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NetsDaily Off-Season Report #8

If the guarded optimism surrounding the four-hour NBA bargaining session last week turns into a basis for a new CBA, the Nets and everyone else will have to start thinking about free agency sooner than expected.  We assume the Killer B's have been talking to ownership about where the discussions stand and how it will affect their plans for free agency.  So we do a small exercise about how many spots are likely to be open absent a trade.

We also look at a fan favorite as our Draft Sleeper of the Week: how the Knicks may follow the Nets' lead in the D-League--assuming their change in management doesn't change their plans; wonder whether in a Euro-heavy draft, we should be concerned by Billy King's record with overseas players, look at what the elevation of Sergei Kushchenko to the board of directors may mean and offer some advice on turning Knick fans into Nets fans.

Star-divide

Every Sunday, we’ll be updating the Nets’ off-season with bits and pieces of information, gossip, etc. to help take the edge off missing the playoffs, relying on the Nets’ beat reporters and others who have slipped interesting stuff into larger stories, blogs, tweets... plus our own reporting and analysis.

A look at the roster

Let's assume for a minute there isn't a blockbuster trade before July 1, no CBA with an amnesty clause and two draft picks.  How many roster spots to the Nets have for free agents?

The team has eight players under contract for next season: Deron Williams, Jordan Farmar and Sundiata Gaines at the point; Anthony Morrow at shooting guard; Travis Outlaw and Damion James at the small forward; Brook Lopez and Johan Petro at center. Assume Kris Humphries and Billy King are serious about working a deal to bring him back.

That's nine, meaning six openings.

Who's likely to be considered from last year's group?  Probably Sasha Vujacic, maybe Brandan Wright, both of whom  have expressed a desire to return. Add one for the sake of argument.  We're only going to count one draft pick, the first rounder. The kid taken at #36 could be Springfield-bound.  Could be more but again for the sake of argument, we'll count one, which brings the number to 11.

So figure four roster spots open (again without a big trade).  We just don't know yet what the new CBA will look like. Nor do we know when one will be in place.  Where are the deficits?  Shooting guard right now looks like it needs immediate beefing up with only Morrow (who missed a third of the season) and maybe Vujacic. The Nets have two players at SF, but neither are likely to excite anyone unless D-Will succeeds in a big reclamation project with Outlaw or James breaks out. Backup power forward is another big need.  And none of those positions is likely to be filled in the Draft, not picking at #27 and #36.

Just an exercise for discussion.

Lockout Losers

Ric Bucher is reporting that the Nets assistants will be among the big losers if there's a lockout.  Under a stipulation in their contracts, they will not be paid if the NBA owners shut down the league on July 1. Other teams will be paying their assistants all or part of their contracts.  Spurs assistants will receive 75 percent of their salaries during the lockout and be reimbursed the missing 25 percent when a lockout ends, according to a source quoted by Bucher. The Grizzlies' assistants all have contracts that run out in July and so won't be paid. That's risky for Memphis, considering one of their bench guys, Dave Joerger, is viewed as one of the top assistants in the NBA.

Teams will not be allowed contact with their players or draft picks during a lockout, leaving the assistants little to do.  With regard to the lockout's effect on the draft, Chad Ford has said the prospect of a long lockout might keep teams away from players with maturity issues. With no organized program to keep them on the straight and narrow, there's a fear those players could regress.

Knicks following in Nets footsteps

When the Nets entered into a hybrid agreement with the Springfield Armor, that meant the Knicks would have to find a new D-League affiliate. They and the 76ers partnered with the Armor for two years.  Now, reports the Erie (PA) Times-News, the Knicks may enter into a hybrid relationship with the Erie BayHawks, currently a Cavaliers affiliate.

Like the Nets, the Knicks would run basketball operations for the BayHawks, hiring coaches and trainers, running the team out of the NBA team's home offices. The 76ers have not been heard from, but neither Rod Thorn nor Ed Stefanski seemed to be much interested in the D-League while with the Nets.  A hybrid relationship costs the NBA partner about a quarter million dollars a year.  So far only the Nets, with Springfield, and the Rockets, with the Rio Grande Valley Vipers, have entered into hybrid relationships.  Two other NBA teams, the Spurs and Thunder, own their affiliates outright. Donnie Nelson, Mavericks GM, is the principal owner of the Mavs affiliate in Frisco, Texas.

