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Why Nene is underrated

In order to solve the mysteries surrounding Nene, let's look at solving all of the questions people have about him

Star-divide

 

If Nene was so good, why didn't he get the ball more? Why can't he even score 15 points a game?

To answer this, we will look at a statistic called usage rate. What is usage rate? It is the percentage of possessions a player uses while on the court. If a player has a usage rate of 20%, then 20% of the time while he was on the floor, he either scored, assisted, or turned the ball over. Basically, how much a guy touches the ball.

So what does this have to do with Nene? Well take a look at his usage rate compared to the guys he was playing with:

Carmelo Anthony in Denver: 32.49 - 2nd highest in the league, second only to Kobe Bryant

Al Harrington: 22.32

JR Smith: 22.25

Chauncey Billups: 21.46

Ty Lawson: 19.55

Nene: 18.75

So, does any of this make sense at all? He had only the 6th most touches on his team, not even mentioning the fact that Carmelo Anthony and JR Smith and Al Harrington are not exactly Jason Kidd clones. 

Never mind that when Nene does get the ball, he can put it in the basket, as John Krolik mentions:

Nene is nearly unstoppable when he catches the ball in the immediate basket area. He’s strong, gets off the floor quickly, has excellent touch and patience around the rim, and is very comfortable finishing with his left hand. According to Hoopdata.com, Nene makes 4.2 baskets at the rim each game, and converts 74.8% of his shots at the rim.

30.9 percent of Nene’s possessions are post-up situations, and Synergy has him ranked as the third-most efficient player in the league when he gets the ball in the post. Again, it’s Nene’s work without the ball that makes him so effective in that area. Most post players in today’s NBA prefer to do their work after making the catch in the mid-post area; Nene is one of the few players in the league who works tirelessly to get deep post position before he has the ball.

How does he score 15 ppg when he doesn't get touches? Aside from his high efficiency, it's because he doesn't need the ball to score.

Like Blake Griffin, Nene excels at creating opportunities for high-percentage shots by working without the ball. According to Synergy Sports, a full 24.8 percent of Nene’s possessions come from off-ball cuts, which is extremely high. Nene’s work without the ball has all the subtlety that his work with the ball lacks. Every time a Nuggets opponent doesn’t stick to Nene on an off-ball screen or gets caught paying too much attention to the ball-handler, Nene finds a soft spot in the interior defense, makes himself available for a pass, and goes straight to the rim for a layup, dunk, or free throws.

So yes, while Deron will be able to improve anyone who plays alongside him, he'll be able to improve Nene more since Nene is already very good at working without the ball, only needing a pass to finish things off. He's already adept at getting deep post position, something Brook was not able to do last year.

Whatever, man. You just made that up. How do you explain his rebounding then? Can't even average 7 boards a game, unlike Hump.

Unlike Hump, Nene actually played with good rebounders. Now we're gonna look at something called rebound rate, the percentage of all available rebounds that a player gets. Why are we looking at it? Well let's compare Denver and New Jersey in their leaders in rebound rate. (removing guys that did not play enough games or minutes to give a valid result)

Denver:

Shelden Williams: 18% - 42 games, 17 mpg

Chris Andersen: 17.4% - 45 games, 16.2 mpg

Nene: 14.4%

Kenyon Martin: 13.9% - 48 games, 25.7 mpg

Carmelo Anthony: 12.4% - 50 games, 35.5 mpg

Al Harrington: 11.5% - 73 games, 22.8 mpg

Danilo Gallinari: 10.1% - 14 games, 30.9 mpg

JR Smith: 9.5% - 79 games, 24.9 mpg

Wilson Chandler: 9.5% - 21 games, 30.5 mpg

New Jersey:

Kris Humphries: 22.2%

Derrick Favors 16.1% - 56 games, 19.5 mpg

Johan Petro: 14% - 77 games, 11.6 mpg

Damion James: 12.5% - 25 games, 16.1 mpg

Brook Lopez: 10% - 82 games, 35.2 mpg

Travis Outlaw: 8.2% - 82 games, 28.7 mpg

 

So now, may I ask the question, which guy was the one playing on a team depleted of rebounding?

