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NetsDaily Off-Season Report #13

Okay, now it's becoming addiction and probably not a healthy one. Even though PNY Center is shuttered and top executives have taken their families on vacation, the Off-Season Report continues. Why? Because it's the Nets and unlike any other team in the New York area, there's real news to analyze.  We look this week, of course, at Deron Williams' decision to go cold Turkey on the NBA; examine the Net effect of Yao Ming's decision to retire; analyze the prospects for a lost season; discuss Mikhail Prokhorov's other labor problem; reveal Travis Outlaw's contribution and point to one fan's existential crisis and ultimate redemption.

Star-divide

Every Sunday, we’ll be updating the Nets’ off-season with bits and pieces of information, gossip, etc. to help take the edge off missing the playoffs, and now the lockout. We will relyi on the Nets’ beat reporters and others who slip interesting stuff into larger stories, blogs, tweets...plus our own reporting and analysis.

Cold Turkey

No one has heard more about the Nets globalization plans --and first hand from the boss-- than Deron Williams.  Remember what Prokhorov said last February, that he would make Williams a "global star"? One has to think that promise resonated, maybe a bit ironically, with Williams when he decided to do a deal with Besiktas' Black Eagles and take his talents to Istanbul.  Who needs a Russian oligarch to make you a global star when you have an aggressive agent and a willing team owner 5,000 miles away?

Do we think he will ever play in Istanbul? Don't know. We do think the lockout will last into August and September but we wonder if there's some progress then, will D-Will start to think "maybe I should wait a while before packing up the wife and the kids for Turkey". We also find it interesting the press conference to announce the deal will be held somewhere in the United States, not Turkey. Nothing says commitment to a team like waiting till the last minute to join them. Or maybe Williams remembers the madhouse when Besiktas introduced Allen Iverson last year and would like to put it off until the last minute.

But for the sake of argument, let's assume he does...and ask a series of questions.

First question:  Is there any indication that his relationship with the Nets front office is problematic?  No, he didn't tell the Nets he was about to sign with Besiktas, but that may have to do with the lockout rules, which look increasingly silly. He, Billy King and Avery Johnson did have dinner and a golf date in San Diego two days before the lockout began.  King tweeted that the threesome had a "good time." (Did D-Will's new agent, Jeff Schwartz, make it a golf foursome? He lives and works in Southern California.) More importantly, Williams arranged for those teammates still under contract and the team's rookies to spend time together in two separate sessions at Peak Performance Project in Santa Barbara. It was about building chemistry and providing each of the nine with a personalized regimen to work on during the lockout. Both the veteran and rookie sessions took place just before the lockout and lasted several days. It was all D-Wiill's idea. So let's be optimistic (and realistic) and think Williams is still happy with the Nets, with Prokhorov and with their plans for the future, noting that he wants to see a better roster whenever the season begins. Of course, we don't know that.

Second question: Whats' the upside for the Nets? Well, he'll be able to play and rehab his wrist and we'll be able to follow his progress. After losing so much time over the past TWO seasons to his wrist injury, it's going to take some playing time to get him up to speed. So that's to the Nets advantage, considering any training camp will be short. There'll be no worry about him being in shape when the lockout is over. It will help the Nets' global plans assuming everything goes well. Who knows, maybe Prokhorov will drop by Istanbul to watch a game or two.  He vacations every summer at the Turkish resort of Cetesi, near Izmir, 350 miles away. It's one of his favorite wind-surfing venues. He's also building a huge resort complex there. The boss can't talk to Williams or have any contact, but showing up at a game would show commitment. The arrangement also puts more than subtle pressure on Prokhorov to push for an end to the lockout. He can't be happy seeing his star player, the cornerstone of the franchise's future, playing in, as Henry Abbott wrote, a "chippy league" with chippy facilities and chippy players.

Third question: What's the downside for the Nets? Injury is the first thing that pops into fans' collective head. Is there some player in the Turkish League who wants to make a name for himself and decides to take Williams down?  He will be the No. 1 target of players and fans of the opposition. It is not uncommon for fans in some of Europe's outlying venues to toss heated coins and batteries at the opponents' star players. Another concern is the lack of NBA qualify facilities at Besiktas. Team USA used their facilities as a practice court last summer during the World Championships. Those who've been there didn't think much of them, at least compared to NBA and top-flight college programs . The arena holds 3,200. That's about the size of a decent Division III college arena and quarters are tight.  Fenerbahce, where Bojan Bogdanovic plays, is also in Istanbul but there are big differences. Fenerbahce's operation in near-NBA in quality.  Are there are other downsides?  Of course, there are. We just don't know what they are...yet.

Bottom line: do we like the idea? On balance, nope. There are worse things that can happen during a lockout than your star player putting on a few pounds. It all just makes us nervous.

Net Effect: Yao Retires

The news Friday that Yao Ming will retire has short and long-term effects for the Nets. Short-term, the Nets hold the rights to the Rockets' first round pick, 1-14 protected, in the 2012 Draft. Everyone believes 2012 is going to be one of the best ever. What that means is that if there is a season and the Rockets make the playoffs, the Nets get the pick.  If not, the pick becomes lottery protected in 2013. That scenario continues through the 2016 draft, after which the pick becomes a second rounder.  The Rockets, without Yao, made a playoff run last season and it's possible in a shortened season they could make it this year. (Anything is possible in a shortened season. The Knicks made it to the Finals in the last one.) They've added Jonny Flynn and had a very good draft with Marcus Morris, Donatas Motiejunas and Chandler Parsons. But the only center on their roster is Hasheem Thabeet.

Long term, the Nets' plan for globalization will be hurt by the lack of any Chinese players in the NBA next season. Yi Jianlian might get an offer because of what he offers from a marketing perspective, but there are no great young Chinese players who are NBA-ready.  Are we saying the Nets should grab Yi?  Not at all. Been there, done that. So, if Yi returns to China, which is increasingly likely, there won't be a single Chinese player in the NBA for the first time in a decade, since before Wang Zhi Zhi joined the Clippers in 2000. Without a Chinese presence in the entire league, any NBA globalization plan becomes more difficult.

