Billy King's Master Trade
It's unlikely (we think) that Billy King and Bobby Marks will make any last minute trades before the lockout. So, with his first anniversary as general manager rapidly approaching (July 14), we thought it might be interesting to look at his first year's work from a different perspective: just a simple what's been lost, what's been gained.
Call it the "master trade", the summation of the six trades he's turned since joining the team, a couple of free agent signings and the draft. To recount, there was the four team deal last August 11 involving the Nets, Rockets, Pacers and Hornets; the three team last December 15 involving the Nets, Rockets and Lakers; the two deals at the February deadline involving the Nets and Jazz and Nets and Warriors and finally, the two Draft Night deals involving the Nets and Celtics and the Nets and Timberwolves.We've also included his three free agent signings (Stephen Graham, Sundiata Gaines and Mario West) and the Nets second round pick (Jordan Williams).
We've tried to simplify it by dealing with the end product (and not lay out Troy Muprhy's various journeys)
Nets Gain:
Stephen Graham (free agent); Sasha Vujacic (Lakers); 2011 Lakers first round pick, 1-18 protected (Nets > JaJuan Johnson); 2012 Rockets first round pick, 1-14 protected; Deron Williams (Jazz); $1.3 million trade exception; Dan Gadzuric (Warriors); Brandan Wright (Warriors); Sundiata Gaines (free agent); Mario West (free agent); MarShon Brooks (Celtics); Bojan Bogdanovic (Timberwolves); Jordan Williams (draft pick).
Nets Lost:
Courtney Lee (Rockets); Terrence Williams (Rockets); 2011 Warriors second round pick (Lakers > Darius Morris); 2012 Bulls second round pick (Lakers); Devin Harris (Jazz); Derrick Favors (Jazz); 2011 Nets first round pick (Jazz > Enes Kanter); 2012 Warriors first round pick, protected 1-7; Troy Murphy (Warriors, then Celtics); 2012 Nets second round pick; Quinton Ross (waived); JaJuan Johnson (Celtics); 2013 Nets second round pick (Timberwolves); 2014 Nets second round pick (Celtics); at least $5 million in cash considerations.
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king is 6/6 in trades no doubt
hopefully his success continue with free agents
i would like to see us go after
caron butler can play the two or three and defend and has the kind of offense to torch teams whatever is cheaper both can defend and play small ball at the 4
ak/ prince
deandre jordan-would be a great back up to hump and pez
idk if we could afford all this but i would be happy
williams, farmer, yatta
butler,morrow, brooks
ak,james,outlaw,
hump,williams
brook, deandre, petro
sorry didnt mean to put the line through that
by Pure baller15 on Jun 27, 2011 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions
We won't sign another SG unless Morrow is gone.
We didn’t trade up to grab a 3rd string SG.
Drafting a rookie with a lat first round pick doesn't change our need for a starting SG
Yeah, we are not signing a quality SG because we used a future 2nd rd pick to move up a couple of spots late in the first rd… please.
First of all
Why waste a pick if we’re gonna sign a SG? Why not go after Honeycutt or Johnson or Hamilton?
Second of all, it’s pretty obvious the Nets were high on Brooks.
Because no one we could draft with a late first isn't good enough to prevent us from upgrading a position of need
Prior to the draft, King himself said he doesn’t expect the rookies to play significant minutes for us.
typo is--- not isnt
I don’t think we can go into the season with Morrow (whom I don’t consider a starter) and a late 1st rd pick in a week draft at the 2. Now signing a veteran SG makes more sense than ever. I never expected whoever we picked to crack the rotation.
Is that why
King said he is going to compete with Morrow for the starting 2 spot? I agree Morrow is not a starter, he’s a bench player. However, Brooks is no slouch. It’s not like we took a guy just to fill a roster space, aka the Lakers.
We used this pick to help build for the future. BK had him 15th, so really it doesn’t matter how far he fell.
Again, he’s not going to want Brooks to just rot on the bench.
The fact that King had him 15 really concerns me
And what is King supposed to say about the kid jsut after having drafted him? Of course he likes him, but banking on him to have a significant enough of an impact to make signing a veteran SG unnecessary is too risky. If he’s good enough he will find a way into the rotation, King said 4 year college players understand they have to sit and earn being in the rotation. Morrow and James couldn’t stay healthy last year, if Brooks is as as good as someone here think he is he will come through. But we need a SG in the worst way, do you think DWill is OK with that 2 guard rotation, after specifically saying we need vets (King said the same btw)?
You are concerned...
Because you think you are a better drafter than king?
Wow!
by rundmc00 on Jun 27, 2011 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I know what this is about
it has nothing to do with Marshon Brooks
Andres does not like King because he traded terrence williams. Period.
by MrDollarBills on Jun 27, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
LoL, I saw this one coming
You can look for my posts prior to the draft. I repeated SEVERAL times that I didn’t like Brooks at all. But I guess it’s all about TWill.
And I find it extremly funny that you question Thorn and defend King as a drafter, when Rod never EVER passed on a talent like Dirk Nowitkzi or Paul Pierce. Thorn gets crucified for passing on Granger, imagine if he had passed on an MVP Finals caliber player like Dirk or PP. LoL.
Larry Hughes was a higher rated prospect
the revisionist history here is hilarious. You and Dopeness keep it up
by MrDollarBills on Jun 27, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow
and you have the nerve to call me a hypocrite. I wonder if you would be saying the same if it was Thorn who passed on Pierce and Dirk.
I’m sorry buddy, but I’m done.
