A Little Joy in a World of Woe
by Net Income on Jul 25, 2011 8:24 AM EDT
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PrintThe current issue of SLAM has features on a slew of point guards: Jason Kidd, Rajon Rondo, Shaun Livingston, Jeff Teague and Mario Chalmers, but the lead article is about Deron Williams, entitled "Hello Brooklyn". Written before the lockout and resulting Turkish Temptation, Jake Appleman still offers a different take on D-Will.
For Appleman, Williams is all about subtlety and his season, the only 20 point, 10 assist gambit of 2010-11, seemed to get lost in subtlety. He writes...
"Almost everything about Williams' 10-11 season was subtle. In November, he led the Jazz to four incredible double-digit comebacks in five days, all on the road, against teams in the Southeast, but that was overshadowed by Kevin Love's remarkable record setting rebounding. His acquisition was dwarfed by the magnitude of Melo talk. Heck, the last game he played in for the Nets this season wasn't televised anywhere. He drained a game-winning stepback jumper against that was like a tree falling in a mostly empty forest."
But Appleman saves his best for last...when he lays out what life could be like in Brooklyn...
- The dish on point guards - ESPN
Carmelo and Amare are still doing their thing (albeit with more help), dominating the World's Most Famous Arena and the tabloids alike. But with Deron Williams and new pick and roll partner, Dwight Howard, slicing up opposing defenses, the Atlantic Avenue Assist Man and teammates are the talk of the League.
Prokhorov is in his luxury box, enjoying the view. The first row is peppered with celebrities. Spike Lee, a conflicted Larry David [ed. note: a Brooklyn native], Beyonce' and Jay-Z, Kim Humphries Kardashian, the cast of MTV's new hit, The Coney Island Shore (produced by Stephon Marbury) and many, many more.
All good things come to those who wait.
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Bring a winning team to BK and every game will be an event. Bring a championship to BK and you are Royalty forever.
by power_njerz on Jul 25, 2011 8:40 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
In Dreams!
We wish; we hope; we pray. Brooklyn says yes, but we are still Jersey and Jersey knows DWill could bolt to the bright lights of LA. I don’t think we will see Spike Lee in Brooklyn. He is a poser anyway. Mr. Brooklyn will remain a Knick fan. Boy, Orange is not his color!
way better than LA
since dodgers BK was calling for a team beside staten island every borough have a team time for BK ,,,,,prime time sint swap no more
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised
if Spike Lee starting showing up to games if the Nets were playing very well. I mean, this is Brooklyn’s team. Spike is all about Brooklyn. His movies are all about Brooklyn. He’ll certainly be in attendance at opening night. Wish Mr. Wallace was still alive to witness this (R.I.P.)
by JerseysFinest. on Jul 25, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
He showed up when the Nets were in the Finals
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i could careless if spike lee comes to a net game, he should just stay at Knick games im happy with Jayz
by RandyOreens on Jul 25, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
i could careless if spike lee OR jay z come to a nets game...
i’m happy with Kim Kardashian!! lol
Strike the Shepherd and the Sheep will Scatter
by JerseyFinest on Jul 25, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would prefer to be the first athlete to enjoy the spotlight in Brooklyn in over half a decade
than the countless players who have enjoyed it in Los Angeles.
"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
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by NetsMets4Life on Jul 25, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Half a century?
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 25, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
DWill, D12, and Barclays will be a better attraction than Stat, Melo and MSG.
The Nets have to land D12 without any bad contracts.
DWill is the most complete PG in the NBA and will get the media attention he deserves in Brooklyn
perfect reason why not to sign Nene here
with all respect to nene i’ll say nono here
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
what do you expect the Nets to do?
Sign Hump and Prince and call it day hoping D12 signs as a FA?
by DJ HeavyDuty on Jul 25, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
why not
team that have cap space and trade sweets like morrow,farmar and 2 #1 draft picks all that could be saved if only Nene wont be a Net …….yes i’ll do that
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Morrow and Farmar aren't gona get you anything.....
Even if you sign Nene, he will have value in trades, so if it’s a lock Dwight would come here, we can always trade Nene away and get some value in return.
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what???
as a GM when your star player walk away you need to clear up you cap space and get some drafts for future that was the way all the time what are you talking about friendly contracts with 1round drafts and Nene that ypud kill your salary cap cant get it
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't have to be for Howard
Godd bigs aren’t dime a dozen, if you need get rid of Nene, its doable. But NETS are in win now, we can’t just sit and wait on our hands, have to sign people that will make an impact. Waiting for howard doesnt work.