Sobering Whisper

K.C. Johnson covers the Bulls for the Chicago Tribune. He wrote on Tuesday: "Here's a sobering whisper: Twelve teams (reportedly) have told Commissioner David Stern they will lose less money sitting out a whole season than playing a shortened one. The owners are in for the long haul, with a hard salary cap the goal."

What that means is almost half the NBA owners have no economic incentive to make a deal, no economic incentive to make a compromise...and every economic incentive to wait the players out, even if it means a lost season. And as the economy shows signs of weakening, things are not likely to get better soon. But is it all about economics?

Maybe not. Presumably one of those 12 teams is the Nets. Has to be. Does that mean Mikhail Porkhorov is a lockout hardliner?  Economic interests would suggest he is, but as Matt Moore of CBS Sports notes, "Mikhail Prokhorov did not get into this business to lose an entire season, the last he has Deron Williams under contract." Besides, the economics are not likely to affect him that much either way. Under his agreement with Forest City Enterprises and Bruce Ratner, he agreed to eat up to $60 million in team losses while the Nets remained in New Jersey. That money ran out a year ahead of schedule, FCE reported last month.  So any relief from the losses will accrue to Ratner's people...and they no longer have a vote on the Board of Governors.

We have to think as well that other owners in that dirty dozen aren't all about the money. Not that any of this makes us much more optimistic. There are still no scheduled talks between the two parties.

Prokhorov's Other Labor Problem

Mikhail Prokhorov's biggest Russian problem, electorally speaking, is something he proposed a few months back. To reverse the lagging Russian productivity rate, Prokhorov proposed, or at least seemed to propose, a 60-hour work week.  You can imagine the reaction among unions. 

Prokhorov, who heads the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs, aka the "Oligarch's Union", told Komsomolskaya Pravda that the 60-hour plan had come from hard-up employees looking to boost their earnings. He  said extended hours would be voluntary, and no worker could be forced to do more than 60 hours in a week.

Not a good idea, retorted the leader of Russia's biggest union, who also noted that Prokhorov wants other changes in the law, in essence, to make Russian labor laws more like American labor laws. Under Prokhorov's plan, laws would permit greater latitude in firing people and greater use of temporary workers. The union leader called it, "a new kind of slavery".

Prokhorov is now being hammered for his plan as election season gets going. Parliamentary elections are in December. And for those who don't think Prokhorov is in it to win it, and willing to take the risks, there's this: this week, he said he's in favor of privatizing one of the three state television networks so it could criticize the government.  The men who run Russia went to great and often extreme lengths to secure governmental control of the media, particularly television.  Hearing a candidate, and one with resources, make this a campaign issue cannot be comforting to Vladimir Putin.

Fun Facts from the Financials

CNBC's Darren Rovell got ahold of the Nets latest financial statements this week and did his analysis of them both online and on television.  He also provided a link to the underlying document.  Here are some of the details buried in the legalese...

--The arena developer, Forest City Ratner, "will plan, develop and oversee construction of the Arena for a fee not to exceed the lesser of $7,000,000 per year or 5% of the total project cost at completion". Through June 30, 2010, $35 million in development fees have been incurred and presumably paid out to Forest City Ratner. With a projected cost of $1 billion, the development fee could reach $50 million. That's in addition to a guaranteed rate of return.

--In June 2010, Mikhail Prokhorov provided Brooklyn Arena Co., which is building Barclays Center with a $75.8 million loan at 11% interest over three years, meaning it expires in June 2013. The loan proceeds are being used to finance infrastructure at the arena. If the loan is not paid in full, "the loan converts into an equity position in Brooklyn Arena based on a stipulated formula."  As we have noted before, various Nets insiders tell us if that happens, Prokhorov's interest in Barclays Center will jump from the current 45% to between 75% and 80%, the same percentage he owns in the team. The same insiders believe that it will happen, that by the beginning of its second year of operation, Barclays Center will be controlled by Prokhorov. And even if that doesn't happen, Prokhorov (or his successors) have the right to buy out Ratner's interest during a four-month period following the 10-year anniversary of the arena's completion...so late in 2022.  Similarly, Ratner (or his successors) have the right to buy out Prokhorov's interest in the team during that same timeframe, late  2022. 

--Under the sale agreement, Prokhorov actually paid $223 million for his interest in the Nets and the arena, including a $40 million "down payment" in December 2009, two months after he agreed to buy the team and six months before he took control. As reported here and elsewhere, Prokhorov also agreed to fund team losses while they remain in New Jersey up to $60 million. That includes operating losses; debt service; cash considerations to sweeten trades ($7.5 million by our count); the buyout of the IZOD Center lease ($4 million); front office additions etc. Also coming out of that "Jersey Fund" as we like to call it, was $15 million to reimburse an advance to keep the team running between March 1, 2010 and May 12, the day he took over. The advance apparently came from Forest City Enterprises, Ratner's parent company. The "Jersey Fund" was supposed to last two years. It ran out last month. So now Ratner's interests have to finance "100% of the operating needs, as defined, until the Arena is complete and open."

--The team's debt as of June 30, 2010 was $207 million, an extraordinary number, in that it equals nearly the full value of the franchise.  No professional sports team, at least in the United States, carried that level of debt.

--Contracts for naming rights, suite licenses, sponsorships and concession agreements, as of June 30 of last year, totaled $190 million over the first five years of arena operations. There's no breakout of what Barclays is paying for naming rights.

Bottom line after reading through the financials: This team was in even more desperate shape than we had previously  thought.

