Lists, Lists...Everyone's Got Lists; Sports Illustrated Ranks D-Will at #7
by Net Income on Aug 16, 2011 9:49 AM EDT
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PrintRanking the NBA's best players (or every player) is the newest lockout-induced obsession of the dribbling class. Zach Lowe of SI just completed his Top 100 and CBS is midway through theirs. In a twitter-centric endeavor, ESPN has now joined them. They're doing everyone who ever picked up a basketball, it seems, a Top 500!
SI and CBS rankings come with an explanation, ESPN's with a number and a name. Is it time to rank ESPN "experts"? They claim 91 of them participated.
Lowe ranks Deron Williams at #7, Brook Lopez at #49 and thinks Kris Humphries "just missed the cut" for the top 100. At #7, D-Will ranks ahead of Derrick Rose, at #9, and just behind Chris Paul at #6.
CBS rankings put Lopez at #59 and don't mention Humphries. It will be a couple of days before they get to Williams.
ESPN is tweeting new names every few minutes. So far, it's gone 401-500, including draftees. They have Sundiata Gaines at 402, Ben Uzoh at 412, Stephen Graham at 443, Jordan Williams at 475, and long departed 10-day contract Orien Greene at 484.
- The Point Forward - Top 100 NBA Players — Nos. 1-10 - Zach Lowe - Sports Illustrated
- Top 100 NBA Players - CBS Sports
- NBA Player Rankings 401-500 - ESPN
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The Nets player
? / ? / 402 / 412
? / 443 / ?
? / ?
? / ? / ? / 475
? / ???
1 - D. Williams / J. Farmar / S. Gaines / B. Uzoh
2 - A. Morrow / S. Graham / M. Brooks
3 - T. Outlaw / D.James
4 - K. Humpries / D. Gadzuric / B. Wright / J. Williams
5 - B. Lopez / J. Petro
right now no.
but who are potentially tapped out? who is only entering his fourth year in the league?
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Aug 16, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Westbrook is better than both Anthony and Stoudemire.
The performance of their respective teams display that; as do the stats.
If you're interested, you can follow me @TokenNBR.
by Dopeness on Aug 16, 2011 10:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Absolutely not.
Westbrook is one of the most overrated players in the game.
Melo is too, but Melo is easily better and more important to his team.
Durant, Ibaka, Harden, these guys are why the Thunder are so good.
You could replace Westbrook with Baron Davis or Tony Parker and they would be just as good.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow -- we almost never disagree...
Having said that (Curb fans), you’re wrong; errr I strongly disagree.
The last sentence is criminal; border-line bat****.
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by Dopeness on Aug 16, 2011 1:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That bread was really hard.
Soon to be formerly NetsMets4Life (hopefully).
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
The last sentence is criminal; border-line bat****.
What can I say, I call it how I see it.
:P
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO
People have gone too far to throw Westbrook in a box. The kid is so young and is so talented, to not expect some set backs along the way is not really realistic. If westbrook takes the next step you’ll see a lot of Thunder/Miami NBA finals.
Meh, he has that bad attitude, that is what's hard to change. Oh yeah and low BBIQ.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
and the concrete proof of the bad attitude?
and if he did, reminder, he’s 23 years old and a professional basketball player. Large ego’s in any professional sport are to be expected. And looking on the flip side, his numbers are improved in every season he’s played. Your giving the guy no credit. He’s a legit cornerstone of a franchise, i think we all get too carried away discrediting a player especially on one series.
I'm not giving him credit?
Where have I said he sucks?
I have him in my top 20.
Steve Francis and Baron Davis were once considered legit franchise cornerstones.
I’m piecing together an educated opinion from a pile of evidence, between his season, his numbers both raw and advanced, his interviews, interviews of others including teammates, watching him play, his body language and the playoffs.
If I didn’t, he would still be way outside my top 20 like he was last season.
I have upgraded him quite a bit, but I don’t go putting every good player on a pedestal, nor do I automatically claim them the next big thing.
I also don’t write them off.
But I do form an opinion and I think everything points to this kid being uber athletic and talented but with a meager understanding of the game and a number of underlying personality issues towards the game of basketball and the level he plays on.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
wait, you have him top 20 but behind Stat and Melo…Que? Besides being a turnover nut, Westbrook almost arrived this year, especially in the playoffs. The guy hasn’t hit his ceiling yet
Yes.
I have Melo and Stat higher then Westbrook, all 3 in my top 20.
There is no proof he hasn’t hit his ceiling either and if you think he arrived in the playoffs you haven’t been watching him the last 2 seasons.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 17, 2011 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree here
you can’t really give up on a player that talented and that early in his career.
love thy underdog
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Aug 16, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd put Westbrook over Melo
Maybe Stat too. Decision making aside, his defense is greater, he’s not that far behind as a scorer, and he’s not as bad of a playmaker as people make him out to be at times. All that and he’s still in the infancy of his career
Westbrook showed himself to be nothing more then talent and athleticism with an attitude problem and bad decision making in the playoffs.
This kid has Steve Francis written all over him.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
But it works
If Rose can win MVP being a very similar player, I don’t see why Westbrook won’t continue his success.
Westbrook has made good strides. His turnovers aren’t as bad as the turnovers he committed earlier in his career, his jumper is better, his control is better. I think this is just people devolving into player stereotypes once again, and there is a zero percent chance that Westbrook will play himself out of the league ala Francis/Iverson. I don’t think that series was indicative of him the same way it wasn’t indicative of Durant. Durant won’t be as anemic as he was then forever, and Westbrook won’t play like that (even though he kind of needed to) forever
It's also a lot to do with his attitude.
It’s terrible.
And Rose was certainly deserving of the MVP, but I still have him as the 8th best player in the league and 3rd best point guard.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
or he could have kevin johnson written all over him
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Aug 16, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Lowe's list
I hate the Knicks, but Amare should be higher than 19.
Carmelo at 20 sounds about right. :)
Must be defense
Although I think Amare is an ok defender, but it usually comes from helping, not directly guarding his man.
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terrible man defender
and despite still being explosive and athletic, he is unable to guard any centers. and if he gets in foul trouble?
i have never seen a person take so many possessions off on defense so he can run back down the court and score again
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R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Aug 16, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, aside from guys like Cpaw battling me to death on the forums side last year and offseason, Amar'e is literally one of the worst defenders in the league IMHO.
Just watching him I don’t know how one could not agree.
Just disgusting to watch.
He might as well play with a red cap in his hand with sequins bandied about his jersey and shorts.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
a lot of it is picking up early fouls
which Amar’e does a lot, he gets those early fouls and he will literally back off when teams take the ball at him. And teams scout that of course.
Excuses, excuses.
Dude plays some of the most disgusting matador defense I have seen in my short life, no exaggeration.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
thats because he doesnt know how to properly defend
he picks up dumb fouls because he’s doing something dumb: roaming center field, chasing help side blocks, not denying low post entry passes, taking poor position in stopping backdowns/low post shots, swiping at arms and hands as a substitute for contesting shots properly
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Aug 16, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Ben Uzoh
I like the guy. I hope he doesn’t get way-sided this season.
