If they were men, being 50 would mean more respect and credible.
Still a net money loser
No matter how much this will cost, it will always be seen as a net money loser. There are irrefutable claims including the ones from the IBO back in 2005 that support that. If anyone has any proof stating otherwise, I would love to see that. Also, it has been proven countless times by Neil de Mause, the famous author of Field of Schemes, that new sports facilities do not help with the surrounding areas they are in but rather hurt them instead hence proving that they are not a magic bullet for improvement nor are they for the team that uses them, because I doubt that it will just land them top free agents or make their existing do better the second they are in there. Right now, the city is in a lot of debt from the new stadiums that were recently built for the Mets and Yankees, and that will only increase even higher as this comes around. Publicly subsidized sports facilities make ticket prices even more higher than they already are in which those on the lowest income will be forced to sit in the nosebleed sections whereas the highest income will get the best places. Then again, I guess you guys love it so much, that you won’t mind footing the bill for your best friend Ratner, because this our tax dollars paying for it, not money from his own wallet.
Ratner is a great man
His last three projects have brought great architecture to the city: Renzo Piano’s NYTimes building; Frank Gehry’s 8 Spruce Street and now Greg Pasquarelli’s Barclays Center.
He changed Brooklyn from downtrodden outer borough to a thriving inner borough with One Pierrepont and MetroCenter.
The critics are mainly people who have disappointed their parents.
by Net Income on Aug 3, 2011 10:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Still drinking the kool aid I see
Many of Ratner’s projects actually hurt the areas they were in. MTC was never seen as an improvement for Downtown Brooklyn. If anything, it was actually an alienation to the area especially for having a 24-7 communtiy. Just the name of it sounds like an office park, which shows how much he hasn’t lost his Cleveland nature. If that place was so prestigious, then why is most of the office space there have government agencies when it’s private property to begin with? The same thing with his malls. If he cares so much about Brooklyn, then why does he destroy what defines it so much and build over it? Why doesn’t he try reusing some of the buildings instead? Just showing that he needs government agencies and other departments in his buildings really shows how much a failure he was when he could barely attract any businesses. BTW, even then he wasn’t for hiring locals despite using them to help him get his way, which many who located there just relocated their existing employees rather than hiring them. In the end, Ratner is no saviour, he is nothing more than a developer. He didn’t care about communties then, he doesn’t care about them now.
by Tal Barzilai on Aug 3, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Proof?
NI, I would love to see evidence proving otherwise, or I will consider you just another angry zealout that tends to act defensive on this.
by Tal Barzilai on Aug 5, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't argue with a superfan
You are getting nowhere with blocks of texts addressed to a guy who lives and breathes this team. It’s his thing. Further, he doesn’t live in Brooklyn, obviously (or he wouldn’t be lauding a building that is essentially an uberyuppy housing project with a nice roof) so he doesn’t quite understand the community. I’m not sure he has ever seen the inside of a brownstone, or has even been farther South than Atlantic and Flatbush. He’s only interested in this team and its rich celebrity hang-arounds/owners, not the community its ravaging entering.
FYI they just rerouted traffic in the area and its only twice as awful. Can’t wait. Better take the subway Bridge and Tunnel Crowd. So so far, lousy basketball, lousy architecture (Words of the critics and community planners), lousy hockey and now lousy traffic. Nets better get Howard or a winning record or this house of cards is going to collapse real quick.
No, it wont.
You can state your opinion all you want about the project, but this ain’t no house of cards ernie. The basketball wont be lousy, the architecture looks to be quite nice, and the traffic was always horrible. The whole traffic thing is kind of a stupid argument anyway, because whatever was going to be built there was going to make the traffic terrible.
by BrooklynNets on Aug 5, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Aesthetics are personal preference (why you want an arena that looks like a boba fett helmet is beyond me). However, the Nets have historically played lousy basketball. Their record over the past decade, which includes the absolute best era the team has ever had is .468. This is being generous and ignoring the decidedly less than mediocre previous decades. They have been beyond the first round exactly 0 times without Jason Kidd. The Nets have won 2 finals games (not titles) ever.
