Brooks Top Scorer...and Athlete
by Net Income on Jul 5, 2011 9:14 AM EDT
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MarShon Brooks is a scorer. He says so. His stats say so. But he is also an athlete and in fact, he is, at least according to the Pre-Draft Combine numbers, a better athlete than any Net draft pick going back three years: better than Terrence Williams, Derrick Favors or Damion James.
A review of the combine measurements at Draft Express shows that Brooks scored higher than Favors, James or T-Will in vertical leap --both no-step and one-step, in the 3/4 court sprint, and in lane agility.
His wingspan of 7'1" exceeds all but Favors' 7'4" and is the longest ever recorded for a player under 6'6". His hand size, a new measurement the past two years, is greater than James and Favors ...one sixth bigger, in fact, than the 6'10" Favors.
It's that athleticism and those physical gifts that make Avery Johnson believe he can turn Brooks into a defensive stopper. But it's also a big reason why he is a potent scorer.
Favors' maximum vertical leap, 11'7.5" was six inches lower than Favors 12'1.5", three and a half inches lower than James, and a half inch lower than T-Will's, about in line with the height differential among the three. In only one other category, number of 185-pound reps did all the three best him. He could only lift that five times. T-Will did it nine, James 10 and Favors 14.
Brooks' three-quarter court sprint time was 3.09 seconds, very fast historically and the same as James' 2009 speed (and better than his 2010 speed). It was faster than T-Will's 3.18 and Favors' 3.25 as well. And in terms of lane agility, the time required to move sideways around the key while taking coaching instructions, Brooks' time was 10.74 seconds, again historically fast and again better than James' 10.89, T-Will's 11.15 and Favors 11.74.
In the 2012 draft, Brooks ranked second in no-step vertical leap, eighth in maximum vertical leap, fourth in the 3/4 court sprint, ninth in lane agility and ninth in body fat percentage. T-Will ranked slightly higher in body fat percentage.
Historically, his vertical leap is on the same scale as Richard Jefferson who scored 33.0" and 38.5" in the 2001 Combine (but less than Jordan Farmar's 33.5" and 42.5" in 2006). His 3/4-court sprint time is in the very high percentiles, a tenth of second faster than Devin Harris' 3.19 seconds, for example. It puts him in fast company among current NBA players: Michael Conley had the same speed, 3.09 secs.; Russell Westbrook and Dwyane Wade, one-hundredth of second faster at 3.08; and Derrick Rose at 3.05. John Wall? 3.14 seconds.
How's it all help him? A lot of his game is getting into the lane and by defenders or stepping back near the three-point line. Speed and leaping ability are crucial.
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by CinnamonToastCrunch on Jul 4, 2011 11:11 PM EDT reply actions
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And he went way lower than any of those mentioned players in a weak draft
explain…
by kk30 on Jul 4, 2011 11:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Good stats on a bad team,
people get skeptical.
by Clayton Balch on Jul 4, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Some people confuse real talent with inflated stats on a weak team
If the rest of the league had paid attention they’d know he’s a complete player, not just a chucker.
He still played in a good conference
theres no reason he should of dropped so far. it must have been attitude problems or interview problems.
Hes well worth the risk for the Nets though
He said so in his interview
He said he started at providence as a defensive stopper , then his role* changed over the years.
I’m usually good at guessing who’s good, if Brooks is not and all-star in 3 yrs , then he’s my first fail as a sure thing. I’ve said that players like Favors and Twill have talent to be great but hoped things turned out right. With Brooks , I can’t wait to see him play.
by Zartan on Jul 4, 2011 11:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He's not that good?
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by eLonepb on Jul 5, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
that would be the most logical reasoning
most non Nets fans would probably be saying that just by seeing where he was drafted,but hopefully that is not the case.
It does remind me tho of a certain former Net who everyone was high on- Mr. CDR. He had great stats out of college and was the leading scorer on the best team in the nation (D Rose was also on that team).
And he turned out to “be not that good”.
Also Marcus Williams anyone?
Hopefully history doesn’t repeat itself, in King We Trust
Only time will tell but at least it's not Rod Thorn drafting..
most important part of your post
Hopefully history doesn’t repeat itself, in King We Trust
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jul 5, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Well player talent has nothing to do with the person drafting them
Kahn drafted Love, Isiah got Wilson Chandler, the Clipper got Blake and Eric Gordon, etc etc
Hughes was a higher rated prospect than both of those players at the time.
People laughed at the Mavericks for trading with Mikwaukee to get Dirk. Lets not play revisionist.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 5, 2011 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions
there's nothing in Marshon's game or physical abilities
that remind me of CDR. NONE.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 5, 2011 7:17 AM EDT up reply actions
When people make the CDR comparisons, they're not making them appropriately
The ONLY thing similar to CDR is his attitude. CDR had a swagger that did not set a good example for his teammates – especially Courtney Lee.
Now with the Nets having a legitimate veteran superstar in tow, it shouldn’t be as much of a problem. I guarantee that if CDR was drafted in the 2nd round this year and was added to the Nets with D-Will on the roster, he would have produced more and been less of a locker room problem.
by ZR on Jul 5, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
There attitudes aren't similar either tho
Marshon isn’t as arrogant, more humble.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
I've seen some of his interviews, and he's more confident than arrogant
They’re generally similar, not exact or close, but if you’re going to make any sort of comparison, that’s the one people will make.