And while i'm at it, NO, Hump has not been rebounding this well ever since forever. Let's take a look at Hump's year by year rebound rates.

2004: 14%

2005: 15.4%

2006: 16.4%

2007: 16.6%

2008: 15.5%

2009: 17.8%

2010: 22.1%

So now I pose the question, do you think that it's normal for a career 14-16% rebound rate guy to suddenly jump up to 22%? Mind you, that might seem small, but the difference between 14-16% and 22% is the difference between Brendan Haywood (16.5%) and Dwight Howard (21.9%).

Now, back to Nene. Has he been average rebounding-wise his entire career? Yeah. But that's it, he's average. When people constantly bring up "oh, he's never even averaged 8 rebounds a game" they never mention that oh, by the way, Nene's career high in minutes per game is 33.7 minutes a game. If Nene played a mere 36 minutes a game every year, he has not gone below 8 rebounds per 36 minutes since his 2nd year in the league, and never below 7.

 

Hey, if you don't believe me, let's see what other people have to say about him (both recommended reading):

Zach Lowe, Sports Illustrated http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/01/24/nenes-future-could-be-as-important-as-melos/

This is not some space-filler or minutes-sopper. This is a big guy who can be as productive — if not quite as polished — as Chris Bosh, someone who can score in a variety of ways from 18 feet and in, get to the line and play solid positional defense. 

John Krolik, the New York Times http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/04/appreciating-nene/

Still, the bottom line is that Nene has been giving his team 15 points a night without wasting possessions or needing his team to run plays for him, and he’ll significantly improve the offense of any team that signs him and uses him correctly.

 

P.S. The response to Nene's "12 and 7" criticism? 6 and 5. Hump's career averages. 

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At this point, I don't think anyone would know who the Nets want

I do think perhaps Hump might be their first choice, for Dwight chasing purposes, and that’s fine. But it doesn’t fly with me when people say Hump is better than Nene

by muwu on Jul 8, 2011 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Muwu

This is another nice article but very overstated. Yes, Nene is clearly an elite offensive PF and there are no comparisons to Hump. But to say that the rebound rates of their teammates is indicative of their overall rebounding skill is just wrong. Simply use your eyes and you will see that Hump is a way better rebounder. The guy plays with a bruising style and tenacity and is built like an agile ox. Of course he is a great rebounder who clearly just needed to be inserted into the right situation.

Nene shows the same tenacity when on offense, and I love that you highlighted his work without the ball. In fact I feel Hump does that same work with rebounding and even defense of late.

I agree that Nene is the more skilled and probably just flat out better player, but of course it is all about value per dollar. If Hump costs you 4-5 million and Nene costs 12 than Kris is the better deal. Period. I would be wary of how Nene would perform outside of George Karl’s offensive system as well (which features lots of hyper-athletes moving the ball around) and in Avery’s grind out system.

My final point is that having a frontline with an average rebounding PF, a way below average rebounding center, and no clear SF is a recipe for disaster. Humphries just seems to fit this team’s plans much closer.

Anyway, thanks for the thought-provoking analysis. Good job.

by BrooklynNets on Jul 8, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hump is a good rebounder

My point in bringing up the teammates rebound rates was that, perhaps, just perhaps, Hump’s numbers this year are inflated due to the fact that if you’ll see, two of our players who played all 82 games and 30+ minutes, are rebounding at the same rate as JR Smith, who was his competition?

Hump is no doubt a better rebounder than Nene, that is not contestable (is that a word?).

And if you do get Hump at 4-5 million a year (doubtful to me), then he would provide more value for the price, but in terms of overall talent and impact to your winning, I think Nene has the edge

by muwu on Jul 8, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok

But Hump at anything more than the MLE (in THIS CBA, in the new one he could be worth less) is too much.