Outlaw's Contribution

Hasn't been a great week for Travis Outlaw, who's been ridiculed here and elsewhere for two stories coming out of Starkville, MS. The first was on how his "entourage" of family members thought he was too "stressed out" about his $35 million contract and didn't perform at the highest level. It was followed quickly by another on how his father thought he overheard Avery Johnson say he wanted Travis to put up 17 shots a game. Probably didn't help that he shot a career low last season.

Now, there's a report that Outlaw is the biggest single campaign contributor to Hattiesburg Mayor Johnny DuPree's run for governor of Mississippi.  The state's leading newspaper reports he has given $4,600 to DuPree's campaign, its largest cash contribution. DuPree, a Democrat, doesn't have much of a chance of winning.  Nothing wrong with that.  In fact, it's good to see players exercising civic responsibility and truth be told, Outlaw does a lot of positive things for his community, which is poor.  In fact, both the stories discussed above were the result of the Outlaws opening up on Travis Outlaw Day in Starkville. Sometimes, you can't win.

Final Note: A Fan Speaks

Mike Lucas is a long-time Nets fan who set up a new blog, "Nets Pride", this week (the more the merrier!) In his inaugural post, Mike wrote about the trials of being a Nets fan, particularly the despair he felt last February when the Nets failed to trade for Carmelo Anthony, how he considered switching sides and becoming a Knicks fan in those 36 hours before the Nets grabbed Deron Williams...when the consolation prize looked ominously like Devin Harris for Caron Butler's good knee. 

He wrote his post before the spate of bad news at the end of this week, but what he wrote has a lot of relevance to where we, as Nets fans, are now.

It seemed the proverbial planets had aligned and the only thing I could do was sit back and think to myself, "was I meant to be a Knicks fan?" Disgracefully I logged onto their website, read their blogs, tested the waters to see if I could really betray my team without withering up and dying of shame. But that is when I realized that I couldn’t do it. That’s when I realized that I had Nets pride. I couldn’t explain it.

There’s a bond that we develop with our teams that I believe doesn’t need to make sense or be relevant to anyone but ourselves. Sports mean something different to everybody who watches them, whether it’s just a way to relax and think about something other than your stress, or feeling accepted into a fan base bigger than anything you’ve ever been a part of. And in some form of Karma for putting up with these past few years, we were blessed with a blockbuster trade bringing in resident All-Star Deron Williams.

So hang in there.

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The only thing that will have my intrest is dwill signing an extension ,video of nets players working out together ,or something about Dwight Howard

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by idrise12 on Jul 9, 2011 5:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

NetsDaily is an addiciton

Brook Lopez is the MAN!
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I don't really hate Outlaw, its just fun to make fun of him

by netsareboss on Jul 9, 2011 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Yawn. So we learned that Prokhorov won't beat Putin. The lockout may never end & outlaw is using his money for charity.

Can the nets get a tax exemption for giving outlaw $35 million bucks since it’s going to charity and the democrats? No? Well than …

by Gr8tness on Jul 9, 2011 5:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I know this is sort of old news but

I wonder how the fact that which team Hump chooses will affect weather he gets a reality show affects the nets? Proky is a master businessman. Could it be he is using his influence to put Hump in a position to take less money which helps the team while making up for it with a fat TV contract? Russians are known for their ability to master the back channels.
Well, food for thought on a slow day.

"We all have to decide for ourself how much sin we can live with"

by NEWPORT on Jul 9, 2011 5:48 PM EDT reply actions  

no can do

Dolan floated the possibility of giving LeBron a separate contract through Cablevision.

League dumped on it.

by Net Income on Jul 9, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course,

but there is a big difference from signing a player to a contract with another company you own and influencing others that you have business relationships with to do so.

"We all have to decide for ourself how much sin we can live with"

by NEWPORT on Jul 9, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha-whether, my bad

"We all have to decide for ourself how much sin we can live with"

by NEWPORT on Jul 9, 2011 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

you guys are very under appreciative

NI, works to put this together and all you have to say is Yawn?

by nets14 on Jul 9, 2011 5:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Gotta agree with that

and I dont even like the NI character. He’s smug, punkish, and deletes posts that challenge his “facts”….but give the guy some credit…He does work hard at this..

by NetProfit on Jul 9, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who are you to decide that

"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jul 9, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

NetsDaily is the only one who deletes posts

NetIncome and the rest of us simply flag posts for removal

The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists

R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"

by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 9, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

And why would they delete a challenge

to NI where the loser would donate $1,000 to Chris Carrino’s charity?

by NetProfit on Jul 9, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont make the rules

i just follow the ones i cant bend

The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists

R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"

by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 9, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll throw it out there again..

I said that Corzine faxed a Bid to Katz that was higher than Ratners…Katz disqualified it saying it came “too late”…NI states that this is false…Of course, he is wrong…

I say, lets get Carrino and Dave Dellasandro involved. If it’s false,I’ll give Carrino’s foundation $1,000 dollars. If it’s true, NI will give $1,000.

by NetProfit on Jul 9, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll be going out now..

Im sure the above post by me will be gone when I get back.

by NetProfit on Jul 9, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

i love how your name

is so similar to Net Income’s.

by nets14 on Jul 9, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to Dave D

It wasnt late at all…It was ignored since it was faxed and no one claimed to have received it on time. Again, this is the story Dave D. tells…I believe the reason Katz favored Ratner was some sweetheart parking lot deals that were supposed to come. Not sure how that worked out…

by NetProfit on Jul 9, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cheater

Don’t flag me

by Zartan on Jul 9, 2011 8:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

because it contained other offensive language and a personal attack

that is one of the two or three times I did it to keep things from getting out of hand.

by Net Income on Jul 9, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

So when you said to me before that you never delete posts

What you meant was you did delete my post. That sounds about right for you….

And there was no offensive language in that post. It was simply a post calling you out and you couldn’t answer the bell NI….So you deleted it…

by NetProfit on Jul 9, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

the SBN site mod

listed at the bottom of the page

The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists

R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"

by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 9, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

What? Look at the bottom of every page on NetsDaily.