Not saying I agree with it, just looking from the other perspective.
by ZR on Jul 5, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Well as a former CDR huffer...
CDR had that old man’s game. No one thought he was exceptionally athletic. CDR’s high dribble and handle were crap. CDR had no range, and yeah D Rose was on his team so he didn’t have to create.
and Marcus ‘Laptop’ Williams was poorly conditioned.
but i agree, in King we trust.
"long time fan, first time caller"
Dwill-B-Lo-D12 make it happen!
I'm glad that the Nets picked him and not that SG from Villanova (Corey Stokes)
@ Clayton He was their only option that is why his scoring average is that high.
Im sorry but like him or hate him
NOBODY, with the exception of LeBron, is more athletic than Terrence Williams. NOBODY.
by The Big Russian on Jul 4, 2011 11:20 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
NI- Not sure if typo but you wrote....
Favors’ maximum vertical leap, 11’7.5" was six inches lower than Favors 12’1.5",
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jul 5, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow, sometimes I think we need to make T-Will Daily
It’s not like the guy went to Houston and set the world on fire. He went where he belongs on a legitimate team, the bench. Yeah, he made some flashy plays when he ran the point. He also turned it over a lot and missed layups. I can bet in five years nobody is going to say we made a mistake letting him go. Can everyone PLEASE let it go!?
by Frigidevil on Jul 5, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
We got Brooks with the lakers pick essentially
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
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great trade imo
especially if Brooks pans out
by MrDollarBills on Jul 5, 2011 7:20 AM EDT up reply actions
2 tickets to a game?
We’re gonna have to set some guidelines though. 1. He has to end up an every day starter. 2. He has to end up better than Brooks or the Lakers’ pick.
The bet can end early if either the Nets or T-Will’s team wins the Finals (assuming he gets a minute of play time),if T-Will makes the All-Star team, or if he gets cut or waived (not getting re-signed or having an option picked up doesn’t count)
Can I get in on this?
I’ll up the ante significantly.
If you're interested, you can follow me @TokenNBR.
Oh, and if you don't like players who turn the ball over a lot
I’m afraid you are not gonna like MarShon Brooks. And he doesn’t have the excuse of being a playmaker.
if you take a look at his sophomore and junior year
you might jump to different conclusions.
"long time fan, first time caller"
Dwill-B-Lo-D12 make it happen!
Exactly, he's said he only played offense his senior year at the suggestion of his coach
I don’t think he’s going to be like that in the NBA. The guy said he can’t wait to GUARD Kobe!
Because Net Income mentioned T-Will first in the article..
by jarkid on Jul 5, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
because I was comparing draft choices
should I not mention T-Will in the future? Should we toss him down the memory hole?
Ridiculous.
NI was comparing recent picks and their measurements
There’s a difference between that and talking about how T-Will is the greatest player ever…which seems to happen on every other thread here.
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Also as athletic as brooks is Jordan Willliams is not
Williams finished dead last in many of the runs, as did Brook Lopez at the time.
I do not look into these stats because “hard work always beats talent when talent fails to work hard”
honestly
in a half court game there is only so much athleticism could do. Watching a 37 year old Jason Kidd shut down a Lebron James or a old broken down Shawn Marion frustrating Kevin Durant really opened my mind.
The Heat thrived on the fast break game but in the half court game they could not do anything even though they were much more athletic.
In the end Basketball just comes down to who can make the open jumpshots
Which he can do.
And will improve at also.
MarShon is also very good at attacking the basket, which makes him very versatile on the fastbreak when Deron pushes the tempo. He can run and shoot the spot-up J, or keep running and go in for a lay-up or dunk, or the foul.
by JerseysFinest. on Jul 5, 2011 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow
No one can say anything to that but I think him working out with MJs, Kobe and Wades trainer she say a little. If they have not told him how hard they work out to be the best ….. If Brooks doesn’t listen to that, he’s already done.
by Zartan on Jul 4, 2011 11:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
@kk30.... I tend to want to agree with you
but Yi was a Talent that worked extremely hard and it made me rethink that common misconception that all talented players who put in the work will eventually make it.
true
every rule has exceptions I guess. Yi could never translate what he did in practice to the game. It had to be mostly mental with him
I think his game just doesn't translate to the NBA
You can get ripped like Yi did, but if you don’t attack the rim you’re going to get abused.
no, he settled on being one-dimensional
he worked on nothing but longe-range jumpers, similiar to antoine walker
a guy that shoots for average on long range jumpers is no better than a guy who works on his dunks(gerald green, james white) but cant dribble or create space
unless you are truly dominant in that one area then you wont last long in the league let alone be an effective starter being an average 1-dimensional player
yeah yi, was a twig but if he actually took time to make his jumpers potent it would be easier for him to get more open looks if defenders chase him off the 3-point line. plus he never operated out the low block. all he needed was one go to shot: a hook, fade-away banker, spin layup
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 5, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
couldn't play a lick of defense and was soft
did not like contact in the paint. Hey he was great at getting rebounds on foul shots….
Mann
How i would love to see him do the Jordan palm the ball fake n go.
by Zartan on Jul 4, 2011 11:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
His hands are like Wade's.
