Discarding the Past, Invested in the Future, the Nets Move On
by Net Income on Apr 14, 2011 9:18 AM EDT
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Dave D'Alessandro stopped covering the Nets (full-time) a year ago. So he can put things in perspective better than most. He notes at season's end in 2010...
The Nets were resting in a 12-70 ditch; Rod Thorn was plotting his exit strategy; the coach’s office was vacant; they had grown used to playing in front of a yawning chorus of 2,000 people in East Rutherford; their most promising building block was a misfit named Terrence Williams; they were resting most of their summer hopes on John Wall and LeBron James; the Board of Governors had yet to approve of an ownership transfer; there were still condos on Pacific Street standing in the arena footprint in Flatbush, and most of us had long concluded that — oh, dear diary — the last spark of divinity had been extinguished forever.
Now, at least there is hope, starting with Deron Williams and his increasing investment in the team, as described by Billy King. Among the names the two may have spoken about is C.J. Miles who told Utah reporters he and Williams have spoken about playing together, but joked there's been "no recruiting". Jazz hold a $3.7 million team option on Miles.
- With Deron Williams on board, Nets trying to build a winner - Dave D'Alessandro - Star-Ledger
- Upon reflection, Avery Johnson pleased by Nets - Colin Stephenson - Star-Ledger
- Look back at the first year under the Nets' new regime - Al Iannazzone - The Nets Insider
- Avery Johnson says he’s pleased with Nets' season - Al Iannazzone - The Record
- Five Nets offseason questions - Mike Mazzeo - ESPN New York
- Nets Postseason Report Card - Mike Mazzeo - ESPN New York
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as long as travis gets the outlaw out of town
And sasha too
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
golden graham!
Lol. good one. i really laughed out loud
by pope of lofe on Apr 14, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
outlaw isn't going anywhere
how can we get rid of him? His contract is too long
love thy underdog
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Apr 14, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly
you’d prob have to include Outlaw b4 Hump. Hump is a FA & Outlaw is gonna be hard to move
If they can move Outlaw
Then yeah, they want to keep Hump
Farmar? Outlaw?
Players they’ll try to move?
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
i mean anybody with a clue knows this roster has to be gutted again for d-will's liking
1. d-will
2. lopez
3. morrow
4. james
5. hump
sasha, graham, gadzuric, west, and wright all can expire and fade away
uzoh will stay in d-league if they keep him. gaines likely will be a throw-in in a trade or just be inactive
farmar: useless with d-will here. rather have a rookie backup pg or a more consistent vet. plenty of teams without an all-nba point guard could use him
petro: a big, so moving him wont be that hard, likely would be dumped for a pick
outlaw: going to have to take a similiar contract back. but wouldnt mind josh childress, marvin williams, brendan haywood, drew gooden, greg oden, etc
and is there anyway cj miles can deny the team option? him and d-will are closer than perkins to the celtics. they both grew up in dallas and got drafted to the jazz the same year. whether it be this year or next year there will be a cj miles nets jersey. he lost brewer, korver, matthews, boozer, and was stuck with kirilenko
Kirilenko will not be here. d-will is not to fond of him but cj miles is his closest roaddog
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 14, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
i don't hate that starting 5 actually...
lotta youth, they all have a lot to prove
I miss the days when America was only morally bankrupt...
There are 8 players currently under contract for next season
Deron Williams
Brook Lopez
Anthony Morrow
Travis Outlaw
Jordan Farmar
Johan Petro
Damion James
Sundiata Gaines.
If we’re only keeping 5, that means 3 have to be shipped or bought out. Gaines could be bought out, and though he was impressive, that hip injury could have long term effects that make us buy him out.
Petro and Farmar are wild cards. Plenty have talked about shipping them out for another player. I think Farmar is still really valuable especially with Gaines injured/bought out and Uzoh not really being able to perform at half of Farmar’s level, so I see him staying. Petro could be successfully shopped, but probably for a Brandan Wright-type player, a young kid who hasn’t worked out yet.
Outlaw is going nowhere unless he’s packaged with someone. Typically you would ship him out for a bigger contract with fewer years, hoping the trade partner sees something in him. But seeing as how there’s nothing to see in him, and if we took a short but big contract, it would strain us for 2012, I just don’t see how we get rid of him.
by Anthony Perez on Apr 14, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
i would trade away james and petro.
if anyone takes outlaw, fine. But i dont mind outlaw staying…would like to give him one more shot.
@Al_Iannazzone: BREAKING NEWS: Nets are close to acquiring Deron WIlliams from Utah, sources told The Record.
-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.
don't you want to see D.James play
before we send him off?
I miss the days when America was only morally bankrupt...
yea as long as avery is kept out of the talks
Avery reminds me of one my friends. When we went out to the club. While everyone is point out the fine chicks. This guy is pointing at the fat ones.
Everyone listing players they like
Deron “dwight JR Smith”
King “wilson chandler AA and maybe shannon brown”
Avery " T. Young Caron butler and eddy curry"
Deron and king look at each other confused.
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 8:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
do you understand what's going on here?
Avery Johnson is viewed as the most critical player, other than Williams, on the Nets…PERIOD.
and you excited about that???
sorry anyone that felt outlaw and petro would be valuable assets to a rebuilding team doesn’t have an eye for talent.
PERIOD..
So we talking about building a playoff team and he is talking about T Young???
give me a break
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
To be fair
although Petro is a failure as well, he was never viewed as a “building block”. He’s a relatively cheap backup center who could probably be moved.
Outlaw was a collosal mistake, but Morrow was a fantastic bargain.
Morrow was great but he can't be our starting guard. I think we need someone
taller who can defend the taller guards.
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
too often we travis outlaw and graham were put into games
for defensive purposes hahahahahahahha
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
yep and his contract matches that
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Morrow could
Maybe do for the Nets what Kyle Korver did for the Bulls this year, same kind of role — sharpshooter off the bench, playing key minutes.
He learned to beg after dealing with Den. for 6 months
Life as a Net fan
Can it get any worse? There's always tomorrow.
Keepers
Keepers:
D-Will
Morrow
James
Hump
Lopez
Farmar
Everyone else can go.
I can’t wait for the playoffs to end!
Hopefully the NBA doesnt ruin the fun with a lockout, that would really hurt.
i think it was interesting they brought up
The nets wouldn’t invest too much money in to Hump because it was a one year thing. Which I totally agree with.
If someone else is willing to break the bank on Hump more power to u and get ur paper
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 9:02 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
yea I thought the same. I guess you really have to consider whether or not his play is a product of a contract year or not, which is entirely possible. Only other options are Davis and Z-Bo
by JerseysFinest. on Apr 14, 2011 9:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
if they want to look elsewhere Carl Landry would be good
When you have to shoot, shoot don't talk.
