Nets Assets, Post-Draft Night
by Net Income on Jun 25, 2011 9:22 AM EDT
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PrintThe Nets dipped into their assets to acquire Deron Williams, move Troy Murphy, sign Sundiata Gaines,and trade up for MarShon Brooks and Bojan Bogdanovic on Draft Night. But they still have five draft picks, including four first rounders, over the next three years and at least $17.5 million (maybe as much as $20.8 million) in expiring contracts this off-season...although they've made it clear they'd like to bring back Kris Humphries. and may want to keep Sasha Vujacic, too.
Here are the details...
Cap Space:
The Nets finished the season about $870,000 over the cap after trading for Deron Williams and signing Gaines but more than $10 million under the luxury tax threshold. The Nets gave out a reported $635,000 in partial guarantees last summer which are also part of the mix: $450,000 for Stephen Graham; $100,000 for Sean May; $50,000 for Brian Zoubek and $35,000 for Ben Uzoh -- two of them long departed. The Nets also paid small sums to three players originally signed to 10-day deals: $50,000 to Orien Greene as well as $157,354, to Mario West and $204,000 to Gaines, the latter two having parlayed their 10-day contracts into roster spots at year's end. Gaines was signed to a two-year guarantee late in the season before fracturing his hip. Graham and Uzoh's guarantees ultimately became part of their veterans' minimum salaries. The guarantees paid May and Zoubek along with Greene' and West's 10-days counted against the cap this past season.
Expiring contracts:
The Nets have six players on expiring contracts totaling $17.5 million, with the strong possibility those numbers could rise to seven and $20.9 million. The expiring contracts, in descending order of size, are: Dan Gadzuric, $7.243 million; Vujacic, $5.475 million; Kris Humphries, $3.2 million; Graham, $992,680; Uzoh, $473,604; and West, $157,354. Graham also has a $100,000 partial guarantee on a second year which the Nets won't have to pay if they waive him before July 5, which is likely. Brandan Wright, on the last year of his rookie contract, is a restricted free agent making $3.398 million. Should the Nets decide not to keep him, as expected, his contract too becomes expiring, bringing the total to nearly $21 million. Only two NBA teams have more in expiring deals.
The remainder of the team is either on rookie contracts--Brook Lopez ($2.41 million), Damion James ($1.16 million), MarShon Brookss ($1.34 million) and Jordan Williams ($473,604); or multiple year deals --Deron Williams ($14.94 million), Travis Outlaw ($7 million), Anthony Morrow ($4 million), Jordan Farmar ($3.75 million), Johan Petro ($3.25 million), and Gaines ($884,293). Williams of course can opt out at the end of next season and become a free agent, sign an extension, or play out his contract through 2012-13. The Nets should be under the cap by roughly $19.2 million in 2011-12, assuming the new CBA resembles the old one. It won't. Also, the figures for Brooks and Jordan Williams are based on last year's rookie scale, which will also change once a new CBA is approved.
Draft rights:
The Nets hold the rights to Bojan Bogdanovic, selected in the 2011 draft. He is not expected to join the team till 2012-13 when the team opens Barclays Center. As a second round pick, he can negotiate a contract beyond the rookie minimum.
Draft picks:
The Nets have five picks over the next three years, three of their own two acquired in trades, including the Rockets' 2012 first rounder obtained in the Terrence Williams/Vujacic deal. The Rockets' 2012 pick is lottery-protected pick.
Here are the details:
In 2012, the Nets have their own first round pick; the Rockets' first round pick (lottery-protected), acquired in the Terrence Williams trade; and the Heat's second round pick (unprotected), acquired along with Chris Quinn. Only two other teams have two first round picks in the 2012 draft which is viewed as one of the strongest in years.
In 2013 (and beyond), the Nets have their own first round pick.
In 2015 (and beyond) the Nets have their own second round picks, having sent their 2012 second rounder to the Warriors in the Troy Murphy trade; their 2013 second rounder in the Bojan Bogdanovic trade and their 2014 second rounder in the MarShon Brooks trade..
Regarding protections:
--The Rockets' 2012 first rounder. The pick is lottery protected (1-14) through 2016. If the Rockets pick falls in the lottery in 2012, the pick rolls over each year, again through 2016. In 2017, it would become a second round pick.
Until the Deron Williams' trade, the Nets had not traded one of their own first round picks since 1999, preferring to keep their picks and trade those acquired from other teams. (The last two first round picks the Nets traded turned into Matt Harpring and Wally Szczerbiak.)
Trade exception:
--an estimated $1.3 million exception acquired in the Deron Williams trade. It expires at the trade deadline in 2012. There are restrictions on its use...it can't be traded with a player for example...but they can be valuable. If the Nets wanted to trade a draft pick to, or swap picks with, a team in return for a player, they can use a trade exception to do so. Trade exceptions can also be used to grab a player off the waiver wire if he makes less than the value of the TE plus $100,000. The status of TE's after the new CBA remains murky.
Mid-level and Low-level exceptions:
With the Nets go over the cap, they would normally be able to use their mid-level (MLE) and low-level (LLE) exceptions, worth $5.85 million and $2.0 million, to sign and trade players in a more complicated deal. However, the team renounced both last summer to get room for free agent signings. It's uncertain if the MLE and LLE will exist under a new CBA.
"The Jersey Fund"
That's our terminology for Mikhail Prokhorov's financial commitment to the Nets while they are still in New Jersey. Prokhorov set aside $60 million to to cover operating losses until the team moves to Brooklyn, including servicing the team’s debt (totalling more than $175 million); getting out of the IZOD lease, facilitating trades, as well as the additions to the front office. Prokhorov paid out $3 million to facilitate the Yi Jianlian deal, another $3 million to facilitate the Deron Williams trade and an undisclosed amount to move up in the draft, although the number has been characterized as "a few" million.
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Just really hope a new CBA deal is reached soon so that the Nets can start to put together more pieces to the puzzle.
Ric Bucher reported that he's heard that Deron Williams and Dwight Howard have discussed playing together in the future. - Kevin Baumer
Marshon Brooks is wearing #9
to one-up Kobe. You know it!
and same number as Yi.
@Al_Iannazzone: BREAKING NEWS: Nets are close to acquiring Deron WIlliams from Utah, sources told The Record.
-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.
So then I guess the Nets weren't planning to retire Yi's number?
by jerry25 on Jun 25, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
NOOOOOOOOOOOO
I was hoping to go to the ceremony
Lopez: "I'll stop being lazy and go after every rebound"
by cedaghost on Jun 25, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good write-up by the way.
I hope Billy and Avery make some smart picks in free agency, even though it’s likely we’ll have a lockout..
I have faith in them
I know for a FACT that we’re not going to fulfill all our positions/needs; we’re probably going to get either a starting 3 or 4, most likely a starting 3 and resigning hump
Even if we just roll with this team going forward
I think this is good for 35 wins.
Another big man is our most pressing need to me, we can’t go into next season with only 2 rotation big men, a 2nd round pick, and benchwarmer in Petro
bye bye deron if we get 35 wins
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Jun 25, 2011 1:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How can we keep dwill then?
If we roll with these guys and only win 35 gms, how does dwill stay??
by Wall2KingJames on Jun 25, 2011 1:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he stating the precedent
that the team is pretty solid right now but they should be much better if they dont have to give out major minutes to petro and outlaw and acquire players who actually resemble NBA talent
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 25, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
we did a good job of addressing the needs for our team
now, its just a matter of enhancing our roster, which is going to have to include at least one trade
Question:
If there is a lockout and the NBA loses revenue in a strike-shortened season, would the cap be significantly lower in 2012 due to the fact that the salary cap is set based on the total revenue from the previous season?
No
The cap will be the same, however players will only receive a prorated portion of their salaries. For instance if the season is shortened to 50 games (roughly 60% of a full season), then a player making $10min in 2011-2012 will only receive $6mil.
In 2012, one would assume they would take the average revenue per game & extrapolate it back out to a full season for 2012-2013.
