NetsDaily Off-Season Report #5
It's a Brooklyn thing for the most part this week...with some Dwight Howard news and analysis as well. All right, a lot of "Fight for Dwight" analysis. In Brooklyn, we look at how Mikhail Prokhorov and his aides see the borough as a platform for globalization; how businesses, long wary of angering critics, are now starting to embrace the Nets and Barclays Center; how the Nets' move 13.2 miles to the east compares with some other high-profile arena switches; how big is Prokhorov's Barclays Center suite...is it twice as big, ten times as big!; and how it's easier to get to Barclays Center than Yankee Stadium or CitiField. Even our Draft Sleeper of the Week is from Brooklyn.
Every Sunday, we’ll be updating the Nets’ off-season with bits and pieces of information, gossip, etc. to help take the edge off missing the playoffs, relying on the Nets’ beat reporters and others who have slipped interesting stuff into larger stories, blogs, tweets...plus our own reporting and analysis.
The Fight for Dwight
We've sworn we're not going to get in the weeds on the Dwight Howard rumors. We also admit that oath is worthless.
So here's some ideas on what's been written, what we've heard and what we think.
There is no doubt that no matter who the Magic want, it's worth it to get D12...well except for Deron Williams, of course. He is, like D-Will, 26 years old, a perennial all-star and all-NBA player, one of the top talents in the league and still young and healthy. Unlike the 'Melo Drama, there are no assets off the table, no untouchables, no nothing. Yes, there are concerns about the CBA and salary cap and all that other stuff. That can be solved. The Knicks can have their two forwards. We'll take the point guard and center.
The competition is supposedly, reportedly the Lakers. Dwight wants Hollywood! Dwight wants a starring role! Dwight wants to win! And of course, the Lakers have two ready-for-trade assets: Andew Bynum and Pau Gasol. Not to mention Kobe Bryant. But the Lakers like the Magic are hamstrung by big contracts given to players who can't possibly produce at the levels needed to make their contracts worth it in a post-CBA world.
Let's assume for a minute that some version of a "hard cap" is installed by 2013-14, as the owners want. The Magic have, without Howard, $42 million committed to four players: Gilbert Arenas, Hedo Turkoglu, Chris Duhon and Quentin Richardson. Yes, Quentin Richardson. The Lakers' situation is by some measures worse. No doubt, the talent is greater, at least for now, but the commitments are staggering: $60 million for four players: Bryant, Gasol, Ron Artest and Steve Blake. Bryant will make $30+ million, Gasol $19 million. Kobe will be 35, Gasol 33. Howard or his agent should have some qualms about dropping into that salary cap hell. (The Nets? They currently have $7 million committed in 2013-14 to Travis Outlaw.)
We also think that this is going to go down a lot faster than people (well people other than Chris Sheridan). Howard can deny all he wants that he has an extension on the table. He's wrong...and we suspect he knows it. He is in the same situation as 'Melo was. He signs or he risks losing tens of millions of dollars. Would the Magic sign him without a commitment? Doubt that. And there's something else out there: one owners' proposal would do away with sign-and-trades after July 1? That's an additional reason to get this done sooner rather than later. Does Howard want to risk that on top of everything else? Doubt that too. Even the Orlando beat writers are getting nervous, realizing that the Magic have few options to get out of the mess.
The threat of a lockout looms over everyone, but we happen to think the Nets are going to be very active this summer, starting with the draft.
Free Agents Galore
Howard's situation may liven up the summer. There are few free agents out there of course, but not like last summer with Joe Johnson, LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire, Dirk Nowitzki, Rudy Gay, David Lee and Carlos Boozer all getting $75 million or more. What this year does present is a menu of rotation players who may not make the All-Star team but will give you the depth you need. Nets are Scorching has a nice set of features on all the key free agents, restricted and unrestricted, out there under the "Tampering Week" rubric. Highly recommended.
Speaking of Brooklyn...were we speaking of Brooklyn? Yeah, sorta. It's going to dominate everything over the next 16 months. So in light of our visit to the arena construction site, here are some random thoughts about the borough and the role it's going to play and how it will affect those fans loyal enough to visit this site.
