Clearing Cap space for 2012 and being competitive in 2011
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 13, 2011 4:49 PM EDT
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PrintHow do we clear cap space for next year so we can trade for Howard while staying competitive.
1. Trade Johan Petro and Stephen Graham for Martell Webster. The T’Wolves are likely to pick Derrick Williams with the 2nd pick. They already have Michael Beasley and Wesley Johnson so Webster’s is the odd man out. Webster has 2 years on his contract but the 2nd is a team option we wouldn’t have to pick up. Petro would give them more size at center to platoon with Darko Milicic. This Trade clears $3.5 mil off of 2012’s cap.
2. Trade Jordan Farmar, Anthony Morrow, Damion James for Boris Diaw and the #19 pick. Diaw’s contract expires after next season and would be a good backup PF. We would then use the #19 pick on Marshon Brooks. Losing Farmar doesn’t hurt that much since Deron Williams will be playing the majority of the PG minutes. Morrow’s loss will be felt but, in time, Brooks will be a far better player who is more versitle. This move will clear another 9 mil off of 2012 bringing us up to $12.5 Mil in cuts.
3. Sign Andrei Kirilenko for 4 year $16 Mil. I would like to go with other players here but this move seems inevitiable.
4. Sign J.R. Smith to 4 years $20 Mil. He should come cheap out of all of the free agent SG’s. I know a lot of you are divided on Smith but look at how well he played vs Wade and Lebron for his career.
5. Draft Jeremy Tyler at #27 and Malcolm Lee at #36. Tyler is a huge physical presence and would be the Ying to Lopez’s Yang. If we trade for Howard he could be added to the trade and perhaps keep Hump. Lee is 6’6" and can play both guard positions and would help make up for losing Farmar.
6. Resign Kris Humphries for 4 years $28 Mil.
2011 our lineup would be
C: Lopez, Tyler
PF: Hump, Diaw
SF: AK47, Webster, Outlaw
SG: J.R. Smith, Brooks, Lee
PG: DWill, Gaines
Going into the summer of 2012 we would only have
Hump $7 Mil
Outlaw $7 Mil
AK47 $4 Mil
J.R. $5 Mil
And the guaranteed rookie contracts of Brooks and Tyler
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i like tht a lot
maybe instead for ak i think prince is a better option
Trades aside
I don’t think JR at 5 million and AK at 4 million is very realistic , but we’ll see.
"This isn’t fantasy or rotisserie basketball. Why would Denver want Outlaw? Would you?"
I like this idea
If you can’t spend money on a serviceable star, why not clear money so we can make a big splash in 2012? I like everything except the J.R. Smith suggestion. I cannot see he and Avery Johnson, or even Marshon Brooks for that matter, co-existing with each other.
Another concern I have is, how Deron will look at this. We’re clearing money to add role players.
"The trade that usually happens is the one you never hear about" - Net Income
Sub J.R. Smith for Aaron Affalo
The talk is always how Affalo is like Anthony Morrow with defense. That’s exactly what Avery needs.
"The trade that usually happens is the one you never hear about" - Net Income
JR Smith is who we need
For everyone that hates on JR consider this
in 9 games vs Wade since he has been a Nugget he has averaged
20.3 ppg
in 27.82 min
on 53.3% FG
and 50.7% 3pt.
Vs Lebron he has averaged
18.3 ppg
in 27.25 min
on 53.2% FG
and 52% 3pt
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 13, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Then forget Marshon
If you’re betting on J.R. putting up those kinds of numbers, then you’ll need a defensive-minded SG to back him up, not another player that needs to dominate the ball like Brooks.
"The trade that usually happens is the one you never hear about" - Net Income
by imdkidd on Jun 13, 2011 6:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't understand the love for Smith
Get Brooks, and Afflalo will start. He’s more consistent.
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Dont mis judge role players
Look what dallas just acomplished….the big 3 were beaten by the big 1 plus role players
Very realistic and I like it a lot.
Especially the part about having cap space for 2012.
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We would have all the leverage in this scenario even if DWill leaves
We would have the rights to Lopez plus look at all the FA availible
Howard
DWill
Paul
Westbrook
Love
Gallinari
E Gordon
Garnett
Nash
Hibbert
Kaman
Mayo
Beasley
J Nelson
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 13, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
i mentioned something like this before.
i like the idea of getting diaw. he could be a nice chip to have (dwight howard), to match salaries as an expiring. I think we could get him without giving up morrow though.
great post but how bout we do 3-way pick with wolves and cats so we get beasley instead of 19 pick?
DWill Era- 7-18
No Need
Beasley will be a FA in 2012
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 13, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i think a three way with philly to get iggy.
send the 19th, and 27, plus morrow to philly
doesnt that eat up a lot of capspace?
iggy is scheduled to make crazy money!
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jun 13, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
it would make us more attractive to dwight
and possibly make deron re-sign with us
but do we have the space capwise with iggy
for 2 max contracts?
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jun 13, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
i would think so.
especially if there is an amnesty clause (outlaw)
Sorry
Dwill wants winners. So any off-season proposals with JR Smith in it IMO is a fail.
I like getting expiring contracts but I dont think Dwill will like this especially if you throw in Morrow.
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by SIC One on Jun 13, 2011 5:40 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
We would be a top 5-7 seed in the east next year
Chi
Mia
Bos
Orl
We would battle Atl and NY for the 5th seed
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 13, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Not if JR Smith is starting.
1) He is an idiot. 2) His defense and shot selection is suspect. 3) He is an idiot.
We got rid of Twill because of his character issues. No thanks to JR Smith. I would rather have Twill over JR Smith any day.
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by SIC One on Jun 14, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
We got rid of TWill because he sucks. JR has produced in the NBA
If Twill could do what JR could do he would be doing it.
