"Billy's been great. He has some ideas that I'm not going to tell you about."
by bus_driver20 on Jun 11, 2011 7:56 PM EDT
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PrintThat quote by Avery got our heads turning a little bit. We all know it starts with the draft. And I was gazing the league to see the players not being shopped but may be available as well as the Nets having the assets to obtain.
- Marvin Williams: It looks like he may have regressed last season but he's still very young at 24 years old. He'd be able to split time at the 3/4 and fit the uptempo game the Nets strive to play.
- Anderson Varejao: As bad as the Cavs were last year, they actually outscored their opponents when this guy was on the floor. As much as I hate the guy when the Nets are playing the Cavs, he's a player that I wish I could root for. Could come off the bench as the 4/5.
- Charlie Villanueva: The stretch 4 type that would fit nicely next to Brook. The defense isn't always strong but he played pretty well when I traded for him in NBA2K11. Although he hasn't shown enough to be sold on, I'm curious if he'd play up to his potential if he played in the right system and with a better set of teammates.
- Ben Gordon: Has fallen off the map since going to Detroit. We know he can still shoot the basketball. The key is that he hasn't defended as well since leaving Chicago. Like Villanueva, I think he'd improve just by a change of scenery.
- Rashard Lewis: His salary is enormous. We'd have to trade away a lot of our role player to make it work. But the guy can still put the ball in the basket. And even though he's aging, he'll last longer just because his game revolves around his jumpshot and height as opposed to his athleticism. Having played with Dwight, and being a key reason they went to the Finals, might also pose an advantage.
- Brandon Roy: The Blazers are reportedly asking Roy to retire so they don't have to pay him. It was only a small glimpse but the guy played well when motivated during the playoffs. He'd be able to start, unlike his current situation, and would be playing with a PG that can shoot the ball (playing with Andre Miller created headaches for him because Miller couldn't spot up, they gave the ball for him more than they should have). Once the BYC stipulation ends, Roy might be had for the right price.
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You’ve just compiled the top list of players the Nets should avoid. Well done.
WHEN YOU DESCRIBE the prototypical NBA center, he is not complete without superlative size, strength and athleticism. He’ll fight for the tough rebounds in the trenches, but is just as quick to burn you with a shot from 15 feet.
Johan Petro possesses all of these skills and more, and at a mere 23 years of age, he bears all the promise of fulfilling his vast potential.
by i says on Jun 11, 2011 8:03 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
You think we should avoid someone like Brandon Roy?
by bus_driver20 on Jun 11, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
um, yeah
he has no knees. It’s just my opinion but that’s something i would probably avoid. Not like knees are important or anything though,…
WHEN YOU DESCRIBE the prototypical NBA center, he is not complete without superlative size, strength and athleticism. He’ll fight for the tough rebounds in the trenches, but is just as quick to burn you with a shot from 15 feet.
Johan Petro possesses all of these skills and more, and at a mere 23 years of age, he bears all the promise of fulfilling his vast potential.
If you’ve seen him play he’s never been reliant upon his explosion to score. And yes, I’d take my chances on him rather than Outlaw over the next 4 years.
by bus_driver20 on Jun 11, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll take Outlaw
WHEN YOU DESCRIBE the prototypical NBA center, he is not complete without superlative size, strength and athleticism. He’ll fight for the tough rebounds in the trenches, but is just as quick to burn you with a shot from 15 feet.
Johan Petro possesses all of these skills and more, and at a mere 23 years of age, he bears all the promise of fulfilling his vast potential.
If roy is bought out by Portland
Would you take Outlaw over Roy still?
Taking outlaw over anyone is crazy….
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WHEN YOU DESCRIBE the prototypical NBA center, he is not complete without superlative size, strength and athleticism. He’ll fight for the tough rebounds in the trenches, but is just as quick to burn you with a shot from 15 feet.
Johan Petro possesses all of these skills and more, and at a mere 23 years of age, he bears all the promise of fulfilling his vast potential.
Do the research on Brandon Roy
Doctors have already said if u limit his minutes to under 25 a game he might have 2 years left in his career. Key word being “MIGHT”
+1
With the exception of maybe Varejo. Only one I would take a chance on
by KingofDenial on Jun 11, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really a bad list
but its not that great either. The only proven player is Ben Gordon. Not to knock Roy, but he might not have a successful NBA career, but there is no guarantee that he only has 2 years left. But I think the Nets should just focus on a SF, and a back up big. We joke abotu Petro alot, but its another useful body that can be used for 6 fouls and that 15 foot jumper he loves.