What helps him a lot.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Athleticism is a plus
This is all great to hear. Physical tools, especially at the guard spot, will definitely help as he can use these advantages over smaller players at the two. I am very happy MarShon fell to us and these results add to my excitement to see him in a Nets uniform. I think he landed to a team in the right place at the right time.
by Greg Brzozowski on Jul 4, 2011 11:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
steal of the draft and possibly ROY
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
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by Claud on Jul 4, 2011 11:47 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Eh, all we can do is wait and see. I mean right above MarShon on that list are Tracy McGrady, Josh Howard, and Trevor Ariza (he’s gonna be a star!) and right near or below him are Julius Hodge, Lenny Cooke, and other guys who either you never heard of, or turned into a “how did they fail?” type prospect.
Tons of these guys have an old DX profile that reads something like “he has a gorgeous stroke and can score from anywhere on the floor, and his reach is unbelievable.”
Not saying this kid is going to fail (I think he’ll be good), but you just never know until they play.
by SadNetsFan on Jul 4, 2011 11:52 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
and wait and wait and wait
and I can give you a list of those who were drafted later than #27. Hell, I can give you a list of players the SPURS took with later picks who turned into terrific players. Also, King has a very good record of late picks.
Thats why Marshon
Can be a special player because he doesn’t rely on it, already has the step backs, up and unders, and post moves it takes young players years to incorporate into their games, what stood out to me.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
by Atronic on Jul 5, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also, King has a very good record of late picks
So does Ainge (I’d say his is even better than King’s- Rondo, Perkins, Davis)… and he decided Brooks was not worth it.
Ainge
also felt that Jeff Green was worth trading for.
Your hatred for King is hilarious. Let T-Will go, he’s never coming back!!!
by MrDollarBills on Jul 5, 2011 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions
So...
I guess it’s just that, TWill is the reason why I think King made a mistake passing on Pierce or Nowitzki.
Great reasoning, bro.
Look if someone says hey King is great finding talent with late picks, why can’t I say Ainge is better at that and point out to the fact that he passed on Brooks?
Getting sick of this garbage.
I don’t understand why you take all this crap for TWill.
People bring it up like you made a bold prediction and were horribly, stupidly wrong. That hasn’t happened. And even if it had (like, let’s say 20 years ago you were screaming we should take Bowie over Jordan), everyone is wrong once in a while, and most people here have been wrong about basketball related decisions before.
I still think TWill can make it in this league, and he is going to get his shot…but whenever someone brings up TWill in an argument with Andres, I know they just don’t have anything productive to say.
by SadNetsFan on Jul 5, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks bro
whenever someone brings up TWill in an argument with Andres, I know they just don’t have anything productive to say.
Exactly.
re: bringing up T-Will
Andres’ sole underlying reason for bashing King is the Williams trade.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 5, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m sorry, I never liked Brooks, and I said so numerous times before the draft, when I didn’t have a clue he would end up being drafted by the Nets. You suddenly started to like the kid the moment King drafted him. I’m sorry, I’m not like others who change their opinion on a player depending on whether they are playing for my team or not.
I always liked Bogdanovic and said I hoped we drafted him prior to the draft and after we got him I’ve said repeated times how much I like that pick.
For so much crap I get about "letting Williams go"
it seems like it’s you the one who needs to follow your own advice, because I didn’t mention Williams in any of my comments you replied to in this thread. Sad.
by Andres B on Jul 5, 2011 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this isnt some loaded draft like 84-85 or 2003
pick 40 may have the same or better impact than pick 15.
plus this is the same reason blazers passed over jordan, they had drexler and paxson and needed a big man
the celtics have NO center under contract(perkins traded, krstic overseas, o’neal retired, everyone else is a PF and not under contract either) and are over the cap seeking the most overpaid position in sports.
ray allen still has years in him, they expect delonte west to return. now with triple J they dont have to chase a top-flight center they wouldnt be able to afford in reasonable circumstances, they can get a cheaper guy who just has to give them 25-30 solid minutes
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 5, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
who knows why BUT
they did need a shooting big man with Krstic going to Russia and so traded for JaJuan Johnson who the Nets thought was second round material…or so I was told before the draft.
Nah he just thought triple J was as good as Brooks
If they knew the Nets would want Brooks, and they thought Johnson was just as good, they essentially got a 2nd round pick from us for free. It’s a no-brainer for them.
they lost Krstic and their two top free agents
are both forwards…Green (restricted) and Davis (unrestricted).
Johnson was the perfect fit for them. Brooks would never get off the bench.
not at all
but it would be nice for them to have some kind of test to see if a player has a high basketball IQ. They have a test they use in the NFL called the warlek or something like that and most qb’s do well, while LBers usually score lower. It would be nice to see if the nba had a test like that. If they did pt guards would usually score higher.
The wonderlic is more of an iq test than a football knowledge test
Everyone freaks out when players score low, but there’s literally no correlation between wonderlic scores and success in the NFL.
Frigidevil is right
NO correlation between scoring low on the wonderlic and NFL success.
50= highest possible score, superior intelligence
21= average intelligence
14= equivalent to unskilled worker
Below 14= moron
Marino – 16
McNabb – 14
truly no correlation
although… Vince Young scored a 6 on his first test. SIX!
by bronxbombers2 on Jul 5, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
wasnt peyton manning below 20 as well?
and ryan leaf way higher and the reason the colts took manning is because when asked about how they would spend their signing bonus peyton said he would likely buy a house and get his family settled and ryan leaf said he was going to party in vegas with his boys
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 5, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Wonderlic Test In NFL....