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 14, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Its not because he sucked. Avged 8ppg as a rookie and showed he was ready to improve with his performance in the summer league.
Too bad he didn’t come to practices and things got complicated, he really could have been someone like Iguodala. Not a great shooter, can finish inside, and set up teammates, and play defence. The way he’s playing in Rockets is really bad though.
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I think its funny how everyone hates JR who has been a productive player nba player for years
but TWill cant beat out Outlaw, Budinger or any other journeyman bum who has played on his team. TWill is never gonna be anything. JR Smith is who we need.
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 14, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Still I want Afflalo. If thats a no go I'm fine with JR Smith as long as we have a decent SF.
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A goal is not always meant to be reached, it often serves simply as something to aim at.
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JR Smith can’t even start over Afflalo
by Scooby803 on Jun 14, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
T-Willz was going to become a solid player
Until the Nets decided to develop another one of there #1 pick. Oh how I love how the Nets quickly traded him away when he showed the league he could be the Big O in the D-League.
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by Shameer1016 on Jun 14, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't beat out Outlaw?
Hahahaha.
Also, please try to remember what HR was doing in his sophomre season. Yeah, he was riding the pine in his 2nd year in the league.
Yet still outproduced TWill, riding the pine
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 15, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Lets see since everone is on stupid pills when it comes to TWill
TWill played in 21 out of 82 games in his 2nd year scored 5 ppg in 13.8 min but somehow turned the ball over 1.6 times per game.
JR played in 55 out of 82 games, started 25 of them. 7.7 ppg in 18.0 min. He had 1.0 turnover per game.
per 40 min
JR 17.11 ppg to 2.2 TO
TWill 14.49 ppg to 4.64 TO
JR’s PER 12.77
TWill PER 6.98
I will let you recant your previous post
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 15, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice
Cherry picking.
Just pointing out to one player’s supposed strength (Smith’s scoring) and the other’s biggest weakness (Williams’ TOs=. You forgot to add rebounds and assists. Williams had more rebounds and almost TWICE the assists Smith had in his 2nd year while playing less minutes per game. Also, while Smith scored more (again, his supposed strength) they both shot from the floor at a similar % (Smith- .393; Williams- .374).
And since you said Williams couldn’t beat Outlaw… well, in games he played for the Nets this season, Williams was averaging 6.7 ppg, 3.6 rpg and 3.1 apg. Better overall than Smith’s 7.7 ppg, 2.0 rpg and 1.1 apg in his sophomre year (albeit a smaller sample).
The point is Smith has been around for SEVEN years. SEVEN, He is what he is. Williams still has plenty of time to learn and improve as a player. He has barely played 100 games as a professional. There’s a reason why HOU let Adelman go, and that is because they wanted a coach who plays their youngsters.
Also, as far as I know Williams hasn’t killed anybody nor has he spent any time in jail nor has he been arrested. Ever. Yeah, it’s silly for people to have more faith in a 2nd year player who showed a lot in his rookie season and who even tho some consider him a headcase his biggest crime was being late to a shootaround as opposed to believing that a complete buffoon like Smith, who has been around for 7 years and is nothing but a mediocre bench player, will magically turn it around both on and off the court… Williams’ biggest crime off the court (being late) is the least of Smith’s crime… As a SEVENTH year player Smith has been late to a team shootaround… THIS YEAR… and that’s the least of his faults…
by Andres B on Jun 15, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Finally someone defended T-Will fully
I was expecting you too, but he’s only been in the nba 2 years, and his rookie year was great. Playing few games for the Nets if all those aforementioned issues never happened we’d probably have him as a starter and he’d probably average 9ppg+ because he averaged 8ppg off the bench last season I can only see him getting better.
He has all the assets to being a really good role player, or an all star.
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Not that I believe in using projected productions
But if you are gonna use them, then show everything, not just what suits your argument.
per 36
Smith (2nd yr)- 4.0 rpg; 2.1 apg
Williams (2nd yr)- 6.3 rpg; 4.7 apg
And again, not that I like projected per 36 or per 40 stats, but if you point out to them be honest and show them all, not only those who show one player’s main strength and the other main weakness.
Stop already Andres HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN a 6.98 PER? That's on the same level as Outlaw and Graham.
He played in only 21 games. thats 61 DNPCD. We are comparing JR Smith’s worse year against TWill’s 21 game season. How does TWill play that poorly when he only plays in garbage time?
Lets look at the raw data
TWill had 51 rebounds and 31 assists
JR had 110 rebounds and 58 assists
FYI there is no conspirocy to keep TWill from playing he handles that himself. TWill’s TO ratio is 16.9%, That’s horrible. He shot 37% for a player who doesnt take perimeter shots.
Your argument is beyond weak. I understand going down with the ship but its on the ocean floor already. Only on Nets Daily would someone argue that TWill is better then JR. Just responding to this thread has lowered my IQ.
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 15, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Williams doesn’t take perimeter shots? And you have the nerve to talk about other’s arguments being “weak”? LMAO. Williams isn’t supposed to be a good scorer. JR’s strength is scoring. Him shooting under the 40s in his second year is as relevant as Williams’ TO numbers.
And who said Williams is better than Smith RIGHT NOW? I thought we were comparing their performances as SECOND YEAR players. You keep being dishonest. I jsut told you that if you point out to their numbers as 2nd yr players, include rebounding and assist averages, too, not just scoring (which Smith is better at than Williams) and TO (which is one of Williams’ main weaknesses… of course JR won’t turn over the ball as often since he isn’t a facilitator looking to set up his teammates). LMAO @ pointing out to total numbers instead of averages. Keep up with the intellectual dishonesty. Heck, even this season Williams had better rebds and assists numbers per mintue played than Smith. I was just telling you to post everything, not just the numbers that help make your case.