Helping Out in Springfield

A tornado swept through Springfield, Mass on Wednesday, killing four.  The NBA, the Nets and their partner, the Springfield Armor, have begun the process of helping out victims, many of whom are staying temporarily at the Mass Mutual Center, the Armor's home court.

On Friday, the Armor began an online auction to benefit tornado victims. All proceeds from the auction will go to the Red Cross to assist in relief efforts. Up for bid: season tickets, game-worn Armor basketball shorts, a pair of game-worn shoes autographed by Scottie Reynolds, a team jersey autographed by all members of the 2010-2011 squad, a team hat signed by coach Dee Brown, and other memorabilia. The Nets have contributed a Brook Lopez autographed basketball shoe, while the NBA has provided a basketball signed by Dikembe Mutombo.

Damion steps out

Damion James is back in Nacogdouches, Texas, his hometown, having a good time with the locals and someone not so local.  He ran the Damion James Classic, a camp and competition for local youth then spent some time on stage at a local club, Da Mazerati, with Slim Thug, the Houston-born rapper. (Before watching, note the audio has some issues unrelated to the quality of the music.)

Draft Sleeper of the Week - MarShon Brooks

No player in the draft has captured more Nets' fan enthusiasm than MarShon Brooks, the 6'5" shooting guard from Providence...at least among those players who might be there at #27. 

There are a number of reasons not to like Brooks as a prospect.  At 22 ...23 not long after the start of the season... he's one of the older players in the draft.  He has a reputation as being selfish: a black hole on offense, and worse on defense. His teams have never won. At a thin 6'5", he might be too small for the pro game where he's likely to get pushed around a bit more than in the Big East.  Besides, the Nets have Anthony Morrow.

Then again...

At 22 and with four years experience, he's just the kind of guy who Billy King has talked about taking, a wing with  three or four years experience who can step into the rotation.  He is a scorer, period,with a scorer's mentality. He was second in the nation, putting up almost 25 points a game (and in the toughest conference).  Not to mention that his 52 points vs. Notre Dame are the most ever in a Big East game.  Yes, he's 6'5" but has a 7'1" wingspan and teams pay strength and conditioning coaches a lot of money to bulk up their young players.

That's why a lot of draftniks think he has the most upside of any players in the 2011 Draft, mainly because of that scorers' mentality...and as was shown in the Pre-Draft combine, Brooks is one of the best athletes in the draft. With a 38½-inch vertical, a 10.74-second time in lane agility and a 3.09-second three-quarter court sprint, he surprised people.  That vertical, in fact, is an inch and a half higher than Terrence Williams and Damion James scored in their respective combine measurements.

The most optimistic0 evaluation of Brooks comes from Tim Grover of ATTACK Athletics in Chicago, where the combine was held.  As he told Chad Ford, "There's a little bit of Kobe in him, isn't there?"  But players with even "a little bit of Kobe in them" don't last til #27.  Ford has already moved him from the second round to #19 and he keeps rising. 

Jersey connection?  He's been working out at Real Gymm in Keyport, on the Raritan Bayshore. That's the best we can do...for the moment. He's scheduled to be in this week for a workout.

And if you're looking for something to sum up what to like and dislike about Brooks, there's this about his 52-point performance from the Providence Journal:

And when did he know he had something special going on?

"I looked up when I had 49 and it said I had just broken the Big East record," he said.

"And what went through your mind?" he was asked.

"I’m hot," he said.

We love it.

International Draft Deficit

One area where the Draft is strong this year --and one area where Billy King did not do well in Philly-- is overseas picks.

Kate Fagan of the Philadelphia Inquirer lists who the 76ers took in recent years.  While she doesn't mention who took them, they were all taken on King's watch.

The Sixers' overseas draftees include Marko Milic, Jiri Welsch, Paccelis Morlende, Petteri Koponen, and Kyrylo Fesenko. In the 2006 draft, the Sixers selected Thabo Sefolosha with the No. 13 pick -- Sefolosha currently starts for the Oklahoma City Thunder -- but immediately traded his rights to the Chicago Bulls for Rodney Carney.

The Sixers' international drafting record is about as impressive as a Ford Pinto. That is to say, it's not at all impressive.

