Ten Trades Billy King and co. Should Strongly Consider this Offseason Part III
by vincecarter4pres on Apr 8, 2011 12:59 AM EDT
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I've been slacking.
Been meaning to post part three for awhile now and so we shall proceed...
I am going to try not making numerous threads about the same trade target, but I think this one is vastly different from the first thread pertaining to this player and I think most will find this more realistic even if they don't like it.
So with out further ado, here's the meat and potatoes of it and a brief explanation for each club...
NJ sends:
Travis Outlaw
Damion James
TPE
2011 2nd round pick
$3 million Cash
NJ receives:
Rip Hamilton
Why?
They get a gritty proven vet while he's on the cheap due to age, contract and his mental unraveling. He had been rumored to want to come to NJ when Melo and Billups were coming here, I see no reason he wouldn't want to play for the Nets alongside Deron.
Hell, Leon Rose was pushing the change of scenery full force and Rip couldn't have been happier.
He should fit well with D Will and I think D Will will see this as a gesture of faith.
They also dump Travis Outlaw. Bonus!
In all reality, it's a very cap conscience move and a buy low for sure with Outhouse outgoing.
Detroit sends:
Rip Hamilton
Detroit receives:
Travis Outlaw
Courtney Lee
TPE
NJ 2011 2nd round pick
$3 million Cash
Why?
Rip has become a cancer in Detroit and no one is buying the recent bravado that it wasn't true.
He has no place on the Pistons during a rebuild and his contract isn't user friendly even if it's a lot shorter then Outlaw's turrible deal.
To dump him for pure cap, it's going to cost the Pistons a ton.
I'm not even sure there are any teams out there that would give up an expiring for him because he doesn't make sense on most rosters besides contenders and strong playoff teams and most of those teams have high enough payrolls as is to justify taking him on while he's declining and showing his true colors.
He would nix any deal to a lotto team again anyway.
Detroit needs to clear salary for resignings of guys like Jerebko and Stuckey as well.
They pick up some cash, a high 2nd rounder and a decent young shooting guard to boot.
It spreads Rip's salary out over a number of years.
These are the type of deals Detroit is going to be entertaining unless they choose to offer up their pick this draft or next year's with very light protection.
Maybe Trout could bounce back to Portland form with a change of scenery and lower expectations anyhow.
Houston sends:
Courtney Lee
Houston receives:
Damion James
Why?
Houston has an overload at shooting guard, they can use a cheap small forward with some upside if it only cost them a guy like Courtney Lee, especially when the player they receive for him is young enough to have upside himself and has 3 more years of rookie scale.
James is also a Texas guy through and through.
Low risk, medium to high reward move.
So what are everyone's thoughts on this one?
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Pistons will not do this
They don’t need a small forward with long contract and playing bad like Travis Outlaw.
There is no big benefit for Pistons. Only Nets wins.
And I don’t know why we need to get Coutney Lee again.
Of course, I wanna send Travis Outlaw to some other teams.
But it is not easy as we think.
We don't get Courtney Lee, Detroit does.
I think this is a legitimate offer for Rip, he’s going to be terribly hard to move without Detroit adding sizable incentive in all likelihood.
There’s a good chance they can find something better, but not by much.
by vincecarter4pres on Apr 8, 2011 1:26 AM EDT reply actions
Houston wouldn't do that.
I could potentially see Detroit doing it, but they’d want a first rounder if they’re taking on Outlaw’s contract. It’s just not a trade where enough parties come out happy, so I don’t see it as a possibility. In order to move Outlaw’s contract, you’ll have to package it up with a first rounder or Brook Lopez.
Nicolas Batum; "The Smoothest Cat in the Nba"
Bad contracts get moved ALL THE TIME in the NBA, just for other bad contracts...
I think Houston would have a lot of interest as well.
They could use a true small forward who can defend and stretch the floor now that they lost Battier and they have a huge glut at shooting guard.
by vincecarter4pres on Apr 8, 2011 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Houston would get rid of TWILL first
They actually like Lee. Same cant be said for T-Witt T-Will.