Brooklyn as Globalization Platform
Lost in a lot of the statistical measures of last season's progress were these "firsts" that didn't get a lot of attention.
--First NBA team to play regular season games (2) in Europe;
--First NBA team to fly around the world, traveling from Newark to Moscow to Beijing to Guangzhou to Los Angeles to Newark in a week;
--First NBA team to have more than 50 games broadcast in both China (2009-10) and Russia (2010-11) over a two year period;
--and of course, First NBA team with a foreign (European, Russian) owner in Mikhail Prokhorov.
But even beyond that, the Nets are playing the game of globalization in subtle ways...through Brooklyn.
In virtually every discussion of Brooklyn, Mikhail Prokhorov and his two top aides at Onexim, Christophe Charlier and Dmitry Razumov, mention the role of Brooklyn in globalizing the team. Prokhorov is fond of noting that one in eight Americans has some roots in Brooklyn, that the borough was often the first landing spot, after Ellis Island, for immigrants arriving in the US. As he's said, "Brooklyn was the heart of United States immigration. A lot of people from other countries passed through Brooklyn. They have a lot of relatives in China, in Africa, in Russia, in Europe."
The Nets are taking advantage of Brooklyn's current ethnic mix as well as its history. Some fans might have seen Hispanic Night as simply a carryover from the Nets' attempt to celebrate Eduardo Najera's Mexican heritage (and to a lesser degree, Brook Lopez, whose father is Cuban); or Chinese Culture Night as a carryover from the days when one of China's biggest celebrities, Yi Jianlian, played in New Jersey. Of course, Russian Culture Night, the trademarking of Brooklyn Nets in Cyrillic and the NetsRussia website are all about Mikhail Prokhorov, right? Not so fast. After English, the three most widely spoken first languages of Brooklyn households are, in order, Spanish, Russian and Chinese. Around 500,000 Brooklynites count themselves as Hispanic, 300,000 as Russian and 160,000 as Chinese.
When we mentioned that "coincidence" to a member of Team Prokhorov, we were told with a sly smile, "that is not a coincidence." The strategy is simple and not so sly. By making fans of the locals in Brooklyn, the Nets hope to get some buzz back home...and vice versa.
As the home addresses of a growing number of fans on this site show, the strategy is working, if slowly. It's not for nothing that Prokhorov told Darren Rovell (before the trade deadline) that his first superstar will be a "global star". We'd be surprised if we didn't see D-Will as a Russian icon (pardon the pun) next season.
Draft Sleeper of the Week
Jamine "Greedy" Peterson is a tweener and has some baggage. Yet, by most accounts, he (and Cory Joseph of Texas) were the most impressive players in last weekend's workouts at PNY Center. At 6'6" and 235, Peterson is somewhere between a small forward and a power forward. In fact, there are shooting guards in the NBA with his body. On the other hand, he is from Brooklyn.
As for his baggage...after a remarkable 38-point, 16-rebound game vs. Seton Hall in 2009--part of a double-double season, he was suspended by Providence for violating team rules. Apparently, Peterson showed a Friar recruit too good of a time. He says he was told to do so. After that, he played in Greece and then the D-League. He's automatically eligible for the Draft.
Despite all that, no one helped his draft stock better than Peterson. He showed he can score from the outside and underneath, throwing down a couple of monster dunks in a 5-on-5 scrimmage. With a poor draft, the "Best Player Available" dictate is even more relevant, particularly in the second round where he's likely to wind up. Unless he screws things up, Peterson is likely to get a look.
Moving as a Burden?
A lot has been made in some circles about the Nets' move to Brooklyn being a dramatic shift, geographically, for the franchise, but the reality is different. The team will cross two rivers, the Hudson and the East, the former a state boundary, but the move is similar to, and often a lot less dramatic than, a number of others made during the 28 years the Nets spent in the Meadowlands.
—The Lakers moved from the Forum in Inglewood to the Staples Center in downtown Los Angeles in 1999, 11 miles.