Brook-Brooks-Brookyln
LET'S DO THIS!
I'm surprised he wasn't last year.
That roster spot and playing time should have been used on a player with potential to stick in the league out of the D League like Jerrels or Temple.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Ben Uzoh is awful.
I hope he winds up on the Knix, they deserve him.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL @ all the Knicks fans in the comments
Flaming the writers for not putting Amare and Melo in the Top 10.
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"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Hmm
“After nine years, I have goals and I’m a team player,” said Nene, who has averaged 12.3 points and 7.0 rebounds in his career. “I’m very competitive. I want to accomplish everything. It’s a big opportunity, and it’s the only one in my life to be a top free agent. So I want to enjoy this moment. If people think it’s about money, they’re wrong. I’ve saved my money. I could retire today. I don’t need to prove points. I like it a lot here.”
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by JerseysFinest. on Aug 16, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL...Nene's agent must be flipping out !
people think it’s about money, they’re wrong. I’ve saved my money. I could retire today.
Great negotiating strategy Nene !
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@darooster8 we are a small but intelligent group of superbeings.
They all say that
Right before signing a max contract
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Yeah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMRfSW9ByKk
I want this guy
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All I want to know...
did Marshon make the top ten along with Deron ?
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@darooster8 we are a small but intelligent group of superbeings.
His swag pushed him into the top ten.
by OTRWaldo on Aug 16, 2011 10:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe he will replace LeBron in the top ten, especially after this episode...
LeBron gets owned by unknown Chinese player !
These NBA players might end up looking less mighty once they get over seas…
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@darooster8 we are a small but intelligent group of superbeings.
You gotta see the video clip...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL16SXkRpRk
But even so, the clip of LeBron getting dunked on surely brought a smile to the faces of the many LeBron haters that dot the NBA landscape.
And the best part of all is that we actually got to see it.
As you might recall, James made headlines in 2009 when a tape of him getting dunked on by Xavier guard Jordan Crawford was mysteriously confiscated by Nike representatives at a summer camp.
This time around, the folks at Nike were unable to get their hands on the footage, but you can bet they would have liked to.
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@darooster8 we are a small but intelligent group of superbeings.
LeBron's reaction after being dunked on...
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@darooster8 we are a small but intelligent group of superbeings.
He was probably thinking...
"The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven"
by aunt-B on Aug 16, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I heard he's called up Wade and Bosh...
and told them to get their butts over to China as soon as possible.
The Big Three will show those Chinese players who’s boss !
Can’t have LeBron’s brand being tarnished by some nobody…
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@darooster8 we are a small but intelligent group of superbeings.
5 out of the 7 responses to your own post MIKE?
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Ooops ! Your right...
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@darooster8 we are a small but intelligent group of superbeings.
ur photobucket
is porbably filled with so many photos and gifs… you could make it into a gif website
Nets Mets Giants ALL DAY
It's called Google Image Search
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"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Top 10
10. Pau Gasol
9. Derrick Rose
8. Dwyane Wade
7. Deron Williams
6. Kobe Bryant
5. Dirk Nowitzki
4. Chris Paul
3. Lebron James
2. Kevin Durant
1. Dwight Howard
These guys are the top 10, but this is the order I’m guessing. I hope to god Lebron isn’t 1.
Official member of the "DO NOT TRADE STEPHEN GRAHAM" Movement
he probably will be
and i wouldnt have a problem with it
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by netsareboss on Aug 16, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I don't like much about his list further down but we have the exact same top 10, I guess that isn't that hard though.
I go…
1. Dirk
2. Lebron
3. Dwight
4. Wade
5. CP3
6. Durant
7. D Will
8. Rose
9. Kobe
10. Pau
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
You know, looking at his whole list, very similar to mine with a few random exceptions.
I don’t have Zach in the top 20 but I have him close.
I have Manu and Melo a little higher, Blake a little lower.
He has Reke waaaaaay to high.
Iggy too high by like 15 to 20 spots.
Lopez too low.
Marc Gasol too high.
Bogut way too low.
I haven’t really gone farther then about 60, but honestly, his list is pretty damn solid, somewhat impressive.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he's right where he belongs
As the writer notes, he may break out of his position with a stellar year.
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Eh, I would say he's better then a lot of those guys.
Just my opinion just like the article is just his, but I would have him in the late 30’s.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Lowe's list is awful
Lopez at 49? Luol Deng, Millsap, Boozer, Marc Gasol, Chandler Gerald Wallace, they are all ahead. And then Melo and Amare 20th and 19th, with Amare ahead? WTF
Chandler and Boozer are still better then Brook.
Personally I have Amar’e literally one spot above Melo as well, just both a touch higher.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree...
Who would I rather have if I’m starting a team from scratch…
Definitely Brook Lopez over all those guys you listed…
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@darooster8 we are a small but intelligent group of superbeings.
But that isn't what this list is about and it doesn't even give the inkling it is.
It’s a list of the current top players in the NBA all the way down, not a list for picking what player you would start a franchise with and who has the most potential or trade value.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Lopez is better than Chandler
Chandler needs a PG at all times to perform well. Lopez scores by himself/
Chandler's defense is game changing. The Mavs might not have made it out of the 1st round without him.
I have Chandler top 30.
Lopez has the potential to become top 10, Chandler does not, he probably can never break a top 20, but as current players, Chandler is better and has a massively bigger impact.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
No it's not that simple at all. You're completely contorting the context of this list for unknown reasons other then to argue yourself.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree.
And that’s not what you have been arguing.
You’ve been arguing who you would start a franchise with.
I would start a franchise with James Harden over Manu Ginobili, but Mau is the current better player.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
ummmmm....
Lopez is better than Chandler
Chandler needs a PG at all times to perform well. Lopez scores by himself/
by nets14 on Aug 16, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
No, see you're missing the point.
I would say you had a good argument if you could point towards more then Brook can create for himself on average efficiency while being a turnover machine and shot forcing when a double comes, with no realization or understanding of what to do with the ball if he can’t make a move and get a shot attempt up.
Chandler’s game has little to do with offense.
His worth and talent comes from his remarkably good defense and excellent rebounding, mixed with his athleticism, physical attributes, BBIQ on both ends and understanding of his limitations.
On offense he is deadly in the pick and roll and his free throw shooting is great for a big man so you can leave him on the floor to control the paint cause he isn’t a liability.
Matter of fact, for a guy who honestly doesn’t have much of an offensive game at all, he manages to get himself to the line at a very respectable clip.
Chandler is a game changer who fits seamlessly on most teams, yet doesn’t get in the way or need his number called to have an immense impact on the game.
Lopez at this point is kind of just there.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at the Nets next year
With D-Will. With Lopez, they have a chance to make the playoffs, with Chandler , NO CHANCE.
That's because we need Lopez scoring more then anything, if you're just going to leave us a blank roster and go with those two players.