I can’t dispute that Nene is a better player than Hump, in fact I really like Nene’s game. But you also have to think about him paired with Lopez. Is there a reserve that could pick up the rebounding slack? I don’t believe there is. Nene is a great talent and scorer, but can that offense be generated somewhere else for cheaper? Maybe.

All this being said I would be totally fine with the Nets signing Nene. I just don’t feel its all or nothing.

Also, while I don’t agree with your focus on the rebounding rate it’s still very informative to see those stats. Good work as always.

by BrooklynNets on Jul 8, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you also have to think about him paired with Lopez. Is there a reserve that could pick up the rebounding slack?

Jordan Williams?

And look at teams like the Pacers, the Thunder, the Rockets, the Kings, the Nuggets and the Heat, they’re all in the top 10 in rebounds per game yet not one in the whole group had a single player who averaged double digit rebounds per game.

by vincecarter4pres on Jul 11, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would be wary of how Nene would perform outside of George Karl’s offensive system as well (which features lots of hyper-athletes moving the ball around) and in Avery’s grind out system.

You missed the point of this article. Denver’s offensive had very little ball movement. That’s why everyone on their team had such high usage ratings.

by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jul 8, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was going to quote this line myself.

I would think the exact opposite, Karl heavily underused such an efficient and effective scorer.

by vincecarter4pres on Jul 8, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed on not using such an efficient scorer

but Karl’s team had a lot of ball movement post-melo, in fact it’s why they were a better team. If you watch the Nugs play (and I do fairly often) Nene often fights for post position when the wings are making their cuts. There is a lot of movement in Denver’s system and Nene proved very effective.

by BrooklynNets on Jul 8, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't average like 15 and 15 post Deron?

That’s definitely nothing to turn your nose up at. How someone can put up those numbers and people say definitely a bench player?

I would love to see Hump get 35 minutes per game starting, with a full training camp with a fully healthy Deron and Brook and some wings who can guard thief position(Tayshun,DJames,Marshon, free Agent vet SG). Then judge him.

I look at the fact that Nene moved to center after Camby left. In the same system with the same players Camby put up huge numbers and actually won a defensive player of the year award. Nene after taking over the position never got close to anything Camby posted. But now everyone is talking about Nene’s defense like he was Bill Russell.

Our Defense was bad because the Nets were wretched at the wing positions which is the positions of our leagues elites scorers for the most part. Nene wouldn’t help that. And he wouldn’t fare well either constantly cleaning up the mistakes of Outlaw and Morrow on defense.
Prince has the pedigree of someone who will and can make us better on both sides of the ball. If Nene can be had at avreasonable price like 8 mil per then fine but why drastically overpay.

If Deron REALLY wants Nene then Deron should sign his extension at the same times we sign Nene. We cap ourselves out signing Nene and end up a sub .500 team and Derons leaving.

RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!

by MrBDown on Jul 18, 2011 4:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I guy who can establish position in the low post would do well in Avery's system

The fact that Nene can bring the ball out, is a good passer and can play center all are reasons why he should be making more money than Hump. How much more, I’m not sure.

by gsloots on Jul 9, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thats the problem

We are going to pay alot more for Nene compared to Humphries, it doesnt make sense, because the Nets bigest flaw is at the SF position.

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by Shameer1016 on Jul 9, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Nets biggest flaw is a lack of talent

Every player that the Nets have outside of Brook and Deron would only get 15-20 minutes on a contender, for some, not even that. That’s not gonna cut it

by muwu on Jul 9, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You acquire talent in the NBA through the Draft or trades

Free agency is often not an efficient (in dollar terms) way of acquiring talent. Again, Nene is better (but not necessarily a better fit) than Hump but we cannot judge the value per dollar until we know what the new CBA will be. But you’re right, the Nets have a horrible lack of talent.

by BrooklynNets on Jul 10, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most teams biggest flaw is at SF

You have Lebron, Melo, Durant then the talent drops. Pierce is getting old and has been a SG his whole career. Granger, Iggy, Gay are the next teir and they arent even close to being top level players. We only play OKC twice and the Knicks have Melo, Stat and a bunch of nobody’s. Miami is Miami and every team is going to have trouble with them.