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exactly
adding Nene and Prince at least puts our foot on the gas
by MrDollarBills on Jul 25, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree
the nets can’t just sit and wait to see what will happen with dwight.. we need to make moves now… besides dwill is expecting us to make moves to improve this team.. if we don’t, he’ll likely walk… then we’ll lose dwill and whatever chances we have at dwight howard!
Strike the Shepherd and the Sheep will Scatter
by JerseyFinest on Jul 25, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
or you can fleece a team
and remain competitive
A: no one is taking back both arenas and turk. magic will be lucky to dump one
B: magic cannot sit around and “lose” with a sur-70 million dollar payroll
C. Farmar/Morrow couldnt even get us eric gordon or demar derozan so how are they gonna get us dwight?
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 25, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
which is why I've proposed
trading Nene and a like Petro (to get his salary off the books) for Kevin Garnett’s huge expiring contract. We’ll still make the playoffs and still have cap space for Dwight with perhaps some additional cap maneuvering moves at the deadline. Miami did it, why can’t the Nets?
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
However, I admit this is just me fantasizing -- it's not likely to happen lol
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
If there is a full season lockout we won't be signing Nene
2011 free agents and 2012 free agents would most likely be combined into a single free agency period. In that case, we would go HARD for Dwight ala Lebron in 2010. However, this time, it would be a legitimate possibility. Barring something crazy happening in the new CBA, the Lakers would not have cap space, probably making us the favorite. In a way, I am kind of hoping for a full season lockout for the chance to sign Dwight outright. O yeah, and if the NBA determines the draft order like the way the NHL did after the lockout, we would probably have top 5 or 6 odds to get a top 3 pick. Yes Deron could just leave, but I think Dwight/Deron could be more realistic this way.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Jul 25, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah i only speculate if there is a 2011-2012 season
where it would be crucial to make the playoffs
otherwise if the season is cancelled. destroy all blueprints
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 25, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree. Been saying this for a while now.
Nets are proposing Orlando acquire a $14+ Nene, a soon-to-be maxed out Lopez + Gilbert’s contract + Hedo … with lower revenue due to losing Dwight, and no hope for a championship … just perennial middling team. It’s bad business, and it’s a nonstarter. Don’t know why Nets fans think Orlando wants Lopez + Nene. Even if we were to take back Hedo, they’d still be cap strapped, because we’d have to send them Farmer/Morrow to account for Hedo’s contract in the trade, but even Farmar and Morrow are not expiring this season, so they’d still be in cap hell for at least a year and a half. It’s just plain not going to happen.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
1 year of farmar and morrow oevr agent 0 and Turk jordan
really you wont trade those contracts for 2 #1 draft picks and friendly contracts?
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
austin rivers is a player i would love to have
D will is what 26-27 5-6 years from now he’s finnished lottery is way to go
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
what all american
all that and his pops pg and he is a pg pls that boy got game
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
i know that
but still 5-6 years from now who’s going to run pg
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
why are u worried about what's going to happen 5-6 years from now?
if the Lakers went with that strategy they would have gotten rid of Kobe in like 2008 because they knew they would need a new SG by 2013.
well d will going to get old and we going to need pg
Or maybe something happen like with J Kidd i could’twi chip here so let me go etc
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't worry about what would happen in 5-6 years.
DWill would only be 32-33 years old by then and he might still capable of rrunning the team. Kidd’s son might be available tto be drafted by then too :)
by jasperjarrod on Jul 25, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
You don't have to tarde him for howard...
Nene will be tradeable if you need to get rid of him
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so you would pass up on gasol/odom/bynum
for lopez and hump? or lopez and nene?
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 25, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
If I'm ORL
I’d want nothing to do with Nene or Gasol, good players but with huge contracts and who wouldn’t be a good fit if you are going into rebuilding mode.
I don't see Orlando
going into a big rebuild with a brand new shiny arena that needs to be filled.
And that's just an observation
not a counter argument to the bird in the hand (Nene) vs. the one in the bush (Howard) debate.
Lopez and Nene aren't going to fill it
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
that's a different argument
My point is I don’t see Orlando doing a full blown rebuild with only cap space and picks. There is too much salary on the books for any one team to take off there hands and they need to stay a at least a playoff contender to keep people coming to that arena.
woi yoi
Even if you sign Nene, he will have value in trades, so if it’s a lock Dwight would come here, we can always trade Nene away and get some value in return.
what ? did you buines calsess
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
It doesnt have to be value if you put it taht way...but
you still can trade him if we have to…He’s not untradeable like Crabis
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how bout
Nets sign Nene this summer. Nets trade Nene for Josh Smith and sign D12
Dwill
Brooks
Prince
JSmoove
D12
by DJ HeavyDuty on Jul 25, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Can't do that under the cap
but if the Nets give up on Dwight, I would welcome trading Nono for Josh because Josh is a better fit with Deron’s power running game.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
This summer?