Which team is more likely to win the AFC east the Patriots or Jets?
The Bills? It's gonna be the JETS homes.-Trevor Price
Definition of EPIC FAIL
1. When something can be considered a total failure
2. The highest form of fail known to man.
3. A failure so abysmal it is epic in scale.
4. A mistake of such monumental proportions that it requires its own term in order to sucessfully point out the unfathomable shortcomings of an individual or group.
5. TRAVIS OUTLAW
by Andres B on Apr 14, 2011 9:18 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I await the day this summer
when news breaks that Deron has just bought a lovely new home in Bergen County.
I expect that a lot sooner
He has a house in Dallas and a house in Salt Lake. He and his wife have been house-hunting this week.
Do you know if his house in TX. or UT. is up for sale?
Life as a Net fan
Can it get any worse? There's always tomorrow.
the fact that he's house hunting in NJ
speaks volumes to me.
by MrDollarBills on Apr 14, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
my landlord is selling my house in Pine Brook
a quick 15 minute drive from the Rock, 25 minutes to the GWB. great location, great schools. maybe the williams family will see this post and stop by my house for a visit.
I miss the days when America was only morally bankrupt...
I posted this on the old thread - Just giving my PROS to NETSDAILY
This is my first post even though this is my favorite site on the net and I am a regular even though I just open this account about 2 weeks ago. I just wanted to say that I am very proud of being a net fan even though they have make me go through some pain in the last two years. I have laughed many times with you comments. I am a truly believer that this is the best blog on the net. I would like to thank Netincome because he does such a great job in making sure we are all informed. Let’s not take that for granted. I have not seen any other team with the coverage that we get for our nets and netincome is a bit part of that. I also want to give my pros to some of you guys (Elonepb, MrDollaBills, Jerry25, NETFAN, MrBDown, netsKING, ANDY, Gina, Killa kadafi191 and so many others I am forgetting to mention). You guys are terrific and really show your true color and passion. NOW ..
CAN SOMEBODY SLAP SLOWSSPEZ …. GOD I GET SO ANGRY SEEING THIS GUY!!! GRAB THAT REBOUND WITH TWO HANDS!!!!!!!!!!!
Welcome
this is the best site
Go NETS!!!
by Wall2KingJames on Apr 14, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Welcome Pip
This is the start of something very exciting. I feel like the Nets Nation will grow to 4 times its current size now within the next few years. This is the core of the Nation right here Loud and Proud!
Go NETS!!!
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
Haha, ESPN article
Baring a miracle, Outlaw is going to have to resurrect his fallen career in the Garden State — at least for the time being. Let the mock “MVP! MVP! MVP!” chants continue to rain down from the team’s “Loud and Proud” section in the rafters at the Prudential Center.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
by eLonepb on Apr 14, 2011 9:49 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
thank you elone
u know u guys might actually inspire this guy to be better
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Rec'd
Next season, Outlaw should be ridiculed to the point where he has to cry himself to sleep at night
maybe then he’ll earn that money
by MrDollarBills on Apr 14, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
eLonepb,
You are the MAN!!
Netsdaily needs to do something special for you.
I WILL be part of the Loud and Proud Crew, but I have to see if I can afford full or half season.
GREAT JOB, MAN!!!!
Official Member of the "DIDN'T WANT TO TRADE DERRICK FAVORS, BUT HAPPY WE GOT D. WILLIAMS" Movement
They did, they promoted the 2nd game in the main threads
Schubee was very responsive in helping me promote this. I’m supposed to talk to the Nets group today about some ideas for this next year.
My feeling is, people had a positive reaction to it, and now is the time to offer them the season package, as opposed to waiting the whole summer.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Im a half season ticket holder! Bit for th games I don’t have tixs to, I will def join the crew at the loud and proud section! We should try and do lower level seating to get more of the crowd into the game!!!
Nets all day!!!
by Rp15x on Apr 14, 2011 11:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If you're talking to them, I have a suggestion
I sent this to my Nets ticket rep and he responded about the 1st part saying that they physically can’t do it in the Rock, but probably in Brooklyn.
Still, push it again. Do they want D-Will to think they’re playing in a high school gym? Have Proky throw a couple hundred K to make D-Will’s first full season feel like it’s in a legit arena, especially if they want to keep him.
They need to seriously improve the in-game experience. Hell, I work for one of the largest marketing firms in the world and I’d be more than happy to freelance to help improve the in-game experience.
e-mail: aperez1222@gmail.com
I know it’s not your role there, but can you please pass along and make aware to the organization that fans really want an upgrade in the fan experience.
Right now it very much feels like a high-school exhibition game.
1. Dim the lights around the crowd. No elite arena leaves the lights on full blast. MSG, Boston, Staples Center. They all dim the lights. It sets a mood that “It’s game time,” and it focuses people on the game. There is a collective energy created by being part of this “dark mass” chanting and cheering. It also lowers the barrier for people who get self conscious about “being the loud one.” Guaranteed that with lower lights, there’s at least a 30% increase in crowd noise.
2. Create a crowd tradition. Look at OKC: stands until the team scores. Pittsburgh Steelers: terrible towels. There are TONS of suggestions on this post on this blog: http://www.netsdaily.com/2011/2/24/2014024/new-tradition-at-the-rock
by Anthony Perez on Apr 14, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe we can wear nooses around our necks that slowly get tighter and tighter
until the team wins the game?
I miss the days when America was only morally bankrupt...
i like the paper bag on head tradition
but i think the new tradition should be ridiculing outlaw till he actually learns how to play
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 14, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
i think the paper bags
were embarrassing to those who wore them. and it set this fan base back 10 years
I miss the days when America was only morally bankrupt...
Perez is right
We have to stop being the same old nets and change everything about what the nets did in the past, we need to change things up
by Wall2KingJames on Apr 14, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
" Oh yes, I see the light ! "
"The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven"
Some fans just go overboard
While on this site I am the first to admit that blasting anyone I don’t like associated with the Nets is an everyday occurrence but I don’t believe in ridiculing a player IN PUBLIC from a team I support. I understand that every fan at a game has the right to express their feelings in a respectable manor but I see no upside to abuse a player I should support. Who would not sign the contract that Outhouse did. It’s not his fault some idiot in the Nets FO gave it to him. It kind of offsets the people who work their butts off and don’t get fair compensation.
Life as a Net fan
Can it get any worse? There's always tomorrow.
Completely disagree
if a player is performing at a historically awful level, it is EXPECTED that diehard fans voice their displeasure.
For the 50th time, I will use Knick fans as a reference point: Coach underachieves: They boo. Team plays poorly: They boo, chant for MELO, chant MVP for Mozgov etc.