I dont understand the “we are going to pay alot more for Nene and that’s why I dont want him arguement” Better players cost more $. Yeah Hump will get less but its enough to guarantee we only get another mediocre signing to go with him. Nene is a much better player then Hump.

If we go back to last summer, I would take Nene over Bosh, Boozer, Lee and Scola

by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jul 10, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes i dont get the defensive wing angle as a priority

most defenders come cheap anyway. tony allen left a championship contender and only got 3 yr/ 9.5 mil. its the guys that can produce in other facets of the game that get paid

this team doesnt need an all-around defender. they just need a defender who can be the biggest liabilty on offense

and it take more than two guys to stop bron and wade and if it was that simple they wouldnt have “coasted” to nba finals. durant, gay, crash – all in the other conference. danny granger is not close to an all-nba talent. pierce and allen are old. iggy cant shoot and may be on his way out the conference. josh smith cannot shoot as well

the only wing that this team has to worry about and can stop with one guy is carmelo but i would rather let him jack up all the shots and keep everyone else cold and out of rhythm

everyone wants a wing defender yet no one brings up luc richard mbah-a-moute who is 6 years younger than AK, never made more than 1 million a season, and is borderline elite defender despite only entering his third year.

for me, i’m not going to expect amnesty but if this team moved petro and farmar for cheap buyouts, picks, or TE’s they could really fill up the depth chart by signing nene at 12, moute at 3, thornton at 5, hayes at 4

d-will/anybody
thornton/morrow/brooks
james/moute
nene/moute/hayes
lopez/nene/hayes

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 10, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Johnson got about $125 million

He’s a talented player but is ridiculously overpaid.

I dont understand the "we are going to pay alot more for Nene and that’s why I dont want him arguement" Better players cost more $.

That is simplifying the situation. You have to take into consideration cap flexibility, whether the contract is tradeable ($12 million dollars per year for a 29+ year old power forward with a large injury history is not tradeable), and whether or not there is a hard cap in the new CBA. Yes, better players cost more, but its all about value/$. Until we know the new CBA we can’t really forecast what direction the Killer B’s will go in.

by BrooklynNets on Jul 10, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd take him over Boozer, Lee, and Scola

but Bosh? He was a 24/10 guy with the Raptors. He was considered maybe the 2nd best PF in the league. No way I take Nene over him. However, I do definitely think we should sign Nene over Hump this year.

by dwill8brooklynbound on Jul 16, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

if that’s true they’ll have a mediocre at best team with no cap room and deron will leave

by drmagoo on Jul 8, 2011 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Totally wrong

I think you completely underestimate the combination of Deron, Nene and Lopez. I don’t think any team in the league could deal with the Nets big men if those two were starting. Remember when Lopez alone killed Bynum and Gasol? Add Nene to that and see what happens.

Find a veteran SF like AK47 or Prince and you’ve easily got a 50-win team.

You don’t necessarily need 3 superstars to win an NBA title. You need great players that fit the system, play as a team and are efficient on both ends. I think the a Nets starting lineup of Deron, Morrow, AK47, Nene and Lopez challenges Miami and Chicago.

by ZR on Jul 8, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nene & Pez is very similar to Z-Bo & Gasol

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by jokey on Jul 10, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

A core of DWIll, Lopez, Nene, Brooks, Morrow could get us up to the 3rd seed.

Miami and Chicago are obviously the best teams in the East.

 Boston has Rondo coming back from a grotesque injury, Jermain Oniel as their only bigman (Garnett is a perimeter player). Lopez, Nene, DWill would win more then Garnett, Pierce and Allen at this point in there career when you are talking about a full season and factor in all of the missed games they will have.

Orlando is going to be dealing with Howard’s situation all year and Dont have any $ to make their team better

Atlanta is going in the wrong direction. They dont have the $ to resign Crawford.

