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From Musty Digital Files, The Nets Reconstruct Their History

When you can't talk about the present and your future is freighted with the possibility of a lost season and the certainty of a Brooklyn move, what do you talk about if you're the Nets?  Well, the past, or should we say, history. The Nets have compiled what they are calling "Nets History 101" on the official website in hopes of reinvigorating traffic.

With the trusty Ben Couch acting a curator, the History 101 includes, for starters, a photo gallery of Drazen Petrovic and another covering the Nets' origins in the ABA. There's also the Nets' Timeline, year-by-year Draft History, Season-by-Season records and features on the highly successful 1981 draft and Petrovic's greatness.

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How sweet life would be, if I could be free, from the sinner in me.

by BrooNets on Jul 20, 2011 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

All-Time Net!

My Team:
Jason Kidd-Drazen Petrovic-Julius Erving-Buck Williams-???? (Right now it’s tricky. I’d say either Darryl Dawkins or Mike Gminski. When all is said and done maybe Brook Lopez, but hopefully Dwight Howard)

Opulence, I has it.

by J-Sal on Jul 20, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh boy...

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by eLonepb on Jul 20, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

joke

Just bustin your chops Andres after the marshon thread.

by Netted on Jul 20, 2011 8:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Most of that is true..

Petro was a free agent and contemplating a return to Europe at the time of his death. Petro was also more of a pure shooter. But what does ANY OF THAT have to do with who the better player is? Terrence Williams is far more versatile than Kerry Kittles could ever dream of being (even before the injuries) but who would you rather have start for you?

Aside from being a deadly shooter (52% from the floor including 45% from three) the guy was a leader. He led a brand new, war-torn country to an Olympics silver medal scoring 25 points, dishing three assists and picking up 3 steals a game in the process. This in 40 minute games where he twice went head-to-head against the real and only “true” Dream Team.

Back in NJ and surrounded by quite possibly the most dysfunctional team in sports history (Coleman and Anderson as starters of course, but also a bench consisting of Chris “Trade Me” Morris, Dwayne “Why Practice?” Schintzius, a multiple wife beating offender, and for a final touch, a murderer too) Petro willed them into a playoff contenders. You can say they didn’t get out of the first round, but what were Coleman/Anderson doing before Petro got their? What were Coleman/Anderson doing after he was gone?

I can say for a fact that J-Kidd’s career didn’t miss a beat with or without the “fake tough” aspect Carter brought along. I can also say that in many-many-many more opportunities, and always surrounded by a better cast, Carter has only seen the Conference Finals once. This from a guy who played with T-Mac, Bosh, Kidd and Howard.

If Petro had lived and left for Greece of course his number never would have been retired. If he had lived and stayed with the Nets (remember he only played here for 2 yeas after 2 years as a Portland bench player but where he did play a role in reaching the NBA Finals) and continued to add to his prime years, chances are it would have been. All that is up for debate.

We know for a fact tho that “15” ain’t getting retired. I do think VC unquestionably ranks ahead of early ABA-Nets like Bill Melchioni and Super John Williamson and it sucks that standards were lower then. I do also think Vince comes off as a very nice guy. But to have his jersey hang alongside Doc, Buck, and in the future, Kidd? No way!

Vince helped bring excitement to the team during the post-Kenyon Martin mess. He was refreshing. He scored a lot, he wowed a lot, he awed a lot, but he didn’t win a lot. He didn’t lead a lot. He didn’t get in the faces of his enemies the way Drazen did every time John Starks or Rolando Blackman tried stepping up to him. Sadly when the Nets needed him most, he often wilted.

Petro never wilted. He was never considered soft. He never had nicknames like “Wince.” He never admitted to quitting on his team. Instead, like Reggie Miller, he loved the big shot, loved talking trash after sinking it, and loved leading. All things Carter shied away from.

You’re right, not even close.

Opulence, I has it.

by J-Sal on Jul 20, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

(somewhat off topic...

…I think all of this Panathinaikos talk is revisionist history anyway. Greece was an ally of Serbia at the time. Croatia’s single biggest national hero playing for a Serbian ally would have been pretty awkward in 1993.)

