Brooks Drops 48 in New York Pro-Am, Wows Fans with Shot, Dunks, Swag
by Net Income on Jul 20, 2011 1:10 AM EDT
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When the game was over and Big Apple Basketball, led by Jamario Moon, had beaten Dyckman/NYAC by two in overtime, the crowd surrounded the star of the game on the floor of the Baruch College ARC, seeking autographs. They weren't thrusting their jerseys or paper at Moon or John Lucas III, both NBA players last season.
Instead they went for MarShon Brooks, the Net pick out of Providence wearing No. 11. He had just missed the last shot, which would have won the game. No matter. He scored 48 points on 32 shots, at times dominating Moon. More that that, though, Brooks seemed at ease, knowing he was the best player on the court and fully enjoying it. It was only a summer Pro-Am game, but what he showed went beyond the numbers.
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Free agent money
should be solely spent on SF/PF. The end.
by NetsKiNG on Jul 20, 2011 1:15 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Don't let 48 points in a pickup game fool you.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Should we let 52 points in a Division 1 conference fool us?
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
by eLonepb on Jul 20, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, don't let that fool you either.
Again, I’m not saying he won’t be the answer, I hope he is, but even if he’s the answer in the long term, chances are we need some help, at least for a year or two to bolster that position.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Opinions cant be wrong.
"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 20, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Well actually they can, but you guys get the point.
"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 20, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
If opinions couldn't be wrong, they would be facts
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
After signing Hump...
Nets also need a backup PF. The Jordan Williams / Travis Outlaw (as smallball 4) isn’t sufficient, IMO. Signing a SF who can play PF, such as AK47, would work, IMO.
That is one of the advantages of signing Hump isntead of Nene
Since Hump has a $6.4M cap hold, it would leave us enough room to add a quality back-up 4. If we sign Nene not only would we be left with noting but minimum deals to offer to possible back-up PFs, but we may not even able to afford a good enough SF.
Yup
Even if you think Nene is better than Hump (as everybody except for me seems to), the question is whether the upgrade from Hump to Nene is worth $4M+, as opposed to spending that money (and possibly more, given the cap hold situation) on a starting SF, backup PF, etc.
by A.S. on Jul 20, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hump,Prince, backup big and vet bargain SG
Avery will feel better with a vet SG on the roster. We are only 2 deep at the position. My vote is for mike Redd. Coming off injury. Lockout should give even more time to re-gain strength. Should welcome the chance to play with Deron,Prince, Brook and be real cheap as well. Kurt Thomas/ Chuck Hayes for the extra big and the win…
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
After watching him in person
I 100% agree, real deal plus has those long arm was stripping people all day, had a block as well.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
It was a pro am game
cant judge nothing on that
by nets14 on Jul 20, 2011 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There are things you can judge
His size, speed, length, stop and go ability, shot making. Also he was playing against moon pretty much all day.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Obviously not drop 48 lol
Maybe one day, but he most defiantly has the ability to succeed, there are guys that you see and say he has it. His ability especially to hit the pull up jumper will take him a long way, that crossover is deadly with his long arms, as is his stop and go ability.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
TWill has the talent
he just doesnt have the discipline, the maturity.
by Net Income on Jul 20, 2011 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
That's it exactly
Let’s see how Brooks handles NOT being the best player on the floor.
by Frigidevil on Jul 20, 2011 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
TWill fits 2 well know sayings when talking about prospects.
1. looks like TARZAN plays like JANE
2. Million dollar body 10 cent brain.
The only thing stopping him from being a good player is himself but thats usually the hardest person to beat
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jul 20, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Big difference
Is the head on the player and the game, T-will was all about the dunk and athleticism, Marshon has basically the total package offensively. T-will couldn’t shoot to save his life, or become a go-to player.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
all im saying
is we cant rely on an unknown to carry our SG rotation
by nets14 on Jul 20, 2011 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
U can’t rely on a 25th pick in a week draft.
by MichaelJordan on Jul 20, 2011 1:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
We should sign a SG and SF
by MichaelJordan on Jul 20, 2011 1:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Trust in Brooks
The kid has everything going for him. There is no way on this planet that he will not be a 20+ppg player. Only person that can stop him is Avery, not himself either.
Brooks will not disappoint , I promise.
by Zartan on Jul 20, 2011 12:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nope
I see the kids career playing out before my eyes. Kid will be awesome.
Despite the fact he took 32 shots to get 48pts.
by Zartan on Jul 20, 2011 2:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And this is the proof of fans overrating the hell out of their own youth.
This guy could be a complete bust, he threw up 48 points in a game about as serious and competitive as an And 1 Mixtape Tour…
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Everyone? Hahaha
Not me or not the 6 of us over here. Twill is athletic, but his moves are so stiff. We didn’t see it in him from the get go … Even in highlight videos of him in youtube. We were never excited in him … Not even close to the excitement that we have right now for Brooks.
and it doesn't mean he won't either
as Bondy wrote, One thing is very clear: MarShon Brooks will not have trouble creating his own shot.
by Net Income on Jul 20, 2011 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who cares if he can "create" a shot?
He needs to be able to MAKE the shots.
well, we do need more shot creaters, we are lacking in that dept.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
No. Absolutely not.
The Nets need more shot MAKERS. They had plenty of shot creators – i.e., Travis Outlaw – the problem was that their shot creators were completely awful at making the shots they created.
That's like saying "guns don't kill people...bullets do."
You must first create a shot before you can make it.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 20, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
like he said anybody can "create" a shot
we need people who are good at making the shot
and guns dont kill people. people kill people. i never saw a gun get up load its own chamber and go fire away on someone
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 20, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
there's a difference
between “creating” shots and “chucking.” just shooting doesn’t necessarily mean you created your own shot.
"Rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for Steve Jobs to win the lotto." - Chris Rock
by Taylor Made on Jul 20, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
so when kobe makes the shots he's a shot maker
but when he bricks the other half of the time he is just unfortunate. it was never a bad shot or bad judgement
when jr smith makes a shot he is an explosive scorer but when he misses he is a knucklehead chucker
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 20, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
When J.R. Smith gets five championships...
He can have the benefit of the doubt.
@NetsROC
by NetsROC on Jul 20, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You can certainly
Make a lot of dumb shots which is what Kobe does. He takes stupid shots but they go in.
Travis Outlaw can create all the shots you want.
I prefer players that make the shots.
No he cannot.
I have yet to see him consistently create space 1-on-1.
by xs0ng on Jul 20, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
there is a difference
between breaking your man down and creating space to make a shot and dribbling away hardly moving and chucking up a jumpshot.
this team needs players that can make their own shots. I cannot believe some people cannot distinguish “chucking a shot” from “creating a shot”
In order of where we should spend IMO
1) PF
This is mainly because, well, we need to spend $$$ here. Decide if Hump is good enough going forward or upgrade while spending more cash.
2) SF
Travis Outlaw? The Omen coming off an injury? Gotta fill that in with something.
3) SG
I guess I have more confidence in Morrow, Sasha, and Brooks than others…
"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 20, 2011 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Sasha is probably gone, victim of the classic roster pinch
unless the Nets want to fill up all 15 slots.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
no he is gone
he is spending the year in turkey lockout or not
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 20, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
He isnt gone.
Yet.
"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 20, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I did not hear that his contract prevented him from returning to the Nets.
"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 20, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
No out clause?
Honestly did not know this.
"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 20, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
We still need a SG... we desperately do.
Brooks tearing it up in a pick-up against amateurs doesn’t change that one bit.
but we still need someone there IMO
I think we need a vet, someone who comes on the cheap if, as expected, we spend most of our cap space filling both forward positions. I’m not gonna believe we are set at the 2 because of what Brooks did in a pick-up game among amateurs and 2-3 low profile NBA players. Morrow is not a starter IMO, he misses way too many games and is way too onedimensional to start and play 3+ mintues, he is an excellent 3 pt specialist, but he is way too below average at many important aspects of the game to have that kind of a role.
i think the consensus now
is if the nets get defensive-minded forwards then they need a quality starting 2. if they can get some forwards that can score as well then they can settle for a tony allen, thabo sefolosha, keith bogans type 2 guard
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 20, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
if we upgrade
with Nene and Prince or Nene and AK47, we just need a defensive minded guard to fill out the SG rotation. Someone that isn’t costly and won’t require a ton of minutes.
you have to remember: Lopez and Williams are 20ppg scorers. We just need someone that can break down opponents off the dribble and that guy could be Brooks.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
i agree this is all i'm saying
if pf/sf slot is:
james/mbah-a-moute
hump/west
then they need to get marcus thornton, aaron afflalo, wilson chnadler, thad young, caron butler, etc even if they have issues someone has to carry the load besides d-will and lopez (if they sign west until he returns to form)
if pf/sf slot is
james/ak
nene/
then they look at stevenson, delonte, battier, grant hill, just to provide some vet grit and composure since ak and nene can be great 3rd/4th options besides brook and d-will
then i have my sleeper guys that although some are old and some are young i think are prime to contribute on this team in major bench roles:
C: Kwame Brown and Joel Przybilla
PF: Luc Richard Mbah-a-Moute and Jonas Jerebko
SF: Kelenna Azubuike
SG: Gary Forbes
PG: Uzoh(no i’m serious if he develops an outside shot: keyon dooling 2.0)
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 20, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that guy is Brooks
All seriousness he is the real deal.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Net Income wrote:
what it does show is that the Nets have depth at the two they didnt have as of June 22.
Does it really?
Gerald Green tears these types of games up.
Gerald Green is absolutely awful.
I’m not saying Brooks will or won’t be good, I don’t have an especially strong opinion of him either way, but I feel like I need to be the reality check for this board a lot of times.
There’s nothing wrong with some optimism and team spirit, but you have almost a majority of guys in this thread claiming Brooks is literally a lock to be the next Jerry Stackhouse… or Kobe Bryant for christ’s sake!
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
All this proves is that the kid deserves a chance
Some of you guys want to just rot this kid on the bench and overpay one of the weak selection of free agent SGs to start here.
Brooks has shown enough to be given a shot. I’m all for signing a cheap defensive-minded veteran to add depth. But don’t tell me out #1 priority should be signing a starting SG in this weak free agent class.
"The trade that usually happens is the one you never hear about" - Net Income
by imdkidd on Jul 20, 2011 7:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't lump me in with others that don't like him or want to blow the cap on garbage.
The kid absolutely deserves a shot.
I am not looking at his 48 as a negative either.
I have made it crystal clear in my position and what I’m saying.
There is no hidden agenda here, my thoughts are blatantly conveyed.
Stop pulling what you want out of stuff that can’t be more precisely articulated.
Stop putting words in my mouth.
I never said a shooting guard should be a number one priority.
I don’t even mean to sound so serious, but I HATE when people take such obvious statements out of context and run with it how they want to argue with me for no reason.
The reply button means you are replying to a certain person and certain post, so why lie about what I have said and lump my thoughts in with others opinions just cause others and I share one part of a long conversation.
It’s like I say I don’t like Hondas and you saying, “VC4P hates Japanese cars!”
Argh…
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see how the statement you block quoted has anything to do with your reply either
How is Net Income stating anything remotely close to MarShon being Stackhouse/Kobe?
His statement just states that MarShon and Ammo could be better than The Machine and Ammo. Given how poorly Sasha played, how is that statement even a stretch?
"The trade that usually happens is the one you never hear about" - Net Income
Where are you gonna find
Consistent min for 3 SG?
disagree
Our backcourt defense is still lacking. We need a lockdown type.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
It's a Pro Am game, let's not get ahead of ourselves...
I like the kid, but it’s still an enormous question mark how he’ll translate.
Take it easy.
You’re going to set yourself up for disappointment and put too much pressure on the kid and/or get his head on swole.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 1:17 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
now why should I take it easy
I went to the game, the only game in town, and thoroughly enjoyed myself, watching a Nets player dominate two NBA players who tried vainly to guard him.
Basketball in the summer is about joy, about fun, about potential. I’m not going to some basketball purist, deep stats guru who overanalyzes the game or the player.
You know that line we heard before the draft about how “there’s a little Kobe in”? It’s accurate and even if that “little” in his style, I’m going to savor it.
by Net Income on Jul 20, 2011 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
Wow you took that in the context you wanted and ran with it.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
If he can't handle a couple fans on the internet hyping him up
Then he doesn’t belong in the NBA. There’s nothing wrong with getting excited.
by xs0ng on Jul 20, 2011 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Other people who went will have footage most likely...
"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 20, 2011 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
BTW, that picture is great, dude has a T Will jersey on with Brooks handwritten on copy paper taped over his name.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 1:32 AM EDT reply actions
Too good
"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 20, 2011 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Heres some vids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GhfjZApZGE&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
He’s number 11, not the best stuff since I was there really as a fan but stuff nonetheless. Was a competitive game thought there was going to be a fight a couple of times. Marshon fought thru some leg injury towards the end.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
by Atronic on Jul 20, 2011 2:10 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
dued to his wingspan, he's able to get dat in the rim VERY quick
gonna be hard trying to block his shot wen he’s trying to get a quick point next to the rim
Its ridiculously watching him live
How long his arms are they look longer than his legs, helps him on offense with his crossover, hesitation dribble etc, but also on defense had a bunch of strips and a block.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
MarShon Baruchs
It was fun watching him entertain the street ball crowd and show off his diverse offensive moves. He is an athlete and he has these hands and arms that are so long, it’s like he’s Doc Oc from spiderman
I live near Baruch and went to the game with a friend who is also a longtime Nets fan. The best way I can describe MarShon’s game is smoooth(with an extra O.) He is lanky but smooth. He seemed to take a lot of shots but once he got comfortable he was putting on a show with his ability to create his own shot. I had never been to one of these B level pro games and was surprised at the size of some of these guys. There seemed to be some sloppy D and most players looked for their own shot, but as opposed to Terrence Williams who took over summer league games by just driving to the hoop and hoisting open threes, Marshon just has an obvious diverse offensive skill set. I wish he had TWill’s build but he should be really entertaining at times this year with Deron. What I liked about him is he wanted to pump the crowd up and made some goofy dance like moves with the ball that he would never do in an NBA game but he knew that he had a higher shot making ability than everyone else and had fun with it. At one point it looked like he rolled his ankle, (but he seemed ok and was high fiving teammates) and he missed a good portion of the third quarter but finished it with 32 pts which is when I left. He has the skill set, the ability to get steals, and the desire to be a star, I do wish he had a stronger frame,but I can’t see why he can’t start sometime early in the season, if there is one. My favorite part was hearing the bball fans(not Net fans) in my area get on Marshon’s bandwagon and rag on Jamario Moon for not having his flashy game on the court.
by Mr. Brendan Burns on Jul 20, 2011 2:52 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
thanks appreciate the write up Burns
NETS Jersey Strong Brooklyn Ready
When you have to shoot, shoot don't talk.
Man Im excited about this kid
This Lockout is a killer though. Would love for him to be in summer leagues and getting in work with coaches and trainers. A season which could prove pivotal for this franchise maybe lost. Pretty scary. But the NBA bussiness model is badly broken and needs to be fixed.
Dwill, Brook and Brooks could be potent. With DWill running point I would like Marshon to focus on defense. His shot making ability combined with Deron’s court vision feel and leadership and Brooks Paint prowess should make offense easy for Marshon. If he can become a decent to good defender we will get better pretty quick.