One last question tho, did you ever talked about Brooks prior to the draft? I did, and I said I didn’t like him at all, several times. Before I knew he was going to end up with us. Did you just start to like him from the moment Billy took him? Just wondering because I can’t remember you commenting about the kid (Brooks) being so good before the draft. I may be wrong.
interesting
http://www.netsdaily.com/2011/5/24/2188068/post-combine-mocks-offer-little-new
read my comments and yours about Brooks. Again this is prior to the draft.
I’ll leave at that.
that's a wonderful comment to cherry pick from
especially since that was before I read up on Brooks since his selection and realized that he was an efficent scorer and has a solid % when having to catch and shoot, which I talked about on here.
The comment showed moreso about my ignorance towards the player than it does being a hypocrite.
I’m giving Brooks the same chance that I had given to T-Will. You aren’t.
by MrDollarBills on Jun 27, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
efficient scorer with some questionable shot selection, I meant
by MrDollarBills on Jun 27, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
and you
are attacking the straw man. I am excited about the kid’s scoring potential but I have said repeatedly that he will have to work hard on defense and will have to show that he’s mature and willing to be coached.
I have no called this kid Kobe Bryant, nor have I even penciled him in as a starter. Get real.
by MrDollarBills on Jun 27, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
love brooks, don't think king is the best drafter.
he has a known history on the sixers (with exception to the last few years) to be a poor drafter also except iverson. but that doesn’t mean we can’t say he hasn’t learned/gotten better. just like a player i believe billy king has improved his decision making. this being said:
we need a sg still, maybe we sign a sg/sf vet to a cheap deal and have him and brooks share time with morrow a 6th man.
Another big...
Is much more important than another sg.
you are tossing this kid under the bus
before he has even had a lick of playing time
It’s funny how you are basically trying to call Brooks a bust while still holding out hopes that Terrence Williams will actual make something out of his NBA career
by MrDollarBills on Jun 27, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
The Nets need a starting SF more so than the SG position
Morrow dramatically improved over the course of this season and I cannot wait to see what he can do next to Deron Williams for a full season.
Supposedly a lot of people had him at 15 to the Pacers...
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Jun 27, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re not looking to sign a starter in terms of a guy who will play 30 mpg, but a guy like a DeShawn Stevenson or a Maurice Evans who can give us something like 15-20 mpg, with a heavy focus on defense.
On June 29th, 2001, the New Jersey Nets and the Phoenix Suns agreed to a trade involving Stephon Marbury and Jason Kidd.
On February 23rd, 2011, the New Jersey Nets and the Utah Jazz agreed to a trade involving Devin Harris and Deron Williams.
A new beginning. LETS GO NETS!
I'd rather sign AK47 than another SG
He provides defense and has played with Deron Williams before. He’s Russian and would add value to the Nets from a marketing perspective. Would add that veteran presence the Nets want.
Why not sign both? Neither would be particularly expensive, I don’t think.
On June 29th, 2001, the New Jersey Nets and the Phoenix Suns agreed to a trade involving Stephon Marbury and Jason Kidd.
On February 23rd, 2011, the New Jersey Nets and the Utah Jazz agreed to a trade involving Devin Harris and Deron Williams.
A new beginning. LETS GO NETS!
by J-Kay on Jun 27, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's plausible
Let’s see what the Nets give Hump and then we’ll know what they’re working with.
hes 3 for 5
and the jury is still out on the d-will trade. if we cant keep him that could go down as the worst trade in nets history.
who really cares about the warriors trade other than the fact that it was a concession that the courtney lee trade was a failure. moreover, it was an epic fail to trade both courtney lee and terrence williams. although if marshon brooks can play it certainly makes up for it.
Even if DWill leaves
That was a good trade for me. That was a trade you had to do. There are only so many times in history that you can get a top caliber NBA player. We have a very decent shot at keeping him. If an opportunity like that presented itself, and your GM who is the GM of sub-20 win team didn’t take it, then I’d think that was incredibly stupid.
I'd say we have better than decent
There’s a very good chance…with the new CBA potentially restricting star salaries, D-Will cannot get more money from any other team than the Nets.
What if the NBA is locked out this season?
Was it still a good trade? Harris+Favors+Kanter+GSW 2012 1st for 12 games of DWill (assuming he leaves)? That is the absolute worst case scenario, but it is at least a remote possibility.
absolute worst case scenario...
would be getting hit by a bus later on today or three future busts…
by M I K E on Jun 27, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Uhhhh no
The jury is still not out. Whether or not Deron leaves you have to make that trade. The outcome of a trade/draft pick is not always indicative of whether or not it was a good choice.
If we go back in time to the Oden Durant draft, I bet you every team would take Oden over Durant. Yes Durant obviously has had much more success and anybody would take him over Oden now, but nobody can blame Portland for picking him. It was not their fault he got hurt.
Kwame Brown was the #1 rated HS player. Was that a bad pick? No, any other team would have done the same.
For example, if you win a contest an the reward is 50 million dollars, would it be a good idea to take it? Your answer is most likely yes. So you get your money and move to a rich neighborhood. A week later your house is robbed and your family has been kidnapped. Are you gonna say it was a bad choice to take the money? No.
Everyone assumes that if DWILL won't resign that we lost all those assets for nothing
but we can trade him at the deadline for a bunch of asssets in return ala Carmelo Anthony.
If Marshon Brooks can play,
Then the Terrence Williams trade is a definite win.
It’s unfortunate that Courtny Lee (aka VC and Ryan Anderson) became Gadzuric and Wright but that was still a good trade at the time. Everyone thought Murph could contribute and legitimately make the Nets better.
The Twill trade was great: Vujacic was better this year and now you have Brooks plus a future pick. Twill’s done nothing, what are you complaining about?
