Nets Continue to Score High in NBA Analysts' Draft Grades
by Net Income on Jun 29, 2011 3:09 PM EDT
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PrintTwo very different analysts are giving the Nets high Draft grades, David Aldridge, NBA.com's veteran analyst puts the Nets in his "head of the class" category, the only one of nine teams in that group without a pick in the top 25. Dave Berri, stats geek at Wages of Wins Journal, gives the Nets an "A", best in the Atlantic.
Both liked how the team was able to parlay relatively low picks into a good haul. "From the back end of the first round, the Nets did quite well," writes Aldridge, who likes all three and calls Bojan Bogdanovic "a real comer" who could have value either as player or trade asset.
Berri uses college and international stats in assessing how prospects will perform in the NBA. Focusing on MarShon Brooks and Jordan Williams (who he rates higher), he writes, "Both players are excellent prospects, and both play positions that the Nets need to improve. Now all that New Jersey needs to do is to make sure that they resign Kris Humphries-Kardashian, and they should be in the running for most improved team."
- Assessing the 2011 Draft class one final time - David Aldridge - NBA.com
- Quick Takes: Atlantic Division Draft Grades - Dave Berri - Wages of Wins Journal
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No lockout!
1 - D. Williams / J. Farmer / S. Gaines / B. Uzoh
2 - A. Morrow / M. West / S. Graham
3 - T. Outlaw / S.Vujacic / D.James
4 - K. Humpries / D. Gadzuric / B. Wright
5 - B. Lopez / J. Petro
by DKang on Jun 29, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
cant wait to see Brooks in action
also Bojan is going to be ready to play right away when he comes over
Wow...another convert...
http://www.thehoopsreport.com/article.aspx?id=758
25. NEW JERSEY – Marshon Brooks – A
The Nets needed a young scoring wing, and to get it this deep in the draft is incredible. Marshon Brooks has star potential, so the Nets got an absolute steal here.
The hits just keep on coming...
http://basketball.realgm.com/blog/214384/Lerouxs_2011_Draft_Review
Nets: Marshon Brooks makes a ton of sense for a team like the Nets that can use all the SG help they can get. I have absolutely no idea when Bojan Bodgdanovic will play stateside, but taking someone like him in the second with a bought draft pick is the type of thing this team needs to do.
I believe it was Sam Amick of Aol
He was on Bill Daughtery and when asked who won the draft Knicks or Nets, he said Nets because Marshon was a steal, and had trouble saying good things about the Knicks draft.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
listened to it
Amick said that he’s heard that Brooks did “ridiculous things…during workouts in front of these teams.”
Chad Ford said same thing in his podcast day after the draft, said he was “killing everyone”, specifically saying he outshone Kanter, Singleton when he watched him. Ryan Feldman said he destroyed Alec Burks when they went up against each other in a workout.
I can’t figure out how he dominates these workouts, produced individually at an extremely high level at college, and still doesn’t get picked until 25. I understand the knocks on him, but how that many GMs passed on him is beyond me.
On June 29th, 2001, the New Jersey Nets and the Phoenix Suns agreed to a trade involving Stephon Marbury and Jason Kidd.
On February 23rd, 2011, the New Jersey Nets and the Utah Jazz agreed to a trade involving Devin Harris and Deron Williams.
A new beginning. LETS GO NETS!
These things happen all the time...
It might not of been that many G.M’s didn’t like Brooks, they might of just like someone better.
Plus teams some teams might of been drafting for need instead of BPA..
The month leading up to the draft some pundits predicted that after the first picks 1-14 or so, the rest of the draft was a crap shoot, player #25 might be just as good or better then player 15…
Whatever the reasons I’m glad we got Books…
by M I K E on Jun 29, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
he has a rep of being selfish, arrogant
that’s not me talking. that’s been reported in a couple of places. Ryen Russillo called him a “bad kid” on ESPN Radio…without explanation.
You take a kid at #25 or #27, in a bad draft, there is no risk unless you treasure second round picks in 2014.
Selfish ? Arrogant ?
Sounds like he has the intangibles to be a great star in this league…(LOL)
Does he have an arrest record ?
Did he leave school after one year ?
Are there any rumors of drug usage ?
If he’s a “bad kid” who plays hard and wants to win, I will take him on my team 24/7.
by M I K E on Jun 29, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Arrogant? When your the 2nd leading scorer in the NCAA and kill everyone in workouts
you desrve to be a little arrogant. People said the same thing about Kobe when he was drafted. If a players biggest weakness is too much confidence instead of skills then im A.O.K with that. Brooks improved every year in college and I think he has the work ethic to be a very good player.
