It's a Whole New Game on Draft Night with Billy King Picking as Nets GM
You know what they say in the stock market..."Past Performance is No Guarantee of Future Results". Well, considering that this month, Billy King talked about how he sees Draft Night like others see a Wall Street trading floor with lots of moving pieces and quick decisions, it's an appropriate metaphor.
This will be, of course, Billy King's first draft as Nets GM, so we thought we'd review his past performance in Philadelphia and examine as well how the Nets situation, including Mikhail Prokhorov's wealth and desire to win, might change things from what went on in the past...hopefully for the better. So using NetsDaily's vast research capabilities, we look back in hopes of getting a sense of what will happen Thursday night. Some of this we've reported before but it's more relevant now.
Finding Late Value
Even the best GM makes mistakes in the draft, of course. Joe Dumars took Darko Milicic and Sam Presti traded Roddy Beaubois for Byron Mullens. Billy King made a few too, starting with taking Larry Hughes over Dirk Nowitzki and Paul Pierce in 1998, but a review of King's time in Philly indicates he did well when picking in the lottery, found solid NBA players at the end of the first round and discovered value deep into the second. He also signed at least one undrafted player, Raja Bell, who became a top-notch defender.
His best skill is finding value late and with the Nets having a late first rounder and an early second rounder, that's a good thing. As one of his former players in Philly, Eric Snow, told Al Iannazzone last summer, "He’s got a great feel for the unseen."
So, let us review…it's an incomplete but telling list:
—1999: drafted Todd MacCulloch with the 47th pick.
—2000: drafted Speedy Claxton with the 20th pick.
—2001: drafted Samuel Dalembert with the 26th pick.
—2002: traded guard Speedy Claxton to the Spurs for Mark Bryant and the draft rights to John Salmons, taken with the 26th pick.
—2003: bought the Nets' second round pick, the 51st pick, and used it on Kyle Korver. Cost: $140,000; Traded the draft rights to guard Paccelis Morlende to the Sonics for the draft rights to Willie Green, taken at #41.
—2004: drafted Andre Iguodala with the 9th pick.
—2005: drafted Louis Williams with the 45th pick.
—2006: drafted guard Thabo Sefolosha (13th pick), then traded his draft rights to the Bulls for the draft rights to guard Rodney Carney.
—2007: drafted Thaddeus Young (12th overall pick), Daequan Cook (21st overall pick), then traded the draft rights to Cook, a 2009 second-round pick and cash to the Miami Heat for the draft rights to Jason Smith, taken with the 20th pick.
A GM who can find any value after #40 (MacColluch, Green, Korver and Williams...Korver and Greene in the same draft); get solid NBA talents late in the first round (Claxton, Dalembert, Salmons); and use lottery picks to get players like Iguodala and Young deserves respect.
To suggest that Iguodala and Young were no-brainers ignores what other teams around his pick wound up with. Iguodala was taken between Rafael Araujo and Luke Jackson; Young was taken between Acie Law and Julian Wright. Same with his second round gem, Louis Williams. Williams was taken after Roko-Leni Uric, Chris Taft, Mile Ilic and Martynas Andriuskevicius. Of all those players, only Julian Wright and Law are currently under contract in the NBA.
In getting value at the places where the Nets are picking, few have a better record...and that includes the guy who hired him. Rod Thorn after all drafted in succession, between 2003 and 2007: Zoran Planinic, Tamar Slay, Christian Drejer, Antoine Wright, Mile Ilic, Marcus Williams, Josh Boone, Hassan Adams and Sean Williams. He followed a solid 2008 draft by taking Terrence Williams.
Trader Billy
As the above listing notes, and as Iannazzone wrote this spring, King is a tinkerer. He absolutely loves to deal on Draft Night. As a Sixers' executive, King made 14 draft-day trades from 1998-2007 that involved picks. On three Draft Nights, he made three deals each...in 2002, 2006 and 2007.