There IS going to be a full season lockout. I am very confident of that. We will probably be in Brooklyn when the NBA returns and we will have the ability to sign Dwight outright unless the new CBA changes that.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Jul 25, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
With what cap space?
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Sign Hump and Prince and call it day hoping D12 signs as a FA?
Not enough money under the cap to do that. Will have to adopt my plan, which is to salary dump at the trade deadline.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
That's right.
Other GM’s are just going to be lining up to help us land Dwight.
by BrooksBridges11 on Jul 25, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
we can’t stand still
you bring in nene and prince, you still have assets that can be used to trade for Howard.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 25, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
lets say owners win and ther's hard cap
how will you put nene, d will and d12 with outlows contract
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
such as?
lol I want to hear this
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
Draft picks, cash, Bogdanovic, Brooks, Lopez, Nene, Morrow, Farmar, JWill, three team trades
but there will probably be a full season lockout anyway so this is irrelevant.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Jul 25, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
And I've explained why Nene + Lopez is a nonstarter as a trade proposal
and I don’t think there will be a full season lockout.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
The Lakers offer will most likely be Bynum and Gasol/Odom
Wouldn’t the Nets offer be more attractive? Lopez is younger then Andrew, Mr. Injury, Bynum and has never missed a game. Nene is younger then both Gasol and Odom (and will probably get a little less lucrative contract) and can be used to form a pretty young frontcourt to start the rebuilding in Orlando. Don’t forget, we can also add Bogdanovic (first round talent), Brooks, Jwill, Draft picks, Cash, Morrow (good young shooter), Farmar (pretty young backup PG to challenge Jameer).
by dwill8brooklynbound on Jul 25, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
and draft picks can be saved if there’s full season lockout i dont belive in that but i will change my mind if D12 is brooklyn bound
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
You want to give Orlando back all this non-expiring salary, none of which is as good as Dwight Howard, while they lose season ticket revenue and so forth. It doesn’t make business sense. You’re expecting Orlando to be ok with having to max out Lopez + equivalent of $14 million for Nene under the new CBA + Gilbert will still be on the books, and none of the Nets young players is on a expiring contract … what are you offering that is appealing to them from a business standpoint? The reason why teams go into rebuilding mode when they trade their star player is because it makes more business sense to do that than to try to remain a middling playoff team.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
and please don't try to use Denver as a counter example
because they did receive a huge expiring contract in Eddy Curry whereas you’re propose the Nets not to send Orlando ANY expiring contracts even close to Eddy Curry’s contract.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
Name me a team that can make a better offer
that Dwight would be willing to sign an extension with.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Jul 25, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
like i said
i never had nene in my signigs or trades that contract will be reall deal travesty. But if we can trade for d12 morrow farmar and b lo with 1 round draft picks are gone well his only best center and best d player of past 3 years i’m good
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
no eddy curry went to the timberwolves
and denver got shafted as well as none of the players they acquired have long term deals and all will undoubtedly get monster pay raises and already took effect when they shipped felton to portland
now gallo, chandler are both RFA this year and next year so they will be getting pay raises as well
so its possible that unless denver has to overpay to keep everyone else then the only return they will have is a pick, andre miller, and mosgov while having to sacrifice other players like kenyon, jr, and maybe nene and afflalo
so they got a playoff core but its not going to be around much longer unless they overpay to keep the team together. no one wins on cheap payrolls, young teams dont win, winning and high payrolls go hand in hand in basketball.
magic are not going to “rebuild” while being in the luxury tax. only the knicks field teams like that
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 25, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
theyre not getting Dwight
without at least one bad contract. Otherwise, the deal may not be sweet enough to bait them.
Dwill/?/Josh Smith/Humphries/Superman
2012 NBA Champions
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ohh yeah cap space without nene will do it
agent who withhis finneshed legs will be a new travesty here
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
i have no idea what you're saying
Dwill/?/Josh Smith/Humphries/Superman
2012 NBA Champions
The biggest 14 year old Nets fan on the planet.
tbh
I dont understand any of the guy’s posts.
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by NetsMets4Life on Jul 25, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The Nets
cannot risk sitting on their hands, regardless of there being a season or not
They aren’t going to sit there and field a 38 win team because they want to sign Dwight outright
the Nets will have to be crafty
while being competitive
by MrDollarBills on Jul 25, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup
And I don’t know why, but I’ve moved away from Dwight Howard… because I don’t think he’s leaving Orlando.
