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NetsDaily Off-Season Report #3

Is it 'Melo-Drama II: the Sequel? We examine the Magic's finances...ugg-lee; repeat some things the guru of the CBA told a Nets fan about the availability of draft assets; think about front-loading 2011 free agent deals to preserve cap space;  wonder about how internal improvement alone could help the Nets; look at who's thinking about the 2012 Olympics and what one Net is doing about it; recount Deron Williams' highlight and record-filled season; examine how Mikhail Prokhorov measures coaching success; and find our Draft Sleeper of the Week in Japan. 

President Prokhorov???  Nah.

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Every Sunday, we’ll be updating the Nets’ off-season with bits and pieces of information, gossip, etc. to help take the edge off missing the playoffs, relying on the Nets’ beat reporters and others who have slipped interesting stuff into larger stories, blogs, tweets...plus our own reporting.

Internal Improvement as the Road to Success?

With all the punditry and fan comment on the various ways the Nets could improve next season, here's one few discuss: internal improvement. We're not saying the Nets shouldn't be aggressive in seeking out free agents, making smart trades or drafting the best talent, but what we are saying is that the 2001-02 season could an interesting model for the Nets.The addition of an all-NBA point guard in his prime can have wondrous effects...on its own.

That was, of course, the season Jason Kidd joined the team and the season after the Nets had finished 26-52. Already you can start to see the parallels.  Other than Kidd that summer, the Nets didn't have a blockbuster off-season. They  added four rookies, two of them were rotation players: Richard Jefferson and Jason Collins; got Kerry Kittles back after a year-long microfracture rehab; and signed a couple of journeymen: Todd MacColluch and Anthony Johnson. They also declined to re-sign Stephen Jackson, which in retrospect was a big mistake.

The rest of the rotation was basically the same. Kenyon Martin and Keith Van Horn were coming off injury-filled years. Aaron Williams had scored a career high 10 points a game playing mostly center. Lucious Harris was as reviled as Travis Outlaw is now, particularly after his bad pass to Milt Palacio led to a buzzer beater vs. the Celtics.  No one predicted greatness.  Kidd himself set a goal of 40 wins. Surprise.

Could it happen again?  Anyone think the Nets would have failed to make the playoffs if Deron Williams had been with the Nets and healthy all year long?  And free of Jerry Sloan's constraints?  Point is great point guards make teammates better, make teams work together.  Harris became a fan favorite and Kidd kept finding him open.  Van Horn and Martin worked well.  MacColluch used his great hands and girth to be a more than acceptable NBA center.  Aaron Williams found a new role.  Jefferson and Collins brought defensive depth.

Does Outlaw improve the way Harris did? Could a signing of a 76er free agent like Thaddeus Young be as big off-season addition as Big Todd? Does Damion James come back from an injury to surprise with his defense and athleticism? Is Kris Humphries the rebirth of A-Train? Are there two rookies who can contribute immediately?  And should the Nets go for incremental changes this season knowing the 2011 Draft and Free Agency are both weak and their 2012 counterparts strong? We shall soon find out soon enough.

Apparently, we're not alone in thinking this.

Back Up the Front Loader

Christophe Charlier, the Nets chairman, had some interesting things to say to SportsPro magazine, out this week.  From a basketball perspective, the most interesting thing he had to say was about the Nets' plans to front-load contract offers to free agents, particularly restricted free agents whose teams have a week to match or lose the player. By making the offers as onerous as it can, a team with "resources", as Charlier characterized Mikhail Prokhorov's cash hoard, a big  advantage.

"At the same time, there are things you can do in terms of salaries," he's quoted as saying. "You are allowed to make upfront payments, so you can front-load the salaries in cash, which is something that we're prepared to do to recruit the right players."

First of all, that shouldn't surprise...although no one in the Nets has so clearly articulated it.  The Nets planned to front-load offer sheets to both Rudy Gay and Tyrus Thomas last summer, but both decided ahead of time that they wanted to stay home.

So how does it work?  A couple of ways.  The more traditional is to offer a huge payout upfront.  Teams can offer a "signing bonus" of up to 17.5% of the contract total upfront.  So if a contract is $50 million over five years, the signing bonus would be $8.75 million on signing day. A team can also offer to pay the first year of a contract on the day a player signs rather than on the 1st and 15th of the month. Structure the five-year, $50 million contract so that it's $10 million a year. Add that upfront money to the signing bonus and Voila! (Charlier is French), the player gets a big fat check for $18.75 million on signing, the $8.75 million bonus and first year's salary.  (Teams can also add a 12.5% trade bonus which doesn't add to what a player gets on signing but it does create another disincentive to match.)

A team can also structure a contract so there is a big first year salary, then declining salaries in subsequent years. It's becoming increasingly popular.  J.J. Redick is paid on a declining scale for example, but the declines are not that great. Depending on how much cap space a team has (and what the new CBA looks like), teams can offer a contract where the first year is substantially greater, saving money for the second year, say a year when there are bigger and better free agents available.  And yes, you can pay out a signing bonus based on that higher salary in the first year.

Not a lot of teams have that kind of money sitting around to match offers like that. The Nets do...and now we know they're willing to spend it.

Magic Math

Otis Smith says he is not trading Dwight Howard, but he or his successor is going to have to do something and soon. A quick look at the Magic salary situation on ShamSports shows a team headed for a financial train wreck in two years.  Only the Lakers have more committed to players in 2012-13. Unless they find takers, they will owe 10 players more than $75 million...and that figure doesn't count what they would need to pay Ryan Anderson should they decide to keep him. It's $17+ million over the current cap and $5 million over the current luxury tax. No one expects the cap or luxury tax level to go up. Far more likely to go down...and with fewer exceptions.

The Magic owe $20.8 million to Gilbert Arenas in 2012-13 (and $22.3 million the next season); and if he stays, $19.5 million to Dwight Howard; plus $11.8 million to Jameer Nelson (a player option); $6.2 million to J.J. Redick; $4 million to Brandon Bass (player option); $3.5 million to Chris Duhon; $2.6 million to Quentin Richardson.

The Lakers have $91 million committed in 2012-13, but they win championships and have a huge local TV contract to pay their big salaries. Even profligate teams like the Knicks and Mavericks have only $44 million committed. As for the Nets, they've got $37.9 million, including Deron Williams option year at $17.8 million.

Draft Picks for Howard?

Add the Nets' 2012 first round pick to the cache of trade assets the Nets could use to trade for Dwight Howard or anyone else. We'd always thought (and read) that a team cannot trade its own first round pick two years in a row. Not so, tweets Larry Coon, the CBA wizard at ESPN.  In response to a query from Henry Sanchez, a regular on NetsDaily, Coon explained why the pick can be dealt.  "Rule looks forward only and says teams can't at any point in time, be without any future 1st round pick in consecutive years," tweeted Coon. He summed it all up with a simple "Yes" when Sanchez asked if the Nets' own pick in 2012 was available for trade purposes. That's because the Nets already have the Lakers' first round pick in this year's draft from the Terrence Williams trade. The Nets also have the Rockets' first round pick in the 2012 draft, lottery protected, from the T-Will trade. That trade looks better and better every day.