Was Corey Maggette or Antoine Walker better then Ben Wallace because they were good scorers?
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
If that's the case this list makes no sense...
Basketball is supposed to be a team sport not an individual one on one contest.
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@darooster8 we are a small but intelligent group of superbeings.
What? This post makes no sense. Like literally.
What does this post have anything to do with your last post?
Just complete randomness.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Some people have the ability to think randomly...
Others have to think in a sequential manner.
Everybody knows random processing is much superior to sequential !
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@darooster8 we are a small but intelligent group of superbeings.
I'd have Marc Gasol ahead of Lopez at this point
Aaand talking about strictly who you would want on a championship team, i’d go Chandler too and Gerald Wallace too.
And yeah, I think Amare is better than Melo
its not who you are taking on a championship team
its who is the better player. I would take Lopez to build a team over them anyday of the week.
No it's about who is literally the better player today, basically in a vacuum, league wide.
It’s not a list about potential or who you take to build a franchise for the long run.
On that type of list, yes, you take Lopez quite high, but this is not that type of list so your point is moot.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Lopez is the better player.
If the Mavericks had Lopez, they would have beaten the heat quicker then they did.
Brook has a lot to prove
Everyone knows he can score, but what’s on every pundits mind is his rebounding, his defense, etc
If he brings his rebounding back to an acceptable level he can jump up to top 25
The Mavs probably don't make the Western Finals with Lopez in place of Chandler.
Tyson’s defense and rebounding is flat out dominating.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
So an extra 20 ppg scorer, with the Mavs already great defense
Doesnt get to the WCF? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
What has that 20ppg scoring got the Nets? 12 wins and 24?
You’re better than that.
There are a lot of players in the NBA that can score 20 a game that aren’t as good as players like Chandler who cannot.
There are also a lot of garbage players who don’t win who score 20 season after season who get propped up cause everyone oohs and aahs over ppg.
I’m not saying Lopez is one of the garbage group.
I am saying he has a lot to prove, doesn’t have a very big impact on the game thus far and is currently not a top 30 player.
At this point he’s a glorified Al Jefferson.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
WHO HAS LOPEZ HAD AROUND HIM?
He would have Dirk, with Kidd getting him the ball. Lopez here had Harris. Thats it.
So that's your rebuttal for Lopez not having much of an impact?
I understand Lopez has had some awful lineups around him and I’m not expecting playoffs.
I like Lopez a lot, he has a lot of potential, but at this point that is most of what makes him up, potential.
He isn’t a very impactful player at this point.
We’ll see what he does with D Will for a season, I think he’ll blow up and become a top 20 player, but as of now he’s not even close.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Without Lopez
the Nets break the record for the Least wins in a season in 09, and win 12 again last year.
What's your point? Take a horrid, historically bad team's best player and replace him with air and they get worse? Who would have thought?
Great argument.
Take Love off the Wolves last year they win 8 games.
Take DeMar DeRozan off the Raptors they win probably 15 instead of 22.
Does that make DeRozan better then Iguodala or Love better then LaMarcus Aldridge or Pau Gasol?
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh...
Everyone is goo goo over Marc Gasol cause of the playoffs but they like to ignore he was an 11 and 7 guy for the whole season.
He’s a solid player and above average starter, but he’s a plodder and his impact and production is relatively easily replaceable if we’re talking about plucking a player off any team in a league wide list.
I wouldn’t put Crash above Lopez but I can understand the argument. I have Wallace outside my top 50, Lopez in the very late 30’s.
Agree with Amar’e, but it’s uber close IMO.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate that list.
Ugh..
How can you still have Kobe that high?
And Wade at 1? :/
Dirk at 6 after he had an MVP caliber season and a historic playoff run on par with Jordan’s best?
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Wade is #1
Wade is the only one in the top 3 that has a title and carried him there by himself. Plus the team that Wade had in 06 was worse then the team the Mavs had this year. Kobe is still a Top 5 player. He still scores like hell and is a good defender.
That Shaq guy sucked...
And Kobe is not still a good defender, it’s an absolute joke that he still makes All Defensive teams.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
He wasnt the same Shaq.
Dirk had Terry, Chandler, Kidd, Barea, with other role players.
Wade had an old Shaq, an old Alonzo, an old Payton, Haslem, James Posey, and an old Antoine Walker were his main role players….
No he wasn't the same Shaq.
Prime Shaq was one of the single most dominant players in NBA history.
Shaq of the year before the Finals and the Finals was still an elite NBA talent though, top 10 player and a force.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, probably worse, at best equal. I'm thinking about it very hard.
There isn’t a player on that Mavs roster that came close to Shaq at that point in time.
Shaq was still a force who demanded a ton of attention on offense, putting an enormous amount of pressure on the opposing D and allowing D Wade to go wild.
He wasn’t the defender he had been, but he was still an intimidating, shot blocking, lane clogging, shot altering anchor.
And a lot of there roster were cast offs, but they were talented rogue players who came together for two seasons and put their awkward selfish styles to bed for the better of the team.
Dallas had a very good roster, but more importantly they had great chemistry and balance.
The Heat had a lot of the same by that second season and Shaq was a ton better then the second best player on the Mavericks.
They both had pretty tight and balanced rosters that worked for a limited amount of time.
Neither will sustain contention for long though.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
All these players were solid if not good at that point...
Compare that too…
Kidd
Marion
JJ Barea
DeShawn Stevenson
74 year old Peja
Terry
Brian Cardinal
Brendan Haywood
I’m not even mentioning Chandler cause he was the Mavs second best player and as much as I’m touting him, he doesn’t compare to Shaq.
And you’re conveniently leaving out…
Udonis Haslem
Jason Williams
Derek Anderson
So…
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Jason Williams and Derek Anderson??
Kidd was better than both Williams and Payton, Terry was better than anyone outside of Wade and Shaq, Marion was better than Posey, so….
nets14 u have very short memory
That was the year shaq was robbed of his MVP in his opiniuon. Wade was a finisher and elevated / got assisted rather shadily in the finals with a lot of phantom calls. Zo and Shaq were extremely dominnat that year
by SunilP on Aug 16, 2011 7:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Absurd?
No.
Truth?
Yes.
Kobe is not an elite defender anymore and hasn’t been in years.
It’s straight joekz that he’s made it the last 2 or 3 seasons.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 17, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
so you think they are just giving it to him because his name is Kobe Bryant, c’mon now. That’s a lil rediculous
Yes, that is exactly why he has continued to get it, even Lakers fans will tell you.
He’s living off reputation.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 17, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
People are letting some bias get in their way, imo
I personally hate the guy, but you can’t deny that at any given time LeBron is still the best player in the entire NBA, Finals meltdown or not
I don't agree, it has nothing to do with personal bias.
Dirk is simply the current best player in the NBA.
Melting down in 4th quarters game after game during the biggest moments of your career during almost the entire playoffs is not something you just write off, neither is the other player having the most dominant and amazing playoffs since Jordan.
