Heading Into a Critical Off-Season, Nets Have Cap Space, Picks, Cash
by Net Income on Apr 18, 2011 7:04 AM EDT
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PrintThe Nets dipped into their cap assets to acquire Deron Wiliams, move Troy Murphy and sign Sundiata Gaines, but they still have seven draft picks over the next three years, with at least one first rounder in each of the next three and more than $20 million in expiring contracts this season...although they've made it clear they'd like to bring back Kris Humphries.
Now Billy King and Bobby Marks embark on perhaps their most critical off-season, the one where they prove that the addition of an All-Star point guard, the impending completion of Barclays Center and all of Mikhail Prokhorov's cash hoard can attract more top players to the Nets.
Here's what they have to work with.
Cap Space:
No one yet knows how the new collective bargaining agreement will work but the Nets seem to be prepared for most eventualities. They finished the season about $870,000 over the cap after trading for Deron Williams and signing Sundiata Gaines but more than $10 million under the luxury tax threshold. Beyond the big contracts, the Nets gave out a reported $635,000 in partial guarantees last summer and signed three players to 10-day deals, some of which remain on the books. There was $450,000 for Stephen Graham; $35,000 for Ben Uzoh, $100,000 for Sean May and $50,000 for Brian Zoubek, the last two long departed. The Nets also paid out $50,000 to Orien Greene and $70,000 to Mario West, who played for the Nets on 10-day contracts as well as $204,000 to Gaines who parlayed two 10-day contracts into a two-year guarantee before fracturing his hip. Graham and Uzoh's guarantees became part of their veterans' minimum salary. The guarantees paid May and Zoubek along with Greene' and West's 10-days count against the cap.
Expiring contracts:
The Nets have seven players on expiring contracts totaling $21.5 million. The expiring contracts, in descending order of size, are: Dan Gadzuric, $6.883 million; Sasha Vujacic, $5.475 million; Kris Humphries, $3.2 million; Quinton Ross, $1.14 million; Graham, $992,680; and Uzoh, $473,604. Graham also has a $100,000 partial guarantee on a second year which the Nets won't have to pay if they waive him before July 5. Brandan Wright, on the last year of his rookie contract, is a restricted free agent making $3.398 million. Should the Nets decide not to keep him, as expected, his contract too becomes expiring.
The remainder of the team is either on rookie contracts--Brook Lopez ($2.41 million) and Damion James ($1.16 million); or multiple year deals--Travis Outlaw ($7 million); Anthony Morrow ($4 million); Jordan Farmar ($3.75 million); Johan Petro ($3.25 million); and Gaines ($201,758).
Only the Kings and Pacers have less money tied up in salaries than the Nets do.
Draft picks:
The Nets have seven picks over the next three years, five of their own and two acquired in trades, including the two in the Terrence Williams/Vujacic deal. Only two of the picks have protection, the Rockets' 2012 lottery-protected pick; and the Lakers' 2011 first rounder protection which is protected 1-18.
Here are the details:
In 2011, the Nets have the Lakers' first round pick (protected 1-18), acquired in the Terrence Williams trade; plus their own second round pick. The Jazz control their first round pick. The Laker pick will be #27 while their own looks like it will be #35.
In 2012, the Nets have their own first round pick; the Rockets' first round pick (lottery-protected), acquired in the Terrence Williams trade; plus the Heat's second round pick (unprotected), acquired along with Chris Quinn. They sent their own second rounder to the Warriors in the Murphy deal.
In 2013 (and beyond), the Nets have their own first round pick and their own second round pick.
Regarding protections:
--The Lakers' 2011 first rounder. The pick is protected 1-18 through 2016. Since the Lakers finished with the league's fourth best record, the protections are now moot.
--The Rockets' 2012 first rounder. The pick is lottery protected (1-14) through 2016. If the Rockets pick falls in the lottery in 2012, the pick rolls over each year, again through 2016. In 2017, it would become a second round pick.
Until the Deron Williams' trade, the Nets had not traded one of their own first round picks since 1999, preferring to keep their picks and trade those acquired from other teams. (The last two first round picks the Nets traded turned into Matt Harpring and Wally Szczerbiak.)
Cash:
Mikhail Prokhorov is the richest owner in sports (unless you count Mukesh Ambani, owner of the Mumbai Indians in the Indian Premier Cricket League). He has already proven he's willing to lay out cash to push trades along, sending $3 million to the Wizards last June to facilitate the Yi Jianlian salary dump and another $3 million to sweeten the Deron Williams deal. He was also ready to pay the cost of front-loading contracts for restricted free agents Rudy Gay and Tyrus Thomas. Nets insiders say expect the team to again front-load offers this summer, making it difficult for cash-strapped teams to match. That includes adding cash signing bonuses, paying a whole year's salary up front or simply structuring a deal so the first year salary is huge.
Trade exception:
--an estimated $1.3 million exception acquired in the Deron Williams trade. It expires at the trade deadline in 2012. There are restrictions on its use...it can't be traded with a player for example...but they can be valuable. If the Nets wanted to trade a draft pick to, or swap picks with, a team in return for a player, they can use a trade exception to do so. Trade exceptions can also be used to grab a player off the waiver wire. The status of TE's after the new CBA is agreed to remains murky.
Mid-level and Low-level exceptions:
Under normal circumstances, they would have been able to use their mid-level (MLE) and low-level (LLE) exceptions, worth $5.85 million and $2.0 million, to sign and trade players in more complicated deals. However, the team renounced both last summer to get room for free agent signings. It's uncertain if the MLE and LLE will exist under a new CBA.
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long as they dont repeat the mistakes from last year
Do not over paid role players and chase after player you can not get. Try to put together a good solid team that can compete.
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 18, 2011 7:21 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
outlaw may have been awful this season but that
doesnt mean that he aint goin to be good next year with D-will
i seriously doubt that
Avery himself has said outlaw came in to camp out of shape.
If outlaw couldn’t get motivated by a new contract, finally the chance to start and being part of a new team what can playing along side dwill can do.
He has to be motivated and so far he has shown it.
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 18, 2011 8:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
will see what happens if doesnt get himself involved
hell rot on the bench for a long time and i mean long time
this can't be true hoopsworld says Outlaw makes 7 million a year for the next four years
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9162
When you have to shoot, shoot don't talk.
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The Bills? It's gonna be the JETS homes.-Trevor Price
Avery lied
There was talk and a video of Outlaw working out, taking lots of jumpers.
I would love Outlaw to come into camp out of shape, at least he would add some pounds to that rail frame.
Oh so what
everyone makes mistakes but the bottom line is the roster is considerably better than it was this time last year. Nothing else matters.
You guys want everything to be perfect. It is unreasonable to expect. It is also unlikely. Moreover, the story of this season is not that they gave Outlaw a bigger contract than he deserved or overspent on Petro. It is that they have DERON WILLIAMS, seven picks over the next three years, and $21 million in expiring contracts in spite of what you think were disastrous moves.
Joe Dumars who everyone thinks is a genius drafted Darko Milicic over Dwyane Wade and Carmelo Anthony, traded Chauncey Billups for Allen Iverson, gave huge contracts to Richard Hamilton, Charlie Villanueva and Ben Gordon and hired John Kuester as coach.
by Net Income on Apr 18, 2011 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
oh calm down
You always get emotional when someone is not willing to have ur same views of the nets.
Just because everyone says outlaw is crappy and u are saying well he was a good signing.
You moan and whine about fans not going to nets games and yet when they do u cry about what they are chanting.
You want to say me and Alex Kennedy have something in common well I know you and him have nothing in common. He breaks stories u recycle them. He goes to the all star game and covers it and u watch it on tv. He actually is asked to go on espn to give his opinion and your opinion is what u feel the nets want it to be. —-been saving that since Friday :)
So calm down its too early for u to get emotional because not everyone shares ur views. I do not want the nets to be perfect. I would like smart moves and no matter how hard u spin it outlaw wasn’t smart.
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 18, 2011 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
Dude, Alex Kennedy is a professional sports writer
NI is a blog writer. You can’t expect them to have equal attendance, or even interest, in covering all things basketball.
While I agree that he will defend the Outlaw’s, Yi’s, and Chair’s of the world to no end, he does provide us with constantly updated material, news, and analysis.
Whether you agree or not is up to you, but I think he’s earned his voice.
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by eLonepb on Apr 18, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Rumor has it the masked man they call Net Income used to report on the real world outside of basketball with some pretty legit organizations.
he earned his right to voice his opinion
as does everyone else. Its called freedom of speech.
NI has the problem of attacking people who don’t view the nets in the same vision as he does. The Alex Kennedy comment I made was getting him back for what he said we have something in common.
So again I wouldn’t have said if he had not made his slick comment.
He can voice his opinion all he want and I agree with him at time but its when he makes fun of people opinion is where I have the problem.
He earned his voice as does anyone else who is alive. its called freedom of speech.
So just because I feel the nets made a bad move with Outlaw.
Andres feel the Terrence Williams trade was bad
NBRTIM or 3ptchucker feel whatever they do we don’t need someone saying we are wrong and not inform.
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 18, 2011 9:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
not really. didnt get it but in the words of Pac
I respond just in kind. But hey people love screaming peace after they start shhh. I honestly think me and him have nothing in common . He is a professional sports writer who opinion is valued and actually break stories. Seems to be a cool guy as well.
So the whole we have a lot in common didn’t bother me cause all I have to say is he and Alex have nothing in common.
He breaks stories while NI recycles them 4 months late. See
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 18, 2011 9:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yea I wasn't too happy with it either.
I figure the Nets could get more and maybe up his value and get something but hey what’s done is done.
sorry I messed up with that one.
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 18, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Terrence Williams could not get off of the bench in Houston
in hindsight, we are LUCKY to get what we could for that bum
by MrDollarBills on Apr 18, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
He Will Next Year
Adelman is (or was) stubborn; whoever they bring in next year will give Terrence adequate playing-time.