In addition to the trades listed above, that got the Sixers Korver and Green for pennies on the dollar, here's what he did in Phily on Draft Night:
--Draft 1998: Traded a future first-round draft to the Jazz for the draft rights to center Nazr Mohammed...looking for a backup to Dikembe Mutombo.
--Draft 1999: Traded a future first-round pick to the Hawks for the draft rights to forward Jumaine Jones.
--Draft 2001: Traded an undisclosed amount of cash to the Clippers for a 2001 second-round pick.
--Draft 2002: Traded the draft rights to guard Jiri Welsch to the Warriors for a future first-round draft pick and a future first- or second-round draft pick; traded guard Speedy Claxton to the Spurs for forward Mark Bryant and the draft rights to guard John Salmons and forward Randy Holcomb; traded second-round picks in 2004 and 2006 for the draft rights to forward-center Efthimios Rentzias.
--Draft 2006: Traded the draft rights to guard Thabo Sefolosha to the Bulls for the draft rights to guard Rodney Carney; traded a future second-round pick and cash to the Timberwolves for the draft rights to forward Bobby Jones; traded cash to the Raptors for the draft rights to forward Edin Bavcic.
--Draft 2007: Traded the draft rights to guard Daequan Cook, a 2009 second-round pick and cash to the Heat for the draft rights to forward Jason Smith; traded the draft rights to guard Petteri Koponen to the Trail Blazers for the draft rights to forward Derrick Byars and cash; traded the draft rights to center Kyrylo Fesenko to the Jazz for the draft rights to forward Herbert Hill and future draft considerations.
Some are good, some are bad, some are meaningless. Dumping Jiri Welsch for two picks...very good; trading Thabo Sefolosha for Rodney Carney...not so good; trading draft rights to Kyrylo Fesenko for Herbert Hill...not so good but not disastrous.
Money Talks:
The Nets have yet to buy a pick in the Prokhorov Era, but with two first round picks last June, one #3, there wasn't a big need. But after the Nets dealt their first round pick to the Jazz in the Deron Williams trade, there were reports that the Nets would be willing to buy a pick. That's always been a possibility.
Over the last several years, before and after Prokhorov bought the team, the Nets have said (but only after the fact) they were willing to buy picks. They tried to get a pick high in the 2005 second round to take Monta Ellis. They claimed in 2008 that they had been willing to buy a pick late in the first round to grab Chris Douglas-Roberts but decided to wait, hoping he'd be available at #40 and he was. Same year, Lawrence Frank suggested they were thinking of buying a pick to take Jaycee Carroll, but didn't, signing him instead as a free agent. And last year, there were reports that they liked Ben Uzoh and Brian Zoubek well enough to buy late second round picks, but again waited and then used a lesser amount to entice them with partial guarantees.
Now, they have an opportunity to use some of Prokhorov's cash hoard to move up or add picks. There are precedents. Look at what Sam Presti and the Thunder did last year. They started Draft Night with the 18th, 21st, 26th and 52nd picks and wound up the evening with the 11th, 31st and 48th picks, through a deft series of moves that involved cash (probably $3 million), future picks and an expiring contract. (The problem is that the product of all that maneuvering was Cole Aldrich, Tibor Pleiss and Latavious Williams...one on the bench, one in Europe and one spending much of the year in Tulsa.)
The Nets start off the 2011 Draft with the 27th (Lakers) and 36th (their own). If they wanted to go higher, they could buy another pick in the 20's and package that pick, the Lakers' first rounder; their own second rounder and some more cash to go higher. Or they could add the Rockets' lottery-protected 2012 pick.
In fact, cash deals have become more common on Draft Night with things likely to get even crazier this June because of the impending lockout. But King also pointed out recently that with a bad draft, some teams may not be willing to pay top dollar, i.e. $3 million, for a late first round pick.
