Mock Drafts Start To Show Patterns ...But Not For The Nets
by Net Income on May 31, 2011 8:20 AM EDT
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On the eve of the 2010 Draft, the consensus was that the Nets would take Derrick Favors and Jordan Crawford in the first round. That's actually how it turned out: Favors went at #3, where the Nets had their own pick, and Crawford went at #27, at the Mavs pick, then was traded along with #31 to Atlanta for Damion James.
This season's mocks, no matter how well intentioned, have been a mess, with some players 15 or 20 places apart in various mocks. Now, things are just starting to straighten out after the Pre-Draft Combine, but not for the Nets. A NetsDaily survey of the latest updates to the top nine mocks shows only two players, Kyle Singler of Duke and Tyler Honeycutt, a 6'8" swingman out of UCLA, on more than one one..
Some of the other names mentioned by one mock or another have been jumping in and out of the Nets boxes: Justin Harper, the 6'10" SF/PF out of Richmond; Davis Bertans, the 6'10" SF out of Latvia; Malcolm Lee, a 6'5" point guard out of UCLA. One thing seems certain: fan favorite Marshon Brooks is the fastest mover on the boards, with one mock putting him as high as #17...to the Knicks.
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With a draft this weak, There's no way to predict what's gonna happen outside the top 2
Since pretty much everyone is equal talent-wise. Jeremy Tyler could be picked anywhere from 15-40. And he’s not the only one you can say that about
I've also heard before that Josh Selby was supposedly not going to get past them at 17
Seems they want to solve the guard problem with the draft, they go after Dalembert in FA
I like the guards in this draft.
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Has him his best as Nick Young a player I don’t value at all. I was interested taking a risk with a late pick. Not worth it if he goes that high.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
Nogueira is interesting
DX has his best case as marcus camby. He could be a less physically developed Derrick Favors again. A guy with raw offensive skills, but a guy that has an incredible body and potential on defense.
Vucevic is interseting too, the Spurs reportedly like him. He could be kind of like Krstic if he pans out well. A solid 7 feet, with shooting range till 3 point range.
Should always be interested in player the spurs like
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
What, me worry?
I am going to tune out of all this draft guessing and enjoy JKIDD and the finals for the next three weeks, as I hope that this is going to be a long hard fought series. I am pulling for Dallas, as I am first and foremost, a JKIDD fan. Given the chance to “come back” as anybody, I would come back as JKIDD or Mark Jackson. AND talking about Mark Jackson, I don’t think he should take the Warrior’s top job. I love Mark, and think he is the best analyst on TV, but he has no coaching experience outside of being a high basketball IQ point guard for like 20 years. If he really wants to coach, he should take a two year job as an assistant under a really good coach, someone like Greg Pop or Doc RIvers.
Paul from Sunny Delray Beach, Florida
I want the Mavs to win
But for me, I think the Heat beat them. Perhaps in 7. The Mavs have not faced a defense as good as Miami’s for a while now. Sure, Dirk could still get 40 points, but LeBron and co. will have no problems shutting down Peja and Kidd and Terry and Barea. Without those guys, Dirk’s playing 1 on 3.
Can't knock a team that swept
the two time champs and then manhandled the thunder in 5. Also have perfect road record since the first round. My money’s on the mavs. They win 3/5 starting lineups,vastly superior bench and a better coach IMO.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
i just found this story at SLCDunk.com
It’s a good read, but has a strange, almost jilted vibe to it. They talk about deron williams like he chose to leave, and that he wasn’t one of the best players to ever wear a Jazz uniform…
they claim that deron runs a “single ball-handler only system” in which deron wins, while everyone around him loses. also, they make the presumption that deron cannot play on a team with more than one guard (himself), yet if we take a look at his college career: deron played alongside Luther Head and Dee Brown on that amazing final four run.
I have to rad the whole article later, but about 2 paragraphs in it seems like a bitter spiteful piece full of nonsense based on one created stat and theory.
I bet this guy used to slurp Deron night and day before this season and the trade.
Probably Utah SB’s Net Income. ;)
by vincecarter4pres on May 31, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Idk why, but I would welcome Singler with open arms, and hope that he pans out the way JJ did: Becomes a reliable shooter on the wing when put in the right offensive scheme. If Morrow thrived with Deron given their few games together, Singler could do the same in my eyes
The D-Will Factor is indeed underestimated
Singler is one of those guys who uses smarts to compensate for a lack of athleticism. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. Didnt work (yet) for Scottie Reynolds.
Singler will be out of the league or at the end of a bench within 3 seasons.
And he’ll put up decent raw stats his rookie year yet be an obvious negative to those who are unbiased and by advanced stats, which his fanboys will write off as a useless, biased mess.