NetsDaily manages the site. NetsDaily isnt just the name of the site, it is a user (the admin).

"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jul 9, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have deleted a handful of posts

since we have started taking them. That duty rests with NetsDaily and others.

I have on occasion deleted obscene references to women and some scatological crap (nice turn of phrase?). On two or three occasions, i deleted posts that I thought were going to become an issue. I don’t have the power to ban anyone so I never have.

by Net Income on Jul 9, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice

a look behind the scenes at NetsDaily

by NJNETS29 on Jul 9, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't have the power to ban someone?

Then who does?

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by i says on Jul 9, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

props to NI for putting this together with nothing to work with really

even if i dont agree with everything he says i respect the mans dedication to a team that is barely dedicated to its fanbase

deron williams is better than kyrie irving

by William_H_HOLLA on Jul 9, 2011 6:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

we have a great sbnation blog via the editors and writers

there are other sites with writers just as dedicated as NI but with less enthusiastic fans than the pre-lebron cavs

and then are sites with minimal updates but somewhat serious fans and others where both sides have checked out

i’m trying to work my way down to life without basketball that way when it comes in october I wont go into heavy withdrawal symptoms

The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists

R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"

by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 9, 2011 6:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Jeremy Lin has Chinese parents--does that count as Chinese?

>>So, if Yi returns to China, which is increasingly likely, there won’t be a single Chinese player in the NBA for the first time in a decade, since before Wang Zhi Zhi joined the Clippers in 2000.<<
  
Jeremy Shu-How Lin has Chinese parents. Do you only count someone born and raised in China as Chinese?
  
The big point is that Lin is a good basketball player, but not a star. One or two scrubs sitting on the bench won’t matter much to the Chinese market, IMHO.
  
>>Outlaw’s Contribution<<
Travis Outlaw is a nice fellow and I think he’ll play much better next year with Deron Williams in the lineup. He’s just ridiculously overpaid. At $15 million instead of $35 million, he’s a nice addition. I really liked him in Portland.

Texas slang in a Big Apple minute, by a friendly OED consultant. http://www.barrypopik.com

by barrypopik on Jul 9, 2011 6:23 PM EDT reply actions  

wang zhi zhi wasnt good either

but since he was the first and over-hyped he became real popular. i watched him in Dallas and said “what makes this guy special?”

and i believe sun yue was the first Chinese player to win a title(via riding the very end of the bench on the Lakers during their three-peat era)

i like Lin but he never had “american star” potential like Yi, Wang, and Yao did. such a terrible way for yao to go out. this basically started when he rushed back from foot surgery to play in Beijing Olympics. that’s when he started to erase years off his career

The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists

R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"

by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 9, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Asian pioneers--Rex Walters and Corey Gaines?

From Jeremy Lin’s WIkipedia page are the names of two former Nets players:
  
Lin considers himself a basketball player more than an Asian American. He understands that there are not many Asians in the NBA. “Maybe I can help break the stereotype,” said Lin. Asian Americans who have played in the NBA prior to the 2010–11 NBA season include Wataru Misaka, Raymond Townsend, Corey Gaines, Rex Walters, and Robert Swift.

Texas slang in a Big Apple minute, by a friendly OED consultant. http://www.barrypopik.com

by barrypopik on Jul 9, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

robert swift is considered asian?

like joe alexander or something?

The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists

R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"

by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 9, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

it;s the thought that counts

I dont ever recall other than Bill Bradley’s campaign or Obama’s where an NBA player has given that much.

by Net Income on Jul 9, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

They usually have limits on campaign contributions...

nice to see that a rich guy like Travis is a Democrat…

by M I K E on Jul 9, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol

He gives money to people that already take money from him.

by Gr8tness on Jul 9, 2011 7:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

kinda curious... wats the site traffic for netsdaily in terms of

other blogs… we have to be one of the top in terms of comments, members, stories, posts etc.. ??

by blazin pp face on Jul 9, 2011 6:53 PM EDT reply actions  

3rd among SB Nation basketball blogs

Boston and Portland have bigger audiences…although if Billy King stays active we can catch them! Nothing gets us as big a bump in traffic as a trade, a rumor of a trade, a draft pick, etc.

by Net Income on Jul 9, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where do you find such statistics?

And do you have any idea how NetsDaily ranks among all SB Nation Blogs?

Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.

by David28 on Jul 9, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

3rd? sounds impressive, but

…is that really a major feat considering that some other SN Nation basketball blogs pepper their sites with pictures of baby animals? just sayin’.

by brother_rat on Jul 9, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

i feel lucky

that I am an optimist and generally happy.

by Net Income on Jul 9, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont get the hate on NI

sure the guy can be a bit snippy, but for the most part, he makes good posts and creates good discussions, just because you dont agree with the way he does it, doesnt take away from the work he does. i have seen a lot of hate against people lately on this site for unusual reasons.

by nets14 on Jul 9, 2011 7:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I dont like him in the least

But I will never take away the work he does. He does work hard at making this site relevant. But his attitude is poor…

He needs to remember, the Nets are going to become far more popular and have far more blogs when they move to Brooklyn…We’ll have options that don’t exist today.

by NetProfit on Jul 9, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll try to remember that. I live in fear of it actually.

and by the way, calling me a punk or punkish earlier, whichever it was, should have gotten your post deleted.

by Net Income on Jul 9, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope you do try to remember it

Because your work is good..but you have this “its my ball” attitude..There will be so many options once they move to Brooklyn…I’d like to stay here and loyal to this site..but you make it very hard sometimes….

by NetProfit on Jul 9, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

what is your deal?

what can NI have possibly done to make you hate him this much? He’s made smart remarks to me plenty of times, its all in good fun. Some are to sensitive i guess.

by nets14 on Jul 10, 2011 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Net Income

No better team blogger – but sometimes a short fuse. I’m a happy consumer here.

by PigDaddy3 on Jul 12, 2011 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's great that we got Deron

But that was only half the battle. The other half is very well known; re-sign him. All Nets fans seemed to rejoice and think that the “Net curse” of 12-70 and no free agents, and no John Wall was over once we got Deron, but the truth is, is that it’s yet to be decided.