Olympic Dreams

Deron Williams has said he would like to go for gold again at the 2012 London Olympics, having won his first in Beijing three years ago.  Only his balky wrist kept him off the World Championship squad last year.  Brook Lopez obviously wants to play as well. His bout with mono required him to leave Team USA training camp last summer. Johan Petro might play for France. Sasha Vujacic won't play for Slovenia. He and the basketball federation have been locked in a feud for years.

There's another possibility as well. Ben Uzoh has been seen working on his jumper at the PNY Center in recent days.  No doubt he's interested in returning to the Nets, but his next time in uniform may not be with the Nets or even in the NBA. He could be playing in the green-and-white colors of Team Nigeria at FIBA Afrobasket. African national teams will gather in Madagascar off the east coast of Africa in August to determine who gets an Olympic berth in London.

Uzoh's parents emigrated from Nigeria before settling in San Antonio, where Ben was born.  Back in March, Uzoh expressed an interest in playing for Team Nigeria, one of Africa's top teams.  In an interview with FIBA Africa while the Nets were playing at London's O2 Arena, the Olympic basketball venue, Uzoh was asked if he planned to play in Afrobasket.

"Yeah I have to see if I can do it," said the 6'3" point guard. "But I want to represent the country, my family, and my last name so I'm definitively working on that."

Sixteen countries will participate to the Afrobasket in two venues in the Madagascar capital of Antananarivo from August 17 to 28.

Tallying Up the D-Will Highlights

At season's end, Gary Sussman and his able staff laid out team and individual highlights.  We separated out some of D-Will's...and added a couple ourselves. Some we had heard or seen before, but not all of them. One surprise to us: Williams surpassed Jason Kidd on a number of historic Net stat lines.

• Deron Williams is one of only three players in the NBA this season to average a points/assists double-double. Williams ended 2010-11 averaging 20.1 points and 10.3 assists in 65 total games, 12 with New Jersey. The other two are Steve Nash, 14.7 points and 11.4 rebounds and Rajon Rondo, 10.6 points and 11.2 assists. Williams is the only NBA player this season to average 20 points and 10 assists.  The only other 20-10 players this season averaged 20 points and 10 rebounds. Kidd never had a 20-10 season and never averaged 10.0 assists per game as a Net, coming closest in 2001-02 at 9.9. He has two seasons where he averaged 10 assists per game with the Suns.

• Deron Williams had a career-high tying 21 assists vs. the Timberwolves on April 5. That marked his fifth career 20+ assist game and his first as a Net. The only other active player to have a 20+ assist game for two different teams is Andre Miller, who had one for Cleveland (December 15, 2001) and one for Denver (December 8, 2006). Kidd never had a 20 assist game for the Nets, although he had a 25 assist game while with the Suns.

• After Jordan Farmar dished out a career-high 17 assists at Washington on March 20, the Nets had three players who tallied at least 17 assists in a game this season. Devin Harris did it against the Nuggets on January 31 and Deron Williams did it three times. No other team in NBA history has had three players with 17-or-more assists in the same season.

• Deron Williams tallied 13 points and a season-high tying 18 assists vs. Phoenix on February 28 to become only the fifth active player in the NBA to record a double-double in each of his first five games with a new team after being acquired via trade or free agency. Below are the other four active players to achieve this feat and the teams they accomplished it with:
--Kevin Garnett (6 games) – via trade (Boston Celtics)
--Al Jefferson (5 games) – via trade (Minnesota Timberwolves)
--Shaquille O’Neal (8 games) – Free Agent Signee (Los Angeles Lakers)
--Zach Randolph (7 games) – via trade (New York Knicks)

• After tallying 17 assists on February 26 at Houston and 18 vs. Phoenix on February 28, Deron Williams is now the third player in Nets history to have 16+ assists in consecutive games. Surprisingly, neither one is named Kidd. Devin Devin Harris had 16 at Milwaukee on January 29 & 18 vs. Denver on January 31. Kenny Anderson had 17 vs. San Antonio on December 4, 1992 and 16 at Miami the next night.

• Deron Williams is the first Nets player in NBA franchise history (starting in 1976-77) to record a double-double in each of his first five games as a Net.

• Deron Williams recorded 24 points, 16 assists and zero turnovers as a member of the Jazz vs. the Pacers on December 1. Only 23 times in NBA history has a player tallied 20+ points, 15+ assists and 0 turnovers… Williams has now done it twice.

• After dishing out 18 assists vs. Toronto on March 5, Deron Williams became only the third player in NBA history with 10+ assists in five consecutive games with a new team. Mark Jackson did it five straight games with Toronto (2000) and Norm Nixon did it seven straight games with the Los Angeles Clippers (1983).

The State of Hoops

It's New Jersey Hoops Spring.  The NBA may be leaving in 17 months for "Baller's Paradise", uh, Barclays Center, but due to an extraordinary confluence of events--including the renovation of Madison Square Garden, Newark and its suburbs will be the scene of a lot of basketball stuff this spring.

Already, the NCAA Eastern Regionals were held at Prudential Center (and were the best attended regionals in the tournament). Next weekend, the NBA will hold a pre-draft group workout at the Nets' PNY Center in East Rutherford.  On May 17, the NBA Draft Lottery will return to NBA TV Studios in Secaucus. The WNBA's New York Liberty will begin the first of three seasons away from the Garden starting June 11. Then, on June 23, the most high profile event, the NBA Draft, will descend on "The Rock".

Joe Favorito, a sports marketing and communications consultant, writes the Draft will shine a big spotlight on the Nets' temporary home. "That can lead not just to strong word of mouth, but also to a second look next season when the Nets are back for year two, or maybe that fan decides to venture across for a Seton Hall game, or maybe for a show."

Draft Sleeper of the Week

Jeremy Tyler is probably the most intriguing figure in this year's draft. Two years ago, he was a high school junior in San Diego averaging nearly 29 points a game and looking like the top pick in the 2011 draft.  At 6'11", Tyler was the nation's top ranked junior in many polls, his post moves being compared to a young Hakeem Oljawon. He had already committed to Louisville. Then, suddenly, with the advice of some high-powered sneaker types, he dropped out of high school and announced he was off to Israel, where he would earn $140,000 to play professional ball.

It turned out to be a disastrous choice. In the 10 games Tyler played for Maccabi Haifa, Tyler averaged only 2.1 points and 1.9 rebounds in 7.6 minutes and exhibited an attitude that made DeMarcus Cousins look like a choir boy.  At one point, he stopped playing in a game at halftime because he wasn't getting the minutes he thought he deserved.  Then, suddenly, he simply packed up his bags and headed back to the US.