NY has Melo and Stat. Billups is coming off of knee surgery and they still dont have any size. Lopez, Nene would terrorize them

Philly is being sold. He know better then most what happens to a team in the process of being sold.

by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jul 10, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. And anything can happen once you get into the playoffs, as long as you have a superstar, build around him, and play defense.

by SadNetsFan on Jul 10, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chicago is getting a touch overrated.

The only lock I see is the 1 seed, it’s WIDE OPEN after that.

by vincecarter4pres on Jul 11, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

they will try and sigh Hump

for the right price then look for other options

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by Shameer1016 on Jul 8, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good post

I think most people who knock Nene haven’t really seen him play. He’s an absolute animal.

by ZR on Jul 8, 2011 9:01 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree

He’s an animal!!!!! he can finish with both hands as well.

by Mack69 on Jul 8, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I haven't seen him play much

But I’m always down with sound analysis and I think he’s an animal as well.

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by imdkidd on Jul 8, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

i like nene

but u cant assume with a higher usage rate tht he will maintain his efficiency and the numbers dont translate 100%. its not like he has a deep aray of moves. has nice baseline jumper, and finishes hard and well at rim. gets a lot of offensive fouls in bull in china shop mode.

again i like nene, but hes not a savior

by Hitdog42 on Jul 8, 2011 9:30 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I'm not saying he's some superstar

But he’s a good player. An above average player.

by muwu on Jul 8, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's basically been as productive as Chris Bosh the last few years...

And he’s much tougher and stronger on defense than Bosh.

So, yeah. Damn good player. King should sign him if he’s interested in winning basketball games… but he might be more interested in placating Avery, so who the heck knows?

Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!

by TWilliAM on Jul 8, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes a good player

And no, not a savior. But will the Killer B’s have to give up a savior’s ransom to obtain his services? Probably. In that case, not worth it IMHO.

by BrooklynNets on Jul 8, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love you.

Seriously.

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by Dopeness on Jul 8, 2011 9:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Count me in.

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by NetsMets4Life on Jul 8, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

WHY NENE IS OVERRATED

nevermind, couldn’t think of any :)

Brook Lopez is the MAN!
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by netsareboss on Jul 8, 2011 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Well, i got a lot on my mind, now

I love Kris Humphries, for a number of reasons, and i still hope he is back next year.

But, after reading this, i am definitely feeling more comfortable about Nene. Originally I saw the glaring 7 RPG and thought “oh no, we will never get a board again” and other typical thoughts.

Nene is pretty good. I am not going to say better or worse than Hump at this point, because honestly, I haven’t seen enough. But if i heard “Nene signed to the Nets” then i wouldn’t be as disappointed anymore as i would have been before this.

Honestly, i think either or would both do real well on our team. West scares me…

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by OneCGuy on Jul 8, 2011 10:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Best case scenario...

$62M salary cap gives us $20M of cap room. Trade Petro to give us $23M.

Nene – $12M starting
Hump – $6.4M cap hold
Prince/Butler/AK – $4M – $5M starting

Deron/Morrow/Vet SF/Nene/Brook

Farmer/Gaines/Brooks/James/Outlaw/Hump/JWil – vet min wing and center

Awesome team that can compete in East.

by rundmc00 on Jul 8, 2011 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

sign me up.

Brook-Brooks-Brookyln
LET'S DO THIS!

by OneCGuy on Jul 8, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

sign me up too

Minus outlaw some how

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by Kieth Van Horn on Jul 8, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is the key

The Outlaw contract is a hindrance! It would be excellent to move it for a starting SF. Yesterday, someone suggested that the Bulls frontcourt rotation would be better than ours with Nene. However, If BK could work it so that we can get Nene and keep Hump along with Lopez, Williams I think we would be comparable to the Bulls.

by Mack69 on Jul 8, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Outlaw for a SF?

Only in dreams. My sweet soft dreams.