And Williams didn’t have 61 DNP CD. There were a lot of games where he was injured (both in NJ & HOU). And again, Adelman didn’t like to play him, but there’s a reason why they let him go. Think about why they let him go. Go search what was reported about it.
You defend Smith and didn’t like that SIC said he’d take TWill over him, well I was just pointing out to the fact that Smith himself was riding the pine as a sophomore, too. No one is saying Williams is a better player NOW, but it’d make more sense to believe in him, as a 2nd yr player with some upside, than Smith, who is nothing special after 7 years in the league and who is a true headcase. People say Williams is a headcase, then Idk what you could call Smith, smh.
by Andres B on Jun 15, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and there's no conspiracy theory
but you have to wonder how many minutes would Smith play on a Rockets team that has Kevin Martin in his position. let alone as a 2nd yr player.
I wish we still had TWill and Courtney Lee. It would be a great lineup IMO.
Deron, Lee, TWill, Hump, Brook.
Net Income kind of mentions that there are things we don’t know about TWill that make him way more of a problem child than we know, but I can only go on the info we have. He is childish, was late, and needs to get his act together, but it’s his what? 3rd year? Ron Artest went from drinking at games and hitting fans to winning awards. Zach Randolph turned it around. I believe in TWill…JR Smith, 7 years in? Still the same guy, still not an all-star, still not a winner, not worth the time IMO.
by SadNetsFan on Jun 15, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
@ Andres
6.98 PER. You havent addressed it. Its a overall value scoring, rebounding and Assists. We were talking about JR 2nd year. How bout his 1st year when he score in double figures. And TWill is 23. JR was 20 when he was in his 2nd year.
JR’s was 23 in 08-09 and put up 15.2 ppg 3.6 reb 2.8 apg
That would be the more fair comparison.
YOU LOSE ANDRES give it up. Im bored shoot holes through your biased logic
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 15, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
PER also says Kevin Love is more productive than Dirk Nowitzki, Chris Paul, Kevin Durant Derrick Rose, Kobe Bryant, etc, your point?
We were talking about JR 2nd year. How bout his 1st year when he score in double figures.
Yeah, a guy who is supposed to be a scorer averaged 10 ppg on under .400 from the field, what a great season he had!
And how about when Williams was a rookie and did things others had never done (1st player who is 23 or under to ever record a TD in a win coming off the bench… as a ROOKIE!… first Net to ever record a TD coming off the bench… and he did it as a ROOKIE!) Go search how many rookies have been able to average 14-6-5 over a 22+ game span like Williams did…
That would be the more fair comparison.
No, not really. Experience in the league is more importante than age when talking about developing your game. IMO.
Jennings didn’t go to college and sucked in Europe, yet he had a great rookie season in the NBA.
YOU LOSE ANDRES
Great! Congratulations, you win!
Maybe TWill will let you hold the pliers to pull the spilinters out of him from riding the pine
PER also says Kevin Love is more productive than Dirk Nowitzki, Chris Paul, Kevin Durant Derrick Rose, Kobe Bryant, etc, your point?
Every player you listed is a very good too great player. Love belongs in that group. TWill is on the list with Jason Collins, Outlaw and all the other scrubs in the NBA. My point is that you overlook the fact that TWill is rated amoung the worst players in the league
Conversley JR Smith is consitantly above the average NBA player which is 15.
JR came in straight from High School. At the same age he is a much better player then TWill. In his 2nd season he was better. The only place he isnt better then TWill is in you head.
Go search how many rookies have been able to average 14-6-5 over a 22+ game span like Williams did
Help me out. Where can I go to find 22 game stretches stats?
And how about when Williams was a rookie and did things others had never done (1st player who is 23 or under to ever record a TD in a win coming off the bench… as a ROOKIE!… first Net to ever record a TD coming off the bench… and he did it as a ROOKIE!)
Pop the bubbley. TWill had one good game since being in the NBA. What about the other 163 games?
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 15, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
in 2009, TWill’s PER was higher than DJ Augustin, Andres Nocioni, Shane Battier, Jeff Teague, Aaron Afflalo, Dahntay Jones, C.J Miles, Jodie Meeks, Mario Chalmers, Chris Duhon, Nick Young, Rasual Butler, Thabo Sefolosha, James Posey, and DeShawn Stevenson.
In 2010, some guys that fell below the “league average” of a 15 PER were:
Reggie Williams, TMAC, Carl Landry, Vince Carter, Marcus Camby, Nic Batum, Barea, DeAndre Jordan, Grant Hill, Wilson Chandler, Stephen Jackson, George Hill, Matt Barnes, Mike Dunleavy, Jeff Teague, DeMarcus Cousins, DeMar DeRozan, Nick Young, Jason Kidd, Tyreke Evans (OK, that can go on forever)
Guys with under double digit PER:
DeShawn Stevenson, Mickael Pietrus, Mike Miller, Brian Cardinal, Al-Farouq Aminu, Kendrick perkins, Greivis Vasquez, Derek Fisher, Wayne Ellington, Quentin Richardson, Raja Bell, Jared Jeffries, Joel Anthony, Johnny Flynn, Xavier Henry, Rasual Butler, Ronnie Price.
Gortat had a higher PER than Rondo…so did Earl Boykins (who also had a higher PER than Marc Gasol, Andrew Bogut, Kyle Lowry, Marcus Thornton, Andrei Kirilenko, James Harden and Gerald Wallace.