It looked like his chances for an NBA career had been severely set back. Then just as suddenly, he showed up this season in Tokyo, of all places, playing for the Tokyo Apache in the Japanese League.  Before the league shut down following Japan's earthquake and tsunami, Tyler averaged 9.9 points and 6.1 rebounds coming off the bench...and received accolades for his change in attitude. The big reason: he played for former Spurs coach Bob Hill who was a tough taskmaster.

As a 19-year-old American who played overseas, Tyler is automatically eligible for this year's draft. His stock is all over the place, from mid-first round to end of the second. NBADraft.net has had him as the Nets' first round pick for a couple of weeks on its mock draft. The front office may get a look at him next weekend. He's still on the fence about joining the big group workout at PNY Center. If he does, he's likely to be the headliner.  If they're interested, the Nets can rely on two trusted sources of information on Tyler. The team has good relations with Maccabi Haifa. The Nets, remember, played Maccabi in the Prudential Center pre-season opener last October. And Avery Johnson played two plus years under Hill at San Antonio.

Normally, Tyler's not the kind of kid you'd want to invest in...and considering the Nets record with head cases, it's got to be a huge red flag. (The Nets took Sean Williams even after he declined to take the NBA psychological test.) But one advantage of having the Springfield Armor as your farm team is an ability to let a young, immature player develop down on the farm. Whoever the Nets draft will work this summer (lockout permitting) with the D-League team's coaches both in the summer league and in training camp.  A low first round pick or early second rounder (the Nets have both) could spend time there developing his game, knowing he's following Johnson's game plans on offense and defense.

Prokhorov Changes Coaches...in Russia

Until recently, Wolfgang  Pichler was the "worst enemy" of the Russian Biathlon Union, according to Russian sports sites. After the 2009 doping scandals in which former world champion Ekaterina Iourieva and two others were banned for two years and Russia's national team was forced to withdraw from the World Cup, Pichler, then Sweden's coach  denounced Russian biathlon, and the system itself, called it "thoroughly rotten".  On Friday, Mikhail Prokhorov hired him as the Russian women's biathlon team's head coach.

"I'm going to Russia, because I believe in the new leadership of the Russian Biathlon Union," said Pichler of  Prokhorov, president of the Russian Biathlon Union, and Sergei Kushchenko, his chief sports advisor.  "I see they have the desire to build a new system that will win without doping. As a coach I have the expertise to determine who achieves success only because of his work and talent, and someone tries to cheat. And if I did not believe that in Russia everything will be clean, I would not agree to the proposal of the RRF."

The Russian women’s biathlon team has been without a coach since their failure at the world championships held in Khanty-Mansiysk, Russia this past March. At the championships, Anatoly Hovantsev was fired right in the middle of the relay race, the final event in the women's program! No need to finish the race...you're done!  In explaining the circumstances, Prokhorov has said he's willing to fire people who don't meet his requirements, citing his dismissal of Kiki Vandeweghe.

"I am ready to accept full responsibility and all criticism," said Prokhorov.  Avery Johnson is NOT in any trouble with Team Prokhorov, but the whole scenario shows the Nets' owner is willing to make moves quickly and without sentimentality towards high-profile hires or without any bitterness towards former critics.

President Prokhorov?

Meanwhile, Prokhorov has rejected rumors he is planning to go into politics. "Is that a joke? Is it still April 1?" Prokhorov said when he was asked this week if he intended to head a Russian opposition party. "I like what I do now. I have never gone into politics, and don’t want to," he added. On Monday, a Russian daily wrote that Prokhorov had been offered the head of the Right Cause (Pravoe Delo) political party.

Prokhorov has been the center of controversy in recent weeks.  He wants to change the Russian labor code and is using his position as the chair of a committee on economic reforms to push the idea that the work force need not be limited to a 40-hour work week. Both President Dmitri Medvedev and Prime Minister Vladimir Putin have publicly said his plan won't fly.  He's still pushing.

Meanwhile Back in Brooklyn...

Amidst news that yet a third sports bar is planned opposite Barclays Center, a long-awaited documentary about the struggle of local landowners and tenants to stop the arena and Atlantic Yards has debuted at the Brooklyn Film Festival. "The Battle for Brooklyn", which as the New York Observer notes had as much trouble getting funding as the project itself.  An earlier version of this item confused "The Battle for Brooklyn" with an earlier documentary, "Brooklyn Matters".

What's the difference between the two? The Observer: "unlike Brooklyn Matters, this doc appears to be less of a polemic meant to sway the public against Ratner and the Nets than a swan song for a battle lost. Maybe they could screen it on the Barclays Centre Plaza when it opens next year."

 

Final Note: Chris Charlier and The "Other" Brooklyn Rapper

We've written about Brooklyn-born John Forte before. He's the former Fugees producer and friend of Christophe Charlier who was pardoned by former President Bush in 2008. He had been serving a 14-year prison sentence. Forte was jailed on charges related to a 2000 drug arrest. He was found guilty of carrying $1.4 million in cocaine. Charlier, who went to school with Forte at Exeter in New Hampshire, bankrolled a Russian tour for his friend and now Forte has his first album, based on the tour. Dubbed "From Brooklyn to Russia With Love!", the tour saw Forte travel to Moscow, St. Petersburg, Nizhny Novgorod, Ekaterinburg as well as cities along the Trans-Siberia Railway in Siberia.

Errata

"Errata" is Latin for we screwed up. Last week, we reported the Nets practice facility would have digital signs scattered around the court, signs that could change with the coach's mood.  Alas, we misread some materials we found on the web. The signs are graphic and vinyl. Better than black and white, but not digital.

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Speaking of road to success

they had a .500 record at home, but a terrible road record, so some talent is there, just need it consistently.

And alot of F.A. talk but King could re-shape the roster with a trade, and i like the talent of bigs to select from the draft, none game changers but solid 12mpg guys.

"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.

by JJ25 on Apr 30, 2011 5:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

I fully expect King to take the trade route to improve the roster. The new CBA may force teams to deal players they wouldnt otherwise deal to get under cap restrictions. BK would be ready to pounce with our flexibility.

by nynjlawyer on Apr 30, 2011 5:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

yes sir

@Al_Iannazzone: BREAKING NEWS: Nets are close to acquiring Deron WIlliams from Utah, sources told The Record.
-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.

by Andy. on Apr 30, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Money aint everything its the only thing”

Good write up as usual NI.

I can’t wait to see what type of offers we put out there.

by power_njerz on Apr 30, 2011 6:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

fascinating stuff comparing the Kidd trade with the DWIll one

kind of eerie, actually. Hopefully this deal gives us similar success (hopefully more). This roster and team has the potential to be deadly.

by ohhcomely on Apr 30, 2011 6:13 PM EDT reply actions  

imagine if we had lopez instead of twin

The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists

R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"

by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 30, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not alot of teams over the cap

"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.

by JJ25 on Apr 30, 2011 6:31 PM EDT reply actions  

i think you mean under the cap

as of now the nets are like a couple hundred thousand over the 58 million soft cap. but they have 6th lowest payroll in the nba.

teams under them thunder, bulls(payroll will balloon in next year or two). cavs and kings(likely will still be under for awhile). t’wolves and clippers(if they plan on keeping their core together going to have to add more pieces)

the luxury tax is 70 million and nine teams were over but the next 6 teams were within two million of the limit

The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists

R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"

by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 30, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

Not alot of teams over the cap, for this off-season, meaning 2011-2012 season.