I still have Bron at 2 and I think that’s giving him the massive benefit of the doubt.
Lebron is a great great player, but I think we have seen now that he is exposed as a once a decade type, but not a generational talent so much and certainly it’s a joke to continue to compare him to guys like Jordan or even prime Kobe unless he goes on a 3 to 5 year tear redeeming himself.
Then we can reevaluate.
The only bias I have is having Deron that high this year, cause although statistically he beasted, just missing that many game should let you fall some.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup
cause your Jumping on the Dirk bandwagon because he won a title. I would bet you had him 5-10 before this year, like everyone else.
by nets14 on Aug 16, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Had him at 6 I believe to start the season, at 4 before the playoffs. And what's your point?
These are current lists, they are fluid. They change every year.
I have Melo at 14, but in years past I’ve had him as high as 7.
It’s not a bandwagon, it was unbelievable play after an awesome season and the best players in the game that were ahead of him floundering and playing waaaaaaay below his level.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Dirk's talent
hasnt changed since the beginning of the season, just because of one playoff run. he is all of a sudden a better player?
DOESNT CHANGE THE PLAYER HE IS
Wade did it too in 06, yet he is extremely underrated. He did it with a worse team, down 2-0. Why isnt Wade #1.
yes, it most certainly does
and what does it mean, “change the player”. The player is based on performance, including performance under stress.
No, it doesnt.
Dirk isnt better than Lebron, Wade or Dwight. As a player, Dirk isnt as good on Defense as any of them, not as a good a rebounder as Dwight OR Lebron, and can argue, that he isnt as good of an offensive player as Lebron or Wade.
Isn't as good on offense as Wade or Lebron?
Huh?
Your criteria and angles are strange.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Can prime Rip Hamilton or even Ray Allen get to the hole like Corey Maggette or Devin Harris?
Your whole argument, angle, style, is paper thin.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
what does that mean???
“better player” Did he make his team better than Nowitzki did? No.
Is there a better PF in the NBA than Nowitzki?
Wade is not the sme player he was in 2006. He has suffered a number of injuries. Last year, Nowitzki was the better player.
People get fooled by highlights.
He did in 06
people seem to forget how he brought his team back down 2-0, just because of this new hatred for the heat.
Wade is the better defender, equal scorer, very underrated passer.
What does 5 years ago have to do with today?
Does that make Kobe still the best player in the game too?
by Clayton Balch on Aug 16, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Kobe’s 2011 stats — 25 ppg, 5 rbs, 5 ast.
Wade’s 2011 stats — 25 ppg, 6 rbs, 5 ast.
by Clayton Balch on Aug 16, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Goes to show how good Kobe is.
Keeping up at this age.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Wade isn't the same player
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
nets14 wrote:
He did in 06. people seem to forget how he brought his team back down 2-0
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO
Wade’s performance in the 2006 finals is the closest one I’ve ever seen to those MJ had with the Bulls back in the 90s.
Wow.
Really?
Yes it was a great performance, but seriously, how badly did the refs aid them in like 3 out of 4 of those final 4 games?
It was LAL/Sacto game 7 level rigging for at least 2 of them.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
And ones that shouldn't have even been.
They had a replay on of game 5 I believe a few weeks back on NBTV.
I watched most of it, wanted to see how I perceived it when I wasn’t caught up in the moment and when I knew what I was looking for.
Man the 4th quarter was comical.
I mean there was this one sequence in particular where Dirk was just mauled, somehow got the rebound, practically gets his head taken off going for the follow, then the ball skips out to I think Terry, he fakes a shot, takes a few dribbles, pulls up from about 10 and Wade might as well tackled him.
Still no foul.
Ball squirts out again, I believe Devin Harris grabs it around the 3 point line, gets practically molested by a diving Payton I want to say, start a semi-fastbreak, Wade winds up with it, gets a medium little bump going up for the layup and the whistle was blown before the contact was ended.
Crazy stuff.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait a minute NI, havent you said that the Heat have first and second best players
in the NBA?
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I agree with Lowe's top 3.
Wade, Howard, James.
I don’t think we even realize how incredible we can become with Dwight Howard on this team, it can practically guarantee trips to the ECF. That’s why I feel sick when I see a comment like “I would maybe trade Lopez for Howard straight up”
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Would be interesting
since Miami’s 2 weakest positions are the 1 and the 5, while ours would be the wings, where the Heat have the best sg/sf punch in the game,
Very interesting indeed.
They have the best perimeter defense, but we would have the best defensive player, one who could anchor a defense all on his own. Like Lowe said, put Howard on your team, and you instantly have a top ten defense at worst.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we become the team to beat.
You don’t need 3 stars, you just need 2, one being a top 5 player of that year, with a tight supporting cast and maybe a 3rd semi-star.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO, we'd need
a PF and a wing who can space the floor
a lock down defender who can play either the 2 or the 3.
Well think about this:
Wade is 29, Howard is just 25. Very soon I think Howard will easily be known as a better player than Wade.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Kinda odd you have Wade and Lebron above Dirk yet
both of them together couldn’t beat Dirk in a 7 game Finals series. Improving your level of play at the most important time of the season is the definition of a great player. Who improved their level of play the highest in the Finals?
by Clayton Balch on Aug 16, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
nets14 wrote:
Wade did it too in 06, yet he is extremely underrated.
4th best player in the league on my list is underrated?
Wade can’t get past the 1st round for years upon years by himself yet he makes it to the Finals and gets beat with an Olympic Dream Team and it catapults him to the best player in the league?
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
he is underrated
Nobody can do it by themselves. Dont say Dirk did it either, Cause he had an extremely deep team, with great defense.
I don't even know where you're going with this anymore, you're talking in circles at this point.
Above you’re arguing to me how Wade won the title by himself, now you’re telling me no one does.
Normally no, no one wins it by themselves.
But Dirk is part of an elite group that you can count on a single hand in league history who won it all without even a top 20 player beside him and no other star.
It happens about once every 20 years.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Never said he did it by himself.
I said he did it with LESS TALENT. Pay attention. I said he had Shaq.
How come if Dirk is so good he never won a title...
before this year ? I think some people are confusing a great playoff run with being the best player. Dirk has been a great player but I never heard anybody call him the best player in the NBA. Wade, Lebron, Kobe, Howard all would come before Dirk.
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@darooster8 we are a small but intelligent group of superbeings.
I think some people are confusing a current top player list with an all time or all decade list...
And his MVP year in 06 he was widely considered the best player in the league, same goes for the year GSW upset them.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Best skills player probably...
But not best team player or leader, yet.
A-Rod in baseball, for years, was considered the best overall player, but as a leader and team player he fell short for along time.
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@darooster8 we are a small but intelligent group of superbeings.
He made the top 500...
But aren’t there only 450 rosters spots available in the NBA (15 × 30 = 450) ?
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@darooster8 we are a small but intelligent group of superbeings.
Oh my lord, Durant is still only 22?