—The Cavaliers moved from Cleveland Arena to the Coliseum of Richfield
—The Pistons moved from Cobo Arena to the Pontiac SIlverdome in 1978, 32 miles, then to the Palace at Auburn Hills in 1988, 4 miles, for a total of 36 miles.
—The Bullets moved from the Baltimore Civic Center to the Capital Centre in Landover, MD, in 1973, 28 miles, then to the Verizon Center, Washington, DC, in 1997, 7 miles for a total of 35 miles.
Also, it should be noted that Barclays Center is shorter distance, if you're crazy enough to drive, from Newark (13 miles) than it is from either Yankee Stadium (22 miles) or CitiField (23 miles). It's also a shorter distance by subway from Penn Station. New Jersey baseball fans travel to see the Yankees and Mets, right?
As for the subway, it's only four stops from midtown Manhattan on the B, D, and Q lines, the three express trains that service the arena station at Atlantic Avenue and Pacific Street, soon to be renamed "Barclays Center".
Businesses Embracing Barclays
It wasn't too long ago, 2007 to be exact, that a Brooklyn business embracing the Nets' move to Prospect Heights would be ostracized, even threatened with a boycott. Take the case of Arena Bagels. It opened back then and faced an immediate onslaught of criticism. It had to change its name to A.R.E.A Bagels, named for the proprietors family members.
Not anymore. There's "Bark", a new hot dog place near Barclays Center where Billy King, Bobby Marks, Bruce Ratner and Brook Lopez dined before checking out the arena. No one's saying there's a connection and "Bark" is a perfectly reasonable name for a neat little restaurant featuring hot dogs, but that arena right around the corner could wind up being known as "The Barc" or even "The Bark" ... as in "Who Let the Dogs Out?" There's also the Best Western Arena Hotel, down Atlantic Avenue. It advertises itself as close to "the NBA Barclay Arena." And we haven't even mentioned the (at least) three sports bars planned for the streets around the arena.
Of course, if you're really into the move, there's this.
A Super Suite, but not a Super Duper Suite
The Nets have sold 44 of the 104 suites at Barclays Center and there's only 16 months left before Opening Night. They've actually sold out one set of high-end suites, the Brownstone suites, each with 16 seats, but the Loft suites aimed at medium and smaller business,which go for $200,000 to $300,000, are not going as fast.
One party has bought two suites at mid-court and is combining them to give him a "super suite". That of course would be Mikhail Prokhorov. It is indeed big, but fails to match the hype that was out there a couple of months ago on the Sports Illustrated website. SI had him with a suite ten times normal. No, Nets insiders note, just twice.
Prokhorov hasn't visited the site, we're told, in nearly six months. Back in late October, he watched Daniel Goldstein's condominium get torn down from the roof of Bruce Ratner's shopping mall. He then went out and had lunch at Peter Luger's where he dined on porterhouse, creamed spinach and cheesecake for dessert. There must have been some champagne too. It was his best "Darth Vader" moment, we thought.
Final Note: Northern Exposure
Remember the island Prokhorov was supposed to have bought (but didn't) in the Seychelles? Well, North Island is in the news again this week. The owner swears it's where Prince William and Princess Katherine are honeymooning. Sounds like someone has a very good public relations operation.
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Just thinking out loud
but wat about rashard lewis at the 3? couple play 4 and wont ask for to much money. Hes an underrated defender and one of the best 3 point shooters in the league. When he was with the sonics he had a good post up game…ill love to have him
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Laid that up like Pau Gasol
by big_p.a.w.z. on May 15, 2011 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions
One note is that Ric Bucher said that Dwight Howard would like to be paired with a superstar who will grow with himself and doesn't know if Kobe would be the right person.
He specifically said NJ, NY, Dallas and LA (in that order).
He also included Orlando – if they signed CP3 or DWill.
I had tweeted Ric Bucher the next day to confirm his remarks and ask if he had a link to that interview on May 10 after 6 PM.
Ric replied directly to my Email with only the 1 word answer “YES”.
If Ric Bucher is correct, this suggests that LA isn’t as high on Dwight’s list as people think, and teaming with DWill would be nice.