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I’m against signing J.R. Smith to a long-term deal. But say we make a move on T. Young and Philadelphia matches we might be left looking at the leftovers. It may be a good deal to go to Smith and offer him a one year deal for say 7 million dollars.
Look, I don’t think teams are going to be falling over to pay him what he thinks that he is worth. He could come home for a year and play next to a top point guard and rebuild his image. The Nets would get a player who can play both the 2 and the 3 who would be motivated on a one year deal and still save cap space for 2012. It’s a win-win as long as he doesn’t kill the locker room.
But will he agree to a one year deal?
Very few guys will want to forego the financial security provided by multi-year deals
I'm assuming that the market for him will be pretty dry
Either way I hope Philly matches if we go after Young (which seems likely) and we don’t overpay to fill our hole at the 3. If you look at the market there are plenty of options that are fairly close production wise. No need to overpay just wait for other teams to fill their holes and get someone on the cheap. I feel Smith might be that guy.
YOUNG IS NOT A 3
he is an undersized 4.
by rodrain2 on Jun 25, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We need veteran leaders at this point
not veteran headcases
Brook Lopez is the MAN!
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I don't really hate Outlaw, its just fun to make fun of him
by netsareboss on Jun 25, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
forget Young he's not a starter or a small forward rec to rodrain
Tayshaun Prince is the guy.
Chasing Young would be a mistake. While they wait on Philly to match Prince could get signed. I’m not comfortable with that.
NETS Jersey Strong Brooklyn Ready
When you have to shoot, shoot don't talk.
there's no good reason to get Smith
none.
we need veterans that act like veterans, not buffoons. We want the young players to be around professionals.
by MrDollarBills on Jun 25, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Read about chuck hayes
Size and all, he would be a great addition.
Don't know if Houston will let him go though
They love him there, he’s a prototypical Daryl Morey type of guy
Then you probably haven’t seen him play. Hayes is one of the best defenders in the league. He received two first place votes for defensive player of the year. Obviously that’s a bit of a stretch, but it’s not as far off as it may sound.
On June 29th, 2001, the New Jersey Nets and the Phoenix Suns agreed to a trade involving Stephon Marbury and Jason Kidd.
On February 23rd, 2011, the New Jersey Nets and the Utah Jazz agreed to a trade involving Devin Harris and Deron Williams.
A new beginning. LETS GO NETS!
He can. I don’t understand how he does it either, but he can.
On June 29th, 2001, the New Jersey Nets and the Phoenix Suns agreed to a trade involving Stephon Marbury and Jason Kidd.
On February 23rd, 2011, the New Jersey Nets and the Utah Jazz agreed to a trade involving Devin Harris and Deron Williams.
A new beginning. LETS GO NETS!
Quickest feet for a center in the NBA + extraordinary positioning and a great basketball iq.
Chuck Hayes is amazing. And yes he can guard Dwight and every other great pf/c.
Would be a great addition to this team.
by Clayton Balch on Jun 25, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
well the plan is to sign him to play backup PF
as first big off the bench and then another no nonsense vet like pryzbilla or foster who may come cheap and compliment brooks’ defensive/rebounding woes from the 5 spot
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R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 25, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Any word on possible undrafted-player signings?
I assumed the undrafted players would be scooped up pretty quickly.
by nynjlawyer on Jun 25, 2011 9:26 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Well they went undrafted for a reason
I don’t think we hear anything about them until training camp (if there is one)
True, but one or two could still have been on the Nets board
There might just be a diamond in the rough out there which we could tuck away in Springfield for nothing more than a few bucks.
by nynjlawyer on Jun 25, 2011 9:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's unfortunate that the summer league was cancelled
I think we were gonna get a bunch of Springfield players post draft. I’m hoping they at least invite Hazell & J.Mitchell to camp. They might not be NBA talent but they’re competitors and will make TC interesting
Were they saying "Boo" or "Boo-urns?"
@SlayerSantana on Twitter
Also, I'd rather give D.James a chance at staying healthy or Outlaw a chance to bounce back
Then give $45-50M to Thad Young or another one of the RFA’s. If we bring in a 3 it’s gotta be a vet and it’s gotta be short term
Were they saying "Boo" or "Boo-urns?"
@SlayerSantana on Twitter
by Kendrick Jay on Jun 25, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
If there even is a training camp
With an extended summer, our players should show up fitter than ever since they had oodles of time to go to the gym. Or they could show up fatter than ever. Hopefully Deron takes the reigns and keeps organizing workouts and even scrimmages so they learn to play with each other
I read they only cancelled the Arizona league.
Waiting to hear about the Orlando league.
It is possible negotiations would continue after July 1, without a lockout.
That would be a smart gesture by the owners to let the Orlando league proceed, since it would be good promotion for the NBA.
Tay Prince or AK47
One of these guys is the answer to our small forward needs for the next two years. These are proven players, and we need a VET to play SF. We should not make long term offers to either of these guys. On the other hand, I would take a seven year deal @ 5 million per, as if Outlaw can get such a deal, why can’t I?
Paul from Sunny Delray Beach, Florida
Do the Nets
still own the rights to Christian Drejer?
by JerseysFinest. on Jun 25, 2011 10:30 AM EDT reply actions
Net Income
thank you for the write up, I didn’t realize we had a TE.
I’m not worried about the lack of 2nd rd picks. We can always buy them.
It feels good to actually have a team with an owner that does he has to do for the franchise and a GM with some intelligence and guts.
If Rod Thorn were GM’ing, we wouldn’t have gotten anything out of that draft to be excited about. Brooks, Bojan, and Jordan Williams have some serious potential.
by MrDollarBills on Jun 25, 2011 10:33 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Is it just me or do you guys think we should go hard after a pick and pop type 4 with a good midrange J
I mean, if we feel like we have our SG of the future, and an excellent shooter as well in morrow……..being that we can go over the cap to resign the hump….shouldnt we go hard after nene….and see if we cant coerce him to come here, he would absolutely flourish with dwill running the pick and roll a la boozer in utah…….if we sign him for 11-12mil a year, i know it’s a lot but who doesnt get paid nowadays, that still leaves us with 8mil or so to sign a veteran small forward like an AK47 or Prince or Battier, and round out our bench with maybe one more cheap big who does some dirty work…….then we could resign humphries and have a pretty nasty rotation in the frontcourt…..starting would be brook and nene, then if hump came in for brook , nene can slide to the C position, and then they can rotate…..
Dwill/Farmar/Gaines
Brooks/Morrow
James/AK47/OutLOL
Nene/Hump/FA pickup
Lopez/Jwilliams
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jun 25, 2011 10:33 AM EDT reply actions
I think we need to go for a 4 that can guard the pick and pop type 4
Lopez and Williams are both slow big bodied guys, they can’t keep up with guys that can move.
how bout a 4 who can hit a J?
Dwill has shown what he can do for a 4 who can hit a J…..and Hump certainly cant….and lopez while possessing a decent midrange J isnt really quick enough to work a pick and pop
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jun 25, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
so if we resign hump....who we can go over the cap to do so
where do u think we should allocate the capspace we possess…..or are you of the belief that we should be stingy w/our capspace?
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jun 25, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
that will be Outlaw
I have a feeling he will be playing more at the 4 this year
outlaw can hit a j on a pick and roll????? i cant recall one from this past season?
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jun 25, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Outlaw can hit a J?
atleast he doesn’t miss any dunks… oh … wait, nvm
Brook Lopez is the MAN!