TWill is not perfect. He may not ever even be a good player in the NBA…but he obviously showed potential numerous times throughout his career, and hasn’t been given the opportunity to showcase himself. That is probably his fault (read: most likely, eh, even definitely his fault) but if he can mature and just get along with his coach he has the ability to thrive in the league (not like in JRs case where it has been 7 years and he has killed someone with a car and then after that STILL gotten traffic violations)
Again, I’m not saying TWill is good, or will be good, or wasn’t a headcase (NI mentions that we don’t have all the info of his idiocy all the time) but every time Andre brings him up, he gets bashed. The guy had potential, it wouldn’t be crazy if he turned it around…it hasn’t been 7 years and a dead friend or anything.
by SadNetsFan on Jun 15, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
STILL got traffic violations. lock him up he is a menace to society.
Most people on this board could have had that accident. Was there criminal intent for JR to crash his car and kill his best friend? Of couse not. If that was Jimmer Fredette instead of Smith the public would have been alot more sympothetic. Because Smith is percieved as thugish he was crucified in the press. When I make a list of heinous crimes like Murder (Ray Lewis), Rape (Kobe), Drug trafficing (ZBo), i dont put reckless driving on the list because Smith ran a stop sign.
I could see more fault on his part for the gang text but even that was overblown. Just this year John Wall was seen giving gang signs during a game. Alot of NBA players are from the inner city and are influenced by that culture. That doesnt make them criminals.
Smith has had run ins with Scott and Karl but still has produced. Scott (Kidd) and Karl (Payton) are known to be overbearing with their players. Smith has shown, unlike TWill, that he has all star talent. A change of scenerey and a coaching staff that can keep him focused is all he needs. Avery did a good job with Josh Howard when he was in Dallas I dont see why he couldnt with JR. Smith is a plus ball handler, Shoots well, can score off the dribble, has a 40 inch vertical, rebounds well for a guard, has good size for a guard, is young, etc…., etc…… There is alot of upside there plus he has produced for a playoff team. Denver fans love him and dont want him to leave. Ill take him any day.
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 15, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Reckless driving
is serious business. As shows the fact that it cost his friend’s life. They didn’t send him to jail for no reason.
And no Smith has not shown he has all star talent. He has shown (based on a PRETTY big 7 yr sample) that he is nothing but a bench player.
Josh Howard was a starter (which Smith isn’t) and an All Star.
And Denver fans may not love him as much as you’re trying to tell us. Some weeks ago I posted a poll conducted by the Denver Post and it showed 60% of Nuggets fans (among 60,000 who voted said they should let this buffoon go.
Reckless driving is right up there with genoside
We need to stop it at all cost
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 15, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Sarcasm
I have gotten a reckless driving ticket before. It was about as serious as jay walking.
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 15, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a cool personal experience … he killed someone
by SadNetsFan on Jun 15, 2011 11:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Accidents happen
If I dont put my seatbelt on and my friend gets into an accident then its my fault.
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 15, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Accidents do happen, but…
Smith is no stranger to traffic citations. It has been reported that his driver’s license has been suspended 5 times in less than a year. He has been previously charged with 8 different violations on 7 different dates between April 22, 2005 and January 10, 2006.
So he is a bad driver
Who is resposible for putting their seatbelt on the driver or the passenger? Bad driving doesnt equal criminal intent. Can you find the driving record for the Nets roster for last year. Im currious to see how many criminals we have on the team.
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 21, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
First off, read Sadnetsfan post (awesome). A lot of your points are countered there.
Second, no Kevin Love’s name doesn’t belong next to Pau’s, nor Durants, nor Nowitzki’s, etc.
Every player is a different story. Lebron came in straight from HS. So did Kwame Brown. So did Kevin Garnett. So did Tyson Chandler. So did Tracy McGrady. So did some of the biggest draft busts. And some of the biggest stars in the league. So some are talented enough to make the leap and still contribute from day 1 and didn’t need to go to college.
Where would you say a player learns more: in the NBA having 20 minutes from day 1 or in college? Age isn’t more important than the years of experience you have in the NBA. IMO.
And sorry to tell you Williams didn’t have just one good game.
And finally, basketballreference is your friend.
Again, Smith was lucky to go to a team where he could find the PT right away. In his rookie season the guys he had to fight against to get minutes were bums like Matt Freije, Casey Jacobsen, Alex Garcia, etc
If Smith were on this year’s Rockets NOW he would be a 15 mpg guy at best… if he was in his 2nd year he wouldn’t sniff the court, just like Williams.
And again, there’s a reason why HOU let Adelman go.
I can't believe how much space is taken up
by arguing about Twill!
He’s gone, it doesnt make a difference whether he is a potential all-star or lazy undisciplined slacker…..we all know he has skills clearly……but what is the point anymore???
Can we just let it go already
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jun 15, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Andres does this all the time
I know I should be the bigger person and let it go but Im bored and its enjoyable pointing out someone is wrong and they cant handle it.
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 15, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah you have been proven right
with all this per nonsense
comparing JR to actual starters and proven All Star player
trying to make it seem as if JR killing that person is not that big of a deal
saying Nugs fan love this buffoon despite big sized polls among Nugs fns saying they should let him go.
Actually I only compared JR to TWill
You did the rest
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 15, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
You said you think Avery
can do with JR what he did with Howard. Howard was an ALl-Star under Avery. Am I missing something?
Yes I compared Avery handling players
Where is the comparison from Smith to Howard? DUHHHHHH
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 15, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Not wearing a seatbelt killed that person
Im sure I would be dead too if I hadnt been wearing my seatbelt when my friend crashed. I wouldnt call him a criminal
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 15, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
TWill played on one of the worse teams in NBA history and didnt get playing time til the end of the season.
Smith played on a playoff team and was their 3rd leading scorer. Im sure he would have gotten alot of minutes on Hou.
Dont let facts get in the way of your opinion Andres.
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 15, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Smith can play the 2 and nothing but the 2
how do you think he would have gotten minutes with Kevin Martin there? And with guys like Lee and Brooks also having minutes at the 2? Smith as a 2nd yr player would have found absolutely no PT on that squad, even now he wouldn’t play more than 15 mpg on that team at the very best.