Not good indeed. The 76ers international scout during that period was Danko Cvjeticanin, a Croatian who starred with Drazen Petrovic on that nation's (and Yugoslavia's) great teams in the 1980's and 1990's. Cvjeticanin is now the Nets'  international scout, having been brought in by King on arrival last July.  He's one of nine scouts on the roster.  Next week, he and Gregg Polinsky, director of player personnel and chief scout, will travel to Treviso for the adidas EuroCamp.  We wish Cvjeticanin better luck with the Nets.  Mikhail Prokhorov will demand it.

Enter Kushchenko

The elevation of Sergei Kushchenko from informal adviser on Nets' matters to corporate director is likely more than a birthday present from Prokhorov to one of closest aides and friends.  Kushchenko is one or Europe's premier sports managers.  He ran CSKA Moscow for eight years (eight Russian championships, two Euroleague championships and four straight visits to the Euroleague championship game). Now, in addition to his position as Nets director, he's still  Prokhorov's chief sports advisor and executive director of the Russian Biathlon Union, which the Nets owner heads in his spare time. 

Kushchenko is too valuable an asset to sit on the sidelines.  One possibility: Prokhorov is talking about spending a lot of time on his new political party and Kushchenko's role may be to fill the gap. His people deny there's any connection. No matter. He knows the NBA...David Stern sent him a birthday greetings...and anyone who's watched he and Prokhorov engage in animated discussions  (most of the animation by Kushchenko) in the owner's box during Nets games knows he has opinions.

Is the Nets front office in trouble.? No indication of that, but he is likely to be a very active director and he has connections. (Note this, by the way: when Kushchenko took his biathlon team to the world championships in the US last winter, he invited Scottie Pippen to join them.)

He will automatically become the most basketball savvy director on the board. We're told it consists of Prokhorov's four reps: Christophe Charlier, chairman and No. 3 at Prokhorov's Onexim Group; Irina Pavlova, who runs Prokhorov's US sports holdings; Todd D. Schafer, his US lawyer; and Kushchenko; as well as Bruce Ratner's three reps: Ratner himself; Arthur Rabin, a retired New York apparel manufacturer; and Gary Lieberman, a New York hedge fund manager. Rabin and Lieberman are long time Nets investors.  We know there used to be a Basketball Operations Committee within the board. If there still is, that's where Kushchenko would be most welcome.

Neither Prokhorov, whose title is principal owner, nor his No. 2 at Onexim Group, Dmitry Razumov, are members of the board. That's reportedly to insulate Onexim and its interlocking set of subsidiaries from any legal liabilities of the Nets and vice-versa.

Final Thought

The Knicks' decision to dump Donnie Walsh is probably not going to change many Knick fans into Nets fans...at least not immediately. But there is an arrogance on the part of Knicks ownership and management that could over the long run provide a big opportunity for the Nets. Knick fans' loyalty has long been taken for granted by Knick ownership.  It's almost as if they're saying to fans, "What are you going to do...root for the Nets?"  

Well?

With aggressive marketing (and counter-marketing) campaigns, the Nets could position themselves as a more fan-friendly franchise, one that doesn't surprise fans with a 49% average rise in ticket prices or a sudden change in general managers or whatever other atrocity the Dolans perpetrate next. 

Even without a big new campaign, the Nets can make some in-roads simply by continuing to keep their execs and players available to the ever-expanding media. Jim Dolan hasn't sat down with Knick writers in three years and don't him to do one now!  Mikhail Prokhorov has had two brunches with Nets beat writers even though he lives in Moscow! He's done email interviews, including one with the team's leading blog (that would be us). Can anyone even imagine Dolan doing that? 

Even little things can have an effect in this regard.  Stefan Bondy blogged this week that Billy King is making himself available to beat writers after draft workouts, something the Knicks have declined to do. All Access has to be more than a slogan.

There's little things as well directed at Brooklyn, which is not a bunch of hipsters complaining about the proliferation of sports bars.  As we've noted, the Nets see Brooklyn as a petrie dish where their globalization plans can be tested.  It's not an accident that the team annually has Hispanic, Russian and Chinese cultural nights when Spanish, Russian and Chinese are, after English, the three most spoken languages in Brooklyn (and probably Queens too).  We also found it interesting that Barry Baum, the Barclays Center veep for communications, escorted an El Diario reporter around the construction site just after the Daily News and before the Times.