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I don't really hate Outlaw, its just fun to make fun of him
by netsareboss on Jun 25, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
that doesnt compliment brooks' game
when david west was healthy people were bashing the thought of him and brook playing together because of the lack of rebounding/defense
now if brook continues to play like bargnani-lite then definitely need bangers at the 4 spot who love paint on their shoes
but if brook got his butt under the basket more i wouldn’t mind having a fleet-footed 4 who can frequently hit the 15-20 foot jumper as his go-to shot
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 25, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Serena’s playing Maria Kirilenko right now.
by JerseysFinest. on Jun 25, 2011 10:42 AM EDT reply actions
So people are really hyping up Brooks
If we’re lucky he can be a decent roleplayer down the line but starter? I don’t know that he crack the rotation next year regardless of what Kings says. He has a chance but I wouldn’t expect major contributions from a guy picked at 25. Admittedly don’t like one dimensional high volume shooters like Young and Jordan Crawford. He’s a good pick that late low risk high reward but I wouldn’t but any eggs in his basket at this point. Nets need to upgrade the best they can through FA and after the moves the kings made Marcus Thornton seems like a good option to target.
Side note, how was brooks rated as an athlete in the combine, above average athletically?
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
He was predicted to go #15
and he was acquired through trade after being selected ten spots later.
What empirical evidence do you have that proves Brooks can’t make major contributions at the next level? He has the tools to be a very, very good player in this league, and just because at Providence he took a number of shots, doesn’t mean he can do that here. The team around him basically was garb, and while he took a high volume of shots, he took efficient shots.
Nets will give him a chance and if he works hard he can be a special player. Nets knew that, that’s why they dealt for him. Getting Thornton effectively ensures Brooks gets no PT.
by JerseysFinest. on Jun 25, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
What empirical evidence do you have that proves Brooks can’t make major contributions at the next level?
The Nets picked him, obviously.
Let me make it clear: THESE ARE BILLY KING SELECTIONS.
Not Rod Thorn, who was notorious for drafting BUSTS. BILLY KING.
King drafts players that get results. Check his track record.
We have one of the best GMs in basketball working his ass off. The results will soon show.
by MrDollarBills on Jun 25, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Brooks will be a solid pro, but let's be fair...
King picked Larry Hughes over Dirk Nowitzki and Paul Pierce. He picked Jiri Welsch in the first-round over players like Tayshaun Prince and Carlos Boozer. He drafted Thabo Sefolosha and traded him for Rodney Carney.
Just like any other general manager, King has made some good picks and has made some poor picks.
I assume your tongue was planted slightly in cheek, but I’m just making sure that we’re aware that Billy King isn’t god. There’s a reason he was without a job for a few years.
If you're interested, you can follow me @TokenNBR.
by Dopeness on Jun 25, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
But thats it he can be a solid pro and its no knock on king
its a good pick. But we’re not set at the 2 with him and Morrow. He can be a solid roleplayer down the line.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
Yeah, that's all you should hope for at pick 25, or anybody after like Jordan Williams.
We still have to sign guys in free agency that’ll really make a difference and please Deron.
I completely agree.
I don’t think the Nets can go into the season with Morrow and Brooks at the two. I don’t think they need to add another offensive-minded player at the position, but should instead covet a Dahntay Jones or a DeShaun Stevenson.
Brooks is not starter-material at this point, in my opinon.
If you're interested, you can follow me @TokenNBR.
by Dopeness on Jun 25, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
At least all of them ended up contributing in the NBA
That’s more than you can say of Adams, Ilic, Drejer, Plananic, Slay…
I wasn't arguing against the point that King has a better draft history than Thorn.
Of course he does.
I’m just stressing that we shouldn’t assume Brooks to be an impact player just because King selected him. Hopefully, he’ll contribute off the bench and maybe down the line develop into a starting-caliber player. We’ll see.
If you're interested, you can follow me @TokenNBR.
and we can't assume
that he will amount to nothing.
King has a keen eye for talent. Better than Rod Thorn’s. I have confidence in what he’s doing.
by MrDollarBills on Jun 25, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who was saying that the man was flawless?
I just think that he’s a good GM, and is more aggressive than Rod Thorn who wasted several picks over the last decade.
-Larry Hughes was a highly rated prospect that year. I remember that clearly.
-He drafted Welsch and then immediately dumped him off to Golden State for two picks. Neither Prince or Boozer were highly thought of coming out of school.
-Thabo Sefolosha is an excellent defender but an offensive liability, Carney was considered to be a better offensive player if I’m not mistaken. Not a great trade, I will agree
I just openly support King because he was being murdered on this blog before he had a chance to do anything. Since he’s been in charge, he’s made solid move after solid move.
by MrDollarBills on Jun 25, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
"He was predicted to go #15"
All year long he was ranked way lower than that.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Marshon-Brooks-6347/mock-draft-history/
Over the last few weeks prior to the draft he got a lot of hype and was ridiculously overrated by some people, but, like Whiteside a year ago, he ended up in the range where he always belonged.
Brooks got picked right where deserved.
15 was a little too high for him.
@Al_Iannazzone: BREAKING NEWS: Nets are close to acquiring Deron WIlliams from Utah, sources told The Record.
-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.
by Andy. on Jun 25, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
False
He was projected to go 20 on several boards as well as 15 to the pacers and only a week or two before the draft. Prior to his sudden rise he was in the second round on a lot of boards. Where did he get picked? 25. I’m not saying its not a good pick or he doesn’t have potential but don’t expect major contributions next season. To demand empirical evidence is a little bit silly. I’m not the one expecting big things in his rookie year from a late pick. Simply logic dictates not to expect anything major from a late pick in their rookie year. Now I can could quote all the pundits and give some of the knocks on him but I’m not the one thats making a case that he’ll exceed expectations. If you think he’s going to be so good it should be you providing evidence. Its like arguing I don’t think the world will end in 2012 and you say what evidence have you got the contrary. I’m just stating status quo
But I know you’ll give me his scoring numbers etc. Not interested in the debate. I think he can have a solid year but theres not a chance he starts next year and if he getting major minutes next year the off season was probably a bust or at least upgrading the 2. A 24 win team can not go with the 25th pick in a weak draft and Morrow at the 2. That is not set and that not even playoffs caliber depth at the 2.
I don’t care whether Brooks gets playing time. The team needs to get better, the days of desperately hoping we build from within because no one wants to come here are gone. Nets to needs to improve now.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
by shea23 on Jun 25, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
note when I say major minutes
I mean major, I’m not saying he can;t contribute as rookie.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
I'm not saying he's going to be a good player right from the start
but as Mr. Dollar Bills said, the kid hasn’t even seen time at the pro level yet, so we cannot make judgements until after he’s at least played a few games. You’re right, there is no point in debating because we simply do not know until he suits up in a Nets uniform and plays a game. I just simply feel that getting a third shooting guard would prevent him from getting consistent minutes, but I’m not Avery Johnson, therefore he perhaps could make it work.
the days of desperately hoping we build from within because no one wants to come here are gone.
It’s evident with Deron here the Nets are in “win now” mode, it is just my belief that Deron and Avery could maximize his talents to the fullest if he indeed gets playing time. Many draftniks expressed confidence in Marshon’s ability to create an impact sooner than later.
by JerseysFinest. on Jun 25, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i think we need to let the kid prove himself
before we dub him a bust or a starter. I envision him scoring off of the bench.
The kid can flat out play. The knock on him is defense/shot selection, which can be improved if he’s ready to work.
He’s high volume shooter in college but an efficient one, who can break people down off of the dribble. I think that he can be better than Nick Young
again, someone should post that analysis of his catch and shoot efficiency. THAT is what has me excited. When Deron hits him with the pass, he will finish either it be from the wing or at the rim due to his length. I think that we have a player that can be really good, but he needs to work, keep his mouth shut, and listen.
I am also leaning towards nicknaming him ‘Young Swag’
by MrDollarBills on Jun 25, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t really care where he was drafted, although I will always share concerns about guys who look like one dimensional scorers (even if the Nets can use that)
but guys drafted in the 20s? Just in 2007:
22-Dudley, 23- Wilson Chandler, 24-Rudy Fernandez, 25-X, 26-Aaron Brooks, 27- Afflalo
one dimensional scorer?? you mean player
because this kid can create his own shot and score from anywhere on the court, his offensive repertoire is amazing
They said he's just not a shooter, he's an athlete. He averaged, I believe, 1.5 steals and 1.2 blocks.