Book it.
by vincecarter4pres on May 31, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Well played sir.
But that still isn’t the reason.
by vincecarter4pres on May 31, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I am losing interesst in this draft. Hopefullly King pulls some good bench help out of it.
by power_njerz on May 31, 2011 9:41 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I don't think this draft is totally weak
It’s just very flat. There are no 1 guys, but there are some 6-7 guys that can contribute to your roster and improve a team. For teams like the Nets with really crappy depth, that’s important.
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It hurts most for teams picking 6-10
They’re picking from guys that shouldn’t even be in the top 10 or even in the lottery in a regular draft
exactly
And the expectations that come with these guys are going to be absurd.
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by robertjamis on May 31, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Very good points made...
A weak draft hurts the “bad” teams that are counting on their lottery picks to bail them out.
Meanwhile teams with higher 10-40 might get equal or greater value in a weak draft.
" I would not be just a nothin' my head all full of stuffin', My heart all full of pain.
I would dance and be merry, life would be a ding-a-derry, If I only had a brain"
More like it helps the teams from maybe 8 to 23.
After that is going to terrible with a handful of NBA players selected.
And pick 8 doesn’t necessarily equal pick 19, talent is still going to go high for the most part.
Moving up in this draft is the best course of action and if not we should be trading out of it if a good move comes up.
by vincecarter4pres on May 31, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I like the UCLA guys best of all
I think they are the best combo of upside and ready right now. Bertans is interesting but years away from contributing. Singler can give you a few minutes a night but has little upside. Confess I don’t know Harper at all
I like Honeycutt, but he makes me nervous. He became horribly inefficient when given lead type role which still wasn't even really a lead type role.
Lee will be lucky to be in the NBA in 3 years.
by vincecarter4pres on May 31, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm concerned about Harper
he seems like a smart choice and yet he is dropping. His shooting numbers are off the charts. SOme have compared him to Channing Frye, but Frye was a lottery choice in a good draft. In some of the mocks, he’s now in the second round.
I like UCLA guys. They seem to make good pros…some as ole players but good role players. Farmar, Afflallo, Mbah a Moute.
Honeycutt reminds me a lot of
Sefolosha. I see him as a good lean defensive oriented SG.
What makes Harper a smart choice?
Honestly, what makes you say that?
I’m not convinced I disagree, just want to know your take.
by vincecarter4pres on May 31, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I like this draft if I'm the Nets...
They might be able to get some decent help seeing that so many of the players are bunched together in terms of talent and expectations. When a draft is unclear in terms of talent you can get very lucky !
" I would not be just a nothin' my head all full of stuffin', My heart all full of pain.
I would dance and be merry, life would be a ding-a-derry, If I only had a brain"
In Japan, Tyler averaged a respectable 9.9 points and 6.4 rebounds in just over 15 minutes per contest over the course of 33 games while dealing with foul trouble and free-throw deficiencies (49-of-108 on the season). Looking at those numbers, which is about all most NBA decision makers can do as only four of Tyler’s games are on Synergy and it’s highly unlikely many scouts make their way to Tokyo this season, it would seem that Tyler probably doesn’t deserve the hype he’s currently getting.
Andrew Lowman of Asia Basketball Update, the only person on the internet who followed Tyler this past season (to my knowledge) and therefore my go-to expert on this subject, believes that Tyler was more impressive than those numbers indicate. Lowman notes that over the course of Tyler’s last 13 games — when the team’s other big man import, former D-Leaguer Kendall Dartez, left the team — he averaged 30.4 points and 17.0 rebounds per 40 minutes (while playing just under 17 minutes per game).
“Watching the games, it is clear that Tyler thrived as Hill played him more at the 4 spot alongside Robert Swift at the 5,” Lowman wrote of this drastic upturn in production. “Tyler showed his versatility away from the basket, including a drastically improved outside shot. Tyler’s turnovers also dropped during this part of the season as he spent less time in the post getting double-teamed.”
All of that said, and after watching as much Tyler footage from this past season as has been made available to me (89 possessions over four games on Synergy and all of Lowman’s uploads on Youtube), I’m still not sure he’s worth a first round pick.
Tyler has shown that he has rudimentary back-to-the-basket moves, a decent 18-foot jumper and the size and athleticism to be a serviceable NBA player from the outset while also seeming to be quite a bit more mature than he’s been given credit for in the past. As a bonus, his being coached by Hill should have given him an understanding of the NBA’s style of play.
Unfortunately, he doesn’t seem to know how to use his size and strength to his advantage, didn’t produce on the defensive end and isn’t the most disciplined player on the floor. Tyler will be 20 by the time the draft rolls around, making him older than fellow big man prospects Enes Kanter, Bismack Biyombo, Tobias Harris, Lucas Nogueira. All of those guys, aside from Harris, have prior professional experience in similar, if not better, leagues and should be selected before Tyler is off the board.