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by Shameer1016 on Jun 12, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
That is
by far, one of the worst lists i’ve ever seen.
by NetsKiNG on Jun 11, 2011 8:13 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
About the list
Realize that these trades were utilizing the contract of Travis Outlaw. Unless you see value in him that I don’t, we won’t be getting the world in return. There’s a reason I don’t have superstars listed above.
We're all about 95% certain..
An Amnesty Clause will rid us of Outlaw forever.
More like Santa Clause
by KingofDenial on Jun 11, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
If this list were a poll
Dr. J~Super Buck~Draz~JKidd~Deron
by NJ4Life on Jun 11, 2011 8:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I started cracking up when i this
WHEN YOU DESCRIBE the prototypical NBA center, he is not complete without superlative size, strength and athleticism. He’ll fight for the tough rebounds in the trenches, but is just as quick to burn you with a shot from 15 feet.
Johan Petro possesses all of these skills and more, and at a mere 23 years of age, he bears all the promise of fulfilling his vast potential.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE
who? HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHEHEHEHE
i just translated that for you
Brook Lopez is the MAN!
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I don't really hate Outlaw, its just fun to make fun of him
by netsareboss on Jun 12, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
its actually woooooo
from all the laughing
WHEN YOU DESCRIBE the prototypical NBA center, he is not complete without superlative size, strength and athleticism. He’ll fight for the tough rebounds in the trenches, but is just as quick to burn you with a shot from 15 feet.
Johan Petro possesses all of these skills and more, and at a mere 23 years of age, he bears all the promise of fulfilling his vast potential.
no he says who
im pretty sure
Brook Lopez is the MAN!
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I don't really hate Outlaw, its just fun to make fun of him
Well I liked the quote information, I didnt knew Avery has said that...
…Billy King loves to make some noise on the drafts, so I’m expecting something from him.
DWill all the way to the Finals!! some day, very close...
I actually wouldn't mind Vareajo
or Marvin Williams on this team. Definitely if we can trade them for Outlaw.
If there's an amnesty clause
and Roy and Lewis get cut by their respective teams, I’d take them in a heartbeat as long as they don’t ask for too much money.
Why?
why is that you want to sign so many players who are past their prime. VC, Roy, and Lewis are average.
WHEN YOU DESCRIBE the prototypical NBA center, he is not complete without superlative size, strength and athleticism. He’ll fight for the tough rebounds in the trenches, but is just as quick to burn you with a shot from 15 feet.
Johan Petro possesses all of these skills and more, and at a mere 23 years of age, he bears all the promise of fulfilling his vast potential.
Because
They are better than some of the players on the Nets. So why not upgrade if it doesn’t cost much?
by fumblesnout on Jun 12, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
because they are vets and they know how to win, thats why
by RandyOreens on Jun 12, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Oh yeah?
Vince has never gone to the finals. Lewis never to the finals. Roy never to the finals. Maybe instead of focusing on getting “veteran help” and people who “know how to win” the Nets should go get players who are actually in there prime and ready TO win.
Or, if anything, get vets who have actually been playing in June and know what it’s like. Not past their prime stars who don’t play D and score inefficiently.
WHEN YOU DESCRIBE the prototypical NBA center, he is not complete without superlative size, strength and athleticism. He’ll fight for the tough rebounds in the trenches, but is just as quick to burn you with a shot from 15 feet.
Johan Petro possesses all of these skills and more, and at a mere 23 years of age, he bears all the promise of fulfilling his vast potential.
by i says on Jun 12, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well we can see how well you memory is
Lewis went to the Finals 2 years ago, Carter went to the ECF last year, and Roy is not that old when compared to others. I dont want any of them, but the way your talking, its like you can find a quality player on Ebay or Amazon.
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
His point:
They haven’t won and what else really matters at the end of the day? Especially when these players are now damaged goods.
Marion is productive
last i checked he was averaging 14 points and 6 boards in the finals.
Kidd is the glue of that team. Tremendous leader and floor general. Chandler i can’t say enough about. He gets every board, gives a vocal leader, fuels the defense and is a huge presence. I wish he were a Net.
And Peja hasn’t done anything productive to begin with, so no he doesn’t count.
Compared to the productivity of Carter, Lewis, and Roy i would take any of the 3 players mentioned over them. And BTW, these three players now have finals experience so that argument is neutralized as well.
WHEN YOU DESCRIBE the prototypical NBA center, he is not complete without superlative size, strength and athleticism. He’ll fight for the tough rebounds in the trenches, but is just as quick to burn you with a shot from 15 feet.
Johan Petro possesses all of these skills and more, and at a mere 23 years of age, he bears all the promise of fulfilling his vast potential.