He has so much room to grow, I really think he can put up Allen Iverson/ Michael Jordan scoring type of seasons in the future.
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Ugh... Allen Iverson...
He’s already a better player then A.I. was in his best season(s).
Iverson, maybe the single most overrated player in NBA history…
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
when Durant gets his team to the Finals
let me know. Iverson was not overrated. He was the best 6 footer in the history of the game and also one of the gutsiest going into the lane repeatedly.
It's a shame what happened to him, it really is.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
And a gambler I thought, too.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup.
Banned from a ton of casinos all over the country for incidents as well.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Iverson was a great player, but not nearly what his legend was.
He was an inefficient chucker who couldn’t play with anyone of worth around him.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow.
Allen Iverson is one of the best point guards in NBA history, point blank. Overrated? Seriously?
by JerseysFinest. on Aug 16, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
it was the jordan effect
every guy with talent at 6’-2" thought that they HAD TO BE their team’s go-to scorer and point guard…
Allen Iverson was Allen Iverson
Jordan was a much more team-oriented player than AI was, but he was still one of the best players in NBA history. If it weren’t for his attitude, he could’ve gone much further, and thats why we’ll all be left wondering what could’ve been.
Same with T-Mac and injuries, and VC if he cared more
by JerseysFinest. on Aug 16, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
there are a ton of players that fall into this scope
but AI was a warrior, no doubt. i don’t think iverson ever had his pippen when he was in philadelphia
A.I. couldn't play with a Pippen. He was the anti-team player.
The definition of selfish and refusing to change for the better of those around him and the ultimate goal.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
you give an all-time great
a good teammate, and we’ll see how bad of a teammate the all-time great actually is
He was still in his prime with Melo.
He was a lot more efficient, but his impact was relegated to what it always would have been playing with an equal level player.
And he hurt that team as much as he helped it as well.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
And Iverson is not Jordan like, or Pippen like.
AI’s usage rate was always ridiculous, that’s the point.
His legend is manifested by his size and heart and style of reckless abandon, combined with his insane over usage and off court thug image that so many young people were relating with.
Is he a great player?
Yes.
Is he nearly as good as perceived?
No.
Should he have ever been such a focal point of a team in the first place?
Absolutely not.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm not saying they're the same player
i’m saying that a generation of point guards thought they were jordan, or certainly tried to play like mike
True.
Iverson’s usage rate is just criminal though.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you mean defense?
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I always LOL @ that line.
T Mac cause of injuries, but VC cause of attitude.
Truth is, VC came back from equal if not more devastating injuries then T Mac and T Mac was a lazy SOB with awful work ethic his whole career and didn’t even deny it, in fact admitted it on occasion.
This is a guy who claimed he was going to retire at around 26 in a press conference cause he was crying about his team being terrible and he was semi-serious.
That interview with John Thompson is what people will always remember VC for, even though Thompson has been quoted numerous times saying it was cut up and edited purposely to paint VC as a lazy loser and villain and he feels horrible about it and wished it was never aired, cause it was taken out of context and not fully truthful.
VC is not Kobe. He does not eat, breathe, sleep B Ball and that’s a shame.
But he’s not some emotionless dog that has no passion for the game, no work ethic and doesn’t care.
He still loved the game and for most of his career gave his all.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great post
TMac even admitted he quit on the Magic yet he never got so much hate as VC did for leaving Toronto the way he did.
JKidd went as far as faking a migraine to get the heck out of here and that didn’t get all the criticism he deserved nation-wide.
VC learned his lesson and was nothing but a class act when he left the Nets, even tho he was wasting hist last 2 truly good years on a rebuilding team going nowhere. VC gets mad respect from me.
+1
And although Kidd was probably our more important player, VC IMHO was our best player during their entire shared tenure.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
injuries served justice for t-mac
carter hopefully jumps on a contender for cheap and gets that ring the way mitch richmond did at the end of his career
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Aug 16, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said
VC was an “emotionless dog that has no passion for the game, no work ethic, or doesn’t care.”
But I’d wager many people would agree that VC had so much talent, yet he did not put it all to use. As you said, it’s a shame, because had he been like Kobe and basketball lived for the sport, he could’ve been even more amazing of a player.
But without a doubt, he is one of the best players to play the game.
by JerseysFinest. on Aug 16, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
People are just mad VC never became Jordan v2.0
And your follow up post unintentionally illustrates that.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish he did as well
Guy just had so much talent, I feel like if I say he could’ve been Jordan of the 21st century that’d be reaching, but he could’ve been very close. Oh well I guess
by JerseysFinest. on Aug 16, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
My Top 10
10. Rose
9. Melo
8. Dwill
7. Kobe
6. Wade
5. CP3
4. Dirk
3. Dwight
2. Durant
1. LeBron
ik you will all hate Lebron for being first but seriously, hes so damn good
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Ew, he put Bynum ahead of Lopez by more than ten spots.
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This is true, but more than then spots?
And after a poor playoffs (which included an outburst)?
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Rings doesnt factor into who is the better player.
Lopez is the better player. Bynum cant stay on the court.
So let's say Brook was playoff tested, and he performed as well as Bynum.
Would he be ranked better than Bynum? Still worse?
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
he hasn't
so the point is moot. when he does, then comparisons can be made.
here’s the point….“better player” to me should be based on contribution to the team’s success. I know the Lakers have more talent but at this point, one of these two players has shown that he can rise to the occasion.
It’s not jus about athleticism or scoring or whatever else can be measured on an individual basis. It’s also about rising to the occasion.
Bynum has been shown to rise to the occasion?
Sort of like a 67 year old without his Viagra.
You could have replaced Bynum with Side Show and the results would have been the same.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe Brook can throw his body into more players to climb up the list
Bynum is overrated, his attitude is terrible
Partyin @ the playboy mansion while injured
waiting to have surgery until almost the start of the season
parking in 2 handicapped spots @ 1 time
dangerous flagrant fouls
by DJ HeavyDuty on Aug 16, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
look who bynum had, Kobe? Bynum has never had to deal with double or triple teams, if Lopez had Kobe, he contributes A LOT more than Bynum did.
Net Income wrote:
Bynum was tested. He contributed to two NBA championships.
Barely.
Does this make Marion a better current player then Iguodala?
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
how can you compare marion and iguodola?
bynum and lopez are around the same age although bynum has about 3 extra years in the league
iguodola and marion are years apart and marion is/was a speedball 4 with range/defense to play a three while iguodola has always been a ball-handling forward/guard hybrid slaher
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Aug 16, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
nets14 wrote:
Rings doesnt factor into who is the better player.
Lopez is the better player. Bynum cant stay on the court.
Hey hey! For once we agree on something!
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
True Lopez hasn't played in the playoffs
but overall Lopez is better. He isn’t injury prone, and the last time Bynum was in the playoffs they got wrecked and he had that outburst
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better?
what does that mean exactly?
Would Bynum contribute more to the Nets than Lopez would to the Lakers?
What has Bynum even really contributed to the Lakers?