The Dwill trade will always be a win for the Nets because of the instant cred he has brought. You think the media would be so excited about Barclays if Derrick Favors was touring it?! Even if Dwill leaves Brooklyn has been established as an NBA destination. But of course he ain’t going to leave.
by BrooklynNets on Jun 27, 2011 7:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
who really cares about the warriors trade other than the fact that it was a concession that the courtney lee trade was a failure. moreover, it was an epic fail to trade both courtney lee and terrence williams.
+1000000000.
As for the DWill trade, I agree that it would be a disaster if he left, but I’m pretty confident he won’t go anywhere… his options will be limited in 2012. King and Johnson (not that I trust them anyway) would have to really screw up to make that guy leave. Just do what Deron tells you to do. I think we can get it done.
He wanted out so who cares?
He was killing the Nets locker room vibe. Would he have fit here next to D-Will? Yes. But I’m not going to lose sleep over it.
The only piece lost in trades that hurts me in recent years is dumping Ryan Anderson.
epic fail??
this is absolutely ridiculous.
-Courtney Lee did NOT WANT TO BE HERE.
-Terrence Williams is an insubordinate jackass
You tell me how trading a malcontent guard and a headcase that can’t shoot for draft picks is a fail??
Honestly, some of this stuff
by MrDollarBills on Jun 27, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I completely agree with DollarBills
Good riddance to Courtney Lee, he did next to nothing to help that 12-70 team and cried all the way to Houston. I will not miss him. I commend Brook Lopez for not being that way and sticking it out with all the fans and the organization. Like Dan Gilbert said, “We will win an NBA championship before Courtney Lee does.”
Crybaby.
by SteViePoPzBK on Jun 27, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Deandre Jordan won't come here
He is going to start for the Clippers and they want him back. Doubt he would leave a starting job for a backup role.
D.Jordan and Butler , nice!
Add those 2 and I think we can compete.
by Zartan on Jun 27, 2011 9:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I hate that we may have to go thru a whole season with Derons FA dangling over our heads. He needs to sign that deal asap.
Well maybe not a "whole season"!
by BrooklynNets on Jun 27, 2011 7:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, he said he doesn't want it to be a distraction
and that that’s the reason why he’ll consider signing the extension this offseason, but we have to make the right moves for him to sign on the dot line.
Nene hump and starting sf would be a huge heist in fa
But choose your combo of hump sf and big
Butler, hump and Hayes?
Ak, hump and Dalembert?
Nene, hump and Stevenson?
Name your big
Dalembert, nene, Chandler, west, mcroberts, Hayes, Landry.
One of these will be a net next year.
AK, Stevenson, Hump, and Hayes
On June 29th, 2001, the New Jersey Nets and the Phoenix Suns agreed to a trade involving Stephon Marbury and Jason Kidd.
On February 23rd, 2011, the New Jersey Nets and the Utah Jazz agreed to a trade involving Devin Harris and Deron Williams.
A new beginning. LETS GO NETS!
No Stevenson. Headcase that will make poor decisions when we need him to be smart.
But I would loooooooooove me some Nene. Whether he stays side by side with Brook, or ahem— Dwight Howard.
I would actually prefer to trade him for Dwight at the deadline and announce the new twin towers in NYC to ball with DWill. Too good to be true, but they say I’m a dreamer.
by SteViePoPzBK on Jun 27, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
poor decisions on or off the court?
because stevenson does not get in a lot of trouble off the court
and on the court? i guess if you want to call frustrating lebron james and knocking down open threes when d-wade cheats on help defense poor decisions yeah.
who told him to play like an all-world defender and 3 point specialist in the finals?
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 27, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
just something I read recently...not saying he's TWill, but you know, the potential is there.
06/15/11
Win a championship, get arrested: Dallas Mavericks G DeShawn Stevenson was arrested for public intoxication. Celebrating a bit too much? Perhaps, but when the police feel you’re a danger to yourself and others, there are bigger issues at hand.
by SteViePoPzBK on Jun 27, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
oh excuse him for after winning the finals
he got drunk celebrating and was just caught loitering the streets
i’m pretty sure most of dallas was under the influence that night
at least he wasnt driving like braylon edwards or santonio holmes
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 27, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
and yes, he performed very well in the finals, but he's been so-so his entire career.
Personally i much rather go after Marcus Thornton or Shannon Brown. But thats IMO.
by SteViePoPzBK on Jun 27, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
i dont mind thornton
but people overpay for offense in this league
i wouldnt mind thornton and stevenson over morrow/brooks
but stevenson is going to come cheaper because perimeter defenders with so-so offensive game always get paid less. also i wouldnt mind just sticking d-steves at the starting 3
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 27, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Still don't understand why we gave up out 2012 end rnd pick
Just to dump Murphy, pointless. In regards to the warriors 2011 second round pick? We received it in the renegotiation of the of the deal for their first round pick and then gave it back to them and we later traded it to the lakers is that correct?
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
the Nets possi bly 4 picks in next yrs draft
Houson Mia and 2 of their own
by DJ HeavyDuty on Jun 27, 2011 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions
three picks
Their own first rounder, the Rockets first rounder, protected 1-14, and the Heat
second rounder.
I just see no significance to owning 2nd rounders at this point. Prokhorov will have no issue buying more if needed
On June 29th, 2001, the New Jersey Nets and the Phoenix Suns agreed to a trade involving Stephon Marbury and Jason Kidd.
On February 23rd, 2011, the New Jersey Nets and the Utah Jazz agreed to a trade involving Devin Harris and Deron Williams.
A new beginning. LETS GO NETS!
no significance?
Thank god you are not a GM, LOL
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
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DH12 OR BUST!
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Do you honestly believe we can’t basically buy up a 2nd rounder any team we see it a need?
On June 29th, 2001, the New Jersey Nets and the Phoenix Suns agreed to a trade involving Stephon Marbury and Jason Kidd.