Brook-Brooks-Brookyln
LET'S DO THIS!

by OneCGuy on Jul 8, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

We are so close to being a

top 4 team in the Eastern conf. just got to make a few moves.

by Mack69 on Jul 8, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

At this stage, I think the Nets can compete for the 8th seed

Not a playoff lock yet though. Depending on the addition, only the Celtics, Heat, and Bulls will be difficult to leapfrog. Atlanta is… as mediocre as ever. Orlando is going downhill. Philly is still mediocre. Indiana though is a team on the rise in my mind. I think they will be very improved next year. The Knicks can be leapfrogged depending on their defense

by muwu on Jul 8, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

SF is the problem

If a quality SF can be had and I don’t mean Prince, AK or Butler we would be there despite any other additions by the Heat, Celts or the Bulls.

by Mack69 on Jul 8, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome!

If BK can make that work that would be awesome line up.

by Mack69 on Jul 8, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

whats the most u give nene per yr muwu?

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by Kieth Van Horn on Jul 8, 2011 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

all speculative until CBA comes out

Just worried some other team will give more

5yrs for 70 (14per)

I think that would price me out

"There's only one Keith Van Horn!"
-Kieth Van Horn

by Kieth Van Horn on Jul 8, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

You could do this starting at 12.5M per year...

Maybe he is worth it and we could still sign other players.

by rundmc00 on Jul 8, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's insane

For a guy who will be 29 at the start of his contract and 34 at the end?

For a guy who has played 80 games in a season only twice in his career?

When you have a serviceable alternative for most likely less than half the price?

When you have no clear small forward?

And when you could maintain your cap flexibility by acquiring young, talented, and tradeable assets?

Not a great deal in my opinion.

by BrooklynNets on Jul 8, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Half the price?

Doubt it. Maybe 4-5 mill less but definitely not half the price. You think you played his behind off this past season to get a 1-2 mill raise … are you kidding?

"The trade that usually happens is the one you never hear about" - Net Income

by imdkidd on Jul 8, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'll make more money with the Nets

Even if he signs a smaller contract. Remember, if the NBA lets his reality TV show go through (and they already have for his future sister and brother-in-laws) he will make a ton of a money by being in New York. Plus, he’s not proven that he is worth a major payday.

Plus, who has the money and the inclination to pay him more?

by BrooklynNets on Jul 8, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think nene is underrated...

because he makes 11 million/year! lol.. No.. he’s not underrated…

by njason21 on Jul 8, 2011 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice work MuWu. This a very well written piece

Hump is one of my favorite Nets but Nene is a far superior player. People underestimate the little things Nene does that contribute to team success.

Every time a Nuggets opponent doesn’t stick to Nene on an off-ball screen or gets caught paying too much attention to the ball-handler, Nene finds a soft spot in the interior defense, makes himself available for a pass, and goes straight to the rim for a layup, dunk, or free throws.

Having a player like Nene setting off the ball screens would make our offense elite. Ball movement wasnt good on our team last year. The only player we had that actually worked without the ball was Shasha and the players setting the screens (Outlaw, Lopez, Hump) didnt do a good job of moving after the screen was set. With a PG like DWill ball movement is critical. We upgrade Sasha with Brooks and the screener with Nene and now Dwill has two extra options on offense besides just dropping the ball off to Lopez in the post.

by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jul 8, 2011 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Nene sucks.

Dwill/?/Josh Smith/Humphries/Superman

2012 NBA Champions

The biggest 14 year old Nets fan on the planet.

by i says on Jul 8, 2011 4:48 PM EDT reply actions  

just kidding

Dwill/?/Josh Smith/Humphries/Superman

2012 NBA Champions

The biggest 14 year old Nets fan on the planet.

by i says on Jul 8, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

or am i

Dwill/?/Josh Smith/Humphries/Superman

2012 NBA Champions

The biggest 14 year old Nets fan on the planet.

by i says on Jul 8, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, i am

Dwill/?/Josh Smith/Humphries/Superman

2012 NBA Champions

The biggest 14 year old Nets fan on the planet.

by i says on Jul 8, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

not

Dwill/?/Josh Smith/Humphries/Superman

2012 NBA Champions

The biggest 14 year old Nets fan on the planet.

by i says on Jul 8, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

great work, love it and agree with it.

also the argument “why give nene 12 a year when you can give hump 6-7?” is so irritating.

you give nene 12 because you want a better player. period.

how about “why give hump 6-7 a year when you can give sean williams 1 a year?” If we were trying to save money then i understand, but we are trying to become a better team and you gotta spend money to make money aaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeee

love thy underdog

by lemmetakeutodamovies on Jul 8, 2011 7:45 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

One contention

“How does he score 15 ppg when he doesn’t get touches? Aside from his high efficiency, it’s because he doesn’t need the ball to score.”