Is what you are looking for. But yes i agree, having a BBIQ test would def help in drafting potiental draft picks
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jul 5, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
dude
wonderlic has nothing to do with on the field IQ
you just tried to subtly call this kid stupid.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 5, 2011 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought he was suggesting that he wishes there was a fantasy measurement so they wouldnt draft a bust.
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by NetsMets4Life on Jul 5, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
He has such poor BBIQ
That he averaged 24.6 ppg. (insert sarcasm here)
well theres always room for improvement
as he gets more experienced the higher bbiq he will have. i have never seen him play live but from draft express it says he is a poor passer, shot selection can be terrible at times and we have heard he was not interested in playing defense.
Obviously there is really not much you can test except through the interview process and watching his game film
He didn't play great defense his senior year
because of the offensive load that was put on him, but his first 2 years at providence he was used primarly as a defensive stopper. He was not lying about that.
I'm sure that
his IQ will surpass Terrence’s, who seems to have the basketball IQ of a turd
by MrDollarBills on Jul 5, 2011 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Not the BBIQ
But apparently regular IQ
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by NetsMets4Life on Jul 5, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
as nets fans we’ve seen too many young players who we had high hopes for end up disappointing
Unfortunately, athleticism and NBA success are not that related
The most athletic guy in the 2003 draft wasn’t LeBron. The guy that was? Troy Bell. Who only knows where he is now
no1 said he was most athletic in the draft.
i think it was travis leslie in this years draft. but troy bell def didnt hav the scoring ability marShon does. no doubt about it
exactly
didnt have the proven record of scoring which is the point of this item, that he is as much a top athlete as he is a top scorer.
but troy bell def didnt hav the scoring ability marShon does.
Bell averaged 25.2 ppg in his last college season.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/boston-college/troy-bell/2002-2003
Yeah but he was 6'1
A lot of those little guys never make it unless your Jameer Nelson.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
troy bell was a beast at bc
one of my favorite college players
Unfortunately, athleticism and NBA success are not that related
But he also produced at the highest level and is athletic. The only reason he was around til 25 was because he was a senior. If he was an 18 year old coming off his Freshmen season or was a foriegn player he would have been the top pick with his measurables.
Out of all the positions, SG’s are usually the ones who become late round steals.
2010 – Landry Fields – 39th pick – NBA starter
2009 – Budinger – 44th pick – NBA starter
Marcus Thornton – 43rd pick – NBA starter
2008 – George Hill – 26th pick – Will be NBA starter this year for Indy
2007 – Arron Afflalo – 27th pick – NBA starter
2006 – Shannon Brown – 25th pick – 3 time NBA champion
2005 – Louis Williams – 45th pick – 6th man on a playoff team
Monta Ellis – 40th pick – Top 10 NBA scorer
2004 – Sasha Vujacic – 27th pick – 3 time NBA champion
Kevin Martin – 26th pick – Top 10 NBA scorer
Tony Allen – 25th pick – Top NBA Defender
2003 – Carlos Delfino – 25th pick – NBA Starter
2002 – John Salmons – 26th pick – NBA Starter
2001 – Gilbert Arenas – 31st pick – NBA All Star
I think Brooks can be a very good player on the same level as Arenas, Martin and Ellis. But even if he is just a servicable starter then we made out well.
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jul 5, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
woo nice examples there
"long time fan, first time caller"
Dwill-B-Lo-D12 make it happen!
How come SG's don't get as much respect in the NBA ?
How many SG’s were drafted before Brooks went at #25 ?
Maybe one of the reasons he “dropped” is because clubs are more interested in PG’s, SF’s and big men ?
the Nets say
and we have reported that a number of the Euro big men went ahead of him surprisingly. At least five went ahead of him. They were the value picks in the draft: Kanter, Valuncias, Veseley, Vucevic, Motiejunas and Mirotic.
Also, he almost certainly would have gone to Indy at 15 except that Indy got the perfect offer.
So he dropped. There was also some concern about a “red flag” the Nets looked into and found to be nothing, at all.
i think unless you have a durant like season
most scoring in college is already biased because of the unbalance in talent across the college level, the mutliple day off schedule, and huge gap in nba talent from ncaa talent
big men. if a big man is good you do not pass him up. most big men that go to college and played basketball most of their youthcough thabeet cough, that are predicted high and go high normally produce like they should
guards, they come from all over, who woulda thought 11 years ago some average rated prospect out of arkansas, post-nolan rchardson era, would turn out to become the highest paid nba player
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 5, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Red flag ?
I remember when Boston Celtics supposedly spread a rumor about Kevin McHale being a pot head the year they drafted him in 1980.
Joe Barry Carrol went #1, then Darrell Griffth #2, Celtics then grabbed PotHead McHale at #3.
he wasn't?
Didn’t he and the Chief light up back in those days?
by MrDollarBills on Jul 5, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Athleticism is great and all...
but I’ll take a mature player with a solid work ethic and high motor any day of the week.
Imagine if some of these gifted young players had the hustle and relentless determination of Brian Cardinal or Jerome “Junk Yard Dog” Williams?
Hopefully MarShon brings it every single day – in practice, during games & in the offseason.
Why?