All of the hopes and dreams of the Nets, their fans, and their owner rest on one man’s signature. If you thought you might turn to the Knicks when they got Carmelo, think about if Deron leaves. We all know what we gave up, and we all know it will all be lost if he doesn’t re-sign, but it was an undeniably necesary move that had to be made by BK.

Now the entire future of one franchise that is set up so perfectly for either monumental success or monumental failure, rests on one man. I just dont even want to think about the depression and anger that will occur on this site and others if he does not sign with the Nets.

by The Big Russian on Jul 9, 2011 7:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I understand your sentiments but believe me...

The Nets will go on with or without D-Will…

by M I K E on Jul 9, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

So a guy we didn't even have on our radar screen..

when we all thought that Carmelo was the only answer, becomes the next only answer ?

I don’t get this savior mentality…

Did any of you guys play sports when you were young ?

by M I K E on Jul 9, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

yup....when you give up your pg(not a great one but one with some value)

your #3 overall pick you were banking on developing, another 1st rd pick…..it does become the answer…..because if he leaves it sets us back at least a few years…..the prospects of going into a new building as contenders become all the more bleak if he walks…..who else is going to come and play for us? The Brooklyn Arena only goes so far….we’ve seen the Jay-z cool factor has no pull….Sure everyone wants to play for a rich owner who’s willing to spend, but if the 1st superstar he gets bolts after 1+ season, or worse, 12 games played, how does that reflect on his ability to put together a good team and make a superstar happy? We’re all ok with being crappy for a good amount of time in order to get better…..but when you’re crappy as hell (almost setting the record for least wins in a season) and you get a glimmer of hope that you know can turn your franchise around, you say to yourself this guy will lead us, we need him….if you lose him, you’re back to square one….and as much as i like brook lopez, he’s not a superstar to build your team around…..he’s a very good, borderline allstar #2 or #3 player on a good team…..waiting on a good draft to get better takes too long, and that’s what we’ll be stuck doing if Dwill walks…..it is the harsh reality of what we’re dealing with here….so yes the doom and gloom attitude i feel is completely justified….we’re nets fans, we know how this usually goes down!

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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jul 9, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand what your saying...

but the Nets have to stop begging players to sign with them…

Nets management seem to think they have found a shortcut to NBA success…

I say work hard, take your time, have some luck along the way…and sees what happens…

Like the owner of the Cleveland recently said “There are no shortcuts”….

by M I K E on Jul 9, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i agree

hopefully the nets dont have to learn this the hard wat

deron williams is better than kyrie irving

by William_H_HOLLA on Jul 9, 2011 8:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

on the other hand

if Brooks turns out to be lottery talent, than why do I care much that Nets gave up a lottery pick to get D-Will.

by Net Income on Jul 9, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly !

You never know what’s really going to happen…even though you think you do.

by M I K E on Jul 9, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I do "know" one thing for sure...

I will still be a Nets fan until the day I die…

And at the rate things are going, that will be real soon…

by M I K E on Jul 9, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

"And at the rate things are going, that will be real soon…"

Have you bee receiving death threats…?
Lol, I know the debate over the lockout has been heated, but this is ridiculous!

"The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven"

by aunt-B on Jul 9, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, if they lose D-Will

expect a lot of Russians in the front office.

by Net Income on Jul 9, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe that was Prokhorov's and his Euro cronies blueprint for success...

Billy King admitted he wanted to end talks with Denver sooner, but his bosses thought there’s only one way to skin a rabbit…

What did Dave “D” call Proky when he joined the NBA ?

NBA dumb ?

by M I K E on Jul 9, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I keep reading the Nets gave up a fortune for D-Will

He replaced Harris, so that’s a big nothing.

The Jazz got Derrick Favors who may or may not be a solid player. It is unlikely he will be a big offensive threat. Good defender but I can assure you that the Nets were never completely sold on him because of his lack of passion.

The Jazz got Enes Kanter in the draft. Good for them but suppose MarShon Brooks is a lottery level talent. Do I care that the Jazz took a guy who the Nets wouldn’t take? And what about buying Bogdanovic, who several people said could be the steal of the draft (or a great trade asset)

Next year, the Jazz could go well with the Warriors pick, but it can’t be higher than #7. If the Warriors make the playoffs, it goes in the late teens or early 20’s. Great draft, but there is no guarantee its a great player. (It is also theoretically possible that the Nets wind up with the Rockets pick and the Jazz don’t wind up with the Warriors pick. For that to happen, Rockets have to make the playoffs and the Warriors have to be in top seven of the draft after the lottery.)

by Net Income on Jul 9, 2011 8:28 PM EDT reply actions  

agreed

Harris will never be a star or leader of a team. In reality would be better as a bench player for a contender..

Favors has a long way to go and the fact they were shopping him from day one says a lot

Kanter could be good but its like a lottery ticket

At worst, if Deron comes back and says he is leaving (doubtful) maybe we can convince both him and OKC to join up and get back Westbrook. .wouldnt put that past King

by orangeeater on Jul 9, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

On Harris:

The best he can be is a fourth option on a team with stars. LA, Miami, NY seem like good fits

Dwill/?/Josh Smith/Humphries/Superman

2012 NBA Champions

The biggest 14 year old Nets fan on the planet.

by i says on Jul 9, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

for DWill that was nothing

It is even more clearer that DWill is not really about the place, having him on your team gives you access to him to show what you are better than any free agent wooing one can do. He is a top ten talent and the most appropriate one for us.