The Blazers, owned by billionaire Paul Allen, have bought first round picks on five occasions in the past seven drafts, once from the Nets. In at least four of those deals and probably all five, the price tag was that $3 million max.
--On Draft Night 2004, the Blazers sent $3 million and the expiring contract of Eddie Gill to the Nets and got a Nets’ first round pick (#23 – Viktor Khryapa of Russia). The Nets then cut Gill.
–On Draft Night 2006, the Blazers sent $3 million to the Suns and got a Suns’ first round pick (#27 – Sergio Rodriguez of Spain)
–On Draft Night, 2007, the Blazers sent $3 million to the Suns and got a Suns’ first round pick. (#24 – Rudy Fernandez of Spain).
--On Draft Night 2007, the Blazers sent an undetermined amount of cash and the rights to second round pick, Derrick Byars to the 76ers and got a 76ers first round pick (#30 pick Petteri Koponen of Finland). Byars was later cut by the 76ers and the Blazers this month renounced the rights to Koponen, once considered a top European point guard bound for the NBA.
–On Draft Night, 2008, the Blazers sent $3 million in cash to the Hornets and got a Hornets’ first round pick (#27 – Darrell Arthur of Kansas). Arthur was immediately sent to the Rockets, with a smaller amount of cash, in return for draft rights to Nicolas Batum of France, taken at #25.
So at least $12 million--and probably closer to $15 million--of Allen's cash hoard was used to pick up Rudy Fernandez, Nicolas Batum, Sergio Rodriguez (since traded) and Koponen. Khryapa was later used as filler in the Tyrus Thomas - LaMarcus Aldridge trade.
Allen isn’t the only billionaire owner who feels this way about the value of cash on Draft Night. Here’s what Mark Cuban wrote back in 2008 defending his decision to trade two first round picks to the Nets in the Jason Kidd trade: "There are almost always teams willing to sell a pick in the 20s for 3mm dollars." Translation: I got the money. Don't worry.
Also, Jim Dolan of the Knicks spent $3 million in 2009 to buy the 29th pick from the Lakers so New York could take Toney Douglas. Micky Arison of the Heat paid $1.2 million to the to those same Lakers in that same draft for the #42 pick in the second round so Miami could pick Patrick Beverley. (In both cases, a future second round pick went along with the cash.)
Also, don't forget this: With the Nets controlling basketball operations at Springfield next season, buying a second rounder (or two) makes more sense. The Nets can work with that second rounder in Springfield rather than have him sit on the bench in Newark.
Guarantees?
Draft Day guarantees are a tricky business. Essentially, they work like this: a GM is impressed by a player and tell the player and his agent that if the player is sitting there when the team picks at a certain position, the team will select the player. The player in return shuts down, stops working out, sometimes feigning an injury. The upside is that the player and agent know where they are going and the GM has a guy he likes. The downside is that it severely limits the GM's flexibility if someone very good unexpectedly falls and he has to watch as a team picking after him catches him. Thorn stopped giving out guarantees after promising one to Planinic and then regretting it. (After all, that draft yielded the following post-Planinic: Travis Outlaw, Carlos Delfino, Kendrick Perkins, Leandro Barbosa, Josh Howard, Jason Kapono, Bill Walton, Steve Blake and Mo Williams.) Will King guarantee?
International Draft Deficit
One area where the Draft is strong this year --and one area where King did not do well in Philly-- is overseas picks.
Kate Fagan of the Philadelphia Inquirer recently listed who the 76ers took in recent years. While she doesn't mention who took them, they were all taken on King's watch.
The Sixers' overseas draftees include Marko Milic, Jiri Welsch, Paccelis Morlende, Petteri Koponen, and Kyrylo Fesenko. In the 2006 draft, the Sixers selected Thabo Sefolosha with the No. 13 pick -- Sefolosha currently starts for the Oklahoma City Thunder -- but immediately traded his rights to the Chicago Bulls for Rodney Carney.