Also 7 rebs – not from his misses because he shot almost 50% from the field.
Brooks put up24ppg in the big east
Jimmer put up 30ppg in the mountains of Utah
That’s all you need to know
by Wall2KingJames on Jun 25, 2011 3:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We have a bucnh of team needs but to pin point them, here they are:
First and Foremost a starting SF, Here is a list of candidates (in no particular order):
1. Caron Butler
2. WIlson Chandler (RFA)
3. Andrei Kirilenko
4. Tayshaun Prince
5. Carl Landry
6. Thaddeus Young (RFA)
7. Josh Howard
Second I would say we could use a platoon role player behind Hump at PF:
1. Yi Jianlian
2. Reggie Evans
3. Jason Smith (Hornets) (RFA)
4. Luc Richard Mbah a Moute (RFA)
5. Josh McRoberts
6. Vladimir Radmanovic
7. Louis Amundson
8. Kenyon Martin
9. Kurt Thomas
10. Glen Davis
11. Hilton Armstrong
Lastly we need a backup center:
1. Nenad Kristic
2. Kwame Brown
3. Nazr Mohammed
4. Joel Pryzbilla
5. Ryan Hollins
6. Chris Wilcox
7. Chuck Hayes
8. Jeff Foster
9. Hamed Haddadi (RFA)
10. Zydrunas Ilgauskas
11. Erik Dampier
12. Aaron Gray
13. Ronny Turiaf
14. Spencer Hawes (RFA)
15. Greg Oden (RFA)
16. Samuel Dalembert
Any thoughts on who we should pick up?
by The Big Russian on Jun 25, 2011 10:54 AM EDT reply actions
I like
SF: AK47 and Prince
PF: Josh McRoberts
C: Nazr, Foster, Hayes, Joel.
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by Andy. on Jun 25, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m with you. AK-47 or Prince
McRoberts could be interesting. Lets see if we can make a big signing with Nene first.
could care less about backup C.
by MrDollarBills on Jun 25, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I would personally like:
SF: Young, AK47, or Prince
PF: McRoberts, Kenyon Martin or Kurt Thomas
C: Pryzbilla, Kristic, Hayes, Dalembert
by The Big Russian on Jun 25, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I would agree on most of your list
SF: Young, AK47, or a cheap Prince
PF: McRoberts, Glen Davis
C: Pryzbilla or DAlembert (centers less of a need though)
id say prince may have more in the tank than AK47....so they should both have cheap next to their names
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jun 25, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Not big on AK due to history of him missing games year in, year out......
Would rather have Prince/Chandler instead…..
would have put Butler on this list as well, coming off that injury of his puts me off.
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jun 25, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
We need to sign players at reasonble price and spen all our cap space, so then we can have flexibilty and assets to make trades......
….I would sign AK47, W. Chandler, (only if at good price so we can have flexibility), both can play SF and PF, and even SG in Chandler case. And AK proved he plays better at PF, the only concern is rebounding at that position. And J-Will can be our 4th big man.
So we can stay with this rotations:
PG: D-Will / Farmar / Gaines
SG: Chandler / Morrow / Brooks
SF: AK / Chandler / James / Outlaw
PF: Hump / AK / Outlaw
C: Lopez / J-Will / Petro
And perhaps still remains some money to sign someone cheap and valuable.
With Farmar, Chandler, James, Hump and Morrow, a bunch of 1st round draft picks in the next few years and Proky’s money we could have enough ammo to make a real splash with some trades.
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We have a bucnh of team needs but to pin point them, here they are:
First and Foremost a starting SF, Here is a list of candidates (in no particular order):
1. Caron Butler
2. WIlson Chandler (RFA)
3. Andrei Kirilenko
4. Tayshaun Prince
5. Carl Landry
5. Thaddeus Young (RFA)
6. Josh Howard
Second I would say we could use a platoon role player behind Hump at PF:
1. Yi Jianlian Carl Landry
2. Reggie Evans
3. Jason Smith (Hornets) (RFA)
4. Luc Richard Mbah a Moute (RFA)
5. Josh McRoberts
6. Vladimir Radmanovic
6. Louis Amundson
7. Kenyon Martin
8. Kurt Thomas
9. Glen Davis
11. Hilton Armstrong
Lastly we need a backup center:
1. Nenad Kristic
2. Kwame Brown
3. Nazr Mohammed
4. Joel Pryzbilla
5. Ryan Hollins
6. Chris Wilcox
7. Chuck Hayes
8. Jeff Foster
9. Hamed Haddadi (RFA)
10. Zydrunas Ilgauskas
11. Erik Dampier
12. Aaron Gray
13. Ronny Turiaf
14. Spencer Hawes (RFA)
15. Greg Oden (RFA)
16. Samuel Dalembert
17.Hilton Armstrong
Any thoughts on who we should pick up?
NOTE: Guys crossed out either placed under wrong position, under contract for next season, or just plain garbage
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 25, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree with the corrections
Lopez: "I'll stop being lazy and go after every rebound"
by cedaghost on Jun 25, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm on board
with the Lets go after Nene faction.
I say we should construct the frontcourt first.
Give me Lopez, Nene, and Hump along with Jordan Williams. That could be an absolutely brutal FC especially if Jordan develops properly. Rebounding translates to the NBA, so I have no doubts about this kid after doing some more research and seeing footage.
I’d prefer to have a veteran at SF along with James. Thad Young is cool but I’m concerned that he cannot hit the open three. We need defense at the position and someone that is capable enough to hit the open shot.
If we cannot get Young, I’d be fine with either AK47 or Prince
at SG, it’s King’s call. If he feels comfortable enough to leave it in Ammo and Marshon’s hands, cool, but its risky because we need Marshon to commit to defense. I think he will be able to hit open shots after reading up on his efficiency from being able to catch and shoot. I’m worried about defense at that position. We may need another player here.
PG we are fine, super fine obviously with Deron, Jordan(wow two Jordans!!) and Sundiata. Having a healthy sundiata to come in as a tempo changer will be a plus. I wanted to trade Farmar for cap reasons, but now that the cap may be higher than expected, I want to keep him. He’s a good player and he provides leadership.
Lopez/Petro
Nene/Hump/Williams
AK47 or Prince/James/Crabs
Ammo/Young Swag
Deron/Farmar/Gaines
that would leave two open spots left.
I would even take a flyer on signing Vince Carter for cheap just to have another veteran presence. But I mean, dirt cheap.
If the amnesty clause comes up, get rid of Outlaw immediately and conserve that capspace for the 2012 free agency scramble.
Nene should be top priority. Building a dominant frontcourt is what will bring the wins.
Yea dude
Nene is so close to signing with Denver. He is out of reach and we have other more important needs.
by The Big Russian on Jun 25, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
you need to try
money talks.
our important needs include building the frontcourt.
by MrDollarBills on Jun 25, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Nene may have that extension locked up before he even hits free agency at this point
On June 29th, 2001, the New Jersey Nets and the Phoenix Suns agreed to a trade involving Stephon Marbury and Jason Kidd.
On February 23rd, 2011, the New Jersey Nets and the Utah Jazz agreed to a trade involving Devin Harris and Deron Williams.
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I really think we should go hard for guys like Nene and Josh Smith,
but we may have to settle for the mediocrity in this year’s free agency..
we cannot settle on mediocrity
the Nets cannot and will not.
by MrDollarBills on Jun 25, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
In Billy King we trust.
He’s making all the right moves, and has to continue to do so.
Yea no way the hump signs to play backup 4, he has a big ego now
by Wall2KingJames on Jun 25, 2011 4:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
if his ego is that big he can leave
we all know nene is better than hump and deserves more money than hump
if hump doesnt want to accept his role he can go somewhere else and collect fat checks and hopefully his team makes the playoffs that pays him the big 50 mil contract
the frontcourt was so weak last year. if lamar odom, carl landry,udonis haslem, darell arthur, taj gibson, glen davis, nick collison, etc all come off the bench for the good of the team what makes hump more righteous than them?