So again. The Nets are lousy until they show otherwise. And really, Brooklyn doesn’t need an NY version of the Clippers, we already have a mediocre basketball team in the Knicks for that. So yeah: Its a house of cards. And no, for the people living near 4th Avenue or Flatbush, the traffic thing is not stupid. We don’t live in high rises like the people surrounding other stadiums or major streets in cities.
Correction
The Nets made it out of the first round in 1983–84
Agreed
The traffic in itself is a reason not to have an arena there. That was the reason to why Moses opposed having a stadium for the Dodgers there, and why he offered where the Mets play today as an alternative. Rerouting the traffic doesn’t help either, it makes matters even worse. As a matter of fact, doing anything to change the patterns there will make it worse. As for the Nets themselves, if they continue to play the way they do now, they will not get big attendance, and that’s not going to matter where they play be it NJ or Brooklyn. Also, it’s proven that it’s the team themselves that make them better, not where they play. It’s bad enough that the city is divided in almost every sports league by having two teams.
by Tal Barzilai on Aug 5, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
i live in Brooklyn
and it isnt destroying anything, considering what it was. And if i remember, Tal isnt from Brooklyn either.
Love Gehry
But 8 Spruce Street is seriously out of place in that neighborhood and the scale is all wrong. In fact, it’s just a Gehry facade on a way over-sized residential tower (largest in North America).
I think he did a great job with the NYTimes building and deserves a lot of credit for that.
I do think there is something fundamentally wrong with mega-developers like Ratner. I’m not sure I would call him a ‘great guy’ when he uses his considerable political influence to bull doze legitimate community opposition to his plans. Don’t think he is a villain as the critics paint him, but not sure why you so strongly advocate for him.
Disagree
As someone who lives on William Street, I must say that the tower has really improved that disctrict. NEw restaurants, shops are opening up and it adds life to a dead area
-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.
I live a block from the Gehry building
and I haven’t seen new restaurants and shops opening up right by it. There are new businesses opening up a few blocks away, but that’s been happening all along whenever the economy has left a recession (I’ve lived here through three business cycles.)
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That's cool
I respect your opinion. I think it looks hideous and even worse from Brooklyn. That’s not to say if wasn’t sharing a skyline with the Woolworth building and surrounded by old civic buildings I wouldn’t like it because I love Gehry. But that’s Ratner: not much concern for the neighborhood.
Great architecture doesn’t exist in a vacuum, which is one of the reasons why Chicago is known for its sky scrapers. Yes, they have a lot of historic architects, but the buildings seem to fit.
Honestly, I think that’s what is better about the second iteration of Barclays: it fits much better with what’s around it.
by BrooklynNets on Aug 4, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t live in the FiDi or frequent it, so I can’t speak to what the building is doing for that neighborhood, but I disagree with the Brooklyn viewpoint. I always thought it was a very interesting building to look at from the Promenade. Very Manhattan-esque and should blend right in with the new towers.
Too bad Gehry didn’t design the Barclay Center.
Nothing will blend in with those hideous towers
Especially because they don’t blend in with each other. The WTC design is the worst. Seriously, I walk past that everyday and have no idea how they could be building two massive buildings across a plaza from one another that have no relation in terms of design whatsoever. And 1 WTC is right on top of the West Side Highway. You want to complain about traffic in Brooklyn? Wait til you see that!
by BrooklynNets on Aug 5, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Never liked the new WTC
This is why I was for rebuilding the Twin Towers and I am still fighting for that even today. The rendering of that official plan doesn’t even look like a unified complex not to mention how much they have gone up in contest. At least the original WTC looked like it was all unified as one. What they lacked in design by being simple boxes, they made up for in engineering. I personally liked the Twin Towers, because they showed how great something can be just by being simple rather than some look-at-me-building. Of course I can draw a lot of parallels to this and the AY in how much there was so much opposition to it yet those in charge went with what they wanted. I have even reffered to the main building as the Osam bin Laden Memorial Tower, because I feel that it was built in his honor.
by Tal Barzilai on Aug 5, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Tal
3 quick points: Does this author clearly state that moving a team from a so-so area (no offense to Newark, I’m simply referring to an increase in expected game attendance in NYC) to a more prime location does not yield expected improvement? and if so, what basis does he have on the matter? To say that the erection of Barclays is not a draw to someone like Dwight Howard or any other FA is being naive on your part then.