The buzz is growing and between now and December, the arena is going to have both its facade and roof up. Its opening will be a New York "event", maybe even a national one.  Be patient.

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good article

I doubt any knick fans will be converted due to the Donnie moved. They were the top grossing team this year as well as the most valuable.

If Knicks fans remained loyal through out the marbury steve francis and jerome james I doubt this will change their mind.

Damon James on stage with Thugga I actually grew up in the same neighborhood as him. He used to sell us his mix tape at flea market. Proud of him.

Oh well go nets

My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.

by killa kadafi191 on Jun 4, 2011 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I think what they mean

is those non hardcore “Knick fans” who have no other team to root for, so they say they like the Knicks, especially those who live in Brooklyn. I think we can convert those type of fans.

by The Big Russian on Jun 4, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

They didn't have another NY team to switch too

i flipped on the fan and heard 3 seperate calls from Knick fans saying that they’ve had enough w/ Dolan and they will be keeping a close eye on the BROOKLYN nets.

by NetsKiNG on Jun 4, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a former owner said to me

Nets are unlikely to EVER be as valuable as the Knicks just as the Mets are never going to be as valuable as the Yankees but it’s not a bad thing to be the Mets, who were until recently the third most valuable franchise in baseball. Moreover, the Knicks are not as dominant as the Yankees…not dominant at all.

And while I agree that fans didn’t depart after Marbury, Francis and James. But there is a cumulative effect and with competition (and new arena buzz), things can change.

by Net Income on Jun 4, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Knicks are not yankees though

Yeah they play in NY but the Yankees DOMINATE and the Knicks are terrible. If we have a winning team that is consistent and is a class organization, watch out. 10 years from now, I would not be surprised if the BK Nets surpasses the Knicks.

In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.

8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
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by Claud on Jun 4, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Good analogy

and in Chicago the Cubs are and will always be the media darlings, while Sox fans hate the Cubs and their fans with a deep passion.

"Chuckers ain't champions" -- James Naismith, 1891

by calling all toasters on Jun 4, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, same thing I was thinking it is a perfect analogy

Except since it’s NY, it will be even brighter when the Knicks’ drought reaches 100 years! All we need now is ozzie Guillen on our sideline.

by The Big Russian on Jun 4, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of people on P&T said yesterday

that they felt like Mets fans, and I understand completely.

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jun 4, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

People that think the Knicks = Yankees are delusional.

The Mets will never be the Yankees. EVER.
The Nets can easily surpass the Knicks within a decade.

In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.

8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.

by Claud on Jun 4, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless the Mets make some sort bionic super baseball players

and dominate baseball for at least 2 decades then they will not be on the level of the Yankees. Even though the Yankees have been around much much longer than the Mets.

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jun 4, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

imagine something extremely witty here

by Gminski on Jun 4, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree

The Knicks are the most valuable franchise and have a huge following..we aren’t eclipsing that in 10 years.

Unless we reeled off multiple titles…

by NetsKiNG on Jun 4, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isiah Thomas could be a variable

If Dolan brings Thomas back as president or in some sort of capacity that spits in the face of his fan base then we may grab more of their fans then we think.

by SamsHops on Jun 4, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

A defensive threat to complement Morrow wouldn't be bad

Thornton is just a scorer

Happy to see Billy King graduated in an accelerated "how to make a trade" class in just one night :)

by Scoot21 on Jun 4, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Nets don't have anyone that can create off the dribble consistently except for D-Will.

Thornton would provide that.

He is a true scoring talent and without the baggage of J.R. Smith.

It would only take about .701% of the population of Brooklyn alone to fill the Barclays Center.

"It's kind of like the Garden. It's the same feel. It's special." - Deron Williams on the Barclays Center.

by Maxyboy on Jun 4, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

We will have to overpay to get this dude. He is also small for a sg. 6’4. Inch taller than our pg.

If we grab him def gotta get a Liggins or someone like that to Defend taller lanky guards such as Kobe, Iggy, Kev Mart…..

Look at this blog! Who’s is it?
http://www.brooklyn-bound.com/2011-articles/may/free-agent-target-marcus-thornton.html

Thornton is 1st choice obviously. I just dont want to overpay the kid. Not fully sold.

2nd choice imo is Nick young.