The Nets made a big mistake in trading TWill; he was the most talented player on the roster (at the time), he just needed to get his head on straight. In hindsight, everyone will agree that getting rid of Williams was an egregious blunder.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v59JZcykhpY
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I still don't understand Houston
Adelman nearly got the team into the playoffs with a team full of misfits, amazing coaching job they should not let him go. They can figure out a way to play the young guys without having to fire Adelman? I think it is unfair what they are doing to him after what he did for that team.
love thy underdog
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Apr 18, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Some people will never be happy…. even with a championship.
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
not happy with outlaw??
yes please have our head examine.
no one is saying that the nets have to be perfect. All I said was no more over paying for outlaw and make smart decisions. As I said before no way you spin it over paying a role player who was recently injured isn’t smart.
Notice Avery saying dude came in to camp out of shape. again this is the horse you bet on. this is the guy who just got a big contract, promise a new role starting and on a new team. With a coach that actually believes in you and he couldn’t find the motivation to come in to camp in shape and people suppose to see the bright side of that???
hahahahahahahahahhah
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 18, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree with killa a lot
Notice Avery saying dude came in to camp out of shape. again this is the horse you bet on. this is the guy who just got a big contract, promise a new role starting and on a new team. With a coach that actually believes in you and he couldn’t find the motivation to come in to camp in shape and people suppose to see the bright side of that???
But not on this. Exactly. Plus, you hope the bare minimum ability of a 6’9" NBA player is the ability to catch a pass on the break and finish at the rim.
But how many times did he bobble passes in transition?
by Anthony Perez on Apr 18, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You are definitly right
In fact, I though Travis Outlaw will be great fit for Nets small forwad at the last offseason.
And, of course, 7 mil was not bad for him.
Just one worried thing was too long contract made me worried but anything was cool.
Nets and Avery made mistakes, but, anyway, we are here now.
And Nets are not over.
Next time, we should be careful about this overpaying contract.
@ NI
IMO The roster is not considerably better. Hump’s improvement is the biggest reason for the 12 win increase. I don’t want everything to be perfect all I want is a direction that I believe in. Trading 75% of our valueable assets for a PG is not the direction I hoped for. I like DWill but he is far from our answer. Your major building block will keep us in the lottery cuz he can’t defend so our PG is limited only OUR first round pick will be of value (we will not improve with role players drafted) and expiring contracts and cap space don’t mean much if you have the wrong direction. I know it’s hard for you to be negative about this team which some posters don’t understand. This site rocks and you get the credit as much as anybody.
Life as a Net fan
Can it get any worse? There's always tomorrow.
They never over paid a role player
They over paid a player who ended up as nothing more than a role player. There was never any intention to just overpay someone who they thought would sit the bench.
It was a bad move, but not disastrous (yet). Outlaw has this off season to get into shape, make a commitment to improving, or maybe he’ll get shipped off.
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outlaw was a role player in both
Portland and the Clippers. According to NI the nets overpaid for him because no one wanted to come to a 12-70 team and that makes no sense.
You don’t settle. There may not been no intention but outlaw wasn’t in big demand. What has he shown led Avery to believe he was a starter in this league.
Better to go into a season with a player sign for one year and if u struggle say oh well he will be gone next year.
Outlaw is becoming very unlikely to be trade unless the nets take back another bad contract so again how does that help the nets
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 18, 2011 9:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You are going to have a hard time finding someone to say in retrospect that the Nets should have given Outlaw this deal
No you won't
You know who
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 18, 2011 9:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hindsight always 20/20
It’s very easy to say we shouldn’t have given him this deal NOW, but how many people were saying it back then?
Very few.
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me me me
Same thing as I said then. Doesn’t make sense to pay a bench player that much
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 18, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with NI
Alot of people on here just share a negative opinion. How many people say dont sign Thornton, JR Smith, AK47, Jeff Green, Thad Young, Prince, Stuckey, etc. They never tell you who they think should be realisticly signed or suggest we trade for Granger, Iggy, Josh Smith, Aldridge; none of who we have the assests to get. I guess we should do nothing unless players are willing to sign for a discount or teams are willing to give players away.
Trolls never find the answer but are good at pointing out the problem so a year from now they can say “I told you so”. I bet alot of the very same people who said Outlaw was going to suck said that Morrow would too. I would love to have an All-Star at every position but this thing called reality always seems to get in the way.
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Apr 18, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
no actually I like the morrow and the farmer
so don’t make it out to be something negative.
I don’t agree with bad signings is all
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 18, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
JR Smith is a buffoon
and an inconsistent chucker
You do NOT want him here.
by MrDollarBills on Apr 18, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
buddy, many posters howled about Outlaw signing the day it broke
there was like 700 comments.
Avery Johnson can go Outlaw himself.
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I said it on Day 1 when Outlaw was signed. As did several others.
It was a terrible signing, which will continue to be an albatross around our neck for years to come.
Outlaw’s contract is over TEN PERCENT of the salary cap. And he contributed nothing on the court. It most certainly IS a big deal.
A ton of great players were role players until they weren't anymore
The thought process was that Outlaw was ready to be a starter in this league, one who could put up 15 ppg and be an NBA starter.
Fail. But that was the intention.
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what did he show though??
Paul Milsap I get him.
Thorton yea.
But a player who has been a role player since being in the league and coming off an injury???
U don’t exactly throw money at this guy
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 18, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
true. just look at the knicks and what they did with felton
felton wanted to make around 7 mil a year. charlotte did not want to pay him. no one knew if it was felton or larry brown holding him back.
so knicks get amar’e and then sign felton to a 2-year deal for the 7 mil. turns out it was larry brown holding him back. now the nuggets can feel safe about trying to extend him in the near future
the nets did the worst thing possible. outlaw for 4/5 years will make more money than wesley matthews who outplayed him last year in his rookie season as one of the best bench players in the league, came up huge in the playoffs, and has kept portland alive until they got roy back and gerald wallace
i’m pretty sure 3 year/10 mil and outlaw could have been had. this dude was coming off foot surgery and you see he hasnt fully recovered from it. he looks slower and less explosive than ever. the perfect opportunity to lowball him and avery thinks his mississippi kinfolk can be the savior of the team
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 18, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Truth
avery thinks his mississippi kinfolk can be the savior of the team
Avery Johnson can go Outlaw himself.
NETS BASKETBALL…. JUST DEAL WITH IT!
thank you rec a 100 times
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 18, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Look
I’m not saying that. BOBBY MARKS said it.
What makes no sense is this constant obsession on a contract that is one year old and is basically the MLE and is NOT the worst contract signed last summer. Take a look at Josh Childress and Drew Gooden’s deals and production.
The league is filled with HORRID contracts. Joe Johnson at $124 million? There is NO WAY that contract is anything other than an albatross.
It is a tradeable contract. The fact he is paid the same amount every year makes it more tradeable in an environment where MLE deals are growing by 10% a year.
Stop with the spin. Please tell it like it is.
Outlaw is tradeable, but only if packaged with valuable assets like 1st round picks or Morrow.
Avery Johnson can go Outlaw himself.
NETS BASKETBALL…. JUST DEAL WITH IT!
okay okay pull your thong out the wedgie
the fact is that he was nothing more than a bench player, coming off foot surgery, and had no serious offers means he coudl have and should have been signed for way less years and money.
drew gooden actually fits teams better because he is a true big. how many teams need tweeners like outlaw, jeff green, etc? and josh childress played in greece for two years. and he does not fit phoenix’s system well. when he was in atlanta he was a better player than outlaw. in a half-court offense childress would look better again
and the fact outlaw looks his absolute worst this year. who is going to trade for him? he still looks slower and less explosive than ever. avery says he’s always lazy and has to constantly be pushed in practice. i understand the first year dip after signing a big deal but if he returns to anything like portland you think the nets would trade him?
and its going to be hard to return him to form because he succeeded on loaded portland teams as the 8th man. how are the nets going to build that type of depth with his deal on the books? he played with deron williams and brook lopez for about 25 games and looked like the worst player almost every night based on how much he is paid. how much more can be done to get him to play better?
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 18, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Gooden had a bad year
and still averaged 11 and 7 in just 24 mpg. He even had a triple-double this year. I’d trade Outlaw for him in a heartbeat, even if he missed a lot of games this season.
also the fact that outlaw got dumped for camby
and in his first year out of portland his production has been lapped about ten times by wes matthews who will make less money than him for the next 4 years who also spent four years in college and is only in his second year in the league
also right now what is the difference between martell webster and travis outlaw. they are practically the same person. one guy averages more points but the other shoots a much better percentage. yet webster has a 2 year deal for 9 million and a team option on a third and yet he had knee surgery over two years ago
while outlaw coming off a foot surgery in mid-season gets 5 year 35 mil and would have had the worst statistical season out of him, webster, and matthews had webster not been hurt this season
like i said felton did not get a 5 year deal but he got a pay raise. outlaw played about 25-30 games with deron williams and brook lopez and looked like stephen graham making 7 mill a year. and the fact he got benched by another 4 year college rookie damion james 30 games into the season? what kind of bench player gets paid 7 mil plus unless they used to be an all-star or in the running for 6th man of the year or just a big?
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R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 18, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
yes the league is filled with horrible contracts
but again this is a spin. “It’s like hey at least we didn’t over pay as much as the Hawks did or the Suns.” the point is the nets overpaid lock their self long term into a player that it will take a helluva offer to get rid of.
I can’t say anymore than what starbury to jac hasn’t said the point is outlaw is a bad contract and some of us prefer that the Nets do not repeat the mistakes of last year.
so next year we won’t see you saying well the Grizzles over paid Zach Randolph so Young contract is not that bad.
again no one expects the nets to perfect but to make smart decisions that will impact their franchise future. yea we do expect that.
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 18, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
yea
I highly doubt our FO said hey we really need a role player let us over pay to get this guy. We paid him to be a starter, our FO thought he could grow from a bench player in portland to a starter in new jersey. 1st year of 5 he could not do it.
love thy underdog
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Apr 18, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
they only overpaid for Outlaw & Petro...