You’re defining “touches” by USG%. He can’t score without raising his USG%, whether he “needs the ball” or not.

by MyNetsForLife on Jul 8, 2011 8:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Yup. Great post.

It’s funny how everyone wants to improve but yet they think that every Net is an All Star. Like seriously Humpries is good but he’s not fcking untouchable like what others think. He doesn’t deserve max which base don some comments is what people want to give.

Nene all the way.

World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.

by Drizzzy on Jul 8, 2011 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

this is like the 5th fan post we nene supporters have had to throw a litany of facts at doubters

and you can go back and look at me levaing heavily detailed comments/semi-fanposts in these other fanposts trying to support the exact same things

i’m glad others are catching on and are proving to be great and analyzing and breaking down statistics.

this guy played next to marcus camby and birdman(pre-nba ban) with other rebound hogs like francisco elson and reggie evans then kenyon martin between both periods and when nene became center he had birdman(post-nba ban), k-mart, and other solid rebounders

most fans dont realize just how pitiful the rest of the nets were at rebounding. and i also point out even though denver does not exercise ball movement(due to certain hogs/chuckers) they were still one of the elite efficient offenses in the league, hence they dont miss as many shots as the nets who averaged more shots per game than denver yet missed the 2nd most shots in the entire league

who is better millsap or hump. why is boozer in chicago now? who is better bass or hump? why did both times his contract expire, teams(dallas from new orleans and then orlando from dallas) were willing to overpay for him?

again hump sat behind drew gooden and james singelton in dallas who sat behind dirk. is he worse than both of them?

and in toronto if jorge garbajosa not torn his knee apart how much PT would hump had received behind bosh?

people say hump can still grow. well why cant nene? nene has been in the league the same amount of years and is only two years older. the best point guard nene ever worked with was andre miller and that was very brief because of the cancer and acl injury.

d-will >>> chauncey, lawson, iverson, blake, carter, felton, miller. oh and i would imagine its hard to get free in the paint with a non-factor on offense like camby, birdman, or post-multiple knee surgery martin. not a scoring beast like lopez

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 8, 2011 10:36 PM EDT reply actions  

oh and one more thing. the nuggets finished this season THIRD in defensive rebounds

despite having an average defense at best and mainly after the melo-trade.

now if the entire team can collect the third most defensive rebounds who is getting those rebounds in the 18 minutes nene is off the floor or when he is on the floor?

like it has been stressed the nets – hump = a horrendous rebounding team. the nuggets – nene = average rebounding team.

the nuggets rebounding totals are so low because they dont miss that many shots hence reducing their offensive rebounding chances and also george karl may stress the nuggets to get back in transition and limit fast break points.

the celtics and magic express the same principle. the celtics and magic both have some of the lowest offensive rebounding totals but they are the best transitional defenses in the game and they also are some of the best DEFENSIVE rebounding teams in the league

if hump wants more than 6 mil. give me nene at 12 mil and chuck hayes or reggie evans behind him at 3 or 4 mil and unless prince or butler comes cheap like they should work a trade for a SF. if necessary, trade farmar, petro, or both and this isnt factoring an amnesty clause that could wipe outlaw off the books

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 8, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was quite surprised myself

That the majority of our minutes in Brook and Outlaw pretty much rebounded at the same rate as JR Smith. I mean, take away James since he missed 3/4 of the season, take away Favors at the allstar break, and it’s no wonder Hump averaged 14 rebounds a game after Favors was traded away.

by muwu on Jul 9, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nene should be our #1 target for PF.