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 29, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I also think it has to do with team makeup
There are a lot of organization that are young or looking for new direction, many of these teams draft on character and may have shied away from Brooks because he could upset chemistry. Yet another advantage the Nets have with Deron. He is a better pick for a team with clear leadership and direction. With DWill that is the Nets.
Every time I’ve heard him speak, he’s appears to have a good head on his shoulders. Obviously I couldn’t say how he did in his interviews, but I’m really not concerned here. Did the Nets interview him? I know he wouldn’t work out for us, did we get a chance to interview him prior to the draft?
On June 29th, 2001, the New Jersey Nets and the Phoenix Suns agreed to a trade involving Stephon Marbury and Jason Kidd.
On February 23rd, 2011, the New Jersey Nets and the Utah Jazz agreed to a trade involving Devin Harris and Deron Williams.
A new beginning. LETS GO NETS!
Seniors taken in 1st round
- Fredette
- Nolan Smith
- Kenneth Faried
- MarShon Brooks
- JaJuan Johnson
- Norris Cole
- Jimmy Butler
Every senior taken above MarShon was on a team in the Sweet 16 of the NCAA tournament except Faried who played for a small school and came up one game short of that.
In fact, every senior taken in the first round was on a team that won at least one game in the big dance other than Norris Cole. And Cole actually won a game in the NIT.
MarShon didn’t play any post season games other than a game 1 loss to Marquette in the Big East Tournament.
So between being a senior and being on a team with no post season success I don’t find it that surprising he went where he did. Hopefully it’s good for us.
Odd
it changed the numbers… was supposed to be:
10) Fredette
21) Nolan Smith
22) Kenneth Faried
25) MarShon Brooks
27) JaJuan Johnson
28) Norris Cole
30) Jimmy Butler
I can tell you this...
I was told in May by two different insiders that 1) they thought Brooks had as much upside as anyone in the draft (except possibly for Tyler) and 2) they thought Bogdanovic was a first round talent.
So when they say they liked these guys and targeted these guys, they aint tossing the brown stuff around the barnyard.
Given there physical tools
Marshon should have been taken ahead of Kemba and Jimmer.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
here's what Chad Ford said about Brooks day after draft.
I transcribed it from his pod cast with Ryen Russillo…
Tim Grover, who was training MarShon Brooks, who was Kobe Bryant’s trainer and Michael Jordan’s trainer and Dywane Wade’s trainer… Watching him work out, I come up because I’m intrigued by some of the stuff he’s doing in a workout. I come up to Tim. He’s smiling at me. He says, "who’s he remind you of?’ I’m sort of thinking, I’ll be honest, I’m sort of thinking he reminds me just a little bit of Kobe and before I can say anything, he says to me, ’He’s a little bit like Kobe’. He didn’t say he’s a ‘lot like Kobe’ or ‘he is Kobe’. He didn’t say he was Kobe. If he was a lot like Kobe, he would have been a top 10 pick and if we thought he was going to be Kobe, he’d be No. 1, so far ahead of Kyrie Irving, it wouldn’t matter.
But I’ll say this, I’m going to break my own rule about whether workouts matter, and things like that. I saw him go two on two with Chris Singleton. I saw him going with JaJuan Johnson, I saw him going with Enes Kanter in that Hoops Gym. I’ve seen a lot of guys over the year go into that gym, a lot of pro’s, a lot of Hall of Famers playing in that gym. That kid was killing everybody, including Chris Singleton. He can play. Whether his head’s on straight, I don’t know. I didn’t go do the background check. I heard some of the same stuff. Whether he’s going ot be able to adjust to a team or whatever. All those things are legitimate question marks, but at 27, what’s the risk in a bad draft?
"Control yourself Mike, calm down"
That kid was killing everybody, including Chris Singleton. He can play.
i heard that before about Jet
A while ago those analists where talkiing the same thing about Terry his a combo like’s to have ball in his hands etc turned out good player hope Brooks can devalop a lot faster
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jun 29, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
We have so much potential for this season
I am so excited, my blood hurts.
Brook-Brooks-Brookyln
LET'S DO THIS!
Not yet...sorry
Until the Nets make another couple of moves to acquire veteran talent, there’s not much to look forward too besides watching a full season of Deron Williams.
Let’s see the Nets get some guys like AK47 and Nene before we start getting all giddy.
by ZR on Jun 29, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
With much respect,ZR...
You must be smoking crizack,Because Marswags,and J-Wizzle will give us some nice looks at some young talent,and Thanks to having Deron here,They might be better than expected, as long as Avery doesn’t mess it up,and allows these young guys room to grow,anything is more promising and better than a Travesty,Graham crackles, and a “Low on Petro” to mention a few,"Let’s Go Nets!!
by Wicked dee on Jun 29, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
J-Wizzle...Fo' Shizzle
"The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven"
by aunt-B on Jun 29, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm a very positive Nets fan and I'm very excited to see the Nets play
But let’s get real here. Deron and Brook are great – no question. But, with the current roster, the Nets aren’t built for much. They’ll be knocked out in the first round, second round ideally.