Morrow and J-Farm are paid fairly and even though they overpaid Petro his $3mil isnt going to handcuff us from making other deals
Outlaw is the real problem child contract here
by Henry Sanchez on Apr 18, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Let’s hope all the negative press
Motivates Outlaw to work hard this off season!
i think we are good
we can’t re-resign outlaw and petro again, can we?
love thy underdog
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Apr 18, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
2012 is gnna be a good draft
Either use that to sign a potential all-star or save it and build
by brickznujerz on Apr 18, 2011 7:34 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
waiting for the other one...
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by eLonepb on Apr 18, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
It's going to be epic, I can tell
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
You can use that one word for every great player in the league
They are all going there, it’s obvious.
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by eLonepb on Apr 18, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can we get that in character, please?
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by eLonepb on Apr 18, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Great Post
Very good post. Good job.
I agree with Net Income – as much as we want to complain about the signing of Travis Outlaw (which everyone will agree was a huge strikeout) most teams have at least 1 bad contract, maybe 2 or 3 on their books – so while it is a shame we have Outlaw on this team for any amount of money, it is not going to kill the franchise.
I think (and I believe the Nets will do this) that the best thing to do with Hump would be to massively front load his contract so that he is getting paid the maximum amount of money allowable under the cap in Year 1 which would then drop down to $3m a year or so in latter years. And I think that should be the objective with any free agent the Nets are looking to sign this summer – regardless of length of contract, etc.
Especially since the Nets are looking to have the most cap space possible for the summer entering Brooklyn – if they could resign Hump and maybe add a piece for the future this summer and pay the bulk of their salaries upfront in season 1 – it frees up cap space for future seasons and might also entice players to come at a discount – as money up front is always better than money owed in the future.
i can see this...
IF the Nets are 100% with Deron staying beyond this season. Front-loading deals will tap into this offseason’s cap space in exchange for possible wiggle room down the road and forcing teams from matching RFAs this offseason. We will essentially be able to add less talent this offseason in this scenario.
Check out N. Collison’s deal and how it was structured, is that even possible with Hump at this point?
The issue with this approach will be the fact that Lopez will need to be extended. I’m thinking he’s getting Horford/Noah type of money 5 years/$60 mil. Both of those guys signed in the fall…which would point to Lopez getting that extension DURING the 2011-2012 season…with the money kicking in for 2012. I’m assuming this $12 million in added salary for 2012 will counter any money saved from front-loading in 2011.
So essentially, this could be the last summer we are UNDER the cap for the foreseeable future.
by BKNfastbreak on Apr 18, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
That's not possible with Hump or any FA this offseason
Collison’s contract was a very unique case.
He was entering the final year of his contract, and OKC had a lot of cap space it wasn’t planning on using.
What they did was take that cap space, give him a huge raise for the final year of his existing contract, and then signed him to a cheaper extension. In essence, he signed close to a 4 year, $20mil extension (fair contract for him). Because they had huge cap space & he had not yet started his final season, they ended up renegotiating that final year, accelerating roughly $7mil of that contract.
The one guy we probably could do something similar to that with is Lopez (after July). If we decide to sit on cap space this offseason, but agree to sign him to an extension (let’s say a flat 4 years/$12mil per year). Unless there’s a rule preventing it for rookies, we could renegotiate his salary next season up $8mil (to roughly $11mil) & then agree to pay him a flat $10mil instead of a flat $12mil over the 4 year extension.
1st round
Memphis looks good without Gay! I smell a trade
NeNe is a monster inside and out.
Thad is pushing his price up
NYK needs CP3 and get rid of Dantoni
ATL is sending D12 to NJ/BK!
i think they are pushing him to LA but hopefully
They wait to fire Otis. Anyone who would trade for Arenas could trade him in the same conference
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by killa kadafi191 on Apr 18, 2011 8:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that Arenas deal is handcuffing Orlando for years
SVG has got to go too.
by DJ HeavyDuty on Apr 18, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Arenas is done...
rather have Outlaw contract for the next decade than Arenas
by Henry Sanchez on Apr 18, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
look otis had him in GS when washington stole him away
and otis did not hand out rashard lewis deal. arenas has an extra year but rashard is making more per year.
he lost turk because he knew turk is not worth what toronto paid him and yet the magic failed hard without him.
trading for VC was silly. he thought he can get 2 good years out of him before he could decline that 18 mil team option.
arenas is not going to be worth the money anymore but otis is the best guy to help him recover on and off the court
they definitely need another big to replace gortat. otis isnt going to settle when you have the greatest center this decade. what more can he do. he’s been handcuffed by other people’s bad deals. the only bad deals he handed out were duhon and redick. and the VC trade was bad but he was lucky that kiki felt anderson was expendable because of Yi
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 18, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Can we just waive Graham today?
Start the week off with a little great Nets news?
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by eLonepb on Apr 18, 2011 8:46 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Morrow was a good signing
Might not be a starter but he did produce and hopefully he along with another net will represent the team during the all star game oh yea forgot lock out. Oh well
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by killa kadafi191 on Apr 18, 2011 8:54 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
speaking of lockout. there will be no summer league
It might be a good move trade this years pick for an established NBA player
by DJ HeavyDuty on Apr 18, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Lets trade Dwill and picks for number one pick and get Irving
What do you think and how can we do this?
I'm paying close attention
to Green, Young, Chandler, and Smith during these playoffs.
Young and Smith impressed me the most so far. Smith played under control and looked to make the right pass rather than jack up poor shots.
Young was very impressive too, but I’m not sure I want to bring in a guy at SF who can’t really shoot.
he didnt get enough minutes
BBD stole all of it and Doc didnt think of bringing in Green when BBD was losing all of his shots. when Green was on the floor he played amazingly well. speaking as a celtics fan
It seemed to me like the Knicks played great while the Celtics played poorly
And yet the Celtics still won.
I was very surprised to see the Knicks playing such good defense though. We’ll see if it was a fluke or something they can maintain.
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by eLonepb on Apr 18, 2011 9:19 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Knicks got the making of a really good team
once they get rid of Dantoni and if Amare can stay healthy.
Amare was a beast yesterday
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Can't believe they didn't ride him down the stretch
Reminded me of the Detroit game when Brook had 39 with 9 minutes left… and barely got the ball again.
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A playoff game involving two of the NBA’s most storied franchises (which everyone keeps saying, but I’m not so sure about) reminded you of a meaningless Nets regular season game?
You really are die-hard.
The Token Black-Jew
Non-televised game too
But yes, because it’s recent.
When a player is hot, you ride them. Pause.
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Chauncey is too old
hes not the guy that can lead them to a championship anymore
by Henry Sanchez on Apr 18, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Chauncey is a stop gap for them
Only 1 year left on his contract.
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Amare was NASTY
Those back to back plays where he did that 360 reverse and the dunk over KG and Baby. Wowza
by Anthony Perez on Apr 18, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Most of you are going to disagree with me but with the threat of a lockout and nobody knowing what the CBA is going to look like until AFTER the draft – if there is ever a draft where having an owner with deep pockets can allow the Nets to do something crazy – it is this draft.
For a lot of lottery teams that are struggling financially and who will be handcuffed financially by a lockout combined with what is considered to be a weak draft – I think there is the chance to steal a lottery pick for much less than many people will think. Teams are not going to be excited about committing guaranteed money to a guy without knowing what salary cap will be like, how long there will be a lockout and for some teams – what their organization will look like when the next season tips off.
I would be a big fan of seeing the Nets do something crazy and look to acquire a top 3 pick and land Derrick Williams to be the SF of the future. That guy is a beast and combined with DWill is a great combination on the break.
How do u suppose the Nets get a top 3 pick?
What do we have to acquire a top 3 pick?
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Outside of their core star players, the Nets don’t have enough to move into the top 3, unless they do something like the Cavs and take on major salary
My point is that this is not known as a strong draft. Teams are very uneasy about the looming lockout and what happens with the new CBA. And in this economy – a lot of teams may be willing to get rid of the guaranteed salary obligations associated with a lottery pick if they are unsure of his potential, where their team is headed, lockout, etc.
This is the perfect example of the benefits of having an owner with deep pockets who is looking to win now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQPjIzCxxVg
@Al_Iannazzone: BREAKING NEWS: Nets are close to acquiring Deron WIlliams from Utah, sources told The Record.
-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.
If we have Singler, Damion James and Outlaw, I think we will be okay at SF. Though, with that combination, I think we would need to upgrade at SG and move Morrow to the bench.
I am very bearish on Singler. Could be a Duke bias of mine. But I just don’t see the athleticism, size and strength necessary to compete on this level. I see him as no better than a Josh McRoberts in the NBA.
by Ryan243 on Apr 18, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I feel like there may be some bargains in the foriegn market
Good International scouting could pay HUGE dividends in this draft. Not sure if the Nets have it, I know their former scout passed this year. There may be opportunities to move up and steal a foreign player from a team that doesn’t scout well.
Nets may be able to trade Lakers pick, cash, and 2012 second round pick to get a Vesely or stand pat and take a Mirotic and stash him overseas. They may even be able to get him or Noguera in second. I’ve seen Montejunous fall too.
very true. i wouldnt mind trading this years first for one next year.
@Al_Iannazzone: BREAKING NEWS: Nets are close to acquiring Deron WIlliams from Utah, sources told The Record.
-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.
I'd prefer Varajao
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id take both. Anderson as a backup Pf/C
and jamison as a sf
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What is Varajao making?
I’ll take Hump if it’s less, of course.
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7.7 million next season and his contract extends to 2014 (9 million)
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-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.
Prob get Hump cheaper
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Doubt it
Zach Randoph just signed for $66 million for 4 years (!!!) so you gotta think Hump is going to be looking for at least half that.
Zack averages 20 ppg
Hump just made it over the 10 ppg mark.
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Yes
Hence, half price.
To be sure, Hump is a better rebounder, defender, shot blocker, and is younger. But as we all know, you get paid in the NBA based on Points Per Game.
Not necessarily
Size alone gets big contracts. Plenty of examples out there.
Dampier, Jerome James, Haywood,
I mean for goodness sakes, Dan Gadzuric made 7M this year.
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How do you win?
Score more points.