Also, Smith in his rookie season played on a 18 Hornet team, but hey he averaged 10 ppg on under .400 shooting from the floor, he is great, RIGHT???
PER says Ryan Anderson, Lou Williams, Birdman, Sessions >>>>>>>>>>>> Noah, Boozer, M. Ellis, Eric Gordon, T. Chhandler, D. Granger, R. Gay, R. Rondo, M. Gasol, G. Wallace, etc
Spare me.
Congrats Andres
I see you have highjacked another post. Your the only person who thinks TWill is good. All stats suggest otherwise. Multiple teams have benched him. The only place he ever excelled was in the Summer league and D league.
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 15, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
According to PER
JR > Ray Allen, James Harden.
Answer this question: Wjo would you rather take? Does Smith’s name belong next to Ray’s?????
PER says
Ramon Sessions > Jason Kidd.
I ask you the same question again: does his name belong next to JKidd’s (even a 38 yr old one= Who would rather take and who do you think would help you win more?
Give me an example of someone's PER who is DOUBLE the other persons
Then maybe I would listen to you.
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 15, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Perkins is overrated.
All he does is foul people.
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 15, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus he came back off of injury this year
His per is usually in the 13’s
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 15, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
No offense but my girl know more about basketball then you
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 15, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry man
You kinda lost the entire argument
with all your PER bull. But the guy is gone, and the least I can say is I hope we get somebody else instead of Smith because he won’t get us anywhere. Look at his resume he isn’t very good to be blunt other can his streaky scoring, and athleticism, I’d rather take my chances and let Morrow start if all we want is someone who can score with no passion to play defense. He scores more, has a better %, and well he’s not worth 5mill for 4 years. If we were to get him 2 years would be max and 4mill would be max.
Look elsewhere King please, a risk I’d be more than willing to take is Brooks starting at least he hasn’t went to jail, or skipped practices… Or maybe theres something I don’t know…
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not gonna lie, i thought he was the man too!
Before last season i was bragging to people that twill would be a nightmare for opposing D’s…..but whatever happened happened, now it’s time to move on!!!!!!
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jun 15, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you Angelo. I think we should move on from the whole TWill saga. The only thing is, if we are allowed to discuss everything else about the Nets’ past (I mean, there is a whole post about Nets history) then I think Andres should be able to bring up the TWill trade (or TWill in general) without getting bashed like he is an idiot.
Every time Andres mentions anything, someone feels the need to go “OH YOU BITTER TWILL BLAH BLAH IDIOT RAH LOL”…like, come on already.
understood....and i cant lie
everytime i see 20 straight comments going back and forth i dont even bother reading them, cause i dont understand what the argument is…so im not informed enough to tell one specific person hey drop the twill stuff….i just think it’s moot at this point…he coulda been awesome, he may still turn out awesome, but he wont be awesome or UNawesome for us and at this point he cant be our concern
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jun 16, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Everytime you see 20 straight post....
Its usually Andres arguing with someone
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 21, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
SIC....u cant say this wouldnt be a solid team
JR or someone else….this would be an ultra competitive team….not championship caliber, but would leave room to become championship caliber….that’s essentially what we want isnt it….to make improvements to be a playoff team next year and ultimately still be able to make a huge move for the following one?
This obviously all gets thrown out the window if we get dwight
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Jun 13, 2011 5:53 PM EDT reply actions
I dont know about that.
NO 3pt sharp shooters. Teams would collapse in the paint and let people take shots outside.
Dont say JR Smith is our shooting solutions.
Morrow needs to be a keeper. I dont think he should start but I dont think he needs to be traded unless it is a deal breaker for Howard.
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I guess 39% isnt good enough on 3pt% to be a shooter
Lets hold up making the team better because we have to make sure we get 20 minutes a game for our backup SG who doesnt contribute unless someone gets him open as he camps out at the 3pt line and doesnt work through screens to get a shot. Yeah he is untouchable unless we get Howard.
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 14, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
When it comes to JR Smith
there is nothing you can say to change my mind.
Morrow isnt a good defender but I would rather have him the JR Smith.
The love for this guy is unbelievable. This guy couldnt Start on Denver why do people think he should start on the Nets? If he was so good he should have started ahead of Affalo. He should have been in the starting lineup when AI was there.
Please stop with this JR Smith to the NETS Nonsense. It doesnt make any sense.
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by SIC One on Jun 14, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
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Morrow needs to be a keeper. I dont think he should start but I dont think he needs to be traded unless it is a deal breaker for Howard.
well said
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Are you guys serious?
Petro and Graham, two of the worst players in the NBA for Martell Webster. The Wolves already have a ton of big guys, why would they want one who sucks? Why would they want Graham?
Webster is going to be buried on the Wolves if they get Williams
PF
Love
Williams
Randolph
Beasley
SF
Beasley
Williams
Wes Johnson
Webster
Their glut of PFs is going to force them to play Beasley and Williams at SF. Wes Johnson needs his minutes also and he isnt very good at the 2. All they have at center is Darko and as good as Love is at rebounding, he gives up to much height to play at center in the West. Petro is a legit 7 footer and Graham’s contract isnt guaranteed so they could wipe that off the books this year. That trade is a no brainer
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 13, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Everything I've seen and heard before.
But Martell Webster is new, and I like that guy. Not sure if I want to lose Damion James and Morrow, but freeing up capspace and having someone who is athletic (finally) sounds great. In fact I don’t mind having him start.
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I think the Nets can get Diaw for way cheaper than what you've proposed.