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 25, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nuggets GM Masai Ujiri is optimistic that he’ll be able to re-sign pending free agent Nene.
“We’ve been having good talks and we’re making good progress. I think Nene is excited,” said Ujiri. Denver has said that they won’t engage in sign-and-trade discussions for their talented center, and they seem legitimately set on retaining him.
by JerseysFinest. on Jun 25, 2011 11:08 AM EDT reply actions
Yea Nene is staying, but they can't sign everybody in Denver
Gives us a better insentive of Chandler or Afflalo
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jun 25, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Chandler? LOL
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yes Wilson Chandler SF
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Jun 25, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
make the offer
frontload it if need be.
Lopez, Nene, Hump would be an ungodly frontcourt.
we can’t sit and twiddle our thumbs and mope.
by MrDollarBills on Jun 25, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
whats this obsession with Nene?
when you can have Hump for much cheaper and address other needs with the cap space?
by nets14 on Jun 25, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Nene would eat up all our cap space though..
and he is always broken.. and doesn’t rebound… if he was free and learned how to rebound I would say um, sure. but he isn’t and he doesn’t. so no.
Nene averages 9 rebounds per 36 minutes. How doesn't he rebound?
by Clayton Balch on Jun 25, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
per 48 mins there are 40 players who average more rebounds than him.
There are likely small forwards on that list and there are scrubs on that list.
Per 48 minutes is a terrible way to evaluate any statistic. Players don't play 48 minutes.
For example, if player A averages 3 minutes and 1 rebound per game, that player averages 12 rebounds per 48 minutes.
If player B averages 36 minutes and 8 rebounds per game, that player averages about 10.5 rebounds per game.
So according to your rationale, player A is the superior rebounder. Makes no sense.
by Clayton Balch on Jun 25, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
If anything per 36 and per 48 minutes makes his rebound rate inflated to endorse him as a better rebounder than he actually is.
There are benchmarks to be qualified for any “per” stat, if not Orien Greene would be considered one of the best players of all time based off his efficiency.
If you really want to look at rebound rate. Go to hollingers stats. Click rebound rate. Look. Nene ranks as 70th efficient rebounder in the NBA. I really don’t see how you can endorse his rebounding using a metric saying
Nene averages 9 rebounds per 36 minutes. How doesn’t he rebound?and then tell me a metrics don’t work.
Facts are facts. Nene is a terrible rebounder. And you want to put him on the front line with one of the other less efficient rebounders in the game. It makes zero sense. Accept it.
He plays 32 minutes a game. Me 'inflating his stats' by 4 minutes is
Quite different than you inflating the entire NBA up to 48 minutes. But again you’re using stats as your only argument.
Here’s my point: if Nene came to this team and played 36 minutes a game (which is realistic compared to 48 mpg) and averaged 9 rebounds per game (which is what he currently averages and would probably average more next to Brook) you’re saying that he would be an inefficient rebounder according to John Hollinger’s stats. John Hollinger’s stats also had the Dallas Mavericks losing in every series they played in this playoffs. So please spare me.
9 rebounds per 36 minutes is something I would take all day. Especially with his incredibly efficient offensive game coupled with a great passing ability. Sign me up.
by Clayton Balch on Jun 25, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you should pose this question to someone with extreme basketball experience and see their concerns. I think you should consider what I am worried about. We can get great passing and good offense from super cheap PF/C namely Josh McRoberts. But when someone doesn’t want to consider stats its usually hopeless to convince them that there is other information worth considering than your passion for a player.
Did you read my post?
The whole thing is based on stats. But what you’re doing is taking one person’s advanced statistics and trying to pass it as fact when they have been proven to be wrong in the past.
My point is that even though 9 rebounds per 36 minutes isn’t elite by any stretch of the imagination, it is certainly acceptable. Especially when you factor in who Nene would be playing next to. In my personal opinion I believe Nene would average over 10 rebounds per 36 mins on this team as currently constructed and I believe this is evidenced by Kris Humphries this past season playing next to Brook. Over and over I watched Brook leak out early on missed shots bc he assumed a teammate would grab it. That teammate was usually Hump. Substitute Nene in there, and it would most definitely be the same result based on game film not statistics.
by Clayton Balch on Jun 25, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Completely agree.
“Nets!” is using stats, but ineffective ones.
Nene is a very competent rebounder; his numbers don’t tell the whole story. Any scouting report you look at will tell you that Nene is an above average rebounder.
You have to think circumstantially — realize the system he plays in.
If you're interested, you can follow me @TokenNBR.
I think competent is the right word
He’s not Z Bo or anything but he’s then your average rebounder.
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He plays in the highest possesion system in the NBA
They force a high tempo. That should equal more rebounds. And it would if he was as good as you guys were saying.
You're missing the point.
The guy is talented. Period. We want him on this team for his PROVEN TALENT.
You’re critiquing one aspect of him game. This team needs talent. He brings that. Kris Hmphries does not (not to say I don’t want him back next year). We’re saying Nene is an adequate rebounder and would be an even better rebounder playing next to Brook.
A frontline rotation of Brook, Nene, and Hump would beast. And if we go off starting salaries of 10-12 mil for Nene and 6-8 mil for Hump it is certainly possible.
by Clayton Balch on Jun 25, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
not to mention he could be an excellent pick and pop player w/dwill
could be better than boozer was w/him in utah
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jun 25, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
His trade value would then skyrocket. Can you say Josh Smith? Dwights best friend……
by Clayton Balch on Jun 25, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Look, its a moot point with no futility
Nene is most likely to re-sign with the Nuggets… so its a moot conversation.
And He is old... How many
possessions do the Nuggets have with their league leading offense? They score like 120 a game and yet Nene averages a career average of 6 rebounds a game… This year he averages. 7.6 rebounds per game. His second highest rebounding campaign in 9 years. His best year rebounding? 7.8…
You all are crazy in love for a rebounder who is actually worse than Brook Lopez. I just don’t get it. Its not like he scores a lot either. His career high was 14.6 ppg two years ago.
We can agree to disagree, it’s cool. I think he is one of the best centers/power forwards in the league, and would upgrade the talent on our roster tremendously,
by SadNetsFan on Jun 25, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He has a great field goal percentage so ill give you that.
And that helps his PER or any other metrics. But without his deft fg% he would be abysmal… he is a lot like Eddy Curry in that regard.
Nene is widely considered one of the best pf/c in the league as SadNetsFan said,
You using statistics as your only way of evaluating him proves that you don’t watch him play. The guy played on a team with Chauncey Billups, Carmelo, and AI through almost all of his career. That should tell you something about ball distribution. Right now Nene will probably fetch 12-14 mil per year in FA and by adding him to a team with Deron Williams guarantees he will out produce what his contract is.
by Clayton Balch on Jun 25, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Look without statistics a conversation largely becomes, my opinion is better than yours.
Stats have a value. I am not saying I don’t watch games, you are. And you are wrong. I watch too many games if anything. I like Nene as a player in the right situation. THIS is not the right situation. Brook and Nene are not competent rebounders enough to play with each other. Also Nene is an injury risk. And Nene is old. And Nene costs a lot.
I think you made a ton of good points. If anything I agree with you. We are in a special situation. While most teams have a defensive minded C to build around, we are one of the only teams in the league with a dominant scoring C who isn’t a great rebounder or defender (that’s why Favors was a great pick to pair next to Lopez). If we had Tyson Chandler at C, Nene would be a great fit, but maybe next to Lopez he isn’t.
The problem is, this team is so devoid of talent that I don’t really consider the fit sometimes, even though I preach that we need defensive minded wings with our front-line of Hump and Lopez.
Correct.
This team has very little talent. I would much rather have Nene at 12 mil per year than Hump at 8.
by Clayton Balch on Jun 25, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Hump would cost 8, but if there’s only a 4 million differential, then Nene is a no brainer.