3rd but best choice would be JR Smith but dude is an asshat. He is about to get himself out of the nba with his behavior.

by power_njerz on Jun 4, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

small who said i was small

they call me “buckets” for a reason

The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists

R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"

by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 5, 2011 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

http://www.gifsoup.com/view/293354/marcus-thornton-poster-o.gif

The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists

R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"

by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 5, 2011 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

triple post fail

The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists

R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"

by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 5, 2011 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh yeah wade its coming again.

this time instead of d-coll it will be d-will

The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists

R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"

by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 5, 2011 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I still don't know what a rec is lol

is it like a thumps up?

Brook Lopez is the MAN!

by netsareboss on Jun 4, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

pretty much

list basically a “like” button

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by David28 on Jun 4, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok thats what i was thinking

wanted to make sure

Brook Lopez is the MAN!

by netsareboss on Jun 4, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

My only prob is...

most of them will be fake fans.
not all, but most

Brook Lopez is the MAN!

by netsareboss on Jun 4, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

maxyboy is on a roll tonight

Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.

by David28 on Jun 4, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://www.twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA

AlexKennedyNBA: Dwight Howard hasn’t talked to Otis Smith in weeks, but he’s communicating directly with ownership about making changes. Do the math.
Twitter – ‎ 1 hour ago

by WR3 on Jun 4, 2011 7:58 PM EDT reply actions  

he wants to get rid of otis?

Secret to beating heat....
When lebron goes up, opposing player goes down..... the playingfield has just been leveled or (should I say lebron has just been leveled!) Lol

by Mike28Live on Jun 4, 2011 8:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The damage has already been done.

by BrooksBridges11 on Jun 4, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

What does that mean for us?

I can’t tell if it’s gOod or bad.

In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.

8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.

by Claud on Jun 4, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alex offers little insight, ever

The only math that matters is that Dwight isn’t signing an extension in the current CBA which would guarantee him the best change of making the most money.

THAT is the real math.

Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"

by eLonepb on Jun 4, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

Howard, like Deron, wants to win. This isn’t Melo who turned several teams upside down just so that he can get his money

by MrDollarBills on Jun 5, 2011 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Im liking Jeremy Tyler

The main thing that kid oozes is talent. That happens to be an area where we are severely depleted. He comes with maturity issues which would probably make him slip to us a #27 and with a PG like Deron the Nets would surely take full advantage of his physical gifts.

by WR3 on Jun 4, 2011 8:07 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Brooks and Tyler would be good choices for us.

Williams/Farmar/Yatta
Brooks/Morrow
Free agent(J Green, Ak47, Young, Etc)/James
Hump/ Back up PF
Lopez/Tyler

In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.

8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.

by Claud on Jun 4, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he's the best PF in the draft

Hope it goes Brooks , Tyler or Tyler Liggins.

by Zartan on Jun 5, 2011 5:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Frank Isola and Jason Whitlock having a sort of argument on the twitterz.

Has come to insults a this point.

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jun 4, 2011 8:08 PM EDT reply actions  

lol links

"What's Unbelieveable is Believeable Now"

by New Deal on Jun 4, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

never mind i got it

"What's Unbelieveable is Believeable Now"

by New Deal on Jun 4, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Messina to the Lakers.

Well…that sucks.

@Al_Iannazzone: BREAKING NEWS: Nets are close to acquiring Deron WIlliams from Utah, sources told The Record.
-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.

by Andy. on Jun 4, 2011 8:16 PM EDT reply actions  

big loss for the Nets…IMO.

Had ties w/ Proky….and some of our assistant are leaving.

@Al_Iannazzone: BREAKING NEWS: Nets are close to acquiring Deron WIlliams from Utah, sources told The Record.
-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.

by Andy. on Jun 4, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

He can still come...

In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.

8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.

by Claud on Jun 4, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Avery was probably too scared to allow him to join.

@Al_Iannazzone: BREAKING NEWS: Nets are close to acquiring Deron WIlliams from Utah, sources told The Record.
-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.

by Andy. on Jun 4, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was never going to happen

but I think there will be several openings on the bench.

by Net Income on Jun 4, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Few Secrets...

With American scouting so strong in the college ranks, there will be few secrets or players who travel under the radar. But our best chance of getting anyone of value at 27 and 36 is taking someone from overseas. Maybe we can steal someone? Someone like Kobe? Someone like Dirk? Someone like my friend Irwin?