He was a limited player on offense, but he could rebound, play aggressive D and was as passionate a player as you could find. He used to bring great energy.
haha I agree he hurt his team on O
but he easily made up for it by taking charges, annoying the hell out of the other team, getting to loose balls, etc.
Athleticism / Player vs. Player
Brooks has certainly does have great numbers. But when comparing players, I believe it’s just as important to consider the height and weight of each player. The fact that Favors is a much bigger and stronger guy than Brooks and still has some quality combine numbers, makes me appreciate how athletic he is all the more.
by Delacratic on Jul 5, 2011 2:49 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
and didn't question
Terrence Williams not one bit
Terrence can take a dump in the middle of the room and you’d sing his praises
by MrDollarBills on Jul 5, 2011 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions
and you don't question
a guy’s drafting abilities even if he passed on 2 NBA Finals MVP players, and question a guy who has a better track record finding talent with late picks and who decided to pass on Brooks.
y r u guys arguing about our own people?
I like thorn and king is doing well too, its not like we have isiah here
by SunilP on Jul 5, 2011 7:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What a ridiculous and useless post.
by SadNetsFan on Jul 5, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
favors is going to be a very good player
But for deron u can trade anyone
by SunilP on Jul 5, 2011 7:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I understand Favors plays a power position.
My comment was about the merits of comparing athletic ability b/w players of different body types not whether or not Favors is going to be a good basketball player.
by Delacratic on Jul 5, 2011 11:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
MarShon Nickname?
How about “The Great Gazoo”!
by KiddLetGoOfTheRope on Jul 5, 2011 6:26 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Nah.
Swag can’t be a nickname; it’s a lifestyle.
“The Dreaded” is his nickname.
If you're interested, you can follow me @TokenNBR.
I agree with this
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 5, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Swag..."The Great Gazoo!" is a bit more subtle
by KiddLetGoOfTheRope on Jul 5, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
swag
is kinda lame and not all that original. might as well call him SKILLZ MCGEE.
"A little boy went out to play. When he opened his door, he saw the world. As he passed through the doorway, he caused a reflection. Evil was born. Evil was born, and followed the boy."
by jrtallent on Jul 5, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
"Some things you just can't question. Like you can't question why two plus two is four. So don't question it, don't try to look it up. I don't know who made it, all I know is it was put in my head that two plus two is four. So certain things happen. Why does it rain? Why am I so sexy? I don't know." - Shaquille O'Neal
by CinnamonToastCrunch on Jul 5, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
EVERYONE
claims to have swag. it’s generic. I guess if he likes that name that’s cool, but I think a nickname should refer to something unique about the person. sounds like he’s just using the hip word that happens to be the current flavor of the month.
"A little boy went out to play. When he opened his door, he saw the world. As he passed through the doorway, he caused a reflection. Evil was born. Evil was born, and followed the boy."
Da Boss
but you gotta say it rite
Brook Lopez is the MAN!
----
I don't really hate Outlaw, its just fun to make fun of him
how bout "BYAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"?
"Some things you just can't question. Like you can't question why two plus two is four. So don't question it, don't try to look it up. I don't know who made it, all I know is it was put in my head that two plus two is four. So certain things happen. Why does it rain? Why am I so sexy? I don't know." - Shaquille O'Neal
by CinnamonToastCrunch on Jul 5, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to get racial.
But I think a lot of our NetsDaily posters don’t completely understand what “swag” means.
I could certainly be wrong, though.
As I said before, I don’t think “Swag” is a nickname, but to each his own.
If you're interested, you can follow me @TokenNBR.
Stealing Without A Gun?
If so, Outlaw should be called Swag.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 5, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
swag
swagger, confidence, cocksureness, the thing that no one on the corner has as much of as we do, etc
"A little boy went out to play. When he opened his door, he saw the world. As he passed through the doorway, he caused a reflection. Evil was born. Evil was born, and followed the boy."
I was a bit worried that MarShon would be purely a midrange jump shooter in the NBA
but these numbers suggest he should be able to get in the lane and score too
I've seen plenty of footage...
of Brooks taking to the hole and rebounding underneath the basket to worry about that.
i feel jilted and thankfuk at the same time
Missing the season, and Dwill and Brooks in the backcourt
The Nets missed out on Kobe because of the talk about him wanting to go to the Laker but in the end its a Laker draft pick that gets a player compared to Kobe.
The Nets have had some bad luck over the decades and it seems to be turning around
Brook Lopez slides to the Nets
New Owner and Arena
DWill gets traded to the Nets
Brooks slides to the Nets
Bogdanovic is acquired by Nets
Lockout to force missed season and possible lottery pick for the Nets? That would be amazing!
Dwight Howard on deck?
Its great being a Nets fan right now
I miss Basketball already
Wish I had those two at the same time as well
Sounds like they are in porn … Jilted and Thankfu…
"The trade that usually happens is the one you never hear about" - Net Income
by imdkidd on Jul 5, 2011 12:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Here is a Bulls pundit the day before the draft discussing who the Bulls should draft...
Brooks would be the perfect shooting guard complement to Rose. He can knock down jumpers, but more importantly, he can create off the dribble, something no one else besides Rose can do. He improved each year at Providence and was second in the nation in scoring last year behind Jimmer Fredette. Brooks is much longer than his 6-6 frame, sporting a 7-1 wingspan. If I’m Gar Forman, he’s my primary target. But they’ll have to move up to get him.