Opulence, I has it.

by J-Sal on Jul 20, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeez

I mean, Petrovic himself told a Greek paper it was all but done and that he had no intention of staying in the NBA. He was going to sign for $6.5M a year.

by Andres B on Jul 21, 2011 6:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you

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by eLonepb on Jul 20, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

and you can also note

petro’s role on the powerful yugoslav teams in the 80’s while VC’s best olympic times were being a “leader” on some of USA’s most dysfunctional and embarrassing olympic teams and his best moment was a dunk on some tall softie.

if VC was in drazen shoes MJ would say: “i thought it was going to be tough but my talents must have overwhelmed him”

instead it goes something like: “that was one of the toughest individuals i have ever had to play against”

for a modern day example if kevin martin is not getting his jersey retired for a team that gets mocked for “retiring everyone that suits up for them” then why should the nets retire VC because he scored some points?

all VC will be known for is the Honey-dip. i’d rather retire sugar rays jersey before Vince giving the circumstances and impact he had on the team

The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 20, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

LoL, the 2000 USA team was still more talented than that Yugoslav team. And the USA beat Croatia by what 30-40 points in the final? Yes they played against an unbelievably talented team, no doubt the best team in basketball history, but let’s not act as if they truly challenged them.

And SMH @ the Kevin Martin mention… really? Kevin Martin doesn’t belong in the same sentence as Vince Carter, and neither does Petrovic. Kevin Martin, my god, that just shows you how criminally underrated Vince Carter was.

And again please explain to me what Petrovic did as a Net to deserve having his jersey retired. If it weren’t because of his earl death, the Nets would have never EVER retired his jersey.

by Andres B on Jul 21, 2011 6:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I mean

the ONLY time Martin made the playoffs with the Kings he wasn’t even a regular starter (Bonzi Wells and Ron Artest started at the wings), and he was nothing but a 13ppg scorer. And you are comparing the Kings retiring his jersey to the Nets retiring Carter? Just wow.

It’s funy, because if anything, talent wise Petrovic was close to Martin that he was to Carter. And, in case like that (Petro vs. Martin) you could put Drazen ahead because of his “heart”. With Carter, the gap is way too big.

Oh and by the way, I do believe the Kings did the right thing by retiring Vlade’s and CWebb’s jersey, I don’t know why anyone would mock them for doing it. It was one of the most exciting teams in the history of basketball AND they were the ONLY team to truly challenge the Lakers during their 2000-2002 threepeat. Even if that Kings team didn’t make it to the finals, their 2002 playoff run deserves way more credit (WAY MORE) than the Nets 2 finals runs in an icnredibly and historically weak eastern conference.

by Andres B on Jul 21, 2011 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

As for Carter scoring "some" points

He just didn’t score “some” points. He is one of the most prolific scorers in the history of basketball, and is the 2nd leading scorer in the Nets franchise history. He holds franchise records for most 40+ point games and most points scored in a playoff game.

I find it funny that someone who defends Petrovic trashes Carter because he just scored “some” points. All Petrovic could do was score “some” points, and not at the level Carter did during his Nets years.

And Carter was not just a scorer. During his years in New Jersey, he was hands down one of the most complete perimeter players in the league, averaging 27-6-5, 24-6-4, 25-6-5, 21-6-5, 21-5-5… not many players averaged those kind of numbers during those season…

VC recorded some triple-doubles (4 or 5, I believe… including an impressive one against WAS*), Petrovic had none, in fact, during his Net career, Drazen had just a whopping TWO games in which he recorded at least 10 pts, 6 rebs and 6 assts. Carter had SEVENTY THREE. ’Nuff said.

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Elias Says

Vince Carter and Jason Kidd both posted triple-doubles in the Nets 120-114 overtime win vs. the Wizards, marking the first NBA game in which two teammates each had a triple-double since Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen did it against the Clippers, also an overtime game, on Jan. 3, 1989. But it had been even a longer time — just over 30 years — since we had seen an NBA player get a triple-double in which he had totals as high as Carter had in both points (46) and rebounds (16). The last player to do that was Phoenix center Alvan Adams, who had 47 points, 18 rebounds and 12 assists against the Buffalo Braves on Feb. 22, 1977. Besides Carter and Adams, the only other players in NBA history to get a triple double that included as many as 46 points and 16 rebounds were Elgin Baylor and Wilt Chamberlain (who did it twice).