Nice
We are def. a great option for Dwight.
I don’t see a scenario better than pairing w/ an elite PG like Dwill and spear heading the Brooklyn move as a superstar duo.
Hopefully NetIncome is right and that this moves quickly.
If a trade is planned soon (at the beginning of the free agency) it would be possible to absorb his salary after trading Lopez and probably Morrow.
There should be enough left to sign Hump.
Also, I believe Howard can only be extended for 2 years at this time.
If he waits until after the new CBA I think he can get a longer extension and thus more guaranteed money.
How is D12's contract situation different from D-Will's???
Net Income – help me out here. D12 has an opt out after 2012 – right? Same as D-Will. So how can he be extended now if D-Will cannot be prior to July 17th (after the lockout). If I am right, isn’t all of the discussion about him having an offer “on the table” from Orlando wrong? Or at least wrong until JUly 17th? I am totally confused here, and I usually understand the cap/contract/CBA stuff. What am I missing???
I think it's because they were in different drafts.
Dwight was drafted a year sooner so he has been able to sign that automatic extension since last summer.
D-Will was one draft later so his extension is one summer later.
It would only take about .701% of the population of Brooklyn alone to fill the Barclays Center.
Welcome to the Giants, Prince, Marvin and Jerrel!
I think there's an error in the Hot Dog section NI.
“Bark” is a perfectly reasonable name for a neat little restaurant featuring hot gods
It would only take about .701% of the population of Brooklyn alone to fill the Barclays Center.
Welcome to the Giants, Prince, Marvin and Jerrel!
While I'm not ready to declare it likely at all
if the Nets were to somehow get Dwight Howard, they’d be the only team with two legitimate candidates for MVP, and that is a pretty excitign thought.
Carmelo and Amar'e?
Amar’e was a candidate this year and Carmelo has received votes before IIRC.
It would only take about .701% of the population of Brooklyn alone to fill the Barclays Center.
Welcome to the Giants, Prince, Marvin and Jerrel!
Fair enough
It could easily be an exaggeration, but I feel both D-Will and DH are much more legitimate candidates.
There’s only one perimeter player I’d take over Wade right now and he also plays for Miami.
by shane gayle on May 14, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Same I think Rose has surpassed Wade
Has a lot more energy to expend over a full game D-wade gets tired every know and then.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Bring in AK47 or Prince on the cheap, get a good SG (thornton, mayo)
and get some veteran big/athletic players to come off the bench and this team will become a 45 win team just like that, they have the dominant big man and the lights out PG, they just need able bodies….who woulda thought kmart, rj, etc could be so good…..this is jason kidd part 2, except this time the center is MUCH better than say a todd mcullough
If we can snag DH12, do it, but if we cant theres no way we can have the same lineup as last season and sasha and company coming off the bench
by Angelo Mihalitsianos on May 14, 2011 7:16 PM EDT reply actions
imagine the summer the Nets could have
If D12 is traded to the Nets at the draft. FAs will be beggin to play in NJ at a discount. Noone would be able to say no the D12 AND dWill. With a team full of vets and all stars there would be no worries about being in shape, accountability and development. Just Winning
you dont think of they improve on what they have dwill will stay?
brook, hump, and 3 real good players more would make this team solid!!!!!
so you’re thinking unless we get a howard in here, dwill is out?
by Angelo Mihalitsianos on May 14, 2011 7:43 PM EDT reply actions
Our division could be the most exciting in the NBA if we upgrade nicely this summer.
Boston
NJ
NY
Philly
the divisions that are in the northeast
in every sport are always good, ALeast in baseball, AFC east in football
I will truly feel bad for Lopez if he gets traded. He pisses me off sometimes but he is our guy.
by power_njerz on May 14, 2011 8:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
He'll be happy in Disney World
After all, didn’t he intern with them or something?Plus, he’ll be back with his best friend in Ryan Anderson. D12 to the Nets really does work out for all parties involved.