The Sixers' international drafting record is about as impressive as a Ford Pinto. That is to say, it's not at all impressive.
Not good indeed. The 76ers international scout during that period was Danko Cvjeticanin, a Croatian who starred with Drazen Petrovic on that nation's (and Yugoslavia's) great teams in the 1980's and 1990's. Cvjeticanin is now the Nets' international scout, having been brought in by King on arrival last July. He's one of nine scouts on the roster. We wish Cvjeticanin better luck with the Nets. Mikhail Prokhorov will demand it.
Bottom Line
It's always possible the Nets will be conservative and pick at #27 and #36. With King's record and Prokhorov's cash, that's not a likely scenario, particularly if some franchises are going to be looking to stockpile cash rather than picks...three days before a lockout.
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Justin Harper, bondonovic , and buy a third pick for jujaun Johnson
Nolan smith or a big man and I’ll be happy.
by Gr8tness on Jun 22, 2011 2:10 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I say we buy/trade for 3 picks.
Keep three (Harper, Johnson, Selby, Honeycutt etc) and stash two in the D League or keep one of the two overseas (Bodanovic).
Hoping for the best.....
I wish we get a couple of veteran signings, trades and great picks come Thursday! Im excited from all of the possibilities and knowing BK wont just stand pat come draft night!
Guys….let’s not mess this thread up with dumb jokes and Outlaw bashing …..all getting a little old now! Just saying ……
by Rp15x on Jun 22, 2011 2:26 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
THE DAYS OF WATCHING THE NETS SIT ON THEIR HANDS ARE OVER!!!!
I’m loving the direction of this franchise as of late. If we want a player and they’re available, we go get them?? Pure Genius
Bright future.....
Im more then convinced that after this offseason (however long that will be) ,BK and the will of Mahkail to win …..will turn this Nets franchise around a complete 180!!!
Looking at the bright side….I doubt it can get any worse then it has been the last 2 years!!
by Rp15x on Jun 22, 2011 2:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
these next 48 hours are potentially huge hours for the franchise
something tells me it won’t be “let’s just draft two guys and call it a day”
This draft is just completely unpredictable for all teams
The 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th, 9th and 10th picks are all potentially tradeable since none of those teams are all that thrilled with the players there.
by muwu on Jun 22, 2011 4:16 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I care more about the trades that are going to be made that day than the actual draft. I am not enamored by any of these kids.
Yes. I still think we could trade the picks for a veteran
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
so why are you rehashing the past?
“Past Performance is No Guarantee of Future Results”
Avery Johnson can go Outlaw himself.
NETS BASKETBALL…. JUST DEAL WITH IT!
This draft is so dull; it's exciting
"The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven"
I hope Cleveland takes Derrick Williams just to mess up all the "experts" and the plans for other teams looking to trade up with Minny.
Its funny how the “experts” admit that Irving isn’t a sure thing (while DWill is), having only played in 11 games, yet because PG is a “sexy” position these days, he gets the edge.
Just last year Wall was supposed to become what Rose is today.
We aren’t hearing much talk about Wall these days.
I don't see how Wall disappointed
16.4 ppg 8.3 apg 4.6 rpg 1.8 spg vs Rose’s 16.8 ppg 6.3 apg 3.9 rpg 0.8 spg in his rookie year
i know this seems like draft mock blasphemy
but what if Cleveland said:
“lets ride out Baron Davis and Ramon Sessions who are two decent nba point guards and wait a year or two or three for another point guard”
And they take D-Will^2 and play him at the 3? If he pans out there then great you may make the playoffs next year. If not then wait for jamison to expire and slide him to the 4
then the t’wolves who definitely dont need kemba/kyrie/knight take kanter.
jazz take irving, figure out how well he and devin can split the backcourt
cavs with 4th pick can either trade down(possibly shipping off jamison along with the pick) and take a player they wouldnt reach for at 4, or can reach instead for an alec burks or klay thompson
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 22, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Billy King's success may be dependent on how many $millions he can get Proky to agree to put on the table. Rod Thorn didn't have that option.