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It depends on how the CBA goes
but I think we can add two legit starters and build some momentum. If Brooks can contribute, huge plus. We can’t wait for Dwight.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 25, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
The Nets cannot risk sitting on their hands
Name the posters who are advocating this. Name names. I can think of nobody who has advocated doing nothing. In actuality, this is a strawman argument used to justify giving up on pursuing Dwight.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
who says by
signing players this offseason, we’ll be giving up on Dwight
you don’t know what we can pull off, or what other teams will do in the meantime. The Nets need to make sure that when the season starts, the product on the floor is something that’s going to generate W’s.
Nene isn’t getting a max contract. We don’t know what his salary will look like when the CBA is agreed upon. Hell who knows if we can get him. We just need to make strong but intelligent moves.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 25, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
That's fine, but arguing we shouldn't sit on our hands this offseason is a strawman argument
because nobody is advocating sitting on our hands
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
Actually there are some people
that have been talking about re-signing Humphries and keeping James at SF.
And potentially acquiring some young cheap veteran stud wing player that doesn’t exist.
Basically
status quo until D12 in 2012 is settled.
That's not sitting on our hands
because if we do what your wrote, we still won’t have enough cap room to sign Dwight outright in 2012. The strawman argument that people love to throw around recently is that we shouldn’t sit on our hands and do nothing and wait for Dwight, i.e. don’t sign any free agents this offseason, including Humphries, to preserve space for Dwight. But I haven’t seen anybody argue that we shouldn’t sign any free agents this summer; hence, why it’s a strawman argument.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
Even if we have the cap space next offseason via expirers this offseason( barring full season lockout)
That only guarantees that Orlando will be forced to trade him at the deadline. I highly doubt Orlando is gonna let him walk in free agency. They will search for the best package. There’s no guarantee that Brook Lopez poo poo platter is gonna get it done. If its Nets or bust for Dwight then its all good, but he allegedly has a list of teams that he would be willing to play for. If any of those teams make a more competitive package, then we’re screwed. The Nets would be better served building the best team they can unless they have the inside scoop on Dwight or there’s a lockout obviously.
OUTLAW > BROOK'S SHOE
I've argued that.
Seriously.
Either sign a couple veterans to one-year deals or acquire expiring contracts. I still think you’re being a tad hypocritical if you want the Nets to retain Kris Humphries.
If you're interested, you can follow me @TokenNBR.
signing humphries
and old vets like prince or butler is nothing but a lateral move that unless they are on 1 year deals handcuffs more salary and only makes this team mediocre that will improve slightly from last years 24 wins thus making the situation worse than having a tradeable impact player
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R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 25, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO
If we want Dwight here, we should hope that the season is cancelled.
That’s the only way we’ll get him outside of a trade.
As sad as it sounds
we would benefit greatly if there wasn’t a season, IMO. Still wish there is one and we all can enjoy watching our new DWill-led Nets.
so to open the Barclays Center the lineup will be
Dwill/Farmar
Morrow/Brooks
Barnes/TJones/PJones
Lopez
Howard
by DJ HeavyDuty on Jul 25, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah almost
D will=gaines
Brooks=morrow if he’s healthy enough
AK=outlow=james
BK LOPEZ=Hump
D12=whoever 10 min with either BK or D12 wont hurt
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised if Robin Lopez comes as a backup Center.
I think they’d take pay cuts to be reunited, and from what I’ve heard that would only make them play harder.
Knowing our luck,
Dwight won’t come here as a free agent. If i were him, i honestly don’t know.
But Deron, Dwight, Brook > Wade, LeBron, Ostrich
Dwill/?/Josh Smith/Humphries/Superman
2012 NBA Champions
The biggest 14 year old Nets fan on the planet.
Why I don't understand
When people say no season would be horrible for the Nets, everything is complete by then 2012 free agency, Brooklyn arena, Bogs ready to play in the NBA….
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
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boy can shoot 3’s and play d only way i would consider him over hump if nets have d 12
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 10:40 AM EDT reply actions
one question
If the Union really wanted to play hard ball they could have had all stars opt out this summer.
Lebron
Wade
Bosh
Melo
Amare
DWill
CP3
D12
The owners would be more likely to negotiage sooner
NI have Q for you how much B KING make and how much it will cost to fire him for Outlows contract
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 10:55 AM EDT reply actions
well at least his fired already
Thorn is not the worst GM but drafting omg
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't understand all his respect
He made some great trades: notably J. Kidd’s acquisition, but Marcus Williams, Sean Williams, Josh Boone…. all terrible. Brook was the only smart pick. And that pick was a given seeing how he was supposed to go third.