D-Will > Carmela
lol
he would be THRILLED for the EXACT two reasons you mentioned.
by corky_romano4life on May 15, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
In case noone has noticed, none of the 4 teams left have Dwight Howard. Of course you make that move for him if it comes,
but I really don’t think it’s Howard or bust for DWill. He’s smarter than that, and realizes that with enought good pieces around him and coming off the bench, the Nets could be really good. Don’t forget, he said himself that he believes he’s the best PG in the league. He’s got some swag and knows he can make some guys better – the problem is…this rodter sucks.
I don’t think it’s superstar or bust for Dron – the sum is greater than the parts. He just wants a a combo of talent/pieces that fit together to fill the different roles needed on a winning team.
Guys like AK, Prince, Mayo, Kmart, McRoberts, Evans, healthy Butler, Landry, Wilcox, Delonte West, Reggie Williams, etc. can upgrade starters and bench – need the right cast to fill the appropriate holes.
Howard isn't still playing because he was on a team where the rest of the starting 5 shot about 30% for the series
And no bench depth. You’re not going to go very far when your teammates collectively shoot about 28% from the field…
by Anthony Perez on May 14, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Cory Joseph never impressed me at Texas.
I’ve been in Texas for a few years now. I must admit that I’ve been following University of Texas basketball and a fellow named Kevin Durant was outstanding.
Cory Joseph? He wasn’t even a star on last year’s Texas team. I just don’t see it. He averaged 3.0 assists in 32.4 minutes. Not a point guard, not a shooting guard, and probably not an NBA player.
Tristan Thompson might be an NBA player, but at 6’8", is his position really power forward? He absolutely should have stayed in school.
Maybe they both decided to come out because the 2011 NBA draft is lacking talent?
Texas slang in a Big Apple minute, by a friendly OED consultant. http://www.barrypopik.com
what part of texas you from?
also when looking at UT these last couple of years post-durant era there have been a ton of injuries so guys have been asked to play out of their roles/comfort zones. i agree though that hamilton was the only nba ready player and that joseph and thompson(like almost 95% of college athletes) could have used an extra year or two but the weakness of this draft gives them a chance to be locks for first round picks and 4 year deals
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on May 14, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Austin, near Round Rock.
The Austin Toros now play in Cedar Park. Maybe I’ll catch a D-League game against Springfield sometime.
Jordan Hamilton has a decent shot at the NBA, but really improved from freshman to sophomore. You should come out as a freshman only if you’re Kevin Durant. Thompson is a tweener forward (6’8") and Joseph is a tweener guard (6’3"), both undersized by NBA standards for power forward and big guard.
Texas slang in a Big Apple minute, by a friendly OED consultant. http://www.barrypopik.com
i live right on the outskirts copperas cove
but yeah UT gets some of the most inconsistent players. in college and translating to the pros. think of all the players from ut in the league right now and how accomplished some of them were in college: durant, aldridge, james, augustin, gibson, pittman, mo evans, ivey, ford
i may have to check out some armor vs toros games too especially if there are current nets players under contract on the team.
never really been around the districts/surrounding suburbs of austin except when i played football(pflugerville, lake travis, wherever reagan and maccullum are at, stony point, connally) although i did spend a summer at UT though. if i would have went a year later than i did i could have ran into vince young when he returned to school
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on May 15, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
If we landed dwight and deron, can we call them (Double D's)? just a question....
Tell it how it is ! or just shut the hell up !
If we landed dwight and deron, can we call them (Double D's)? just a question....
Tell it how it is ! or just shut the hell up !
The Killer B's (Billy King and Bobby Marks) and the Doube D's
And an F for Outlaw, just cause
D-Will > Carmela
We have another "D" on our Roster
His name is Damion James :)
by jasperjarrod on May 15, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
how about 3D ? but double will do, djames has to
Earn his way before he can be mentioned with players of that caliber
Tell it how it is ! or just shut the hell up !
by Mike28Live on May 15, 2011 2:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Jamine Peterson looks pretty nice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyjxC0Q5uI4&feature=related
Here are some statistical highlights from the year before he was dismissed (and didn’t do anything. Got a recruit a bj. That happens all the time, as the former suitemate of a St. John’s basketball player)
He averaged 19.6 points and 10.2 rebounds per game for the Friars and had 16 double-doubles as a redshirt sophomore during the 2009-10 season. Take a look at some of the numbers he put up: 29 points and 20 rebounds against Rutgers, 24 points and 18 rebounds against Pittsburgh, and 38 points and 16 rebounds in a 109-106 loss to Seton Hall in the Big East tournament.