Brooks can dribble, score, rebound and pass the ball. He’s got good size and is athletic.
Other players we have recently drafted all had major holes in their game. (T-Will, CDR, SWAT, Favors to name a few)
The knock on Brooks is that he’s a selfish player and lazy on defense. “Oh my God, what should we do !”
I believe the Nets were lucky to get Brooks. He had to fall in this draft for us to acquire him otherwise if he was drafted 15-20 we probably wouldn’t of been able to trade for him.
In other words why look a gift horse in the mouth ?
by M I K E on Jul 5, 2011 8:26 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Here's a very in depth analysis of Brooks...
from someone who has seen him all four years at Providence, very honest, pros and cons…It was written June 5th, 2011…
http://rfhcollective.blogspot.com/2011/06/nba-draft-steal-marshon-brooks.html
Marshon Brooks has been flying up the draft boards and will probably end up being selected in the top 20 on draft night. The RFH Collective contends that Brooks should be selected in the 8-14 range, ahead of Alec Burks and Jimmer Fredette (sorry Gil). If your team is sitting in that range and needs some perimeter scoring, you better pray they pick Brooks.
by M I K E on Jul 5, 2011 8:40 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
From same article...
Lastly, Brooks is not an elite athlete. He measured decently with 34’’ standing vertical, 38.5" max vertical, 10.74 seconds in the lane agility test and 3.09 seconds in 3/4 court sprint. But unfortunately, he plays slower and less explosively than these numbers might indicate. It’s very difficult to make it on the perimeter in the NBA without a freakish amount of fast-twitch fiber. We’ll see if Brooks can make up for it with length, skill and intelligence.
P.S. The writer of this article still likes Brooks chances in the NBA….
he didn't measure "decently"
Brooks ranked in the top 10 in no-step vertical leap (2nd, 34″), sprint (4th, 3.09 seconds), maximum vertical leap (8th, 38.5″), body fat percentage (9th, 5.2%) and agility (9th, 10.74 seconds).
He plays “slower”…how so? Is he in a slow-paced offense? This is a bunch of bull. Preconceived notion meets up with facts, causing writer to do mental gymnastics.
Just watch the tape.
He doesn’t seem to possess elite athleticism. If you watch players like LeBron James, Josh Smith, Terrence Williams, etc. they get off the floor at a remarkable rate, you can see their sheer speed when they run the court.
You don’t see that with Brooks. We’ll see.
If you're interested, you can follow me @TokenNBR.
Dont include players like Lebron in this, same with Smith who may be the MOST athletic guy in the NBA. He may be a step behind T-Will in athleticism, but his shooting more then makes up for it.
Well ... NI is throwing around the phrase "elite athleticism."
So, I threw out a few names that I believed to be in that category. I’m not saying that Brooks isn’t athletic, but those combine numbers can certainly be deceiving. They don’t necessarily translate directly to the NBA; history shows that.
If you're interested, you can follow me @TokenNBR.
did I say "elite athleticism"?
I did not.
But facts are facts and on the tests used to measure athleticism, he scored VERY high for this year, for his position and historically.
I dont know what else you need.
Um...
Look up five inches on the screen.
If you're interested, you can follow me @TokenNBR.
His movement really gives you that perception
Watch his YouTube vids. It may be because he’s gangly.
by Zartan on Jul 5, 2011 9:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
or maybe he's a smart player...
who doesn’t rely mainly on sheer explosiveness…On tape he looks like he’s playing in slow motion at times, but he always gets to where he’s going. I like that !
by M I K E on Jul 5, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It could be how he plays the game
It also could be that he is just a different type of athlete. He does seem to lack the explosiveness of a quick twitch athlete. Not sure that verticals attest to that type of athletic ability, much in the same manner that Durant tested poorly athletically but I can see with my own eyes that he makes very athletic plays on the court. But that’s just visual gymnastics.
Paul Pierce plays in slow motion
And I think He does just Fine
OUTLAW > BROOK'S SHOE
after seeing the videos pierce
Comes to mind, if he can translate his talent
by SunilP on Jul 6, 2011 6:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
It you read the YouTube post, most ppl tout him but says he moves slow. I say slow but effective. If you watch him play you would see he knows how to get space and if he gets caught up with a defender, he knows how to het his shot in with a man all over him. Brooks will see the FT line a lot if the nets put the ball in his hand(see Wade).
by Zartan on Jul 5, 2011 9:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What the writer is trying to say on the blog that I cited above...
is Brooks is not an explosive athlete. He measures very well statistically speaking but it does not show in his game. I don’t mind that at all. I’m tired of explosive athlete’s (T-Will,Favors,SWAT) who can’t play the game that well, but in the NBA G.M.‘s and scouts love the lighting quick, high flying, death defying player with limited basketball skills over a player who knows how to play but doesn’t have the physical tools of a super athletic specimen.
by M I K E on Jul 5, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree...
If his head is screwed on right, and he works hard, we might have a very special player. I love the fact that Billy King and Co. targeted him at #15, saw him fall and snatched him up so quickly and efficiently.
i rather get the player I want and ultimately fail, then never had the chance to succeed at all…
by M I K E on Jul 5, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Can someone say
Swag?
Brook Lopez is the MAN!