Diaw is a remnant of the former Larry Brown era Bobcats, he does not fit into what they’re currently trying to do and they have a logjam at PF with Diaw, Thomas, DJ White and Najera all playing primarily the 4. Considering how cheap Michael Jordan is and his desire to go young and rebuild. I’m pretty sure you could probably get Diaw for a TPE and 3 million cash, maybe you would have to throw in a 2nd rounder, but I wouldn’t do more than that. I understand you want to get rid of Farmar and Morrow’s contracts, but that’s giving up too much just for Diaw.
Here’s what I would do. This is all dependent on the new CBA including a super amnesty clause, which seems likely considering both the owners and NBPA like the idea.
Buyout w/ Super Amnesty: Travis Outlaw
Trade: TPE and 3 million cash for Boris Diaw
Trade: Johan Petro and Jordan Farmar for James Posey and a 2011 second round pick
Draft:
27 Tyler Honeycutt
36 Jeremy Tyler
42 David Lighty
Sign: Andrei Kirilenko to 2 years 4 million (Proky should work some magic over in Russia to compensate Kirilenko for taking such a drastic paycut) (2.16, 1.84)
Re-sign: Kris Humphries to 4 years 24 million (6.00, 5.52, 6.00 6.48
Sign: Jason Collins 2 years 3.5 million (1.89, 1.61)
2011-12 roster
PG: Deron Williams – Sundiata Gaines
SG: Anthony Morrow – David Lighty
SF: Andrei Kirilenko – Damion James – Tyler Honeycutt – James Posey
PF: Kris Humphries – Boris Diaw
C: Brook Lopez – Jason Collins – Jeremy Tyler
This lineup is weak at SG but pretty strong everywhere else. You also have a total of nearly 17 million in expiring contracts of Posey and Diaw which will be useful in a mid-season trade for Howard or a different impact player.
Salaries going into the 2012 offseason:
Deron Williams – 17. 78 (don’t kid yourself, he’s going to pick up that option, it’s too much money to let go, and most likely he won’t be able to sign for that much in the new CBA)
Kris Humphries – 5.52
Anthony Morrow – 4.00
Andrei Kirilenko – 1.84
Jason Collins – 1.61
Damion James – 1.32
Tyler Honeycutt – 1.03
Total: 31.78 million
The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
Draft Nikola Vucevic
We need more scoring. I was thinking something like this but the scoring is too weak
-Honeycutt isnt ready to play and has been performing poorly in pre-draft workouts. Brooks is a 22 year old Senior and a superior scorer
- Morrow Kirilenko and Hump are all weak side offensive players. We need players like JR, Brooks, Crawford and maybe even Stuckey to initiate the offense
- I dont think there is going to be a player amensity. It punishes the teams who we dillegent in their aquisitions
- Webster is still only 24. If he exceeds expectations then we could pick up the 2nd year that is a team option
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 13, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
While the lineup isn't incredible, it's realistic and I believe would make the playoffs.
You can take our Honeycutt and replace him with whoever you like at that pick instead if you have no faith in him. My belief is that Marshon Brooks will be long gone at 27.
Morrow would be an adequate stop gap at SG until you can find a real scorer for your starting 2 guard. Morrow is a lights out shooter which will force the defenses to stay honest instead of doubling Lopez/Deron because the price will be too high with an open Morrow.
Kirilenko would mainly be there for defense, but he can still provide some nights of offensive bursts.
We must agree to disagree about the amnesty clause then. I believe it will happen, especially if the owners are really pushing for a salary cap reduction or implementation of a hard cap, teams will need some way to offload their ugly contracts. The players are ok with it because their guys still get paid but there’s more cap space to go around to more worthy players than the ones who just got bought out.
As a Portland fan, Webster will always for me be nothing but disappointment. We traded out of picking Deron Williams or Chris Paul for Martell freaking Webster… He’s an inconsistent shooter that plays solid D and has absolutely no handles, take him for what he is and you should be alright.
The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
Draft Nikola Vucevic
We would be trading upto 19 to take Brooks in my post.
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 13, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, my mistake I forgot that part.
I don’t see that happening though. Jordan wants to be acquiring young guys through the draft not trading picks away. And Diaw is a solid player on a bloated yet expiring contract, it’s not like he has to give away a pick to make somebody take Diaw’s EC.
The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
Draft Nikola Vucevic
I read that they are looking to trade that pick for a couple of vets
They already have the 9th pick
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 13, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
We would be very balanced at every position
Defensive type players
C Tyler
PF Hump
SF AK47
SG Lee
PG DWill, Gaines
Offensive type players
C Lopez
PF Diaw
SF Webster
SG Smith, Brooks
PG DWill
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 13, 2011 7:01 PM EDT reply actions
Diaw is a pretty solid defender.
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Diaw is solid at pretty much everything
But great at nothing.
The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
Draft Nikola Vucevic
Wow it is so weird you posted this. I was just thinking that we should go after Martell Webster (although I don’t think that trade would net him)
You dont think we could get him. I think he is expendable at this point to the Wolves
There is almost a zero % chance he will get meaningfull minutes if he stays. Both he and Petro are young underachieving backups plus they save around a mil off of the cap this year after they renounce Graham’s non guaranteed contract.
C Darko 7’, Pekovic 6’11"
PF Love 6’10", Randolph 6’11"
SF Beasley 6’10", Derrick Williams 6’9", Wes Johnson 6’7", Webster 6’7"
As you can see Webster is the odd man out and Petro would be an upgrade at backup C
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 13, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the Wolves have piled a nice set of assets, and while someone may be expendable as far as playing time, they still have value around the league. While the Wolves might not have a space for Webster, I believe he could net more than what was offered. I still think the Nets have the assets to get him though, just not through that specific scenario.
webster and johnson can also play the two guard
C: Darko, pekovic, koufos love randolph
PF Love Randolph Beasley Williams, hayward
SF beasley, williams, webster, johnson, hayward
SG johnson, webster, ellington
PG ridnour, flynn, teflair
as you see they have two glaring holes in the roster. webster is not a given lock to stay but he is much better than ellington. flynn and teflair are all but out the door. darko is nothing better than a backup
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 15, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Webster and Johnson only play the 2 because they have too.