On June 29th, 2001, the New Jersey Nets and the Phoenix Suns agreed to a trade involving Stephon Marbury and Jason Kidd.
On February 23rd, 2011, the New Jersey Nets and the Utah Jazz agreed to a trade involving Devin Harris and Deron Williams.
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I don’t think we could get Nene for 12
I don’t think we could get Nene for 12 (thats what he is opting out from— I think he is going to cost 13+) and I do think Hump can have a contract that is structured to be small in the first few years to help us land a Dwight Howard or someone else etc. I doubt Billy King throws a contract of 8 mil a year to Hump. I think he is hoping to get him for 6—and I think Hump WANTS to stay here so it will be his marketing opportunities lost if he goes elsewhere (minus LA).
word I hear that. I hope we can upgrade our talent in other ways first
but I wouldn’t be super disappointed if he landed Nene. He has a nose for the ball and can put it in the bucket. But I really think rebounding is as important as scoring.. well cause you need possessions in order to score. If you can get even 5 more possessions and you score less efficiently than another team, you can still win. But in order to win and rebound less you usually have to be significantly better than the other team at getting points.
And as for Clayton, I don’t think we could get Nene for 12 (thats what he is opting out from— I think he is going to cost 13+) and I do think Hump can have a contract that is structured to be small in the first few years to help us land a Dwight Howard or someone else etc. I doubt Billy King throws a contract of 8 mil a year to Hump. I think he is hoping to get him for 6—and I think Hump WANTS to stay here so it will be his marketing opportunities lost if he goes elsewhere (minus LA).
Where SadNetsFan and I are coming from
Is that we had an elite rebounder, based on stats, on our team last year and we still werent a very good team. Obviously we upgraded our roster with the DWill trade but even if we had him for the whole season do you really think we would’ve even been a playoff team? 8th seed at best IMO.
We’re trying to say that this team is so devoid of talent that even though Nene wouldn’t perfectly compliment Brook, he would still be a MAJOR upgrade in talent to what we currently have. And that alone would definitely increase not only our win total but set us up for a trade for a superstar. Around the league, teams value Nene much higher than Hump even if their salaries are 5-6 million apart.
by Clayton Balch on Jun 25, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You need to pay attention
I want nene and hump here at the same time
there are match ups out there where Hump will absolutely get annihilated
you are delusional if you don’t think we need at least three solid big men
by MrDollarBills on Jun 25, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Not only is Nene extremely talented
But he would also be a great trade chip for a superstar player.
by Clayton Balch on Jun 25, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
because nene is better
and i’d rather roll the dice with hoping hump takes an average salary to be nene’s backup then having to play outlaw or petro major minutes behind hump or losing out on hump and nene
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 25, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Brook and Hump isn't enough but Nene is a dream
I’d settle for bringing Hump back and getting Carl Landry the rook goes to 3rd string.
Hump, Landry and Prince in the frontcourt. If they have anything left over Deshawn Stevenson is another defensive veteran to go after.
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So what's going on with Josh Smith??
Things are awfully quiet in the NBA right now? NJ needs him hands down, i traded for him on NBA 2K11 and instantly the chemistry between him and Deron was electric! Josh Smith would be the perfect complement to DWiil, Hump and B.Lo also Dwight if we get him….BK should not rest until we get him, especially now that he is on the table…your thoughts people?
Shouldn't base things off on 2k11, even tho it's really fun.
But, we aren’t sure if he’s truly on the table. Plus, no one is making moves because of the CBA..
buddy, this ain't a videogame
this is really life hardcore all-out basketball. I bet you i could get 30 pts in a game using Sasha or make a dunk with Outlaw in that game
Brook Lopez is the MAN!
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I don't really hate Outlaw, its just fun to make fun of him
by netsareboss on Jun 25, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
but yeah Josh Smith would be perfect for the Nets
Brook Lopez is the MAN!
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I don't really hate Outlaw, its just fun to make fun of him
by netsareboss on Jun 25, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
lol, i realize this isn't a videogame, i was just making a point...sheesh
The fact of the matter is he would be perfect with the Nets, is all i’m sayin….
in that game, Outlaw doesnt miss for me
by RandyOreens on Jun 25, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
i never play outlaw lol
I use damion james and he is a beast. He dunks EVERYTHING
I suck with Brook Lopez, he cant score for me
by RandyOreens on Jun 25, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah for some reason, they have Lopez's skill set as an amateur on that game,
hopefully we will be much improved on NBA2K12….smh
you must have the settings on rookie, cause he sucks when i play online with the Nets
and when i use him during the season in franchise mode….i play with the nets on the toughest setting…also outlaw’s skillz are based off of his tenor with the Blazers, where he was a much better player than he is now, i’m certain that on NBA2K12 he will suck horribly on all settings…
Travis Outlaws overall needs to change to a 55 atleast
by RandyOreens on Jun 25, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
you sure about that?
Brook Lopez is the MAN!
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I don't really hate Outlaw, its just fun to make fun of him
by netsareboss on Jun 25, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
besides being good this is how you win with the nets in online mode
starting lineup:
d-will
morrow
james
hump
Lopez
settings:
set timeouts to manual
offensive playcalls to auto
fatigue substitutions
set tempo low, fast break low, crash boards high, d pressure low, help moderate
key is you want to keep lopez and hump fresh by not running up and down the court
every time there is a sub they will do something dumb like hump at center and d-will at the 2, thats when you use the timeouts at your discretion to fix the subs
play slow and dominate the glass, try and keep lopez on the floor ALAP. d-will can play the full 20, morrow will have to be subbed, james and hump have great stamina as well
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 25, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
lol in franchise mode
i traded brook and Morrow for Blake Griffin, then got Jason Thompson as my center, and signed Thad and Thornton, just to show you how unrealistic that game is
The trade logic was really good this year
but griffen was a lot better than people thought and expectations were high.
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Josh Smith was being shopped for the 2nd pick
That’s the level of return that they want. We don’t have that if we’re not trading Brook
Throwing this out there
For those of you who like DeShawn Stevenson for this team, the Mavs trade for Rudy Fernandez increases the probability the Mavs will let him go
On June 29th, 2001, the New Jersey Nets and the Phoenix Suns agreed to a trade involving Stephon Marbury and Jason Kidd.
On February 23rd, 2011, the New Jersey Nets and the Utah Jazz agreed to a trade involving Devin Harris and Deron Williams.
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I'll admit
bringing him into this team would be interesting…
-veteran presence
-championship pedigree
-playoff experience
-has guarded guys like LeBron and Wade well
-terrific defender
-cold-blooded and isn’t afraid of anyone
by JerseysFinest. on Jun 25, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Curious, if we get a guy like say a Thad Young or a Wilson Chandler, even a Caron Butler, do you think Andrei Kirilenko would be willing to play a 6th man Lamar Odom type role? Or would he only sign to start?
On June 29th, 2001, the New Jersey Nets and the Phoenix Suns agreed to a trade involving Stephon Marbury and Jason Kidd.
On February 23rd, 2011, the New Jersey Nets and the Utah Jazz agreed to a trade involving Devin Harris and Deron Williams.
A new beginning. LETS GO NETS!
I don't think they'd be comfortable backing up Damion, if that's what you're implying.
I think Thad or Andrei would be willing to play 6th though.
I meant if we signed two of those guys, one being Kirilenko, would Kirilenko come off the bench with Thad/Wilson/Butler/Prince as a starter
On June 29th, 2001, the New Jersey Nets and the Phoenix Suns agreed to a trade involving Stephon Marbury and Jason Kidd.
On February 23rd, 2011, the New Jersey Nets and the Utah Jazz agreed to a trade involving Devin Harris and Deron Williams.
A new beginning. LETS GO NETS!
My feeling here is, we keep saying “oh we should sign this guy, not this guy.” Well, why not sign both? If it is say Prince and Kirilenko, it wouldn’t be too expensive. The only issue becomes convincing one of them to come off the bench.
On June 29th, 2001, the New Jersey Nets and the Phoenix Suns agreed to a trade involving Stephon Marbury and Jason Kidd.