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
Every day I get more excited about Marshon...
… in a weak draft if this kid steps up in NBA, getting him at 25 will be the biggest robbery of all time.
I’m getting ahead of myself, lol, but this guy clearly as star potential, there aren’t many NBA players with his offensive skill set. What is worring me more is his speed, but he seems so smart offensively, he has a big arsenal.
I can’t wait to see him play. So boring the lockout. =´|
DWill all the way to the Finals!! some day, very close...
Looking at him and doing some research
…before and after the draft he was on my wish list because we needed someone who can create his own shot and give us some moxey. Well we got Swag. I do think that he can beat out Morrow for the starting job as early as the season opener because I can see morrow as the perfect 6th man off the bench. Now clearly I’m not saying that Brooks will be an All-star but with D-will and Lopez there it will take some pressure off of him and he can put in the effort on Defense. I can say he can be a 12.8 ppg 3.2 reb and 2.0 ast for his rookie year.
He may be a rookie of the year candidate
He will have the opportunity to succeed. I just hope we sign a well rounded respected vet who can help mentor him and Morrow. Mike Redd(offense) maybe Tayshun(Defense)
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
I can say he can be a 12.8 ppg 3.2 reb and 2.0 ast for his rookie year.
Man these are some specific and random #’s lol.
If you hit these on the head I want lotto #’s every night.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Doc Oc with a crossover
Yeah Marshon got the crowd going tonight and he will have his moments in his rookie year, where he will wow the Rock. I’m only tempering my enthusiasm somewhat because he’s doesn’t have a muscular frame, but he’s wiry in the way that Reggie Miller was(not trying to compare the two, except the possible desire to seize a moment when he knows he can take his man)
by Mr. Brendan Burns on Jul 20, 2011 3:26 AM EDT reply actions
P.S. on the game
John Lucas’ son is tiny but seemed like an amiable/ enthusiastic kid during the game. It was also funny listening to the guy with the mic whose job it is to talk about the players during the action streetball style. Probably the most uncomfortable seats I have ever had for a sporting event since I sat on a kinish on a seat at Shea
by Mr. Brendan Burns on Jul 20, 2011 3:34 AM EDT reply actions
Brooks' swag
To sort of quote Seinfled . With a possible non-shooting pf and a sf we couldn’t trade for a smiling photo of Chris Morris – We got Swag and we’re gonna need it.
by Mr. Brendan Burns on Jul 20, 2011 3:42 AM EDT reply actions
from a nets perpective best news so far this off season
by SunilP on Jul 20, 2011 5:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
what happened with Morrows pickup
Y no news about it
by SunilP on Jul 20, 2011 7:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Morrow was in Atlanta last weekend
He participated in Dwight’ celebrity game on Sunday and he was still there in ATL as of Monday… I thought the Charlotte pro-am league started on Sunday.
yeah, but nothing I have seen on what he did.
will run the traps again. Sometimes the various filters miss stuff…but rarely
TWill vs Marshon
TWill showed similar offense in DLeague and Summer League.
However, except for the last month of his rookie season, TWill wasn’t able to finish at the basket when it counted, despite Avery saying he should get at least 3 dunks a games.
I am much more confident that Marshon will be able to create shots from everywhere on the court, including at the basket.
Both enjoy tweeting excessively and like to boast about themselves. However, Marshon seems to be more under control but he could use some guidance (maybe his agent) to make sure not to make the same mistakes TWill did.
As far as defense goes, I haven’t seen any evidence. He needs an Avery Johnson in his ear.
Vujacic would be the Nets best defender at the 2. Maybe Vujacic would be the Nets player who is a Vet (but he is already under contract). If Sasha’s situation doesn’t work out (eg. he doesn’t get paid), perhaps he would come back to Nets for real cheap.
didn't read past the title...
but you’re doing our guy MarSwag a huge disservice by even putting him in the same sentence as T-Will.
completely different players, completely different style of attack. how many picks separated these two guys? how much weaker was MarSwag’s draft class?
hopefully MarSwag’s impact on the game will allow you all to forget about terrence williams once and for all
Found this Video of MJ dunking with ease, at age 48.
MJ also said he could still beat anyone out there.
Haha
“I can still beat anybody in here – including my staff,” Jordan says.
by Anthony Perez on Jul 20, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
How can you not get excited about this kid? There are sure signs of him being a VERY good player...
POINT #1: Whoever says this was just a pro-am game, you are absolutely correct. However, WHEREVER this kid plays, all he does is score. Whether it be college, pro-am and probably even high school, this kid knows how to score. This is not a guarantee that he is going to be a great scorer in the NBA. However, if he has shown an ability to score on every level he has played on, I am willing to bet that he is can get at least 22 ppg on the NBA level.
POINT #2: Once again, I know we cannot go crazy over a pro am game. However Jamario Moon (who is a decent NBA reserve player) played in the same game that Brooks did. And from what I am hearing people say who were at the game, Brooks outshined him tremendously. Again, this does not suggest that Brooks is a lock to be a great NBA player. However, it is looking more possible than not that this kid is going to be a good player on the NBA level.
Point #3: PLEASE STOP JUDGING THIS KID BASED ON TWILL’S GAME!!! In Twill’s 4 years of school, the most he ever averaged was 12.5 ppg. The best he ever shot was 43.1% from the field. Both in his senior year. In Marshon’s senior year he averaged 24.6 ppg on 48.3% shooting. In his thid year of college his shooting pecentage was 46.7%. His second year was 43.7%. Those are good shooting percentages for a wing player. And far superior than Twill’s. All of this while playing in the toughest conference in college. This kid was a much better player than Twill in college. And will be a better pro.
I believe this kid is going to do well in the league…
by aug93 on Jul 20, 2011 8:14 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
TWill did win, however
MarShon did not.
One thing that hasn’t gotten much attention from last night. For long swaths of the game, he played point guard, obviously a shoot first point guard, but he has the ball=handling ability and made a couple of nice if risky passes.
Interestingly as well, he played like a New York City baller. He got into the game and fed off the fans and the non-stop PA announcer. That’s how we knew how many points he had, the announcer kept pointing it out. Of the 48, by the way, 19 in the first half, 27 in second, 2 in ot.
wow he played point guard???
1 assist 5 turnovers, he is not a point guard ever
why so negative? he’s not a pg. so what? nobody said he is. just stated that he played it yesterday.
Net fans are naturally negative
The Nets Broke My Heart..
by Mikee21 on Jul 20, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I never felt like a majority of Nets fans are negative, I always felt we were more unbiased and intelligent.
But with all the losing lately, the slightest glimmer of hope is turning a large chunk of us into super homer Knix fans.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Im not being negative
Just stating that his stats in that game or in college have shown that he is not great at making plays for others.
That will probably never be his game
Don't look at those stats so seriously with he assists
He did a good job moving the ball around, but it wasn’t like he knew all of there set plays just joined the team. I know its reasonable to be hesitant about the kid but trust me you will be happy once the season starts.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
It's not that simple
How many of those turnovers came when he was playing PG? Don’t try to sound smart.
John Lucas III, who played a whopping 2 games in the NBA this season, scored 28 games in that game yesterday. So let’s take it easy there, yesterday’s game isn’t a reason to say we don’t need a SG, that is all what I’m saying.
Also, I would not call Jamario Moon a decent reserve player.
As for Brooks being a better player than Williams in college, I think that is just plain wrong, Brooks was obviously the clearly superior scorer, but Williams was the more complete and better overall player without a doubt, he led his team farther, and was a TD threat every night in college.
Troy Bell scored 25 ppg in his last college season, so what? That doesn’t make him a better college player than other guys who scored less but could do more things. Adrian Oliver scored 24 ppg this season in college, is he a great college player? There is a reason why Williams was a lotto pick in a much stronger draft, Brooks would have went into the 2nd rd this year if it weren’t because lots of prospects were scared off by the lockout and withdrew from this year’s draft. We’ll see how Brooks’ game translates, but saying he was a better college player than Williams (let alone much better) is something I strongly disagree with.
It’s OK and totally understandable that people get excited about anything positive regarding the rookie, but you cannot fault people for knowing this is what it is (a pick-up game with barely anything ressembling NBA talent on the court) and still believing we need a SG.
by Andres B on Jul 20, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh so what
Its the summer and there is a lockout and whatever. It was a game where a Net played well and where a Net beat writer who has seen hundreds of games was impressed.
What the heck is it with you? Have some fun, some joy. NOTHING written here is anything more than fans getting excited about their team and their draft pick, who played well in the ONLY game in town. All this verbiage to bring people down? Why? Really, why?
So typical... Look I am not trying to bring people down
I am just saying that please don’t tell me I am not allowed to think we need another SG because of that meaningless game.
yes, you are
that is exactly what you have done since day one on this issue.
It’s evident to everyone.
He’s playing over the weekend twice. Go to the games. They’re free. ENJOY YOURSELF. Unless you have a hotel reservation in Istanbul, your options to watch the Nets in action, this is it.
by Net Income on Jul 20, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
NO
Look, people are saying we do not need another SG because of what happened yesterday. I’m disagreeing with it, that is it.
I am not saying we do not need a SG. I am just willing to live with the 2 we have and see where it can take us.
However, I do think we need a SF and PF more than anything. I know you would rather take a chance on hump at the PF as opposed to Morrow at the SG. For me it’s vice versa.
And as far as Twill having a more complete game. That game did not translate well to the NBA. I’m not saying Brook’s game will. But based on shooting percentages, I have more faith in Brooks.
And in regards to other players who dropped 20+ points in their final season, if you noticed, I talked more about the shooting percentage of brooks. Players PPG average can be deceptive. How? If you are scoring 25 ppg however, your taking 25 shots to get those points, then what’s the point? Shooting percentage shows efficiency. That translate well to the NBA. Brooks has shown good efficiency his last 3 years of college. I look forward to seeing this kid play on the next level…
Baruch College in NY
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
When's the next one, I got to get to it.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Some time next week
I believe tuesday July 26th what the schedule says not sure its the next time Marshon will play but there competitive games, and have some big dudes on both teams, not some college players. Honestly some of the guys should be on an NBA bench at least game before showcased some talented dudes, but can say that about a lot of players.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Yeah, I need to keep an eye out for the exact date, going to make sure I get to it.
Then hit up some food and beer in NYC.
:)
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Its next thursday
Marshon tweeted it not sure the time but I think 8:30 I have the schedule they gave out think he plays with Dyckman next.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
LOL No.
When you talk about who the better college player is, all that matters is the stats you put up in college. The reason Bell and Oliver didn’t get picked is because they have no upside and clearly took advantage of the lack of competition.
Winning is a team aspect. If the Nets win next year, is Johan Petro magically a good bench player?
Williams was NOT more complete. What could Williams do? Handle the ball? Pass? Play defense? Dunk? MarShon can do all of those and more.
TWILL was drafted higher because of POTENTIAL.
Was Favors a good college player? No. But he got drafted 3rd.
Was Yi a good college player? He never played in college but got picked 6th. People pick potential.
Actually no
All Brooks did was scoring a lot on a bad team.
Williams was TD threat and led his team farther. And no, Brooks cannot pass the ball the way Williams does, nor can he play 3 different positions as Williams does, nor is he as good a defender, Brooks can’t do nearly as many things as Williams can.
As for Bell and Oliver taking advantage of the lack of competition… that is funny, because that is exactly what Brooks did.
You are pretty much wrong.
And I’ll end it at that because you never budge an inch.
Section 4 Row 7 @ Prudential
Haha. Well to be perfectly honest. I often agree with your opinion
But you are always so firmly entrenched in your views it wouldn’t be fun or enjoyable to have a discussion/debate with you.
Section 4 Row 7 @ Prudential
by swampass on Jul 20, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Although B takes it to an extreme somtimes, I don't know how people can say he's wrong here.
T Will was the better college player and in fact is still the better NBA prospect, if he could ever get his head on straight he’ll blossom.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Head on straight is part of the equation
You can’t look at physical talent and only count that when it comes to prospects. Being a moron negates all of it. Success in the NBA is 50% talent and 50% mental.
For sure, but T Will is still the better prospect.
Who knows if Brooks attitude is good?
The same way that T Will’s attitude was questioned, there were rumblings of MarShon being overly arrogant, with a questionable work ethic and bad body language on the court. Plus questions of if he can adapt to no longer being able to chuck at will.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
this is about "prospects"
Twill had a turn and showed his head wasn’t right. Marshon gets a shot now.
This is like going to a nice restaurant. I had appetizers at The House of Twill and they sucked. Doesn’t mean I’m not going to try the food at Marshon’s. I have an excuse not to have dinner at Twills.
by Netted on Jul 20, 2011 8:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
MarShons better have fried calamari...
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
MMMMMMMMMMmmmmmm
Fried Calamari
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Marshon's
Is going to serve up some soft shell crabs on a plater.
He needs to get his head on straight and his jumper
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Bell played in a good ACC, very good competition
I was suprised he flopped in the NBA but a lot of those small scorers in college do end up flopping in the NBA
Nets @ SG
I can live with Morrow and Marshon @ SG if the Nets can get Nene and Prince and still have money left over.
Of course Marshon is not the answer… yet…
saying Marshon and Morrow is more than sufficient at SG
is like saying Hump and JWill is more than sufficient at PF.
why not?
Brook does most of the scoring, with a good SF the Nets would be pretty good
by DJ HeavyDuty on Jul 20, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Disagree totally. Hump has 7 years in the league with year being a decent year.
If you ask me, Hump as a starting PF is a bigger risk than Brooks or Morrow starting at the SG spot
lets not forget
that all three point guards—DWill, Farmar and Gaines—can all shoot and the other guy playing in Turkey, Bogdanovic, is a year away. He is a 6’8" shooting guard, he will tell you.
If we were to keep our SG rotation as it currently is
I think we’d play with a 2 PG set most of the minutes.
An experienced 1-2 year stopgap veteran would make sense, we are not rebuilding anymore, that way you get someone who strenghthens the SG rotation and someone you know can produce and mentor the young players while they develop and until Bojan comes here.
At 6'8, he's playing SF
Which means if we sign a SF this year, then Damion James will be on the clock to produce.
D-Will > Carmela
Bogdanovic is actually the guy that excites me the most.
I’ve heard and read a lot of varying opinions on him, but a few fans I have talked to in Europe say an efficient Delfino is a good comparison as his likely case, as in, in between his floor and ceiling.
An efficient Delfino is an above average starting wing…
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
But your not excited about a player
That we have seen in person? lol
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
still need a veteran IMO
you cannot bank on a SG rotation like that. That SG rotation is beyond mediocre and I’m not sure is any better than that we had last year.
Hump is not good enough to start at the 4 but Brooks and Morrow are good enough to start at the 2? I don’t get the logic here.
It's about mediocre...not as far below as you think it is
Listen, we know changes are coming. Let’s just wait for the new CBA and take it from there.
IMO, while SG could also be improved, SF and PF should be the first priorities.
by ZR on Jul 20, 2011 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Like I said
I expect us to spend most of our cap space in a SF and a PF. So I am saying bring in a veteran SG on the cheap to strengthen the SG rotation.
might as well sign a department store mannequin
michael redd is beyond finished.
by shane gayle on Jul 20, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just like Grant Hill was a few years back right?
