NetsDaily Off-Season Report #2
Billy King gave his State-of-the-Nets address to the beat writers on Wednesday and we take a deeper look at some of things he said, including who was out-of-shape in training camp, what to believe in the Deron Williams re-signing saga, Jay-Z's role in the team and have some fun recalling what King and Mikhail Prokhorov said earlier this year about making the Knicks pay more for 'Melo, something very relevant right now for the reeling New Yorkers. We also take a look at a kid who's being called "Canada's nightmare" and his Nets' connection.
We also look at our latest Draft Sleeper of the Week and lament that a rumor about Prokhorov turns out to be false.
Every Sunday, we’ll be updating the Nets’ off-season with bits and pieces of information, gossip, etc. to help take the edge off missing the playoffs, relying on the Nets’ beat reporters and others who have slipped interesting stuff into larger stories, blogs, tweets...plus our own reporting.
Out of Shape, Out of Touch
Billy King's comments that Devin Harris, Johan Petro and Travis Outlaw showed up last September out of shape and that Outlaw in particular "spent a lot of catching up" will make Petro and Outlaw even greater targets of fan abuse. And why not? It's one thing to have a bad season if you're playing at your best. It's another when you show up out of shape after you've been given a contract beyond your dreams (and skillset).
We continue to argue that Outlaw's contract wasn't the worst given out last summer. Both Josh Chidress and Drew Gooden had worse years for virtually the same money and giving Joe Johnson $124 million was the height of insanity or irresponsbility.
But when a veteran player shows up out of shape, it's reprehensible. We're willing to forgive a rookie. He may not know what he's in for...particularly when he's playing for Avery Johnson. But a veteran, particularly one with six or seven years experience, knows what's expected of him.
King on what Outlaw needs to do now: "He’s got to come into camp in shape." He might also apologize.
Deron Williams In his Own Words
In his discussion with beat writers Wednesday, Billy King advised them to listen to what he and Deron Williams say about his future, not what others speculate he's thinking.
"What others might have said doesn't matter," King told the writers. "You should take what he said and what I said as being the real deal."
So we went back and put together what Williams has said most recently, gathering bits and pieces from the beats' articles from last week's locker cleaning press conference...
"I like this organization a lot," Williams said at the Nets’ breakup day. "I like the direction they’re going. They made me and my family feel real comfortable since I’ve gotten here.
"I like Coach (Avery) Johnson — the way he coaches and the way he carries himself. I definitely can see myself staying here.
"We’ve had a lot of open communication in a short period of time that I really like. And just the organization in general, how they handle themselves from top to bottom. I think everybody has just been great here and I like how things are run.
"I would like to not have the distraction (of looming free agency) during the season."
All-NBA?
Next up for Williams: the All-NBA teams which will be out at the end of the first week of May. Last two years, he made second team all-NBA. Last season, his vote total put him in seventh place among all NBA players. However, the mid-season trade, the loss of 17 games to injury and family matters, and the bad publicity he endured after Jerry Sloan quit could make this year's selection a bit iffy. Not to mention the Nets' record.
There's a competitive reason as well: last year, Derrick Rose finished out of the running, placing 17th in the final tally. He's likely to move up to the first team. Last year, as well, Chris Paul was hurt. On the other hand, D-Will did average 20 and 10. Only three other players, LeBron James, Dwight Howard, Zach Randolph and Kevin Love, did that and no else averaged 20 points and 10 assists.
The MRI Confusion
D-Will admitted to being "really angry" when he heard about the need for surgery on his right wrist, but the context seemed to make clear that his anger was directed not at the Nets but at Utah, whose doctors told him mid-season that all he needed was rest. King explains.
"When we got the trade, we got the information from Utah. They disclosed everything," King said. "We did an MRI and everything was confirmed. Then at the end of the season, Dr. Andrew Weiland suggested we do another one and it's more of a fine-cut MRI. There's a five millimeter standard cut and a three millimeter fine-cut."
It was that finer cut that found the bone fragments and the scar tissue that may have been bothering him for more than a year. Sundiata Gaines was on the floor a year ago for his dramatic three pointer vs. Cleveland because Williams was suffering from a sore right wrist.
One thing the Nets have is solid orthopedic surgeons. Ask Shareef Abdur-Rahim.
Balance of Power
"We may have gotten him if I had made the call sooner...and the Knicks may not have had to give up as much. So I think it worked out best for us".