On February 23rd, 2011, the New Jersey Nets and the Utah Jazz agreed to a trade involving Devin Harris and Deron Williams.
A new beginning. LETS GO NETS!
Scratch all that, I’m tired, just woke up, not thinking straight. They’re still trade pieces as shown by the deal to move up and grab Brooks.
On June 29th, 2001, the New Jersey Nets and the Phoenix Suns agreed to a trade involving Stephon Marbury and Jason Kidd.
On February 23rd, 2011, the New Jersey Nets and the Utah Jazz agreed to a trade involving Devin Harris and Deron Williams.
A new beginning. LETS GO NETS!
david west
According to hoopshype.com, david west will be opting out to be a FA. He might be worth a look at
by Blkswizz on Jun 27, 2011 7:39 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Cheaper than nene but not athletic
Risky coming off an injury.
This version of BK
is a better a GM this time around. Hopefully, he can keep move the outlaw contract for a better piece and save the cap space for Howard. I don’t think Howard will be moved this off-season. I definitely like what he he is doing!!!!!!
King is smart, good eye for talent and a classy guy.
We got very lucky.
by rundmc00 on Jun 27, 2011 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There is at least one move
he’s working on that we won’t see coming. My question will he trade for Josh Smith or will he sign Thad young?
At this point in time
The Twill trade is a big win. People can argue that he will become a great player in the future but to suggest its a bad trade now is ridiculous. You got a guy who averaged 11 ppg coming off the bench and the second leading scorer in the NCAA (and still have another pick coming) for someone who couldn’t get off the bench in Houston after being a jerk here. If TWill meets his fans’ expectations, then we can have a debate. As of now, there is no debate.
Courtney Lee for Troy Murphy was about Lee never wanting to play here and getting a big expiring deal. By dumping Murphy, the Nets got a chance to see what Hump could do right away. And let’s not forget what Murphy did in Boston (nothing) or his bad back.
by Net Income on Jun 27, 2011 8:19 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
twill was the most talented sf we had last year
the coach gave up on him plain and simple. you say he didnt get off the bench well that coach just got canned in part for not developing young players. then again you will argue outlaws contract isnt terrible.
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Jun 27, 2011 9:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Can't blame the entire thing on Avery.
Avery was expecting TWill to be 6th man of the year, or at least one of the top 6th men, but Terrence wasn’t impressing.
Terrence made some bad decisions on the court at times, and we know he made some bad ones off the court (Net Income knows about some stuff too).
What does Outlaw have to do with Twill?
I don’t agree with NI most of the time, but his previous analysis was 100% correct. Sasha+Brooks+future pick >Twill and dinosaur smith. Until twill proves that he can play at a high level, there’s no reason for this discussion. Ive always liked Twill’s potential, but he doesnt have “it” to become a good player.
Time will tell.
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
T-Will has a lot of talent
and zero brains or drive to make himself better
you cannot sit here after I watched Williams shy away from contact, turn the ball over trying to make some kind of highlight pass, or settle for jumpshots that he cannot hit and tell me that this kid was playing great. He wasn’t.
by MrDollarBills on Jun 27, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The coach gave up on him because he gave up on himself and the team
His actions were inexcusable…period. It’s about building chemistry and creating a winning environment. TWill did nothing to help in that regard.
I love TWill because I think he has a ton of potential, but he’ll be out of the league soon if he doesn’t get his act together.
No, it is not that plain and simple.
We have not been told fully about what happend with him.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Jun 27, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
all of this whining about Terrence Williams and Courtney Lee, two players that really aren’t worth a damn, is LAUGHABLE
by MrDollarBills on Jun 27, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
i don't see how these trades can be called masterful
the nets gave up almost all of their assets in these trades.
The first round picks he got from the TWILL trade is still up for judgement.
His troy Muphry trade brought back 2 garbage players.
You can’t call someone a master of trades if he only has 1 trade t(Deron Williams) that matters.
But seriously, did the nets really have to give up that golden state pick for Dwill? i don’t think so, but we’ll see.
But judgement is already out on T-Will (He's a lazy bum) so that trade is a win!
by jirohkanzaki on Jun 27, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
by far that trade was a win
but not the courtney lee for muprhy for nothing trade or the GS pick King threw in..when he prob could’ve gotten the deal done without it…IMO
Twill could not break the houston rotation...
He will likely be another Sean Williams…talented but out of the league.
You are questioning the dwil trade over the gs pick?
Losing Courtney Lee is the only BK move I didn't like...
Also, we could’ve gotten a stretch 4 (Justin Harper) with the 31st pick (proof this was the better move: Magic moved quickly to nab him and try to put him alongside Dwight Howard and give Howard to operate inside)
Yes, if the Nets ARE tagetting Howard which I think every team is....
by jirohkanzaki on Jun 27, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
So we should sign Turk and rich too
Why not… The magic did it.
That question is so stupid I refuse to waste my time on it...
by jirohkanzaki on Jun 27, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s your exact logic. The Magic were wrong about Turkoglu, they were wrong about Arenas, but we were wrong about Harper because the Magic picked him?
On June 29th, 2001, the New Jersey Nets and the Phoenix Suns agreed to a trade involving Stephon Marbury and Jason Kidd.
On February 23rd, 2011, the New Jersey Nets and the Utah Jazz agreed to a trade involving Devin Harris and Deron Williams.
A new beginning. LETS GO NETS!
The Magic were wrong about Turk when they reached the Finals against the Lakers?
If you read my reply, I said this is assuming we are going after Howard…
who was the other big the Magic had when they got to the Finals?
Rashard Lewis…a stretch 4.
by jirohkanzaki on Jun 27, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
King wanted a big that can rebound...