And Grants game was way more dependant on athletisism. We don’t need Redd to Play 40 minutes. We need 15 minutes tops from him and veteran pressence from someone who knows what it is to perform at a high level. And with a PG like Deron you can never have enough shooters.
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
Redd will either be really good or garbage.
His injuries are different.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
i understand the comparison but redd's knees are shot not his ankles
hill in phoenix has played 315/328 games. and he has gotten better each year. and he has had some of his most efficient years on the offensive end in phoenix and last year was very underrated defensively(i saw him lock up lebron, durant, and melo last year personally)
i just dont see redd having much of a bounce back impact. jermaine o’neal, t-mac, arenas, roy, etc have been wiped out by knee injuries and redd you can say has had the worst out of all of them
also on a side note in the 98 playoffs grant hill had an assist (percentage of field goals he assisted on while on the floor) of 48.6 then i look at detroit roster and i see why: take hill off that team and they may be slightly better than 12-70
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 20, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd take Redd for vet minimum.
He’s probably done, but he’s super high reward/low risk.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed if it came down to redd or anthony parker
parker can still hit threes and play better defense, at 36 years old, than both morrow and brooks
parker has mileage but redd’s legs have been through the trenches and back several times
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 20, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Parker is a player I like and who I think could be had on the cheap
He is a complete player as he can shoot, play D, create his own shot (he used to be the go-to guy in one of the best teams in Europe, so while he can’t be that in the NBA- let alone at his current age- he still knows how to create his own offense at a decent enough level) and even pass at a very decent level.
VC will cost a lot more then minimum.
I’d take a chance on Redd before Parker, even if Redd is worthless, you aren’t missing anything in Parker that you couldn’t sign on a 10 day contract with some proper scouting.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow We are in agreeance on this
Besides its a respect thing… Not sure if Morrow and Marshon would Respect Parker as much as Redd. The Vet is there to be a good influence to the cubs. And if Redds managed properly he can be a weapon.
I keep saying it would also give us 3 players from that same Olympic team that birthed the Superfriends in Miami.
Deron, Tayshun and Redd (Waiting for the arrival of Dwight)
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
Does that guy in the pic have Brooks taped to the back of his jersey? haha
Oh yeah-
by JerseysFinest. on Jul 20, 2011 8:29 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This is the problem with Net fans
Only we would have the balls to compare a 25th overall pick in a weak draft to Kobe Bryant. Unreal.
by ZR on Jul 20, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
No I don't
I really could care less about other teams boards. It’s not a major part of my life, thanks.
The most people are saying is that he is Kobe-Lite.
Realistically, at best he is shorter than Kobe, much older than when Kobe started in the NBA and it isn’t likely he has the same determination to win and work hard to get better. If he was like Kobe, he would be working out for many hours every day. By Marshon’s admission, he has only been doing some pushups, playing video games and tweeting.
but Kobe-Lite may be appropriate.
Kobes
Determination and drive is second to none
Second to MJ
You can’t even compare him to MJ’s determination and drive. Dude can scare people with that alone. Add that to his skill and athleticism, that’s why he is legendary.
"The trade that usually happens is the one you never hear about" - Net Income
by imdkidd on Jul 20, 2011 7:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Net Income wrote:
you quite obviously dont read other boards. it’s what fans do…every sport.
No, it’s what Knix fans do. Oh and Blazers fans.
Other fanbases do this with their high lotto picks, not chuckers drafted 25th overall.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
can't we just be happy
with the rookie’s performance?
Yes.
I was just getting annoyed, I have no real problem with Brooks.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you trying to tell me
That they don’t look the same, or that you can’t clearly see MarShon modeled his game after Kobe?
ummmm yeah that would be a GREAT argument but....
Kobe was a number 13 pick himself. And can you name the 12 guys before him? (I can only name one we Drafted Kerry Kittles that year)
Gilbert Arenas, Monta Ellis and Carlos Boozer were all second rounders.
Its not about where you are drafted. Its about what you can do. And its only a weak draft class because these Kids haven’t played. This draft can potentially yield 3-4 all stars and another 10-15 Starters/Role Players. What’s so weak about that?
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
Kobe was a top 8 lock if he didn't force his way to LAL, likely top 5, maybe top 3.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Revisionist history
Kobe didn’t force his way to the Lakers. He forced his way to not be picked by the Nets at #8. The top 3 teams were not looking at him. Can argue that they should’ve been
It's well known he forced his way to the Lakers.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 21, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
From the Nets at #8
not from being a top 3 pick.
I love how your story keeps changing.
He forced his way to the Lakers, period.
NJ was one of the only team that almost had the balls to take him anyway.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 21, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I totally forgot about this game – I am upset that I missed it as I wanted to go watch him play. Hopefully he plays in another game in NYC in the next couple of weeks.
The biggest thing that anyone should take from all of this is that we got a kid at 25 who can be a legit scoring 2 guard in the NBA and has unhuman length in his arms which helps make him the scorer that he is.
The biggest thing that I have been thinking lately is that it’s almost unfortunate that the Nets FO (and fan base) has this mission to drastically upgrade the roster to convince DWill to stay. While as a fan, I obviously want to be back in the playoffs again – BUT – when you (as a GM in sports, as a businessman, in your personal life, etc) are forced to make rash decisions for an immediate pay-off they rarely work out as intended. The Nets could easily throw a bunch of money at aging players like Nene and Tayshaun Prince and fall into the trap of never being quite good enough to win it all, yet having far too much money committed to players who’s games are diminishing.
In an ideal world – the Nets would have this season to make small changes with an eye on the 2012 draft and free agency to put on the finishing touches. People tend to forget that Brook is still just a kid, and a full season of DWill and Brook could become one of the most dominant 1-5 connections in the league, as Brook’s game is a perfect complement to DWill…..Imagine if JKidd had a Center with Brook’s ability when he was in NJ. I would love to see a year of watching DWill and Brook develop together while having the opportunity to watch Morrow and Brooks develop at the 2 guard position and watching Jordan Williams develop as a backup PF (with Hump back at a reasonable contract to play the 4). I think that is a 40 win team on paper (obviously injuries change things) and with cap space to spend come 2012 could be a Finals contentender in Brooklyn in Year 1.
While not having basketball for a season would be a drag, and probably kill much of the NBA’s popularity (bad business move for the NBA) I am one of the few people who thinks that no NBA season would actually benefit the Nets. The Nets can’t be expected (by DWill) to improve their roster when the CBA forbids it – so they avoid overspending for guys who are more than likely depreciating assets. Considering that most likely the draft order will play out based on the 2010 final season records – the Nets could theoretically add their future star SF in the draft and have the money to go after Dwight Howard and hold onto Brook Lopez as the starting PF with Hump either trade bait (depending on the progress of Jordan Williams) or a backup.
Obviously impossible to argue for or against the ability to sign both Dwight and Brook (and re-up DWill) not knowing what the cap will be like – but I promise you that signing veterans like Nene and Prince this summer will make it impossible to have Brook and Dwight together. And I would much rather see DWill, Brooks, Rookie, Brook, Howard with Morrow, Outlaw and Hump as our reserves than any other combination…..as that is an NBA FInals team.
by Ryan243 on Jul 20, 2011 8:39 AM EDT reply actions 10 recs
rec
I agree on all issues. i wouldnt mind missing the season if the Nets get a top 10 pick
DWill
Brooks/Morrow
Prince
Lopez
Howard
thats a contender
by DJ HeavyDuty on Jul 20, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
the other thing – which i know someone will argue immediately is that there are no guarantees how the NBA Draft order would work ou for the 2012 draft if no season in 2011-2012……..if the NBA is locked out all season – I would bet heavily that there is a weighted ping pong ball with the Nets number on it to have a top 2 pick in the draft……it is in the NBA’s best interests after a lockout to have very competitive/exciting teams in the major metropolitan markets – and the first professional sports team (hoops no less) in Brooklyn since the Dodgers left will be a HUGE marketing story for the NBA.
Imagine if the Nets go into the draft lottery next year with DWill and Lopez under contract and the teams would still control their 2011 free agents rights….does anyone think not in the NBA or David Stern’s interests to see the Nets get a top pick and land a guy like Harrison Barnes to showcase in Brooklyn?
No NBA season could be a god send for the Nets – and if not for all the anti-Nets sentiment from the media – nobody would be writing stories about how no NBA season means DWIll leaves for the Knicks.
Harrison Barnes
This is who i want to be our next starting SF.
And i agree with you Ryan if there is a full season lock out then i predict the Brooklyn Nets will win the draft lottery (or top 3) and pick another very good young player for this franchise.
Harrison Barnes is exactly the type of player who can score freely but is humble and mature and believes in the idea of the team.
by Yi Of Little Faith on Jul 20, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd much rather have Jeremy Lamb at the 2 and a defender/shooter at the 3.
I don’t get what everyone sees in Harrison Barnes so far?
Potential? Sure. But as of now he’s more or less living off his hype.
Looked a lot like a 16ppg Shane Battier to me.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
If Nene is "aging"
So is Hump.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Hump on a 3 year deal will be under 30 still when the deal is over Nene will be 32
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
Exactly
They are only TWO years apart.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
closer to 3 years actually
Nene 9/13/82 28.310 days
Hump 2/6/85 26.163 days
translation Nene will be 29 before the season would start while Hump wont turn 27 till a week before the All-star break
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
Omgz what an olds man!
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
My baby bro is aging.
He is 5 he’ll be 6 next year.
by nwkiddnj on Jul 20, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
you must be really young then
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
Great overall post, but the issue is being danced around again which kills your point a little something.
Hump coming back, even at a “reasonable contract” kills any chance of Dwight and Brook and makes it hard for even just Dwight assuming we did the unthinkable and renounced Brook.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
There were several fans here
who after the T-Will trade told us all that the Laker pick couldn’t possibly get the Nets any value. That it was a waste.
Considering these same fans said the Rockets pick next season would also be a waste, I am looking forward to that draft now.
by Net Income on Jul 20, 2011 8:42 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
maybe 1st rd 2 picks
Nets – lottery
Rockets 14-28
by DJ HeavyDuty on Jul 20, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
And those of us who said that have not been proven wrong yet
On the other hand, I said Vujacic would be out of the league next year and I was proven right.
No, I have not
Your opinion is not a fact. We’ll see who was right. I still think that pick is a waste, and as I said on draft day it only got worse when we selected Brooks.
I never liked the guy
And I said so NUMEROUS times before the draft (anyone can check the comments), when I didn’t even know he would end up with us. Unlike others here, I am not going to change my opinion on him just because we drafted him, I will change my opinion IF he proves me wrong on the court, until then my opinion on him is still the same as it was before the draft.
your opinion about T-Will hasn't changed
and he proved himself to be a coward and a worthless player on the court, for two teams.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think he is immature
He barely got any playing time this year (esp. with the Rockets) so there’s no reason for me to believe he can’t do as well as he did with us during his rookie season if he’s able to earn his minutes under his new coach 8the Rox sent Adelman packing because he didnt play the youngters).
he had two good months
he also refused to drive to the rim, and settled for jumpshots, and committed a lot of TOs. If that’s what he’s going to show the Rox this season he’ll be playing overseas or in the d league in a year’s time
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
In fact
He had 2 good months and 2 very good months.
During the 1st 2 months of the season, he played well enough under coach Frank (averaging 10ppg & 6 rpg, while being one of the leaders among rookies in rebounding and double-doubles).
I was a huge supporter of T-Will
until he showed that he wasn’t worthy of support
he didn’t care about the team, or himself imo with his behavior. Really disappointing.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
during 12-70 he never played the two
he would be a slashing forward when they finally sat hassell and simmons
and he became point forward and they let harris play off the ball
this year, idk why he was put at the 2-guard, lee and cd-r were pretty decent at it
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 20, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You are one of the very few who think this way.
Not unlike a certain other subject.
"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 20, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
come on
did you have your morning coffee yet? Is it cloudy over your house? The kid went bananas last night.
If Brooks can equal TWill production its a win especially @ 25th pick
by DJ HeavyDuty on Jul 20, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you honestly saying
getting MarShon Brooks was a wasted draft pick? You haven’t even seen him play in one NBA game to judge him. The trade was pretty good, getting two first rounders, and a player that you have to admit contributed to a few W’s.
Look at it this way, if the Rockets tried to trade T-Will, how much do you think they’d get in return?
by JerseysFinest. on Jul 20, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Late 2nd rd pick is what i'll give for T-WIll...
and he is still not allowed to sleep at shootarounds…
by jirohkanzaki on Jul 20, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Andres fought me tooth and nail last year about how selecting Favors over Cousins was the biggest mistake ever and such a stupid, wasted pick. Well Favors became DWill and Cousins still has attitude and conditioning issues. I would rather have DWill at PG than Cousins at PF (which would have also meant no double-double season from Hump).
And if there is one guy who will be harmed the most in the NBA by the lockout is Demarcus Cousins….imagine him sitting home eating all day – and coming back to the NBA 50 pounds heavier. Not too difficult to envision this scenario playing out from everything I have read about him.
by Ryan243 on Jul 20, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Cousins is the better player, by far
Favors has shown nothing and I think every single concern I had about him is legit after seeing him this year.
Btw, a lot of elite teams were said to be interested in Cousins, but the Kings said he was untouchable.
by Andres B on Jul 20, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No chance Utah was trading DWill for Cousins. In any event, is a dead issue – I will always disagree that Cousins would have been the better pick for the Nets.
You do not know they would have not traded Dwill for Cousins
Cousins won year 1, he had the better year hands down.
by kk30 on Jul 20, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
your opinion is not fact either
your hate is amusing
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I never said my opinion is a fact
NI said I have already been proved wrong about that pick being a waste. I said I haven’t been proven wrong YET. Where am I stating my opinion as a fact there?
um, by implying that the 25th pick was a waste???
You have no ground to stand on unless Marshon goes out there and totally screws up for the next two seasons. We’ll have to wait and see, and afford him the chance to prove himself.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
If his dislike for the guy is because of T-will then this conversation is pointless.
The Nets Broke My Heart..
That is an opinion
When I said that it’s just my opinion, I didn’t said I had already been proved right about it. I just stated my opinion.
he wouldn't be the first Net prospect to screw up
I like the kid but I’m with Andres that 48 points in a pick up game means absolutely nothing. YOu really think Jamario Moon or anyone was giving 100% on defense?
He has to prove it first. Mentioning his name with Kobe is a mistake, and already having him competing with Morrow as a starting Sg is a mistake.
Look around the league, you think the best teams in the league put as much hope in a late round draft pick as we do? Thats a recipe for disaster
Lower your expectations till Brooks actually plays a game
Lower expectations?
Okay so don’t be so quick to knock the dude’s game before he plays a game as well.
The Nets Broke My Heart..
hes a rookie
most rookies need time to develop its common sense
He actually was playing good D
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
C'mon Andres
I know your not taking credit for Vujacic being out of the League during a lockout. If Sasha is considered out of the league, so is Deron.