Paul from Sunny Delray Beach, Florida

by PaulErstein on Jun 4, 2011 8:41 PM EDT reply actions  

i think you have to take risks

and get lucky.

The only player who hasn’t been scouted a lot is Tyler, but by now, after the Pre-Draft Combine and interviews, people have a good grasp on his potential.

by Net Income on Jun 4, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marcus Thornton can score but can he defend?

Draft Position: New Orleans Hornets, 2009 second round (43rd pick overall)

How Acquired: Selected in the second round (43rd overall) of the 2009 NBA Draft.

2009-10 Season: Finished his first regular season averaging 14.5 points, 2.9 rebounds, 1.6 assists in 26.0 minutes per game over 73 games (17 starts)…in 17 starts, averaged 19.8 points, 3.8 rebounds, and 2.6 assists in 37.2 minutes…had 52 games of 10+ points, 21 games of 20+ points (he is the first rookie not selected in the first round to do so since Dino Radja, who had 23 such games during the 1993-94 season), three games of 30+ points…among rookies, ranked fourth in points per game (14.5), sixth in free-throw percentage (.814), eighth in minutes per game (25.6) and ninth in three-pointer field-goal percentage (.374)…set a rookie franchise record with 117 three-pointers made this season…combined with Darren Collison to become the leading rookie scorers in Hornets history – as they had 2,003 points on the year…the rookie duo also combined to average the most points per game for a pair of rookies in Hornets history with 26.9 ppg…hit the 1,000-point mark on the season, doing so in 1,771 minutes—the fastest rookie to 1,000 points since Oklahoma City’s Kevin Durant during the 2007-08 season (he did so in 1,710 minutes)…finished ranking seventh in franchise history with 720 bench points in his rookie year…scored franchise rookie record-tying 37 points at CLE 2/23; also set franchise record for points in a quarter (23 in second) and franchise record for points off the bench (previous: 33 by Dell Curry); set a franchise-record for points in a quarter and tied the 3rd most points by an NBA rookie off the bench since the 1976-77 season…had 15 points, career-high 7 assists vs. UTA 4/9… totaled 36 points, most points in a start this season, vs. CHA 4/7… scored 28 points (12-22 FG, 4-9 3FG) in 7th start of season vs. DAL 3/22… had 14 points, career-high tying 6 assists at GSW 3/17… scored 28 points (4-7 3FG) at PHX 3/14… had 28 points, 6 rebounds vs. GSW 3/8… poured in 30 points (6-7 3FG; 6 tied for franchise rookie record) vs. SAS 3/1…22 points, career-high 6 assists and 2 blocks vs. OKC 2/3… scored career-high 25 points vs. PHO 2/1… had 20 points (5-8 3FG) vs. CHI 1/29… scored 18 points at GSW 1/27… had 19 points in first career start at POR 1/25… scored 16 points vs. SAS 1/18… 13 points, 5 rebounds at IND 1/16… 15 points, 4 rebounds, 3 steals at WAS 1/10… had 10 points and career-high 6 rebounds vs. NYK 12/11… scored 20 points (8-13 FG, 3-5 3FG) at MIN 12/9… 19 points off the bench vs. PHX 11/19… scored 20 points vs. POR 11/13… scored first NBA points of career on tip-in vs. TOR 11/6…missed 10 games this season (5 – inactive, 1 – DNP-CD, 4 – lower back contusion).

College: Finished career at LSU after spending first two years at Kilgore Community College…was the SEC’s Player of the Year following his senior season…in just two seasons at LSU, he finished with 1,347 points, 21st all time and with a 20.4 scoring average, ranked sixth all time…finished eighth in school history with 168 three-pointers…as a senior, averaged 21.1 points, 5.5 rebounds and 2.1 assists…was second in the conference in scoring…scored in double-digits 19 times to close out the 2008-09 season…as a junior, averaged 19.6 points (second in the SEC) and shot 81.7 percent from the free throw line, the second-best percentage in the conference…made 90 three-pointers, the second most in a season in school history…averaged 26.9 points in his second season at Kilgore Community College…was named a First-Team Junior College All-American and MVP honors for Region XIV in his second season…as a freshman, averaged 14.5 points, shooting an incredible 65 percent from the field.