Also since re-inserting Rip into the starting lineup he has been balling. So they will either keep him or look for a much better deal. We have alot of holes to fill so we need to really be careful with our assets. Sending away cash, picks and a promising young player for a disgruntled player on the wrong side of 30 with a cap killing deal isn’t the answer.
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
A) Rip can average 37 a game from now til the end of the season it isn't going to up his value much if at all.
B) No they won’t just keep him, he is a cancerous tumor to that team.
C) The Rockets might like Lee, but he is completely expendable, so if they like James, they pull the trigger. They have a glut of shooting guards including Kevin Martin and Lee is absolutely nothing special.
D) Assets? We’re talking about Damion James, cash and a 2nd round pick in order to bring back a very productive starting vet that D Will would likely appreciate all while dumping a putrid contract who will only be movable in a deal of this fashion.
E) If this isn’t the answer, then what is?
Signing Wilson Chandler or Jeff Green or Thad Young all while still having Trouthouse on the payroll?
There’s nothing cap killing about Rip’s deal if he replaces Tragic and whatever new albatross wing this misguided FO wants to break the bank on.
by vincecarter4pres on Apr 8, 2011 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree that this would be a good thing for the Nets to do.
Sure it’s not ideal because of the length and size of Hamilton’s contract, that will really hurt you when it comes to signing a free agent during the 2012 offseason, but at least Rip’s deal is shorter term than Outlaw’s and he’s a more productive player.
Houston is very happy with the three wing rotation they have going right now. Many players have made comments how it’s been beneficial to all of them to have that shortened rotation, because they’re all getting playing time now, there was a logjam with Battier in there, and Lee is doing a good job backing up both 2/3 positions. That’s why I don’t see them making this trade.
I still think Detroit would want better than a second rounder for taking on Outlaw’s contract, but I can see them taking the contract, because I think they’ve finally succumbed to the fact that they need to blow it up and be bottom feeders for a few years. Taking on guys like Outlaw will guarantee bottom feeder status for a while.
Nicolas Batum; "The Smoothest Cat in the Nba"
I certainly don't think this is definitely the best deal Detroit will be offered, but these are probably the types of offers they will get...
You can’t look at it like…
I still think Detroit would want better than a second rounder for taking on Outlaw’s contract
Because that’s not what this is about.
You have to look at like, they NEED to get rid of Rip and he also has negative value in trade.
They were about to give away their pick top 5 protected to get straight cap space for him.
Obviously the cap is totally different ball game, but then they keep a very valuable pick and get back a couple lower level assets.
by vincecarter4pres on Apr 8, 2011 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Why does everyone say that detroit would require more for Outlaw's contract?
Rip is a cancer to that team and his contract calls for the pistons to pay $6mil more per year than outlaw’s in the first 2 yrs and over the life of the contract they only end up paying $2mil dollars more total. They essentially break even on a total basis while lowering their cap number by $6 mil for the next 2 yrs. I’m not going to sweeten the pot. This is a fair deal, dollars wise.
this is the only way I would want Hamilton...
…beeing able to dump Outlaw… that would maintain our flexibility for more summer signings… but I don’t think anyone in NBA want Oultaw and his contract!
DWill all the way to the Finals!! some day, very close...
How can we get GSW into the mix in order to obtain Louis Admusdon???? He then can take over for the Hump and we can let him walk and save 5-7M a year.
please ZR….I appreciate you reading my posts, yet don’t tell me to stop.
by netsfanforlife on Apr 8, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
It's a continuous stream of BS
We know, from articles and quotes, that it’s around 90% that Hump is returning.
Yet, you continue to bring up ways to “upgrade” the PF position, and those “upgrades” include Louis Amundson and Reggie Evans. How am I supposed to take you seriously?
It’s not like it’s just some random poster once in awhile, it’s someone constantly on these boards that just continues to spit out ridiculousness at all times.