That was Billy King, balancing not going after D-Will earlier (and bailing on Carmelo Anthony) with the benefits of making the Knicks pay the Nuggets a higher price for 'Melo. He made the comments more than a month ago to Maggie Gray of Sports Illustrated, but with the Knicks' lack of balance vs. the Celtics a big issue nowadays, they're relevant again.
Even before the trade, Mikhail Prokhorov said the same thing to CNBC's Darren Rovell, indicating this was indeed part of his larger strategy of smacking down the Dolans: "I think we made a very good tactical decision in forcing Knicks to pay as much as they can. So I think it's very good."
Funny thing: King made his comment with a smile. Prokhorov was as serious as a heart attack.
The Global Icon
In that same interview, Rovell asked Prokhorov about his relationship with Jay-Z, who King this week said plays a big role with the Nets. It was yet another indicator of how important Jay-Z is to the Nets plans for the future, particularly because of his global popularity.
"I think Jay Z is the excellent testimony of the global icon," said Prokhorov at the all-star break. "He is a self-made man. he is like living legend. a guy who from Brooklyn, a very simple one. and he became a real global star. and it's a great opportuntiy for any player to be the same via basketball. That's why he is an excellent shareholder and I am lucky we have an opportunity just to chat socially."
The Nets use the term "global icon" often in describing him (he was described simply as "cultural Icon" in the Barclays Center ground breaking program last year. One has to wonder if HOVA has a side deal with the Nets beyond his small stake in the team (and arena).
King seems to think he's worth whatever he gets, recalling Jay's passion in recruiting fellow Brooklyn native Carmelo Anthony: ""To see (Jay-Z) give a pitch on Brooklyn, and the passion about going to Brooklyn – you see it on tape, you see it on TV. To see him in a room with Carmelo, and making it, you see the passion there."
Draft Sleeper of the Week
Like Kyle Singler, Kenneth Faried is a senior but he's a young senior. The 6'8" power forward doesn't turn 22 until November. Singler turns 23 in a couple of weeks. But what separates the two mostly is that Singler played in the big spotlight at Duke while Faried played at Morehead State in Kentucky. And of course, Faried is from Newark, not far from where the Nets will play their last games in New Jersey next season. Singler is from the only other state where attendants pump gas: Oregon.
Faried played in the mid-major Ohio Valley Conference for four years, setting the NCAA Division 1 career rebounding record (besting Tim Duncan's mark at Wake Forest). And when put on the big stage, he excelled. Against Florida, Faried went for 20 and 12; against Ohio State and Jared Sullinger, he went for 15 and 12. In the NCAA tournament, a win vs. Louisville, Faried had 12 and 17...and won the game when he dramatically blocked a corner three as time wound down.
He's been all over the draft boards, with some slotting him into the late lottery while others have dropped down where the Nets have their two picks, end of the first, beginning of the second. The latest have him at #23 (Draft Express); #21 (NBADraft.net) and #19 (Chad Ford, ESPN). But workouts haven't begun yet.
Are the Nets interested? They see him as "very interesting", as one scout said at a recent Nets game. That's not always an endorsement, but the scout did motion towards the Nets bench where Avery Johnson was giving last minute instructions. "He would LOVE him," the scout said of Johnson.
Springfield and the Draft
The Nets' next two big dates are May 1, when the team will officially take over basketball operations in Springfield and the May 7-8 Draft Workout at the PNY Center in East Rutherford. They are not unrelated. The Nets along with Armor coach Dee Brown have already scouted the Portsmouth Invitational looking at college seniors who could wind up undrafted and in need of a job. In the Draft Workout at the PNY Center, the Nets will be looking at a wide array of talent who will be measured and go 5 on 5.
Having the Armor gives the Nets some flexibility in dealing with draft night choices. If at #27, the Nets are faced with a choice between a polished but not-so-athletic swingman with four years of college experience and a young, raw but supremely athletic big man, they have a cushion and "Springfield" is stitched across it. Knowing the two coaches at Springfield are their employees, knowing that those coaches will be running a lot of summer league practices and be around the entire training camp, the front office can feel a lot more comfortable balancing the two prospects. In the past, if he was drafted, the raw kid would likely need to buy some nice suits and be ready to sit. Now, he can play some minutes down on the farm, knowing he is learning the Nets' system and knowing his coaches are in daily contact with Avery Johnson and whoever the Nets designate as the Armor general manager.