Secret to beating heat....
When lebron goes up, opposing player goes down..... the playingfield has just been leveled or (should I say lebron has just been leveled!) Lol

by Mike28Live on Jun 4, 2011 9:29 PM EDT reply actions  

i saw this

and i was like “WHOA, wayyyy to many numbers im not reading that.”

Brook Lopez is the MAN!

by netsareboss on Jun 4, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

in short.... hes a scorer but it doesnt mention if he can defend

as we all know even the greatest scorers can go cold, marcus thornton is far from a great scorer. we need DEFENSE !…….. DEFENSE is just about guaranteed every night, no matter if your having a bad offensive game.

Secret to beating heat....
When lebron goes up, opposing player goes down..... the playingfield has just been leveled or (should I say lebron has just been leveled!) Lol

by Mike28Live on Jun 4, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

z

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In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.

8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.

by Claud on Jun 4, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hump+Lopez+Morrow+James+Picks for Howard =}

In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.

8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.

by Claud on Jun 4, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

entirely too much,no need to go over board we are the Nets, not the knicks!

Secret to beating heat....
When lebron goes up, opposing player goes down..... the playingfield has just been leveled or (should I say lebron has just been leveled!) Lol

by Mike28Live on Jun 4, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Hump+ Morrow + James + Picks + Cash + Petro for Howard

Brook Lopez is the MAN!

by netsareboss on Jun 4, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

too little

Lopez James Morrow 3 Picks $ for Howard Turkoglu

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jun 4, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is Howard we talking about

not a high volume scorer like Melo, any pakage for Howard is too little if not fair.

"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.

by JJ25 on Jun 4, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1000000

You don’t let the Anthony Morrow’s or Damion James’ of the league stop you from dealing for Dwight Howard.

by NetsKiNG on Jun 4, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

lolwut?

Howard is a top 5 if not top 3 player in the league. Having him on your team instantly makes you a contender. Add to that we already got D-Will…. and come on you can’t allow Morrow or James stop you from pairing Howard/Williams together… that’s absurd.

In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.

8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.

by Claud on Jun 4, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

not to you

In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.

8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.

by Claud on Jun 4, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

madness

outside of Williams, we are giving up nothing that even compares to the overall value of Howard

by MrDollarBills on Jun 5, 2011 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well, who would we be left with?

If you give up Morrow, James, Hump, Lopez and maybe another player, whose gonna take the shots. You don’t really expect Howard and Williams to score 80 pts together? And Outlaw shouldn’t even be trying t take shots, so whose gonna score?

Brook Lopez is the MAN!

by netsareboss on Jun 5, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Miami

gutted their roster of depth, brought in two superstars and an all star and are tied 1-1 in the NBA Finals right now. they have ZERO depth. NONE.

The argument for depth is weak. We land Howard, everything will work itself out

by MrDollarBills on Jun 5, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

but they already had a solid foundation

they had wade, chalmers, haslem, and anthony already

bring in james and bosh and miller

the rest of the guys they signed are trash save for bibby who they picked up mid-season

d-will and dwight and then how many people without bird rights or MLE can the nets add in one offseason?

i’m not saying its bad but our turnaround wont be as quick as miami’s unless everyone we bring in takes paycuts to fit under the cap. assuming we dump lopez/hump/morrow/james for dwight.

i’m not counting on petro, outlaw, or farmar to step up like chalmers, haslem, and anthony

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 6, 2011 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

howard avg 27 and 15

hump and lopez avg 30 anad 16
lets not forget that hump didnt start for a major part of the year

Secret to beating heat....
When lebron goes up, opposing player goes down..... the playingfield has just been leveled or (should I say lebron has just been leveled!) Lol

by Mike28Live on Jun 4, 2011 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Meaning:

If we pick up any replacement-level big from Springfield Armor for the vet minimum, and he manages to avg 3pts and 1 rbd, we’ve managed to replace Hump and Lopez’s production.

by Charles L on Jun 5, 2011 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Too much to give up. If Howard is coming in then Morrow should be kept. He would be a great role player to a Deron and Dwight team. Plus he is a fan favorite and shows passion which i absolutely love. He has quickly become my fav Net.

by WR3 on Jun 4, 2011 10:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Hump is the perfect backup PF… i wish we could keep him

by WR3 on Jun 4, 2011 10:18 PM EDT reply actions  

i dont think we should sell the farm for howard

Secret to beating heat....
When lebron goes up, opposing player goes down..... the playingfield has just been leveled or (should I say lebron has just been leveled!) Lol

by Mike28Live on Jun 4, 2011 10:27 PM EDT reply actions  

You sell everything

To get Howard.