You could have replaced him with a plethora of bigs and the results would have been the same.
This is a guy that averaged 21 minutes per game during the 2 Finals runs, one year with Brendan Haywood numbers, impact and minutes and just wretched raw and advanced stats.
The other year he was a standard issue 1st big/7th man.
This year when he was leaned on and put up some numbers with an expanded role they failed miserably.
Now I’m not trying to put the loss on him, but I’m doing it for effect, cause you seem to be propping him up as some major contributor to the titles they have when nothing more can be further from the truth.
He was a big body who was there.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
no bynum would not help the Nets more than Lopez
Lopez has never had the players Bynum had.
Could Lopez help LA more than Bynum? probably not since his game mirrirs gasols
by DJ HeavyDuty on Aug 16, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't get the fascination with him.
I guess it’s called “being on the Lakers”
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we should all just feel very happy and forunate
that we can say we have a top ten player in the NBA.
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Well at least to this analysis.
But it is silly to place Deron outside of the top ten in any list.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
That Lebron video is disgusting
Lebron gets ripped and dunked on by a smaller, less experienced player, and then comes down the court and turns the ball over on a weak drive to the basket and passing the ball.
Lebron cant dominate Taiwanese players weeks after training with Hakeem? Rediculous
Are you kidding me?
You must be right? You realize it’s an exhibition game where he’s just toying around?
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nope
its about killer instinct. He doesnt have it. The lane was wide open when he drove to the basket and he passed it for a turnover. Thats his game.
Hes too busy hiding his hairline. Yes its exhibition but I dont remember too many people dunkin on MJ in the offseason.
by DJ HeavyDuty on Aug 16, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
This is seriously hilarious
There is absolutely no way you can take 2 plays out of an exhibition game in Taiwan and determine that Lebron has no killer instinct.
If he played at 1/4 the pace he plays in the NBA, those kids on the court would be crying.
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I don't even know what to say.
Wowsers.
I mean… I can’t even… stunning…
That video was funny though.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahahahahahahaaha
the killer instinct to embarrass players in a pick up charity event?
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by lemmetakeutodamovies on Aug 16, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
My Top 10
10- Melo
9- CP3
8- Dwill
7- Rose
6- Dirk
5- Howard
4- Kobe (still the best closer in the game)
3- Durant
2- Lebron (he cannot be #1 until he proves he can play in the 4th quarter in big games)
1- Wade
i like the list
but melo doesn’t belong, and Dirk and Kobe are on their way out….
straight up rankings always fall prey to this debate…. i’d like to see the rankings of “who would you start a team with if you were starting from scratch?”
guys like d. rose, durant, lebron, dwight, CP3 and DWill would be at the top of the list
I'm still easily taking Dwight, Lebron and Durant over Rose in that order in that scenario.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I can understand why you take Durant. But Rose is 22 years old and already on the level of Lebron and Howard.
Lebron and Howard are in their pime. Rose has another 2 years before he hits his prime. Imagine how good he is going to be then… This kid has a chance to be one of the great players of all time…
That's where I vehemently disagree.
Rose isn’t even on the level of Deron or Paul at this point IMHO.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Paul and Williams are better passing playmakers...
But rose is a better scorer, defender, faster than both, far more athletic, and has shown to be a good leader at the young of of 22. The kid was MVP at age 22 (that’s sick). Many sportswriters give him best PG in the game (even over Dwill and CP3). I do not believe he is a better “pure” point guard. However, I believe he is just as good of a player as those both. And in 2 years, he will be light years ahead of both of them…
I love this new Rose is a good defender angle all the Rose lovers are using lately.
At best he’s gotten to overall mediocre and average when he wants to defense.
I don’t put him as a better point guard then the other two, I don’t put him as a better player.
He can surely become that though, he’s already a great player with so much room for growth.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not a chicago fan. But I love that kid's game...
I can understand the argument for dwill being better than him right now. I don’t agree, but i can understand the argument. However, CP3 looked a stepped slower all last year after the knee surgery. Besides the one great game against the lakers, he didn’t show many signs of his former self after the surgery. I would have to see him play this year and see if he is back close to 100% before i can think of him as top 2-3 PG again
I don't buy the Rose hype
He’s good, but I never thought he was the MVP. Somehow, people get this trend going about him being the MVP and then he won it.
Really baffles me actually. I don’t think he’s on the same level of PG as CP3 and Deron.
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Dwight probably should have won.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
How is he not on the same level as Dwill and CP3?
In his third year in the league he has matched both of their success in the league by making it to the eastern conference finals. He did this in a conference where he had to go against Miami’s big 3 and Boston. He did this with little to no help offensively. As a matter of fact, some may say that he surpassed CP3 and Dwill because he won the MVP and he led his team to 60 wins (something that neither of the other 2 ever did)….
i hear you
but that’s why 30-35 year olds never make my top 10 list.
#1. Dwight
#2. Durant
#3. D-Rose
#4. Lebron
#5. Deron Williams
#6. Chris Paul
So if a guy entered the league at 25
He wouldn’t hit his prime until 31?
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Um, yes.
Because that’s when he performed his best.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
If a guy comes into the league at that age, 9 times out of ten he is going to be no more than a limited role player...
It’s but so much his game will grow. Not that it wouldn’t grow. His ceiling would be very low…
Thibedeou (hope i spelled that right) has rose becoming a very good defender... He is already a far better offensive weapon than Howard...
Rose over Howard hands down
This is true. But rose is light years ahead of the other young athletic PG's.
I don’t care about position. He has a special game that is only getting better.
other than his athleticism
i don’t think d.rose is light-years ahead of anyone.
the guy everyone loves to destroy shut down d.rose in one of those “you voted this guy MVP and left me off your ballot?!?!?” kinds of performances
Name we a wing player Lebron cant shu down?
I may dislike lebron, but he is a beast of a defender. As far as rose compared to other young athletic PG’s, which one is at Rose’s lever? And please don’t say westbrook. He runs right past the basket and blows layups. Nevermind the fact his teamates hate playing with him…
For all the people that don't think Nene deserves 12-14 mil per year.
Check out how much the players that are ranked near him get paid.
Tim Duncan, Chris Bosh, Al Horford, Rudy Gay, Andre Iguodola, Andrew Bynum, Andrew Bogut,
Josh Smith, Joe Johnson.
Does he not deserve to get paid like these guys?
by Clayton Balch on Aug 16, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem is 6 of those players you just mentioned are all very much overpaid
by aug93 on Aug 16, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Some of those guys are under paid too.
by Clayton Balch on Aug 16, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Which one of those guys in underpaid?
Tim Duncan is old, Chris Bosh is worth 12-14 million (maybe), al Forford is worth about 11 million a year, Rudy gay is way overpaid, so is iguodola, so is bynum, so is bogut, so is josh smith, so is joe johnson…
Although I agree more or less some of those guys are overpaid, all of us get too obssessed with that term sometimes in the NBA.