You can also expect the Nets' second round pick will see some time at Springfield and finally, you can expect the Nets to use Springfield to recruit undrafted players for training camp. Those same factors listed above will play into an agent's thinking on what to recommend to his client. Better to sign a training camp contract with the Nets, knowing there's a back up plan in Springfield. It's also going to help ticket sales in Springfield. The only other team with a "hybrid" relationship is the Rockets whose Rio Grande Vipers are once again battling for the D-League championship.
Canada's Nightmare
That's how Canadian newspapers described 16-year-old hockey sensation Seth Jones this week. What does that have to do with the Nets? Seth is Popeye's son, a 6'4" defenseman who is seen as Team USA's big hope in international competition...and is already on NHL scouts' iPads.
His father says Seth never played organized basketball at any level, but has always focused on hockey. Seth was only a toddler when his father played for Raptors in hockey-mad Toronto, but Popeye admits his two years there changed things, first when Seth's older brother took up the sport.
"We started watching the Maple Leafs games, and we all became hockey fans," Popeye explained to a Canadian hockey writer last week. "Our oldest son started playing hockey in Toronto."
After Popeye moved to the Denver Nuggets, it was Seth's turn. "I lived in Colorado for eight years when I was younger and some of my friends in school were really into hockey," Seth said. "I put on a pair of skates, started skating lessons actually to become a figure skater before I even picked up a stick and a puck."
More on Barclays Center
We took a look at some of the architect's renderings of Barclays Center Saturday morning, focusing on the entrances, but there are other images we found that are also worth a look. In this one, a view behind the basket, you'll see the auxiliary scoreboard where game stats will be flashed. It's a lot bigger than those eye chart versions we've been accustomed to at the IZOD and Prudential Center. Here's another, of one of the six Stoli bars that will be built around the arena. (Pay no attention to the TV screen over the bar showing Devin Harris or the wall-to-ceiling screen at the far end of the bar showing a dejected Yi Jianlian.) If you prefer beer over vodka, there's the Bud Bar. Budweiser is one of the arena's key sponsors.
Also, here's a little viewed video of the entry pavilion of the one piece of the Atlantic Yards complex that's complete, the Long Island Railroad/New York Subway terminal across the street (and around the corner) from the arena. The terminal is a one end of an underground concourse that links nine subway lines (used to be 10 but the "M" line has been discontinued at Atlantic Terminal), the LIRR and the Barclays Center Transit Connection in front of the arena. The Atlantic Terminal is going to become very familiar to Nets fans.
Oh yeah, there's indications the arena will have its own, custom designed font for most of the signage inside the arena called BrooklynSport-book.
Lockout Lookahead
If the collective bargaining agreement doesn't get settled by June 30, how long might it last?
We're thinking November and here's why. Most NBA players get checks bi-weekly, on the 1st and 15th of the month, ending with November 1. So the first missed paycheck will be November 15. That's a real deadline. Same goes with the owners. They'll start missing real revenue starting that week, first week of the season.
And if you're wondering why so many college prospects are returning to school, consider this: first round picks traditionally get a 20% bonus over the rookie salary scale, deposited on signing, which usually takes place in July. That's expected to hold them over till their first paycheck, November 15. But there is no rookie salary scale for the 2011-12 season. That's a collective bargaining issue.
So kids looking at that on one hand and three squares in the college cafe on the other might start liking mystery meat a little more. Some agents are letting it be known that they will advance money to the top prospects but if the lockout goes on and on, how long will the agents carry the prospects?
Final Note: What? No Island??
A month after Russian media reported that Mikhail Prokhorov had bought an island in the Seychelles, the Nets owner on Thursday denied it, saying it was never true. Prokhorov was moved to comment after Seychelles government officials started asking him for contributions to maintain a colonial church. No team bonding in the Indian Ocean, we guess.
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Hahahahahahahahaha, OMG
I saw this comment in the “Delusional Fans” fan post that got shut down because people got way too overboard with their comments.
But I had to point this one out.
JR Smith and Sam Dalembert on the Knicks = Empty seats and irrelevancy in Brooklyn.
Not that they wouldn’t help, but wasn’t Melo + Amare supposed to = empty seats and irrelevance?
That was in the same post
where he compared Smith to the likes of Kobe, LeBron, and Rose…
by BrooksBridges11 on Apr 23, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh Im sorry is JR in the D-League???