"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.

by JJ25 on Apr 30, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Imagine if that J-kidd squad had Stephan Jackson going up against the Spurs and Lakers smh

"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."

by Atronic on Apr 30, 2011 6:48 PM EDT reply actions  

bad move

Stevie has said that the Nets dumped him because he was too associated with Marbury. He lived with Marbury and his family during the season.

And whenever Stevie plays a team coached by Lawrence Frank, he will say hello. Frank had been an assistant with the Grizzlies the year before when Jackson was the last man cut. He recommended that the Nets bring Stevie into training camp.

by Net Income on Apr 30, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn’t Capt Jack also a psycho at that time??? He didn’t calm down until his bobcat years.

by power_njerz on Apr 30, 2011 8:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

no he played overseas until he got to new jersey

marbury took him in the nets gave him his first official nba shot. but marbury was a terrible influence on him and the team.

he wasnt the headcase we know until he got to indiana. i think the fact he got dumped by new jersey and san antonio really ticked him off by the time he got to indy and that team wasnt built to give out therapy and counseling.

The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists

R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"

by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 30, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, what.
Sasha Vujacic is the best emulation for the style of play that Lucious Harris had: great defender, ability to shoot the 3, excellent jump shooter.

I guess its just me, but I though when Sasha stepped on the court we had defensive breakdowns aplenty.

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Apr 30, 2011 7:44 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

jadande J.A. Adande
By overwhelming demand: Sasha Vujacic #shooterswhocantshoot
23 Apr

by Andres B on Apr 30, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

NetIncome

who’s the best Mock-Draft site.

"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.

by JJ25 on Apr 30, 2011 8:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Draft Express has been for a while

but in this draft, where I suspect there will be surprises aplenty on Draft Night, who knows.

If you look at Draft Express and NBADraft.net right now, you will see a lot of conflicts.

by Net Income on Apr 30, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I see

Tyler and Lee, vs. on Draftexpress I see two guys I never heard of.

"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.

by JJ25 on Apr 30, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be nice....

I’d be very happy with a young Hakeem Olajojuan(Sp)………as a back up to Dwight Howard or a back up at Power forward……

by NetFan48 on Apr 30, 2011 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

depends on workouts

and more importantly, the interviews and psychological tests.

I assume he will be and I also assume Singler will go a lot higher than he’s listed now. GMs have to look at the three and four year guys from big programs who have done well in the NBA .

by Net Income on Apr 30, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why risk

would these two picks play a big role anyway?

I think they would most likely be sent to the Armor.

"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.

by JJ25 on Apr 30, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

i should have said risk

the problem is if you take a knucklehead, it can affect team chemistry.

by Net Income on Apr 30, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wiz

"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.

by JJ25 on Apr 30, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have the longest plyoff drought in the Eastern Conference.

But there are 4 western teams that have had a drought as long or longer than ours.

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Apr 30, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed.

The four west teams I mentioned are the Warriors (since 2007), the Kings (2006), the Clippers (2006), and the T-Wolves (2004)

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Apr 30, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind JeJuan Johnson,

but he’s too lean.

"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.

by JJ25 on Apr 30, 2011 8:32 PM EDT reply actions  

would rather take a chance on jeremy tyler. or even a euro big.

Other than kenneth faried. No other big man intrigues me.

many wings and guards to look at late.

@Al_Iannazzone: BREAKING NEWS: Nets are close to acquiring Deron WIlliams from Utah, sources told The Record.
-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.

by Andy. on Apr 30, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Faried will be gone

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Apr 30, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course

@Al_Iannazzone: BREAKING NEWS: Nets are close to acquiring Deron WIlliams from Utah, sources told The Record.
-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.

by Andy. on Apr 30, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh

i like Nikola Vucevic also.

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-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.

by Andy. on Apr 30, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Respectfully disagree
That’s because the Nets already have the Lakers’ first round pick in this year’s draft from the Terrence Williams trade. The Nets also have the Rockets’ first round pick in the 2012 draft, lottery protected, from the T-Will trade. That trade looks better and better every day.

Trade was horrible. First of all the Laker pick was essentially acquired for joe smith and savings from getting rid of sashas contract. Even if the trade was t-will for the rockets pick, laker pick, and sasha theres nothing there that will end up in a player as good as t-will. Sure he was a headcase but its a basketball team and not a boy scout troop. T-will is damn good at basketball.

by NJNETS29 on Apr 30, 2011 8:32 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

A 17th pick in the

2012 NBA draft could be solid.

"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.

by JJ25 on Apr 30, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

From the Rockets?

I’m skeptical we ever get a first round pick from it. I definitely don’t see them making the playoffs next year. When does it turn into a second rounder?

by NJNETS29 on Apr 30, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

true

i thought it was sooner

by NJNETS29 on Apr 30, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually 2017

—The Rockets’ 2012 first rounder. The pick is lottery protected (1-14) through 2016. If the Rockets pick falls in the lottery in 2012, the pick rolls over each year, again through 2016. In 2017, it would become a second round pick.

So the Rockets would have to be in the lottery in 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2016. Not likely with Daryl Morey as their GM.

by Net Income on Apr 30, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

very likely with yao and adleman gone

adleman was a great coach and you cant deny yao’s impact when healthy. thing is now with yao and hayes likely gone and scola already 31 they have a very young and raw frontcourt behind scola

unless they get a true big or thabeet develops they aint going nowhere. also it might help if they played this guy williams.

so either the rockets pick wont amount to crap because they didnt play t-will or t-will wins MIP with the rockets and unlocks that pick for us in the near future

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 30, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

5 years is a long draught

they wont make it next year or the year after but i don’t think they go 5 years without making the playoffs. that pick still isnt worth much imo

by NJNETS29 on May 1, 2011 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

We should draft LeBryan Nash

Combo of LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, and Steve Nash.

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
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by NetsMets4Life on Apr 30, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

He may be "damn good" at basketball

if you consider “damn good” to be “rumored to possibly not be in the NBA within 3 years.”

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Apr 30, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

No.

Thats both of them.

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Apr 30, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate the Artest comparison. There is a difference between a funny headcase and just a headcase.

Artest was not only the former, but possibly the toughest defender in the entirety of the NBA.