Brooks and Williams are rookies, both selected at the end of the first round and early second round respectively. If they were, Top 5 picks, I’d be more excited. Williams probably won’t get much playing time the 1st half of the season and Brooks is a backup SG. I can’t really stand up and jump for joy about those guys. While both could be solid rotation players, I’m not sure how immediate of an impact they will have. If Brooks was so good, why was he not taken earlier? And why was it that he only rose up the boards after workouts? Brooks is one-dimensional right now, and let’s just hope that he doesn’t have the mentality that CDR has/had.
You want to get me stand up and go crazy? Acquire some much needed veteran talent and maybe then the Nets will reach the potential you seem to have the Nets at.
The Nets need guys like Nene and AK47 for me to really feel that they have “potential”.
This is the problem with Net fans sometimes. Expectations that are way too high only for you to be immensely disappointed when they don’t produce.
Let me get this straight: I want the Nets to win a championship. Period. But Marshon Brooks and Jordan Williams are not going to excite me enough to believe that this team is that much better with them on it. Get me a few new starters with NBA experience and then come back to me.
by ZR on Jun 29, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Marshon and J-Will are building blocks
Billy King did a good job of addressing our 3 biggest needs in the draft in SG, SF, and PF. This is just the first step. With a healthy D-will and hopefully a stronger Lopez, this team should compete for 35 – 40 wins. Now that’s a projection without any free agent signings. If King gets AK-47 and Nene, we could easily be a 45 – 50 win team.
D-Will > Carmela
by Gdepp94 on Jun 29, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm aware of that...but they're minor building blocks as of now
Major building blocks would be adding guys like AK47 and Nene. The Nets need starters, as they have some good role players already on the roster like Farmar, Morrow, Hump and James.
I want the Nets to compete for a championship and those draft picks do little for me right now. I want a big time FA or big time trade, whether it’s Howard, AK47, I don’t care. Don’t try to sell me on Marshon Brooks is going to change the Nets because it’s implausible right now.
Don’t get me wrong, I think King did a great job. And Bojan could end up being the best pick of this draft for the Nets. And I think the Nets could even win more than 50 games if they added Nene and AK47. But until I see those moves actually accomplished, I’m not going to go crazy over this current roster.
by ZR on Jun 29, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Cant understand this Josh and Nene talks
Listen not going to critisize Nene and Josh saying they trash but there’s a reason why they not getting much respect in the league like Aldridge, Amare, Z BO my point is either one can turn out to be a Elton Brand yes and B King gave him all that cake and what happen Nets need to make a trade for perimeter players like Iggy , Gay or RJ someone who can put 15p 8b 5 as and create his own shot
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jun 29, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
A dominant SF or a legitimate PF will be a big piece for the Nets
Nene would make the Nets instant contenders simply due to the matchup nightmare it would present for a team like Miami. That team, with only Bosh on the interior, can’t stop the Nets big men. No chance.
Add AK47, a very good perimeter defender, to play against LeBron or Wade, Nets are in excellent shape. Morrow gives some away defensively against a guy like Wade, but he will force Wade to exert energy on the defense end because of his perimeter.
If the Nets want a championship, they need to figure out how to beat Miami and Chicago. Those are the only two real threats in the future.
by ZR on Jun 29, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Just saying that Elton should've brought Phili to the promise land and what happen
Nene same injury prone just like him who would recuire big buks in my books no thank you with Hump on board his26 and ragit game to compliment B LO i rather take that, and who said tyson absolutly going to be in Dallas for the next seasons i would take him over Josh and Nene in that case
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jun 29, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Please try to make sentences and not free associate...that was almost impossible to read
I doubt Chandler’s going anywhere now, and he comes with similar injury concerns. Smith is going to be difficult to pry because of the lack of Net assets.
I’d ideally like Hump to backup Nene if he’d be willing to take a little less.
by ZR on Jun 29, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
They just held the draft
which was universally thought to be a very weak draft and by all analysis it seems as if the Nets have maximized their low draft picks. THAT is cause for celebration. Whether or not the Nets need Vets or whatever is irrelevant since no one even knows when free agency will begin. At this point, all we have to evaluate the Nets on is the current roster and the draft picks just selected. You can choose to cross your arms and pout and say that ain’t good enough, but as of right now, thats reality.
I'm not pouting you moron
This was all in response to the original poster who wrote is blood is hurting because he’s so excited after getting some value in a weak draft.
Did you actually read what I wrote? And how is not adding veterans irrelevant? I believe we as fans should really be happy when we get the big pieces, not overreacting like the OP where his blood is about to burst over small rotation pieces. These guys haven’t even stepped on the floor!