D-Will > Carmela
by Gdepp94 on Jul 20, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
sasha is out its different
he signed a hard contract whereas deron can leave once the lockout ends
Some people need to just relax already
Brooks dropping 48 in a Pro-Am game is GREAT news for Nets fans who know this team needs someone who can flat out score. I guarantee the same people who say this means nothing are the same that would declare him a bust if he had only dropped 12 points.
Yes it’s a Pro-Am game, but he dropped nearly 50 points. And let’s not forget he dropped 52 in a Division 1 NCAA game. I’m sure now will come the hatred of his shooting percentage?
I just don’t get how people can watch Deron Williams play a pickup game against 16 year old kids and say “Wow his handle has gotten better, he looks nasty out there”, but then dismiss Brooks dropping 48 friggin points with all the swagger of a star.
Maybe it’ll pan out, maybe it won’t. But right now, the 25th pick in a weak draft was the star of a basketball game last night.
In this world of a lockout, I’m salivating at the opportunity to watch him more.
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"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
by eLonepb on Jul 20, 2011 8:57 AM EDT reply actions 10 recs
rec'd eLone
I’m biting my tongue because I don’t want to be banned, but there’s a lot of hate and utter silliness in this thread
Marshon is going to be a beast if he works hard. This is all.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Agreed. Also having him Morrow and Farmar on the roster means we don’t have to use any money towards a Sg. All that can go into upgrading the 3 and 4.
If Brooks can be a Nick Young, Lou will or even Crawford type I will be happy. We still have the best 3pt shooter in the game on our team. Plus the Euro and 2 picks in the next draft.
I think the Sg spot will be ok one way or the other.
by power_njerz on Jul 20, 2011 9:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree
Biggest need right now is SF and PF. Our PF is no longer a Net so now we have to consider resigning him (which puts the team right where it was last year) or upgrading that position.
We have cap space for a reason… to upgrade.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
exactly
how can people say we need to plunk caproom into SG when we have no PFs under contract?
So you’d rather have a logjam at the 2 or production at the 3 and 4?
Nene and Prince.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
The man who really gets the shaft in this ridiculous back and forth on this thread
is Anthony Morrow. A bunch of us are saying we can’t rely on Brooks and Morrow alone, we need to upgrade.
Sure, we were a pretty bad team last year, but SG wasn’t our biggest weakness, SF was. We now, as Elone said, have ZERO PF’s formally under contract. We do, however, have a lights out shooter and what seems to be a slashing create-his-own-shot style of player forming our 2-guard rotation. I’m very happy with that.
WE NEED MORE SCORING OPTIONS.
Seeing D-Will score next year will be great and it will be an upgrade over what he had gotten used to seeing from Harris. As Ryan243 said earlier, just imagine the chemistry D-Will can form with Brook? He will get more open looks per night than he was used to getting in a week with Harris. The fact that Brooks/Morrow can slide in and be the 3rd-5th scoring option (depending on if we pick up Nene and perhaps a SF like Thaddeus or something) is very tantilizing. You can’t guard everyone like glue. D-Will and Brook will draw serious coverage, meaning Morrow and Brooks will get ample room. And just imagine…what if they play together? D-Will finding open men, Brooks slashing and/or popping, Morrow spotting up, and Brook working the paint to 15 feet. I think it could be very pretty.
by Will J on Jul 20, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I agree with you on the most part...but the Nets also need some defense
Offense sells tickets, defense wins championships. I feel that Nene could provide both, as I’ve advocated before. Put Prince or AK47 in there at the three, you’re starting lineup is good.
by ZR on Jul 20, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
he's not getting shafted calling it like it is
since his GT days he has never been an average solid defender.
now him and james also get the injury prone label because of all the games they missed even though foot and hamstring are two of the most frustrating bball injuires(besides knee and ankle)
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 20, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
We have no players under contract its a lockout...lol
And if we werent locked out JWill would be signed to hi rookie deal and Hump would most likely resign. Prince would be priority
imo
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
this is so obvious
that it is absurd anyone could/would disagree w/ it.
i say need a starting 3 & 4 and a better option at backup 5 than petro and i’m ready to roll whenever the next season starts
imagine something extremely witty here
Best point of the thread
I just don’t get how people can watch Deron Williams play a pickup game against 16 year old kids and say "Wow his handle has gotten better, he looks nasty out there", but then dismiss Brooks dropping 48 friggin points with all the swagger of a star.
by Anthony Perez on Jul 20, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
EXACTLY
my god, why are people so negative? this is good news for the nets! a nets rookie taken 25th in a weak draft was dominating a game. it’s the lockout.
and you know what, if he does not pan out, he was the 25th pick in a bad draft. it’s ok.
but to see this news in a negative perspective is baffling
Just checking in...
…now back to my summer…praying for a season to happen in November. I think Brooks and Morrow are enough at the 2 if Nets upgrade the forward spots.
Go Nets!!
enjoy the summer fellas
If I can just hide, the sinner inside, and keep him denied.
How sweet life would be, if I could be free, from the sinner in me.
Kid has a great looking stroke and plays with ease.
I still would prefer Ak47 over Prince at the SF though. Prince has been on a steeper decline than AK the past year.
I am torn on NENE I don’t think he is worth a near max deal which is obviously what he is looking for. I also don’t think Hump is worth more than 7-8 per.
Nene may just have enough of a name and body of work to seem as a major upgrade though.
Any if Marshon can be a Nick Young or Lou Williams type I won’t be mad at him. The Kobe comparisons are unfair for now.
by power_njerz on Jul 20, 2011 9:00 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Prince is not sliding as much
He had his 3rd best shooting and scoring season of his career while also contributing 4 rebounds and 3 assists per game.
Per 36 last year:
AK47:
13.5 pts
47% shooting
6 rebs
3.5 asts
Prince:
15.4 pts (most in his career)
47% shooting
4.6 rebs
3 asts
And he was on an awful team
by Anthony Perez on Jul 20, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Honest question
What makes Brooks/Morrow a better rotation at the 2 than Hump/JWill would be at the 4? Not advocating for a Hump/JWill PF rotation, I hope you get my point… just wondering, with all these people saying we cannot win with Hump as our starting 4 but that we are perfectly OK with Morrow/Brooks at the 2.
Hump/JWill cannot shoot...
they’re rebounders basically and can’t guard stretch 4s
Morrow/Brooks both can shoot the lights out, defense is the weak point but they both have potential in this area.
Morrow has said he is focusing on adding defense to his deadly shooting and Brooks has said that too and he certainly has the tools for it…his 7’1" wing span is defense in itself…
by jirohkanzaki on Jul 20, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Why even explain yourself? He just doesn’t seem to understand people just getting a little excited about a Net player dropping 48 points during a lockout where basketball news & everything basketball is unheard of.
The Nets Broke My Heart..
he
has a reason for his Marshon hate.
It’s funny how the same chance that was given to Terrence isn’t being given to Marshon.
Terrence squandered his chance here. We should be hoping that Marshon does his best so that pick that became t-will which I guess became Marshon isn’t a total waste.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
he
has a reason for his Marshon hate.
Before you go on with your ridiclous theory, let’s remember I already stated tht I didn’t like Brooks’ game way before the draftn, when I didn’t even know he would wind up being a Net.
http://www.netsdaily.com/2011/5/24/2188068/post-combine-mocks-offer-little-new
Sorry if I’m not like others here who change their opinions on a player the moment Billy acquires them, jsut don’t even try to bring that bull about me not liking Brooks because of Williams because like I showed you I already said I didn’t like him before I knew we would use that pick we got from the Williams trade on him.
That is not the point Andres. For you to sit there at your computer and try to rain on everybody’s parade just because they got a little excited about this man dropping 48 points in a amateur tournament is beyond me just because “you don’t like him”
The Nets Broke My Heart..
That is not what happened
Someone said we don’t need another SG because of yesterday’s game and all I said is that isn’t nearly enough of a reason to think we don’t need another SG, I am allowed to think we do, right, without having to deal with people saying I’m n impotant or significant sample to believe this kid is the real deal.
Jeez, sometimes I feel you can’t voice your opinion on this site if it goes against the company line.
*without people saying I’m a party pooper because I don’t think a meaningless pick up game with amateurish competition is not an important or significant sample to believe this kid is the real deal.
i was proud of you when you said you were impotant. viagra dude!!! but now i realize it was just a typo.
good luck!
Your making this about you this isn’t about you let me rephrase then. I’m speaking in general. There is an NBA lockout going on were NBA fans are missing NBA action. A Net player goes out and drops 48 idc if it was against elementary school kids the point is that people are going to get EXCITED and make opinions as did the ones here. Whether it’s true or not is not the point.
The Nets Broke My Heart..
Listen B can be an intelligent poster but he goes on some tirades. But the thing is, all he did was to basically say temper your expectations and he still believes we need an upgrade at the 2.
And everyone wants to act like he’s not allowed to speak his opinion.
I like MarShon, but don’t love him.
I want to see what he looks like in the NBA.
I am excited that he lit it up, it’s a lot better then hearing he chucked away and went 4 for 15 with 14 points in a rec league game.
But, I’m not going to start making outrageous claims that he’s definitely or even likely a career 20ppg scorer in the NBA, let alone one with a positive impact instead of a Corey Maggette type.
I’m also not going to say I think he’s our solution.
If you want to say he is, I’m fine with that, I just don’t agree.
We are all entitled to our opinions and if I agree with yours or disagree I am going to respond accordingly, that is what a forum like this is for.
A forum like this is not here solely to slurp every stiff and real player on our team alike.
I know B comes across borderline trollish at times and when he gets set on his opinion he can put blinders on, but he is not, at least to me, some baseless idiot who I avoid, nor does he come across overly negative or full of lies, even if he at times does tend to push an agenda.
That is all.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
uh huh
All I’m saying is, wouldn’t it be wise to give the kid a chance before you burn him at the stake? I’m wary of his questions on defense as well as how he can operate off the ball, but I am willing to see what he can do. You, clearly have already made up your mind that this kid is a bust.
He’s a Net, and he’s a Net that hasn’t done anything to be tossed under the bus like other buffoons have, so he deserves a chance to show us what he’s made of.
You’ve already gone on record in this thread by saying that the 25th pick was made worse by selecting him. That has to be by far one of the worst comments that I’ve ever read on this blog.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Again, I will root for him
But that doesn’t mean my opinion on him (one I already expressed before i knew jhe would be a Net) has to change before he plays for us and proves me wrong on an NBA basketball court. Believe, I hope he does. But that doesn’t mean I don’t have an opinion on him coming out of college.
hey, that’s all I wanted to hear, that you’ll root for him.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
if you agree that
1) the 2011 draft was weak
2) expectations should be low for a 25th pick
maRshon brooks was a fantastic pick. best player available AND a team need (flat out scoring/athleticism). i say this whether he pans out or not. however, i’m of the mindset that he becomes an all-star in the league.
imagine something extremely witty here
Personally, I'm still peeved we passed on Jordan Hamilton and Tyler Honeycutt, I would have taken either over Marshon.
But that isn’t MarShon’s fault and I did like him as a prospect, actually I had him literally right below those two, so I hope he pans out.
I’ll certainly be behind him as long as he gives his all and shows up, but I do wonder what could have been…
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the Marshon pick a lot
But it stings sooooo much how close we were to Honeycutt too.
Brook-Brooks-Brookyln
LET'S DO THIS!
Easy, look at Memphis
Memphis beat San Antonio and came within a shoelace of beating OKC mostly through their dominant post play. Tony Allen, Sam Young, and Shane Battier were not consistent outside threats. But with Zach Randolph and Marc Gasol dominating the post, Memphis was able to achieve more than anyone imagined. Nene and Brook could have a similar effect on the Eastern Conference. Hump and J-Will don’t have post games. If you can dominate the post, your don’t have to rely on your wings to do as much.
D-Will > Carmela
by Gdepp94 on Jul 20, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
exactly
Nene and Lopez are both solid low post players, with Nene being the better defender that can take the tougher assignment on defense to cover Lopez’s shortcomings.
We will be one of the best teams in the East with those two up front for Deron. I can’t see why anyone would pass that up. Hump is my guy man, but unless he’s willing to take less we’ll have to go elsewhere.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
+1 to both above posts.
Although we still need a solid wing who can create for himself and take some of the pressure off Deron with his ball handling.
Hopefully MarShon can be that, but even if he can, there’s a good chance it will take 2 or 3 years.
We don’t need to waste that many years.
If we do blow the cap, we need to bring a guy like Rip Hamilton in and groom Brooks as his successor 2 years down the line and use him as a spark plug 6xth man for now.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
there is an Espn Insider on AK47 and NJ
Just posted today. Someone with insider give us the details please.
by power_njerz on Jul 20, 2011 9:13 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Just says what we already know
Outlaw is terrible and AK-47 is productive enough to make an immediate impact on our team.
D-Will > Carmela
i'm just weary of how much mr. injury wants
i hope there is an MLE next year because i feel the team is going to have to blow it all on him after they sign nene and blank.
if f we blew all the cap space on nene, ak, and blank i would be very happy
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 20, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Here it is
New Jersey Nets: Signing Andrei Kirilenko
Making the connection between Kirilenko and the Nets after Russian billionaire Mikhail Prokhorov bought the team was easy enough. Before coming to the NBA, Kirilenko starred for the CSKA Moscow team that Prokhorov supported financially. Now Kirilenko is a free agent after the conclusion of his lucrative contract with the Utah Jazz, while the Nets happen to be sitting on a pile of cap space.
Fortunately, such a match makes sense on the court as well. New Jersey’s small forwards were a disaster last year, while Kirilenko remains a valuable contributor when healthy. His 5.6 WARP ranked eighth among all free agents. If the Nets are looking for a short-term fix to help convince Deron Williams to stick around, Kirilenko might be their best option.
good news kid did well
wow thank god for comic con and E3 or this would be a boring summer.
I agree with someone saying that we need a vet at the 2. Brooks as we seen with rookies will likely become a foul magnet. Especially at that position.
Do I feel he is the next Kobe?? Hell no.
Do I feel the Nets made a great pick for a guy that bring them what they need off the bench and will have every chance to grow in to something special?
Hell yes.
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 20, 2011 9:16 AM EDT reply actions
I'd rather
bite the bullet at the two with Ammo and Marshon and upgrade at the 3 and 4 instead of having a log jam at the 2 guard and being thin up front
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I get that
but as Deron Billy and many others have said the Nets need veteran players.
I will not feel comfortable with that rotation because we already seen that Morrow had problems defending at his position. Which is why we saw many times Graham and Outlaw guarding the opposing team 2.
As we seen rookies are usually foul magnets and I don’t expect this to change too.
I think the Nets can upgrade at SG with a trade but it can’t be just those two
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 20, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
there will be no perfect rotation
we have to do the best that we can. IMO, that’s getting two solid players in Nene and Prince. With whatever’s left, we can try and get someone that can defend at the two. But it makes no sense to sink a ton of cash into a position that has two players there already, one of whom will need time to get off of the bench, when we have no power forwards under contract and Damion James/Travis Outlaw at the three. That makes zero sense. Ammo is not a bad player. We have to see with Marshon. Right now I feel better about the two guard rotation than I do James/Outlaw and zero PFs on the roster, sorry.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
i agree we need a vet who knows how to close games on both ends of the floor
if we got nene and prince or AK then the team still needs that tony allen/deshawn stevenson/sefolosha/bogans/hinrich (you get the point) backcourt defender
but if they went another route say of hump and mbah-a-moute then they need to get a thornton or afflalo or maybe thad young or wilson chandler
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 20, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Championships are won up front
having a log jam at the 2 guard won’t get us any wins, but having a solid frontcourt WILL.