The way we throw it around, there probably aren’t more then 30 players in the entire league not on rookie contracts who are properly or underpaid.
It comes down to the level of overpay relative to a players impact, role and need on the roster attached to his trade value if he needs to be moved.
To me, Bosh isn’t that overpaid, nor is Horford, Josh Smith, Bogut or Gay for the simple fact these guys should all still have immense trade value for the present and future.
Now guys like Iggy, Bynum and Joe Johnson are just straight albatrosses.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
To me Al Horford and Josh Smith are slightly underpaid,
And Bogut is definitely underpaid.
by Clayton Balch on Aug 16, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
There's also something to be said about market value.
Guys like Rudy Gay and Joe Johnson would have been given near/full max by a lot of teams in the NBA. Teams have to pay to get good players. If Rudy Gay hit free agency, the Nets were reportedly set to make him an offer. I could guarantee that we would have offered close to the max. That’s just how it is.
In terms of Nene, some team is going to offer him 12-14 million, maybe more, per year. So it really comes down to this: do you want good players on this team or not? If the answer is yes, then Nene Hilario is worth 12-14 million dollars as per his market value.
by Clayton Balch on Aug 16, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
overpaid how?
if people still come out to see them, it was a good investment…and with the exception of Bogut, each of their teams made the playoffs and all but Igoudala advanced beyond first round, as I recall.
Joe Johnson received a bigger contract than both Lebron James and Dwayne Wade... Joe Johnson is way overpaid
Joe Johnson is a #2 or #3 scorer at best on a good team. There is no way he should be getting paid like a #1 guy. This is why teams never reach greatness. They are giving too much of their salary cap space to players who do not deserve it. Now that Atlanta has given Joe Johnson all of that money, who else can they sign? Atlanta is a 45 win team at best and they are maxed out on their cap space. That’s horrible management by their front office.
Rudy Gay received the same contract as Kevin Durant. That is insane. Rudy gay is not even a top 20 player in the NBA. And he is getting the same money the future best player in the NBA is getting? Moreover, Gay’s team flourished when he got hurt. They played better without him. Now they are stuck with that contract and they may lose Gasol if there is a hard cap coming because they just paid Z-Bo as well. That was too much money invested in Gay.
Josh Smith is getting paid like he is a 20 point 10 rpg player. He has never averaged either. 16 ppg and 8 rpg is not worth 12-13 million a year…
Andrew Bout never averaged over 16 ppg. How is he worth 12 million a year? He has been in the league 6 years and during that time his team has never saw the second round of the playoffs. Most of those years they have never seen the playoffs. He is being paid like a go to guy, and he is a #3 option at best on a team.
This is why so many teams are bad in the nba. They spend too much money on players who cannot lead a team to victories. They max out their cap space to fight for the 6-8th seed in the playoffs.
I think you're relying a little too much on stats.
Andrew Bogut is one of the best defensive centers/forwards in the league. Couple that with a very solid offensive game and that’s a player that’s worth more than he is getting paid especially considering he’s a big.
by Clayton Balch on Aug 17, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
For the top image
I believe he said it wouldn’t be that dark, but close. I really like the last image of Barclays at night.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the top image is an updated version.
The one he said “it won’t be that dark” looked much darker (I couldn’t even make out the seats). I think this level of lighting is perfect.
Great place to bring a date...
when the action on the court gets boring…
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Yep you are correct.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I am assuming he screen capped it and uploaded them to photobucket?
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Screen capped images from the video, that is.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I use a program called Jing.
Can screen cap and do simple editing. Can instantly save your screen cap to your computer or upload it as a link (helpful or SBN sites).
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
You can screen grab any video using "Print Screen" button on the keyboard
Turn off hardware acceleration first though.
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by eLonepb on Aug 16, 2011 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You can't put a number on Ewing
He is that great. It’s also the number of championships he brought to the gahdun.
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6. M
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2. A
1. !
Brook-Brooks-Brookyln
LET'S DO THIS!
by OneCGuy on Aug 16, 2011 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
wow STAT at 19???
lopez 49 sounds about right
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 16, 2011 2:22 PM EDT reply actions
You want lists ? How about this one...Pretty interesting...
http://ko8e.blogspot.com/2010/02/best-nba-players-by-position-2000-2010.html
Best NBA Players by Position 2000-2010
Point Gaurds
2000: Jason Kidd
2001: Allen Iverson
2002: Jason Kidd
2003: Jason Kidd
2004: Chauncey Billups
2005: Steve Nash
2006: Steve Nash
2007: Baron Davis
2008: Chris Paul
2009: Chauncey Billups
2010: Deron Williams
Leader: Jason Kidd/Chauncey Billups (3)
Shooting-Gaurds
2000: Kobe Bryant
2001: Kobe bryant
2002: Kobe Bryant
2003: Kobe Bryant
2004: Kobe Bryant
2005: Kobe Bryant
2006: Kobe Bryant
2007: Kobe Bryant
2008: Kobe Bryant
2009: Kobe Bryant
2010: Kobe Bryant
Leader: Kobe Bryant (11)
Small Forwards
2000: Grant Hill
2001: Paul Pierce
2002: Tracy McGrady
2003: Tracy McGrady
2004: Tracy McGrady
2005: Tracy McGrady
2006: Lebron James
2007: Lebron James
2008: Lebron James
2009: Lebron James
2010: Lebron James
Leader: Lebron James (5)
Power-Forwards
2000: Tim Duncan
2001: Chris Webber
2002: Tim Duncan
2003: Tim Duncan
2004: Kevin Garnett
2005: Tim Duncan
2006: Dirk Nowitzki
2007: Dirk Nowitzki
2008: Kevin Garnett
2009: Pau Gasol
2010: Dirk Nowitzki
Leader: Tim Duncan (4)
Centers
2000: Shaquille O’neal
2001: Shaquille O’neal
2002: Shaquille O’neal
2003: Shaquille O’neal
2004: Shaquille O’neal
2005: Shaquille O’neal
2006: Shaquille O’neal
2007: Yao Ming
2008: Yao Ming
2009: Dwight Howard
2010: Dwight Howard
Leader: Shaquille O’neal (7)
Top Recipients:
PG: Jason Kidd (3/11)
SG: Kobe Bryant (11/11)
SF: Lebron James (5/7)*
PF: Tim Duncan (4/11)
C: Shaquille O’neal (7/11)
*Only played in 7 seasons
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by M I K E on Aug 16, 2011 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Why are you linking to some amateur website?
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
They same reason I post on an "amateur" website...
Professionals aren’t the only one’s who opinion’s count, especially when talking sports…
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@darooster8 we are a small but intelligent group of superbeings.
SBN is very different.
You linked to a simple blogspot blog.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I could of told you I made the list up myself...
I thought that person made up an interesting list and I have seen hundreds of lists by professionals that didn’t interest me the way his list did.
Some people will only read the NY Times or the Wall Street Journal.