I’m evaluating what we have as I wrote now a few times and telling you that just because the Nets got a few picks doesn’t show the Nets are oozing with potential to make a championship run. I think that’s pretty clear here.
Reality is that the Nets are not yet a championship contender. If Proky’s goal is to get a championship and it’s been reiterated this afternoon, then we as fans should expect to get pieces that lead to a championship. Brooks, while a potentially solid rotation player, is not going to take the Nets over the top. Thus, I’m pleased but not so excited my blood is about to burst like the OP.
by ZR on Jun 29, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Irrelevant at this time
Right now dumping a bucket of water on someone because you think the team needs veterans and whatever is stupid because there is no way to add ANYONE at this point considering the CBA negotiations. No one said they’re going to win a championship as constructed. But there’s no reason people can’t be excited the Nets got two potentially high-1st round caliber talent considering where they drafted.
by chakrabs on Jun 29, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So adding veterans right now is irrelevant because of the CBA? Tell that to BK and I can guarantee he disagrees with you
It’s called planning, but maybe foresight is a little beyond you. There ALWAYS has to be multiple plans in place, regardless of a new CBA. The targets are the same regardless of available cap. BK needs to convene with D-Will to go over what veterans he wants. D-Will has stated MULTIPLE TIMES he wants veterans – but I guess that’s irrelevant.
Yes or no: will the combination of MarShon Brooks, Jordan Williams and Bojan Bogdanovic convince D-Will to stay?
And High-1st round caliber talent where they were drafted? This is the problem with Net fans…expectations that are WAY too high. Please, this is a joke.
by ZR on Jun 29, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Brooks is a good pick
Let’s look at thornton he wasn’t even in a first round and came up ready NBA ready so let give boy some time and judge from there if he’s not top ten pick it dont mean nothing
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jun 29, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, your horrific grammar kills your credibility IMO
I may have some typos here and there, but at least I can formulate sentences.
by ZR on Jun 29, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol, I'm a"Hip-Hop" Hillbilly from way back...
"The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven"
About 20 times
Have you tweeted him yet Jerry?
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
That is a compillation of videos that were shown. Marshon liked it and just retweeted the video.
I sent both Marshon and JWill some introductory information like a video of Proky Jet Skiing and the photo of Outlaw being arrested by DWill and Brook (they have been warned!)
Brooks needs to be careful not to get the habits of CDR and TWill.
JWill already has a great attitude.
you are very important jerry
if you do not show him these things his career could be in danger.
love thy underdog
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Jun 29, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Marshon could be a taller version of Monte Ellis, if he improves his outside shooting.
Wish there was a summer league to impress DWill.
The Nets got the best grade in the Atlantic? I guess the Knicks great draft with Iman Shrimpfest wasn’t so amazing after all.
Dwill/?/Josh Smith/Humphries/Superman
2012 NBA Champions
The biggest 14 year old Nets fan on the planet.
All 3 reviewers on the NBATV Eastern conference review show cited Knicks for bad draft.
DA was the least unfavorable of the Three on that show.
cant understand NYK at all
They gave up on Brewer 3 mill contract and drafted basicly same player dum organization Walsh was best thing that happend to them since Van Gundy
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jun 29, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish they televised Nets practices.
Watching Brooks and Graham battle it out for the SG spot would be EPIC.
Don't muddy my celebration.
by Dr. Goodtimes on Jun 29, 2011 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Nice work Billy !
With the #25 New Jersey selected shooting guard Marshon Brooks, who posted a PAWS/40 of 12.07. With the #36, the Nets picked Maryland centre Jordan Williams, who posted a PAWS/40 of 12.65. Both players are excellent prospects, and both play positions that the Nets need to improve.
Who cares about the Knicks? (On here at least)
I’m just glad the Nets took a chance on Marshon. We won’t know what his ceiling is until we see him out there on the court with real NBA players, but he can score. Shooting is a pretty good skill but it is the role of a specialist. The guy who can score is going to get the minutes, and so I think Marshon is going to have a chance to win the starting job right away.
The question that will be answered with Marshon soon is, can he score against NBA players? In his fourth season he has looked great against collegians but the NBA game is much stronger and more physical.
Jordan Williams will probably have the same problems but I don’t see him being a bad player. Remember Josh Boone? (of course you do) He was a good collegian but in the NBA everything was way too quick for him. He put up some stats but he didn’t ever really affect the game. That’s what happens to most of these players.
I’m hoping for the best but we also can’t get our hopes up with late round picks. Marshon is the kind of player I am going to root for no matter what but I don’t want to saddle him with being some kind of savior on offense. He is going to have to learn to play the NBA game just like he learned to dominate the college game.