It will be funny if Marshon succeeds. A lot of people will be eating crow.
I’m rooting for him to succeed. Clearly we have some folks that are hoping for the worst with him to justify their disdain over Billy King trading a bunch of garbage for the Rockets and Lakers picks.
Good luck Marshon. Work hard.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 9:33 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
What league, the WNBA?
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
we have a top 5 center
and a double double PF who work perfectly together, our big men are fine, we need swingmen.
by nets14 on Jul 20, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1 Really I thought we had a D-League frontline and NOT D-League wing players
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
espn insider info
New Jersey Nets: Signing Andrei Kirilenko
Making the connection between Kirilenko and the Nets after Russian billionaire Mikhail Prokhorov bought the team was easy enough. Before coming to the NBA, Kirilenko starred for the CSKA Moscow team that Prokhorov supported financially. Now Kirilenko is a free agent after the conclusion of his lucrative contract with the Utah Jazz, while the Nets happen to be sitting on a pile of cap space.
Fortunately, such a match makes sense on the court as well. New Jersey’s small forwards were a disaster last year, while Kirilenko remains a valuable contributor when healthy. His 5.6 WARP ranked eighth among all free agents. If the Nets are looking for a short-term fix to help convince Deron Williams to stick around, Kirilenko might be their best option.
he's also injured
a lot.
I’d rather get Prince.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Im one of the few who is fine with either.
"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 20, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I think AK is better at PF
He was much better at SF before age and injuries, which will only continue with more time.
I rather have Prince.
Thanks but Netsdaily is going to give you a warning for this.
AK47 is the more efficient player at the 3. Also keyword short term fix!
Let’s get him. You add him and Nene and our starting frontcourt are all over 6’10 with long arms. AK will get at least 6rbs a game on this team. We also need help with blocks.
by power_njerz on Jul 20, 2011 9:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I just
worry about his health
I’m kind of leery about having a SF rotation that seemingly cannot stay healthy, but last year could have been a fluke with James
I won’t be upset if we sign him since we need anyone worth a damn at this point but sheesh…
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
foot injuries are hard to come back from especially if you dont let it heal properly
nic batum struggled with it in the past, same for outlaw, of course yao, beaubois, haslem
in the basketball world you have to treat foot/ankle injuries with the same severity as knee injuries
i think james came back too early, i dont think he was injury prone, he looks like he works out plenty and keeps his body in check(unlike say devin harris)
kirilenko though: i understand he is going to get money, but i wish they could lace the deal with clauses that gives him more bonuses if he plays like 70 or more games or 2000+ minutes. i think its like 3 years in his career where he got through a season without missing major time
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 20, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
AK... Ugh...
He’s not even a very good SF and he’s always injured, ton of mileage and the wrong side of 30.
We really shouldn’t be sinking much money into the small forward spot unless we can ditch Outlaw, it’s too much money in the small forward spot without a star to show.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
We made a mistake with Outlaw but there is too much at stake to ignore the mistake
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
What I fail to understand is why do people knock Brooks for being the “25th” overall pick in a “weak” draft. These are the same people who claimed that the 25th pick could have EASILY been drafted by #10. There were alot of shockers in this draft nobody knew where anybody was going to be taken after I’ll say the 3rd pick. So to knock Marshon Brooks for being picked 25th overall is very very silly to me.
All we heard during the workouts was Brooks destroying his competition. With dedication and hard work I don’t see any reason why this guy can’t be a starter on this team by Mid-season if there is a season.
The Nets Broke My Heart..
it's embarrassing
I don’t remember the last time a rookie was already being tossed under the bus
We gave CDR, T-Will, hell, Boone, Marcus, etc etc a chance to prove themselves
yet we’ve already got people saying that the 25th pick was a blown pick. Unbelievable.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Brooks needs a better barber though. Its not a barber inclusive lockout.
by power_njerz on Jul 20, 2011 9:36 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Impressive scoring output
48 points is impressive, as is 51 or whatever in a Div. 1 game. He can score. His arms are impressively long, but the girth of his torso is freakishly small. He’s going to get posted up easily. He’ll have to adopt a Tayshaun Prince approach to defense — taking advantage of his long arms while minimizing the negative effects of a supremely svelt frame. We still need a lockdown defender for the backcourt, though. I think our SG rotation can sufficiently score, but we still don’t have a backcourt guy who can stop the ball. Anyway, last night was a “good sign” from an offensive standpoint. IIRC, Anthony Morrow had the summer league record for points in a game, so if that’s a precedent…
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
I still want to see what he can do
if he’s totally committed to defense. He will have to be to see time on the floor.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
NYDNInterNets Stefan Bondy
Dynamic offensive performance from Brooks, but also saw some troubling defensive habits. Avery will have to get more commitment on that end
Bondy = HATERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Bondy is making a good point
and it’s something that we need to see 100% commitment from or he won’t see the floor. I agree.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
NBA coaches get paid to do what exactly? No reason why this guy can’t become a stud on the defensive end.
The Nets Broke My Heart..
well
it will start and begin with Marshon. That’s it. You already know Johnson is going to run him ragged on defense.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Almost every NBA player can be a stud on the defensive end
NBA coaches can do whatever they want, but at the end of the day, it’s still up to the player if he wants to do it or not out there
It is up to the coach how much that player plays
And defensive accountability can be the playing time barometer.
Ric Bucher reported that he's heard that Deron Williams and Dwight Howard have discussed playing together in the future. - Kevin Baumer
with avery i doubt it
it took josh howard and marquis daniels almost two full years before they got major starter minutes
brandon bass got limited minutes(hence why he left for orlando)
jj barea was unknown until about 2 years ago even though this is like his 5th year in the league
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 20, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Aj is a good coach
Dirk has credited AJ for his development and has high praise for him. AJ is a really good coach. Honestly it wouldn’t bother me if Brooks didn’t play right away. When hes ready to play he’ll play. I trust the coaches
Josh Howard started every game he played in his 2nd year @ 32 min per
And he started 29 games as a rookie and was 6th on the team in minutes per behind Dirk , Nash , Finely , A.Walker , A Jamison.
Bass was behind Dirk so obviously he wasn’t going to get a lot of minutes. He was competing with other guys as well.
Barea had to play behind Terry and Harris as a rook and he wasn’t close to either at the time. The next year Harris moved to starter (then Kidd) , and Terry was the main PG backup and rightfully so. Things opened up for JJ later when Terry was used at SG a lot more. Roddy stole his thunder at times last season, but he got hurt this year and they just rolled on with JJ and he played well.
He’s likely not going to refuse to play someone because they are young , it really just depends on the player , how he’s handling things , and who else is on the team.
"This isn’t fantasy or rotisserie basketball. Why would Denver want Outlaw? Would you?"
by strange-brew on Jul 20, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
It is up to the coach how much that player plays
See, it wasn’t T Will’s fault.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Brooks will succeed
I could see him starting for us this year. But he may be better suited coming off the bench in jamal crawford scoring type role.
Spend money on a sf and a pf or two and I’ll be satisfied.
For a #25 pick in a weak draft
He can end up as one of the steals of the draft in my opinion. Dont forget he played through the 2nd half with painful cramps, didn’t sit out, just went out there and balled well. He’ll get better with more of these games while the lockout is still on. Great pick, im liking what i have seen so far , just gotta get his turnovers down and adjust him to AJ’s defensive system.
I agree, but for now I only think he'll get better offensively.
Gotta wait till he’s with his actual team for defensive improvement.
"MarSwag Brooks"
has the abillitiy to change the dynamics of our team by becoming a star (i didnt say superstar) lol…. but if this kid avg above 12 ppg …. woww… the way we build our team will completely change…..
by blazin pp face on Jul 20, 2011 10:11 AM EDT reply actions
’Swag"
“2K11”
we need to settle on a nickname
I vote for “Swag”
Swag for 3
swish
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
this
"Dont blame me, I was given this world, I didn’t make it."
-Tupac Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Jul 20, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Swag is wack.
I feel like it’s the new “hater”, just with a positive spin.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
So you are hating on swag
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Can't give a guy a name like "swag" or a nickname at all for that matter
without seeing him play a single NBA game
Brook-Brooks-Brookyln
LET'S DO THIS!
Oh and BTW, I coined the nickname "Brooks Brothers" for him and Lopez.
:)
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the way Johnson rides his rookies
you have to be mentally strong……. TWill was not…. hopefully Brooks is
by blazin pp face on Jul 20, 2011 10:13 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah no doubt man
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Haters???
Why does everybody have to be a homer. Scoring 48 points in a pick up game should be disregarded and laughed about. Only on the Nets is this actually news for hope and future all star potential. Pleaseee.
Keep in mind Avery makes every player work for their playing and that means effort on both ends of the court. Brooks has to earn the right to be talked about with Kobe and even Morrow.
Are you guys hating on Morrow because you think Brooks can take his job without playing a game?
Marcus Williams, wasn’t he constantly compared to Deron Williams coming out of college. He didn;t earn his playing time.
Brooks can be good but so could of been Antonoio Wright, CDR and Twill also.
I wasn't really surprised or impressed with his scoring
That’s the one single thing you know he can do. He will never have problems scoring in the NBA. But without defense or an all around game, he’s just another scoring spark that should be coming off the bench, ala Nick Young, Anthony Morrow, etc etc. When he shows me those other things, that’s what’s gonna impress me
The thing is, he can't show those other things in a Pro-Am game, so we'll have to just enjoy last night for what it was and leave the real evaluations for later
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
and why can’t people be excited about one performance pro-am or not? they’re just happy he played and played well in a basketball setting while there is no pro-ball being played? leave it alone. he might be a bust eventually.. but don’t tell people not to be excited for POTENTIAL (not definite) performance.
because theres nothing to be happy about
lets say you got 100 on a third grade math quiz, are you going to call yourself the next einstein after that.
A streetball game is no challenge for Brooks, its not going to make him better it shows me nothing.
Its nice he wanted to entertain a crowd and thats it.
I’m reading comments that he should be the starting 2 guard and he has Kobe potential because of a “streetball game”??!!.
That is being naive
by kk30 on Jul 20, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you’re misreading people’s happiness. just saying. people know the difference between “being kobe” and “having a little kobe in him”. give them some credit. they are happy because a net is playing and played well. that is all.
He's not misreading anything.
I could go through this thread and within 5 minutes pick out 10 quotes calling him a definitive 20ppg NBA scorer, a starter from day one, the next Kobe, Kobe Lite, etc.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly
woke up this morning expecting to read that he scored a ton of points. It’s a pro am game after all
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I give up DollarBills posters here just don’t seem to get it how people could get over excited.
The Nets Broke My Heart..
i mean
if he didn’t score a lot and played poorly in a pro am game, what would his haters have been saying
you know this kid has got something about him if he’s already amassing haters before he’s even played one minute.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s the other thing that bothers me if he would had played poorly that game all these comments would be worse! So what was he suppose to do not play at all?
The Nets Broke My Heart..
he should have sat home
and played NBA2K11
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
and kk30
Marshon clearly has the tools to be a better offensive player that Wright, CDR, and T-Will.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I've tried to forget wright was a net...
And thorn took him over granger. And we would have taken green if he did not choose wright.
He's like a Nick Young with Tayshaun Prince's body type
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
ah, now I see muwu essentially wrote the same thing, props mu
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
Andres is right
Do you what stats are from streetball games?
FALSE HOPE
by kk30 on Jul 20, 2011 10:28 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
No
They are stats from streetball games.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Streetball has very little to do with NBA basketball skill
Were any screens set, were any plays set. Nice to see that Brooks actually got 1 assist in the game.
Streetball is for entertainment mainly. How were the other players, some of them probably didn’t even play college ball.
Isn’t it expected for an Nba player to put up a lot of points in that game.
Whats next “Travis Outlaw scores 44 points in pick up game with his family”
by kk30 on Jul 20, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and how about his scoring average
while playing in one of the best conferences in NCAA D1?
should we ignore that too?
Let the kid breathe.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Triple Doublezz!
In best mocking of Jason Kidd voice.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
When did anyone say otherwise?
You said “Do you know what stats are from streetball games?”
And I said, they are stats from streetball games.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
I never seen a guy hated so much because he played in a amateur game to stay in shape and impress his fans and just so happened to score 48 points now everybody thinks he’s trying to be the next Jordan smh.
The Nets Broke My Heart..
And you wonder why the Nets will be in Brooklyn
all this hate towards someone that has done nothing but get drafted by us
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope that folks can contain
their hate and xenophobia when Boggy comes over next year.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I want him to play here
6’8, nice skillset. We need all of the talent that we can get.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I guarantee Net fans are going to find SOMETHING about his game to complain about. He doesn’t do this he doesn’t do that he’s a bum oh scratch that he’s a bust !
The Nets Broke My Heart..
No one
should be compared to Number 3.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
No one is hating Brooks
I’m just hating the expectations that people are giving him. Thats the wrong way to treat a rookie. If he averages 4 points a game people will be calling a bust but I will have his back. If he has a few dnps people will be calling him a bust. I do not call rookies busts till at least year 3.
I’m patient, most of the fans here are not and expect every rookie is the next messiah
by kk30 on Jul 20, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
what are the expectations?
I just expect him to work hard, listen to the coach, and commit himself to playing defense.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
ye I had the same expectations for countless of Nets
Your be suprised how much easier “work hard, listen to the coach, and commit himself to playing defense” is said than done.
I know you keep mentioning tools, didn’t Twill have Andre Igloudaga tools and Marcus Williams have Deron Williams tools.
The expectations you mentioned will determine if he makes it in the NBA but in no ways are they the guarantee that you make them out to be
Real Nets fans don't do "happy"
Get with the program.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 20, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nobody knows what kind of defense moon was playing, but moon was always one of his team’s better defenders. Despite what the circumstances are, most players are competitors, especially someone like moon who had to fight to get into the nba and stay for as long as he did. 48 means that he has the POTENTIAL to be a kobe in the sense that we can run our offense through the 2 spot when he’s on the court and we can do so with a backup pg or a combo guard getting him the ball because he has no problem finding his own shot. His long arms gives him the potential to be an above average defender and more importantly a good finisher around the rim.
CDR isn’t a good comparison because coming out of college everyone knew he could flat out score and get his points but never had an nba level perimeter game. Twill is a completely different player, the only similarities are there athleticism. He was never effective off the ball because he had no jumper which means he needed to be molded into a pointforward or pg to be used to his abilities. The problem with that is he was a very careless passer. I’d love to still have him but he’s gone and everyone including Andres needs to accept this. Sasha gave us a few buzzer beaters and clutch shots on a team starving for hope, lets be happy for that.
People here just don’t seem to understand smh.
Making too much out of nothing. It was an amateur game for him to impress his fans and stay in basketball shape not to make a point ohhhhh I’m going to be the next Jordan. The Nets don’t need another sg blah blah blah.