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by caseycheesecake on Apr 18, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes...but NBA always overpays for Size
Whether its free agents or in the draft, size is important to NBA teams.
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Yes, this is the simplistic attitude that is inherent in NBA negotiations
Unfortunately, it is very, very far from being accurate.
Jamison has one year.
That would be a good fit, except for the fact that he doesn’t seem like the owner to sell a pick to get rid of salary.
Outlaw, Petro and 3million in cash for Jamison and Semi Erden
Antawn’s expiring and Erden’s decent backup.
Draft a small forward and sign a backup power forward.
When you have to shoot, shoot don't talk.
Which team is more likely to win the AFC east the Patriots or Jets?
The Bills? It's gonna be the JETS homes.-Trevor Price
Why?
Why on earth would Cleveland make that move?
they wouldn't but I can dream
When you have to shoot, shoot don't talk.
Which team is more likely to win the AFC east the Patriots or Jets?
The Bills? It's gonna be the JETS homes.-Trevor Price
im happy we traded our lotto pick now.
Barnes is who i wanted.
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-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.
Depends where that pick lands
If they get in the Top 3, there is talent there. Outside of that, looks like a great move when you consider they got Deron Williams.
The GS pick was probably more valuable in the end.
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GS...
I think GS actually has a shot at the playoffs next year which would make that pick out of the lottery. They have some cap space this summer to add another starter and a solid core of Ellis, Curry, Lee, and Wright….along with their lottery pick this year and Udoh.
by BKNfastbreak on Apr 18, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
its 1-7 protected
i’m not sure if they have to have the eight worst record or after the lottery get placed out the top 7 but if they make playoffs(could be a possibilty depending on who they add) the pick is useless
jazz have to hop they finish like houston. good enough to make it in the east. not enough for the west
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 18, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
this team wont even be in the lottery next year
unless the plan is to tank for a top pick. this team if it is upgraded correctly will be on the sixers and pacers(vogel-era not o’brien) level next year. even so more like the bucks last year
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 18, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
any chance we go after gasol ?
Let hump walk and go after gasol ?
Lopez/Gasol tandem
Not if Howard is the end goal
I’m just hoping this time around, through Deron, we get a clear response of whether or not he’d come here in a trade.
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it wouldnt matter
with hump and gasol. they could likely trade that straight up for howard and not give up anything else and then go get some other role playing bigs like chuck hayes, reggie evans, sam dalembert to play next to dwight
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 18, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
We are in great position.
Even if we dont move Outlaw we can just cover up his stink with a better player at the 3 and 2.
I am impressed by Young so far in the playoffs. Smith played under control but shot a terrible 3 to end the game.
Jeff Green looks like an Outlaw so far.
Josh Mcroberts would be interesting as a cheap backup pf. I think we can get cheaper in the draft though.
I would love Kmart back.
Knick fans are blaming the refs for that loss instead of poor play down the stretch. Melo shot 2 terrible shots and the Knicks missed ft’s. Also Rondo gave them 2 opportunities to score and they didnt capitilize. Boston just pulled out the win and hurt their souls.
They stopped going to Amare
If they had kept goign to him, they win the game.
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Awesome they gonna blame Melo for this. Now he gonna really chuck em up next game.
by power_njerz on Apr 18, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I know right, how could it be “Lucky Ladies Day” at Empire City on Tuesday — the Knicks have a game that day. What is the world coming to?
The Token Black-Jew
I want to hear the Boston crowd chanting Melo during game 2. Imagine if NY’s down late in the game and just hear Melo…Melo. Funny as hell
by CStanley028 on Apr 18, 2011 10:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
hahahahahahhahha
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 18, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
$7 free play!
Wait, what?
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Screen of Melo's last shot, Knicks fans keep saying Pierce hit the rim
Pierce didn’t affect the shot, it was short
by CStanley028 on Apr 18, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Blame anyone but the players
It was the refs! It was Lawrence Frank on the court! Delonte West’s chest bump!
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hahahahh
if you watched Melo play yesterday, you should have realized two things:
1)he deserved to get ripped in the media. He played lazy and uninspired basketball
2)we are LUCKY that he did NOT want to play for us
by MrDollarBills on Apr 18, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Second Round Pick
I believe it is #36, not #35, since the Kings won the coin flip.
Should have looked it up...
Not determined yet – but most likely, unless Utah (with the Nets pick) moves up in the lottery, Nets would be #35. Here’s what the NBA says:
“With respect to the tie between New Jersey and Sacramento (35 and 36): since the order of selection in the first round for this set of teams may change based on the results of the Draft Lottery, the order of selection in the second round cannot be determined until after the Draft Lottery is conducted (on May 17, 2011).”
http://www.nba.com/2011/news/04/15/draft.ties/index.html
Zach Randolph gone
Hours after Zach Randolph helped the Memphis Grizzlies win their first playoff game, the franchise rewarded him with a four-year, $71 million contract extension that was agreed to Saturday night, according to league sources.
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That is almost 18 Mil per year
They have committed huge salaries to Gay, Randolph and Conley
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thats what is old deal was like
he hasnt made much of if any pay increase at all. i think they convinced him if he takes a little less they can still keep gasol pending battier wanting to return ona cheap deal
this is the grittiest team in the league. not one player is flashy. not one guy is literally a go to guy except gay.
the only person that seems not to be returning in the future is mayo. but with lakers/spurs/mavs all getting older the grizz have the prime opportunity to climb in the west. right now the thunder, blazers, and grizzlies are the only young solid cores locked up for the future
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 18, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
thought it was 66 oh well good work zach
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by killa kadafi191 on Apr 18, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
This is from our good friend Chris Broussard
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Has 5 million in bonuses for a total of 71 million at most.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6377990
I wonder if there is a slight chance that Memphis could trade Rudy Gay so that they would have enough Cap to pay for Gasol and Battier?
BKing has to stay alert for such possibilities. Nets have the cap space now to take Gay’s 15+million that grows every year.
Of the $71 million, $66 million is fully guaranteed and the fourth and final year of the deal is a player option, sources said. Randolph has incentives based on individual and team achievements of $1.3 million each season, according to sources.
That's because Rudy Gay is completely overrated
When you are the “star” of the team and the team plays just as well without you as they do with you, it should tell everyone something about whether you deserve to be called a “start”.
This is based on basically one game.
I saw Rudy Gay in person against the Nets and there’s no way that guy isn’t a significant contributor. Really good player. Was easily the best player on the court.
by Anthony Perez on Apr 18, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t be mad. Rather have Smith or Thornton though. He is my 3rd choice for SG.
by power_njerz on Apr 18, 2011 10:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You're not getting Thornton.
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by caseycheesecake on Apr 18, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
wow, the kings GM has spoken
nobody has any shot at thornton
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Apr 18, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
He has.
We’re re-signing him. That is unless you want to pull another Outlaw and offer him 11mil/year or something.
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by caseycheesecake on Apr 18, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Thorton is a superior player to Outlaw
you act as if we are broke.
by MrDollarBills on Apr 18, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The Kings?
They are keeping that name in Anaheim?
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he is a volume chucker
HELL NO
I don’t understand the obsession with players like Young and Earl Smith.
by MrDollarBills on Apr 18, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Those 17+ points a game shooting 44%, putting up 14 and a half shots a game look fine to me.
That’s a better shooting percentage than (in no particular order) Manu, Granger, Vince Carter, Marcus Thornton, Earl The Pearl, Smith, Stephen Jackson, Brandon Jennings, Kevin Martin, our own D-Will, Chauncey Billups, Devin Harris, Jamal Crawford and only .001 % behind Russell Westbrook. and .004 behind D-Rose and Iggy.
Can we stop talking about this guy?
NO
by bronxbombers2 on Apr 18, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol!!! Anyone listening to Wfan?? Some Knick fans are claiming fix already.
by power_njerz on Apr 18, 2011 10:51 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Off-topic
I remember a hoard of people here on NetsDaily berating me after I claimed that “Chris Paul was the best point-guard in the NBA, and consequently, better than Deron Williams.”
Anybody have their mind changed by yesterday’s performance?
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No
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To be honest, they both are good
Deron is more of a no nonsense kind of guy while CP3 is more of LBJ mold. Both can carry teams and bot has proven that. I would add Rose to that list as well.
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both
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both have :)
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Dude he had old ass derrick Fisher guarding him. Relax.
by power_njerz on Apr 18, 2011 11:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
exactly
one great game against one of the worst starting PGs in basketball. Oooo I’m sold
give me a break
by MrDollarBills on Apr 18, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at Deron’s game log throughout his career. He regularly tears up the Lakers, and the Lakers have never been this bad at PG (another year older for Fisher) or looked so out of it. Chris Paul is the best PG in the league along with Deron Williams, they are different players, but I’d rather have Deron.
cp3
is sending a message that is for sure
love thy underdog
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Apr 18, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
amazing performance
for the night, he was the best PG in the league. i still don’t like his knees. if he does that even once more against the lakers, i’ll believe he’s still got it. few PGs can take over a game the way he did… however, it looked like the Lakers wanted CP3 to beat them single-handedly with the way they were (not) playing defense
no, your opinion is still wrong
you just are the grass is greener on the other side type of fellow that just downplays everything about the team that you claim to root for. Real fairweather type stuff.
I remember that you said that “The Knicks fit my personality better”
don’t think that this stuff won’t come up again when the Nets start kicking ass.
by MrDollarBills on Apr 18, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't help but wonder...
If it would be worth it to trade for Dwight Howard, when Brook is still developing. I heard that a possible scenario could be Hump, Lopez, someone else, a couple of picks and cash considerations for Dwight Howard and Redick. I love Dwight but i’m pretty sure that’s giving up way too much for him.. What do ya’ll think?
Id do that in a second
Howard is the best big man in the NBA. Defensively a beast and offensively not too shabby either
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There was no doubt
Someone would think Hump + Lopez is too much for Dwight frickin Howard.