No love for J-Will ?
(Jordan)Williams has improved his body greatly since the end of Maryland’s season, continuing a three-year trend where he’s gone from a puffy high school senior in Connecticut to a cut-up 247 pounds at the Chicago camp. At any weight, Williams has always been able to rebound.
Late round picks don't mean failure!!
Because these guys were picked up #25.#36, does not mean we should have low hopes for them, I think that MarSwags,And J -Wizzle will flourish under The Ninja, as long as Avery does not mess it up, and allow these young cats room to grow!!!
by Wicked dee on Jun 29, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Although I am optimistic....
The true grades on this draft wont be known for a couple of years. Let the kids play 1st.
D Will in 2011...BK in 2012....
by O Dog on Jun 29, 2011 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
You sound like a future interim GM
:)
It's All New ... decade. It's 20*1.
New Owner, New Front Office, New Coach, New Arena, New City, New Players ... NEW POINT GUARD! New DREAMS.
It's a cycle.
by faNETicS on Jun 29, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I might be old school...
but one of my favorite things about basketball is watching the young rookies come up every season and rooting for them, win, lose or draw…
I golf clapped for the Marshon Brooks deal...
And with Jordan Williams, adds some nice firepower for DWill to work with. Cheers.
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jun 29, 2011 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Hey little orphan Bullet's fan...
Why don’t you adopt the Brooklyn Nets ?
Lets turn this guy’s post green and welcome him aboard.
hey a bullets fan
so since rasheed, webber, howard
wall, vessley, mcgee must be the most interesting lineup in DC excluding the jordan/stack/rip because its jordan
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 29, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Utah Jazz picked up option on CJ Miles
"This isn’t fantasy or rotisserie basketball. Why would Denver want Outlaw? Would you?"
Not sure what you mean exactly , but it sounds kinky.
"This isn’t fantasy or rotisserie basketball. Why would Denver want Outlaw? Would you?"
by strange-brew on Jun 29, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Draft Assessment
Diagnosis: Excellent work by BK with so little to work with
Prognosis: Strong contributions from rookies for the upcoming season
Plan: Keep stockpiling talent BK while you contemplate next big move.
The question for Nets fans: With all the hype and good draft grades the Nets have gotte, what if Atlanta comes knocking with some JSmoove talk for these guys.
Hmmm….need to run more tests
by Dr. Kevin MD on Jun 29, 2011 5:01 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Would love to see video of
the Santa Barbara scrimmages. I wonder what the teams look like.
Would like to see:
Dwill, Morrow, Outlaw and Brook vs. Farmar, Brooks, James, and JWill
I would imagine -
D.Will kills Farmar
Brooks kills Morrow
James kills Outlaw so bad Avery has to step in and battle the bigger James
Lopez advantage over J.Will
"This isn’t fantasy or rotisserie basketball. Why would Denver want Outlaw? Would you?"
by strange-brew on Jun 29, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
DWill just had some serious surgery about 10 weeks ago.
Impressive that he is 100% already.
D-will
Getting to see Brooks up close will only help our cause for resigning him.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Pretty sure Deron said he doesn’t follow college ball closely enough to give input on the draft. Could be remembering that wrong
On June 29th, 2001, the New Jersey Nets and the Phoenix Suns agreed to a trade involving Stephon Marbury and Jason Kidd.
On February 23rd, 2011, the New Jersey Nets and the Utah Jazz agreed to a trade involving Devin Harris and Deron Williams.
A new beginning. LETS GO NETS!
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/EXPECT-KING-NETS-TO-WHEEL-AND-DEAL-74112388
On June 29th, 2001, the New Jersey Nets and the Phoenix Suns agreed to a trade involving Stephon Marbury and Jason Kidd.
On February 23rd, 2011, the New Jersey Nets and the Utah Jazz agreed to a trade involving Devin Harris and Deron Williams.
A new beginning. LETS GO NETS!
Very interesting...2 cents.
But if the Nets make any trades by tonight to acquire veteran players, Williams likely will have given his two cents. He and general manager Billy King speak frequently, and everything the team does with its roster is to improve its playoff chances — and to keep Williams as the face of the franchise.