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I don't really hate Outlaw, its just fun to make fun of him
by netsareboss on Jul 5, 2011 8:58 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Confucius says:
“Swag can make man, or break man”
by M I K E on Jul 5, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Confucius also says:
“Swag didn’t make MarShon, MarShon made swag”
Brook Lopez is the MAN!
----
I don't really hate Outlaw, its just fun to make fun of him
Confucius can't be confused
For Confucius says “Crabs will infect the NBA”
Brook Lopez is the MAN!
----
I don't really hate Outlaw, its just fun to make fun of him
Now she confused
Brook Lopez is the MAN!
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I don't really hate Outlaw, its just fun to make fun of him
Get out of here with that yin yang
J/k but did you just finish reading ?
You need self confidence to succed and over confidence may get you Kobe. That is unless you believe the kid a screw up.
by Zartan on Jul 5, 2011 9:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes I'm a biased Nets fans
But I like Marshon over so many of the other guys that went ahead. Burks, Shumpert, Singleton, N. Smith, etc. He is flat out awesome for where we got him, even if he doesn’t pan out, because he has most of us Nets fans excited for Nets basketball. He’d be tearing up Summer League if there was one.
This guy torched the Big East. The league that sent a record 11 teams to the dance. You have to bring it every night and he did it to a tune of 24.6 a game, with his best games being his in conference ones.
Leading the NCAA for BYU, that’s just WAC!
by Dr. Kevin MD on Jul 5, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
OK
Depends. The ones you named obviously except for Burks. What about the Dwill 2? Or Enes Kanter? Or Walker?
Brook Lopez is the MAN!
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I don't really hate Outlaw, its just fun to make fun of him
Let's do a ratio
Value of player relative to slot selected. ie how happy are you with the player you drafted relative to his slot in the draft.
In that case I like him better than:
- Thompson
- Biyombo
- Jimmer
- Burks
#13&14- Morris bros - Shumpert
- Singleton
- Smith
- Jacksom
everyone below him
by Dr. Kevin MD on Jul 5, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Biyombo was pretty worth it at where he was picked
He can be Sean Williams, but without the off court problems
Singleton to me is a very nice pick at what, 19? He’s one of the top defenders in the draft
he is my choice for BUST
he claims to be 18. No one really knows. There is no birth certificate.
he has NO offensive game. Although he led the Spanish League in blocks, he will be a foul machine in the NBA.
He broke Mohammed Saer Sene’s Hoops Summit record for blocks. Saer Sene was drafted at 8 and is out of basketball.
LOL
anytime I talk about a draft bust, I always come back to Saer Sene…what an awful pick
I go back to Yinka Dare
that man could pass the ball
Per 40 minutes, Biyombo recorded 4.7 fouls.
He’s a young big man in a league of men, and he had no trouble staying on the floor. Staying on the court is tough for any young big, especially one on the court for his defense, but I don’t think he’ll have any more trouble than most bigs.
by MyNetsForLife on Jul 5, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
For scale...
Tyson Chandler recorded 4.6 per 40 over the last year.
by MyNetsForLife on Jul 5, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
is he a young man?
there’s no birth certificate.
and 4.7 fouls in Europe is .3 short of disqualification and shot blocking in Europe permits a lot more than NBA. In NBA, some of those blocks would be goal tending.
Thats obvious to me and Kemba
Especially given there measurements.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Hey,
they changed the title…
Brook Lopez is the MAN!
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I don't really hate Outlaw, its just fun to make fun of him
Don't matter NI...
Another Prime Minister once said, and as I recall he was addressing Nets fans at the time …
NETS FANS WILL NEVER SURRENDER !
by M I K E on Jul 5, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Creed of a Nets fan...
"The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven"
One thing people are forgetting
Brooks will be eased into the system and will most likely become the Third or Fourth Option on offense.
We should be content if we get Kittles even though getting a semi-Kobe would be GREAT.
Official Member of the "DIDN'T WANT TO TRADE DERRICK FAVORS, BUT HAPPY WE GOT D. WILLIAMS" Movement
Basketball is rocket science
Those who are bigger, stronger, faster do better
How does Brooks measure up
Height – Above average
Length – Elite
Hand Size – Elite
Speed – Great
Quickness – Great
Production – Elite
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jul 5, 2011 10:23 AM EDT reply actions
and he has a 7'1" wingspan
which is that 6’9" players have.
So his effective height is better than 6’5"
And we’re talking about his hands, his vertical or his speed.
Read the article linked
It has all of them.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
SG height is usually between 6’4-6’7, 6’8 in some cases.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 5, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
MarShon future Nets PG ?
I read on one of those post draft day grade blogs (can’t remember which one right now) that one of reasons the Nets drafted Brooks was insurance if Deron left.
I know Brooks handled the ball a lot with Providence, but could he actually play the point for the Nets in the future if needed? i remember the Nets had T-Will playing PG a few times.
Anybody have an opinion or is this scenario to far fetched ?
by M I K E on Jul 5, 2011 10:51 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I saw that too
Seems very unlikely. You don’t play a guy who had more turnovers than assists at point guard
by Abovetherim13 on Jul 5, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
terrible assist ratio those years as a pg
his first year he averaged .4 assists in 9 mins a game and his second year he averaged 1.4 assists a game in 21.8 mns
by kk30 on Jul 5, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey, I was on vacation in Bar Harbor, ME for a week! I'm back!