However, I don’t see Billy King as the type who would beg Proky for $.
I could see Irina begging, and maybe Yormarket and Charlier talking with Proky though.
If only Proky could have been allowed to waive that $71 million tax, think of how much could have been put to good use by by picks, moving up in the draft and unloading Petro with $3 million payments.
But he was cheap in paying Avery and Billy King.
He will pay the money though if it helps his reputation.
Proky having a good reputation in the USA (being successful with Nets) should be worth a lot to him.
Flawed Draft
Picking at 27 is a crap shoot, in this draft. I’d keep an eye on some of the European players who may need to stay there for a year or two.Past the tenth best player according
to the boards, most of the rest have significant flaws in their games. I know we are all excited to have basketball in the news again. Let’s just hope the players and owners settle their differences before there is a lockout. As far as Thursday night, I’ll be watching all night. Go for it, Billy King!
Paul from Sunny Delray Beach, Florida
Buying picks
In such a weak draft, I really doubt we will be buying picks or else we have a deal in place to package the picks for a vet. Tomorrow will be mostly about teams moving larger contracts and draft picks until the new CBA is determined
by Blkswizz on Jun 22, 2011 7:43 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Great write-up
it’s always a crap shoot in the draft, no matter what year, no matter how ‘deep’ a draft goes. in 2000 when the draft was the ‘worst ever’ Mike Redd went in the 40’s, in 2003 when there was 5 studs, Darko went #2.
Draft night will also provide an indicator of BK’s job security & Deron’s intentions. If we buy a whole bunch of late picks and use them on underclassman projects or on Europeans with buy-outs overseas (I want Donatas) then maybe BK is safe & Deron is already be on board. If we stand pat and draft seniors or Dukies then that will be telling of the opposite.
Very exciting time, but then again, in this league the offseason is almost always the most exciting time of year
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weak draft?
this draft is definitely weak at the top with blue chippers but mid 1st – through mid 2nd looks stronger than usual to me, although i’m probably looking through nets-colored glassed. i’m definitely hoping they buy at least 1 2nd rounder.
Weak for the teams picking 3-10
As evidenced by the many rumblings that most of them are willing to trade their pick or move down in the draft
Please no. Just no.
http://www.northjersey.com/sports/pro_sports/basketball/nets/124333964_Possible_Nets__picks.html
1. Iman Shumpert, 6-5, 215, G, Georgia Tech, Jr.
Nets hope the athletic, versatile guard with a defensive mentality is there, or they could trade up for him.
Now Honeycutt, I like that kid a lot.
Phoenix is apparently interested in picking Iman Shumpert with 13th pick.
not worth trading up for him…imo.
@Al_Iannazzone: BREAKING NEWS: Nets are close to acquiring Deron WIlliams from Utah, sources told The Record.
-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.
I wouldn't take him in the 1st round
This draft will be the draft of workout wonders. Once, Klay Thompson was a 2nd rounder, now he’s supposedly the top SG in this draft.
I hate to say this because i never going into a draft feeling this way,
but if we dont make some kind of moves tommorow with our picks, in packaging them, or moving up or trading them for a servicable player, i will have considered our 2011 draft a complete failure
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jun 22, 2011 8:01 AM EDT reply actions
The draft is still so hard to watch and rate though
Because year after year you see guys like Brandan Wright get taken before Joaquim Noah, Javaris Crittenton taken before Wilson Chandler, Shelden Williams taken before Brandon Roy & Rudy Gay, Hilton Armstrong taken before Rajon Rondo, etc.
And you know there were fans just like us watching and saying, “Rudy Gay looks nice, but I think we should take Shelden Williams if he’s still on the board because of A, B, C [perfectly logical] reasons” and then we find out years later:
“Man, we should’ve taken Kendrick Perkins/Barbosa before Zoran Planinic” or “Can’t believe we picked Soumaila Samake instead of Michael Redd”
Damn, Thorn sucked…
is that directly from nbasource2 or is this his alter ego speaking?