I know it says veteran players...
but somehow I believe Deron knew and knows who Marshon Brooks is…
Deron’s whole life revolves around basketball !
i think D Will would rather have Mile on board than Brooks
i’m not saying Brooks is trade object or else but the only thing i can see him being is another Thornton which would be nice , trade Morrow and Farmar dont give Vujicic shoot sign Hump on cheap he wont have no other option Kardashian wont go to Clevland or Indiana just saying
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jun 29, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Did anyone see this
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/news/story?id=6715519
New Jersey Nets
Seven players under contract: Jordan Farmar, Damion James, Brook Lopez, Anthony Morrow, Travis Outlaw, Johan Petro and Deron Williams
Total Payroll: $39.81 million
1 Waived Player: Stephen Graham
Total: $100,000
1 First-Round Cap Hold: Marshon Brooks (No. 25)
Total: $954,000
4 Minimum Roster Charges
Total: $1,960,720
Estimated Cap Room: $16.09 million
Notes: Stephen Graham only has a partial guarantee for 2011-12 and is expected to be waived, so his minimum contract doesn’t become fully guaranteed. Sundiata Gaines is currently under contract for next season, however his minimum salary is not guaranteed and he, under this scenario, will be waived to give the Nets a little more cap room. For now he will be listed as a renounced free agent. The Nets are expected to re-sign Kris Humphries, but the Nets will need to renounce his $6.4 million cap hold to have the $16.09 million cap room. Their cap room will be reduced if and when Humphries signs his new contract. Long term, it’s obviously all about whether they can keep Williams around.
Lopez, Petro
No PF (JWill is a 2nd round pick=non guaranteed contract)
D James, Outlaw
Brooks, Morrow
DWill, Farmar
This is what we are commited to next year. $16 mil to find a PF and SF
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 29, 2011 5:51 PM EDT reply actions
Looks like
they are adding in rookies and minimum roster cap holds.
That's why you should read the article....
and the part about
The new CBA is bound to have new rules moving forward and will partly determine who will have the most salary cap room. But for now, we’ll use the old rules, meaning the same salary cap number ($58,044,000) for 2011-12 that was used for 2010-11.
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 30, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
The 1st thing we need to do is resign Hump. Then sign AK47 to be the Backup PF/SF and sign Prince to be the starting SF and to swing down to SG occasionly to guard SG’s
Lopez, Petro
Hump, AK47, J Will
Prince(SF/SG), D James, Outlaw(SF/PF)
Brooks, Morrow
DWill, Farmar
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 29, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
No way...you sign AK47, you have to start him
Brooks should not be starting, period.
Ideally:
Lopez/Petro
Nene/Hump/Williams
AK47/James/Outlaw
Morrow/Brooks
Williams/Farmar/Gaines
by ZR on Jun 29, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Brooks is starting ZR. He isnt some teenager like Favors.
He is a 22 year old rookie. Only a year younger then Brook Lopez. Plus he is a very polished offensive player who puts in the work to get better. Im not just saying this because we drafted him. Ive been raving about this kid for over a month. I think he has a good chance of winning rookie of the year considering
Irving has to split minites with Davis and Sessions
Williams has to split time with Beasley, Love, and Randoplh
Kanter has to split time with Favors, Milsap and Jefferson
B Knight has to split time with Gordon, Stuckey, Bynum and Hamilton
K Thompson has to split time with Ellis, Curry, R Williams, C Jenkins
Fredette has to share shots with Evans, Thornton, Cousins, Salmons
J Hamilton has to share time with Gallo, Chandler, Afflalo
I would put Kemba as the favorite to win ROY. Then Irving and Brooks 3rd right now. Brooks brings a dimension to the team that we dont have and thats an ability to get to the rim. He is going to get alot of minutes as well as a ton of shots.
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 30, 2011 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't care if YOU rave about him...he still has to earn his spot
Morrow is a veteran and was very good last year, he’s going to have to beat him out.
Please, your argument is poor.
by ZR on Jun 30, 2011 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t know if this has been posted already, and I missed it, but this is pretty interesting. Anthony Morrow was Brooks basketball camp counselor, and now they’ll be competing for the starting job…
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/new-jersey-nets/post/_/id/1860/brooks-ready-to-make-mark-with-nets
On June 29th, 2001, the New Jersey Nets and the Phoenix Suns agreed to a trade involving Stephon Marbury and Jason Kidd.
On February 23rd, 2011, the New Jersey Nets and the Utah Jazz agreed to a trade involving Devin Harris and Deron Williams.
A new beginning. LETS GO NETS!
Ric bucher on Dwight
BUCHER: I argued this earlier in the year and I believe it still holds true: If Howard is going to leave Orlando, the New Jersey Nets are the best team for him to join because he can put an indelible stamp on that franchise simply by:
A. Choosing them over gaudier destinations and,
B. Winning a single championship.
(I’m only considering teams in which I know he’s interested, thereby eliminating the Bulls and Celtics and Thunder. The choices are the Nets, Knicks, Mavericks and Lakers.) Going to the Mavericks now is a bit like LeBron going to the Miami Heat — no matter what he does, he’ll be viewed as a bandwagon jumper of sorts. Going to the Lakers means winning, minimum, three titles to stand among the franchise’s previous great big men, the Shaquille O’Neals and Kareem Abdul-Jabbars, and I don’t see Kobe Bryant lasting long enough to pull that off. And without Kobe, there is no championship-caliber closer in purple and gold. If Howard went to the Knicks, Amare Stoudemire or Carmelo Anthony would have to go to Orlando. Amare-Dwight is a bad fit, and while from a basketball standpoint Melo-DH could work, I don’t see a leader. Dwight can have the limelight in New Jersey and be the court jester when it strikes him while Deron Williams sets the pace and provides the proper attitude.
by power_njerz on Jun 29, 2011 6:06 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Everything Ric said is 100% Grade A truth.