They are both pure SF’s.
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 15, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
lmao...
Any reason JR Smiths deal is 4/20….Im thinking of one
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by NetsMets4Life on Jun 13, 2011 8:25 PM EDT reply actions 10 recs
I dont see how we come anywhere close to having enough cap room for Dwight here. Maybe I missed something and if so…I apologize…but add in the cap holds for Deron, Brook and the open roster spots…and I dont see how we get there.
We arent getting Howard and Lopez
If we get Howard we are probably going to have to trade for him mid season ala Melo. The Expiring contracts of Diaw and Webster combined with Lopez’s contract matches up for a trade.
The most likely trade would be Lopez, Hump, Diaw and Webster for Howard and Turkoglu
Our lineup would then be
Howard, Tyler
AK47
Turkoglu, Outlaw
JR Smith, Brooks, M Lee
DWill, Gaines
We still need a PF but we would be in good shape going forward.
If we wait to sign Howard then we have to clear out a little more room
Lopez’s cap hold is 12.6 Mil.
Assume that Dwill picks up his option for 2012 which is 17.8 mil
Hump 7 Mil / 24.8 mil
Outlaw 7 Mil / 31.8
JR Smith 5 mil / 36.8
AK47 4 Mil / 40.8
Tyler & Brooks 2.8 Mil / 43.6 Mil without Lopez
We are probably going to have to dump Outlaw’s 7 Mil which will get us down to 36.6 Mil with 21.8 Mil in cap space to sign Howard.
2012 Lineup
C: Howard, Tyler
PF: Hump, 2012 Draft
SF: AK47, 2012 Draft
SG: JR Smith, Brooks
PG: DWill, Lee
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 14, 2011 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait a minute.
Who are you sir?
Official Member of the "DIDN'T WANT TO TRADE DERRICK FAVORS, BUT HAPPY WE GOT D. WILLIAMS" Movement
We might have a problem
If Howard says its Championship or leave, what does Williams says? Its very scary to think that D-Willz can be gone next year and leave this franchise competing for the basement of the NBA
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
The time is now, the iron is hot
Trade: Lopez, Morrow, James, Outlaw + picks for Dwight and Turk – Magic will require contract relief and lots of talent but this deal has to be done.
Trade: Petro + pick for some assets (to remove his contract)
Re-sign: Hump (PF/C)
Sign: Wilson Chandler (SF/SG), Marcus Thorton (SG/PG) – both are undervalued, supremely talented and have something to prove, especially WC in NYC!
Sign: AK47 (SF/PF), CJ Miles (SG/SF) – this patchwork-team needs some glue, these guys are perfect compliments and friends of DWill.
Sign: Carl Landry (PF) – more undervalued, under-appreciated talent who can come off the bench or start and always bring effort.
Sign: Dalembert © – a Billy King connection that would be great back-up to Dwight, who gets into foul-trouble often.
Concepts: 2 superstars, savvy veterans, undervalued talent, defensively focused and multi-position players (must-have for versatility and help-defense switches)
PG: DWill – Farmar – Gaines
SG: Thorton – CJ
SF: Chandler – Turk
PF: Hump – AK47
C: Dwight – Dalembert
This takes into account that most FAs are not realistic and the Nets will need to use their money wisely. This team is balanced, savvy and diverse. Fill in the blanks with whoever wants to fight for a ring with DWill n’ Dwight on the cheap.
I didnt know there wasnt going to be a salary cap. You forgot Chris Paul and Kevin Love
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 14, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
wow
my focus is on the type of players and choosing guys that are undervalued. I’m not shedding tears for Nets running out of room for some of those guys, but I don’t think my suggestions are so ridiculous to deserve that kind smug retort. I mean… it’s not like I’m suggesting signing JR Smith.
and...
if you really want to be smug – why not just admit next season will be locked out and Nets will have no chance to sign DWill because he’ll be joining Dwight in Dallas. That’s more realistic than anything any of us pontificate about.
Which player is undervalued
-Thorton and Chandler are restricted. That means anyone hoping to aquire them is going to have to OVERPAY for them.
-DWill and Howard are going to have max contracts so getting Thornton, Chandler, AK47 and Hump is impossible, especailly with Turk.
Lets do the Math and I will be generous with the FA signings
Howard 17.9 Mil
DWill 17.8 Mil
Turk 10.6 Mil
Hump 7 Mil
Chandler 7 Mil
Thornton 7 Mil
Dalembert 6 Mil
AK47 4 Mil
Farmar 4 Mil
CJ 3.7 Mil
Gaines .9 Mil
78.9 Mil TOTAL
Salary cap is 58 Mil
If I sound smug this is how what you suggested sounds
wEz BeEz gEtTiN D12 aNdZ ThOrnToN aNdZ cHaDlErZ aNdZ DaLeMbErTz aNdZ……
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 14, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lol, Dalembert? Willing to pay 6million for a back up when you have the best center...
Howard, Hump, Ak47, maybe JR, and Dwill is fine. Then just keep some cheap young guys. I like Webster though if given the minutes he’ll most likely out perform Kirilenko. The guy just isn’t himself anymore still productive, we just need athleticism. Cause Webster guarding Lebron sounds better than Kirilenko guarding him, well to me at least.