Dwill/?/Josh Smith/Humphries/Superman
2012 NBA Champions
The biggest 14 year old Nets fan on the planet.
If there is no season this year a couple other teams clear space too like the Knicks and Celtics. If the Nets have cap space and Deron leaves and they whiff on Dwight the franchise is done. We will sign someone out of desperation again.
The 2 picks will be very valuable though.
by power_njerz on Jul 25, 2011 11:29 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
ESPN.com has a discussion on Top Point Guards
and Deron is barely mentioned. Is Deron one of the best PGs currently playing, or are Nets fans simply overrating him because… he is our franchise’s only hope?
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-110725/point-guard-ratings
Avery Johnson can go Outlaw himself.
NETS BASKETBALL…. JUST DEAL WITH IT!
was reading that to
cp3 is best pg when healthy please.not going to say what i want ……………
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
the guy from the clipper blog
said that Deron is the most underrated PG
Williams is a monster. Look at some of the assist totals that he had during the season with a messed up wrist. And playing with some garbage, at that.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 25, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, I'm not sure Deron would start 2012 Oympic team
No doubt he’ll make the team, but with all the PG competition, he might backup CP3 or split time with Rose/Wall/Rondo? If CP3 is healthy, I think he’ll start.
Avery Johnson can go Outlaw himself.
NETS BASKETBALL…. JUST DEAL WITH IT!
no denying if cp3 is healthy he will start
dude had one of the best seasons ever for a point guard back in 07. out of everyone: isiah, KJ, hondo, pistol pete, dude was becoming a perennial mvp threat
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 25, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it'll be
any combination of Rose, CP3 and D-Will. Don’t see Rondo or Wall beating those guys out
by JerseysFinest. on Jul 25, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
There's a poll on ESPN
Deron gets no love… even Rondo gets twice as many votes as DWill, ridiculous…
lol Derrick Rose
"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 25, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
International votes:
Deron Williams- 6%
“Someone else”- 7%
by BrooksBridges11 on Jul 25, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Assuming that Derrick Rose doesn't regress...
He is a more productive player than Deron Williams.
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This is a very interesting topic. I think it branches into the overall philosophy of evaluating players and assessing value.
Many Nets fans tend to argue that “Deron Williams is a better point-guard than Derrick Rose.” And, while I understand what they’re attempting to assert, I can’t help but scratch my head. What does it mean to be a “better point-guard?” We seem to project these duties onto players based on their position; however, the truth of the matter is, a player can only truly be evaluated by the value he provides to his team — or more specifically, the level at which he contributes to his team winning.
Is Marc Gasol a better center — or for that matter, a better player — than Brook Lopez because he rebounds at a higher rate? Is DeAndre Jordan a better center because he’s a more effective defender of other centers? No. We evaluate players based on the net value — just to be clear: that means their performance on both sides of the court — that they provide to their teams.
So … is Deron Williams a better passer than Derrick Rose? Without a doubt. Is he better at setting up his teammates to succeed? Easily. Does he lift the performance of others more than Rose? Probably. Is he a better defender than Rose? Slightly. But — assuming that Rose doesn’t regress from this past season — Rose contributes more to his team than Williams. The numbers display that.
Now the great thing — or the not so great thing — about sports (and politics, and philosophy, and any other subject one can think of) is that everyone has an opinion. Opinions are, by nature, subjective. Statistics, if used properly and fairly, are objective. In order to effectively evaluate criteria — whether they apply to sports or life — one must do so objectively.
Derrick Rose, in just his third year in the league, had a better season than Deron Williams has ever had. Now … could Rose regress? It’s possible. But the history of the NBA — unlike baseball and football — shows us that players tend not to regress until age would dictate so.
So: Is Deron Williams a better distributor than Derrick Rose? Yes. But is he a better player? It doesn’t appear so, going forward.
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Debatable who is better
It depends on what you value more. With Deron he can score but is more of a pure point guard.
I’m a huge Jason Kidd fan and Deron plays like him to a lesser extent.
So to me Deron is better than Rose.
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When you have to shoot, shoot don't talk.
I like players who make their teammates better. Williams is just that.
Rose on the other hand? Does he make individual teammates better? Thats debatable, I dont really think so.
"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 25, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel as if everything I wrote was ignored.
If you're interested, you can follow me @TokenNBR.
Its opinion.
Like you said.
"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 26, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
wow
how do i get worning for my commets i didnt even say magic words and for typing sorry i play game’s on pogo.com same way i did it when i was on espn my bad
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 12:16 PM EDT reply actions
ok
i got microsoft word it’s all good lol
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
no comments
just reading will do that. well i need to do that some dose of netsdaily never hurts
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I assume English is not your first language...
so I think you might deserve some kind of break.