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jun 22, 2011 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions
awesome....gotta say that was brilliant, and i now hold you in a high regard
as by far my favorite poster on here….that put you over the top!
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jun 22, 2011 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I want stephen jackson and that #9 pick.....how do we get it
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jun 22, 2011 8:13 AM EDT reply actions
while shedding some salary that is
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jun 22, 2011 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions
farmar/james our 2 picks/$3mil for stephen jackson/diaw and the #9
Jackson is at 9 mil for the next 2 years and is a definite upgrade at the 2 spot, and diaw is servicable while at the same time a valuable expiring contract….then hopefully we can turn that #9 pick into something of value……farfetched?
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jun 22, 2011 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Completely one sided, try thinking from Charlotte's point of view
What do the bobcats get out of it? Let’s see, they get worse and they lose their draft pick while gaining the 27th pick in a weak draft and another pick likely in the 20s.
true....i just recalled silas saying they want to upgrade their backup pg and get shooter
if morrow was in there instead of james? then we could potentially draft burks or brooks….i mean it seems theyd love to be able to dump diaw, so that in and of itself is worth something to them……
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jun 22, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions
That doesn't mean getting robbed in doing so
Diaw alone they would do that, but for Jackson? They can do much better.
in order to have someone take diaw off their hands theyd have to be willing to give up something of note
if you recall gerald wallace was pretty much a one sided trade and the only reason we didnt get him is because we would take on diaws salary…..
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jun 22, 2011 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions
say we take the #9 pick out of the equation and put in their later pick or no pick at all
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jun 22, 2011 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Boris diaw isn't untradeable
He’s actually very tradeable. He’s an expiring contract (if he exercises his player option for next season).
And the Gerald Wallace wasn't one sided
A. Pyrzbilla’s expiring contract
B.
The Blazers announced late Thursday that the picks will be the first-round selection Portland had picked up from the New Orleans Hornets in the Jerryd Bayless trade, and a conditional Blazers pick in 2013.
The trade gives the Bobcats trade options involving their picks going forward. Charlotte traded its 2012 first-round pick to the Chicago Bulls in the Tyrus Thomas deal a year ago, which would prevent the Bobcats from trading their own 2011 or 2013 picks. But having the rights to extra picks in each year allows the Bobcats to deal their own picks or the newly acquired ones in either year, avoiding limintations caused by the so-called Stepien rule.
maybe farmar, morrow, # 27 & cash for diaw & # 9. i don’t think the nets are getting jackson. but i’d love burks or thompson @ # 9
well assuming we sign a decent sg that may be a good move
in that diaw is servicable and also an expiring contract……farmar and morrow about match his contract together
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jun 22, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
would u take burks at #9 if that were to come to fruition?
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jun 22, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Based on who's there
I’d rather pick up Kawhi Leonard or Bismack Biyombo or Jan Vesely or Valanciunas
ok so say we did that morrow/farmar/27 for diaw/9
you have now lost your starting 2 guard….arent u almost forced to either pick the best 2 guard or use that pick to make a move for one?
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jun 22, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
not that this is happening, just hypothetically speaking
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jun 22, 2011 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Not all that farfetched
Teams believe Charlotte has designs on specific player for No. 9. If he’s off board, they think ’Cats will trade down to get multiple picks.
Are we in fact discussing anything along these lines
I wish we had a little fly in the FO meetings
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jun 22, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Luke, I am your father
(After all, that draft yielded the following post-Planinic Travis Outlaw, Carlos Delfino, Kendrick Perkins, Leandro Barbosa, Josh Howard, Jason Kapono, Bill Walton, Steve Blake and Mo Williams.)
you meant to type luke, no biggie :)

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