The Nets Broke My Heart..
by Mikee21 on Jul 20, 2011 10:32 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Nets are gonna get shafted by a shortened season
Over a two-week stretch from March 30-April 13 the Nets play seven-of-eight games on the road, including four at Golden State, Sacramento, the Lakers and Portland. After that stretch is the three-game homestand against the Hawks, Heat and Celtics. That is a tough way to end the season.
The competition is good. I want to see the Nets play against good teams and win.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
the schedule would be redone if there was a shortened season
by rootcactus on Jul 20, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah i think dennis scott mentioned in the 98-99 season
they had to cram the 50 games in the 3 month stretch(february to april) and they had to play like the 50’s and 60’s with like 3 games back-to-back-to-back and such. and road trips and home stands were pretty much big chunks(not like 2 games and then leave)
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 20, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
good news
he could have done worse. Not enough good news to translate his game in to the nba, but good new is good news.
I did see some porous defense but again it was an exhibition game where players only play defense. I’m sure Avery will be in his ear about defense. So far he has been able to play his offense game like he did in college. The kid is not shy.
I expected this kind of offensive output if the nba had a summer league against talent from the college level. The real test will be in the pre season if there is one.
so far so good.
WHO CARES!
If he was Number 25 in a weak draft.
Wasn’t Michael Redd a second rounder? What about Monta Ellis? Manu?
He could of been pick in the 7th round in the NFL and signed with the Nets becuz his father owned the team, who cares! He shows great potential
crazy
Those who say not to compare marshon a 25 pick to kobe need to relax fans did not start this it was well known that Tim grover and I believe ric bucher stated this and Tim grover has seen thousands of players I’m sure he knows when he sees talent
by Pure baller15 on Jul 20, 2011 10:58 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
OK.. Let's take a quick informal poll.
Do you guys understand the difference between:
A) Being Kobe Bryant
and
B) Having a little Kobe in him
I just want to be sure people can make the distinction.
by DrazPetro on Jul 20, 2011 11:00 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
some folks can't
no one has called Marshon the next Kobe Bryant
I just want Marshon Brooks to be Marshon Brooks, and a productive member of this roster.
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
the long arms
the ball handle, and the jumpshot really intrigue me.
But I agree with the folks that worry about his defense
He will have to defend. There’s no excuse with that wing span. Get out there and defend, and on offense don’t worry, Deron will find him
by MrDollarBills on Jul 20, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
it would be ridiculous to say he is koe or will become kobe like player, but what im saying is tim grover said he has a little bit of kobe in him ill take that little bit
by Pure baller15 on Jul 20, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't make the distinction
He dropped 48 in a basketball game and will drop 48 in his first game as a Net as well.
He will also win us the world series.
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by eLonepb on Jul 20, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In response to what positions we should be looking to sign in Free Agency:
We currently have Anthony Morrow and Marshon Brooks under contract. Kris Humphries is not under contract. Meaning we can choose from any power forward in Free Agency.
Are the two players we have under contract at SG great players? No. But they are under contract. We now have the opportunity to choose any power forward that is available yet people want us to sign a worse and less talented player?
Unless Marshon turns into a stud, Anthony Morrow and him should not be our 2 guard rotation in 2012. But the thinking that because Morrow is a starter so that should mean Hump should be our starter too is absurd. Humps contract is up, we now have the opportunity to UPGRADE that position. When Morrow’s contract is up we will then have the opportunity to UPGRADE that position as well.
We have much more pressing needs than SG. Travis Outlaw and Jordan Williams are currently our starters at SF and PF. HELLLOOOOOO????
Techhhnically Brooks is not under contract
But yes I agree with you.
And if you have a front line of Nene and Lopez, that is going to require a LOT of double teaming. And with double teams come open jump shots for shooters like Morrow and Brooks. I’m fine with where we are at SG right now knowing we have no PF and a miserable SF.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
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Hey
We currently have Outlaw and James under contract. I gues that means we don’t need a SF that badly.
c'mon now
You and I both know Travis Outlaw wasn’t/isn’t capable of being a starter, sixth man, nor reliable role player. Stephen Graham…
Yea so it’s basically Damion James versus Anthony Morrow and MarShon. Nets need a 3 and a 4.
by JerseysFinest. on Jul 20, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly my point Andres.
First priority is signing the best player available at the power forward position since it’s our biggest need.
Then you take a look at the two other positions of greatest need SG and SF.
who would you take for an 82 game season? Morrow/Brooks or Outlaw/James. If you go by the poll numbers in this article almost everyone agrees that we would be more comfortable with the former. Therefore signing a small forward is the next priority.
Are you really going to argue that Outlaw/James is more talented than Morrow/Brooks? Really?
by Clayton Balch on Jul 20, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
You do realize Jordan Williams a second round pick is our starting PF right now right?
We don’t have any other pf’s on the roster.
by Clayton Balch on Jul 20, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Kris Humphries isn't on this team.
By going after Hump that would make pf a big need.
by Clayton Balch on Jul 20, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Let me ask you a question:
Would you feel more comfortable with Damion James and Travis Outlaw at small forward or Jordan Williams being our starting power forward? Once you answer that question you tell me what the bigger need is.
by Clayton Balch on Jul 20, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
with Kris Hump as our starting PF
to say PF is our biggest need, when we can just re-sign Hump is pointless
He's a free agent.
Kris Humphries is a free agent. He’s the same thing as David West and Nene. He’s not on this team. You can’t assume were going to sign him. He’s a free agent.
by Clayton Balch on Jul 20, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
because you know hump is staying
no one is going to throw more money at him?
no contending team is going to throw a max MLE at him?
nothing is guaranteed. people doubt deron will leave but brush off hump like he wont
as of now PF is the biggest need. technically because of the lockout we have no pf under contract
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 20, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Easier said than done
You make it sound like he’ll play for the minimum. I bet if he sees Nene get a $13 mill offer, he’ll probably hold out for the same. Don’t make it sound like Hump re-signing is such a given. He has given no indication that he’ll give us a discount.
"The trade that usually happens is the one you never hear about" - Net Income
Hump hold out for 13 mill?!
SA, are you loco?
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Ask Kiki Vandeweghe when he front-loaded K-Mart a few years ago
"The trade that usually happens is the one you never hear about" - Net Income
Correction, gave that massive contract to K-Mart
"The trade that usually happens is the one you never hear about" - Net Income
Hump ain't getting 13.
I’ll bet my left testicle on that one.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Not saying he will
But you know he isn’t settling 5 mill either.
"The trade that usually happens is the one you never hear about" - Net Income
No not at all.
I think 40 over 5 is his floor and I could see someone throwing 50 over 5 at him.
More Nene pleeeeeasssse…
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 21, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe not 13
But I definitely see some team giving him a huge contract as a product of this season. History leads me to believe that.
by JerseysFinest. on Jul 21, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
So then PF is a big need?
Bc Kris Humphries is a free agent and isn’t on this team.
by Clayton Balch on Jul 20, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Kris Humphries is a free agent.
If we offer him $5 million per year and another team offers him $7 per year do you still think he’ll sign with us? He has the right to sign wherever he wants. You cant assume that a free agent is going to sign with this team especially if we have clearly stated that we’re trying to upgrade the talent on this team. There are better pf’s in free agency than Kris Humphries.
by Clayton Balch on Jul 20, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Why offer him 5mil per when his cap hold is 6.4mil???
Better PF’s than Hump. Ok maybe Nene and West both of whom will want 12mil per year plus. if Hump can get in the 7-8 mil per range, the difference will be getting a decent vet for the bench and getting more D-League minimum salary types.
I think we should be done with the Mario West’s of the League.
The difference between Hump and the 2 pf’s better than him is a Jordan Farmar right now. Injuries happen you want experienced vets on your bench in that case. Thy can steady the ship until guys return. Having D-league types fill those gaps mean season over real early and bye bye Deron.
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
That wasn't the point of this conversation.
If we offer Hump X amount of dollars and another team offers him a more lucrative contract then he will most likely take that one. Nets14 seems to think that signing Kris Humphries is a done deal. Read the last 20 comments above you.
We’re talking about need. This teams biggest need is currently power forward. I’m not sure how anyone can dispute that. Jordan Williams is currently our starter.
by Clayton Balch on Jul 21, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
The difference between Hump and the 2 pf’s better than him is a Jordan Farmar right now
So let’s examine this statement.
Hump is a solid player, borderline starter, although before this season he was straight up awful, bench fodder that couldn’t crack a weak rotation in his 5 to 6 previous seasons.
It’s not a given he even matches his average level production of last year and it’s not even close to a given that he matches the beastly and yes inflated, numbers he put up during garbage time of the season last year.
So then let’s look at Farmar…
Who is Farmar?
He’s a mediocre to average, dime a dozen backup point/combo guard with delusions of grandeur that turn in him in the direction of poor selection shot jacking, costly turnovers and pounding the rock into the earth for the first 18 seconds of the shot clock and then spazzing out.
All this and he’s on a standard issue type of contract for a player of his worth at best and he just happens to play a position where our superstar player resides.
And the coupe de grace is we have Sundiata Gaines locked up for next year at vet minimum, who has shown himself to be a more than worthy 12 to 15mpg backup type.
With Brooks and Morrow, he probably will see little to no time at the 2, let alone there’s a good chance we pick up a bargain low risk guy like Redd or an undrafted rookie like David Lighty.
To wrap things up and add the final point…
Nene > Hump + Farmar
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 21, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Your opinion is YOUR Opinion
Still doesn’t make it fact.
And from what it seems like in your post….
Nene > Than any person or group of people on the face of the Earth period.
The Hypocrisy is astounding
Hump is a solid player, borderline starter, although before this season he was straight up awful, bench fodder that couldn’t crack a weak rotation in his 5 to 6 previous seasons.
Hump finished 5th in the NBA in rebounding. There are probably 26 other NBA GMs that wish they could say that about thier own PF. But nonetheless, still just a borderline starter. With the 17.8 PER for all the Advanced guys out there. Nene was 20.4. A difference of 2.6. Farmars PER 14.1 Our Starting SF posted a 8.8 PER and graham who posted 28 starts for the NETS posted a 4.4 PER
So HUMP+FARMAR>NENE
Weak Rotations that included All Star Power Forwards at every stop? All of whom now make Max or near Max money. And if your statement proves true there are not many minutes behind franchise guys.
Played in 74 games for us with 44 starts and averaged a double double. But has not proven much to you.
But….
And the coupe de grace is we have Sundiata Gaines locked up for next year at vet minimum, who has shown himself to be a more than worthy 12 to 15mpg backup type.
Sunday appeared in ten games for us. But you believe in him. Hump has been here 118 games and you don’t believe in him.
And just for numbers sake
Gaines 10 Games Played 0 starts 56 games NBA Experience
14.6 Mpg 5.5 ppg 2.4 rpg 2.5 apg .417fg% .235 3pfg% .555FT% 1.3 TO
Farmar 73 Games Played 18 starts 374 games NBA Experience
24.6Mpg 9.6 ppg 2.4 rpg 5.0 apg .392fg% .359 3pfg% .820FT% 1.9 TO
In conclusion spending 12mil plus on Nene(16 Mil in cap space for us) would Leave little room to add a Tayshun Prince at SF and possibly a Chuck Hayes/Kurt Thomas.
So HUMP+PRINCE+CHUCK HAYES/KURT THOMAS > NENE + Undrafted rookie free Agents and D-Leaguers.
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You do understand advanced stats and also what those #'s mean in relation to others right?
Also PER is not the end all be all, but all you have proven is Nene has a much higher PER, Farmar’s is below league average and the other 2 schmos shouldn’t be in the league.
Quality over quantity my friend, quality over quantity.
I mean by your logic, Glen Davis+Wilson Chandler+Chris Anderson > Al Horford + Damion James(because you conveniently decided to replace him with a D leaguer or undrafted rookie.)
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 22, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
How many games did DJames start last year?
That would be 9 out of 82. PER of 10.1 so thats “MUCH” higher than OUTLAW so we should be fine there.
And yes by my logic Glen Davis+Wilson Chandler+Chris Anderson > Al Horford + Damion James. Simply because its 3 vs 2.
Thats my point why go hard after one dude when its CRYSTAL CLEAR We need 4 more SOLID guys.
Its basketball my friend and I will take the 4 in a 4 on 1 break ANY DAY.
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@ NETS14
Love that clarity man.
Exactly. Our Roster Sucked entirely as a whole. More holes in it than swiss cheese. And to overspend on one “STAR ROLE PLAYER” is silly. Only case I make for it is if DERON SIGNS his extension the same day.
BILLY KING: So Deron you really want Nene?
Deron:…..I guess?…. Right?
BILLY KING: You know what he is asking for right?
Deron:….. Yes, But Maybe I can talk him down.
BILLY KING: Good idea. Worth a shot. But just Know I will be at HIS contract signing with your EXTENSION in hand as well. You can sign the same day. We can do a classier Version of that hoopla they did in Miami last summer.
Deron: Sounds good. Done deal.
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its a business
same way lebron left, same way nash left the mavs, or baron leaving the warriors, brand leaving the clippers, k-mart leaving jersey, etc this happens every year
there is no guarantee he stays. sure its simple to say that but when you factor his blossomed value and other teams is need of big men and the lack of depth on the nets roster: they cant afford to overpay to keep him
sure if we already had a dirk, kg, aldridge, gasol, etc in front of him i’d be dying to keep him but we dont and unless they get another superstar in the starting 5 it wouldnt be wise to pay him starters money and expect him to average 13 and 15 for an entire season and then add no quality at any other position of need
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 20, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I would be happy with 12 and 10 from Hump
Considering your PG and Center both can Give you 20ppg. Im Checking the rosters and as of now no other team in the league can honestly say that.
And as we saw in another thread the top 17 PF’s in the league all make over 12 mil. So us having a starting PF make 7-8 mil is a bargain IMO. And it allows us to get quality depth at other positions. Its not like Tayshun/AK are going to take 5mil to start here when Outlaw makes 7.
Nene/West likely mean Outlaw as our starting SF, Morrow/Brooks at the starting SG and if your good with that so be it.
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So you would condone paying Prince or AK 8 mill + a year?
Our FO made an atrocious decision with Outhouse and no doubt it will have some impact on future free agent discussions, but because we made one mistake, does not mean we need to compound it with a second equally awful one.
Also, every FA out there is going to have to be told, point blank we cannot give you some ridiculous overpay because we messed up with the Lawl.
If that is what you want, go checkout Indiana and Sacramento.
And then the final point…
If you really think guys like Prince and AK are going to want say 5 at 40 because of the House, what do you think Hump is thinking coming off his best double double season in his prime in great shape?
He’s going to want 5 at 50 or if 6 year deals still exist, something like 6 at 55.
And again, of course just my opinion but…
Nene + James > Hump + Prince or AK
You keep saying Nene is “old”, yet you condone, matter of fact are leading the bandwagon to sign one of 2 31 year old small forwards to a long overpaid contract, one of which isn’t even a very good small forward who has an amazing amount of mileage on his body to go with a long and winding injury history.
I don’t think there’s a team in the league that will give AK more then 25 mill guaranteed and 3 guaranteed years of full salary, and Prince, probably no one in the league will give him more then 6 a year for 4 years, yet you want to give these guys 40 to 45 million over 5 years cause they won’t come here for Outlawl money with him on the roster?!