Could have sworn I saw him playing in the playoffs last night with his team hoping he could win the game for them down the stretch. Nothing like the others. The difference is the others are given the opportunity shots and free reign to be who they are while others are held to different rules. If you don’t think coaches “green lights” and ref Star Calls don’t help to make Stars the Stars they are I don’t know what to tell you. Same talent level different opportunities IMO.
This years Marcus Thornton proves my point resoundingly. Dude went from 16mpg 8 ppg bench Warmer in NEW Orleans to Sacramentos Leading scorer. How did that happen?
Whatever. Rip me to shreds for thinking JR is a talented Ball Player by the look of things last night many people in Denver seem to Agree with me.
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
But that was before we got Deron Williams.
Fire Johnson and hire Brown - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking somethin' when he let Brown slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Apr 23, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatever Dude
I don’t know where you live. But I live in NYC.
And other than going to games and this site, I don’t even know any other “Nets fans”. All you need to do is listen to sports radio here and read the papers and you will realize there was generally 10000 times more excitement over the Knicks actually making the Playoffs than there was about the Nets going to back to back Finals appearances.
Everyone thinks the KNicks are a decent big away from a title. Enter Free Agent Sam Dalembert. And as far as JR is concerned, he wouldn’t even need to start. If you watched that game last night at all you would realize that Denver fans lived and died on EVERY JR shot. There was something about it. And with all the players ahead of him on the depth chart when the game looked out of reach then Karl gos to JR to bail him out. And the guy almost does but gets mugged on the last shot and no foul call.
If you don’t think JR playing at a packed garden and doing some of those sick dunks and getting hot and hitting a bunch of 3’s in that D’Antoni system wont make them even more exciting and Knick and unbearable you must be Crazy. And by the way the Knicks start Landry Fields at the two and on the Nuggets JR was closest with Carmelo.
If you think we can match the star power of Amare and Melo and weekly visits on SportsCenter by JR with Deron Williams, Brook Lopez, Anthony Morrow and Sasha/Outlaw/GrahamAGAIN and hoping old (AK, VC, Tayshun Prince) and invisible Will Chandlar/“power Forwards” Jeff Green/Thad Young will keep us afloat till DWill rides in on his white horse your entitled to your opinion.
But I won’t try to act as if you are way off base with that. But as with all things time will surely tell.
Be mighty hard to pay for that billion dollar Arena with half full arenas until f course we sell out playing the Knicks and provide them with those extra two “Home” games.
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
Yeah, it now shows me what other people around the NBA saw of us when we were in the playoffs
and couldn’t sell out
by Anthony Perez on Apr 23, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
susssez Gary Sussman
After seeing all the Red-Bulls jerseys in Indy..and hearing the crowd..don’t feel as bad about the blue and orange assault on The Rock
I went to that game on the 8th
it was unbelievably pathetic. It kinda angered me at the fact that so many people were there to support the Knicks. And New Yorkers are extremely rude and annoying, maybe it’s just me, but it was extremely irritating. However, the Nets were missing 4 out of their 5 starters, and the crowd will scream if a big time player does anything flashy I guess
by JerseysFinest. on Apr 23, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Congrats to the Pacers!
They played with cojones this whole series. As much as I hated missing the playoffs, I’m happy we lost that 8th seed to a team with immeasurable heart & passion.
Solid young core and a very good young coach who has equally immeasurable passion and confidence.
by Anthony Perez on Apr 23, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this series should be tied at 2-2.
it shouldnt be 3-1.
Pacers are good. Theyre a big man away.
@Al_Iannazzone: BREAKING NEWS: Nets are close to acquiring Deron WIlliams from Utah, sources told The Record.
-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.
It's sad this series isn't at least 2-2.
Ric Bucher reported that he's heard that Deron Williams and Dwight Howard have discussed playing together in the future. - Kevin Baumer
can you imagine
if the Nets had taken Granger back in ’05? How would things be different? Would the Nets had traded RJ earlier and probably get more value?
by JerseysFinest. on Apr 23, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
IF they’d taken Granger, they probably would have traded Carter first.
Fire Johnson and hire Brown - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking somethin' when he let Brown slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Apr 24, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Who do the Pacers think they are?
The Knicks?
by BrooksBridges11 on Apr 23, 2011 5:16 PM EDT reply actions
LMAO…Bulls had their chance.
@Al_Iannazzone: BREAKING NEWS: Nets are close to acquiring Deron WIlliams from Utah, sources told The Record.