If Outlaw wants the mock MVP’s to stop raining down on his head, he should start resembling an NBA basketball player.
Agreed
But I’ll give him a fresh start next year, assuming he puts in the work this summer. I imagine everyone in the L&P will do the same.
We WANT him to succeed. But he’s not going to get off easy and laugh his way to the bank if he continues to play miserably.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Booing and abusing are to different stories.
If your boss just doubled your salary, guaranteed, unwarranted and you messed up, would you think it was acceptable to be abused by your coworkers?
A. it would not be right
B. you wouldn’t turn down the money.
Booing the performance is acceptable. Attacking him personally in public is for cowards and punks. Respect your fellow man.
Life as a Net fan
Can it get any worse? There's always tomorrow.
With Stephen Graham's talent level, we probably could be
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
by eLonepb on Apr 14, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
hahhahahaahha
seriously with avery coaching you know how many d league players are going to kill them self to play for the armor????
they will be like whoa i could actually start let alone play on a nba team
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Avery had nothing to work with
And there were so many injuries. I don’t blame Avery at all, he was given these chips.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
outlaw sorry I can never let that one die
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Who else was Avery going to play this year?
I really don’t understand your point. With the lack of talent and injuries, he had NO other options.
Ric Bucher reported that he's heard that Deron Williams and Dwight Howard have discussed playing together in the future. - Kevin Baumer
I know but most peoples job performace isn't judged by the public.
How about the person who has their salary made public and is abused by their customers? It’s just not right.
Life as a Net fan
Can it get any worse? There's always tomorrow.
And that gives you the right to abuse him. Good one.
Life as a Net fan
Can it get any worse? There's always tomorrow.
abuse
do you know the definition.
what tina turner went through was abuse.
what Joe did to Michael was abuse
this isn’t abuse
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Abuse?
Listen Travis,
I understand you’re upset about the MVP chants, but it was all in good fun.
This summer, maybe you can use those chants as motivation hit the gym, show up in shape, and be ready to turnaround you’re career.
Instead of worrying about the 24" rims on you’re escalade, worry about you’re jumpshot.
-Loud and Proud Section
by NetsKiNG on Apr 14, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
rec 100
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes it does
hes making money he doesn’t deserve. He knew if he didn’t live up to the contract something like this was goingto happen. So he just gets the money and live happily ever after? You know what happens if I Dnt earn my money I collect unemployment
So if your employer says your getting more than you deserve your turning it down?
Life as a Net fan
Can it get any worse? There's always tomorrow.
Teasing and sympathy is not attacking.
Life as a Net fan
Can it get any worse? There's always tomorrow.
If he really cares that we are attacking him
hell say screw the contract let’s negotiate and I’ll take what I deserve. He won’t because he couldn’t careless about us teasing him.
It doesn't make it right.
Life as a Net fan
Can it get any worse? There's always tomorrow.
outlaw should be thankful he doesnt play for the knicks because it would be alot worst then what we nets fans do
by Wall2KingJames on Apr 14, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly...
If he played for the Knicks he’d get booed everywhere. LOL. Parking lot, gas station, Supermarket Church…lol.
He better be glad its only at the rock. And he has a year to get it together one way or another. Play better improve his value enough to warrant a trade or play well enough to satisfy the die-hards and new Brooklyn fans…
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
He chose this life to perform in the public
Same with any celebrity. It’s why there are circumstances for “defamation of character” that celebrities can’t use because they chose to live in the public eye.
Outlaw could’ve just failed everyday as a mechanic. Nobody would boo or MVP him then.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
i think someone (avery) got into his head early this year...
telling him things like, " you are the MAN on this team," and “you’re going to have to put this team on your back when we can’t score”
outlaw just isn’t that type of player. whenever i watch him play, it looks like the court is covered in mud wherever he runs. is it possible that he is still overly cautious from the last time he was injured?
I miss the days when America was only morally bankrupt...
yea avery gave him the green light and the green paper
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
And Avery benched him
Was playing rookies and D-Leaguers ahead of him. I get that Avery messed up with that, but this team didn’t have any other players so Avery was left with not much.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
I get that but this could have been avoided
I mean the signs were all there. Avery saw something that wasn’t there. which makes me question him.
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
would you prefer Outlaw playing 38 minutes a game?
I miss the days when America was only morally bankrupt...
We aren't "attacking" him
Good lord man. This is a professional sport. If you don’t think that die hards for every single professional team in the world have fans that are yelling at their underachieving players, then I’m not sure you follow sports that closely.
How about when AJ Burnett, the guy the Yankees are paying a huge salary to, isn’t living up to it? They BOO him loudly when he walks off the mound. They let him know his performance isn’t up to far.
Sorry, but boo’ing and MVP chants are nearly one in the same. It’s letting them know they need to be better to be accepted.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
by eLonepb on Apr 14, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Please
cowards and punks? For chanting MVP at a guy who has underperformed? It’s the same as boo’ing him off the floor.
We never chanted anything towards him personally.
If you’re so bent out of shape about a few MVP chants, how about you buy a ticket like the rest of us and actually show up to make YOUR voice heard.
exactly
people will defend anyone. some people here would think bin laden isn’t that bad if he was a nets fan
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
All of you "Loud and Proud"
who bought 2 tickets need to relax. Stop acting like you are the know it all fans and only your opinion matters. I hear the phrase die hard fan thrown all over this board. JOKE. The arena is empty every game, unless other teams fan bases fill it up. Those are die hard fans. How many of you went to MSG or Philly to watch the Nets? How many of you actually have season tickets, half or full? Those are die hard fans. I am not saying there are not passionate fans out there, but don’t mix the two.
Ric Bucher reported that he's heard that Deron Williams and Dwight Howard have discussed playing together in the future. - Kevin Baumer
I went to Philly and both games at MSG
And I got the L&P section going. So what’s your point?
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
I think the Loud and Proud
section is a great idea. I enjoyed hearing light chants throughout the game. Point is, I’m not a huge fan of certain people who think they are die hard fans or have more credible opinions bc they went to a few games…I never pointed out you or any one person.
Ric Bucher reported that he's heard that Deron Williams and Dwight Howard have discussed playing together in the future. - Kevin Baumer
I went to 12 games this season
Some sucked, some were awesome.
by Anthony Perez on Apr 14, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, like Phillies fans and JD Drew....
throwing D-Cell batteries at a guy is totally cool if:
- you feel that he is under-achieving
- you’re a complete maniac
- you put other fans to shame in the contest of “what city would you like to play for the least?”
I miss the days when America was only morally bankrupt...
Completely agree
the player most should have been blasted and booed was TWill, but he was the darling of the potential over performance and professionalism set.