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I was also talking about the drafts picks and cash considerations along with hump, lopez and an unamed player prob Farmar..
really?
tell them to pass the Absinthe this way
by MrDollarBills on Apr 18, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be dirty if Humphries gives the Nets a discount and forgoes a marginal sum of money and then the Nets turn around and trade him. I’m sure he and his agent are smart enough to put in a provision to prevent that.
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agree...
Any sign and trade this summer… Hump would have to agree to. Hump and his agent aren’t dumb, if they give the Nets a hometown discount because he wants to be in the NY area, he’ll make sure he gets something in return to give him assurance that he will be staying here going into Brooklyn.
by BKNfastbreak on Apr 18, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
agree, i just don’t see a trade happening i guess and unfortunately that would be the only we attain him. I say that because Brook is up for an extension next season, better we trade for Dwight with Brook in the package or risk losing out on both of them in free agency, which would be a monumental fail!!!!
Dwight Howard is arguably the best player in the NBA and without a doubt top-3. That’s not giving up too much for Howard.
The Token Black-Jew
Well Morrow too
Poor man’s Ray Allen who hit clutch shots all season long. All teams need a guy like this.
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No he isn't.
Not even top 3.
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by caseycheesecake on Apr 18, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Simply put: you’re wrong.
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by NBRITM on Apr 18, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Don't be bitter because you're resting your hopes and dreams on him.
Be realistic.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Apr 18, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
You moving to Anaheim?
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Who knows?
Go Burkle!
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by caseycheesecake on Apr 18, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know. I’d say Lebron, Wade, CP3, Kobe (ugggh) and D-Will. It’s all really just people arguing…
Plus it changes every year as players get better. At this moment in time, I wouldn’t say Howard is top 5.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Apr 18, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Rose and Howard have to be in there
List needs to be updated
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
yea
hard to make a top 5 that is consistent. You can also argue durant, howard and rose.
love thy underdog
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Apr 18, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Has nothing to do with the fact that I think his career with the Magic is coming to a screeching halt, Dwight Howard is a top-3 NBA player, one of the most underrated players in the league and arguably the best player in the league.
If you’re so obliged, give me your top-3 and tell me why Dwight Howard isn’t in it.
The Token Black-Jew
Sure you can argue he is the best player in the league...
That’s your right as an American!
In my opinion, he’s not there offensively. He’s the best defensive player in the league, but, as you saw yesterday and the last few years, he’s not able to win games himself. He needs to be fed the ball. This unfortunate weakness separates him from players like Kobe, Wade, Lebron, D-Will, CP3…
Dwight has a better cast than Lebron’s old Cav’s cast and he can’t get it done.
He can’t pass.
He get suspended for having so many techs.
His free throw shooting is bad.
Those aren’t a lot of reasons, but they’re enough to separate him from the highest tier of players.
If you had to pick, would you RATHER have D-Will or D-Howard? I’d pick Williams. But if I were to have a 2nd best player on the team, it would be Dwight Howard. If you’d rather have Williams, obviously Dwight isn’t the best player in the league.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Apr 18, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather have Dwight
If I had to start a team it would be Lebron and then Dwight.
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In my opinion, he’s not there offensively.
Completely agree. From an offensive standpoint, I don’t know if I’d even put Dwight in the top-10. His offensive game has improve significantly, but the fact that he’s still a poor free-throw shooters hampers his ability to contribute at the optimum level when the game’s on the line.
He’s the best defensive player in the league.
Not only is he the best defensive player in the league, he’s single-handely taken what would be a bottom-tier defensive team and made them a top-tier one. Dwight Howard is the Magic’s defense. He is far and away the most impactful (and the best) defensive player in the league.
He’s not able to win games himself.
Not true at all. Just because the Magic lost on Saturday to a very formidable Hawks team, does not mean that Howard is unable to single-handedly win a game. In fact, I’ve seen it occur multiple times.
He needs to be fed the ball. This unfortunate weakness separates him from players like Kobe, Wade, Lebron, D-Will, CP3.
Fair point; in fact, it’s a good point — Dwight Howard can not necessarily create for himself without being fed the ball in the low-post. However, by this line of argument, you’re essentially asserting that low-post players (such as Shaquille O’Neal, Kareem Abdul Jabar, etc.) aren’t adequate offensive weapons because they “have to be fed the ball.”
If you had to pick, would you RATHER have D-Will or D-Howard?
Dwight Howard, without thinking twice.
The Token Black-Jew
NBRITM, We all know that championships are dominated by size and defense, and Howard brings more of that than any other player in the league…this argument is horrible. Possibly the worst thing I ever read on NetsDaily.
Best defense in the league? Bulls. And that includes a horrible defender in Boozer.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Apr 18, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Did I say Orlando has the best defense in the league? NO
Is Joakim Noah known as one of the best defenders in the NBA? YES
Is Omer Asik getting crazy praise for being a great defender? YES
Is Taj Gibson a great defender? YES
Is Thibs getting credit for helping Boozer develop defensively? YES
Howard + any scrubs = one of the best defenses in the league, and almost no one else in the NBA can do that. End of story.
I did not assert that elite low post players “aren’t adequate offensive weapons”. I said they’re not as good as players who can create for themselves.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Apr 18, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
He can’t win games himself? This is an awful, awful, awful argument.
Defense wins championships. Howard makes any team he’s on a top 5 defensive team. He also makes any offense incredibly better. He is the second most important player in the league after LeBron, and maybe more important.
Statements like “defense wins championships” are too simplistic. Obviously the championship team has to be efficient offensively as well as defensively.
I’d rather have an elite PG than elite C any day.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Apr 18, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Not me
Name me the last Elite Center who didnt win a championship.
Plenty of great Pgs who didnt win one (Stockton, Nash, Payton, ect).
Of course with the rule changes, that may change the course of history.
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That argument is flawed
because there haven’t been nearly as many elite centers as there have been elite point guards.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Apr 18, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends on YOUR definition of great
I listed HOF Pgs….not Mark Price types.
For example, I dont consider Kevin Johnson to be a great PG- perhaps you do. But Stockton, Nash, Payton- all HOF players- combined zero rings. Other than Patrick Ewing pretty much every great elite center has won a ring.
Its just recently that there seems to be a surplus of good point guards and IMO a lot has to do with the hand checking rule that allows quick smaller players more freedom than before.
Nets 2011- looking forward to the lottery- again
Who’s the last elite point-guard to win a championship? Who’s the last elite center to win a championship?
History shows that centers are more important than point-guards in terms of winning championships.
The Token Black-Jew
So if the Bulls win it all,
does Noah become elite?
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Apr 18, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re really gonna revert to straw-man arguments? We’ve gotten this far; don’t exhaust the integrity of this mini-debate with that.
To answer, your question — no.
The Token Black-Jew
Okay to answer your questions:
Who’s the last elite point-guard to win a championship?
I guess Isaiah Thomas?
Who’s the last elite center to win a championship?
Shaq, and before him, Hakeem.
“History shows that centers are more important than point-guards in terms of winning championships.”
Unfortunately history is changing before our eyes. Ball handlers (Lebron, Wade, Rose, CP3, D-Will) are the present and the future.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Apr 18, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately history is changing before our eyes. Ball handlers (Lebron, Wade, Rose, CP3, D-Will) are the present and the future.
Are we sure about that? If we look at the last decade, each team had good defensive big-men. Now, you could make the argument that the majority of the teams had a dominant wing-scorer — and I would grant you that — but no dominant wing-scorer (in the last decade) has won without at least one top-level big-man.
You say that “history is changing before our eyes,” but I’m prompted to ask — based on what? Only one of the five players you named has won a championship and he did it with one of the greatest big-men in the history of the NBA (although he was passed his prime).
What suggests that “ball handlers” are the future of winning?
The Token Black-Jew
dUHZ HiLightzeuz viEOdz
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by eLonepb on Apr 18, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is that how I sound?
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by caseycheesecake on Apr 18, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Cool.
Attack me personally.
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by caseycheesecake on Apr 19, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Simply how the way the game is officiated now.
Guards and slashers dominate. If they can play defense, like Lebron and CP3, they become elite.
Under your premise, Dwight Howard is almost guaranteed to win a ring before he retires? Because as a HOF C, only Ewing hasn’t.
I’m not saying he’s not great, but with the way the game is called today, I’d rather have D-Will or CP3 than Dwight.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Apr 18, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Once again, you’re taking leaps in logic to arrive at straw-man conceptions of my argument.
I’m not implying that Dwight Howard is guaranteed to win a championship (although, I think he will), all I’m illustrating is that history shows having a dominant big-man (or multiple above average big-men) is imperative towards winning a championship.
The game has changed though; you’re right in that aspect.
Bottom-line, Dwight Howard is a top-three player.
The Token Black-Jew
What has occured more in history?
A dominant big-man winning a title without a dominant guard? Or a dominant guard winning without a dominant big-man?
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Apr 18, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
[insert proof here]
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Apr 19, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Guards and slashers have dominated for how long? And who wins championships? The teams with the most size…fancy that.
This is insane. Kobe is great, but he won with Pau, Odom, and Bynum, he has the biggest front line in the league. The Celtics won with the best D in the league, not to mention Big Baby, Garnett, and Perkins.
People think the Celtics can’t win specifically because Perkins is gone! They still have Rondo, and PGs apparently dominate the game. They still have Pierce…
NOPE. That actually isn’t too simplistic. People make things too complex. Defense wins championships, end of story.
I’d rather have an elite C. You know why? Chris Paul, Deron Williams, John Stockton, ugh, I’m not going to name 25 great PGs that haven’t won championships.
Every great C wins championships. Every. Single. One.
Patrick Ewing didn't (one of 50 greatest players)
It’s hard to say what would be better point guard vs center.
Really it depends on the rest of the roster and the team’s style of play.
When you have to shoot, shoot don't talk.
Which team is more likely to win the AFC east the Patriots or Jets?
The Bills? It's gonna be the JETS homes.-Trevor Price
No…it’s not hard. from scratch every GM would take a great C over a great anything. People knew Jordan had tons of talent and Hakeem AND another big man went before him.
Does everyone remember Oden going over Durant?
Patrick Ewing is one of the only ones, and he is considered a bust by many for it…and who did he lose to in the finals? Hakeem.