If you don’t ask me asking, where are you from Aidar and how did you become a Nets fan ?
russia
and only reason i’m a nets fan for 10 years is move to BK i h.ave to be ohnest i’ve been only in 3 net game’s and those were vs Lakers hurt my feelings and trip to jersey made it worst
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
and i work with knicks fans
dont ask me what they say about Nets
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
So you live in Brooklyn now...
That sure worked out great for you…
Don’t worry about what Knicks fans say, they are not too bright to begin with.
I guess you will be attending more games once the Nets move to Brooklyn.
Punctuation
I can understand if English isn’t your first language. But I don’t understand how you can write 75 words without using a single punctuation mark.
NetsDaily.com
well
microsoft word is way to go however it’s funny i got registred Nurses on my floor that spell words wrong and not getting fired why?
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
...
Well, Microsoft Word is the way to go. However, it’s funny I’ve got registered nurses on my floor that spell words wrong and are not getting fired. Why?
Did I fire you? No. I asked you to use some periods, so that everyone here can understand you.
NetsDaily.com
Yes,
when you have posted almost 400 comments and you’ve used less than 50 punctuation marks, you get a warning.
Forgive me for caring about the quality of my site.
NetsDaily.com
by NetsDaily on Jul 25, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
thank god you did
I think I damaged a few brain cells trying to understand some posts.
I made the exact same observation earlier today and it got deleted...
(apparently), but at least I didn’t get a warning (yet).
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 25, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
you can cut him some slack
English is not his first language. How would you fell if you werent from here and was trying to discuss basketball, and get warnings for not speaking fluent English?
by nets14 on Jul 25, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree, he could at least try to make an effort
Avery Johnson can go Outlaw himself.
NETS BASKETBALL…. JUST DEAL WITH IT!
So telling him reading is fundamental is not damaging the site?
What a joke.
I’m going to write in all Spanish I’m sure half of the thread wouldn’t understand that. Is that forbidden ?
A little off topic...
“Yeah I’m a Net Deron, Loud and Proud of it too !”
by M I K E on Jul 25, 2011 12:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
OT- If anyone is starved for some Nets basketball, I found the last 30 min of the Bulls vs Nets game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJIAZ-jtL5E
We didn’t win the game but made a very good comeback from ten down and the crowd got very into it.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Jul 25, 2011 12:36 PM EDT reply actions
nice
even outlow makeing shots pls start the season right now…….
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks for posting the link
the first 16 seconds, Outlaw catches, shoots, and hits a simple open jumper
That’s all he has to do, sheesh.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 25, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
whoa
i remember this game. Mean block by Rose on Deron
by MrDollarBills on Jul 25, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
6:20 on the clock. Outlaw makes me want to explode. Open jumper he catches the ball and gets flusterered and travels. The man is worthless.
Avery thinks otherwise.
And Avery walks on water.
Avery Johnson can go Outlaw himself.
NETS BASKETBALL…. JUST DEAL WITH IT!
This is why I smh at those who say Outlaw simply needs to get in shape. Outlaw's problem goes beyond fitness...
Open jumper he catches the ball and gets flusterered and travels.
Avery Johnson can go Outlaw himself.
NETS BASKETBALL…. JUST DEAL WITH IT!
Lmao at Farmar
Even Tibs was saying what the heck was that.
"This isn’t fantasy or rotisserie basketball. Why would Denver want Outlaw? Would you?"
by strange-brew on Jul 25, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
And here is some of the Knicks vs Nets game on ESPN
Dwill was a straight beast towards the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTNWRGxbRF4
by dwill8brooklynbound on Jul 25, 2011 12:46 PM EDT reply actions
Lmao at Farmar at the end.
Even Tibs was saying what the heck was that.
"This isn’t fantasy or rotisserie basketball. Why would Denver want Outlaw? Would you?"
by strange-brew on Jul 25, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what having a superstar player looks like
Nets just made minor issues down the wire and the refs decided to ignore blatant push-offs by Melo down in the paint.
by JerseysFinest. on Jul 25, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Brook at 1:08
He needs to do that more often. He’ll be an all-star next year if he does.
by BrooksBridges11 on Jul 25, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
but he has to really work hard, which I have no doubt he’ll do. He just has to get more aggressive and and work harder to establish position. He already is arguably the best offensive center in the league.
by JerseysFinest. on Jul 25, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
The havoc for the defense
that Williams creates when he gets the ball is great to watch. I look forward to seeing this with better players on the receiving end of his passes.
and this is why we need Nene down there next to Lopez if we can’t get Howard. Watching the bulls get lay ups is frustrating even though this game is old, lol. Hump is a good player but we need someone bigger and that can alter shots.