2: Spare everyone with the nosebleed sections for low income families rant. The Yanks charge a buttload for tickets, but are there way around it in order to have a fairly great seat, yes. I don’t see the Nets being any different.
3: The city over the next 3 years stands to make a good amount of money due to these new sporting facilities as well: 2014 Super Bowl, 2014 All-Star Game at Barclays is definitely not out of question, 2013 MLB All-Star Game, and Wrestlemania 30 at the newly renovated MSG in 2014. So the city stands to make a great deal back over those 2 years
In regards to ticket sales
also have to remember the Knicks are drastically raising ticket prices, whereas I don’t believe our prices will be as bad as theirs.
"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 4, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Still riding the myths
Jimmy, this has been proven false countless times by Neil de Mause, author of Field of Schemes. Claiming that cities will do better just because of this is nothing but a lie. It’s the sports owners that collect the revenue, not the cities. I can’t believe why you believe this so much. As for locations, they don’t matter as long as the team is actually doing good. If location was such an issue, then can you explain why teams such as the Pistons, Bulls, and Spurs play outside the downtown areas of their cities yet still draw such high attendance? Nevertheless, you should read this that was said by de Mause over on NPR on why it’s a bad idea to subsidize sports facilities.
http://www.npr.org/2011/08/05/139018592/the-nation-stop-the-subsidy-sucking-sports-stadiums
by Tal Barzilai on Aug 5, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Great Man?
Stating that on a Net website?
I think you can say that on a Real Estate web site but on a Net Basketball site?
I think you have everyone’s respect by posting some good info but don’t lose it with comments such as that.
i have always blamed the critics
And noted Ratner has a history of over reaching.
This isn’t about real estate. Its about the City.
by Net Income on Aug 3, 2011 10:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Insider article about where Dwight fits best
by the same guys who answered where Deron fits best.
Results:
Thorpe said any team.
The high school looking guy said Lakers/Celtics/Nets
Bucher said Mavericks
Broussard said New Jersey (Brooklyn) Nets
awwwww yeah
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/6825674/nba-2012-free-agent-profile-dwight-howard
Chris Broussard: Howard sincerely likes Orlando, but it will be nearly impossible for the Magic to make the types of trades necessary to give him a chance to win a title and keep him in the land of Disney. Thus, I think Howard will be on the move, and the trade possibilities are delicious.
Miami could offer either LeBron or D-Wade, or a package of D-Wade and Chris Bosh. The Magic aren’t likely to send Howard downstate, however, and the Heat aren’t likely to break up The Big Three. Atlanta, Howard’s hometown, has Josh Smith, Joe Johnson, Al Horford, Marvin Williams and Zaza Pachulia to offer. Of course, the Lakers could offer Andrew Bynum.
Having whiffed in 2010, Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov should be a player for 2012’s class — including Howard.
As for the Knicks, it depends on the new collective bargaining agreement. But if it leaves them with enough room to make a significant offer to Chris Paul, they could choose to instead make the same offer to Howard. If the Knicks could team Howard with Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony, I’d say New York would be Howard’s best option.
New York could also offer Stoudemire to the Magic for Howard. But with Stoudemire turning 29 in November on surgically repaired knees, Orlando probably can do better. Meanwhile, Oklahoma City could offer Russell Westbrook and either Kendrick Perkins or Serge Ibaka.
While all these moves are fun to think about, I say the best move for Howard is to join Deron Williams in leading the Nets into their new era in Brooklyn. The best center and arguably the best point guard in the league joining forces? Could be magical. Avery Johnson has proved to be a very good coach, and the owner, Mikhail Prokhorov, will do whatever it takes to make the Nets a first-class operation.
To pull this off, the Nets must do everything in their power to have their new Brooklyn arena ready to open the 2012-13 season because Howard isn’t keen on playing even one game in New Jersey.
by bronxbombers2 on Aug 3, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
nice to see a two-sided article
from knickSPN.
this, for me, has been the most logical and responsible take on this situation. everyone can make a deal but he isnt going everywhere. magic arent going to take crap back either, they want players that can be all-stars in return.
and IF the knicks can clear cap space for paul then they could make a play for dwight BUT carmelo is the only piece the magic would want if it was a S&T and the knicks would rather part ways with uninsured knees
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Aug 3, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
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