It’s childish.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
twill is not in a nets uniform stinking it up and making mistakes. if he was heck yea. since he is houston problem until they trade him he no longer matters.
as for outlaw and his horrible play yea he deserves to be boo and avery for giving the guy starting money only to have him back on the bench saying that’s where he is comfortable.
No Outlaw Sherlock . You just figured that out
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
TWill is a BUM
but people here refused to accept that…always believed in him, even when he proved repeatedly that he was a jerk, missed practices, missed buses, missed a plane and other things.
Outlaw had a bad season in a meaningless year. That’s it. And yet, he is blamed for the season’s problems, along with Graham, who is a hard working vets minimum player who Larry Brown loved as much in Charlotte as Johnson loved here.
Majority here think TWill is a bum
You shouldn’t collect the minority opinion and generalize it for the masses.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
outlaw isn't a bum??? Yi wasn't a bum???
come on now. Oh the season was meaningless?? when was this decided.
did they tell the fans who purchased season tickets that.
wow meaningless season if that was the case why was outlaw even signed why not get a vet mim guy .
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
larry brown is unemployed.
and he is NOTORIOUS for loving “his guys,” almost to a fault.
its a question of accountability, and most fans (here) need that blame to fall on someone’s shoulders.
I miss the days when America was only morally bankrupt...
I mean, Larry Brown can get a job whenever he wants, and is a champion at a couple of different levels…
I don’t think he is “notorious” for that, he just needs guys who will buy into his system, like any other good coach.
no, he is. its well documented and generally understood
and he got fired from the bobcats. really?
not taking away from his accomplishments, because he was a great coach, but you justify the defense of stephen graham because Larry Brown liked him at one point in time? sorry, not enough to sell me.
I miss the days when America was only morally bankrupt...
Wow! Fired from the Bobcats…and the Knicks actually. Collins has also been fired numerous times and he is one the best minds in basketball. Getting fired as a coach happens to almost everyone (except the guys who leave before they are fired).
I don’t justify the defense in Graham b/c Larry Brown liked him. I was defending Larry Brown.
Also, Graham is a 12th man…why is anyone talking about him?
but brown has a bad rep for playing his "guys" and holding people back
with as much knowledge and pedigree he has, brown should not be a journeyman coach but he is one of if not the most strict coach of present day
he fails to adjust his coaching to his talent and holds some people back like felton, augustin, henderson.
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 14, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s true. He may have ruined Darko’s career. He isn’t there to play young guys and improve slowly, he is there to win.
Also, Henderson looks awesome.
i think he protected darko.
that team won a Chip with the #2 overall pick riding the pine. brown made his decisions and stuck to them regarding personnel, but there had to be a reason in the first place.
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Brown plays the guys he thinks will help him win, end of story. He is a strict coach who covets good defensive play, because after being around basketball for something (I may be exaggerating) like 10000 years he has learned that D wins championships and you need committed players who try the hardest.
hahahahaha
you are so funny. So the best thing you can do to defend Outlaw, a useless BUM who is in his 7th year in the league and wildly overpay, is bash a guy who just played 20 games in his second year. Whatever.
But yeah Yi is gonna be great and people are “silly” for giving up on Outlaw, who has been around for a long time now and looks hopless, and whose work ethic AVERY himself has criticized. PUBLICLY.
Get over yourself.
How can you defend Outlaw?
What does he bring to the team?
Is he a good offensive player? Is he a good shooter? A good rebounder? A good playmaker? A good defender? This is a guy Avery has said he has to push to work on hios shooting and conditioning. And he’s stealing 7 million dollar a year from the Nets.
Ok so how about instead
We chant:
M-L-E!
M-L-E!
M-L-E!
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Now there is an idea except that is overpaying for a guy shooting 35% FG
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crazy idea....
how about we boo the OTHER TEAM?!?
playing “away games in Newark” is bad enough for this team, then we have our “fans” section, the self-proclaimed, die hard fan base of the team, helping contribute to the idea that this team does not have a homecourt to play on.
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by Chakroot on Apr 14, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the way outlaw plays and help out the other team
sometimes I feel he is playing against the nets along with the guys in their road color jerseys
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by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL @ This
Yes, focus on the few mock MVP chants we gave to Travis Outlaw instead of the overwhelming raucus support we gave the Nets over the course of 2 MEANINGLESS games.
PLEASE.
Timberwolves and Bobcats
If we can excuse Outlaw’s play in a “meaningless season”, we can excuse the Nets fans who mocked his miserable play during two “meaningless games”.
All is fair.
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what got written about in the NATIONAL PRESS...
congrats, the players you like had their ego and confidence slightly boosted in meaningless games down the stretch…
meanwhile, the struggling players get heckled by the fans section (NJ fans, way to play into the stereotype). Outlaw is probably telling us to go Graham yourself.
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+1
Well put.
I think people frequently confuse athleticism with skills…or something like that. And part of the necessary skill set is professionalism.
Why blame outlaw? His career stats and this years stats are pretty identical. They got what they paid for. His shooting percentage dropped, but that’s about it.
But, I am thinking that we have seen Humps last game. There is no way that they will sign him to the ten mil that he will want. That would set them back. Unless he comes in at 6 or 7, they would be foolish to commit money long term. Yes, he had a great year, but is he the power forward of the future? Do you want to lose all your cap flexibility on one year???? I love the guy and love his hustle, but I don’t see him as a starter.
I don't think ANYONE will sign him to 10 mil
It’s one thing if he’s produced this over the last 2-3 years, but he did it in a contract year. That raises a red flag for most teams, and to add to that, he’s undersized.
He’s a workhorse but I still think he’s a backup PF who gives you EVERYTHING you need off the bench.
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by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Loud and Proud noticed everywhere
From ESPN about Outlaw:
Let the mock “MVP! MVP! MVP!” chants continue to rain down from the team’s “Loud and Proud” section in the rafters at the Prudential Center.
Yup, posted that above
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Talent will only get you so far
Someone needs to pump this guy with steroids, not for the strength, but for the aggression.
From ESPN:
Lopez needs to be more aggressive. He needs to develop a killer instinct. He’s shown signs of it, but now that he’s entering his fourth NBA season, it’s time for Lopez to become the all-star everyone believes he can be. He’s too talented not to be. Lopez will have the entire offseason to get healthy, get stronger and become a dominant force in the paint.
yeah 20 points a game as a 22 year old is disappointing
So is nearly 250 consecutive games for a center.
TRY to put things in perspective.
they are looking at the 20 points and rebs
even the chi announcers said he isn’t the same player saying he regressed,
saying he is soft and needs to go hard.
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by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
EVERYBODY said he regressed NI
EVERYBODY.
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by eLonepb on Apr 14, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
exactly
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by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Assists down, rebounds down, blocks down, FG% down, FT% down
But 2 ppg improvement.