Last thing, we really have to wait til the next CBA, because even if it remains relatively the same, it could have a true amnesty clause.
Not only will that give us more cap space to play with, but Travesty will no longer be on the roster as an excuse for free agents, agents, to point to when demanding a huge overpay.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 21, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I never said give AK/Prince 5 years
Never said that.
But Nene at 4 years and 50 mil is an overpay IMO. And overpaying a guy in a weak Free Agent pool, who will switch positions and be asked to carry your team( in some ways ) just because you have the capspace to do so? If thats not Outlaw all over again I don’t know what is.
And at SF James couldn’t stay on the floor for all of the tea in China, Outlaw had a 8.8 PER and his “backup” graham had a 4.4. While Hump posted a 17.8. The weak links were at SG and SF. We couldn’t guard at either position add to that a weak defensive center and now the
PF has to always help. Its not so hard to cover one bad defensive player but what do you do when 3 out of 5 are bad defenders?
Show me the game tape of Nene locking down a SG, SF, PF and Center ALONE for an entire 48 minutes and i will not speak on this topic ever again… Go ahead i will wait.
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I'm done with this man, seriously.
You keep believing a bunch of average and below average aging injury prone role players are what wins in this league.
Like you said, it’s your opinion, it’s my opinion, we’ll just stick with them.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 22, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Nene is the definition of an Average NBA role player though. He isn't a "STAR" player
Our “role players” were HOrrid beyond belief last season. Our PF really wasn’t. We are “OK” with starting a 3pt specialist who cant create his own shot, can’t guard, doesn’t run the floor well and has a weak handle. Or Starting a rookie(25th pick overall) at SG and Starting Outlaw at SF. But Starting Hump again is a “crime”. I don’t get the rationale.
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I love when people put words in my mouth, claim I said things I never did and assume...
Who ever said to start Outhouse?!
Who said to definitively start one of Morrow or Brooks?
And contrary to what you say, Nene is not the definition of an average NBA role player, he’s a star role player, one of the top role players in the league.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 22, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
STAR ROLE PLAYER HUH???
Thats a new one. Like saying Upper Middle class… Still Middle Class. And Thanks to his Fiance, Hump is a “STAR” role Player too. HUMP is now a STAR. Like it or not more of a household name right now than 80% of the Players in the League.
I’m glad he is associated with the Nets.
And for the record you put plenty of words in my mouth. PLENTY. Sucks doesn’t it?
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Hump averaged 10 and 10 this year
his first year as a starter, Nene has been starting for many many years, and has a 12 and 7 career average. I know Hump will average 9-10 rpg because you dont just stop rebounding, and you know he will score 10 ppg, because of D-Will. Who would you rather have, a double double at 4/28
or 12 and 7 at 4/50? Ill take Hump.
Good luck with that 4/28 thing...
And you’re right, Jamal Magloire was better then Kenyon Martin…
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 22, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't recall him saying that at all
Are you guys talking on the phone at the same time or are you putting words in his mouth?
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You asked which I would rather have, the double double or the 12 an 7...
I gave an example of a double double guy and a star role player who had similar stats to Nene.
It was an analogy with a touch of sarcasm.
Obviously you both know that.
You’re like a WWE tag team.
You should find a 3rd member and call yourselves, Hook, Line and Sinker.
:)
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 22, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
here we go with the STAR role player
wtf is a star role player? And a very similar situation happened with KMart. He wanted around what Nene wants(KMart was much better) and the Nets turned it down. And Hump is not similar to Magloire, Magloire started more than one season….
No Kenyon wanted full max.
You’re right to, Magloire was actually a more proven and pretty much better player then Hump and yet I would still take Kmart over either.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 22, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Your opinion No different than you and your BFF Starbury the other night
I guess you guys can be Glum and Glummer
:)
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Oh and good one with that 12 and 7 thing again while crediting Hump as a double double guy.
Why am I still replying to the same thing over and over again?
Cause I just can’t help myself lol.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 22, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
yea, double double
Nene has played 30 mpg his whole career. Hump played 30 mpg one time, and that was this year. His per 36 is a double double. What do ya know, he gets 30 min, double double.
If you're going to call Hump a double double guy, at least call Nene a 14.5 and 7.5 guy...
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 22, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Hump is a 5 and 4 guy.
Just the facts mam.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 22, 2011 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
yup in 15 minutes he gives me more than half your guys rebounds
And YOUR GUY NEVER Averaged even 8 boards. Even Brook lopez managed to do that in his first 2 seasons. Your guy going on 9 years and still just cant get over THE HUMP!!
JUST THE FACTS MAN.
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ok we are sorry does 14 and 7 make you feel better?
ok there I said it. Nene is a 14 and 7 guy and Hump is 10 and 10. On a team with 2 twenty ppg scorers and a center coming off a weak rebounding year, give me the extra 3 boards and 4 less points for 4-6 million per year less. Just maybe we can use the extra money to find a few guys that can get us that 4 points.
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Let's go the full 9 and say 14.5 and 7.5, or we'll just have to call Hump the 5.6 and 4.7 guy he is, right?
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 22, 2011 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
That's great.
I understand this and wouldn’t even be debating with you if it wasn’t for your paper thin strawman arguments riddled with exaggeration, blatant falsehoods, inferences and convenient spin.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 22, 2011 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
WOW???
paper thin strawman arguments riddled with exaggeration, blatant falsehoods, inferences and convenient spin.
Sounds like your describing yourself there. Good for you buddy. Good for you. Self Awareness.
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So you label people stars based on popularity and publicity and not play?
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 22, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
A STAR is A STAR
And I can except the Guy who is 2 and half years younger and averaged a double double over a season who is a household name. Over a guy who you have to research stats in labs to find out if he is any good.
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LMAO.
Oh man, it’s so hard to stop myself from saying it.
Someone get the pliers, it’s stuck in my cheek.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 22, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
You guys are right, a role player is a role player, a star is a star and a horse is a horse.
There’s no difference between Chris Wilcox and Tyson Chandler.
Jason Kidd and Jordan Farmar are exactly alike.
Hell, so are Kevin Durant and Danny Granger.
This has been my problem all along.
I just don’t get it. You’ve opened my eyes for me.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 22, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
there are role players
Bench Warmers, decent Players, good players and stars.
Tyson Chandler is a role player, Wilcox is a bench warmer, Kidd is a decent player, Farmar is a role player, Durant is a star, granger is a good player.
So Chandler is then on the same level as Farmar?
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 22, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
you call hump a starter but really is he a starter?
he would be no better than 4th or 5th option in the starting 5 on offense on this current roster if morrow and james are starting. He’s an average positional defender and not profound in other defensive aspects of the game
pattrick patterson, taj gibson, brandon bass, tyler hansborough: thats his equivalency guy that either supplant PF’s better than them or play on a solid playoff team and start
the nets are neither: lopez isnt dwight howard and he got destroyed by hibbert last year and the nets will not make the playoffs if they commit all the cap space to hump and either prince and AK. AK and prince not only are both injury prone like a mug but the impact they will have starting at 31 years old together would not equal the impact of nene
this is not prince of 2005(when he was still overrated) and Kirilenko of 2004. Both are old and seem to be struggling mightily with injuries. Nene has not had any ill effects from his torn knee or cancer in several years and he’s in his prime
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 21, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Prime in the NBA is widely considered age 27 to 32 on average, with a sizable dropoff after that.
Prince turns 32 halfway through this coming season.
Kirilenko turns 31, but has been playing professional basketball since age 15 and is incredibly injury prone, let alone he’s not even more then an average small forward, most all his success came at power forward.
Nene doesn’t turn 32 until the 4th year of whatever deal he signs.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 22, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok no problem... find younger starting SF who can guard their position and be serviceable(12-15ppg) on offense
Keep in mind also that Deron clearly stated he wanted VETERANS on the team.
Right now Outlaw is still the teams starting SF. And i saw him be abused on defense enough to last a lifetime. I still can’t believe Outlaws parents weren’t claiming child abuse.
Our wings could not guard and were the main positions pointed at when someone said we weren’t “athletic” enough. Although I like Marshon, he is still going to be a rookie and Morrow is not very “athletic” and does not guard well.
Overspending on a Nene when you can get a younger cheaper Hump who wont even be 30 “in year 4 of his next contract” and has low NBA mileage on his legs because of lack of playing time and still be able to find some decent NBA grade Wing players seems smart.
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So you sign Nene and then look for help at the wings through trade.
Is this stuff that hard to figure?
Plus, for like the umpteenth time, why couldn’t we sign Nene and Prince?
Just answer me that one.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 22, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Because 13 Mil Plus 6 mil is 19 mil. and we have 16 mil
And have you looked at what’s currently on our roster?
What trade assets do we have that will land us a Starting Caliber SF/SG? Answer: Deron Williams and Brook Lopez.
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Stop being so facetious and evasive.
A contract of 5 years and 70 mill would still only start around 12.
I would hope we wouldn’t pay Prince more then 4 and a half a year to start.
And you’ve got to be kidding me with that Deron and Brook comment?
You said starting caliber, as in a Prince type.
Those type of players are easily acquirable.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 22, 2011 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Evassive????
Wow 5 years and 70 mil for Nene (Non All Star, Non Champ, Non- NBA All Defensive team, 4th best guy on his one and done Nuggets squads)??? But All Star, Olympian, World champ better take 4 mil a year to start and like it.
You said starting caliber, as in a Prince type.
Those type of players are easily acquirable.
Yup so why didn’t we do that last season??? No we did and came back with Sasha and Mario West. Definitely EASY.
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I'm making the point with 5 at 70.
You were saying 13 a year, thats 5 at 65, which means that deal is starting closer to 11.5…
That leaves 5 mil left out of 16.
And the hyperbole gets so thick I need a spoon and some saltines.
Ooh, the big bad All Star, Olympian and world chanp should never take 4 a year to start!
No, nooooo. That guy should get 7 a year to start minimum…
Bwahahahahah!
The guy will be 32 years old next season and has always been one of the more overrated players in the league.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 22, 2011 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
overrated?
the man plays good defense, can score, is a great, veteran leader, and was a vital piece to a championship team, but he’s overrated….
He was the 5th best starter on a stacked team, he could have been replaced with a high number of players.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 22, 2011 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Which is EXACTLY Why they passed on MELO
Because he was so easily replaced.
In “Bussiness” its about resumes. Its obvious you adore every pore that is Nene and Detest any player that would stand in the way of him being overpayed by the Nets. We get that.
But again Facts are Facts. Prince is a Winner and has been well respected in the league for years.
His Resume
Championships
2004 Detroit Pistons
Gold Medal with Team USA, 2007
Gold Medal with Team USA, 2008 Summer Olympics
2004-05 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2005-06 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2006-07 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2007-08 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
Salary last year $11.15 Mil
DEFINITELY overrated OR is he also a “STAR ROLE PLAYER”
And I checked NoNo’s Resume
2002-03 NBA All-Rookie (1st team)
And what’s odd is they both came in the league the same exact year…..
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They passed on Melo cause Joe D is an awful GM who got lucky about 4 times in a 2 year period.
If they would have drafted Melo the entire landscape of the NBA would be different right now.
Detroit probably would have reeled off 3 or 4 in a row…
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 22, 2011 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions
idk
13 pts 5 rpg over his career, NBA champion, 4 time defensive player of the year. And funny thing, he’s averaged just 2 rebounds less than Nene over his career!
You forgot the 2 gold Medals
Just imagine what Nene’s Trophy case looks like and What Tayshun’s looks like.
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4 time Defensive Player of the Year?
And 13 and 5, those are just beastly #‘s I tell ya, kid’s a monster!
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 22, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL The grasping at straws continues.....
I thought you were “Done”…LOL
You must really dig straws.
He was the 5th best starter on a stacked team, he could have been replaced with a high number of players.
Fifth best starter on a team that had NO SUPERSTARS but a bunch of players who worked well together. Made back to back Finals appearances and was the Epitome of team. He wasnt 5th on offense or defense. Probaby the 2nd Best defender and 4th best offesnive player.
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Calling him the 3rd best defender on that team is being generous.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 22, 2011 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Right.....So besides Ben Wallace who else finshed All NBA Defense more than twice???
Your opinions defy Logic sometimes. No one cares about numbers stats awards Medals and Rings its all about what VC4P thinks.
Thats solves everything.
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sheed waa easily there 2nd best defender, that's basically universally accepted.
He’s probably a notch above Chauncey, who at that time was considered one of the best defensive point guards in the game after Kidd.
But you’re right, #‘s and stats don’t matter to me, that’s why I like Nene over Hump, cause Hump obviiously has the better #’s.
And you are right, medals don’t mean jack, no sarcasm, they really don’t.
As for awards, they mean a little, but they’re usually based on name and reputation more then who deserves it.
And lastly, rings?
You could have replaced Prince with a number of other playersand they still would have won, he was theTth most important starter on that team.
All this and I have nothing against Prince and we could likely sign him and Nene, but you seem to have put this guy, along with Hump on a pedestal.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 22, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
andres is funny
If marshon pulled a favors and scored 4pts and fouled out,
He’d be all over him.
After the favors fiasco, I’m happy to see my rookie put up some numbers, pro-am
Not withstanding
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by Kieth Van Horn on Jul 20, 2011 11:44 AM EDT reply actions
We now have three 20ppg scorers on our team,
Brooks
B-Lo
D-Will
Anthony morrow on any giving night “IMO”
The Nets Broke My Heart..
Rebounding in college translates into good rebounding in the NBA. Defensive specialist etc. Why is scoring the #1 thing people don’t see translating into the NBA? Especially with a point guard name Deron Williams?
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Because scoring doesn't translate to the NBA
This has been proven over and over throughout the years.
by Clayton Balch on Jul 20, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
So no great scorer in college has ever gone to a team with a great point guard? Ever?
by Clayton Balch on Jul 20, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Just this past year
James Anderson. 3rd in scoring. Played with Tony Parker — Averaged 3.6 in the NBA.
Luke Harangody. 7th in scoring. Played with Rajon Rondo — Averaged 3.9 ppg in the NBA.
Luke Babbitt. 8th in scoring. Played with Andre Miller — Sent down to the d league.
Dominique Jones. 15th in scoring. Played with Jason Kidd — Averaged 2.3 ppg.
And this is just from one year. Go look at the top 10 scorers in college for the past 10 years maybe one or two of them turn out to be good/great NBA players, some become elite. But a lot of them play with All NBA pg’s but still struggle to score. Scoring, in most cases, does not always directly translate to the NBA. It’s a fact.
by Clayton Balch on Jul 20, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
We are fine at SG.. relatively
Morrow – who made strides defensively as the season went on and looked great next to D.Will
Brooks – who needs minutes to develop and can flat out score
Farmar – will see time here
Meanwhile we have no PF other than Jordan Williams, and at SF we have Outlaw and James.
Could we use a 3rd SG?
Sure… a vet minimum signing for depth and probably defense, but it’s one of the least of our priorities… other than PG. Even C, I’d rather upgrade the back-up more than I feel we need another SG.
If we need to upgrade SG we do so later on after we see what we have, and use pieces like the Houston #1, D.James, Bogdanovic, etc. But there is no point spending our limited free agent money on our 3rd strongest position.