I agree a hundred percent....
And btw wasnt it you who was saying Dwight or Bust a month ago? lol
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dwill8 good looking
that game had me on edge remember that one however have to admitt hump is way better clean up guy than Nene for less cake
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 1:11 PM EDT reply actions
cant wait to see d will full action vs NYK
all that said Nets can beat Heat with couple players like d stevenson and Piutres maybe rudy gay lets hope they like gasol more than Gay
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
It's called bread
although it all comes from a bakery. ;)
scrilla
cheddar
dead presidents
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
Lol, Talk about inflation...
"The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven"
How would you guys rate this trade?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3aoqv4n
Give out 3 million to each team and some future draft picks. This trade would give the Nets two starters I believe in Dudley and Allen with a solid back up in Robin. It would also give them some younger tradeable assets and still leave nearly the same amount of cap room as before to sign a PF and either keep space open or sign another serviceable player.
Nets line up:
Deron Williams / Gaines
Tony Allen / Brooks
Jared Dudley / Outlaw
Nene or Humphries /Williams
Brook Lopez / Robin Lopez
"I don't care if you gotta FLY... You bettah have my doughNUTS!"
Honestly, I don't think it makes us that much better
you’re just replacing role players with role players. It replaces Morrow, Farmar, James, and Bogdanovic for Dudley, Lopez, Allen. It may make us a bit better, but honestly we wouldn’t be getting a true impact player. BTW, I do not like Dudley and believe his stats are inflated due to the Suns system. He is nothing more then a backup forward and should not be starting.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Jul 25, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
if there's no Nene i'l do that
2 7 footers one can score another one just gets boards and put backs d12 who? i’ve been saying it Robin and Brook vs D12 i’ll take twins 12 fouls vs 6 =twins is good enough
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Robin is really not very good
Suns fans complain about him being soft and taking plays off on defense. He also doesn’t really have much of an offensive game. He actually regressed this past year. No thanks to Robin.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Jul 25, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
he can play d and take 6 fouls
ATL vs Magic was perfect example how to beat D12 and you will gp with suns fans let them have gortat let us get second twin and things will be way beeter rec that
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it was VC4pres who suggested getting Dudley
I think that’s a terrific idea. Young guy who can consistently hit open shots and can attack the basket. Robin Lopez would be an interesting addition as well, but I’d rather do a straight up deal with Phoenix instead of adding Memphis. No need for Allen.
by JerseysFinest. on Jul 25, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Food for thought...
If we didn’t trade for Deron Williams what would our team look like at this point in time ?
Harris/Brandon Knight?/Gaines
Morrow/Swag
James/Outlaw
Favors/J-Williams
Lopez/Petro
Possible 3 # one picks in 2012 draft …and ton’s of cap space
Very interesting…
We had the third pick...
That lineup might seem absurd to us now, but it actually came very close to happening.
I do sometimes wonder who the Nets would of selected with the 3rd pick.
I would have taken Kanter.
"This isn’t fantasy or rotisserie basketball. Why would Denver want Outlaw? Would you?"
by strange-brew on Jul 25, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
my fault!
I Think we would have traded for Derrick Williams. Min didnt want to have him and Beasley logjammed at the 3/4. I believe they would have traded down with us. They could have taken Kanter with the 3rd.
Harris
Brooks/Morrow
Dwilliams
Favors
Lopez
Very young team that wouldnt make the playoffs but would be interesting to watch. More than likely 3 or more players would be gone in midseason trade for some winning vets.
**
I look at it the same way now. If Deron leaves its devastating but we still have valuable picks in 2012.
If we can land Barnes pr Mcadoo then trade a player and a later pick for a pg like Rivers we can recover some ground. Then you have to sign a major player in FA to center it all around.
All is not lost.
not me
this draft was weak.
We got a way better player by trading the pick instead of keeping it.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 25, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Jay-Z is going to be set for the summer with the sales of Watch The Throne
"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur
Hmm
I will guess no. Unfortunately.
"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 25, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
MarShon may have changed his avatar but
Marshon2 Marshon S. Brooks
#netsnation
"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur
+1
i know andres is tight but swag is a net and can 20points in a heart beat.
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
have to say it again
and will tell everybody watch that game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJIAZ-jtL5E
it will show the value of kardashian and machine woi even outlow
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't wait
Until he plays at MSG honestly, lights up Fields and Shumpert.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
by Atronic on Jul 25, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You ever wonder what melted Shumpert looks like ?
by M I K E on Jul 25, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
one thing i cant get
why would be a NYK fan if there’s no hope with Dolan in charge or history lie’s
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess some people just love being miserable...