Sorry, in a season where Lopez was looked at to be one of the top 3 centers in the ENTIRE NBA, he regressed.
Hey, blame the mono. I don’t care. Fact is, he needs improvement over the summer.
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by eLonepb on Apr 14, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I think he needs to improve in some areas, but he hasn’t regressed. I think he is one of the best 3 centers in the league right now, and is undeniably one of the best scoring big men in the league.
I don’t care about PPG, and I don’t care that his rebounds went down either. I watched the games, and I know that he boxed guys out and helped Hump get some, I know he slipped and went for the break because Avery told him to.
And bent down to pickup his shoe in the middle of the most important offensive possession
And the ball bounces off his back. THAT summarized Lopez’s season right there. Had an absolutely dominant game, but his mental fragility was clear.
Lopez had a great scoring season, but everything else was disappointing for most fans who were really looking to see growth.
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by eLonepb on Apr 14, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ah yes, old mentally fragile Lopez, who deals with pain every day to play in every single game and still try to play for the US over the summer.
Oh, and let’s not forget that in 1000’s of minutes this year he made a stupid mental mistake in a meaningless game!
Yes, he was SO disappointing playing in a completely new system with new players, and then having everything change mid-way through the season. He keeps scoring, he plays every game, he is always trying to get better, but yeah, no growth.
Mental mistakes all season long
Lopez was the brightest spot this year for the Nets, no question. But the fans anticipate great things out of him, and he fell short this year.
The disappointment is deserved, and it was echo’d by Avery all season long.
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More like Avery setting him up to fail, and then blaming him.
“Lopez, go run up the court, Hump will grab the rebound, then I’ll bash you for not getting enough rebounds”
Everyone knows like 5 or 6 boards a game that Dwight Howard gets or Kevin Love gets are just team rebounds that everyone knows are supposed to go to them. The same thing happened with Hump (and Hump stole some from Brook too)
I can’t think of mental mistakes all season long, but maybe you can name some, and even then, he makes mental mistakes on a team that didn’t go to the playoffs, in games that never mattered. Avery wanted Lopez to be Dirk, IDC, Lopez is Lopez and is one of the best 20 players in the league and is 23. Be disappointed in the FO, or Outlaw, or Petro, IDC, but Lopez?
So what is your excuse now that Hump is gone?
what is your excuse when Lopez watches rebounds instead of going after them? He does this every game all game.
Do you know how DIFFICULT it is for a 7 footer to only grab 2 rebounds?
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Are you 7 feet?
Have you played in the NBA? I’m sorry, I DON’T know how difficult it is, but I guess you do?
Do you know what basketball is? Do you know what a system is? Brook has grabbed 8 rebounds a year before, but now he lost the knack? OR OR OR maybe the team required different things from him. If you wanna talk about what happened in the last 3 games of the year, and blame Lopez for not getting rebounds, fine. That’s great. That same thinking is what had everyone excited over Terrence Williams or Andre Blatche (Mr. late April) Lopez isn’t a dominant rebounder, I get it, but he IS one of the best scoring big men in the league and he NEVER misses a game! That is SO important!
Yes I played NCAA basketball
So I do understand plays, systems, and how to box out and rebound. I also know about players who just aren’t mentally checked in, or fail to go hard on every possession.
Look, Brook is a great scorer, and maybe that’s all he’ll be. But people expected All-Star caliber performances and we didn’t get them. Maybe we’re overexpected and we all just need to accept him for his many flaws but elite scoring capability.
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I was being facetious, I know you know basketball…but you aren’t 7 feet (I’m assuming).
I know basketball too, I have watched Brook box out well for 3 years, and he plays hard. He really can be an all-star, and a piece on a winning team, he can be Pau Gasol…If he was on the Celtics right now people would love him. The team hasn’t been built correctly around him. I think we honestly feel the same way about him, but I’m optimistic and you seem disappointed.
I was optimistic to start the season
But I’m very disappointed in his mental fragility. He shows poor leadership, little desire to grab rebounds, and not much defensively.
Like you said, this might be all that he is. And in that case, we need to stop the All Star discussions. He’s just a very very elite scoring center who offers very little else, but has never been injured.
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He CAN be an all-star.
He will never beat Dwight Howard, but he can be an all-star. His system continues to change, and if you played basketball like I did, you know that sucks. Older players are usually better defenders because after seeing something 1000 times you start to realize, “oh, he’s gonna pass it here after the pick” or something like that.
I don’t know if he is a leader at all, but good thing we have Deron, he is the unequivocal leader of this team. And Lopez can rebound…he grabbed 8 his rookie year, he may not be a dominant rebounder but he can. Also, he can score in the clutch, and he doesn’t miss games. We have something special brewing with him.
More reps in Avery’s system, better defenders on the wings, and well see.
come on sadnetsfan
that’s excuses. Lopez scores 20 points a game.
okay so does nick young.
you want your center to be able to rebound and defend the paint.
when your 7 foot center plays like a 6’6 guard that is a huge problem
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by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I want my center to be Kendrick Perkins. I grew up thinking centers play defense, and rebound, and that’s it. But this is a new league. If we have dominant defensive SF and Sgs, Deron, Hump, and Lopez we can contend. I know that’s not what we want, but Pau Gasol has won championships, Brook Lopez can too.
+1
Agree with eLone that Lopez needs to improve—basically on D and boards.
At least that’s the case if the expectation is for him to be the 2nd-best player on a championship team
If we somehow get a killer scorer on the wing and keep Lopez, then maybe he can be the one-dimensional offensive guy he is…but still need someone to help Hump to patrol the paint and boards.
lopez is great
but that’s not to say he doesn’t have areas that require his immediate attention and general improvement for next season
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rec
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by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
except the great part
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by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
no he is a GREAT offensive big man
second to none in this league, at the center.
Off topic, i’ve been forced to turn my cable box off during commercials because that douche bag Optimum Guy is rocking Knicks gear and talking about melo amare and chauncey.
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As much of a homer as you are, and we all are
You absolutely cannot be satisfied with Brook’s mental level or aggression. He’s an incredibly gifted scorer and made great strides into becoming a solid post scorer.
That said, he just bullied around by bigger guys, has a very soft overall demeanor, and is incapable of grabbing rebounds because he doesn’t actually try to.
He also does not lead his team. He doesn’t yell at his players to wake up, or get him the ball, or show true leadership even through his play.
Brook is what he is. And yes, it’s wonderful that he hasn’t been injured but part of that is probably because he doesn’t throw himself into the mess and battle tirelessly for rebounds and defensive stops.
He’s got a summer to improve on these things.
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I absolutely can be
I put things in PERSPECTIVE.