Jordan is amazing, and an outlier because he was a guard who dominated the game, unlike Bill Russell, Hakeem, Kareem…
Every NBA champion is great at defense, and it’s easier to build a great D with big men. That’s why Tim Duncan has rings, that’s why Shaq has rings…there are obviously outliers, as there are in anything, but there is an obvious trend.
You say that every GM would take a potentially great C over anything, then you continue to point out how it has failed miserably in most modern cases: Darko, Oden, Olawakandi, Okafor, Thabeet, Kwame, Bradley etc…
Championships are not won by great C’s, they’re won by a multitude of things including great defense and efficient offense. I believe that a great PG, preferably one that plays defense (CP3), would contribute most to those two main categories.
And to come back to my original point: Even if you guys don’t get Dwight, you can still win a championship and D-Will will be MVP.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Apr 19, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't here for the original point.
But, championships are won by great big men, not just Centers. Size + defense win championships. We aren’t talking about failed big men, as I could also name hundreds if not thousands of failed guards as well.
We are talking about what wins. There are numerous “great” PGs that have not won titles, but dominant defensive big men have ALWAYS won.
Kareem
Wilt
Cowens
Cunningham
Hayes
Lucas
Moses
McHale
Mikan
Shaq
Hakeem
Parish
Willis
Robison
Russell
Wes
Walton
Who are the exceptions? Malone, Barkley, and Ewing? Who played in the Jordan era, and are all considered overrated anyway?
Pete Maravich, John Stockton, Jason Kidd, Kevin Johnson, Gary Payton (not the one who slummed for the HEAT), Steve Nash…these are arguably some of the best Guards of all time…
At least Magic won (who helped him?) and Oscar won
by SadNetsFan on Apr 19, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Malone's arguably the best power forward of all time and Ewing was better than some of the bigs you posted
Malone, Barkley, and Ewing? Who played in the Jordan era, and are all considered overrated
When you have to shoot, shoot don't talk.
Which team is more likely to win the AFC east the Patriots or Jets?
The Bills? It's gonna be the JETS homes.-Trevor Price
You are wording this really weird so are you disagreeing or agreeing they are overrated?
And Ewing is the exception to the theory, and extremely overrated…I didn’t miss a game of his career. And who did he lose to in the finals? Hakeem.
Malone and Ewing were both great big men they weren't overated
Hakeem is my favorite center of all time he was much better than Patrick.
When you have to shoot, shoot don't talk.
Which team is more likely to win the AFC east the Patriots or Jets?
The Bills? It's gonna be the JETS homes.-Trevor Price
I proved you wrong already but keep digging that grave
Every great C wins championships. Every. Single. One.
Patrick Ewing didn’t. If you’re going to respond to me start there….
When you have to shoot, shoot don't talk.
Which team is more likely to win the AFC east the Patriots or Jets?
The Bills? It's gonna be the JETS homes.-Trevor Price
Did you prove me wrong? Or the other guy?
Every single great C wins a championship. Patrick Ewing is not a great C. He was an above average C, not really special, terrible knees also. Lost to HAKEEM in the finals, a great C.
You. Statistacally Ewing was better than Hakeem
Before his knees went he could run up and down the court and block shots a lot better.
There are four players in NBA history that have compiled 20,000 points, 10,000 rebounds and 4,000 assists: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Wilt Chamberlain, Karl Malone and Patrick Ewing.
When you have to shoot, shoot don't talk.
Which team is more likely to win the AFC east the Patriots or Jets?
The Bills? It's gonna be the JETS homes.-Trevor Price
You said something factually wrong that needed to be corrected.
When you have to shoot, shoot don't talk.
Which team is more likely to win the AFC east the Patriots or Jets?
The Bills? It's gonna be the JETS homes.-Trevor Price
+1
These guys making it sound like Dwight = championship.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Apr 19, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Words matter.
Every. Single. One.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Apr 19, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
My Top Five (Right Now)
1. James
2. Howard
3. Wade
4. Bryant
5. Durant
The Token Black-Jew
My top five
1. Howard
2. KG
3. Duncan
4. LeBron
5. Durant
After last night Amare is getting real close.
Life as a Net fan
Can it get any worse? There's always tomorrow.
Tell me your and we'll compare
Life as a Net fan
Can it get any worse? There's always tomorrow.
To me Rose has surpassed D-wade
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
In terms of being a unstoppable scoring force
With the Will to take over games, D-wade is still a beast but I think Rose has come into his own and has surpassed Wade. Watching them both Rose is playing how Wade did when he made the run to win the Championship. Also watching Rose against the Heat this year Rose has made the jump up.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
There’s more to basketball than just offense — even though Wade is a superior offensive player to Rose — defense wins championships.
The Token Black-Jew
I agree but Rose is playing at a higher level than Wade
I think he has surpassed him as a player which was going to happen eventually, but has happened earlier and quicker than I thought which is not a knock on Wade but he has gotten older. If there was a draft right now Rose would go go ahead of Wade in my eyes, age durability etc.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Thank you NBRITM. Thank god you are writing stuff like this or I would fall off the deep-end.
Not in terms of Rose vs. Wade (ha…Roe vs. Wade)
but in terms of defense being important…
Rose is the worst defender on his team BTW. Wade just has LeBron now…do people not remember him from last year? Played just like Rose is now.
Bryant and Wade are smalls
Great for their size but it’s all about the ability of your bigs to defend. That’s why I had KG and Duncan instead. Bryant shoots 6-24 in game 7 last year and they still won because of that’s teams ability to defend. Howard real should be 1-3 because nobody is really close to him as far as being the best imo.
Life as a Net fan
Can it get any worse? There's always tomorrow.
or because Artest went off
love thy underdog
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Apr 18, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
my top 5, this is fun
1. James
2. Howard
3. Wade
4, Durant
5. Bryant
love thy underdog
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Apr 18, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
My top 5
1. Graham
2. The other Graham
3. Outlaw
4. Gadzuric
5. Thabeet
by Anthony Perez on Apr 18, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Dwight, the best big man in the NBA is not a top 3 player
and you want to tell us to be realistic
I hope we take Thornton from you and crush your hopes.
by MrDollarBills on Apr 18, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Sacramento doesnt have hopes
Or Anaheim for that matter.
Nets 2011- looking forward to the lottery- again
His defense alone makes him top 3
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-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 18, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Just like Bowen, Battier and Prince
are always so highly revered.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Apr 18, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Your arguments are lacking any logic.
You can’t nitpick irrelevant details and expect to win an argument.
by bronxbombers2 on Apr 18, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
And those guys dominated games like Dwight can.
Okay.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Apr 18, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
This is disgusting. I want to mark as troll.
Bowen by the way is a champion, and is known for not being an end of the bench guy, but an integral piece on a championship team that won b/c of D.
Prince is similar.
Now to the real point…if u think that Bowen, Battier, and Prince combined have an impact 1 one millionth of one iota close to what Dwight Howard does, then you really have a significant problem in not only critical thinking, but in basic brain functioning.
If I don’t agree with you, I lack basic brain funtions. Okay.
I guess I have to agree with you. Wait…isn’t that what trolls say?
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Apr 19, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Awwww Knicks lose ....sad face.....
(But im really smiling)… love to listen to sports radio this morning!!! Melo this dantoni that.. blah blah …
by kupalski on Apr 18, 2011 11:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Howard and the future ahead
It seems many of the Orlando people see the impending doom…
http://www.magicbasketball.net/2011/04/18/dwight-howard-and-the-future-ahead/
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"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
the one guy “Dannyiglesias” comment on that article shows he knows nothing about the NBA outside of Orlando Homerism
by CStanley028 on Apr 18, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I love that he doesn't even know D-Will's name, he called him Derrick Williams
"I just copped me an all-things, a professional ball team
Tell me I ain't the illest hustler ya'll seen"
There are two first round series I am really watching(recording on DVR)
that is:
Hawks vs. Magic
because I think Magic lose this series. This will be the exclamation point of the end of Howard in Orlando. Trade request over the off season. The end of Thorpe. New management ala Denver. Then let the bargaining begin.
Of course NY vs. Boston.
Of course I am rooting for Boston. It goes against my morals, but Knick fans need a wake up call and DWill needs to realize that 3 stars doesnt always work.
Official Member of the "DIDN'T WANT TO TRADE DERRICK FAVORS, BUT HAPPY WE GOT D. WILLIAMS" Movement
Denver/OKC is great too
Those are my 3 series
by Anthony Perez on Apr 18, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Orlando should "punish" Dwight
by trading him to the Nets
that’ll teach him a lesson!!!
by MrDollarBills on Apr 18, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Love the Hump & Kim stories
But for the love of God, PLEASE do not post a thread about the story they are talking about today.
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Except this tidbit from a diff story
What about playing for the hometown Timberwolves?
“Minnesota’s always close to me, but I don’t think now’s the time,” Humphries said. “We got something going in New Jersey, a move to Brooklyn (N.Y.) in a new building the year after next season that’s supposed to be the premier arena in the league, and I want to be part of that. I hear courtside seats already are sold out.”
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/yb/158133044
That true? Courtside sold out? Hump sounds sold on Nets too.
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"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
It is tricky, but it takes a real man. Someone really strong.
Boom.
What you don’t like a girl that needs to get hers?
The Token Black-Jew
Was talking more about the hair situation
And not the one on your head.
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Ain't that a b----!?
So I forced a trade for Dwight in NBA 2K (we won the title in 2012-2013, pics below) and this is the funniest part about it (should’ve taken a pic)
Brook Lopez beats him out for All-Star and All-NBA 1st team in the past couple of seasons. He’s been averaging 26ppg and 11 rpg. Nasty numbers.
Still, we won the title. I simmed.
My starting lineup was
D-Will
Marcus Thorton
Damion James
Kris Humphries
Dwight Howard
And we had some decent backups. Farmar, Morrow, a rookie SF I got in the late 1st round who was pretty great (Kawhi Leonard from SDSU, traded up slightly), and I forgot who my backup bigs were.