Carter’s triple double is the second highest total for a triple double, second only to Alvan Adams of the Phoenix Suns who tallied 47 points and 18 rebounds and 12 assists over 30 years ago

Not only was Carter more than just a scorer, he was a GREAT scorer and a very complete player. It’s not just him scoring “some” points.

by Andres B on Jul 21, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Petrovic was not just contemplating going back to Europe

I know (as in KNOW) it was a done deal. He would have signed with Panathinaikos Athens and the Nets would have never retired his jersey.

Petro was also more of a pure shooter. But what does ANY OF THAT have to do with who the better player is? Terrence Williams is far more versatile than Kerry Kittles could ever dream of being (even before the injuries) but who would you rather have start for you?

As I said, Petrovic was the superior shooter. No doubt. But Carter was a great shooter, too and his range is ridiculous, I haven’t seen that many players with such a crazy range. He shot halfcourt shots like they were jumposhots.

And that is the only aspect of the game Petrovic was better than Carter at. It is not that he’s just more versatile, he was the flat out superior player in every other single aspect of the game. Please. It is not even close, it truly isn’t. Petrovic could not post up the way VC did (and even still does), nor attack the rim, nor play above the rim, nor pass the way VC could, nor rebound like VC did. Petrovic was an excellent shooter and very good scorer, but he was quite one-dimensional.

I can say for a fact that J-Kidd’s career didn’t miss a beat with or without the "fake tough" aspect Carter brought along.

If it weren’t because of Carter’s arrival, Kidd would have not made the playoffs with the Nets between 2005-07. The Nets were NOT a playoff team when Carter arrived, despite the presence of Kidd and Jefferson on the team.

Vince gets a lot of criticism among some Nets fans for not leading the team back to the Finals, and I think it’s ridiculous, because you cannot compare the situations in 2002 & 2003 and when VC was on the team. The East was a joke back in 2002 and 2003. The Nets would have been the 5th and 7th seed in the West those years. There is just no way they would have made it past even the first round if they played in the West. There is no way they would have made it past the 2nd rd if the east was as strong as it was during the VC years here. With VC here we didn’t have a good big man rotation, bench or coach, all things we had in 2002 and 2003. The 2002 and 2003 Nets teams didn’t have to face a team leading by Dwyane Wade, Shaquille O’Neal and Pat Riley. In 2005-06, despite having a joke of a bench, the Nets, LED by Carter won 49 games, the 2nd best record in franchise history… that is as many wins as when they made it to the finals in 2003. The difference was the competition they faced in the postseason.

In 2003-04, the year before Carter got here, when the Nets still had Martin, Kittles, Harris and Rogers (basically the same team that made the final the year before) they could not make it past the 2nd rd already, because the competition got tougher with Detroit getting Larry Brown and Rasheed Wallace. So, contrary to what some Nets fans believe, Carter never ruined an NBA Finalist caliber team. They were not even a playoff team, despite the great Kidd and Jefferson being on the team. Like ROD THORN said, Carter brought our credibility right back and saved us when it seemed we were heading back to misery.

This from a guy who played with T-Mac, Bosh, Kidd and Howard.

Come on, buddy. Let’s be honest here. He played with TMac what a couple of years when he was a 3rd and 4th year player, he was not the star he then turned into while in Orlando, give me a break. He played with a rookie Bosh, an ELEVEN points per game player. Sheesh. He played in the psotseason with Howard ONE year and when he was already 34 years old.
But to have his jersey hang alongside Doc, Buck, and in the future, Kidd? No way!

If Buck Williams’ jersey is retired, then Carter’s absolutely should, too.
He scored a lot, he wowed a lot, he awed a lot, but he didn’t win a lot.

And what exactly did we win with Petrovic? WHAT? We didn’t even get past the 1st round! We didn’t get any farther into the postseason with Buck than we did with Carter. Please be honest.