-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.
Did you see Korver's reaction?
He was like why didn’t I shoot that?
Ric Bucher reported that he's heard that Deron Williams and Dwight Howard have discussed playing together in the future. - Kevin Baumer
Faried will not be there at 27.
I want Singler with the 1st rounder. I wouldnt mind using the second rounder to get the brazilian.
@Al_Iannazzone: BREAKING NEWS: Nets are close to acquiring Deron WIlliams from Utah, sources told The Record.
-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.
Haven't checked mock drafts for a while...
Where do they have Singler?
Ric Bucher reported that he's heard that Deron Williams and Dwight Howard have discussed playing together in the future. - Kevin Baumer
28th
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 23, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
The Brazilian

@Al_Iannazzone: BREAKING NEWS: Nets are close to acquiring Deron WIlliams from Utah, sources told The Record.
-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Lucas-Nogueira-5957/
@Al_Iannazzone: BREAKING NEWS: Nets are close to acquiring Deron WIlliams from Utah, sources told The Record.
-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.
he's only 18 and a real project
expect whoever to draft him to bury him internatioanlly for a couple of years so he ends up like scola and not splitter
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 23, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m brazilian and watched him play in the last 2 years. This kid has talent and lots of potential and is a terrific rebounder , but is extremely raw…cannot imagine him in the league right now.
by pradas on Apr 24, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd trade Outlaw for Drew Gooden
In a heartbeat.
Yeah, Gooden is older and had problem staying healthy this season, but at least when he played he produced at a decent level and his salary will never reach $7m per. Gooden averaged 11.3 ppg and 6.8 rpg in just 24.6 mpg, he even had a triple-double this season. Problem is he could only appear in 35 games. But his salary is always lower than Outlaw’s and he is the better player.
gooden has been hurt a lot this season
yet he still put up monster games this season(e.g. a triple double in the final weeks of the season)
outlaw set career highs in all playing aspects(minutes, mpg, games started, games played) yet will set a career low in almost all statistical categories besides playin next to brook lopez and deron williams and anthony morrow(as a floor spacer) for about 20 games
travis best game this season was like a 25 point 8 rebound game. that should happen once every ten games for him
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 23, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
okay bias hormones kicking in
there are plenty of players who get bounced around but are good(jermaine o’neal, rasheed wallace, ron artest, trevor ariza, hedo turkoglu, al harrington, stephen jackson)
12 and 8 in 28 mpg on 47% fg for gooden
9 and 3 in 23 mpg on 43% fg for outlaw
basically the same nba experience. one person was injured on the worst offensive team the other set career highs in playing time and career lows in perfromance stats playing next to brook lopez and deron williams
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 23, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
oh jim jackson has the record for 13. does he suck?
moses malone played for nine. does he suck?
8-chris gatling, vernon maxwell, maurice lucas, otis thorpe
7- jon barry, jud beuchler, adrian dantley, gerald henderson sr., bob mcadoo, brian shaw, a-train, kevin willis, orlando wooldridge
pleas i dont want to hear it. like dude said. outlaw wont be bounced around because no one will trade for him and nets cant afford to cut his sorry petro
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 23, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a Gooden fan, but I'd trade Outlaw for Childress
Childress can backup Morrow (and be the third string SF, I guess). He would give them size in the backcourt. He may have had a worse year this past season than Outlaw did, but his injury may have played a part in that. Plus it would also save the Nets a little bit of money.
I wouldn't but Childress yes
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
My thoughts
- Despite his incredible statistical season, I think everything else around D-Will’s season + the injury will cost him an All-NBA bid.
- I love that we played the Knicks like that. Makes me smile during every awful Knicks possession in that Celtics series.
- SO HAPPY to see Kenneth Faried on the draft radar. Guy is a powerful inside presence. I didn’t know that he beat Tim Duncan’s NCAA rebounding record. Wow. Too bad he probably won’t be available where we pick. A nod to all the fans here on ND who first put me onto him.
- I’m very excited about the idea of the Springfield Armor as our farm team, but so many D-League guys are completely awful. Granted there have been some undrafted gems in the history of the NBA and having a better shot at finding those guys does make me optimistic. This is a great point.
Those same factors listed above will play into an agent’s thinking on what to recommend to his client. Better to sign a training camp contract with the Nets, knowing there’s a back up plan in Springfield.