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Apr 30, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

what was funny?

t-will skipping out on practice because he felt his role was diminished after being a rare highlight throughout a historically atrocious season. now having to wait for adleman to get pushed out the door to finally play again. sure he took his entitlement too far but avery did little to calm him down. situation could have been handled much better

or an elite 20 ppg defensive forward who used to drink during live games, not give a ____ when his team stunk. intentionally instigate and escalate confrontations. being the main antagonist in one of the worst sports brawls ever. handed the longest suspension in nba history. on trial for felony charges. choking other players during games

there’s not much funny with headcases who cant draw the line. i would call someone like raja bell or deshawn stevenson an enforcer but not a headcase because they kept it on the court. but then you have guys like chris mullin, michael ray richardson, vin baker, ruben patterson and marques johnson who i would call headcases because they had serious off court issues.

yes mullin was a headcase he had a serious drinking problem and if the warriors didnt sit him for like 6 months he may have ended up like eddie griffin R.I.P.

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 30, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

"situation could have been handled much better."

How so? He was causing issues that everyone knew about and it was not improving, so they traded him. Done.

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Apr 30, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

who gets sent down to the d-league for behavior rehabilitation

it was a (pr)oe move by avery instead of handling it like a man and talking to him straight up and getting to him he handles it like kindergarten teacher and puts him in timeout without any real justification and makes snide remarks about him after the fact.

avery, d’antoni, adleman, don nelson…four guys you dont want trying to develop young players with any type of flaw or attitude issue. the kid just went through a 12 win season on a team designed to and failed hard at tanking to get better. i would have cut him some slack it being his first year and all

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on May 1, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

When he played for us he played well

Thats all i can say about it for now I guess. Adelman also might have gotten fired for not playing him.

by NJNETS29 on Apr 30, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

he was not consistent

and he was and is all about Terrence Williams.

by Net Income on Apr 30, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

He needed to shoot better/smarter

But even with his inconsistency he shot 40%, approximately vujacic and was actually a good defender. Would have liked to see him play with Deron and he probably would have picked up some easy baskets. Whatever I guess, you’re right this is tiresome and its over. Hopefully we get a more capable wing in free agency.

by NJNETS29 on Apr 30, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

lmaooo he got fired BECAUSE

he didnt play the great T-Will UN-BE….. NVMD

by nwkiddnj on Apr 30, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure why you’re laughing unless you’re laughing at Daryl Morey.. He traded for Williams and Thabeet and Adelman didn’t play them. Regardless of how good T-Will or Thabeet is that doesn’t exactly make Morey look good..

When the Rockets acquired swingman Terrence Williams on Dec. 15 and asked Adelman to toss Williams into the mix of a roster bloated with swingmen, Adelman didn’t balk. He didn’t play Williams, but he didn’t publicly deride a trade that did little to positively impact his bottom line. When the Rockets jettisoned Battier to Memphis, acquiring pennies on the dollar from the Grizzlies in the form of Hasheem Thabeet and DeMarre Carroll, Adelman shortened his rotation and kept the Rockets running. In totality these moves were made with an eye on the future and represented a concession in the present. That the Rockets wouldn’t want Adelman, 64, overseeing their youthful roster makes perfect sense.

http://www.foxsportshouston.com/msn/04/18/11/Report-Adelman-out-as-Rockets-coach/landing_rockets.html?blockID=506410&feedID=3716

by NJNETS29 on Apr 30, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Its an opinion

and i am laughing because you said A coach may have been fired BECAUSE he didnt play T-Will……..

by nwkiddnj on Apr 30, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

but thats basically what happened

the rockets did just about everything to help adleman get the point. they dumped t-mac, battier, alston, showed little interest in retaining yao and hayes

yet all adleman does is reminensce on what if yao and t-mac stayed healthy. instead of playing thabeet he continues to start hayes and scola together and forces jordan hill to play center.

and judging from last year what has t-will done that makes you not want to play him in a fresh start? maybe morey thought adleman would be able to get through to t-will to slash more shoot less and facilitate

t-will and sasha basically shot the same percentage but sasha is a terrible defender whereas t-will still has a chance to be a solid defender as well a point forward

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 30, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

for one i am a huge l'ville fan so i stick up for my birds even the most talented ones

and last season he and lopez were the only reason i watched. they made those Yi 20 footers, harris self-made iso’s, boone missed free throws, alston whining, and hassel and simmons stealing minutes from lee and cd-r and t-will somewhat plausible if i drank myself to sleep after every game

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on May 1, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

tiresome

TWill has REAL problems…OKAY, real problems.

by Net Income on Apr 30, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know what you're referring to specifically.

I haven’t seen anything reported that indicate “real” problems but it seems like you know something we don’t.

by NJNETS29 on Apr 30, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

nothing has been reported

that doesn’t mean nothing happened.

by Net Income on Apr 30, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

But do you actually know for a fact about an issue that we do not?

Or is this just being skeptical? I think the guy was trouble, but you seem to indicate there is something more.

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Apr 30, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well at least now they have 5 players moving forward rather than

2

Lopez
Harris

vs. Avery’s 5.

"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.

by JJ25 on Apr 30, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will it eventually come out?

I’m curious… and not surprised.

by Pawley on Apr 30, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

nothing has been reported

So how bout you report something then reporter?

by vincecarter4pres on May 1, 2011 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Also

As long as a trade happened after this year’s draft night, we could still have traded our 2012 pick even if we didn’t have LA’s pick. The rule that prevents teams from trading their picks in consecutive years only apllies for future picks, so trying to making this horrible trade better because of this is pointless anyway.

by Andres B on May 1, 2011 5:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't be comfortable

picking up W.Chandler in FA. becuase Knicks fans will talk their A88 off saying he wants to go to the Knicks and I agree.

"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.

by JJ25 on Apr 30, 2011 9:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it depends

on how good they think they can be next season.

by Net Income on Apr 30, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh so like getting a Atwan Jamison (only above average player I found on expiring)

and seeing how they play from there?

I really like a Nene for now and the future, Jamal Crawford may be kept if they manage to beat the Bulls, and Butller (is an intresting pick on cheap deal)

"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.

by JJ25 on Apr 30, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Nene and Lopez

would be a great trade bait for Howard.

"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.

by JJ25 on Apr 30, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

DO you honestly think?

That denver would let Nene walk?

by dmend19 on Apr 30, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

why dont you look it up? its not that hard. internet is pretty easy to use

even if you had common knowledge of the nba rules you would know nene is an UFA seeing he’s been with the nuggets since 2003.

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on May 1, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's up to him though he's not restricted

uness they pay him more than he’s worth.

"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.

by JJ25 on Apr 30, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

you should remember one thing

the Nets are NOT unhappy with Lopez and will be happy to proceed with him if they don’t get Howard.

by Net Income on Apr 30, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im in no way unhappy with lopez either

He’s VERY durable a very good scorer and if he can hit the weight room and put on 20 pounds I think he could be a top 2 or 3 center in the league

by dmend19 on Apr 30, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nene and Lopez

would be a grat consolation prize if no Howard.

"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.

by JJ25 on Apr 30, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's not restricted

But denver is gonna be willing to give him a VERY healthy contract

by dmend19 on Apr 30, 2011 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Play with two Stars with Lopez and Williams +get paid and play the position your'e best at

or Stay in Denver and get paid, IDK maybe 3 Million more a year.