Kid has played with teams that have won 34, 12 and 24 games and yet shows professionalism all the time. He doesn’t bemoan being here. He doesn’t want out. He wants to stay for the duration. He has a right to complain but doesn’t. He blames himself, not his teammates.
PERSPECTIVE is lost here. As noted, how many 22 years old seven footers have averaged 20 points a game and played in 246 straight games. Answer; ONE.
If he was playing with a contender, with real wings, he would be a much better player.
But instead, fans focus his failings. He WILL be a max player, whatever that max is. I hope it’s here.
by Net Income on Apr 14, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
+1
Yup.
I don’t know what people expected out of Lopez when we got him with the 10th pick in the draft, but he CAN be a dominant scorer. We haven’t even seen him play with competent supporting pieces yet…
OK, go get upset that he isn’t one of the best players in the league, and can’t carry a team by himself, or, realize that he did get 8 rebounds a game before in his career, and maybe the system demanded more scoring, and less rebounding. What is going on? Brook Lopez has played in almost 300 consecutive games, he is not soft.
I love when someone makes sense
and actually points out the positives. Refreshing.
Ric Bucher reported that he's heard that Deron Williams and Dwight Howard have discussed playing together in the future. - Kevin Baumer
Yes, all of that is great
But to try and say he doesn’t need major improvements is ridiculous.
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It isn’t ridiculous! He is learning a new system. He has to improve his defense, but the only reason he needs “major improvement” is because of the team he is on. If he was on Miami, no one would be saying anything. If he was traded instead of Pau to the Lakers, no one would be saying anything.
I want Brook to get better, stronger, and play better D, but it is the TEAM around him that needs serious improvement, and it should be tailored to fit his and Deron’s playing style.
he does not need MAJOR improvements
He averaged 30 points a game to close out the season, took on greater responsibilities.
The team needs MAJOR improvements and that alone would make him a much better player. No more double and triple teaming.
He needs to improve. He is barely 23. There will be a couple of players in THIS draft older than he is. His streak of 246 games is now the third or fourth longest in the NBA and I believe the longest by a big man. That is NEVER part of discussions.
by Net Income on Apr 14, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
rec’d NI
I dont understand why nets fans always criticize Lopez. People dontt realize how lucky we are to have him.
He has been my favorite Net ever since we drafted him.
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I agree the team needs MAJOR improvements
There is absolutely no argument there. But he has GOT to get himself mentally into games, he HAS to learn he is a leader and act like one, and he has GOT to crash boards and learn to box out.
He was getting abused on the boards last night by the oldest player in the NBA. Then got his shot blocked by it. He tried a silly layup against the Nuggets instead of dunking it. He’s gotten reamed by his coach for playing soft. He bends down to pick up a shoe in the most important possession. He tries to walk off the court against Detroit before the game is over with a big pout on his face.
Sorry, the guy needs big improvements. I expect him to get them over the summer and no more mono excuses. This is also Avery’s job, so if he can’t make it happen, then blame falls there too.
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by eLonepb on Apr 14, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The games will matter more when he's more mentally into the game
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Nope.
The games will matter more when we are in a playoff hunt, when we have pieces that can win consistently. This isn’t chicken or the egg, Lopez could have been completely into every game (and I for one think he was) and it still would not have mattered, and you know it.
Substitute Dwight for Lopez at the beginning of this year
We’re in the playoffs.
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Yeah…the difference between Dwight and Brook isn’t “being more mentally into the game”
Dwight Howard is an MVP. The best defender in the NBA, and an athletic freak.
Brook Lopez was passed over in the lottery because they thought he didn’t have a high ceiling because of his athleticism…
Dwight Howard on Cleveland is a playoff team.
Dwight Howard and the Mad Ants are a playoff team.
He is maybe the most dominant player in the NBA.
he could be better
and you can’t rely on him to win big games down the stretch. its a huge part of the game that people fail to realize. a good team puts you in position to win big games, but its that great player that actually does win the game for you. dwight has never shown this ability. he’ll always be a complementary piece
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He's never had a Graham
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great
i make a point, and you joke about about graham. glad to know we’re getting somewhere here
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Robert Horry won teams championships, as did Steve Kerr.
You just need to get lucky, play good D, and hope the shots fall. Kobe is actually not so great in the clutch, but highlights are fun.
Dwight Howard can be better, but that can be said about literally anyone in anything ever.
my point exactly
people come here and scream “brook needs to be better at basketball!”
its not new, clever or even worth reading.
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by Chakroot on Apr 14, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And still Dwight has his faults
Silly stupid technicals, inconsistent jumpshot, very suspect free throw shooting.
Love to think the Magic are trash without him. Jameer Nelson, Jason Richardson, JJ Reddick, Brandon Bass, Ryan Anderson, Quentin Richardson, Hedo Turk???
If you put Brook on this team they make the playoffs. Those guys defend the peremiter, penetrate the paint and make open jumpers.
Brook would look much better if his teamates did these things.
And about this stupid shoe thing. HOW ARE YOU BENDING DOWN TO GET YOUR SHOE WHEN YOU ARE GETTING UP OFF THE FLOOR???? HE NEVER FULLY STOOD UP THEN BENT DOWN. HE WAS KNOCKED TO THE FLOOR AND TRIED PUTTING HIS SHOE BACK ON WHILE GETTING UP. Not easy at 7’2 165.
But much easier and funnier to say something else happened then to really consider what did happen.
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+1
One of the best scoring big men in the league, seems like one of the “good guys” and never misses a game. His system has changed almost every year he has been in the league…
on a team who just dealth with T-Will...
you figure a guy like brook would be a breathe of fresh air.
people don’t seem to understand that just because the Nets aren’t putting the Eastern Conference All-Star team on the court every night, it doesn’t mean that these players aren’t great contributors for this team.
DWIGHT HOWARD needs to improve his game. take that.
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He absolutely does
And yet, he’s an MVP candidate.
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so if a guy isn't an MVP
then he isn’t good enough to play for the Nets. got it.
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he hasn't regressed
but he can’t make a free throw or a jump shot. he has trouble staying on the court (fouls and techs) and he still doesn’t take over games the way he SHOULD.
the point is this: whenever you compare a Nets player to the most dominant player in that given position, you’re going to be disappointed. i don’t see the value in stomping around the room yelling, “I AM DISAPPOINTED”
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I am disappointed because he regressed
Ot because he’s not Dwight. It’s because he’s not even last years brook.
i forgot who said it but some analyst said Dwight offensive improvement was the best he ever seen…. Ever.
Because we are disappointed?
And this is a forum in which we can vent these frustrations?
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disappointment is a function of unrealistic expectations.
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Ok so then let's stop the All Star potential
He’s just going to be an elite scoring center who doesn’t do much else.
A championship piece, but not a championship cornerstone.
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i don't want to beat a dead horse here, but here i go...