- One question in regards to the lockout? With NFL labor issues and the rising popularity fo the NBA, don’t you see this as an important business/marketing opportunity for the NBA. This could be their first legit chance at starting the season without being overshadowed by the NFL. Shouldn’t that persuade owners to consider getting a deal done sooner?
Knowing that Outlaw came into camp completely out of shape
makes the mock MVP chants completely acceptable.
Guy gets a massive contract, and sits on his ass all summer and shows up in the worst shape out of everyone on the team. He better work harder than everyone this summer or I and the rest of Nets fan should have no problem boo’ing him off the floor.
Oh come on! Be fair to the poor guy!
He didn’t sit on his ass ALL summer
…
…see?

by Anthony Perez on Apr 23, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it just me
Or does he look bad at hoola hooping too?
by Anthony Perez on Apr 23, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I want the brazilian and Faried. Singler I don’t mind either.
Marshon Brooks is interesting also.
by power_njerz on Apr 23, 2011 5:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
our first rounder: Singler
our second rounder:Bebe (stash him overseas for a couple of years)
buy another second rounder: Marshon Brooks.
@Al_Iannazzone: BREAKING NEWS: Nets are close to acquiring Deron WIlliams from Utah, sources told The Record.
-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.
no need to stash him
thats the point of the Armor connection.
Better he learns Nets system with Nets coaches than playing in some overseas league.
Also, he needs to learn English. (Also, I believe Springfield has a Portuguese speaking community. )
Anyone else seen this Bismark Biyombo kid?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lUxKzucNsTo
Extremely raw, but an athletic freak. 6’9 with an 7’7 wingspan and jumps out of the gym.
Supposed to go late first round. Draft sites have him projected to be a Center because he doesn’t have much skill besides shot blocking and rebounding, but kid has potential.
Let's see...
Unbelievable shot blocker and from the Congo…
Next Mutombo?
by Anthony Perez on Apr 23, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s unbelievable how many picks the Sonics blew on 7ft stiffs over those years (Sene, Swift, Petro).
mickael galeable
but sene was the absolute worst pick. swift was decent until he started turining into glass
i think the unexpected health and decent play of collision brainwashed them into paying him 9 mil a year for 4 years
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 23, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol, DraftExpress has him going to Utah with our pick at #6
So why did we have to trade Favors? lol
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=draftexpress+2011+mock+draft
by Anthony Perez on Apr 23, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Draft express
has him going to Utah with our original pick
by MrDollarBills on Apr 24, 2011 4:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone have insider?
Theres a “debate” between Ric Bucher and Broussard about who will have the biggest increase in wins between Nets/Clippers for next season.
Bucher immedietly brought up Dwight Howard to the Nets.
Awesome
Meanwhile, Broussard: “Weeeeel, MY sources tell me the Clippers will be better”
by Anthony Perez on Apr 23, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Broussard thinks
the Nets will see the biggest increase in wins
by JerseysFinest. on Apr 23, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
actually, read it
Broussard is the homer.
Bucher thinks the Nets could get Howard, but doesnt think Williams will make much of a difference.
LOVE that Nets fans just assume Broussard was anti-Nets in everything
I keep harping on it but it really does amuse me that anyone in the media who doesn’t gush about the Nets is a “Nets hater.” What have the Nets done that anyone other than Knicks fans would hate on?
Never thought Broussard was a Net hater
He is more of what I would call a Knick apologist. Hence his line on ESPN 1050 “I Love New York and don’t hate the Knicks”. Funny thing, He is actually from Jersey as well. Even a guy like Stephen A. Smith, while an admitted Knick fan, is not someone I would classify as a hater. He gave the Nets props the other day when discussing how the Knicks were swept in ’04. Now as for Sheridan, Hollinger, Francesca and Bill Daughtry, those dudes are haters.
D-Will > Carmela
Maybe because he has sources who say its very likely he will become a Net?
Hey, I can be imaginative.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 23, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
did you read the article where Howard mockingly asks Bucher where he’s going to end up? I think it was either before or after last night’s game, and Dwight asked him how he knew where he’d end up (because Ric said he’d be traded this summer).
by JerseysFinest. on Apr 23, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha
``If I’m getting traded, tell me where I’m going?’’ Howard said. ``Let me call my agent and tell him where I’m going.’’
by Anthony Perez on Apr 23, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this sounds good for the Nets
``The biggest market of all is outside of the United States,’’ Howard said. ``In today’s NBA you can get anything you want (in terms of endorsements) and you don’t have to play in a big market.’’