He just needs 1 championship in Brooklyn. Much less pressure. It Nets don’t go past 2nd round in 1st year, the Nets fans wouldn’t be upset with him or team.
And DWill is the best teammate for him.
Ric didn't say that it is Orlando's decision, not Dwight's.
Dwight would have to refuse to sign an extension with any other team but Nets.
Not ever Melo was willing to say that (for Knicks), contrary to what Chris Sheridan wanted people to believe.
If only Nets had listened to me and made Brook Lopez bust his chops this summer, he might become more desirable to Orlando.
I think a team with Deron Williams and Dwight Howard as the core
can win multiple championships. But as Nets fans, we have been through enough disappointment (specifically the last few years) and I think it is safe to say a bunch of us would be content with just one championship. At least I think I would.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Jun 29, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
A Core of Deron & Dwight would be great
But I’m not getting my hopes up about anything until the lockout is over & the new CBA is signed. Especially since owners are trying to make it so they can keep their own free agents. Which is great for us regarding Deron but…
Looking the link up
the only result is discussion of the article on CelticsBlog forums. They call him an idiot and the least informed of ESPN’s “insiders.” Apparently, one of the posters claims he was told that execs don’t like him because he has come up with random rumors.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Jun 29, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
OF COURSE
You don’t think LeBron is kicking himself for not going to Jersey? He could have been the MAN in New York with a solid team in Lopez, Dwill, and himself, and they STILL possibly could have added Dwight to round out a monster team. Instead he plays second fiddle in Miami in a talented but badly constructed team.
Man another Melodrama
i hope B king got contract for Lopez already because with all this D 12 talks i think he’s feeling like D Harris right now dont get me wrong i’ll do the trade for him in a heart beat but i would rahter see him coming as a free agent than trade reasons why: 1-B LO and D12 with D WILL unstopable force lakers where doing it for some time. 2-No Nene or Josh very good chance they turn out to be another Elton with cap space loaded. 3-Still got pieces to make a trade for Iggy, 76s need to give Young and Williams some cake we can take that contract.
i know it’s a lot of cap space etc but who said there’s going to be a hard cap for sure I think it’s probably flexable cap with restrictions.
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jun 29, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Really looking forward to Swag's and Jwizzle's rookie season.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Brooks gets ROY if he gets the minutes.
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
Bojan is the player that will make the largest impact in the future IMO
He’s immensely talented.
by ZR on Jun 29, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
what Broussard said was comical
Dwigh Howard
I believe Dwight and Amare could play together, and thus, I say New York would be the best place for Dwight to settle if winning multiple rings is his priority. Amare plays much of his game around the elbows, so he would leave the block to Dwight. You can make a very strong argument that a Knicks Big Three of Dwight, Carmelo and Amare would be better than the vaunted trio down on South Beach. While I love Deron Williams, I believe Dwight would have a better chance to win rings with this crew in New York than with D-Will in Jersey/Brooklyn, where no Big Three exists. And while one ring in Brooklyn would perhaps be worth two in L.A., the same holds true for one ring in New York — even more so.
While winning with a fledging franchise in Brooklyn would indeed be special, winning the legendary Knicks their first ring in roughly 40 years would be even bigger. Patrick Ewing was never able to win in New York, so if Dwight led the Knicks to a win — let alone multiple titles — he would be humongous. You know as well as I that everything in New York is magnified, the good and the bad. I agree with you that Kobe may not have enough left in the tank to help Dwight win multiple rings. But even as Amare’s knees give way in a few years, Melo’s going to be going strong for many more years. That’s enough to make New York the right landing place.
I’m sure a trade centered around Toney Douglas and Landry Fields would make the Magic happy
Chris Paul
Like you said, since there’s no official wish list for CP3 we’ll leave the field open. So I say New Orleans should trade him to OKC for Russell Westbrook. Chris may want a bigger market, but he did really enjoy his time in OKC when Katrina forced the Hornets to move there temporarily. With Kevin Durant and James Harden to dish to, Paul would wreak havoc on the West as well as the league. He’d also turn Serge Ibaka into an alley-oop beast, not to mention get Kendrick Perkins several easy buckets a game. In OKC, he wouldn’t have to worry about Amare’s aching knees, and last year CP3 attempted just 11 shots a game, so there’d be no more ignoring KD in the waning moments. It’s a match made in heaven — if winning (and not locale) is what matters most. I must say this: I could have picked Orlando, which would be a swell destination with Dwight, but the Magic don’t have a realistic trade scenario that works so I nixed it.