I think most are sick of it.
by ZR on Apr 8, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
speak for yourself ZR….not for anyone else. Plus, I have a solution for you….don’t read my posts. How about it?
by netsfanforlife on Apr 8, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
and ZR….I am not posting for you, thus no need to take me seriously.
by netsfanforlife on Apr 8, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
because no smart GM would make that move
by domininaldo1981 on Apr 8, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
why is that dom…..if MGT chooses to not sign Hump to a lt deal, then it must consider other options. Either we get a star at the PF spot and let the SG./SF issues remain or we find a reasonable PF and continue to focus on those other spots. IS Amundson such a terrible player to not consider him?
by netsfanforlife on Apr 8, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes he is
Unless GS wants Outlaws contract, I prefer to keep Petro.
Your suggestion is to choose Amundson over signing Hump. Which is absurd.
Mgmt will resign Hump because there is not better option at PF, and his trade value has just sky rocketed. When going after a player like Dwight. Lopez and Hump is a good starting point. Amundson, not so much.
If the Nets decide not to sign Hump, one would hope it’s because they have a better option.
by domininaldo1981 on Apr 8, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
you think Orlando thinks Hump is so much of an upgrade over Bass? And Bass is only at 4M a year for another two years after this one!
Won’t be that much better options if you are spending all your cap on the other two positions, SG and SF………
If we are going to spend 6M on a PF spot….give it to Hump, 10M…..give it to Randolph……2M……give it to Admundson. What is so hard to understand here dom? Or do you just like to attack and argue?
by netsfanforlife on Apr 8, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
netsfan
since you are the one who enjoys to bash other’s posts, and then call foul when someone disagrees with you, considering in no way shape or form my response remotely comes off as attacking you, i will say my piece, and be done with any of your posts.
Yes, Orl will take Hump and play both Hump and Bass at 1 and 2 at their PF positions, because it gives them depth and value(albeit not equal in total) in return for losing their big man.
6-7M on Hump, yes. 10M on hump no. 2M for Admundson, I better be spending some more for a better quality starter and he’s on the bench.
Since my point is, if you are rebuilding a team, you dump salary and get cheap alternatives. If you are trying to keep your all star pg for long term, 2M for Amundson as a starting PF is, in my opinion, a sign to Deron that Nets are not serious about contending, and are only penny pinchers like Utah was.
by domininaldo1981 on Apr 8, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Thing is you're contradicting yourself about rebuilding teams.
Because if Orlando is in a rebuild, they aren’t going to want to add another big contract, especially when Brook will be up for an extension.
They’ll prefer a huge amount of salary relief to Humphries.
by vincecarter4pres on Apr 8, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Ten trillion?
Who are you, Obama?
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Apr 8, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Orlando can't afford to go to rebuilding mode
So they will need to add value right away. They aren’t in a big market, and have a new stadium to pay for. I am pretty sure that any Dwight deal will have to come with either Hedo or Arenas, thus more reason to need Hump (since his deal will still be cheaper than any of those).
I’m confused in how i’m contradicting myself (not to sound snobby or anything, i’m generally confused in what you mean).
Say, after the new CBA and there is no franchise tag yada yada. Magic get the idea that they won’t be able to really improve their roster, and Dwight may ask to be traded. In order to avoid the 6 months of rumors and distraction, in the offseason do a trade like this…
Lopez/Hump/Farmar/Morrow/Draft Picks
Dwight/Hedo
Nets will currently have the cap to absorb both Dwight and Hedo’s contracts without having to match.
Magic can save roughly 10mil in cap space and have picks.
by domininaldo1981 on Apr 8, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Orlando will be in rebuild mode and small market teams do it all the time, it's the big markets that don't...
And Arenas or Hedo likely will be included, not both though.
The Magic won’t need to add a big contract when they’re looking to dump one.
How you’re contradicting yourself is you say rebuilding teams dump salary and look for alternatives, yet you want them to add a big contract.
Orlando will be in a rebuild if they trade Dwight, it’s pretty much that simple.