Therefore, Harper does not qualify.
by rundmc00 on Jun 27, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
We already have Hump what we don't have is a big who can strech the defense...
by jirohkanzaki on Jun 27, 2011 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
We have 0 bigs who can shoot the 3 and drive to the basket...
by jirohkanzaki on Jun 27, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Rebounding is much important
Than s stretch tweener.
by rundmc00 on Jun 27, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
OK look that let's just agree to disagree ok what you're saying has a lot of merit...
J-Will is also a nice insurance to have if Hump walks away…
Jordan Williams and Justin Harper have yet to play so all we’re stating here are opinions…
by jirohkanzaki on Jun 27, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Harper is not bad...
But I think King was going to draft only one big and a banger is more important than a stretch if you are only going to draft one.
Also, AK is a stretch 3/4 who is likely going to be a Net.
Lee did not want to play here
Really, the obsession with Lee on here is dumbfounding
Why would you want to retain a malcontent crybaby?
This dude CRIED LIKE A GIRL because he got traded to the Nets
jesus christ
by MrDollarBills on Jun 27, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Harper fits into the Magic scheme...not the Nets
Do you watch the NBA? The Magic have shooters to surround Dwight, so Harper makes sense. He didn’t really fit the Nets.
You mean if a Net drives to the hoop and an opponent's big leaves a Nets big to help...
you don’t want to punish the other team with a 3?
Or give space to Brook or a slasher because the help defender cannot leave Harper?
This is so simple I don’t know why I have to explain it to you…
by jirohkanzaki on Jun 27, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand what you're saying, but Harper is not needed right now
The Nets need some hard-nosed players, not stretch 4s. The PF position needs a banger…period.
Nets can punish other teams with Morrow and Farmar from three. I’d want my PF available for weakside rebounding.
If the Nets sign Hump or Nene, Brook can stretch out the interior defense because he is an inside/outside threat.
by ZR on Jun 28, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
If you need a rebounder, there's a lot available even in the D-League
there aren’t many stretch 4s…
If you need “weakside rebounding” Hump who is a priority signing will be there…
If a shotblocker continues to leave Hump to block a shot from the weakside, without a stretch 4, you are left with no other options to punish that pest…
Morrow and Farmar are guards so their defenders won’t be be able to contest a shot in midair anyway so their long range shooting are no use in this situation…
by jirohkanzaki on Jun 28, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't care how few stretch 4s there are
If he doesn’t fit the scheme, he doesn’t fit the scheme. It’s just not how Avery runs his offense.
If you were the coach, you could get who you want. But you’re not, so let’s go off the schemes the Nets actually run.
by ZR on Jun 28, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Just what scheme are you talking about here?
“Weakside rebounding?” Really? LOL
by jirohkanzaki on Jun 28, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice Job!
He is a master. Imagine if we lost Melo, which we did, and got nothing! He turned it into DWill who, to me, is a better player, a better fit, a better position, a better attractor of talent. He has to be really skillful this summer (if he gets the chance). West would be amazing. TYoung would be fantastic. AK47 would be good. Worst case: we lose most of the year, but the rookies work and work and contribute when the lockout is over. Best case is the impossible dream: Dwight. I just don’t see it happening. I will miss the summer league, just to see if the rookies can contribute and if Daimon James can take another step.
You can argue that.....
A big rotation of Lopez, Favors, Kanter and Hump plus guards of Harris, Farmar, Morris and Uzoh would be pretty interesting to watch and a solid young team build around a nice group of bigs in a guard oriented league. 50 wins maybe with future upside if you get a scorer or two.
However, this has been about going into Brooklyn large and jumping the line to championship contention. Better 30+ wins for a couple more years and role the dice with superstars. We are halfway home with D-Will.
Get another star (hello Dwight) and King wins regardless of how you score the individual drafts. Fail and this is all about moving the deck chairs around the titanic. It is like Cuban and the Kidd trade. It was only to win a championship (not just Kidd the player, but Kidd the attraction for other talented players). Win a championship and you win the trade….period. Lets hope King is as successful as Cuban.
by Jay-dub on Jun 27, 2011 8:45 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The team without dwil has no leader
And might as well be the twolves.
by rundmc00 on Jun 27, 2011 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That's wrong on a number of levels
Hard to judge all the players based on the situation the Nets franchise put them in. Things got much better with Proky and his investment in the support infrastructure. Things will get even better with Brooklyn. I doubt Courtney Lee (as one example) would have wanted out today like he did two years ago. Leadership would have been found…….and remember our leader blew up the Jazz and forced out a legendary coach….because the situation changed.
And do not underestimate the effort it takes to be as bad as the twolves franchise. This does not just happen. It takes planning and yes…..it takes leadership. Long live KAAAAAAAHHHHHNNN.
Harris is not a winning PG
Unless he is surrounded by veteran leadership like the 06 Mavs.
You can win a championship with Harris
Harris is not a leader – into to much besides basketball I think. But you can definitely win a championship with Harris (by the way Dallas was leaderless in 06 which is the most important reason they brought in Kidd – to take the pressure off Dirk).
But this misses the point I started above. Our option to going after superstars as we head into Brooklyn (which by the way is the right option) was a young team build around bigs in a guard focused league. Could have been very interesting and I think competitive. Would not require a superstar PG.
And for good measure…..DWILL still needs to get to the finals or lead his time to the best record. So far he has had good or very good talent in a stable environment (coaching consistency) and not gotten over the hump. I have faith, but we all know that stats and hype do not equal rings.
Brook could be wasted without a PG like Kidd or DWil to push him...
Also, the Knicks are likely going to get a third star so waiting for young guys to maybe work out would make us truly the Clippers east.
What
Brook who has never played a minute in the NBA is now worthy of a superstar PG? Remind me of the superstar 2 guard from Utah that DWILL made. And what new CBA is going to give NY the room to take on a third star? One that only wants to sit around and watch Amare and Carmelo take shots?