His point is
before this finals nMarion, Peja, Chandler hadn’t been to the finals, should the Mavs have not added them because of that? Carter is one year removed from being the 2nd best player on a team that won 59 games and went to the conference finals, Lewis was a key starter on a team that made it to the finals a couple of years ago, Roy is an AllStar decimated by injuries (but who imo would be worth the risk). Guys like those would be solid additions as role playerss, nobody is saying those guys would come here and carry us (Roy would have the potential to be a great 2nd option if he was healthy).
He also was playing very solid for a team that was going to be a title contender this season
He was averaging 15-3-3 for the Magic this year before he got traded (while shooting a career high 47% from the field… and yes, they were a title contender until Otis screwed up, one of the reasons why ORL stopped being a title contender is that they made those 2 stupid trades). Funny that PHX had a better record after Carter made his Sun debut than that they had before.
Not only that
but once again, Carter eas undervalue. How the hell do you lose to the same Hawks team 4-1, that you swept last year?
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by Shameer1016 on Jun 13, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Would a guy like Marion
be that valuable to his team if he played on a lottery team, like say Washington? Was he that valuable for Toronto?
I don't know if you get my point
You can’t compare a healthy Kidd or Chandler to a banged up Roy, a one dimensional Lewis, or a no-D, all three Vince Carter.
If you ever asked me: Do you want hall of famer Jason Kidd on your team? i would say yes in a second.
If someone said: Would you consider taking Tyson Chandler to play for your team? I’d say yes for sure.
My point? Players like Kidd and Chandler have real, legit value, as highlighted by the Mavs finals run. IMO, Vince, Lewis, and Roy just don’t value up to the level of those players.
WHEN YOU DESCRIBE the prototypical NBA center, he is not complete without superlative size, strength and athleticism. He’ll fight for the tough rebounds in the trenches, but is just as quick to burn you with a shot from 15 feet.
Johan Petro possesses all of these skills and more, and at a mere 23 years of age, he bears all the promise of fulfilling his vast potential.
Wow.
I don’t think you realize the value of having
A. One of the best passers to ever live
B #3 on the three point shooting list of all time
C. A floor leader
D. A leader in general
You can’t just say he doesn’t score so he doesn’t have value.
Dwill/Thornton/AK47/Hump/Dwight
2011 NBA Champions-NJ Nets
They didnt go to the finals???
Quick sign DJ Mbenga he won twice!!
Because
No one wants to become a Net
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
No, some of you are way too close minded with the whole unrealistic lets get dwight + vc + kmart. This is actually very realistic and NOT bad at all. Now, don’t get me wrong, gordon and charlie v shouldn’t be considered at all. However, there is definitely magic to be made if we team up brandon roy and dwill, not likely, but if i had to take a risk on any player with bad knees it would be him. If we can shed some bad contracts on Rashard (idk how long his contract is, but i know its hefty which is okay if its not for 2+ more years) he can essentially be what we kept trying to do with outlaw at the 4. Varejao is one of the nba’s biggest floppers but he plays great pick and roll defense and is a high energy guy although, i think we have someone far superior in hump (assuming we get to resign him). Then of course, marvin williams who was a high lottery pick just needs a new system. I still believe in him.
For Outlaw, I would consider Marvin Williams and Gordon
Of course Varejao would be great, but he’d take a lot more to get.
Would not consider Roy or Lewis since they would bomb your cap space and flexibility without being a significant or dependable upgrade in talent.
i actually like Ben Gordon
when he was in the bulls and that year they played the celtics and went to OTs almost every game, Ben Gordon was so clutch.
We could use some of those players
But not with their current contracts. We need an amnesty clause first.
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8 > 3
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One thing about this list
I’d rather have all these guys than Outlaw. All of them.
And Varejao would be a coup. I don’t think Cleveland would ever give him up. Those are the kinds of guys that don’t do well on a bad roster, but make your team immediately better when you get one or two impact players. A frontline of Varejao/Kanter/Hickson would be great.
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Also, this post might seem silly,
But it’s not nearly as silly as posts calling for a back court pairing of Monta Ellis, or the acquisition of Nick Young.
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Out of everybody there, Marvin Williams is the worst. Even if some of those guys have injuries.
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Is a "stretch 4" the best kind of pf to pair with Lopez??
I’m not so sure…they need an athletic guy who rebounds and contests at the rim. Jeremy Tyler is that kind of an athlete but you can’t be certain his mind is in the right place. Just a thought but if the Cavs take Derrick Williams and see him as a PF is there a deal to be made with the Cavs for improving PF JJ. Hickson??
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