“Your typical Knicks fan doing what he does best”
by M I K E on Jul 25, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They have 2 of the top 20 players in the league signed for the next 4 years.
I’m pretty sure there’s some hope there.
by Clayton Balch on Jul 25, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Dump Farmar and Petro
Sign Nene $13, Hump $6 and Ak $4
Dwill/Gaines
Brooks/Ammo
Ak/DJ/Outlaw
Nene/Hump/Jwill
Brook/Nene/
OUTLAW > BROOK'S SHOE
This team is better then the Bulls
by dwill8brooklynbound on Jul 25, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Bulls should not have passed on Brooks IMO
He’s exactly what they needed someone else to take pressure off Rose in the backcourt. But its our gain and we are lucky for that.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
well they took boozer
let them take rip hamilton as well Obama cabt play for them his a little busy with economy
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jul 25, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I smell politics
Proky gets what he wants. Yes I’m A conspiracy theorist but I think if Prokahov wanted a PG we would have John Wall. For some reason, Proky wanted a PF. I think that the powers that be , let Brooks fall to the Nets. The whole Celtic thing was crap too. No way Brooks fell like that , no way.
by Zartan on Jul 25, 2011 11:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
nene is gonna want more then 13 mil per
he opted out of a 12 mil deal hes not gonna want just one more million to come to the nets they are gonna have to overpay him.
by Andrew Flynn on Jul 25, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
You'll be back...
Sooner or later they all come back…
by M I K E on Jul 25, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Spike
Think when the time comes, Spike Lee will step up like any true, native Brooklynite and support the home team, doing it up the way Hulk Hogan did when he joined the NWO (remember that?!).
Come on stage with his Landry Fields jersey, rip it off and throw on the new D-Will Brooklyn Nets jersey with “Brooklyn Go Hard” playing in the background!
"Come on Spike, be a man and walk away from them Knicks"
by M I K E on Jul 25, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
"Shaken, not stirred..."
"The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven"
"Spike finally did the right thing"
" I can’t believe I’m still a Knicks fan ! "
by M I K E on Jul 25, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
"Let me help you park Mr. Dolan"
" See you later Jimmy…I’m off to Brooklyn ! "
by M I K E on Jul 25, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
LMAO,
that guy needs his * whooped
speaking before you think can have severe consequences, however doing it in reverse can have beautiful results!
"That guy."
I’m speechless.
If you're interested, you can follow me @TokenNBR.
Indeed.
You catch Curb last night? Oh my god, that was excellent.
"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 25, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Sunday nights, good sir.
"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 25, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
"She said no matter what."
“LOL to that,” sir. LOL to that.
If you're interested, you can follow me @TokenNBR.
Golf Tournament was so, so perfect.
"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 25, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
This is how I know I am a die hard fan.
http://twitter.com/#!/DeronWilliams
Deron’s avatar was originally a navy blue D-Will logo, and now its red. More importantly, note his background. Earlier, “Deron Williams” was in gray, whereas now it is a more Nets-centric red.
Good god, let the lockout end.
"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur
How is it legal to lock out the players?
What is a contract then? Players should all call it a done season and go play over seas for a year, even if the lockout is done.
by Zartan on Jul 25, 2011 6:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'm not trying to act like a homer or anything
But I was skimming over ESPN’s debate over who the best PG in the game is, and the question I have is is Chris Paul significantly better than Deron Williams? I mean both have excellent court vision, some say Paul’s is better, but since they’ve both entered the league, I’ve always thought D-Will was the more versatile scorer. Stronger, larger stature, and a better shooter imo.
Am I completely wrong?
Yes.
The gap between Deron Williams and Chris Paul is as vast as the one between Carmelo Anthony and LeBron James. Literally.
Paul is, by far, a better player than Williams. The sample size is more than sufficient to reach such a conclusion. Paul is a better scorer, a better defender, a better passer. He’s just a better player. Some point to Paul’s recent injury and claim that it brings him down to — or even below — Williams’ level, but it’s simply not true. Many seem to forget that Williams has struggled with injuries throughout his career and has said that he doesn’t know if his ankle, which he injured two years ago, will ever get back to full-strength.
However, the head-to-head match-ups do cause one pause (the real kind).
If you're interested, you can follow me @TokenNBR.
When fully healthy, CP3 is on a whole different level then any other Pg in this league
However, I do not think he will ever be fully healthy again. If Deron recovers from his wrist injury and CP3 stays at a 16/10 type of level like this past year, I think Deron is as good or better.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Jul 25, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
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