Keep hump but don’t pay more than 5-7 mill per.
Get Prince, Butler or Battier to play the 3 and we can contend IMO.

In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.

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by Claud on Jul 9, 2011 5:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Nene left alot of money on the table

Im thinking he wants to go play for a good team.

"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"

by Shameer1016 on Jul 10, 2011 1:48 AM EDT reply actions  

I think he wants to play with another good bigman so he can play PF and not C

There is a reason he doesnt block alot of shots and get alot of rebounds and that’s because he is NOT A CENTER, HE IS A PF.

Most teams are committed to alot of $ at PF. I feel real confident about our chances of getting Nene because we are the best option when you look at who else is in the market (Indy, Sac, NO, Cha, Det, Mil)

Teams like SA, Port, Orl, Chi would be good fits but dont have the $.

by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jul 10, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Very true, but I think

he might consider taking less money to play for a good team. I mean none of us actually know what his intentions are, but I wouldnt be surprised if he took less to play for a good team.

"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"

by Shameer1016 on Jul 10, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nuggets weren't a good team

They were well balanced, but weren’t a threat in the Western Conference. If Nene wants a bigger contract than what he opted out of, he’s going to have to take his talents to the team with the lowest salary.

"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"

by Shameer1016 on Jul 10, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

he wants security but he wants to win

denver is in flux right now. they have 8 guys who will be free agents this year or next year

and without a first option game changer they wont make it deep in the west

i feel him and lopez together will be like isaac bruce and torry holt or jerry rice and TO together

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 10, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

But there are 30 teams in the NBA, and the Nets have never looked appealing to anyone.

"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"

by Shameer1016 on Jul 10, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he does end up here I can't wait to see the

RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!

by MrBDown on Jul 18, 2011 4:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If he does end up here I can't wait to see where you guys point the fingers

This Nene lovefest is sickening. Dude doesn’t play here and has not won anything since being in the NBA. He and Lopez will nit be like Gasol and Zbo. Zbo averaged 20/10 most of his n a career. He wakes up with this numbers. Gasol is also more offensively skilled and a better rebounder than Nene.

Love how Nene all of sudden equalizes Chicago, Orlando, Atlanta, Boston, Philly and the Knicks. I think maybe the lockout and all he loosing is getting to us.

If Nene is as good as he is made to sound here, there should be no way he got less touches than Melo. He should have been the first option since he was Soo efficient. My guess is there were reasons he wasn’t. And if he signs here we will all be witnesses to the reasons why.

I hope we sign both guys and hope Hump outplays Nene and that we are the mediocre team I think we will be after overpaying Nene and having no space of appealing players/contracts to trade. Then I can hear the trade outlaw and our 2012#1 so we can clear cap space chorus. Lol

Nene on this team this team will be a trainwreck. BOOK IT!

RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!

by MrBDown on Jul 18, 2011 4:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I only watched Nene in the playoffs this year...

But from what I saw, I really really liked him. Thanks for the great analysis, Muwu!

by Rudibager on Jul 14, 2011 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Yup, he was dunking all over Perkins

but his team didn’t go to him enough. And his defense is a HUGE upgrade over our bigs we had last season. You can say what you want about this free agent class being weak and all, but signing the best free agent available is always going to go a long way in keeping your superstar happy.

by dwill8brooklynbound on Jul 16, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Building a championship contending team will make Dwill happy

Not one signing. Nene could be a good addition for the Nets but he is by no means a sure thing. If signing Nene fits into a larger plan for the Killer B’s then I am fine with it because I trust them. But Nene is not enough to be the central addition to this team, it’s going to take more than that.

by BrooklynNets on Jul 17, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I realize that Nene is not enough. However, Lopez/Dwill/Nene/maybe Prince/Morrow/Brooks would be a damn good foundation.

by dwill8brooklynbound on Jul 17, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly...

We would be crazy to not try putting together this 50+ win line-up after winning 15 two years ago.

I really hope we have money to also sign Hayes or Hump.

by rundmc00 on Jul 17, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

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