That team is terrible
With no leadership whatsoever. Best bet is to be the Detroit Pistons with that model and I seriously doubt it would work.
Nets are in such a better position now than if they stuck with Favors.
I find it funny that Williams is written off as garbage by some and they assume that he obviously can’t be good if given the minutes. But Brooks, who was a late first round in a bad draft, is great, the next Kobe, etc, and there is no way he turns out to be bad as the position he was drafted at would suggest.
I’m sorry, but that is biased judgment, if you think those of us who defend Williams are basing it on potential or something that has not been proved, then you can’t defend the trade is good because you think Brooks is gonna be great, based on “potential”.
I love it when I read comments like “hey, if Brooks works out, that trade was a win”. Of course that is assuming Williams will not be good. Because if Williams plays as well as at the end of his rookie season there’s nothing Brooks can do to make that trade look good.
Hey, do you think Brooks would make Rockets’ rotation? Williams is the far superior prospect (he was a lottery pick on a stronger draft) and had a better college career (for those bringing up Brooks being the 2nd scorer in college bball). Let’s see if Brooks turns into a TD threat like Williams was during a long stretch of his rookie season. Then we can have a debate.
Hopefully we’ll be able to have a civic discussion about this, if you are going to come with the typical childish comments directed at me when discussing Williams you won’t get an answer from me.
by Andres B on Jun 27, 2011 8:51 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This is a very good point
although I’d note that we have 2 years of experience about what Williams is at the NBA level, while we have no experience about Brooks at the NBA level. So the comparison between Williams and Brooks is not exactly parallel. We have a somewhat better idea about where Williams is going as an NBA player than we do Brooks.
But I completely agree with you that there are a lot of people out there who have a fixed vision of Williams with no room to even conceive that he might be something different.
I agree
So the comparison between Williams and Brooks is not exactly parallel. We have a somewhat better idea about where Williams is going as an NBA player than we do Brooks.
This is obviously true.
This is why I said let’s see if Brooks can have the type of an impact Williams had as a rookie when he finally got his act together and played at a very good level during the last third of the season. Last season was a waste for Williams and of course a lot of Williams’ problems came off the court, at least here with the Nets, with the Rockets he was never given a chance. I mean, it’s not like if he sucked despite given every opportunity and tons of minutes, he played mainly garbage time minutes and appeared in very few games. I mean, there are players like Yi or Outlaw, who have been around for 4 and 8 years respectively, who were given plenty of minutes as Nets and they were awful, and there were/ are people here who thought/ think they could/ can turn it around. well, why can’t I think that Williams can still be good? I think he can be special if he wants to and if he’s given a chance. He still has plenty of time, he’s played just under 100 games as a pro.
Regardless of what happens with TWill, I hope Brooks turns out to be good, because I am a Nets fan, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to change my opinion on him because he was selected by my team, as I stated many times before the draft I never liked him, hopefully the kid will prove me wrong.
I feel like this is the place to ask again. If you don't answer then I'll take the hint.
It seems that you critique players that show signs of selfishness, off-the-court issues, poor decision making, etc very strongly, yet you’re a big fan of Terrence Williams. Obviously, I am also a huge fan as we stand as the de facto defenders for TWill. However, I seem to judge players on a different criteria than you.
Why do you overlook Williams’ issues, yet are unwillingly to do the same for other players with similar problems? Is it because he’s (relatively) young and you think he has a chance to mature and change? Do you find him to be so talented that you’re willing to forgive his mishaps?
Once again, I know you have this thing of ignoring the things I write, but I’d really like to hear the answer to the question because I’m genuinely curious. Trust me, I’m not the only one who’d like to hear the answer. Thanks in advance.
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he's a hypocrite
simple and plain
Everything bad that has happened in Terrence Williams’ life is someone else’s fault, and never Terrence Williams’.
This is how Terrence behaves, and it’s why he was publicly humiliated by the Nets and subsequently glued to the bench in Houston. Total lack of responsibility.
A man that has two children depending on him cannot find it within himself to wake up in time for practice, or conduct himself like a professional to maintain a job that is paying him more money than he would have ever made had he not been able to play basketball. That speaks volumes to me. But it’s Avery’s fault. Or Billy King’s fault. Or Adleman’s fault. Pfft
by MrDollarBills on Jun 27, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you. I do.
That’s the thing with Williams, I still believe that he has the talent to be an all-star in this league, but there’s no doubting that he’s at fault for a lot of the things that have transpired. I think Avery could have handled the situation better, but I also believe that TWill could have behaved much better.
I didn’t want to say it — because Andres already takes everything I say personally — but I also get the feeling that he’s a bit hypocritical about his evaluation of Williams. I have a different criteria than Andres (and you), in that I value off-the-court issues and character less than I value talent. That could be because I’ve never been in an NBA locker room; I have no problem admitting that I’m not qualified to formulate the most effective evaluations of what should be added to a team.
I think King is a good general manager. I’m not utilizing revisionist history when I evaluate him; I’m just making sure we (meaning, Nets fans) keep things in perspective. King has been great since he’s been given the job; every move he’s made has been a good one. I fully trust him moving forward.
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what impact
he had TWO GOOD MONTHS in a 12 win season
spare me!!!! hahahaahaaaa
by MrDollarBills on Jun 27, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Well you could also argue
Williams is the far superior prospect (he was a lottery pick on a stronger draft)
The following were picked at about the same pick # in the 2003 draft, one of the strongest drafts in recent memory:
#15 Reece Gaines
- Troy Bell
- Zarko Cabarkapa
Yet you can argue that these second rounders are all having better careers:
- Keith Bogans
- Mo Williams
- Kyle Korver
by Anthony Perez on Jun 27, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Weird formatting thing from Should read
Number 16: Troy Bell
Number 17: Zarko Cabarkapa
Number 43: Keith Bogans
Number 47: Mo Williams
Number 51: Kyle Korver
by Anthony Perez on Jun 27, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
How did I know
that this was all about Terrence Williams
dude, he is playing for the Rockets, and just barely.