Left to Right: Thorton, D-Will, Hump, Dwight
by Anthony Perez on Apr 18, 2011 11:41 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Obama needs a better tailor
That suit is far too big for him.
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Can’t believe Knick fans are complaining about Allen chest bumping during the last play, does that hurt their feelings? If anything that means the celtics weren’t paying that much attention so you should’ve taken advantage. L Frank did get a little on the court but didn’t affect Melo at all, Melo just dribbled right by and stopped at the 3 point line with about 6 seconds left before settling for the long 3
So apparently my parents just met Avery
He was at UPenn for some orientation type thing for his daughter. My dad got a picture with him, he said they were the first to recognize him. Good thing I wasn’t there, I would have asked him about Travis Outlaw
Chandler is a good fit.There's not a great fit because there's no go-to wing scorer in FA
He defends (which they need) , he drives the basketball (which they need) , he can shoot it well enough , and he can run with Deron a little bit (which they need). And a highlight dunk , highlight block , big 3 , or taking a charge regularly would be most welcome. Nothing wrong with a little entertainment.
Draft Jon Leuer (less pick and pop with Petro/Farmar , use Leuer instead) and draft David Lighty (defense). They are experienced college players who can probably contribute right away to some NBA teams. Morrow can still get the bulk of the minutes at SG and be the first guy off the bench.
Deron Williams – Jordan Farmar
David Lighty – Anthony Morrow
Wilson Chandler – Damion James
Kris Humphries – Jon Leuer
Brook Lopez – Johan Petro
+ Outlaw (backup PF-SF)
Find a cheap SG as the 12th guy who suits up regularly. Perhaps take a chance on Azubuike if he checks out ? Rasual Butler ? There’s probably someone out there relatively cheap who can help in that role or just fill in when someone’s hurt. It’s going to be hard to replace Grahamvp , but I think it can be done !
We would have assets and picks to try and get Dwight early , or be able to give them good stuff back if Dwight wants to be here as a free agent. If it doesn’t happen , oh well.
Jon Leuer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aROdr-IDE7g
David Lighty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJzEIcjEQU8
"This isn’t fantasy or rotisserie basketball. Why would Denver want Outlaw? Would you?"
AGREED....
Wilson Chandler and D12 should be our priorities this summer!!
Front load the deal for Chandler, so Denver can’t match it, as they have a bunch of other free agents to worry about.
Lighty, CJ Miles and Thornton should be next on our list for SG
and last but not least go all out for D12!!
Also try a sucker who would take Outlaw’s contract!
Not sure how you got the $19.7 million under the cap figure.
The Nets should be under the cap by roughly $19.7 million in 2011-12
??
Nets have $39.82 million in salary committed for next season, by counting the full $884,000 for Gaines and 0 for Wright and Graham – That is exactly what Storytellers shows for 2011-2012 salary (updated April 15).
http://www.storytellerscontracts.com/
If one assumes the cap is same as last year (58.044-39.82) = $18.22 million cap space, not $19.7 million.
The cap would have to be raised to $59.5 million to get that figure.
I wonder how they would even be able to announce a new cap without having a new CBA?
But what is the salary cap you are using?
I looked at shamsports and it is totally the same as storytellers, but is out of date (no Gaines) and unclear on Graham (Storytellers correctly counts Graham as 0 – thank God).
To calculate cap space based on the total of expiring contracts is open to more errors.
This past year has been an epic fail.
considering where we were last year and the circumstances, while having a chance for wall and to have OVER 30 million in a stacked free agency and coming out with outlaw? Im sorry but whoever thinks that this year has been successful considering where we were is wrong
Weren’t we a 12 win team who didn’t get the top pick in a one-superstar draft?
Didn’t most of our team not even find another home in the NBA?
We ended up with depth at PG, one of the best sharpshooters in the NBA, and, something else…
Deron Williams.
epic fail?
We had 30 million to spend and had a chance at the first pick.
We wasted money on outlaw and only improved by 12 games. I am satisfies about dwill but after last year i had much higher hopes.
I guess if your disappointed your expectations were too high…sorry man.
I thought we would be re-building for the next 5 years with a bunch of scrubs, instead we have transitioned into win now mode, I think it’s cool.
i thought we would be able to come out with one star and even after free agency i thought we would have a shot at the playoffs
yea
I’m not disappointed they didn’t get a star because I expected that but I was just flabbergasted at how long they focus on Lebron as if they had a chance but the past is the past.
It is only a problem when you fail to learn from past mistakes.
things should be better as long as smarter decisions are made this time around
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by killa kadafi191 on Apr 18, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm just mad that they didnt make any moves til after the decision
everyone else except cleveland and miami made serious moves and i can understand why but new jersey?
you knew when hump opted in you couldnt get two max players so why were you not adding pieces instead of hoping lebron and someone else take paycuts to come to a bare roster?
harris, morrow, beasley, tyrus thomas, lopez with favors off the bench. then maybe lee and cd-r stay and dont act pissed and t-will plus farmar. that team wins at least 35 games and then we are either in playoff game threads or hoping to get kyrie irving so we can ship harris out of town
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 18, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
what
dude, we pulled a trade for Deron Williams.
We actually have media people talking openly about Dwight Howard possibly being traded people
The only one wrong here is YOU
by MrDollarBills on Apr 18, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Love,CJ Miles, Wilson Chandler & Jon Leuer on Nets roster
The Nets can`t pass up Jon Leuer great shooting 3 point range, and 52% shooting from the floor.
I wonder who Deron says he wants, and doesn’t want the Nets to go after…
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
i love it
If Atlanta send Orlando …home, what happen with Dwight Howard???
Normally I root for the Magic to win it all in the East… have for the past few years. This year I am rooting for the Nets, thus, a Howard 1st round exit.
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
Nothing
Under no circumstances will Orlando trade Howard. They’ll call his bluff & let him walk. Cap relief does them no good, because they’ll still be hamstrung until Arenas & Turkoglu’s contracts expire. Trading Howard condemns them to being a terrible team with a huge payroll.
I doubt they let him walk
They let Shaq walk. They wont let Howard walk.
Same owner there as when Shaq walked. 0% chance they let him walk for nada. The owner (De voss) wont allow it.
Nets 2011- looking forward to the lottery- again
How many teams will have the cap room to sign Howard?
& which are they? It’s not like the Lakers will have $18mil in cap room. Neither will the Knicks, nor Miami, nor Chicago. Odds are that we won’t either. Do they think he’ll walk out on Orlando to sign in Minnesota? The only highly attractive team that will have massive cap space is the Thunder, but I don’t see Howard as an Oklahom City type of guy.
As of now, the mega cap-space in big markets isn’t there in 2012. Currently, his only way to one of the “top” destinations is via trade. If Orlando is unwilling to accommodate him, he’s stuck unless he takes a pay cut.
Orlando will drag their feet & watch the market. If some attractive destinations start freeing up cap room, then they may start to listen. As of now, the two teams that they may need to keep an eye on are Dallas & Houston.
It will be a trade if he leaves
Without question.
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Would be a stupid move
Any team you trade him to will give you decent talent back, the ability to lose a little cap space, and probably most important: draft picks.
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You refuted your own point:
Cap relief does them no good, because they’ll still be hamstrung until Arenas & Turkoglu’s contracts expire.
It wouldn’t behoove the Magic to just let Howard “walk” because they won’t have the cap-space necessary to effectively rebuild the franchise. That’s why it’s in their best interest to trade Howard in a deal that brings back young, promising players, draft picks and cap-relief. They should package one of their albatross contracts alongside Dwight to significantly accelerate the rehabilitation process of the franchise.
I’d be extremely surprised if the Magic don’t trade Dwight before he’s up to enter free-agency. Sometimes it’s best to just cut your losses.
The Token Black-Jew
You're missing the point
Where would he “walk” to? There’s no sexy destinations with 2012 cap space as of now. As of now, the likeliest destinations to have cap space are Minnesota, Oklahoma City & Houston. Dallas might be able to if Cuban makes a small salary shedding deal or two. If Howard wants to win, he teams up with Durant & Westbrook in OKC. My gut tells me that he wants brighter lights than OKC though.
Orlando is in a situation where there is no accelerated rehabilitation. Without Howard, they will be terrible until Arenas & Turkoglu come off the books. What’s a guy like Lopez going to do? Help them win 25 games instead of 20?
Yes, if Howard leaves it will be via trade. That will only happen if Orlando’s hand is forced though. They won’t bend over backwards to trade Howard to the Lakers or any other team of his choice, especially if that team doesn’t have enough cap space to sign him outright. They will have to honestly believe that he will walk to a team with cap space. If LA, NY, Chicago, Miami, maybe even Dallas or Houston have the cap space to sign him outright, then the Magic can start worrying. If the only teams with the cap space to sign him are teams like Minnesota, Sacramento, & possibly OKC then I believe Orlando will call his bluff. Howard is not a small market guy.
marc???
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by killa kadafi191 on Apr 18, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont think we would ever, or anyone would ever trade them for each other straight up, so it doesn’t even matter. The question is, do you make the trade depending on who else is involved. Mayo? etc.
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
Of course you do.
Like Killa said Orl may want to move Dwight out of conference. La would gladly trade Pau for Dwight but thats not enough for Orl imo. Gasol and Bynum on Orl makes no real sense being as Bynum is a FA and Pau is 30. Other teams would have to be involved. enter the Nets and some other teams, maybe Memph or Indy or another team looking to move a high paid player but at the same time remain relevant.
If possible would you take back Pau and Granger while moving out Lopez Hump Farmar(who La wants back desperately now that their backcourt is exposed)
Orl is in a tough spot.
Does Dwight look at LA and see that they are getting older and Kobe has only about 2 more years of prime play?? He may look at that situation and decide NJ is a better choice.
Like I have been saying we are in the driver seat this time. We have the 2nd best offensive center in the league now, an elite guard and plenty of cap to sign some players and assets. If we dont get Howard no big deal, If we do get him major deal!! We become legit overnite.