Btw, Carter also played with a wife beater, one that quit on the team with things got ugly, unlike Carter did here. Funny how you remember Carter quitting on the Raps but don’t want to remember how VC stood up for this team even if he had to waste 2 of his last truly good years with a rebuilding team that was going nowhere and that challenged for the worst record in the history of the game right after he left.

by Andres B on Jul 21, 2011 6:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rod never questioned Carter’s effort while with the Nets and had nothing but positive things to say about him even after he left. Yet he criticized Kidd for not giving his all during his last season here.

For all the hate Carter gets for the way he left Toronto, he was nothing but a class act here and always gave his all, showing a loyalty to the Nets Kidd never showed.

by Andres B on Jul 21, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh boy as in you have nothing but wild dramatic statements

Makes me hink you are basically an attention seeker.

Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
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by eLonepb on Jul 20, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

SMH

Is saying Carter was a superior player to Drazen a wild, dramatic statement? Hilarious. If you disagree with it just make your point, don’t post things like oh boy or try to question other posters with garbage like this you just wrote.

by Andres B on Jul 21, 2011 6:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yawn Andres

Lots of yawns.

Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
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by eLonepb on Jul 21, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I always wondered how Nets teams and players...

would of fared without having to have played second fiddle to the Knicks all those years…

The Nets were always outside looking in, but soon they will have a front row seat !

Go Nets !

by M I K E on Jul 20, 2011 2:45 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Don't sell Dr. J

And the Nets aren’t playing second fiddle to the Knicks…

Tiny A injury only made things ridiculously worse. Keep those two players, throw in Super John Williamson, add the future draft picks and the Nets would have blown away the Knicks in the late ’70s and most of the 1980s.

Opulence, I has it.

by J-Sal on Jul 20, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

they should have a throwback year next year

wear all the Jerseys in their history, have an ABA night, a Drazen Petrovic night.

by nets14 on Jul 20, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

The Nets have a storied past. There is much to be proud of…
Go Nets!!!

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by aunt-B on Jul 20, 2011 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

question for the History buffs

i was going thru the nets season records and noticed … in 1996 we won 26 games.. but jumped up to 43 wins in 1997… only to go bak to 16 wins (in the 1998 shortened season) … anyone care to explain what happened in 1997 ??

by blazin pp face on Jul 20, 2011 3:46 PM EDT reply actions  

From Wiki...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey_Nets

The 1998–99 season was delayed for three months due to an owners’ lockout of the players. When the abbreviated 50-game season began, the Nets were a fashionable choice by experts as a surprise team after their previous run. However, Cassell was injured in the first game and the team started poorly. With the Nets underachieving at 3–15, the Nets traded Cassell to the Bucks, while the Nets acquired Stephon Marbury from the Minnesota Timberwolves. After two more losses, Calipari was fired and replaced by assistant coach Don Casey. The team never recovered from its poor start to finish at 16–34. With the Nets already eliminated from playoff contention in April, Marbury collided with Williams in a game against the Atlanta Hawks; Williams broke his tibia, the second time he had suffered such an injury in two years, and would never play in the NBA again.

by M I K E on Jul 20, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's asking about 1997...

…which was a GREAT year… The team had a solid lineup in Jayson Williams, Keith Van Horn, Kendall Gill, Kerry Kittles and Sam Cassell, all injury-free for the most part, and John Calipari coaching, and they managed to make the playoffs on the last day of the season.

Then the injury bug took its toll two years in a roll and took the team back to mediocrity before Thorn came in and turned things around.

by Proballxx on Jul 20, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

97-98 was my personal favorite Nets season...

That last game against the Pistons when the Nets clinched the playoff birth with the win was NUTS. I was at the game with my dad about 10th row back along the baseline. When the final buzzer sounded Kendall Gill threw the ball as high as he could into the air. The crowd was going nuts. What a great game.

And the Nets actually played the Bulls tough despite the sweep !

by Kmart6nets on Jul 20, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best news i just found out today. NBA 2k12 is still scheduled to come out on oct 4. WOOHOO.

and Nets have a great history but with out a championship it seems incomplete.

by Gr8tness on Jul 20, 2011 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

You mean past superstar players right?

They did that in NBA ELITE 11 and NBA live 10 it’s really easy.

by Gr8tness on Jul 20, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a great idea for Yormark

Reversible jerseys with current / former Nets players.