Without Dwight, Orlando will be Detroit Pistons bad at best.
Orlando will likely prefer pure cap space for Dwight and a guy like Hedo, I honestly don’t see a team in the league that can or will absorb Arenas, even for Dwight, if they are sending any type of legitimate value for Howard.
Brook
Petro
Damion James
Lakers 1st
Houston 1st
Record breaking TPE
for
Dwight
Hedo
Is the type of deal I expect if Dwight is traded and winds up here…
by vincecarter4pres on Apr 8, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
it really comes down to a decision Dom…..
Would Deron prefer the following:
Hump & Outlaw & Morrow or
Admundson & Granger/Iguodala & Morrow
by netsfanforlife on Apr 8, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
ughh
Is Granger or Iguodala FA’s?
No.
Will Philly trade Iguodala to NJ?
No.
If Granger is available for trade, what does that have to do with not resigning Hump?
Hump, Granger, Morrow is better than Admundson, Granger and Morrow.
Be realistic.
by domininaldo1981 on Apr 8, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
if you resign Hump…you can forget about bringing on a player like Granger of Iguodala…….we just won’t be able to afford them.
What I am saying Dom is if you resign Hump to a large contract, you then are faced with obtaining an average SG or SF……
If you let Hump go…you can work a trade for a star SG or SF who makes lots of money and then go about filling in the other two positions with cost efficient alternatives. did I explain that better this time?
by netsfanforlife on Apr 8, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Your assumption is Hump making 10mil
and in that case, he walks, way to much. 6-7mil, you can still sign him and afford a trade for a star SG or SF. Simply letting the best available PF in FA right now, on the off chance that you might be able to swing a deal for a star SG or SF is not a luxury one can take because you don’t know if and when they will be available.
If you had stated it the way you just did, no one would discredit you or disagree with you. When you throw names like Amundson over Hump, then yes, people are going to disagree.
The Nets have two stars in their sights. One is already on the team, the other plays in Florida. I for one, would rather be cost efficient at the 2 and 3, and save that $$ for Dwight if one is going to hold out for a star.
by domininaldo1981 on Apr 8, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
i don’t see what the point of just guessing random trade ideas does….
WHEN YOU DESCRIBE the prototypical NBA center, he is not complete without superlative size, strength and athleticism. He’ll fight for the tough rebounds in the trenches, but is just as quick to burn you with a shot from 15 feet.
Johan Petro possesses all of these skills and more, and at a mere 23 years of age, he bears all the promise of fulfilling his vast potential.
You say that like it would be a bad thing;) nt
by madisonmetsfan on Apr 8, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
are you insinuating that 99% of the posts should be removed?
by netsfanforlife on Apr 8, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah--just the goofy trade proposals.
And 99% is quite an exaggeration, don’t you think?
by madisonmetsfan on Apr 8, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
what else do people post about madison?
by netsfanforlife on Apr 8, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Not bad...how about
throwing in Petro and sending this package of players to Portland for Gerald Wallace; maybe send another pick as well.
portland has to many wing players but only oden aldridge and camby inside
wallace played PF last night
Batum
Wallace
Roy
Matthews
Fernandez
babbit
One of these guys will have to go. Portland needs a pg, Miller is a FA
the Nets could send Farmar, Outlaw, Petro for one of these SFs
out of that group, rest assured that Batum, Roy, Wallace and Mathews stay…………
by netsfanforlife on Apr 8, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Wallace isn't goin anywhere
Batum is staying
Matthews is staying
Rudy will be shopped this offseason.
Babbitt is garbage and is a non factor.
Roy will possibly be a casualty of the amnesty clause if there is one in this new CBA, he’s simply not worth his contract anymore, especially considering how close the Blazers are to the luxury tax thresh hold.
Miller is not a free agent, everybody seems to think that, but it’s simply not true, Miller is on the books for the 2011/12 season, the catch is that his contract is fully unguarenteed if waived before July 1, but considering how great he’s been as the floor general for the Blazers and how instrumental he’s been in LMA’s recent success, Cho will keep him.