"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.

by JJ25 on Apr 30, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll give Nene 13 Million a year

Nuggets will maybe offer a Max contract of 15-16 Million.

Nene-13 Million
Kirelinko-5 Million

"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.

by JJ25 on Apr 30, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats a lot...

But if theres no chance at dwight I’d do it just for the nene\brook combo

by dmend19 on Apr 30, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nets need someone to make Williams stay

Lopez / Petro
Nene / Draft
Kirelinko / Outlaw
Draft / Morrow
Williams / Farmar

"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.

by JJ25 on Apr 30, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Draft / Morrow

Thats the only question mark..

by NJNETS29 on Apr 30, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

DEF.

We can start Morrow until we develop or aquire a 2

by nwkiddnj on Apr 30, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Theres also a chance to trade James

for a SG. A vet min. SG could be good, Parker or Hill.

"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.

by JJ25 on Apr 30, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was interested when you said you were going to examine the Magic’s finances but then you just pointed out what we already know, that the player salaries will be among the highest in the league.

Apparently, the owner, Rick DeVos, has done well with his investment, he paid only $85M in 1991 and recently the Magic were valued at $385M. Compare that to Ratner’s investment. He also has naming rights for the new publicly funded arena for his company, Amway, for $40M for 10 years, compare that to what Barclays is paying. DeVos is reported to be a billionaire several times over, he sits atop the Amway cash pyramid.

by ispartan on Apr 30, 2011 9:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Back in the 80s, it seemed like every time I met someone, I was approached like this: You really seem to have a good head for business, I would like to get together with you to discuss a business partnership. It would turn out to be Amway. I may not be the brightest guy but I caught on and I would just ask, Is your business, Amway? They were never upfront about it. Now I am feeling annoyed about it again and really hope the Nets get Howard from DeVos.

by ispartan on Apr 30, 2011 9:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He's a headcase

who isn’t very good and also continually bashes the Nets front office. Zero chance he’s coming back.

by NetsKiNG on Apr 30, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

He will definitely need one

pretty sure he had more tweets than points this season.

by NetsKiNG on Apr 30, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

there will be at least one team that will pick him up

you can’t sit here and say he’s going overseas.
Bulls? UK connection with Rose, would sign for vet’s min
Bobcats? Jordan would do it
Knicks?

by JerseysFinest. on Apr 30, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree

someone is going to sign him. its not going to be the nets though

by NJNETS29 on Apr 30, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

memphis connection not UK

guarantee rose will vouch for him as 10th man rotational guy. all he has to do is use his length to prove to thibs he can play defense

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 30, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rose will want CDR and SG is the Bulls weakest position, by far.
He is also an admired player in Memphis, if they trade Mayo or can’t keep Battier that could be another likely destination for him.
Knicks could use a cheap pick up at the 2.

by Andres B on May 1, 2011 5:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lmao Jarkid is still alive and well

he just liked one of my comments on a DWill status… IDK but that made me ROFL

by nwkiddnj on Apr 30, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

riveting tale, chap.

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Apr 30, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brook Lopez ranked third in the NBA among centers in free throw percentage at .787 (384-488). He also ranked second in the NBA among centers in total free
throw attempts with 489, trailing only Dwight Howard at 916.

o.O wow

by bronxbombers2 on Apr 30, 2011 9:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Its really a shame

Hed be an even more outstanding of a scorer.

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Apr 30, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dwight shot a pretty high % during the playoffs

substantially higher than his regular season % I believe.

by NetsKiNG on Apr 30, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he was a good FT shooter i doubt teams

would hack him constantly

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by David28 on Apr 30, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah if he shot 75% FT

teams would not hack him. he would be shooting close to 60% fg every year though

he gives up at least 2 or 3 points of his PPG at the line

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R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"

by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 30, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well it said he was 384-488

and then he attempted 489. Which is it?!?

by bronxbombers2 on Apr 30, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Greg Oden will be a restricted free agent during this offseason and the Blazers are almost certain to extend the qualifying offer.

But there are also reports that the Blazers may make a four-year, $40 million offer.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/213422/Oden_Looks_At_Free_Agency_As_His_Move#ixzz1L3xsqSNw

Gezz…How much is Hump going to make? Yikes!

@Al_Iannazzone: BREAKING NEWS: Nets are close to acquiring Deron WIlliams from Utah, sources told The Record.
-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.

by Andy. on Apr 30, 2011 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

That's ludicrous.

"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur

by NetsMets4Life on Apr 30, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

As one Eastern Conference executive put it on Friday, "If you know Oden is a 1-in-20 shot to come back and be a factor, you have to take it. Because not signing him, you have a 0-in-20 shot of being there if he does.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/213422/Oden_Looks_At_Free_Agency_As_His_Move#ixzz1L42wsUQt

I really hope thats not Billy Knig..

by NJNETS29 on Apr 30, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope Magic won't trade Howard,

then Howard can hit the FA pool like LeBron did, and Howard will keep saying like he likes Orlando.
 
We can sign Howard as a FA. And we will have a front court like Robinson + Duncan.
 
This is our 2012-13 Lineup
 
Brooklyn Nets Opening Night Roster:
 
Dwight "Super Man" Howard
 Brook "Big Disney" Lopez
 Thaddeus Young
 J.R.Smith
 Deeeerrron Williams

by jarkid on Apr 30, 2011 10:32 PM EDT reply actions  

you know

if the nets pursue dwight howard by signing players that will also give them “flexibility”, and the nets miss on howard, where do they go from there? if im the nets, if rudy gay is on the table, i jump right at him or go after granger, the nets need to get better NOW and not wait for dwight howard, they should sign a good wing and good bench guys and try to improve their team as a whole
a lineup of:
Dwill
crawford
gay or granger
hump
lopez
and solid bench guys
this with a stronger lopez is enough to make a deep playoff run and possibly a championship run
if we miss on howard, guys like gay and granger wont be there then..

by nets14 on Apr 30, 2011 10:33 PM EDT reply actions  

gay and lopez?

thats way to much that two 20 a game scorers and both are very young, id rather keep gay and lopez

by nets14 on Apr 30, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha wow!

Although Gay and Lopez would be a ton to give up, this is Dwight Howard we’re talking about…

by vincecarter4pres on May 1, 2011 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also

Signing guys to good contracts make its more possible to trade for players like DH..

by NJNETS29 on Apr 30, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

cap space is irreleavnt unless both teams are under the cap

and the magic have a payroll of close to 90 million before this season officially ends. so might as well add more affordable pieces so the nets have to give up less and have enough depth after the trade to be able to take one of the bad magic contracts

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on May 1, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, cap space is not irrelevant, it's extremely important to have leverage.

Need I explain?

I might come off like a dick right now, but this is what others and I are talking about in other threads.

You’re a casual fan and don’t know, that’s fine, no big deal, but if you want to try and act like you know, come correct and understand the way the NBA works.