On February 23rd, 2011, the New Jersey Nets and the Utah Jazz agreed to a trade involving Devin Harris and Deron Williams.
A new beginning. LETS GO NETS!
But what about James then?
He still has a good chance to be a good bench spark, i would only sign 1 veteran wing if I had to
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Brook Lopez is the MAN!
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I don't really hate Outlaw, its just fun to make fun of him
by netsareboss on Jun 25, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I keep forgetting about Battier. He’d be a great fit on this team, and I don’t see Memphis being willing to give him much money. As much as Heisley has made it clear that he is no longer in cost cutting mode, with the huge contracts he gave to Gay and Randolph, and the one they will have to give to Gasol this summer, I don’t see how they keep Battier.
On June 29th, 2001, the New Jersey Nets and the Phoenix Suns agreed to a trade involving Stephon Marbury and Jason Kidd.
On February 23rd, 2011, the New Jersey Nets and the Utah Jazz agreed to a trade involving Devin Harris and Deron Williams.
A new beginning. LETS GO NETS!
I thin he's too old for this team
On top of which we need D but he’s a limited player offensively. He’s the kind of player that put you over the top when you have a contender in place. But teams will look for him because of this. Some team will throw money at him. Money he wouldn’t be worth to the nets at this point with all our needs.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
Prince is a really good defender. And if he can average 14 points on that Detroit team with Stuckey as his PG
he’ll be better with Deron.
Thad Young cannot shoot - period. He plays ok team defense and plays very well around the rim.
I think Battier want to play for an established contender.
great write up
looking forward to the season but I know we will be in lockout soon.
So whenever the lockout is over I will look forward to what the Nets can do
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by killa kadafi191 on Jun 25, 2011 12:01 PM EDT reply actions
I’m hoping MarShon can be a Lou Williams kind of scorer off the bench.
We definitely need some veterans, but this team is really in limbo. We have no idea how it would even pan out with a lineup of Deron-Morrow-Damion-Hump-Brook over the course of a season, we don’t know which FAs the Nets are going to take, and we don’t know if a season is going to be played.
Anyway, this isn’t a championship team as it stands, and it isn’t one of the worst teams in the league, nor does it have the assets to change dramatically…but with a move to Brooklyn and Prok as the owner, I am at least optimistic SOMETHING can happen.
i hope the Nets either get some good free agents
or make some good trades, i tired of seeing lame basketball…
Does anyone remember the taste of playoff basketball?
by The Big Russian on Jun 25, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions
I went to our last playoff game. Still have the shirt… “In Kidd We Trust”
On June 29th, 2001, the New Jersey Nets and the Phoenix Suns agreed to a trade involving Stephon Marbury and Jason Kidd.
On February 23rd, 2011, the New Jersey Nets and the Utah Jazz agreed to a trade involving Devin Harris and Deron Williams.
A new beginning. LETS GO NETS!
A few on here made the bold statement that if we are to be a winning team marshonbrooks
cant be in our rotation…..this is insane talk!!!!
Id say if he is successful as part of our rotation we will undoubtedly be a winning team…..sometimes it’s just obvious on film when a guys got it….and brooks has got it….i aint talking about swag, or whatever…..i mean watch clips of the guy, how many guys do you know that can hit a turnaround fadeway jumper with such a smooth spin move…..the answer is zero on the nets, and few in the league…noones saying he has to be our go to option, but the guy can score in crazy amounts of ways!!
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jun 25, 2011 12:41 PM EDT reply actions
But can he defend? Can he do what his coach says? Can he do what's best for the team instead of what's best for himself?
What is what a player in a winning rotation needs.
I think that if BK and Avery didn't see that potential in him, they would not have drafted him.
The stakes are too high too take a chance. Don’t think that Deron was not consulted on this pick, especially this pick.
Well that's an assumption
He was BPA, bottomline. King said that they would pick BPA. And who wouldn’t have picked him, it’s the 25th pick. But it remains to be seen how he will turn out
i think he can....we see him block shots and get steals
he seems like he has a very good head on his shoulders in interviews….not selfish sounding at all…..and it doesnt hurt that he can fill it up
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jun 25, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't the Nets have the rights to another Euro?
I’m pretty sure they got rights to one of them from the Rockets in the T-Will deal. They have 7 guys overseas though, so i can’t remember who it is.
Only euro we got in the Rockets deal was Vujacic
On June 29th, 2001, the New Jersey Nets and the Phoenix Suns agreed to a trade involving Stephon Marbury and Jason Kidd.
On February 23rd, 2011, the New Jersey Nets and the Utah Jazz agreed to a trade involving Devin Harris and Deron Williams.
A new beginning. LETS GO NETS!
Did Proky include cash to move up to #25? Didn't they spend $3 million to get Bojan?
Prokhorov paid out $3 million to facilitate the Yi Jianlian deal, another $3 million to facilitate the Deron Williams trade and an undisclosed amount to move up in the draft, although the number has been characterized as “a few” million.
nene is way overrated
he is not one of the top 10 PF’s in the league, he is not one of the top C’s in the league, and not even top ten bigh men in the league. Overrated and over paid. He gets his points because he is a garbage man. Hump is better for his defense and rebounding and will cost like 5 mill or more less per year. nene is better cause he plays with Kmart and that may change at the end of the year. If the nets can get Kmart for the MLE at 5 million a year backing up the hump the nets would be much better off.
Completely disagree.
But it looks unlikely that the Nets will have a chance to acquire him; so it serves as a pointless debate as it pertains to the Nets.
Nene is an All-Star level player.
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How is it that the Knicks expect to have a MLE, but not the Nets.
Knicks were in similar situation last summer as Nets. Why did Nets waive MLE but not Knicks.
The MLE really seems unfair and favors the teams over the cap to be allowed to spend more and continue to win.
Josh Smith would be great...put him at SF, with a full training camp. But, how do we get him?
Deron
Morrow
Smith
Hump
Lopez
Josh Smith is a PF
Sure he can play some minutes at SF and some matchups , but he is effective as a PF.
That he is, but he has shown hecan play SF and that is our area of need. He can defend the 3 and 4, drives to the hoop,
and has a nice jumper. He can play it with a full training camp…get some chemistry with the other guys, especially the floor general.
Smith can play the 3 defensively
Not offensively. You can play him at the 3 if you’re playing him next to a stretch 4, in which case the stretch 4 plays SF on O & PF on D, while Smith plays PF on O & SF on D.
We try sending Ammo OR Brooks, 2012 pick, maybe our newly drafted Williams(though I like him)
They won’t have to overpay Crawford if they land Ammo as shooter. They get a big in Williams ( they had no draft pick ), get a pick in next year’s talented draft.
And see which of these two they prefer – Farmar or James.
Just putting something out there.
Atlanta wants more
we’re not getting Smith
by MrDollarBills on Jun 25, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
We are including a 2012 first rounder - equal to a top ten pick in this years draft no matter wher the pick is.
That’s gotta count for something.
not if the nets finish with a top 8 record
which would be the assumption if josh smith is on the roster for a full season
and crawford is more than a shooter, he has insane handles, can dribble drive and set up other teammates and creat his own shot in the paint or from the perimeter
his only knock besides defense is that he gets into one-on-one mode too often
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 25, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
we'll see down the road
hawks are in a state of mediocrity, a overpaid team dat are 2nd round good. somebodies going soon.
Not terrible considering they want to get rid of Beasley
plus they get teague to replace Flynn and they can use a shooter
no that trade is terrible for minny
just because the roster is in flux doesnt mean they have to make a bad trade just to get rid of pieces
they dont need teague and atlanta doesnt need farmar because teague isnt leaving. minny has rubio and ridnour: no need for teague
morrow/james/pick should be enough to pry away beasley and then thats not even factoring randolph who did a great job filling in for kevin love when he tore his hamstring
maybe beasley and anthony tolliver but not beasley and AR. and drop teague from the deal as well.