Japan
Is one of the worst professional leagues in the world. This guy is a project and a half, and I wonder if he has the ability to put aside his ego and really learn in the D League. People have to be kidding themselves if they think he’s going to be a major contributor this year or even next year.
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by robertjamis on May 31, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Quoted for truth.
Japan is one of the worst professional leagues in the world. This guy is a project and a half, and I wonder if he has the ability to put aside his ego and really learn in the D League. People have to be kidding themselves if they think he’s going to be a major contributor this year or even next year.
by vincecarter4pres on May 31, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
meaningless in terms of this conversation
He played for Bob Hill (who was Avery Johnson’s first coach at San Antonio) who not only endorses him but also has spent the last two months preparing him for the Draft.
He’s 19 years old. He was the top ranked junior in the class that is now producing the top picks in this and next year’s draft.
He’s 6’11’, has a wing span of 7’5" and can jump 33.5" in vertical leap. I watched him shoot in the Pre-Draft Combine. He shoots a lot better than Derrick Favors.
Why wouldn’t a team at the end of the first round in a lousy draft pick him. Under current rookie scale, he’s be paid about $1 million in his first season, less than what Quinton Ross made last season.
Agreed NI
I think hes a MUCH better selection than Singler, due to his upside.
Nets 2011- looking forward to the lottery- again
Totally agree
Guys who play overseas are more grown up than one-and-dones.
I don't know much about this draft
But I’m willing to bet we get a player better than Outlol, GrahamVP, and Petro, and when you won 25 games, that’s really all you can ask for.
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the only pattern i see
Is Net Income’s mad love affair with Kyle Singler and his incredibly mediocre profile of numbers, athleticism, and projectable talent. It’s almost like he’s trolling at this point :)
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Doesnt mean hes the right pick (singler)
Yes, hes a senior, which means he is ready to play, but he struggled against athletic teams and best case scenario hes a poor mans version of Kyle Korver and thats best case.
I would rather we go after someone with upside like Tyler who seemed to grow quite a bit under Bob Hill in Japan. Remember when Brandon Jennings, who also was a ‘knucklehead’ when he went overseas, it actually made him more mature and ready for NBA. Not saying Tyler is on that level, but he wasnt the #1 HS prospect for no reason.
Nets 2011- looking forward to the lottery- again
I dont care if Nets take him or not.
as I have said, i will leave the decision to the professionals, BUT 1) he has been mentioned more times in the mocks than any other player, both as at #27 and #36 and 2) I am sure the draftniks have heard the same thing I’ve heard: King likes him.
People here have a tendency to link what I’ve heard with what I want. I hear a lot of things, some of which I disagree with.
It’s a REALLY bad draft. There are probably three or four good players and maybe two really good players, like there was in 2000 when the really good players were KMart and Michael Redd.
it's odd
but remember this…the last Hofstra player taken in the first round?
Speedy Claxton.
By?
Billy King
Trade
I would love to grab Klay Thompson if we traded up
My friend has been touting Reggie Jackson for a while. After lookin at some videos, he does seem like he is a solid player with upside.
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by swampass on May 31, 2011 1:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
he is the kind of guy who you take as Best Player Available but late
Nets have three PG’s on the roster next year.
I wanted Faried and Brooks or another athletic SG/Sf but Tyler would do just fine.
Dwill/Farmar/Yatta
X/Morrow/Draft pick or Sasha for the min
James/Outlaw/Draft pick
Hump/Free agent
Lopez/Tyler
Let’s assume there is an amnesty clauses and the nets go after ak47 and T Young
Dwill
?
Young
Hump
Lopez
With Farmar/MorrowJames/Ak/Tyler off the bench is not too bad.
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
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Kirilenko would start, and I’d prefer we try to trade for Robin Lopez. If that doesn’t go as planned then pick up someone cheap like Nazr Mohammed, then draft a PF, and trade our 1st pick plus farmar for a better pick. Then use that pick to get Marshon Brooks, and then hopefully Afflalo at SG, or VC.
Deron Williams / Gaines /
VC? / Morrow / Brooks
Kirilenko / James / Outlaw*
Hump / Jon Luer(spelled that wrong
Lopez / Nazr Mohammed
Thats a decent starting lineup, and a great bench. Maybe Outlaw gets thrown out we can simply upgrade our PF spot and get Nene, and or an extra PG on the cheap.
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Shooting guards Malcolm Lee (UCLA) and Mychel Thompson (Pepperdine) are among the first group, along with Power forwards…..
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