He will probably find himself out of the league after next season.
Give it up
You are sitting here steamed because people are giving Marshon Brooks the same chance to prove himself that all Net fans gave T-Will before he showed us his ass.
I hope that Marshon turns out to be so good, that the name “Terrence Williams” will go down in the annals of Nets history with such names as “Tamar Slay” and “Antione Wright”
he’s a bum. get over it. he’s not coming back. he’s going to be playing in f’ing china by this time next year.
by MrDollarBills on Jun 27, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think
Terrence was a stronger prospect because of his defense…but you must remember, Marshon torched the Big East so I don’t think he’s too far off from Terrence. He also was a leader for his club like TWill was.
I agree you can’t judge this trade yet, simply because BOTH players haven’t really played a whole lot. TWill hasn’t played well so far, but you never know. As for MarShon, he walks into a better situation than TWill did, so I believe he has a higher chance of success (star PG in Deron, up-and-coming roster with cap space, the move to BK, etc.)
by smp369 on Jun 27, 2011 11:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The problem is that you believe that talent > *
Talent is only one part of the equation.
Athleticism, attitude, maturity, dedication, focus, drive, character, BB “IQ”, teamwork – these are all parts of what goes into a good NBA player.
T. Will may have had talent and athleticism, but lacked in almost every other metric that goes into making a good to great NBA player.
No one is writing T. Will off as garbage, but rather that his athleticism and talent can’t make up for his lack of strength in the other metrics. The same can be said for Sean Williams and any number of NBA players that flake out and end up over seas or unemployed.
Williams is 50/50 to remain in the nba
I’d rather start over with Brooks plus the Houston pick. Plus Sasha was a nice pick up.
You now have two NBA teams that thought they were better off without Williams on the court...
And his twitter garbage for a 4-year senior was pathetic.
Time to start over and we are lucky to get what we did.
I find this post very confusing
I don’t understand the starting point and ending point for the Nets’ “gain” and “loss”. If we are talking about from Day 1 of Billy King’s reign in NJ to now, then Troy Murphy isn’t a gain or a loss. He wasn’t on the roster on a year ago, and he isn’t on the roster now.
What I think would be much more helpful to see is a comparison of the Nets assets on July 1, 2010 to the Nets assets on July 1, 2011 (which would eliminate expirings, like Gadzuric, Sasha, etc.).
I think you meant to say...
best trade Thorn ever made for the Nets, was trading himself for King…(LOL)
With a lockout looming...
Is it safe to say Dwight will be a Net next year? It’s looking like there will be no 2011-2012 season, so trades cannot occur during a lockout…. Brooklyn bound?
I highly doubt there will be no season
I think there’s a very very small chance we have no season at all, the lockout won’t stretch that far
I'd rather there be
no lockout so that we can atleast make some improvements heading into the season. Atleast acquire one free agent for cheap.
You guys think Billy King is going to be...
wearing his sunglasses at today’s rookie press conference ?

by M I K E on Jun 27, 2011 9:36 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
nice glasses. I want one!
without the “swag” of course.
@Al_Iannazzone: BREAKING NEWS: Nets are close to acquiring Deron WIlliams from Utah, sources told The Record.
-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.
Why?
then they would have no swag
#worddown
by bronxbombers2 on Jun 27, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Woj
Two teams that’ll be active with David West in free agency: Indiana and New Jersey. For the Nets, especially if they lose Kris Humphries.
if he opted out. maybe he’ll be cheaper now.
@Al_Iannazzone: BREAKING NEWS: Nets are close to acquiring Deron WIlliams from Utah, sources told The Record.
-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.
He is opting out
David West’s agent, Lance Young, just informed Hornets GM Dell Demps that his client will opt out of his contract, Demps tells Y! Sports.
No way
Somebody will give hm 10 / 3
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yeah probably…but with the injury teams maybe more cautious.
@Al_Iannazzone: BREAKING NEWS: Nets are close to acquiring Deron WIlliams from Utah, sources told The Record.
-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.
I'd rather go for Nene first before West
I don’t know if I’d go for Nene or Hump first, but West would be my 3rd option.
Ugh
Sign a guy for big money coming off of major knee surgery? Bad, bad idea. Is there anybody left on the Nets who remembers that Nenad Krstic never, ever recovered from his knee surgery?
Plus, Hump is better than West anyway, for what the Nets need. Nets need a PF who brings energy and rebounding (the two things that Lopez lacks) – they don’t need a Lopez clone at the PF position.
by A.S. on Jun 27, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hump is not better than (when healthy) West
Hump is a better rebounder, but West has much better footwork and shooting ability than the Hump.
D-Will > Carmela
As I said, that duplicates Lopez
I see no reason to get ANOTHER Lopez (less 3 inches). We all know that Brook has flaws. We need a PF who will compensate for Brook’s flaws, not double down on them. That means Hump, not West.
And that’s just from a basketball perspective – not even mentioning that West is coming off major knee surgery at 31 years old and will be looking for big bucks.
West is the better player, but I agree, Hump is a better fit for this team. We probably win more games with Hump, even though West is the better player. Now of course, West is a much better fit if we happen to get Dwight, but we can not make moves based around a potential future move that may never transpire.
On June 29th, 2001, the New Jersey Nets and the Phoenix Suns agreed to a trade involving Stephon Marbury and Jason Kidd.