I hope the Nets have future success, but Portland is not the trade partner you’re looking for, everything you want will come at too high of a price, because Portland wants them just as bad. Unless of course, you want Rudy or Babbitt…
Nicolas Batum; "The Smoothest Cat in the Nba"
What's with the Babbit hate?
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Apr 8, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
He's a deer in the headlights whenever he gets on an NBA floor.
He’ll be decent once he acclimates to the NBA pace and shakes off the blow his confidence took when coming to the NBA. He has decent game and a sweet stroke, but I’d rather have that roster spot for a guy who will help us win now, or a project big man. I just don’t see him as a future piece in Portland.
Nicolas Batum; "The Smoothest Cat in the Nba"
I have a trade idea.
NJ Gets: Joe Johnson
Atlanta Gets: Anderson Varejao, Jordan Farmar, Anthony Morrow
Cleveland Gets: Damion James, 2012 draft pick
the only way
I would even remotely consider taking on JJ’s albatross is if we dump both Outlaw and Petro in the process while not giving up any valuable asset.
great idea vince
I agree 100%. Rip may be a cancer in Detroit, but a change of scenery with an all star pg will certainly change that. He’s a vet like Deron wants. And not only a vet, but a playoff tested nba finals winning vet. Something this team needs. He can be a mentor to Morrow as well.
For those who complain about his contract. The difference in what NJ sends out and receives is 4.3mil. Basically, you get a starting SG for 4.3mil, and that’s for next year. The following year, only 9mil is guaranteed, so he can be waived, or traded as an expiring to free up more cap space. It’s a great move.
by domininaldo1981 on Apr 8, 2011 11:30 AM EDT reply actions
Question?
How would people feel about this exact same package for Ben Gordon instead of Rip?
by vincecarter4pres on Apr 8, 2011 3:44 PM EDT reply actions
Im for it
I’ve been a BG fan since his Huskies days, and we know the guy can shoot and his play just elevates during the playoffs. Its ashame he never got going with the Pistons.
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
If only...
Nets:Stephen Jackson, Anderson Varajao
Bobcats:Petro, Damion James, Laker’s Pick
Cavaliers:Outlaws, Nets Pick, Grizzlies Pick
Grizzlies: Farmar
Resign Hump at 6 mil
Dwill/Gaines
S Jax/Ammo
8 mil/Brook’s shoe
Hump/Varajao
Brook/Varajao
OUTLAW > BROOK'S SHOE
trading for Rip would be great IF
it is assumed we cant get Howard (Which I assume we cant)
Sign Zach Randolph or somehow trade for josh smith
c- lopez
pf- randolph
sf- james
sg- rip
pg- d.will
Sort of agree...
I don’t think he’ll ever be a high level starter, or even a long term starter, but I think he’s good enough to be a 7th, 8th man type and in a lot of lineups a guy like that is your default starter at your position of most obvious weakness.
by vincecarter4pres on Apr 9, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I can’t disagree with you, yet am curious as to what you are basing your thoughts on? For all matters, this season has been a total washout for James due to injuries and even in the time he did play, he was nothing special. Why do you think he fits?
by netsfanforlife on Apr 9, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think he necessarily fits here or that he's very good...
I was just saying in general, even on contenders, there are often one position in their starting lineup filled with a mediocre player until a better solution is found.
Personally, I don’t think James will ever be very good at all, but I don’t think he’ll be a scrub either, just an average rotation player.
by vincecarter4pres on Apr 9, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
what about something like this..
To Nets:
Ben Gordon
To Pistons:
Travis Outlol
Jordan Farmar
2nd round pick or $3 million
Don't see Detroit doing that with Farmar in there...
That’s why I asked/suggested the same package I have for Rip with Ben Gordon coming back instead.
by vincecarter4pres on Apr 9, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
what are the 10 trade ideas??
I only see 3 in the original post
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