If he wants to be a global star..Prokhorov is his man for that.
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
Players get pissed when journalists speculate where they'll end up like it's fact.
Can’t really blame them. Reminds me of, what was his name again, Hamburger?
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 23, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
DWill also had harsh words for Bucher
said Bucher sat with him on the bench, pretended they were friends and then trashed him as the reason why Sloan quit in mid-season…without calling him.
And I wonder why players dont like journalists...
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 23, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
These guys know that the Nets
are on their way up and want to latch on before they can be called nets “band-wagoners”…GO Nets!!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
Homerism aside
As athletic & exciting as the Clips are, I do believe we’ll have a dramatically better year next year
by Anthony Perez on Apr 23, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
anyone think King talking about Outlaw being out of shape reduces his trade value?
those comments + that contract = who would want him in a trade?
i think he is making it clear he had nothing to do with those signings
and as of now outlaw would be dumped for a 2nd round conditional pick in the 2040 draft if possible
outlaw definitely should not have rank over anyone next year as he performed the worst out of the players that remain on the roster next year. he should even have to earn sitting on the bench. they should make him sit on the floor next to the press crew on the baseline
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 23, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
the problem being...
that the only way to turn that contract into a trade-able asset is by giving outlaw minutes, and having him perform well. he is not trade-able at this point. he NEEDS to come into next season prepared and ready to work even harder.
he may believe
that Outlaw has no trade value at this point and hopes the public criticism of Outlaw, who is not a bad guy, will get him to work harder…and become valuable.
that's what I'm thinking
and Outlaw really is a nice guy too. hopefully he reaches his potential here (or elsewhere) , classy guy.
So what if criticizes him pubicly?
Y’all act like people ain’t got TVs to see the carnage for themselves. King is just saying what everyone else is thinking and too polite to put their name on it
D-Will > Carmela
anyone think King talking about Outlaw being out of shape reduces his trade value?
His trade value? Did he even have any of that before Billy said what he said? ;-)
by Andres B on Apr 23, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm pretty sure that
….Outlaw playing like utter crap did more harm than anything else
by MrDollarBills on Apr 24, 2011 4:34 AM EDT up reply actions
the nba salary cap is a joke. there are only 6 teams legally under the soft cap
they need to dump the soft cap. make one hard cap and a luxury tax line. its impossible to win without a bloated payroll anymore unless you get a bunch of lebron’s during their rookie deals
but i wanted to note how knicks fans at P & T still have delusions of getting cp3, feel like chauncey does not want to be here(duh!) and would rather have ray felton back(lmao at this trade. so one-sided. knicks made the biggest lateral move ever). and people are even calling for d’antoni’s head
assuming turiaf picks up his ETO; 7 players = 45 million in cap space, carmelo, stoudemire, fields, turiaf, douglas, rautins, and balkman
so 2 stars, 3 backups, 2 back end scrubs for 45 million. somewhere proky and uriji are dapping it up in the backroom. i have the utmost confidence the nets will eclispe the knicks in the power ladder by the start of the 2nd year in brooklyn.
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 23, 2011 6:15 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Ohhh yes, rec
so 2 stars, 3 backups, 2 back end scrubs for 45 million. somewhere proky and uriji are dapping it up in the backroom. i have the utmost confidence the nets will eclispe the knicks in the power ladder by the start of the 2nd year in brooklyn.
by Anthony Perez on Apr 23, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Knicks fans...
but i wanted to note how knicks fans at P & T still have delusions of getting cp3

by Andres B on Apr 23, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Rec for best show ever.
And when I mean ever, I mean no television show will ever come close to the humor, weight, realism and overall greatness that The Wire accomplished.
Nicolas Batum; "The Smoothest Cat in the NBA"
truer than true
and the Bunk is awesome.
"Chuckers ain't champions" -- James Naismith, 1891
by calling all toasters on Apr 24, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
cmon now..
We have the richest owner in sports (sans the cricket guy) and he is willing to spend. Why would we want a hard cap and have that advantage taken away????