You can always replace Morrow and James through FA and the draft.

You get Deron and Dwight, then build from there.

by fumblesnout on Jun 4, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

agreed

In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.

8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.

by Claud on Jun 4, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

WTF?

You serious, 2 superstars, 1 All-Star, and vet minimum players can get you farther than 1 Superstar 1 All Star (Lopez) and above average role players.

"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.

by JJ25 on Jun 4, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Miami didn’t worry about depth. The got their superstars and worried about the rest later.

by dwill8brooklynbound on Jun 4, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

depends what's on the farm

our farm right now ain’t producing a lot of eggs if you know what i mean

imagine something extremely witty here

by Gminski on Jun 5, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

There is no such thing

As a farm in the NBA. Well there kinda is with the D league, but anybody with any kind of up-side is with the “major league” team.

by xs0ng on Jun 5, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Nets front office

more than likely disagrees with your opinion

who cares about depth

Miami is in the NBA Finals with zero depth at any position.

Superstars make this league. Not roleplayers

I’d sell everyone off of this team outside of Deron. Screw this

by MrDollarBills on Jun 5, 2011 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was gonna reply to this by mentioning how bad the Knicks crumbled

But then I realized that would be comparing DWill and DHoward to Amar’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’e and Melo. And that would be insulting to the Double D’s.

by Charles L on Jun 5, 2011 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Our goal of geting to the finals means we will have to get thru MIA and that is not as simple as uniting stars. The key to beating MIA imo is two stars plus depth. I want Howard in a Nets uniform more than anything and i would indeed give up EVERYONE in our team not named Deron for him. I just would hate to see Morrow go. He would be the perfect compliment to Deron and Dwight.

by WR3 on Jun 5, 2011 5:59 AM EDT reply actions  

get the stars first

worry about depth later.

When you obtain TWO of the best players at their position, and we can argue that Deron is the best at his position(and Dwight is obviously the top big man) that play excellent basketball on both ends of the floor(unlike Melo and Amare, whose games don’t even compliment each other), you’re already right there. Depth will come on it’s own through free agent pick ups.

Boston did not worry about depth when they traded everything to get Allen and KG in there with Pierce. Depth developed on it’s own. Miami rocked the Eastern conference with zero depth. I just can’t take this view seriously anymore, the NBA has changed. We either want to be contenders, or we want to be the Atlanta Hawks. Pick one.

by MrDollarBills on Jun 5, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

plus

we have a d-league team of our own. You never know what that will yield if we need to bring in some bodies that are hungry.

by MrDollarBills on Jun 5, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Look at that Golden State team in 2009. They picked up Tolliver, Watson and Reggie Williams all through the D-league. You can always find some decent players in there.

by fumblesnout on Jun 5, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

look at our team this year

we played about 6 guys who came from or should be in the d-league right now

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 6, 2011 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

and if one of them has an injury your back in the lottery top 5 pick. You are putting way too many eggs in your basket. It’s a long season. If DH gets into foul trouble the nets lose.

don’t want Dwight. I want the nets to build a solid team around Dwill.

by nets1 on Jun 5, 2011 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

So you are saying that you dont want Dwight because if he or DWill gets injured

we’d land in the lottery? Or if Dwight gets into foul trouble? This reeks of logic.

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Jun 5, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

uh what?

are you for real?

I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...

by BEB on Jun 5, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

if any team's start player has a serious injury

you’re FINISHED

it doesn’t matter one bit.

Foul trouble? are you serious?

by MrDollarBills on Jun 5, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he gets into foul trouble

we end up in the lottery.

What don’t you understand?

by NetsKiNG on Jun 5, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fail

I don’t even think you understand the giberish you just wrote.

by NetsKiNG on Jun 5, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

The ultimate oxymoron
don’t want Dwight. I want the nets to build a solid team around Dwill.

by BrooksBridges11 on Jun 5, 2011 9:59 PM EDT reply actions  

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