D-Will
Well, if Deron can get Dwight to come to Jersey/Brooklyn, of course he stays. But if he forces a trade, Orlando — while a lovely prospect with Dwight — just isn’t realistic. There are several other places that make sense. How about Atlanta for Joe Smith (then the Hawks re-sign Jamal Crawford)? Or Memphis for Mike Conley and Rudy Gay? Portland would be a good fit, too. But I’d really love to see D-Will in Clippers gear with Blake Griffin. While I love Eric Gordon, I’d send him and Mo Williams packing for Deron. Or maybe DeAndre Jordan and Mo for D-Will. Deron, Blake and Gordon?
Now that’s a Big Three.
The Nets can’t get a better package than DeAndre Jordan (A back-up center when they still have Lopez) and Mo Williams? I find that hard to believe
D-WILL>Mela
Everything except these things were said by Broussard
I’m sure a trade centered around Toney Douglas and Landry Fields would make the Magic happy
The Nets can’t get a better package than DeAndre Jordan (A back-up center when they still have Lopez) and Mo Williams? I find that hard to believe
D-WILL>Mela
His argument is totally squashed by the Dallas Mavericks.
You don’t need a Big 3 to win.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Jun 29, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
then where do I signup making a living repeating "brown stuff".....
at least I’ll use netsdaily as a source dealing w/ topics pertaining the Nets
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
"We'll be the first really global team in the NBA. For me, being the first foreign owner, I want to do my best to invite all the fans for the team all over the world. I think the NBA is worldwide. But other teams [possess a] more local mentality. We are going to create and to build a global franchise to sell all around the world. I think I have a competitive advantage compared to other owners." - Mikhail Prokhorov
by Kidd2Petrovic on Jun 29, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Much obliged,dialing as we speak
Sounds like Stephen A. on the other end tho…
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
"We'll be the first really global team in the NBA. For me, being the first foreign owner, I want to do my best to invite all the fans for the team all over the world. I think the NBA is worldwide. But other teams [possess a] more local mentality. We are going to create and to build a global franchise to sell all around the world. I think I have a competitive advantage compared to other owners." - Mikhail Prokhorov
by Kidd2Petrovic on Jun 29, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris Broussard
Is a decent NBA reporter, unfortunately afflicted with the disease Gardenitis.
Symptoms of Gardenitis include:
1) believing that MSG is NY’s gift to basketball
2) believing that the salary cap doesn’t apply to the Knicks
3) often using the word Mecca, and usually inserting duh before it
4) random acts of Broutardedness
by Dr. Kevin MD on Jun 29, 2011 7:46 PM EDT reply actions 11 recs
First two comments on NetsDaily and they turn green...
And they are really good…
A star is born !
Hope you stick around Kevin…
That's Doctor Kevin to you, sir!
http://otrbasketball.com/forums
www.youtube.com/TheBronxBrooklyn
Yankees-Nets-Broncos
Green? What green?, I'm color blind!
JK, thx
by Dr. Kevin MD on Jun 29, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I was just kidding Jerry
Long time NetsDaily follower.
If I remember right, you had a car accident. If i am, hope you have recovered well.
My data also shows that you are an avid fan of tweeting the athletes and encouraging others to tweet along.
Keep up the strong work!
by Dr. Kevin MD on Jun 30, 2011 6:33 AM EDT up reply actions
The "green" thing is fairly new, at least I didn't know how it worked until recently.
No car accident. Must be someone else. My wife is an alternative medicine physician.
The tweeting the athletes is highly exaggerated, mostly by people who didn’t like Carmelo Anthony.
I do “follow” Nets related Twitter accounts, but most tweets are to writers.
I am not worried at all with Proky in charge
Dump 15 mil cash up front on Nene (an offer he cant refuse) 2nd yr of contract 12 mil
5 mil for Prince or AK
by DJ HeavyDuty on Jun 29, 2011 8:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That photo's not doctored!
Mikhail has been getting stem cell treatment and nutritional reccomendations from A-rod’s cousin, that’s all!
by Dr. Kevin MD on Jun 30, 2011 6:36 AM EDT up reply actions
All this D12 talks going to hunt Nets all season till February
Anyone here think that Nets should wait for D12 come in free agency?
i hope so but dont belive that at all simple facts are nobady wants to be Cavs let’s look at Den and Utah they got theirs and got some players to build around. D12 going to be a headake for a while…..
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Jun 29, 2011 8:51 PM EDT reply actions
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