Chauncey doesn't want to be there
hell, Melo looked like he didn’t want to be there the other night
that young man has a lot of pressure on him.
by MrDollarBills on Apr 24, 2011 4:36 AM EDT up reply actions
shoulda stayed in Denver, then
haha Melo, you schmuck
"Chuckers ain't champions" -- James Naismith, 1891
by calling all toasters on Apr 24, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
"2 stars, 3 backups, 2 back end scrubs"
and their two stars provide the same thing: ISO shot creation. So, no D or rebounding or team offense. This is a recipe for nothing.
"Chuckers ain't champions" -- James Naismith, 1891
by calling all toasters on Apr 24, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha, DraftExpress has the KNICKS taking Jimmer at #17
Exactly what the Knicks need, more jump shooters who can’t defend.
crazy talk
therefore possible with the Knicks…although Walsh did a very nice job in taking Douglas and Fields.
by Net Income on Apr 23, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Both solid picks
What has been up with Fields lately though. He’s been atrocious since the trade. I was as HIGH on him as many Knicks fans were, but thought he was solid.
Wonder if it’s the rookie wall or lack of ability. It’s almost as if the movement of the previous Knicks offense allowed him to move more easily through defenses for the rebounds and put backs he was getting. He’s still a pretty good defender though
by Anthony Perez on Apr 23, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
think its a combo of rookie wall and the trade
the seven seconds or less style was great for him and by the trade he had bcome comfortable with felton, chandler, and gallo
i think it was a huge coincidence he hit the wall near the trade deadline. but i expect after this year he will become more comfortable to ball stopper
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 23, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
...or he may not be that good
and he couldn’t make new adjustments needed to accommodate the addition of Melo and loss of 60 ppg in the trade.
he did average 10 and 8 before february
i think he hit a wall and after getting acclimated to ball-stopper instead of S.S.O.L. he can still be a decent fill-in starter. although most two guards you’d expect to average more than 10 ppg in an average season
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 23, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is that?
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 23, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
because they need someone to blame
and dolan clearly has no problem going behind his back already. stern put walsh in place to get that team back to relevancy. i don’t think d’antoni’s head will roll yet. they tend to give him the benefit of the doubt
draftexpress does not yet do their draft with team needs in mind
they just list their board in order, so the picks really mean nothing
Should clarify this issue of the MRI of DWill's wrist:
“When we got the trade, we got the information from Utah. They disclosed everything,” King said. “We did an MRI and everything was confirmed. Then at the end of the season, Dr. Andrew Weiland suggested we do another one and it’s more of a fine-cut MRI. There’s a five millimeter standard cut and a three millimeter fine-cut.”
Bottom line is that Utah did a sloppy job, especially for their Superstar Athlete.
Orthopedic Surgeons are great at reading MRI images, but know little about how MRI’s are obtained. Those terms are not used by MRI people (It is Surgeon language). When taking a MRI of the wrist a small efficient coil should have been used (perhaps they used a whole body coil?) and sub 3 mm resolution should always be expected (this is not 1990!). There are many parameters of sensitivity, contrast and resolution, as well as other pulse sequence parameters that than be varied. There could have been a motion artifact which should have been recognized.
Last weekend, I told the story to my friend, who has been director of MRI Imaging and MRI Research at Penn State’s Hershey Medical Center. He said that it is ashamed that Athletes aren’t given more attention.
He said that if he was aware of the situation (MRI of Deron Williams) he would have made sure to be present to do it right.
Nets staff should be given special treatment (by the Director) before having MRI’s because they are far more complex than even the technologists operating the machines are aware. Its just good publicity for that facility.
you have a lot of connections..
maybe you should work “officially” for the nets..I meant that as a compliment :)
Ive been thinking for some time
that Jerry was assigned by the Nets to inform the fan online about things like above.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 24, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Former scientist, during the pioneering years of In-Vivo NMR and high field MR Imaging. Got out when field peaked.
Married a Medical person and have been in Alternative Medicine for past 10 year.
Outlaw
OK, no laughing, and I am not on drugs either. OUTLAW comes back next season, whatever there is of a season, with double figures in scoring in around 25 minutes a game.
AND his shooting touch returns and he shoots around 43% from the field, and close to 40% from 3. He will be a good backup SF and Backup PF. He leaves the fan doghouse.
NO, I am not on drugs. I just have a feeling about him, really, seriously.
Paul from Sunny Delray Beach, Florida
the first effect of the drugs
is that you forget you took them
"Chuckers ain't champions" -- James Naismith, 1891
by calling all toasters on Apr 24, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
have you been drinking...
love thy underdog
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Apr 24, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions

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