To use a poker analogy, a lot of times people bluff on the river when they have nothing to try and win a pot they can’t win with a showdown, but when you ask them why they bluffed in that spot, all they’ll tell you is, “It was the only way I could have won the pot.”

There’s a lot more to it than that and that’s the reason why so many people get called on the river by middle pair with a wet board and the bluffer is baffled and on the flip side if the bluffer wins the pot they think they made the correct play even though it was probably the opposite, but the result worked so that’s all they’re concerned with…

by vincecarter4pres on May 1, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have no clue what youre talking about

as far as i understand youre right in one respect but wrong in another. yes cap space is needed or else dwight might have no choice but to go back to orlando. I think you are trying to imply that WE need to have cap space to make orlando deal but thats not the case. as long as 1 attractive destination for dwight has some cap space orlando might look to make a trade. also are we are more able to get cap space through trades with players under team friendly contracts. look at what miami did. they traded away beasly and everyone else on the roster to open up cap space, if you have players with good contract thats not so hard to do.

by NJNETS29 on May 1, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Say Minny has cap space.

Dwight threatens,“Trade me to LAL or I go to Minny.”

Otis say, “OK Dwight, I’m sorry things didn’t workout here, best in your future endeavors.”

Say we have cap space.

The difference is we are an attractive destination, meaning we force hands, cause Dwight actually will sign here.

But more importantly, if Otis calls Dwight’s bluff plus he subscribes to the theory of tanking over mediocrity, we NEED the cap space to actually sign him.

Cap space is a must.

We don’t need full max, but we need enough where if worse comes to worst we can either trade a guy like Morrow for cap who is desirable or even worse, renounce Brook so we do have the cap to sign him.

by vincecarter4pres on May 1, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

who are the nets going to trade for rudy gay or danny granger?

they would have to add pieces to get that done or have a severly depleted and cash-strapped roster but you know if they put all that effort into adding good tradeable pieces why would they want to give up on it after 3 months?

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 30, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

okay and then what

dwill, ______
_, ______
rudy,______
hump,______, outlaw
lopez,______

and i highly doubt memphis doesnt ask for hump to go in that deal. whether straight up to memphis or in a three team deal where we give hump to a third team and that said team give memphis something in return

rudy and d-will eat up about 35 mil. outlaw 7 so thats 42, lopez 3 so thats 45 mil.
so 4 players for 45 mill. around 10 mil under the soft cap. no picks unless they buy a bunch of low 1st rounders or 2nd rounders

yeah i’d rather add one or two free agents to take pressure of james and morrow and build up d-will, morrow, james, hump, and lopez and add rookies who can produce just as good or better than sasha, wright, outlaw, and petro. farmar : he can be flipped for an older starter or pick for all i care

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 30, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

they sign people

say they send morrow and james and filler, sign for example jamal crawford
dwill, farmar, gaines
crawford, sasha
gay, outlaw
hump, rookie, wright
lopez, free agent x

by nets14 on May 1, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

plus they can go over the cap to sign their own players

ala hump, sasha, wright
obviously all at the right price

by nets14 on May 1, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

in a normal trade morrow and james are filler

you are seriously underrating rudy gay’s value to the grizzlies and in the nba in general.

this is silly to continue to prove why this will never happen because it never will. so i will continue to ignore these future “rudy to nets” proposals by anyone here and facepalm myself

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on May 1, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

why would memphis regret it

they can use battier and jaric’s expiring cap holds to re-sign gasol and they are set for the future until its time to re-sign mayo in about 3 years

rudy gay is actually good. a potential all-star, won gold medal behind kevin durant on team usa.

there is nothing for memphis to regret. they have their core locked up simultaneous to the spurs, lakers, and mavs beginning to fade

i’m sure they wont care about the 70 mil payroll when they are consistently in the playoffs and on more than 2 national tv games each year as the lakers, mavs, and spurs begin their battles with father time who i think is undefeated

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on May 1, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

why cant morrow, james and picks get it done?

the reason why it is rumored that he is on the table is because of the grizzlies recent success without him, morrow is young, has a cheap contract, and can improve and is a lights out shooter, perfect bench player for the grizz, james hasnt played a full season yet and has the perfect nba body, can rebound and defend, plus picks, and cap relief on a team that has many guys to sign and may want to sign guys like gasol back, they wouldnt have enough money to do that if they kept gay, so they may want to keep this team together, they cant do that with gay there,
THATS why they MIGHT want to trade him, remember they have to sign back conley AND gasol

by nets14 on May 1, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

its sounds like we're just doing them a favor in this scenario...

THEY gave Rudy that contract. we would have taken Rudy off their hands last summer, but were never given the chance. let memphis worry about their own max contracts and cap relief issues.

by Chakroot on May 1, 2011 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

not really

we are getting back a very very good player and have the cap space to do so, the grizz dont

by nets14 on May 1, 2011 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

can you please do some research and provide some links

i would like links of these rumors where memphis is financially struggling.

i would like links to the rudy gay trade rumors.

remember conley is already on his new deal, hey-sooz(jesus)

like i said battier and jaric come off the books, z-bo took less money, gasol will be in memphis next year

mayo is the only person due a new deal that matters and thats not for another 3 years

they already have perfect bench players and defenders. what they need is a go to perimeter scorer oh wait they already do its just his arm is in a sling

and success wihtout him? he missed 25 games and the playoffs. if anything they would have been a 5th or 6th seed

cap relief? how is it cap relief when rudy produces equivalent to morrow, james, and farmar combined and locked up for 6 years and morrow and farmar expire in two years and james QO comes up in 3 years? they’ll end up overpaying them or losing the production in general

winning in the playoffs for more than one year >>>> couple million shaved off on the annual payroll

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on May 1, 2011 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't even bother, this debate is going nowhere fast.

Gay goes on the block a team like Minny will ship Beasley and their draft pick for him…

We can’t come up with an offer good enough for Rudy Gay unless we ship Lopez.

Granger could be a different story though, I don’t think there would be a true bidding war for him.

I have to correct a couple things though…

1. Mayo will be a RFA after this season.

2. Gay was signed to a 5 year deal, not 6.

by vincecarter4pres on May 1, 2011 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

and all that does is crowd memphis rotation

conley, vazquez, farmar
mayo, morrow, henry
allen, james, young
randolph, arthur
gasol, haddadi

how do you split minutes when everyone that plays 1, 2, or 3 deservedly can play at least 15 minutes a night?

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 30, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

which isnt close enough to equal talent value or matching salaries

so hump will be gone and i have a better chance of becoming president before i’m 23 then this trade ever having solid fruition

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on May 1, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

when do teams

ever get matching talent for stars?

by nets14 on May 1, 2011 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

when do teams

just trade away their franchise player for scraps on the verge of becoming a force in the west?

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on May 1, 2011 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

if the nets pursue dwight howard by signing players that will also give them "flexibility", and the nets miss on howard, where do they go from there?

A) None of the free agents save maybe Nene are that good or one’s you’ll regret passing on.

B) There’s nothing wrong going forward with Lopez.