I really hate it when people pull the
Here! look at this comment I made a couple of months/weeks back where I am basically backing up my current opinion with this previous opinion of mine! It’s bulletproof.
Chill, everyone. We’re all locked out and do nothing but party until they let us back in.
I feel the opposite
If you can back up what you’re saying, it strengthens your position in a debate rather than weakens it.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
Excited!
I am excited that we drafted MarShon. He just might be a player who can provide some excitement and score some much needed points. I hope the lockout ends soon, so that MarShon can have a full camp to learn how Avery wants to use him, and have a chance to play some defense. GO MARSHON…..GO NETS!
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by PaulErstein on Jul 20, 2011 1:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Chris Broussard scored 8 points in Dwight’s celebrities game… that’s pretty good, he was facing actual NBA competition… and he was playing against Dwight’s team…. sign him now, he must be a stud…
wow. just wow.
his scoring avg just isn’t high enough in pro am circuit. sorry.
So much negativity in this thread its crazy
You cant judge a draft class before they even play a game in the NBA. Some of you guys listen to these “Expert” assessments too much.
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by bkeagle718 on Jul 20, 2011 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't see negativity
It’s a conflict over people who are mightly enthused by last night’s performance and those who are tempering their expectations.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
actually, now that I'm starting to read more posts ... forget what i said
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
First of all
The vast majority of negativitiy in this thread is coming from 2 or 3 posters, so let’s cut out all the garbage about the Nets having a bad fanbase here and it’s no surprise they are leaving. Making fun of the fanbase due to a small minority of opinions just adds to the problem it doesn’t point at it.
No other bball blog has the kind of activity this one has.
you know those comments about nets fans are true though.
we are skeptical and miserable in nature especially if you’ve seen it all the past 25 years.
It's a small minortity that are being very negative!!
They are just posting a lot. Seriously… that’s all it is.
Most people on here are rational and realize that it was nice that a Nets rookie had a great game rather than flaming out in an amateur league scrimmage.
It’s a positive that an overwhelming majority here get.
i think i'm missing your point.
i thought you were talking about the comments about nets fans being miserable in general for following miserable season after miserable season.
i guess you don’t like people coming down on the FEW who are poo-pooing those of us that are happy about the marshon news?
Making general comments towards
the entire fanbase because of a small minority of negative fans is what I have a problem with.
i think the stigma in general is that..
nets fans are people who have suffered though alot.. therefore complain alot. probably not true about 95% of nets fans, but not entirely untrue when it comes to being skeptical.
i don’t think this stigma is bad-mouthing a fan-base. i think it’s a pretty good descriptor of it. don’t you think?
Not if it's of the minority
Why would I think it’s a good descriptor if it doesn’t apply to most fans? It only applies to the loud mouths. Just because they talk/complain the most it doesn’t give them the majority.
guess i'd just have to disagree
and leave it at that. i don’t personally take offense to it because i’ve been a nets fan going on 30 years and yes, i’ve suffered and yes i’ve complained about certain moves. i think in the long run, i’ve grown to expect little to nothing from the team, but the difference is.. unlike the few who have been negative, i choose to celebrate the small “victories”.
i don’t think it necessarily makes me a bad fan. i think it just describes who the nets are and have been – decades of unfulfilled promise. can’t be offended by that when it’s true.
Negativity is a part of sports
all fans go through it at one point or another. But we don’t label an entire fanbase as negative losers because of the minority that are complaining at any given point in time.
People said they weren't
surprised the team was moving with negative fans like the Nets have.
Excuse me for throwing in an extra adjective.
You said you didn’t think negativity applied to 95% of the fanbase, yet it’s a good descriptor for it. I just disagree with a 5% minority being the descriptor for me or the majority. So call me crazy or too serious.
Secondly
Can we stop with the whole “he was the 25th pick in a weak draft.”
The weakest draft in history was 2000 and Michael Redd was taken #43. 2006 was another weak draft and Rondo was taken #21 and Paul Milsap #47.
The 2010 draft was thought of as a very strong draft and it could end up being one of the worst. We have no idea what any of these drafts are going to be like until history tells us. Maybe the Nets got a steal at #25? Things like that happen.
by Netted on Jul 20, 2011 2:10 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
I've wanted to say this for the longest thanks for doing it for me because it was working my last nerve
"I love my Ducks (wait 'til you see my O)"
Nene = Brandon Wright
If we sign Nene more than likely Hump is gone to another team. Prob the Pacers.
We would then only have 2 pf’s one of which is a rookie.
Nene has had injury problems himself. We would need to bring Wright back just as a stop gap. Also we would miss Humps energy on our team. There isnt anyone else thats going to give you the hustle he does such as chase down blocks and relentless boards. Nene is a good positional defender but he isnt blocking any shots or chasing people down on breaks.
Why would the Pacers sign Hump
When they have Hansbrough? They aren’t all that different in production. I think they’ll go after West or Nene.
so the pacers can have hump and hansborough
and the nets can have nene and mcroberts
i wonder if the nets and pacers met in the playoffs how many people would be saying: “nene and lopez have no chance against hibbert and hump”
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jul 20, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lol.
So true.
I am just baffled by the Hump over Nene side of the argument.
I mean I understand supporting our guys, but is Hump even one of them?
He’s been here a year and a half.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
The argument is a good one in my opinion
You are balancing productivity vs cap space vs salary requirements. If you believe that Hump will continue to improve and become a 14 and 12 type of player, then him making $4M less than Nene and 2 years younger might be the better option.
But if you believe last year was a fluke, or the peak of his potential, and the difference in asking salary is only $2-$4M… then Nene is pretty obvious as a choice.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
I seem to recall Nene having just as many blocks as Hump last year
Also career-wise, he’s had more. Chasing people down on breaks? Really? Have you seen some of his many highlight videos?
"The trade that usually happens is the one you never hear about" - Net Income
by the way
i would have traded TWill for Vujacic straight up, for Brooks straight up or the Rockets 2012 lottery protected pick straight up.
If Brooks is what he appears to be, that trade will be as lop-sided as the DWIll deal because unless the new CBA includes a prohibition against sign and trades, when Sasha returns, the Nets will have his Bird Rights. He remains a team asset.
when Sasha returns, the Nets will have his Bird Rights.
No, they won’t. Unless they want his cap hold to eat $10M of our cap space. Sasha will be renounced as soon as free agency opens, sorry to break your heart.
Sasha is out of the league, where he belongs. Brooks is not a better prospect than Williams, not by anu stretch of the imagination, and that crappy Rockets pick isn’t even guaranteed to be a first rounder.
by Andres B on Jul 20, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brooks is already a better prospect
because he has yet to fail in the NBA. Williams has failed. He was traded from one of the worse teams in the league (that desperately needed talent) and the team that coveted him didn’t think he was worthy of seeing the floor.
Success in the NBA has a lot to do with what is happening between the ears. Not just talent. Marshon hasn’t shown us anything in that area. Terrence has and failed.
The team that coveted him STILL thinks he is good
You’re confusing Adelman’s opinion with Morey’s. You know Adelam is gone and that they canned him because they wanted a coach who plays the young players, right? Morey is on the record as saying that despite Adelman not playing him, he (Morey= beleives Williams can be an All-Star and that it was a trade for the future.
Wake me up when Brooks starts posting triple doubles in the NBA.
Morey better believe he traded a pick for him.
Unfortunately he lost all credibility when he went out and hired McHale.
as of now, Bird Rights will continue.
according to almost every analyst I have read, Bird Rights are the most likely of the “exceptions” to remain basically unchanged.
Do you understand that
if the Nets kept Sasha’s BR a $10M cap hold would count against the team’s cap? Do you honestly believe they will not renounce his rights?
you seem to forget
He remains a team asset.
Maybe he’ll be worth $10 mil when he comes back, maybe not. Maybe someone will think he is. The point is his contract is something the Nets own the rights to, and can use.
Not sure if serious...
Do you really envision any scenario in which keeping Sasha’s rights (which, again, would eat up $10M of our cap space) would be worth it?
If there was a deal in place, sure
It’s not like any of us know what the new CBA is even going to be though. Maybe he will have a $10 million dollar hit, maybe he won’t. He’s a chip though, and you don’t just throw those away.
You're not getting this are you?
If Sasha’s rights are kept, so is his cap hold.
If his cap hold is $10 million as B says, that means say goodbye to $10 million worth of cap space subtracted from our $16.
Keep Hump’s caphold and we’re at exactly zero.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
We didn't trade "Brooks" for TWill
We traded Joe Smith for Brooks, essentially.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
youre correct
and next year, he get our Rocket pick as payoff for a guy who will be ending his career.
That Rockets pick may never be conveyed as a first rounder and it's completely facetious to claim so, especially as the lead writer for this site.
I try not to clash with you much anymore, but stuff like this is pretty inexcusable.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
That's way more believable
than assuming a team that missed the playoffs the last two years is going to make them the next seven years.
i would have traded TWill for Vujacic straight up
This isn’t exactly a statement to be proud of…
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The blind leading the blind
Brooks is Kobe-lite, he was awesome at a high level competition that definitely proved all of his doubters wrong, THE END.
Is that better, Mr. Net Income? Pass up those pompoms!
lol Andres the whole Kobe lite
Thing is warranted based on his mannerisms on the court, its scary actually even at the free throw line, go watch him and you will feel the same way. Its not just me NI and a couple of others who were at the game, it was the fans in the crowd who weren’t Net fans but older gentleman who have seen a lot of players come and go, calling him special, not sure why you want to fight it. Nobody is saying he is going to be Kobe but what we are saying is that this kid has the tools to really be a more than solid NBA player.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
i think he's saying...
that you should acknowledge that he’s not a complete waste of space.
Why should I acknowlegde that if I disagree with it?
Again, an absolutely meaningless pick-up game against amteurish competition does not prove me wrong, if he starts doing that in actua NBA games then that’s when y’all should start to say I was wrong.
It’s not about the pick-up game you instantly down talk this guy when it’s obvious the kid has talent. He destroyed the other “prospects” during workouts he was a consistent scorer in college I see no flaws with this kid’s game even though I’m sure there are many. To down talk this guy as if he is the biggest bust in the NBA doesn’t make any sense to me.
The Nets Broke My Heart..
Every player in the NBA has talent.
I don’t even hate MarShon, matter of fact the opposite, I like his potential, but only if he can adapt.
And you see no flaws in his game?
See this is the stuff I’m talking about.
I’m honestly not even defending B’s views, but the opposing sides arguments are straw men at their finest.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
lol how does mannerisms
Equate to being KOBE? I even said this up top “Nobody is saying he is going to be Kobe”
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Lets examine this Brooks situation more closely...
We drafted a SG who actually can score points. That scares the heck out of me…
And he also can rebound and handle the rock… Man this really scares me !
Plus he has personality. How did we screw up the 27th pick in the draft so badly ?
by M I K E on Jul 20, 2011 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It seems like we drafted a steal in the NBA Draft.
by Chuck D. on Jul 20, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm the reason My MarShon is a Net in the first place and...
even I’m still reserving judgment (despite my bubbling excitement).
If some here think that a little excitement should be tempered, that is as valid as the exuberance over Brooks practically droppin’ a Ulysses S. Grant on a court just 10 blocks from da Mecca.
"Droppin' a Ulysses S. Grant"
Possibly the best thing to come out of this whole board today.
Brook-Brooks-Brookyln
LET'S DO THIS!
I love how I get warned repeatedly for next nothing and NI insults the living crap out of everyone he disagrees with 20 times a thread and it's all peachy.
And there’s no way to reply back to mods except public posts like this.
It’s amazing to me that this blog is for fans and would be zip zero nada without them and I’m told it’s my last warning when I’m one of the more intelligent and contributing posters on the site.
Elitist attitude around here.
This is a blog, not a genius club for the selected.
You want to ban me, go for it.
I’ll cry myself to sleep later.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 7:50 PM EDT reply actions
Is it really that hard
to engage in a discussion about basketball without taking shots at those who disagree with you? Really? Almost every other person here has been able to do it.
And if you really need to know, I deleted both of NI’s attacks on Andres in this post and sent him an e-mail asking him to stop them.
NetsDaily.com
I'm so used to it on the interenet dude of just saying things like that, I don't even consider them personal attacks.
I am aware at most times, i mainly curb myself.
And some people ask for it and last but not least, is it really that serious?
I understand you want to keep the site up to spec, but it’s not like I’m cursing and calling people real names and such.
Eh, like I said, I’ll contain myself.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
i get warnings for the littlest things
like Stating my opinion as fact. i got two warnings for calling Knick fans Trolls, which is exactly what they were doing, im with vince4pres on this one.
"And there’s no way to reply back to mods except public posts like this."
netsdailyadmin at gmail.com
^ on the home page, left column, under “Contact.”
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Thank you sir.
If needed I will use this in the future.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't take things so personally
So many people around here get all caught up in the politics of who said what and who’s on who’s side, and it becomes so easy to get off topic into a stupid flame war. Netsdaily does not stand for that crap
Argue for your point, not against certain people.
Nah I hear you.
And I don’t take it personal in the sense of, "Why are you singling me out?’, I know most everyone gets warnings for the similar stuff, it just gets a bit much sometimes.
I know they try and keep it to a higher standard here, and so I’m not talking about being allowed to go nuts at the drop of a hat, I just think at times, people deserved to be called trolls and fanboys and it’s their comments and posts that lower the standard, not the response and the word they’re called.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
"This is a blog, not a genius club for the selected."
Our site. Our rules.
They are what they are because we remember the old nj.com board where almost every thread degraded into a bunch of personal attacks, which made it too difficult to engage in any kind of intelligent discussion.
I’d rather err on the side of caution when it comes to respectful conversation, because it’s a slippery slope.
NetsDaily.com
by NetsDaily on Jul 20, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Our site. Our rules.
I understand that.
I accept it.
It’s just annoying sometimes that’s all.
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 20, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Ive been high onn Brooks for Months
http://www.netsdaily.com/2011/6/13/2222103/clearing-cap-space-for-2012-and-being-competitive-in-2011
http://www.netsdaily.com/2011/6/3/2204627/who-wants-to-make-a-deal
If you havent come around on him yet then you better start. Brooks might be the ROY this year. We really lucked out with him dropping so low. He will be the starting SG for the Nets this year and we WILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS THIS YEAR.
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jul 20, 2011 9:19 PM EDT reply actions
You've been high on Brooks?
I sense a nickname coming…
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Yeah Marshon Brooks ROY sounds like a good nickname. Here is what I wrote about him BEFORE we drafted him so I dont get accused of being a homer.
I would draft Brooks at #9
He has a 7-1 wingspan and averaged 7.1 rebounds in the Big East. He will be one of the top players when we look back on this draft 3 years from now. Besides his scoring prowess he has the ability to be a good rebounder and defender
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 3, 2011 9:40 AM PDT actions
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jul 21, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
IIRC correctly I think I responded to that exact post with something along the lines of...
Over Burks and Thompson?!
Lol, I’m not sure though…
by vincecarter4pres on Jul 21, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Good work brooks
keep working hard and bring that swag to nj/brooklyn!! lol @ that kid with the crossed out yi jersey.
I think that MarShon Brooks is going to be........
One of those Net players who will instinctively want to destroy the Knicks everytime that we play them……Like JKidd used to do……I can’t wait…….
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