T-Will arguments? Marshon Brooks praising/bashing? Doesn’t seem like I’ve missed very much.
by Coach Joe on Jul 5, 2011 11:09 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Hey Joe...Do any fishing up in Maine ?
by M I K E on Jul 5, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
By the way Joe...
you missed NetsDaily "1st Annual Crab Festival ! "
Saved you some leftovers…enjoy.
by M I K E on Jul 5, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Please compare Marshon's athletic numbers to Sean Williams'. I'm curious.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
Sean Williams refused to go to the PreDraft Combine
so there are no numbers. He didn’t want to undergo psychological testing (refused to do so for the Nets as well) and didn’t want to be measured. He would not have measured 6’10". He is about 6’8 1/2".
This is good and all.....
but do you see how many times there is a man open in the “nets are scorching” video, and how little he gets the open the man the ball. That’s great he can score, but on the same token, have to get your team involved, he forces a lot of shots.
I don't think you can count on him for that
I think he’s gonna be like Morrow, but with a more one on one isolation game. Nick Young. But he has the ability to be slightly more versatile than Young in terms of steals and efficiency
Why not, it's the 25th pick
There’s not a whole lot of better options there. I don’t think he’s gonna be some sort of star, but he can be a good role player with perhaps some erratic tendencies ala JR Smith, Nick Young, etc
Good article
looking forward to see him playing in the NBA October 2012
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 5, 2011 12:06 PM EDT reply actions
2012 ?
Lol, I love your optimism. Just think killa by the time the NBA lockout is over with your little son will be walking!
"The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven"
yea
hopefully then he can enjoy his first NBA game.
as for 2012 I just don’t see this ending soon.
Same way I didn’t see Dwight Howard traded before June 30.
I just can’t picture the owners going this far only to back off their demands.
the NBA system is broken. This is not football where everyone makes a profit.
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 5, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
some teams make a lot of money, a ton of money
because they are big markets or run well in small markets.
I dont think that’s an issue for labor negotiations to settle.
Lakers are great, but Spurs are great too. Knicks are in the biggest market but havent won a playoff game in a decade in spite of the fact they have paid out more lottery tax than any other team in that period.
I predict MarShon Brooks...
will dish out more assists then people expect. With players like Deron and Lopez around he will have a better cast of teammates to work with then he had at Providence.
Between Brooks and Morrow the Nets should average about 25 points at SG per game.
by M I K E on Jul 5, 2011 1:42 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
all I care about
is that he turns out to be upper lottery level talent which would mean the Nets lost little when they gave up their lottery pick to the Jazz, who took Enes Kanter, a guy who I’m not sure of (and who is Adrian Wojnarowski and Greg Anthony’s choice for bust…Anthony thinks Brooks is the steal of the draft)
doubt he leaves
but a season long lock out is likely to have individuals think about what’s really important to them.
this lockout is going to kill me
I simply can’t wait to see out team play. :(
"A little boy went out to play. When he opened his door, he saw the world. As he passed through the doorway, he caused a reflection. Evil was born. Evil was born, and followed the boy."
Iman!!
"Some things you just can't question. Like you can't question why two plus two is four. So don't question it, don't try to look it up. I don't know who made it, all I know is it was put in my head that two plus two is four. So certain things happen. Why does it rain? Why am I so sexy? I don't know." - Shaquille O'Neal
by CinnamonToastCrunch on Jul 5, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
There's only one Iman...
"The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven"
by aunt-B on Jul 5, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wish some members on NetsDaily...
would take this blog more seriously.
All these wise cracks and silly photos ruin this site for me !
Lol, I think all the "crab" jokes are making you crabby...
"The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven"
i have crabs
"Some things you just can't question. Like you can't question why two plus two is four. So don't question it, don't try to look it up. I don't know who made it, all I know is it was put in my head that two plus two is four. So certain things happen. Why does it rain? Why am I so sexy? I don't know." - Shaquille O'Neal
by CinnamonToastCrunch on Jul 5, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Do the Nets have enough offense ?
Deron/Farmar 25 ppg
Morrow/Brooks 20 ppg
James/Outlaw 18 ppg
PF ? ……… 10 ppg
Lopez/Petro 24 ppg
TOTAL PPG = 97 ppg ???
97 points would be the 7th worst in the league
Nets gave up over 100 points a game last year
Lopez and Petro
Lopez = 24
Petro = 0
Brook Lopez is the MAN!
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I don't really hate Outlaw, its just fun to make fun of him
by netsareboss on Jul 5, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
rec'ddddd
aaaahhahaha
"Some things you just can't question. Like you can't question why two plus two is four. So don't question it, don't try to look it up. I don't know who made it, all I know is it was put in my head that two plus two is four. So certain things happen. Why does it rain? Why am I so sexy? I don't know." - Shaquille O'Neal
by CinnamonToastCrunch on Jul 5, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
james and outlaw
james = 20
outlaw = -2
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 5, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
we need to actually have free agency before we start thinking about how many ppg we’ll score
by MrDollarBills on Jul 5, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
and
you really think that Damion will average 16ppg? I’d be thrilled
by MrDollarBills on Jul 5, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I have been fantasizing....
that he could be a decent defender that plays the passing lanes like Kittles use to.
Trade Idea
How about trading M.Brooks and D.James for OKC’s J.Harden
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