I’d love a reversible Kidd / DWill jersey… or a Morrow / Petrovic.

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by eLonepb on Jul 20, 2011 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

hed rather sell you a jarvis hayes/lebron james jersey

honestly i cant blame the guy for all but ignoring the nets history. they were never viewed as a “cool” team and the people who buy the most merchandise are in a really young demographic.

deron williams is better than kyrie irving

by William_H_HOLLA on Jul 20, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

in other words

You sulk and act like an uninteresting introvert then you’re an uninteresting introvert. You wear you’re history with pride and promote it with positive energy then people will start to look at it differently. It’s all marketing.

by Netted on Jul 20, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

marshon's swag might land him a nike deal

hope he gets it seeing as how he hasnt got a penny from the NBA or even signed a contract yet. hope his agent is taking care of him.

deron williams is better than kyrie irving

by William_H_HOLLA on Jul 20, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://twitter.com/#!/Marshon2/status/93704252735758337

deron williams is better than kyrie irving

by William_H_HOLLA on Jul 20, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want to know when we see the Nike Air Brooks.
Marshon2 Marshon S. Brooks
Great meeting…what y’all on?

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-Tupac Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jul 20, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah nothing cool bout:

Dr J, 3-point line, slam dunk contests, pressure defenses, a renegade league featuring a red-white-blue ball, bikini clad cheerleaders, nick names like Doc, Supe, The Whopper, Afros and long hairs!

I’m sure the slow down, brown ball, 3 chances to sink 2 free throws playing Knicks (all old and fading) were much cooler back then…

Opulence, I has it.

by J-Sal on Jul 20, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok bro, i'm with you, but i was born in 86

since ive been following sports nets have been looked at as 2nd class citizens in NY. I’m not saying the nets are lame, i’m just saying the public opinion of them hasn’t been great. Even when the nets were stomping the starbury lead knicks into oblivion MSG was still selling out and the meadowlands weren’t. There’s not really much debate to it.

deron williams is better than kyrie irving

by William_H_HOLLA on Jul 20, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

My handle says it all....

when we are talking about All-Time greats for this franchise

Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!

"We'll be the first really global team in the NBA. For me, being the first foreign owner, I want to do my best to invite all the fans for the team all over the world. I think the NBA is worldwide. But other teams [possess a] more local mentality. We are going to create and to build a global franchise to sell all around the world. I think I have a competitive advantage compared to other owners." - Mikhail Prokhorov

by Kidd2Petrovic on Jul 20, 2011 7:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Brett Yormark and bkdefend like this tweet

brotherfuture94 Warin H.
 retweeted by Marshon2
#Nets r rising. RT @amartelSwavey Never thought I would buy a Nets jersey but I’m def gonna have to rock a @Marshon2 #netsnation

"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jul 20, 2011 7:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Thats my tweet!

D-Will > Carmela

by Gdepp94 on Jul 20, 2011 8:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

well played mauer

"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jul 20, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good!

It sucks when we have to rely on youtube videos to celebrate our good times…ok now that the plug is out of the way, a hem…

My dream Nets roster is as follows:

PG: Kenyon Martin
SG: Kenyon Martin
SF: Kenyon Martin
PF: Yi
C: Kenyon Martin

Timeless - The 2001-2003 NJ Nets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nima3dmLrcw

by GMJigga on Jul 20, 2011 9:44 PM EDT reply actions  

That's a lot of chest bumping

And lots of work for Chair in practice.

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by eLonepb on Jul 20, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

Beat writers could write page after page about how Chair and Rim contribute to development in daily practices.

Timeless - The 2001-2003 NJ Nets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nima3dmLrcw

by GMJigga on Jul 20, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Btw, this is wrong


“Drazen Petrovic Photo Gallery
Before joining the NBA, Drazen – playing for the Yugoslavian National Team – squared off against the Celtics in the 1988 McDonald’s Open in Madrid, Spain.”

He played with Real Madrid in that Tournament, not the Yugoslavian NT.

by Andres B on Jul 21, 2011 9:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Man, looking at those retro Uni's..

It Boggles my mind that Yormarket has stuck with the current fugly iteration..
Blah.

by BubbaMcBubba on Jul 21, 2011 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

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