He’s just going to be an elite scoring center who doesn’t do much else.
this is enough for me. “just” an elite scoring center is something 28 other teams covet.
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Hopefully Orlando
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Lopez is my favorite also.
But come on…Dwight Howard.
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you got your hands all over me!
the least you can do is buy me dinner!
(i kill the other balls with that one)
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love is a basketball in chains, brother
that’s what freed the fish
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we don't need him..... IF
deron continues to play at an All-NBA level and brook gets better (on both sides of the ball). two things which i anticipate happening…
the supporting cast and starting wings can hopefully compensate for the rest of our gaps. i think tearing down the team to get dwight in 14 months will only yield another “lost season” wherein no one cares
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Yes apparently there is a shortage....
There were only enough athletic capable wing players to go around for 29 teams. We were the odd team out.
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@ Net Income
It’s not about what he does, it’s about what he can’t do…defend.
As a person he appears to be a great guy. As a player he can score and is durable BUT to win your center has to defend. Better wings aren’t going to make him defend better imo.
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i love how we go from 12 to 24 wins
and we suddenly know the secret to success in this league. there are two teams in the EAST that play 3 on 5 every night and made the playoffs (NYK, MIA). brook does everything in his skill set to help us win games. there in only a handful of players in this league that qualify as both well-rounded and great.
brook scores the ball. that is HIS ROLE on THIS TEAM. other guys fill other roles. when those other guys are injurred or pulling a houdini, you can’t blame brook for not also filling those guys’ roles as well.
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Defense wins
The center is the anchor of the D. Thats his most important ROLE. Perkins role was to defend. Boston loses him and they’re not the same. Bynum’s ROLE is to defend LA loses him and they’re not the same. It doesn’t matter what else they do or who they play with, THE CENTER MUST DEFEND. NYK and Mia are not winning without a center who can defend unless noone has one and LeBron and Bosh become the best defensive front court.
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boston didn't have the guy all season!!!!
stop with kendrick perkins. he’s a reputation. he’s an aura in the celtics locker room.
bynum and gasol are notoriously soft on defense, and it requires both of them playing well to say “LA has a solid defensive front court”
defense wins championships, yes, i agree. but why forfeit regular season wins and a chance at making the playoffs when there is no guarantee this team is even going to threaten the eastern conference?
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Thibidau says Perkins is the "best post defender in the NBA"
Doesn’t sound like a reputation or aura to me. Just because they’re not the same doesn’t mean they’re not good without him. KG and Pierce aren’t chopped liver. And a healthy Shaq is enough for a title run imo. Bynum is not “soft” on D.
“forfeit regular season wins " ??
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bynum can't attempt to box out without his knees exploding.
perkins is completely one-dimensional, a black hole on offense, and has a new however relevant injury history. the celtics…. the CELTICS said no thanks to this guy. no, you’re right. the team that starts 4 HoFers, and has more titles hanging in their arena than half the league combined, THEY screwed up.
“forfeiting wins” was a weak attempt at the line, “cutting off your nose to spite your face”
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Thats my point.
Perkins one dimention (defense) is more important to winning as a center than a scorer who plays everyday and wins 30% of the time because he can’t defend.
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really reaching here...
look at brook’s supporting cast.
then realize that perkins was the supporting cast to 3 HoFers and possibly a fourth in Rondo.
this is insane to me. we’re finding fault in brook lopez when comparing him to arguably the best TEAM ever assembled.
I miss the days when America was only morally bankrupt...
So I guess Ron Artest and Kevin Garnett were dependant on Center play??
And Kobe, Pierce and Ray Allen can’t defend the wings at all.
Neither of the teams you mentioned asked their center to be their lead scorer.
Dwight for ALLL his MUCHness is not getting the ball in the post with 30 seconds left in a close game. That is not his strength so they don’t go there.
BROOK LOPEZ plays like BROOK LOPEZ. Live with it!
Dwight Howard on Brook Lopez
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6q7eXfM9Wk
Well at least Dwight thinks Brook is great even if Nets fans don’t
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
BTW
12 to 24 wins is the difference between Yi last year and Hump this year imo
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Can it get any worse? There's always tomorrow.
And Avery
I thought he was working with slightly better talent this year, but not by a whole lot.
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"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
maybe more talent
but injuries killed us this season
I miss the days when America was only morally bankrupt...
Yeah that's what I've been saying
We had more talent, but with all the injuries it felt like we never had a completely healthy team, and thus, we were working a team only slightly better than last year.
I like Avery.
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+1
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kevin durant could lead the league in scoring for the next decade
but OKC is not ranked in the top 5 in defense and blocked shots because of Durant.
I miss the days when America was only morally bankrupt...
This seems like a false choice
People are saying Lopez is very good AND needs to improve. I’m hearing your position as those two ideas being incompatible.
Aside from the “Blopez sux” stuff you can find in game threads, which are primarily emotional outbursts of frustration at the moment, I don’t think there are many people who actually think Lopez is bad.
I think we’re saying he needs to improve in the expectation is that he’ll be the 2nd-best player on a championship team. If you get a great wing and some more enforcement at the 4 and backup center, maybe he can stay the softie on defense and boards that he has been.
no, YOU are in the minority
you think this thread reflects the majority of Nets fans’ feelings???
I see every day which pieces get the most viewership. They are not the ones with the most comments.
Lopes was disappointing
all EXCUSES aside he didnt rebound better, no sign of defense , made SILLY plays and still looks very soft. We like Lopez but let’s be real this seasonwas disappointing
We were a 12-70 team hoping like heck that Favors would progress faster than we were told, and maybe Hump would decline his option.
We ended up getting Deron Williams.
Brook Lopez has played in 300 consecutive games, and is one of the best scoring big men in the league. He made silly plays, I’ve seen LeBron get hit in the face with the ball not paying attention. I’ve seen Dwayne Wade blow dunks.
Brook Lopez is a piece on a winning team, it just has to be built around him.
what are you talking about?
its LOPEZ and this season was far from dissapointing. He’s ayoung center still learning. i think anyone who watched Nets games this season can see that a full season wit Dwill, Lopez will def. be a beast.
Yes, hes made some bad decisions. Yes he can rebound more, but he’s 23 and after the dwill trade, he showed alot of promise.
watch the games and stop reading comments before u make judgement
by brooklynGRIDDY on Apr 14, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Problem is
The rebounding concerns were brought up very early in the season, and he never improved. I think that’s the disappointment from most people.
He should’ve gotten better under Avery. So either it’s Brook or it’s Avery.
I think it’s Brook right now, he just needs to go to Training Camp for NBA Centers or something.
…but he could teach the offensive course there.