I read about that..good article. It wouldn't surprise me if we took him in the second round.
After what he has been thru, he’ll be grateful to make it to the NBA and I think he’ll play hard and be a good citizen.
Deron has already begun the recruiting process
He also talks about Proky, Jay-Z, his future plans and COD.
by BrooksBridges11 on May 14, 2011 9:37 PM EDT reply actions
i dont like when the reporter asks "will you stay"
and deron answers, we’ll see, we’ll see what happens with free agency….where i was feeling real confident before, im starting to get this wierd feeling hes gonna bolt us
by Angelo Mihalitsianos on May 14, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesnt want to committ
If the Nets get nobody and he has verbally said that he would stay then he either has to stick around with an average team or ruin his image and leave. He doesnt want to guarantee anything
by fumblesnout on May 14, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
just a short month ago his answer
was more like, i can definitely see myself staying here, it looks real good, we need to get some guys but OUR future looks bright…..there was no we’ll see and i dont know
by Angelo Mihalitsianos on May 14, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
"We NEED to get some guys"
If they don’t, then he will leave. If the Nets sign another 2 Travis Outlaws this offseason then why would he stay? No reason to commit if you dont have to
Sometimes I find myself feeling a bit nervous about his demeanor when answering these specific questions, but then I realize...
He’s a pretty even emotioned dude, to the point he’s a touch emotionless and almost awkward, especially doesn’t seem to love interviews in general even when he’s comfortable.
I might be reading into it a little too much, but to sum it up, dude is flat line and doesn’t like reporters and interviews.
by vincecarter4pres on May 15, 2011 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Dwill is going to re-sign with the nets
He is smart not to say right now that he wants to stay. He wants to keep pressure on the nets front office to go as hard as they can to put players around him. But I do not see him walking away from all the nets want to offer him. Players want the fame just as much as the ring. And he is about to be made a globally known player. He is not going to walk away from that. He is loving the attention way too much.
Hope this off-season is a good one for us.
Gotta prove everyone wrong and get DWill to sign an extension.
speaking of teams that move within a metropolitan area
we could add the Nets to that list. Brooklyn will not be our longest move within the NY- Long Island – Northern NJ metro area. And of course, this is the LARGEST metro area in the NBA, bigger than LA when you add in the sourrounding densly settled area.
I saw the Nets at Rutgers Athletic Center and IZOD. Those places were substandard. Maybe somebody remembers our even-earlier homes and can correct me, but I think the Rock may be the first decent location for any Nets home game in history.
The Rock is great for me but Bark’s will be even better – better arena and better location.
They’re bringing it back, bit by bit.
by BrooksBridges11 on May 14, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
PS3 or Xbox?
Which would you buy right now if you had neither?
by vincecarter4pres on May 15, 2011 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd go for PS3 if I had to choose one over the other -
Uncharted , inFAMOUS , God of War , Metal Gear Solid , Killzone , Socom , Resistance , Twisted Metal , Heavy Rain , MAG , Motorstorm , etc that are PS3 only games. Can’t go wrong there.
It also has blu-ray , free online play , and some good E-rated games like LittleBigPlanet , ModNation Racers , and Ratchet and Clank.
New game called StarHawk coming in 2012 looks nuts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvwR7VbRMH0
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"This isn’t fantasy or rotisserie basketball. Why would Denver want Outlaw? Would you?"
by strange-brew on May 15, 2011 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. There are tons of games that both get, but PS3 has the edge in exclusives.
It would only take about .701% of the population of Brooklyn alone to fill the Barclays Center.