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 25, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Storyteller has updated roster to post draft.
http://www.storytellerscontracts.com/
Unfortunately the cap space isn’t as much as we have been told and ShamSports isn’t any different.
Marshon Brooks is only listed as 0.954 million towards cap. 2nd round picks I don’t think are counted until they sign.
However total 2011 towards cap is (16.36+7+4+4+3.25+3.077+1.243+0.884(if Gaines is counted)+0.954 for Brooks) = 40.77 committed to 2011-2012. 58.1-40.77 = 17.33 million not counting Jordan Williams. If the cap becomes 62 million as offered by NBA, then only 62 – 40.77 = 21.23 free space.
Storyteller doesn't show Gaines as being fully guaranteed, but I think Nets will keep him.
Gaines makes 8 Nets under contract + Marshon + Jordan + Hump would already be 11 players. Two other quality free agents is already 13 spots. Nets would be competitive for sure.
So basically what you're saying is that
we’re going to sign Nene starting at 10 mil (4 years 52 mil), kirilenko starting at 3 mil (3 years 12 mil), and Hump starting at 6 mil (4 years 30 mil)?
by Clayton Balch on Jun 25, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Hump will command too much money
No way do you sign Nene & Hump.
PF obviously is our most pressing need, since we currently have none signed. Options 1a & 1b should be Nene & Tyson Chandler. If we can’t sign one of them, option 2 should be a trade for Josh Smith. If we can’t do that, option 3 is resigning Hump. There’s more cost effective options out there for a backup PF role.
After we land a PF, we can look to some of the cheaper, jack of all trades veterans like Prince & Battier.
You say Hump will cost too much money
and then suggest we go after Tyson Chandler? You do realize that Tyson is not only the far and away better player but will command much more money in free agency than Hump. Not to mention that Tyson is a center and has never played power forward in his life.
by Clayton Balch on Jun 25, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if we only win 35-40 games, I don't think Deron leaves
We’ll be a 7-8th seed in the playoffs. Sure it doesn’t seem that impressive, but Deron knows he has an owner that will spend anything to improve. He knows that.
Take a look at the only other team he’s known since entering the NBA. The players they traded away or didn’t resign to save money? Eric Maynor. Ronnie Brewer. Wesley Matthews. That’s what Deron hated. He made a comment once, that other teams were making trades to get better, while Utah was making trades to get worse.
That’s what Deron hated, self destruction in the name of cost cutting. Well guess what, there will be none of that here. Every sign so far seems to look like he’s bought in. He’s got to be rational as well. He can’t go around thinking it’s Dwight or I walk. You have an organization committed to winning, you have an owner committed to winning and spending for it, you have talent on your roster. If there was an allstar in free agency, the Nets would go for him, but there’s not. That’s not their fault. You know they have limited assets in trades. He’s not gonna be stuck on a losing team here because the Nets don’t have any cap killing contracts.
a 35 win season
and he enters free agency
don’t kid yourself. He wants results or he’s not committing
by MrDollarBills on Jun 25, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
2nd round at very least IMO.
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yeah you can in the east
indiana and philly both played their series very close. you can argue that if they had a leader like deron williams they would have taken more of those close games
you can even argue the knicks would have been able to tie the series if stoudemire, billups, and turiaf were healthy
i honestly believe if the nets make the playoffs next year second round is automatic based on the presumption they made some smart FA signings to get them to the playoffs
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 25, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
What does he want a championship? That's called unreasonable expectations
You go from 24 wins into the playoffs. You go from that into a higher seeded playoff team. You go to the 2nd round. That is not an extended rebuilding project, and from what I recall, that’s what Deron said he doesn’t want to be a part of.
I'm saying that if we reach the 2nd round he stays for sure
1st round, I wouldn’t be so sure.
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he wants results
barely sneaking into the playoffs will result in him testing the market
we want him to feel comfortable enough to sign an extension before it gets to the point of where we could lose him.
lets not forget…if the salary cap is higher, the threat of the Knicks stealing him away from us becomes more than a joke.
we need to be a playoff team, and we need to be more than mediocre
winning 35 games in the east is not the right message.
unreasonable? sure. but he’s the one with an opt out option for 2012. so he can afford to be unreasonable.
by MrDollarBills on Jun 25, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
DWill is going to make his decision long before the end of the coming season. He won't know the results of the season..
Otherwise Nets would have to trade him for Russell Westbrook before the deadline.
Most likely DWill will decide before the season begins, based on his judgement of the roster.
Once DWill moves his family he would likely want to stay. If he buys a house, instead of renting, it would be a better sign.
does anyone not think that if we make some key signings this offseason he may re-up b4 the season starts?
He has stated he doesnt care to be a distraction and have a contract lingering over his head a la carmelo…..if we get pieces maybe he will sign off the bat
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jun 25, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? You only think the Nets will win in the 35-40 range?
I think it’ll be closer to 50 — assuming the Nets add Kirilenko (or another proven wing defender) and some front-line depth — but I understand your viewpoint.
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As currently constructed I think win can win as many as 50 games.
Though my guess is lower 40s.
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by NetsMets4Life on Jun 25, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I take back the currently constructed part.
Based off of what I think we will fill in, we can win as many as 50. Like Dopeness said, additions like Kirilenko & veterans.
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by NetsMets4Life on Jun 25, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about 50
To win 50 games, that takes a lot. Even the Nets Finals teams was only a 52 win team. And that was the best defensive team in the entire NBA then
We do not have to be the best defensive team in the NBA, and we wont be.
Other teams will be much better than us, and they will get better. Miami will be better than 58 games.
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by NetsMets4Life on Jun 25, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Looking at our expirings
Who was the genius that gave Dan Gadzuric $7.2 mill? That’s worse than Outlaw
He had his best year right before the contract.
Hope we won’t be saying that about Hump.
nets need to win 40 plus games
Dwill wants to see Brooklyn. Dwill doesn’t expect the nets to win 50 next year and that won’t happen unless they sign another proven big time vet. If the nets win 40 something, with the new stadium and the assets to improve Dwill will stay. Dwill will also be instrumental in getting good players to come here. Also don’t forget Dwill will improve this team himself if he stays healthy. A team that goes from 24 wins to 40 something will be a big enough improvement for dwill to stay.
35 wins won't get it done
45+ Imo.
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Doubling the win total to 48
is not realistic.
40+ wins and playoff berth with the potential to continue to get better and improve the team will be enough.
Also remember
Kidd came to a team that won like 27 games and promising talent and took them to 52 games and a trip to the finals. Now the East isn’t as weak as it was back then but Dwill can take this team to another level just like Kidd did.
Plus, a lot of players on this team will improve with Dwill like Outlaw, hump, lopez. Don’t discount how Dwill will improve this team just by being healthy most of the year.
I don't think Outlaw will be playing with D.Will much
They’d really have to fail in free agency or be decimated by injuries for that to happen. We’re likely going to have to rely on the playmaking abilities of Jordan Farmar and Anthony Morrow/Marshon to make Outlaw resemble an NBA bench player again.
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by strange-brew on Jun 25, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I've not given up on Outlaw just yet
the kid made a mistake and came to camp out of shape, which didn’t bode well with Avery or King. It was his first free agency and he’s young and simply made a stupid mistake. Young kids do that you know. Know he knows.
He had a different coach, different system and it doesn’t bother me he had an off year. But last year doesn’t define his whole career. He was pretty good at portland and showed glimps of that last year. This year with Dwill and starting off right i think he will be the player the nets expected to get when they signed him. He may not be all world, but he will be improved enough to make this team better. All i know is when Dwill came his game improved as well as alot of players. Also,he started the season with Devin Harris who does not make players better.
young by age
but he’s been in the league since he was 19 years old. he played on some crappy teams and some good teams
he should know by now. he made andray blatche look like a determined competitor
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 25, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't sleep on Chuck Hayes
I’m with MDB. Hump, SF, rotation big (best we can afford). If there is any money left, vet defensive SG.
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