What we gave up is absolutely nothing. I liked D Fav but if I need to choose between him and Dwill in his prime it is not even close. Even if Favors becomes a top two talent his overall impact will be far less than what Dwill has

by SunilP on Jul 9, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

BK is a boss. He’s put in work since taking over.

Dwill/?/Josh Smith/Humphries/Superman

2012 NBA Champions

The biggest 14 year old Nets fan on the planet.

by i says on Jul 9, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

the idea that the Nets lost anything

outside of Derrick Favors is ridiculous

I would make that trade ten times out of ten.

by MrDollarBills on Jul 10, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Porky should make a run at Yao

Why not? Doubt he comes back. but.. even if he played 10 minutes.. it would make us THE international team… still can sign Nene. Maybe Yao would be wooed by Proky??

by orangeeater on Jul 9, 2011 8:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Let's face it

This franchise has been marginal and unlucky from the get-go. J-Kidd briefly rescued it with the help of some good draft choices but then Ratner stepped in and made things worse than ever.

The franchise’s luck hasn’t gotten any better with the lockout and the possibility that Proky is losing interest because of his involvement in Russian politics. There’s also the very real possibility that DWill will leave after next season, whether there’s a next season or not.

Meanwhile, NI has in my opinion done a great job of keeping this site alive and humming. But I’m curious as to why he apparently denies that Corzine got outbid for the Nets back in 2004, when the NYT reported that he and Charles Kushner had put together a bid that Ratner beat. Here’s what the NYT said back then:

“Several days of intense negotiations led to the agreement with Mr. Ratner, who raised his bid to $300 million a month ago. Mr. Kushner stuck to his $267.5 million offer for two months and only raised it to $300 million today. But it apparently came too late for serious consideration.”

Would that the Corzine/Kushner bid had won and they had bought the team!

by jsg on Jul 9, 2011 8:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Mike I love the way you think

honestly I don’t know if the Nets will keep Deron or not. I know that it is not a lock as some people think it is. I know that if Deron feels it is best to leave Jersey and the Nets he will do it.

Nothing about Brooklyn, Billionaire owner, billboards and all that other crap won’t matter. It’s all about winning games and competing for the prize.

Lebron said it best. " I wasn’t interested in being a savior."

Mike said it best. Deron stays or leaves we will still be Nets fans. Deron leaves yea we are in a crappy place. Yea we look like fools. Oh well life goes on. We will move on

My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.

by killa kadafi191 on Jul 9, 2011 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

youre missing a big point

you separate Brooklyn, billionaire owner, billboards “and all that crap” from winning.

They are intrinsically linked.

And that is Mike’s point…and in spite of his vast collection of images, it is the most relevant point to keeping Deron or any other success the franchise has.

by Net Income on Jul 9, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

not a big point because we can have

brooklyn, a billionaire owner billboards and all that other crap and it won’t mean nothing if the nets are still a lottery team.

Again. When people were talking about Melo Lebron and other big time free agent. I hardly ever heard “Well they would be coming to a Nets team that is ready to compete.”

It was always the things that had nothing to do with what was done on the court.

With that being said that stuff doesn’t mean nothing if the Nets can put together a squad that Deron, heck any big time star feel that can compete in this league.

Brooklyn only goes so far and I seen where it stops.

Again it’s about winning

My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.

by killa kadafi191 on Jul 9, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know

no offense but you were saying BK and Jay-Z relationship with Lebron.

How did that work out.

Melo and Jay-Z. Being born in BK??

how did that work out??

My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.

by killa kadafi191 on Jul 9, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Point being we NOW have a superstar, yes?

"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jul 9, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

we are no longer selling potential, or the future. We now have Brooklyn coming up very soon and major progress has been made on the Barclays center. The idea of going to Brooklyn is no longer that far in the future, and is becoming reality. But yes, most importantly, we have Mr. Deron Williams on our side recruiting for us which I believe will ultimately lead to us building a very competitive team which will convince him to stay (he will recruit ala Stoudemire)

by dwill8brooklynbound on Jul 9, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amare was signed

again we have to convince Deron first and foremost. The battle is not done. I am not saying King and others are not up to the task but the same way people say Chris Paul and Dwight could leave the same reality goes for the Nets.

With that being said Amare was signed and locked with the Knicks.

There is a difference. Players know.

 Remember how many stars said they wanted to come to Cleveland but Lebron would never commit made them nervous.

Again

My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.

by killa kadafi191 on Jul 9, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

In a matter speaking so do Orlando

the Hornets as well.

Cleveland had theirs too. The Raptors too.

My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.

by killa kadafi191 on Jul 9, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except those teams have NOTHING coming for them whereas we do.

"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jul 9, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, now the Cavs do.

"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jul 9, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

what do you mean

those teams with the exception of the Raptors are or were playoff teams.

Yet their stars were and did leave for what they thought were greener pastures.

We have won how many games in the last two years??

Yes BK is coming but again as Lebron said winning meant more than becoming a savior.

Again if the Nets are not winning you can believe all that other stuff won’t be enough to keep our superstar who can opt out.

My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.

by killa kadafi191 on Jul 9, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

As of now things are NOT looking good for NOH and ORL.

Dwight STILL has not signed an extension he once claimed didn’t exist. Chris Paul’s best compliment is coming off of ACL surgery and might not even be back in New Orleans. There is nothing attractive about these organizations for future free agents. We DO have something attractive, and thats is what I feel Net Income is trying to get at. A brand new arena in the world greatest city, the richest owner in American sports, an elite PG makes us attractive. That is all a part of winning. With these things we can become winners. These things all link together.