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didnt the mavs do that with haywood and chandler
although chandler cannot produce offensively like brook i would say besides bogut and howard he is the best defensive center in the game right now
3 mil for petro or 6 mil for dalembert? proven bigs i dont mind paying for. dalembert was dropping like 20 and 15 on numerous occasions. plus i dont want him ending up on boston, new york, miami, philly, or atlanta.
if we have to pay him that to back up lopez and not start on any of those aforementioned teams i am all for it
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 15, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess you have a point, but what if this is the repercussion of paying the extra 3 mill
Under the cap 3 mill instead of 6mill and left without a starting sg. That leaves us few options. I agree its actually a pretty good idea, but why go Dalembert and ruin our cap space and maybe our chances at getting a better starter when we can go cheaper with Nazr Mohammed? Or dirt cheap with Boone? Or free with Mbenga, I kid I kid.
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because nazi aint bringin the same impact dalembert can. i dont want him fortifying the frontcourt of another eastern power
here are some of points/rebounds totals after all-star break when they traded landry for thornton and westphal started him and platooned cousins and thompson next to him
18 and 15 against phoenix
18 and 13 against miami
18 and 10 against charlotte
27 and 16 against golden state
16 and 10 against cleveland
26 and 17 against minnesota
11 and 12 against milwaukee
16 and 10 against indy
13 and 19 against philly
10 and 12 against denver
21 and 15 against houston
12 and 10 against san antonio
17 and 16 against memphis
16 and 18 against LA
this is from mid-february til the end of the season. he’s not going to get 12 mil a year but hopefully king can convince him to take a moderate paycut and play as the first big off the bench
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 15, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds good
He could slide to PF and dominate next to Lopez time to time.
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A Good Plan....
I like this plan, and hope that at least some of it actually comes true. But of all of it, I still hate to lose Morrow. I think Morrow still has an upside, and if he can stay healthy and progress, I think he would be an excellent sixth man on a playoff team. Also….I think HUMPH ends up costing us 6Mil Per, and I would sign him for 4-5 years. AND I think Outlaw has a comeback season, and Brook will flouish with DWILL feeding the post.
I think if Billy King can make some moves, this will be a good year. GO NETS!
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Shannon brown
Why jr smith why not Shannon brown. Good defender decent shooter uber athlete.
Then go after Wilson Chandler. Now you have a solid starting 5
Brook
Hump (resign)
Chandler
Brown
Williams
Stop bringing bums Martell Webster please lol
I can see you didnt read the post
Webster has an expiring contract. The whole point of the post was to “CLEAR CAP SPACE FOR 2012 AND BEING COMPETITIVE IN 2011”. How would signing Chandler for the 8-9 Mil do that. We can get AK and JR for the same price.
We need a guard who can initiate offense through pick and roll but who can also shoot when DWill passes him the ball.
-Afflallo cannot do that. More of a complimentary offensive player.
-S Brown cannot do that. Poor ball handler and passer.
-Thornton cost to much for such a small sample size.
- Stuckey – I like him but his outside shot is below average
- J Rich. Maybe
- Crawford. IMO best option availible at SG but he is going to cost alot.
- JR Smith – Wont cost as much as Crawford and is alot younger. Can shoot of the dribble as well as catch and shoot. Can drive to the basket. Good passer. He also rebounds well for a guard.
- Marshon Brooks – He is a younger version of Crawford. If we get Brooks and Smith we get the two best options at SG that are availible.
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 15, 2011 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Really? Bgayle you said Martell Webster is a bum... sigh
J Rich – HELL NO
Shannon Brown – Not a bad idea, I really haven’t heard that before I would really like his athleticism and his 3pt shot is really getting better. Sorry to bring Twill again but hes sort of like him with a better shot, just not as good rebounding or passing. But I like him definitely worth looking at.
Afflalo – Most people would agree that he is the best option at sg for us. Defense, and offense thats just as good I can’t complain about much with this guy.
Stuckey – No thanks
Crawford – Perhaps 2nd best option but price is always an issue
JR Smith – 3rd option. Once again theres some +’s and -’s but theres a lot better out there than him
Brooks – Get him nao. Nuff said
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Brooks and Afflalo the best options what are you talking about?
Why are you so in love with Smith?
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by Nets 12-70 on Jun 15, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
*are
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M. Redd?
ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
RT @ralphb07 I just wonder what Redd has left … He was in FANTASTIC shape at the end of the season.
me too
hopefully the bobcats or cavs let us know next season
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jun 15, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
You wouldnt give Redd the Vet Min this year with a 2nd year option just to kick the tires?
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Jun 15, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd do it. A better question is Yao Ming?
Is he really done? I dont know how in the world the man could be worse than Petro off the bench lol.
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Beasley
Beasley would be a great fit here. I’m not the biggest Beasley fan, but we really regret not trading Dooling for him. That ended up being a major blunder.
Farmar+Morrow for Beasley Works
Add some cash and or picks and I don’t see how they can deny that. They are most likely getting Derrick Williams and they only have Ellington as their SG. Johnson and Webster are both primarily SF’s and Flynn is probably going to be gone so they’ll need a back up.
If not add James and add Flynn still not a bad trade.
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They still have Ridenour. I say we give them Morrow and Petro for Beasley and Webster.
They save about 3 mil, get a back up center and a SG.
We play Webster at SG and Beasley at SF.
They should know Petro sucks. I don't think 3 million they save would warrant them to give up Webster like that.
Maybe a straight up Morrow for Beasley would actually work.
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I like your thinking on #2, but
I think a Morrow+Farmar+James package can fetch us something better in the short term. Remember, we want to be competitive so DWill doesn’t bolt. There are other expiring contracts that are likely on the block & could provide more than Diaw. Hinrich & Beasley are two that come to mind right away.
Hinrich? No, Deron can get his 40 minutes, and Gaines can get his 8. Theres absolutely no need to pay 5mill plus for a bench pg getting minimum minutes.
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Hinrich & DWill can both start
Hinrich can play off the ball offensively, and either, moreso DWill, can match up defensively with most opposing SGs.
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