Welcome to the Giants, Prince, Marvin and Jerrel!
yeah you need both
xbox live bring so much more besides new release games but playstation has so many better exclusives and better online play when people arent trying to flood the game with aimbots or other glitches. plus i’ve always like the feel of the ps controller save for the ps3 one its too small. i prefer the original analogs for ps1 they were the perfect size
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on May 15, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah but xbox online gaming exp
is far superior to ps3.
xbox live > psn. even if you have to pay for live.
I prefer 360.
Totally pwns PS3 online & has A LOT more exclusive titles but I have both consoles lol
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
i have PS3, but have barely picked it up since the PSN went down...
but PS3 is a far superior system
Thanks for all the responses guys.
So last question though, is the PSN really that big a piece of $#*&?
Or is just that it’s good while Xbox’s is great?
by vincecarter4pres on May 16, 2011 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I want VC to win a C.S.
Kidd wasn’t as faithful.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
BTW, I LOVE the hard work put into keeping this site updated in the summer
And don’t tend to call NI out on anything, but there’s ONE small thing in this article.
It’s a long stretch, to say the least, that the place called “Bark” is a show of support for the arena in the area just because hypothetically it could become a nickname for Barclays.
But aside from that, nice work.
According to HW
Jonny Flynn will in all likelihood be on the trading block because of the arrival of the incredible Rubio. And at a very low cost. Should the Nets go after him? I recall they were very interested in him a few years back, and I think Flynn liked the Nets as well. I’m not too sure if sending Farmar out for him makes all that much sense, but it does save the Nets a couple thousand, gives the team a very young and talented point who could elevate his game playing behind a player like D-Will (ex. Barea & Kidd, Collison & Paul (well, not really lol))
by JerseysFinest. on May 15, 2011 12:29 AM EDT reply actions
i dont want to give up assets
for a position we are actually set at. Save our assets for necessities or D12
looking at the salaries
the Nets would be saving a few bucks. No picks would be involved ideally
by JerseysFinest. on May 15, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
ive always liked this gy
since his days at ’cuse, but farmar is better than him and it is a pointless trade
First no indication Rubio will go over
If he did, there is a reason Flynn would be cheap. Don’t see anything to indicate he’s any better than Farmer or Gaines for that matter. He couldn’t even start in Minnesota, No need to waste assets at a position we’re good at. Having a good backup behind Williams ie: farmer imo is probably a luxury we can’t afford with the holes on the roster.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
What?
Kahn and Timberwolf ownership said they feel strongly about him coming over to play. Saying he is not better than Gaines first of all is disrespectful to him, he was thrusted into a leading role his rookie year, evidently it’s a difficult task for a scoring point like himself. He played rather well his rookie season also. The Nets wouldn’t be wasting assets at all because it would be a straight up Farmar, maybe they can try Petro (it’s Kahn) for Flynn.
The Nets are saving a few thousand, and they receive a great young prospect who I’m sure would love to come back closer to home, will improve, and will elevate his game playing behind a top 5 point guard
by JerseysFinest. on May 15, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Some of you guys seem to forget that there are 29 other teams in the NBA.
The Nets wouldn’t be wasting assets at all because it would be a straight up Farmar, maybe they can try Petro (it’s Kahn) for Flynn.
What?
funny when i got to Peter Luger's
i get the same order! but not as expensive wine :) i got with a holland beer to down my steak and cream of spinach.
cream of spinach.
Peter Luger’s veg of the day for 60 years straight
draft him a must- Marshon Brooks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v8W2pumHX8&feature=related
Never give up on something, you can't go on a day without thinking bout it....
by Kingsley King Lin on May 15, 2011 12:36 AM EDT reply actions
What about this?
Been messing around in Association mode of NBA 2k11. Two different scenarios. Thoughts, please!
A) With Dwight
Deron Williams \ JJ Barea
OJ Mayo \ Morrow
Wilson Chandler \ Damion James
Lamar Odom \ Brian Scalabrine (LOL)
Dwight Howard \ Kurt Thomas \ Nenad Krstic
B) Without Dwight
Deron Williams \ Gains \ Uzoh
Danny Granger (or any of the players listed below) \ Morrow
Thaddeus Young \ Damion James
Anderson Varejao \ Kris Humphries Ryan Anderson
Brook Lopez \ Josh McRoberts \ Joel Pryzbilla
Here is a list of players who I think will be traded this summer or are at least tradable and the reasons why:
1) Rudy Gay – Grizz are one game away from WCF without him and Xavier Henry. They could save big $$ and trade him.