"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jul 9, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

lebron is supposed to be alpha dog

but in reality he could stay in cleveland and only bring one other max guy(wade or bosh). wade had no interest in leaving MIA even though the cavs had a better roster than the heat the last 3 years

they wanted to play with each other. no one was going to toronto. the best they could be was an also-ran in the playoffs, jay triano could not coach a lick of d, and colangelo botched the roster up pretty bad.

if lebron stayed in cleveland everybody would have made cleveland their first choice even though its a crappy city to play in. but he wanted the superteam and had faith that coach spoelstra could be just as good or better than mike brown(who i think lebron sincerely believes is a solid nba coach)

these three wanted to play together and get their money. everyone else would have jumped ship and taken paycuts. once it became evident lebron, wade, and bosh were teaming up all other players went after the money(stoudemire, david lee, carlos boozer, tyrus thomas, rudy gay, drew gooden, brendan haywood, joe johnson, etc), players with no leverage to get paid by contenders and enough to force middling teams to overpay

stoudemire is such a bad example though. phoenix wanted to keep him but they were not giving him 100 mil. he left a team one good game from him away from making the nba finals to a team in purgatory because they gave him the money

what is the difference between the nets the last 3 years and the knicks the last decade? we have d-will and i agree we have to improve the roster this offseason before next but d-will understands no one is going to come if he doesnt commit.

stoudemire committed because of the money. d-will? how much improvement does he need to see to re-up and lure some elite talent to the team? and this isnt orlando stuck with a 90 mil payroll or new orleans with the nba running day-to-day operations.

c’mon last year the knicks were trotting out chris duhon, t-mac, gallo, d. lee, harrington with wilson chandler and his bad ankles, eddie house, larry hughes(still a free agent), sergio rodriguez(back in spain), eddy curry(still a free agent), john bender, earl barron, darko, bought out brian cardinal, and took cuttino mobley and his bad heart all on the payroll

the only holdovers were douglas, gallo, chandler, and the pieces they got from the D. Lee S&T (buike never played and got waived due to injury, randolph- traded, and turiaf)who arrived AFTER stoudemire agreed to sign with the knicks. so from the 2009-2010 season to now the only players still in new york dating back to that season are toney douglas and ronny turiaf. everyone else either left as free agents or ended up being traded for carmelo

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 10, 2011 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

None of those are "destination" places

Brooklyn is in the HUGE NY market and the exposure playing in NY is unreal. We are also moving into a billion dollar new arena with a very rich owner who is willing to invest anything to win. Also, none of those teams had any cap space in recent years so players knew they had no room to improve. And lets be honest, if Lebron was playing in LA or NY, not Cleveland players would have joined him regardless of whether he would commit. Money talks and the endorsement oppertunities in a big market along with Deron will convince players to come here.

by dwill8brooklynbound on Jul 9, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

you are still not talking about winning though.

endorsements, exposure, rich owner.

The Knicks had all this and what big free agents did they land when they were crap??

How did having Amare sign with them and winning games help. Leading to Melo and interest from other potential free agents.

Free agents were willing to come to cleveland because of lebron because they felt they could win and play with on of the best players in the league. Despite the location.

The only problem was fully committed to the Cavs and that made people nervous.

again

winning.

My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.

by killa kadafi191 on Jul 9, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

We will be winning though

If we make some free agent signings like Nene and Prince or something along those lines, we would be a 45-50 win team. Even with only signing an AK or Prince I still feel we’d be a playoff team. There’s the winning. Then add in all of the things like rich owner, superstar PG, brooklyn, and we become attractive. Once again, Lebron played in CLEVELAND with a team of all veterans and no cap space whereas we play in NJ/NY market with tons of cap space/rich owner plus we’d already be a playoff team IMO. I think that is very attractive to potential FA.

by dwill8brooklynbound on Jul 9, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

again

no offense but you were saying how BK Mikhail and other things would lead to big summer for the NETS in 2010.

where was the connection then??

Where was the connection when it came time to court Melo??

Again the Knicks had all of the things that you are bragging about yet why did it take Amare and and winning season to lead to their change around.

again.

Wins.

My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.

by killa kadafi191 on Jul 9, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

What attracted Amare? It certainly wasn't winning.

It was more like big market, or biggest market.

"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jul 9, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

a 100 million

dollar contract fully guaranteed

My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.

by killa kadafi191 on Jul 9, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

not winning, money. We have money and probably will be a playoff team too.

by dwill8brooklynbound on Jul 9, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Point proven.

"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jul 9, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Killa We will be winning!

Next season we will most likely be a playoff team just like the Knicks were this past season.

by dwill8brooklynbound on Jul 9, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying the Nets

won’t be. I am saying it will take more than glitter lights and all that other stuff to keep him.

My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.

by killa kadafi191 on Jul 9, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

"glitter lights"

what utter bull.

There’s no use in debating you. You simply do not understand how the world works.

“Glitter lights”. Contemptible.

by Net Income on Jul 9, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea and you do

again the guy who said Krstic would be an all star.

The same guy was putting money Melo wouldn’t be a Knick.

Wait what did you recently say Dwight would be moved by June 30.

How about this Netincome you say something that actually happens.

Make a prediction that comes true.

Don’t know how the world work??

I do. You are the one who lives in your own world.

When you are wrong you deny even saying it.

So again.

Don’t be mad that you are always wrong.

Again the same guy that Kevin Durant would opt out.

The same guy who said the Knicks didn’t have what it take to get Melo?

The same guy who was saying the Nets would be major players in the 2010.

The same guy who makes a mountain out of an ant hill.

Terrence Williams is horrible teammate but Travis Outlaw is cool despite coaches gm and family saying he came in to camp out of shape??

You are full of it.

So go ahead think of excuses on why you wrong like always.

My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.

by killa kadafi191 on Jul 10, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

what is the difference???

Again no offense but before you were saying how free agents would flock to the Nets. Based on BK, big time owner and everything that had nothing to do with winning.

We have Deron but he has stated many times his goal is to win. If he feels he can do it with the Nets will stay if not he will go.

What has changed???

The point remains the same in order to have superstars commit to the Nets it’s about what happens on the court and in the Win and Lost column.