On February 23rd, 2011, the New Jersey Nets and the Utah Jazz agreed to a trade involving Devin Harris and Deron Williams.
A new beginning. LETS GO NETS!
doesnt matter west is the 4 he is supposed to have a perimeter game
its lopez who is reverting to a bargnani clone instead of staying near the basket and fighting for boards and drawing fouls
west would be a great addition. basically everything he did with or without cp3 can be easily duplicated with d-will. he is a vet and he’s not looking for a huge payday. most likely he wants a multi-year deal with a slight pay-raise
i say if you get west for 10 mil and chuck hayes for 4 mil the front court is solidified. then you force lopez play like a real center again
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 27, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Hard to grade
That C Lee trade is a tough one to call. Of course it eventually facilitated the D-Will trade but isn’t Lee exactly what we are looking for at the 2 right now. A solid defender to complement D-Will in the back court. Doesn’t hurt he is friends with Dwight either..
Just saying.. That trade might not be as much of a win as some think it is..
I don't think you can keep grading trades over the course of years
Grade the trade based on what you know at that time. GMs can only work with what they know at the time, they can’t predict the future. To keep changing grades based on what’s happening is foolish to me. Same way with grading draft picks in my mind. Was the trade good or bad at that time? That’s the basis of a grade to me
I don't think this is right
Tractor Traylor for Dirk? On draft night, it’s not such a bad trade – who ever heard of this German guy then? What do Germans know about hoops?
Yeah but if you do that, then every trade has no permanent winner or loser
I mean, first the Nets won the Kidd trade, then the Mavs won the Kidd trade, but what if the Devin trade helps us to a championship what happens to that trade then? You could keep flip flopping for the rest of eternity on trades that are not super one sided
Were these good trades?
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by calling all toasters on Jun 27, 2011 9:52 AM EDT reply actions
Having doubts.
I think maybe we can wait and see what happens with Smith first. If Dwight doesn’t come, i’m for a Smith-Lopez frontcourt.
if we sign West...
It comes with a risk though…. Suppose we want to use him in a trade mid-season?
Nene and Denver Management
After everything that Denver’s management put Billy through last season, we really need to take a run at Nene and Chandler. If for no other reason than to make Denver have to pay up. You have to think this is on Billy’s mind. These guys played him for a fool and luckily the Jazz came in and saved the day. I am sure it would be extra sweet to sign Denver’s best player right out from under them.
I think Chandler can be had
They just traded for another wingman, they got AA and Gallinari. I think he would thrive with someone like Dwill. Young, athletic and can defend. Also multi dimensional can play the 2 and the 3. And if you sign AK47 to come off the bench AJ will have a TON of flexibility.
D Will in 2011...BK in 2012....
Payback...

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by aunt-B on Jun 27, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
BOTTOM LINE
Ends Kanter, Derrick Favors, Devin Harris & GS’s pick next year (could be top-15 in a sweet draft) for Deron is a DISASTER if he doesnt resign. Like franchise killing tsunami trade. There is no other way to think about this and if he leaves then the whole King/Avery era is destroyed
Were they saying "Boo" or "Boo-urns?"
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Everything else is just window dressing
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by Kendrick Jay on Jun 27, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Unless Kanter proves a bust
Something about the kid just says bust all over it. And unless Favors grows a pair. And unless Harris learns how to run a half-court offense.
Then yeah, “epic fail”
by Anthony Perez on Jun 27, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Keep in mind, that Nets pick doesn’t turn into #3 if we don’t get Deron. We don’t get Deron we win less games, our pick drops from 8 to maybe 6, and we don’t win the lotto.
On June 29th, 2001, the New Jersey Nets and the Phoenix Suns agreed to a trade involving Stephon Marbury and Jason Kidd.
On February 23rd, 2011, the New Jersey Nets and the Utah Jazz agreed to a trade involving Devin Harris and Deron Williams.
A new beginning. LETS GO NETS!
I don't think that David West
is the direction we should go in.
If you want to resign hump and sign west, fine, but not for a ton of cash.
Hump is a better fit than West
West is similar to Lopez, and the Nets need someone that is not soft at that spot.
West is a superior all-around player, but Hump has room to grow potentially at a discount.
first off i dont care how you try to spin it the c lee trade was terrible
i dont care if he didnt want to be here. like no professional athlete ever has a conflict with their team. and the nets were coming off 12 wins i’m suprised more of the team werent pissed off at how terrible the team was last year
if you cant mend and convince players to tough it out and see the approaching light then why are you a coach/gm/owner? You have no pull or trust.
Lee would still be our starting 2-guard. he would be the best wing defender and he could stretch floor and run the floor.
and the fact they traded him for troy murphy who did nothing and essentially was what Ryan Anderson was.
then: stephen graham, dan gadzuric, mario west, brandon wright. i wouldnt call them gains in any perspective. they were subtractions by addition
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 27, 2011 11:51 AM EDT reply actions
he didn't want to be here from the start
and I’m sorry, what floor was Lee stretching when he was here? That dude was flat out abysmal for a majority of that 12 win season.
The biggest loss was Ryan Anderson, who would be perfect in our rotation right now as a stretch 4. Lee is a crybaby and isn’t that good. Morrow is a better offensive player than Lee.
and Lee was an above average defender but he was not some kind of shut down defender.
and if I’m not mistaken…Lee requested to be traded. So why do you guys still worry about him?
by MrDollarBills on Jun 27, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know why half this post was about T-Will and C-Lee - 2 guys who aren't here
and aren’t coming back.
by bkfire on Jun 27, 2011 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
because some people
can’t let go of a pair of losers
by MrDollarBills on Jun 27, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
We got a lot for that loser T-Will
We got nothing for C Lee that’s the difference…

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