2) Danny Granger – I think he needs a change of scenery.
3) Monta Ellis – Warriors suck, no $
4) Andre Iggy – same as Granger
THOUGHTS?
by corky_romano4life on May 15, 2011 12:39 AM EDT reply actions
I thought about him
So inconsistent. And I cringed every time he took a jumpshot. I’d rather have Gay, Ellis, or Iggy but would take him for Outlaw and other little pieces.
by corky_romano4life on May 15, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
who are you trading for them though besides Farmar
"I just copped me an all-things, a professional ball team
Tell me I ain't the illest hustler ya'll seen"
Must resign the HUMP and Deron, but, other targets in addition to those two are:
From free agency:
sg: Marcus Thorton, OJ Mayo or Affalo
sf: Thaddeus Young or Danny Granger
(I love the possibilty of getting Rudy Gay if he is available through a trade)
pf NENE
The above is perfect in order to have the below:
pg: Deron Williams, Jordan Farmar, Sundiata Gaines
sg: Marcus Thorton, Anthony Morrow
sf: Thaddeus Young, Damion James, Travis Outlaw
pf: Nene, Kris Humphries
c: Brook, Johan Petro
In addition, from the draft, Justin Harper (adds depth at the pf and allows Nene to backup Brook some) Thaddeus Young can also play some pf.
With our second pick we add Marshon Brooks or Charles Jenkins for added depth at the sg.
There you go, in a perfect off season, that makes 14 players for our active roster for the 2011-2012 season. Lets only hope! Get it done Billy!
LETS GO NETS!
We have 19m in cap space
How do Thornton, Young, Nene and Hump split that? Plus you have to take into account that Young and Thornton might need to be frontloaded since they are RFAs.
Huh? Offense?
Deron and Brook are each an easy 20 points a game. Thorton can light it up with another 20 any given game. Thaddeus Young will get the easy fast break points and create by driving into the lane. Nene and the Hump clean up the glass and get the easy underneath the basket shots, especially, with Deron feeding them the ball. Our bench would have some offensive punch, with Morrow, Farmar, Gaines and James. In addition, we would have a very good Defensive team! Defense wins games!
LETS GO NETS!
And that does not include any rookies we draft. Perhaps Justin Harper, Brooks and/or Jenkins.
All of which can produce some offense.
LETS GO NETS!
Howard Nonsense
This blog’s commentary is entertaining. First it was Lebron, then it was Melo, now it will be Howard.
I think its pretty clear that Howard is NOT considering the Nets as a first choice and probably won’t. Could that change: there’s a small chance. Will King sneakily upgrade the roster? Definitely.
Just remember, even though the Nets will be good, solid playoff contending team doesn’t mean they’ll be wildly popular or a first choice for talent. Until proven otherwise its Mets:Yankees / Nets:Knicks.
in the past i would've said this
but its not really about dwight its about the nets progressing as a franchise
J.UST E.NJOY T.HIS S.HIT
Overall, I'm over y'all/
All y'all played out like overalls/
Meanwhile your girlfriend on my balls/
Laid that up like Pau Gasol
by big_p.a.w.z. on May 15, 2011 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I would agree with you
but all reports say it is between us and the Lakers. I cant take the Knicks seriously in this considering their lack of assets (unless they trade Amare) and money they have committed.
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by NetsMets4Life on May 15, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Is it just me or did the Magic not sell much this past season.
I remember watching some games where the brand new Amway Center looked disappointingly empty.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
orlando is not the best when it somes to capital gross. they live and die off tourism
plus most citizens had to pay taxes for that arena. and they go through the “atlanta brave” syndrome where you get so used to a certain level of winning with forseeable failure in the playoffs lurking you tend to wait for the playoffs to kick up to pony up which this year was a waste of savings
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on May 15, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions

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