My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.

by killa kadafi191 on Jul 9, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said flock to the Nets

never.

And the Nets haven’t moved to Brooklyn yet.

I am always amazed at how no matter what positive is evident to most of us, you will find a negative in it.

And if you don’t understand what has changed, and changing since last year, I’m not going to go into details.

by Net Income on Jul 9, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't have to go in to details

again you didn’t say the Nets would be major players in the 2010 free agency??

again. Sorry if you find realism to be negative but again the point remains the same. Wins matter.

Again you were not saying Rudy Gay?? Front loading contracts etc etc etc.

Again the Nets were not in BK did that stop you from saying that they had what it take to court free agents???

again.

Wins and Losses.

the point from this year and last year is the nets need to still convince superstars that their franchise is worth playing for.

only difference is we have a lockout going on.

My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.

by killa kadafi191 on Jul 9, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

The money will ultimately mean something Killa

At some point, even if Deron were to leave, the Nets will have money to spend and an owner willing to spend it and it will be a top free agents or 2 best option…

I also agree, if Deron were to go, life will go on and the franchise will recover. They have never had deep pockets in the NBA. They have them now and whether it’s Deron or some other all-star free agent, someone will take it sooner or later.

Then they will start winning and getting guys will be easier.

by NetProfit on Jul 9, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

the Nets had money last season

where did it go?

Now we have Deron and we have attention from other free agent that we wouldn’t had received before but again it only works if Deron feels the Nets are a team he can compete with.

billboards about the blueprint of success is cool but without success it is a joke.

My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.

by killa kadafi191 on Jul 9, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nets had money last year

but so did a LOT of other teams…

Like I said, it will eventually work. Money always talks…Maybe not in the timeframe we all wanted but it will work.

by NetProfit on Jul 9, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes the Nets had money and a lot of other teams

but the Nets were a team that won 12 games. When Melo was being courted he saw a team that was already likely out of the playoffs and the Knicks who were in the playoffs and had Amare

My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.

by killa kadafi191 on Jul 9, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but if all goes right we will be a team that wins 45 or so games and has Deron Williams

isn’t that just what you described about why Melo chose the Knicks (we’d be in playoffs like Knicks and have a superstar just like Amare was, and we’d be going to NY just like Knicks)

by dwill8brooklynbound on Jul 9, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

They wont always have 12 wins

But as long as Prokys around, they will always have money…and you are bypassing that I said, EVENTUALLY, that will work. I am not saying it worked last year or this…THere are only so many teams that will have cap space every year. Once the Nets get one long term contract signed by an All-Star, it will snow ball….I believe that.

by NetProfit on Jul 9, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree I am not saying it will or won't work

I am saying it can’t be all about glitter.

The Nets could have all of the same things but won’t mean nothing if there are a lottery team.

That is why I love that Deron is putting pressure on them to improve and they are feeling the pressure

My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.

by killa kadafi191 on Jul 9, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

but if we had d-will since day 1 of the season with the same roster

would melo not find the team attractive? assuming d-will got this team off to a .500-ish record by the trade deadline?

everything went wrong with new jersey ten fold the last three years and last year they tried to use money as their leverage but unless they were handing out some horrendous contract, there were plenty of other teams that had money as well or could retain their players(nets, knicks, suns, heat, cavs, raps, bulls, hawks, warriors, mavs, celtics, grizzlies, blazers, thunder, kings) everyone from the best to the worst had money and had free agents that could have left

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 10, 2011 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

A year ago

the Nets had an owner who had no record…no one knew him. He had made promises but promises are promises, not a record. He had bought the team three days before the draft lottery, six weeks before the beginning of free agency.

the Nets had a GM who had announced he was quitting in a couple of weeks…and a brand new coach.

the Nets had three scouts and three assistant coaches. They stayed in second rate hotels, traveled in second rate charters and unlike other teams didn’t have things like a team chef, a team statistics analyst, a sports psychologist and probably the most advanced sports technology program in the NBA.

the Nets played at the worst venue in the NBA and were two years away from a permanent home.

by Net Income on Jul 9, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

again knowing all of that you felt then

they would be players in the 2010 free agent market???

My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.

by killa kadafi191 on Jul 9, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, what options did we really have?

Lebron/Wade/Bosh? They were probably collaborating about teaming up since the olympics, we never really had a shot.
Johnson? He got a HUGE contract that just wasn’t worth it for us anyway
Gay? He resigned with Memphis very early on and admitted later on that he regretted not testing free agency (we could have gotten him if he waited)
Stoudemire? Only the Knicks were stupid enough to give him 100 million uninsured.
Boozer? The Bulls gave him more money so he went there (they overpaid anyway)
Lee? Also overpaid and Knicks decided to S&T
Dirk? He was never leaving Dallas

No one was really ever even an option for us (good thing we weren’t the ones to overpay for Boozer/Lee)

by dwill8brooklynbound on Jul 9, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

and guys like tyrus thomas and luis scola

who would not have been worth the money but i would have rather seen an injured t. thomas than outlaw

The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists

R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"

by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 10, 2011 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Deron Williams
Brooks
Prince or AK
Nene or Hump
Lopez or Dwight

Dwill/?/Josh Smith/Humphries/Superman

2012 NBA Champions

The biggest 14 year old Nets fan on the planet.

by i says on Jul 9, 2011 10:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice.
Jwilliams20 Jordan Williams
I love #NETSNATION @Marshon2

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by NetsMets4Life on Jul 9, 2011 10:24 PM EDT reply actions  

At first i didn't like him

But i think he’ll be a fan favorite.

Dwill/?/Josh Smith/Humphries/Superman

2012 NBA Champions

The biggest 14 year old Nets fan on the planet.

by i says on Jul 9, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean Marshon or J-Will?

"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jul 9, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good answer.

"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jul 9, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Jordan

I’ve liked Brooks a lot since day 1.

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by i says on Jul 9, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

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