Orlando
would be goddamned stupid to trade for Bynum over Lopez
I’m sorry, as good as Bynum is he cannot stay healthy and would not be worth signing to a ridiculous deal when they already have so much bad salary on the books
by MrDollarBills on Apr 18, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
this is why
I am highly skeptical when it comes to claims that Orlando would take back a package of Bynum and Odom when heading into a REBUILD.
by MrDollarBills on Apr 18, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont think they would be rebuilding per se, they dont really have young. It would be more like, just Orlando getting worse.
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
Looking at Z-Bo's contract, it would be reasonable to assume that Hump's contract will have a few million in individual and team incentives too, with the final year being a player option.
I believe the incentives can be up to 25% of contract. ZBo’s was for up to $5 million added to the $66 million over 4 years.
Nets fans wouldn’t complain so much if Outlaw’s contract had incentives – would never pay out!
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6377990
I wonder why the Nets don’t use large incentives more often?
because its a low-ball move
it doesnt show trust and players know unless there is some injury clause they likely wont get paid. plus i think the nba limits how much incentives can be placed in a contract
like the raiders and nmamdi asomougha. they put some ridiculous clauses in like he has to make the pro bowl 2/3 years of his 3 year 50 mil deal and have to get at least 20 interceptions(he’s a corner).
silly because other teams qb’s rarely throw to him already. so after his first year (this year) he failed to meet most of his performance clauses although the raiders defense remarkably improved and they swept the division finished 8-8 and one game out the playoffs al davis terminated his deal.
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 18, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Not if the incentives are in addition to what would be a decent offer.
Making the playoffs is a pretty reasonable incentive.
If I was Hump, I would want to have approval over any trade. If you want to show trust, the Nets would agree to that if it was possible. Hump apparently wants to remain in New York with Kim. He doesn’t want to sign a 5 year contract and then get traded to Orlando.
Hump can make more money by staying in NY with Kim because of all the endorsements that would be coming once he gets engaged. (Hopefully she will pay for the 10 carrot diamond ring, and he will just have to propose).
Gimme a break
Kobe Bryant is the ONLY player in the league with a no trade clause. Hump is not getting a no trade clause. Any player can be traded if the team feels so willing and the rules allow it.
He wants to stay, we want him to stay.
But if Howard becomes available and it takes Hump, see ya!
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But there have been cases of multi-player trades where players (Dallas trade for Kidd) have been able to turn down the trade.
It has to do with what rights they have.
And if I am Hump, then I reply, if no no-trade agreement, then give me $10 million/year.
Why should Hump give Nets a major break without an agreement not to be traded?
No they can't actually turn down the trade
They can refuse to report, and then they get fined.
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The JKidd trade was held up because a player (can't remember his name) had the right to reject being included in trade.
He didn’t have a no trade clause like Kobe, but he still had rights.
They had to work out another trade as a result.
Alonzo Mourning was a case like you mentioned, where he refused to report to Toronto.
geroge
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by killa kadafi191 on Apr 18, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
True
Guys who signed a one year deal that off-season & have bird-rights have the right to refuse a trade.
Hump’s more than welcome to sign a one year deal. I’m betting he won’t though.
Thanks.
What ever happened to Devean George anyway? Appears to be out of NBA.
What is to prevent a no-trade clause being added?
If it came down to Hump for 5 million with a no-trade clause vs. Hump for 9 million w/o, which would you prefer?
Maybe just a friendly handshake guarantee from Billy King would suffice!?
Fortunately Orlando has Bass/Anderson combo at PF, so I don’t think SVG would be too crazy about Hump.
Can anyone think of a better 1-2 punch then Deron and Dwight… in the entire league? I cant think of any 2 players that would be better off paired together.
You have great D by both, Howard obviously is the best C in the league, and paired with a guy who has above average court vision and passing ability, who can also shoot the 3…
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
yep
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 18, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd take Dwight & Deron over Lebron & Wade
Wouldn’t sell as many jerseys, but that’s an incredibly formidable 2-some. Not so sure the Lebron + Wade show has worked that well so far.
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by eLonepb on Apr 18, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
first year 55 games and second seed
things look good so far
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 18, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Not doubting that
But if I had to start a basketball team from scratch, and I had no idea how two players would play together, I’d pair an All Star PG with an All Star PF/C (especially a 3 time DPOY) before I did an All Star G with an All Star SF.
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Disagree.
If Dwight Howard was player who was more similar to Karl Malone than Shaq (meaning he could post up as well as run the pick-n-roll), then I would choose Williams and Howard, but that isn’t the case. I’m not sure that having a great facilitator does Howard that much of a service because of the way he operates on the offensive end.
Wade and LeBron are two of the three best players in the NBA and they both have shown that they’re committed to defense.
The Token Black-Jew
That Should Read:
who was more similar to Karl Malone in that he could post up as well as effectively run the pick-n-roll — as opposed to a player like Shaq who really only scores out of the low-post — then…
The Token Black-Jew
It is a hard decision, but ultimately what is easier to find? Size that defends the paint and can contain the other teams’ big men (Joel Anthony/Dampier) and a PG capable of running the offense and facilitating (the big 3 have Rondo) or athletic wings that can defend and slash?
I don’t know how someone can choose either.
Marlone, no rings
Shaq, rings. I’ll take it any day!
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They(Lebron + Wade) work best when they are NOT on the floor together. They cancel each other out in too many situations. They are not complimentary, just REALLY REALLY good.
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
Wade and Lebron are animals
but sorry, common sense says that dominant post play mixed with dominant point guard play wins championships.
by MrDollarBills on Apr 18, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
ya
of course James / Wade is probably the best player combo, but Dwight / Deron would be the best complimentary combo between the two.
love thy underdog
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Apr 18, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. I never said the best 2 players in the league, but the best 2 players to compliment each other in a way that would be beneficial to a team.
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
heard a pretty good one
if you are going to start a team, who would you choose?
Chris Paul and Lebron James
or
Derrick Rose and Dwight Howard
love thy underdog
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Apr 19, 2011 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Rose and Dwight would be good too, but again I take Deron. I would rather Cp3 and Dwight, or Lebron and Dwight. Cp3 and Deron pass better then Rose and Lebron, and Deron shoots better from long range. Rose would struggle to get Dwight the ball in the right place at the right time(hello Boozer) and would just resort to taking it himself.
Ill take Deron and Dwight yet again.
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
ya
lots of people picked DH12 and Rose no question. But like you said, Rose wouldn’t be able to get the ball to dwight that well.
love thy underdog
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Apr 19, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
If it were a 1on1 game I would probably take Rose or Lebron, but thats a whole diff discussion.
"LeBron puts up great numbers, can't close w/o DWade. LeBricked 3 late 3s when shouldve been driving, getting to line. What else new?"
Yet casual basketball fans think he is a God, and would exhaust their entire squads to land him...
Alert Dwight Howard- Alert Dwight Howard
Dwight Howard hates losing especially to the Hawhttp://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_magic/2011/04/dwight-howard-hates-losing-especially-to-the-hawks-video.htmlks
I love it . Dwight Howard
Let`s Go Hawks send Dwihttp://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_magic/2011/04/dwight-howard-hates-losing-especially-to-the-hawks-video.htmlght Howard go home.
If you post it one more time
Then I’ll watch it
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Shocking!
He hates losing!
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Did not know that
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Now you can sleep
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the last part Dwight Howard said
The last part Dwight Howard said,< it`s my hometowm team>
Let`s Go Atlanta Hawks
Send Dwight Howard Go Home , Smell Trading
Twin says Dwight doesn't like physical play
LMAO, dude dropped 40 and 20 on you, why don’t you shut up JC, hahaha!
Let`s go Collins ,Let`s go Atlanta Hawks
Landing Dwight Howard to NETS
We won't be overpaying for scrubs anymore those days are over IMO
I think part of the problem nobody talks about last offseason was Thorn basically saying he was leaving as we were going after free agents, and us not knowing who would replace him yet, as we were coming off 12 wins, which looked like we were a bit disorganized. Also the NBA did not really know who Proky was, or what he was about, along with not having a star like D-will here to lure people. Was a mess, but now the Brooklyn arena is coming up not just steal on the ground but in the air as well, there is more cohesion on all levels of the organization, was to much movement last year new,coach, GM and owner.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
If you can get d Howard you do it. The only untouchable is Williams.
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
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If you can get Howard
Even Williams is available. If you can get a top 3 player in the league/the best center in the league for a top 7-12 player/top 3 PG you do it.
Howard & James are the two guys in the league that you trade just about anything to get.
No way you trade D-Will for Howard
Kind of defeats the purpose…
by Anthony Perez on Apr 19, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes You Do
Yes, the ideal scenario would be to pair the two up. However, if Orlando was resigned to trading him, and offered him for DWill, the Nets take the deal. DWill is great, but Howard is still a big upgrade.
There are very few guys in the league that a team wouldn’t trade for Howard. Lebron is probably the only definite. Durant & Kobe are probably nots, although if LA could put nostalgia aside, they’d probably trade Kobe (at his advanced age) for Howard. Rose is a maybe due to how balanced the Bulls are right now, and how well he fits with that team. Think Miami wouldn’t part with Wade or Bosh for Howard? Think their respective teams wouldn’t move Duncan, Nowitzki, Nash, Stoudemire, CP3, Wall, Griffin… for Howard? He overmatches his opponent night in & night out. He’s basically what Shaq was in his prime. Yes, he’ll need a perimeter go to guy for end of game situations (all big men do), but the guy is young, dominant & plays the hardest to fill position on the court.
Nope
I would never include D-Will in a Howard package. I can live with Lopez with more of a mean streak
by Anthony Perez on Apr 19, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Jr Smith!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qrYRXb-UMw
Never give up on something, you can't go on a day without thinking bout it....
by Kingsley King Lin on Apr 18, 2011 9:56 PM EDT reply actions
that excitement is just what the Nets need
Get him Billy!!
When you have to shoot, shoot don't talk.
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The Bills? It's gonna be the JETS homes.-Trevor Price
All positives
can get out in transition-check
can create his own shot-check
good perimeter shot-check
can slash-check
restricted free agent-check
When you have to shoot, shoot don't talk.
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