I guess some people are snobs when it comes to sports too ! (LOL)
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07-08-09 i think even espn made it clear D WILL was far better than others
and CP3 was hurt after that WCF run. and with PF Timmy got rings 1999-01-03-05 so have a little argument about that!
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Aug 16, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know if any body has commented on that 401-500 list by ESPN...
but Travis Outlaw’s name didn’t appear on it.
Is Outlaw rated higher or did he not make the top 500 at all ?
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Hey Jerry, do you know if these two are buddies?
BlackBoiPachino Anthony Morrow
@DwightHoward wat up big homie
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Just about everyone can play a roll in recruiting Dwight
D-Will offers the chance to form a formidable 1-2 punch
Ammo and Brooks have the Georgia connection
Outlaw, of course, can offer hula-hooping lessons.
Outlaw can give him hints on how to work hard
and how to get paid out of this world
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Outlaw is from the South too !
Mistakesippi I believe…
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memories for the corner of my mind.
http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/gid/1/grid/A/rid/8549/sid/6232/game.html
He was China’s high scorer with 7.
Not a bad game for Yi...
2-11 with 4 rebounds in 26 minutes…Lead the team in scoring with 7 very important points !
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HE IS THE NEXT DIRK!!!!!!!!!
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 16, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He only had a career game like that because chair wasn't there
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I see a Bo Zhang with 13.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Must be a typo... (LOL)
Zhang had 13 low quality points. Yi’s were high quality. Take quality over quantity every time !
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@darooster8 we are a small but intelligent group of superbeings.
If Yi didn't score those seven points...
China would of lost by 35 points…Yi made it close.
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westbrook is a younger d rose
with less hype because he plays in a cowtown…. give it a few years and people will be swinging from his walnuts… i honestly wouldnt be dissappointed at all if dwill gets flipped for him
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Aug 16, 2011 3:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Funny cause they about 30 days apart in age and from the same draft class...
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
yea youre right
i bet you really wanted d rose to be the younger one when you googled that tho…. laoo
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Aug 16, 2011 3:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
i honestly wouldnt be dissappointed at all if dwill gets flipped for him
i would
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by netsareboss on Aug 16, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
i think the marbury comparisons for westbrook are a bit premature/unfair
but seriously, even with time to grow i dont ever see him being as good a PG/team-player as D-Will
by sheepareevil on Aug 16, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
He'll never be a pure PG
But that doesn’t mean he can’t be a productive player that brings a team to 60 wins ala Rose
Doesn’t matter how you win as long as you do it
yea i think his strengths can be utilized
i always thought (maybe it wasnt true) that marbury and garnett could have worked really well if they stayed together, maybe its a similar thing. just please, for the sake of basketball fans everywhere, defer to Durant more. that 3ot grizzlies game was so frustrating.
by sheepareevil on Aug 16, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Well it's partly Durant too
Durant struggled just as much in that series, so you can’t tell the guy to keep giving it to the star that’s having a hard time. Westbrook is an opportunistic player, he sees an opening, and that’s his cue to attack it like a rabid dog. That’s his playstyle and why he’s dangerous. A lot of Scott Brooks’ offense called for him to stand around and wait for stuff to happen as well, so when things don’t go as planned, he’s forced then to have to make something out of thin air and have to cast up a bad shot
All in all, I don’t think it was all his fault
i dont either
i think the criticism got way overblown cause of today’s re-blogging culture or whatever, like “let’s all jump on Westbrook!”, but still, they do need to work out their dynamic more, but hell not like Wade and LeBron have it perfect yet.
by sheepareevil on Aug 16, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
At least people are posting today...
Every so often bad blood must be spilled. As long as it ain’t my blood, I thinks it’s kind of healthy…up to a point.
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@darooster8 we are a small but intelligent group of superbeings.
These gifs and images are getting to be a bit tiresome !
LOL… I leaving now before the crap really hits the fan…
Goodnight boys and promise to behave…
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@darooster8 we are a small but intelligent group of superbeings.
Lol wut?
It was a joke man.
You know you joked of blood spilled…
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 16, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope this is sarcastic
you’ve been the NetsDaily gif leader since murs/2dopeboys left (RIP)
by sheepareevil on Aug 16, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Humps wedding
Is Deron going?
I wanna see the team there together.
from what i understand, a LOT of people from the Nets are going
front office, players, coaches….and just maybe, the future Prime Minister of the world’s largest country.
No way.
Kim won’t let someone that much wealthier than her attend her wedding, haha.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
AP article says yes
http://www.buffalonews.com/wire-feeds/24-hour-national-news/article524379.ece
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Team official: Nets to attend Kardashian wedding
By BRIAN MAHONEY, AP Basketball Writer
NEW YORK (AP)—The New Jersey Nets can accept their invitation to Kim Kardashian’s wedding.
A team official says the Nets have been granted permission to attend the reality star’s marriage to forwardKris Humphries(notes) on Saturday in California.
General manager Billy King and other members of the Nets’ basketball operations department are expected to attend the ceremony of their free agent forward, the official told The Associated Press on Tuesday on condition of anonymity because the guest list was to remain private.
With players and their teams not supposed to be in contact during the lockout, they must check with the league about events where they would be together. Weddings are among the special cases the NBA has allowed, such as when Heat All-Star Chris Bosh(notes) got married earlier this summer.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-nets-kardashianwedding
Well
It’s how the Knicks friends of mine are justifying the entire list as a farce and unworthy of any analysis. Oh yeah, “haters” too.
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I read his analysis
And it does make some sense that a player like Deron who is very polished in many areas whereas Durant is very adept at only scoring, creating shots, defense, etc. In regards to Melo and Amare, they are a pretty low for guys of their talent, but I do not think they’re even in the top 10.
by JerseysFinest. on Aug 16, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
And of course combined with shoegate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNcfvSoRCug
Reallyyyy makes you think about effort level. I mean, I know the Nets haven’t had a game that meant anything in years, but you’ve still got to bring it all out there
what the hell happened there
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 16, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Just gave up
when he think the opponent is gonna get the rebound, he stops trying to get it, same situation with shoegate
this
i’m trying to figure out what was going on in his head to prompt that reaction. did he think the shot went in? did Wilcox dis Princess Peach?
by sheepareevil on Aug 16, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
i know Brook deserve blame and all that
But there’s no way he’s not top3 center in the league simple fact havent missed no game’s first option on the team with no help,etc Chandler with all do respect to his value for the chip run wasnt even a 3’d option. 1-D12 > 2-M Gasol > 3- BLo.
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Aug 16, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
and he still put average 27ppg on NYK
so pls give him some love, in addition if there’s a season ( i hope not ) He’s the one who would be most attractive to Magic not only draft picks.
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Aug 16, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Year with Kiki really hurt his development
As did him not being able to play on the National team because of Mono.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
that ESPN rateing list
i already printed it out and out in the bathroom so i could wipe my butt with it. Players should be valuued by their impact to the team not celebrity.
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Aug 16, 2011 6:53 PM EDT reply actions
how can you rate rookies?
Did they played 1 game at least?
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Aug 16, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
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