C) We’ll still have solid cap space including Lopez’ cap hold and players like the one’s available this season are a dime a dozen. We’re better off throwing all the cap at a RFA in 2012 if Dwight is off the table.

D) Trade, trade, trade, trade!

E) You’re not getting Gay without giving up Lopez and Granger is a guy that we’ll go after if he’s out there IMHO, but they’ll get better offers then we can put together in all likelihood.

by vincecarter4pres on May 1, 2011 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nene 4years/52 Million , Kirelinko 3years/12 Million, D.Stevenson 2year/5Million

Lopez / Petro
Nene / Outlaw / Draft
Kirelinko / James
Stevenson / Morrow / Draft
Williams / Farmar

How may wins?

"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.

by JJ25 on Apr 30, 2011 11:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't get the

obsession with Nene. I mean he is a solid player but damn he is not THAT good.

In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.

8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
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by Claud on Apr 30, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

i know right

id take a lower priced hump any day of the week

by nets14 on Apr 30, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Becuase I still haven't seen him play with a PG

who averages 10apg.

"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.

by JJ25 on Apr 30, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would sign ak as a back up PF

i dont think his body can take starting minutes.

@Al_Iannazzone: BREAKING NEWS: Nets are close to acquiring Deron WIlliams from Utah, sources told The Record.
-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.

by Andy. on Apr 30, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yo NI i hate speculating in the future but i have a question now after reading this

okay first ASSUME THE CAP AND ALL THE CBA STUFF STAYS SAME

if the nets did go with internal improvement, and re-signed hump and added one free agent plus two rookies to remain under the cap this summer. and play with like a 47-52 million payroll.

now 2012 comes along. the nets are still under the cap they could sign and trade lopez for howard without making him a base year player? or if they renounced his rfa rights and QO and fell back under the cap could they still extend and front load his new deal and go over the soft cap and trade him for howard to help match salaries easier and just decline the salary for the latter years on his deal?

or if dwight picks up his option lopez gets a QO, could they use his early bird rights to extend him on an rfa extension and then trade him after the july moratorium “poison pill” area but still bloat his salary to match closer to dwight and not be BYC?

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 30, 2011 11:33 PM EDT reply actions  

classic vujacic
Sasha Vujacic won’t play for Slovenia. He and the basketball federation have been locked in a feud for years.

by Chakroot on Apr 30, 2011 11:41 PM EDT reply actions  

NI says t-will is full of himself sasha has always been full of himself
Last season Vujacic’s shooting percentage dropped to 38.7% (from 45.4%) and his three point shooting took a big dip as well to 36%. That resulted in a little less time on the court and his points per game dropping to just 5.8. In the playoffs it got worse, he shot just 26% and Jackson cut his minutes way back. Then he missed every shot he took in the Finals.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/sports/Sasha-Vujacic-Cut-From-Slovenian-National-Team-54606902.html

While Goran expressed his lack of friendship with Vujacic, the Lakers guard wouldn’t even acknowledge Dragic, as he called him "the kid on the other team" in a post-game interview. Vujacic also said that he’d never heard of Dragic when he was back home.


http://valleyofthesuns.com/2010/05/28/the-slovenian-rivalry-between-goran-dragic-and-sasha-vujacic/
Read more: http://valleyofthesuns.com/2010/05/28/the-slovenian-rivalry-between-goran-dragic-and-sasha-vujacic/#ixzz1L4OCOO00

There are reports that a sore knee may have hindered his play, but both Pau Gasol and Tony Parker have suffered injuries and both still remain on their national teams’ rosters. And this is Slovenia, not France or Spain.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/242226-sasha-vujacic-gets-cut-from-slovenian-national-team-seriously

Sasha-of-the-Lakers tells a sordid tale of what appears to be a purely political move by Team Slovenia coaches and trainers to keep Vujacic off the team. The greater problem, it seems, is that Slovenia recklessly gambled with Vujacic’ physical well-being when team doctors inadequately addressed a reported knee injury.

http://www.ballineurope.com/us-basketball/nba/best-of-the-basketball-net-gripes-n-grievances-edition/

In any case, Zdovc and company got the last laugh in Eurobasket 2009, as Slovenia finished in fourth, a showing made all the more impressive by the team’s start without Vujacic and Beno Udrih, plus the subsequent losses of Dragic and Matjaz Smodis in the later rounds.

http://www.ballineurope.com/us-basketball/nba/sasha-vujacic-goran-dragic-feud-slovenia-nba-playoffs-lakers-suns-2269/

who does this guy think he is? the slovenian magic johnson? please go away sasha. go promise a west coast weather team your 30 ppg averages

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on May 1, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

reading some Bill Simmons (everyone's favorite!)
And guess what? Portland’s arena isn’t so great. The Rose Garden was built right before everyone figured out how to build state-of-the-art arenas, with only one tier of suites located too far from the court. Portland fans love their Blazers so much that they didn’t even flip out when Allen jacked the price of playoff tickets to staggering heights. You can do these things when you’re winning with likable players. That’s how any NBA team not located in Los Angeles, Florida, New York or Texas survives in the NBA in 2011.

When you’re not winning? You end up like Indiana — trying to avoid a first-round sweep at home in a stadium filled with more Bulls fans than Pacers fans, only you can’t ban anyone outside Indiana from buying tickets online because you need the money too badly. You end up like Minnesota, coming off six straight lottery appearances that included three separate rebuilding projects during that time. You end up like Charlotte, giving away three of your four best players from a 2010 playoff team for what amounted to two lottery-protected picks. And you end up like Sacramento, hearing your overleveraged owners pretend that your city can’t support basketball, ending up with moments like this and wondering how you got there.

by Chakroot on May 1, 2011 12:24 AM EDT reply actions  

i've come to grips with the move to Brooklyn long ago...

but this is a stance that few if any people supported:

hearing your overleveraged owners pretend that your city can’t support basketball

by Chakroot on May 1, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nets fans should be totally stoked!

Dwill is going to stay and I honestly think that Dwight is coming to NJ/Brooklyn as well. Think about it: The Knicks have Amar’e and Melo, whose games don’t accomplish each other whatsoever. The Nets could have D Will and Dwight, whose games can definitely complement each other. A PG who can average 20/10 with a guy who can KILL it on the boards or work it down low? Sick. Who’s gonna be the Kings of NY now?

Agree with me? Check out my blog post about how I think the Nets can land Dwight: http://jwinski.wordpress.com/2011/04/29/dwill-two-words/

by Jimmy A. Winskowski on May 1, 2011 2:53 AM EDT reply actions  

@ NI

Great comparison between Hump and A-Train.
Kidd had Martin + other talent and Thorn to trade Griffin, DWill has ???
Tyler is just the kind of player we should take. Talented risks make them available to us.
If Tyler works out, any sight of potential and he’ll move up faster than gas prices.

Life as a Net fan
Can it get any worse? There's always tomorrow.

by msm2 on May 1, 2011 7:50 AM EDT reply actions  

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