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but at the end of the day
he’s still young. like i said, i full season with deron williams will change things. and besides, how many rebounds can he grab with Hump taking everything? lol… not that its a bad thing but im saying lol
by brooklynGRIDDY on Apr 14, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Let me rephrase LOpez this season was disappointing
Deron is not going to help this guy on defense lope has to want it
lets see take away his 2 ppg improvement
and everything else is down offensively and defensively. shot attempts in the paint decreased; increased from the perimeter. still a sieve defensively
right now lopez looks like a mix of eddy curry and andrea bargnani……not a good look. i mean besides dwight howard the only true center in the east that could get significant all-star votes is andrew bogut and joakim noah…but they arent flashy enough so they consider al horford a center
i guarantee if lopez stays the course then other centers like javale mcgee, roy hibbert, along with noah and bogut will eclispe lopez overall in the next 2-5 years
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Apr 15, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Important Quote from Dave D's article
There’s nothing unique about this, of course. King already has a perfect sounding board in the objective and savvy Bobby Marks (assistant GM), but D-Will’s influence is worth noting because, as King says, "he is very interested in every plan we’re putting in place."
Important to remember this
The mandate for the 2010-11 season was to acquire a franchise player, grow the young guys, and have a bankroll of $18 million-$21 million for each of the next two summers, as they do now.
For lack of a more thoughtful homily, we offer this: Mission accomplished.
by Anthony Perez on Apr 14, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
that SHOULD be the focus of comments
but instead, as usual, we have a group of posters who will use any thread at all to blame everything on Outlaw, making childish jokes about his name, blame Graham for not being as good as he should be, blame Vujacic for his headband.
There is so little perspective (and increasingly so little maturity) that is difficult to deal with.
Pretty sure that was the second comment on this thread
You have an odd way of looking at the fan base on here.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Those who shout the loudest
end up “representing” the majority in the minds of others.
how involved in personnel was D.Will in Utah?
not that it makes a difference now, but i am just wondering. while i think we HAVE to, giving a player the keys to the franchise is a slippery slope. cleveland let lebron drive…. them into a ditch filled with radioactive cobras.
I miss the days when America was only morally bankrupt...
CJ Miles?!?
No way Utah doesnt pick up his option.
WOULD LOVE HIM AT THE 2
@Al_Iannazzone: BREAKING NEWS: Nets are close to acquiring Deron WIlliams from Utah, sources told The Record.
-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.
Hmmmmm
that SHOULD be the focus of comments
but instead, as usual, we have a group of posters who will use any thread at all to blame everything on Outlaw, making childish jokes about his name, blame Graham for not being as good as he should be, blame Vujacic for his headband.
There is so little perspective (and increasingly so little maturity) that is difficult to deal with.
by Net Income on Apr 14, 2011 7:59 AM
We had a LARGE group of people that roared for the Nets the entire game, showed up to MEANINGLESS games, chanted DERON, RE-SIGN HUMP, cheered when Outlaw made shots, cheered for Vujacic, roared for Petro, and supported the team for every single minute of the game, despite how little it really mattered.
So that said, here you go:
Loud and Proud section, THAT should be the focus of comments about chanting
but instead, as usual, we have a group of posters who will use any thread at all to support Outlaw and his MLE contract, make wild accusations about our intentions to hurt him with our chants, support Graham despite having the worst PER of any player in the NBA, and say Vujacic is great because he won a ring and has a hot wife.
There is so little perspective (and increasingly so little maturity) that is difficult to deal with.
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by eLonepb on Apr 14, 2011 11:12 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
well the problem is we don't feel Lopez is perfect
and outlaw is a mvp type player
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
wait CDR is a thug and Twill is a bum
outlaw and petro are all stars
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
PG Plannic
SG: Sasha
SF Outlaw
PF Yi
C Lopez
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Funny and insulting to put Lopez there with the other jokes
Sad part is that’s what th dude has been given to run with and then he gets bashed because he is not Wilt Chamberlain or Kareem.
Like I have said before maybe Jason Collins, Josh Boone Sean Williams are better options at center(in your opinion)
But its really sad. But hey you feel like you feel and I feel like I feel.
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
Problem here
people want to get upset over the loud and proud booing outlaw or poking fun at him. How about Outlaw actually preform and they will cheer instead of boo.
I’m suppose to feel sorry for him??? Also Lopez did regress. Here is a guy everyone was saying was an all star center and is one of the best centers in the league and he actually played more like a guard this season.
Seriously I am not impressed with Brook this season and people saying they want him to be a max player on this team?? Ummmm Pau Gasol anyone?? Brook isn’t a center piece.
Brook became a 7 footer averaging 20 points a game. Yayyyyy. Andrea Bargnani average 21 and 5 yet the raptors have finally figured out this guy is not a main piece type of guy.
brook needs to improve simple and plain.
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 11:26 AM EDT reply actions
wow. people must really hate brooks hair… or the fact that he likes comics and disney. lol
people are so hard on him.
i must be blind …. i dont think lopez deserves any blame….none.
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-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.
i read comics and play basketball i actually
like lopez but on the court I didn’t like what I saw this year. No
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 11:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
not the best but not the worse.
give it time. hopefully avery and lopez will get it right.
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-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.
I said this over and over again I like Lopez I want him here
but he is horrible on defense. Hes really horrible maybe that’s just my opinion nut wow he’s horrible.
We cheered Outlaw, Vujacic, and Petro
We chanted DE-FENSE on every single possession. We cheered every play, every stop, and cheered every rebound.
The fact that people would have the nerve to find a fault in that passion for the team is hilarious to me.
Of course it usually is coming from people who did not bother to participate.
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by eLonepb on Apr 14, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Out of all the nonsense that people spew on this site, the BEST thing that ever happened was L&P.
No matter what we argue or whatever, we don’t affect the Nets even in the slightest.
“Oh, maybe they read the blog and make GM decisions, durr”
No. The only people to do anything positive to affect the Nets were those who went to the L&P games and gave Nets fans a little bit of a better name. That really is amazing what you guys did.
@ killa
Lopez didn’t regress. He hasn’t defended since hes been in the league.
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Can it get any worse? There's always tomorrow.
I was joking
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Remember we're ALL on the same team. Don't take it too seriously.
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sorry guys, this is a little On Topic, but...
maybe we’re arguing over guuys that will ALL be nothing more than a memory, or out-matched competition, for Deron Williams, and his Brooklyn Nets.
I miss the days when America was only morally bankrupt...
Sounds like he doesn't think Hump will be back
If it costs $10 million, I agree.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
The definitive statement about Lopez is this
You NEED to push your most talented players because the most talented players can most easily rest on their laurels because they have certain areas where they are exceptional.
That’d the difference between T-Mac and Kobe. Both were unbelievably gifted talents, but one put in 7-9 hours a day working on his games, particularly on his weaknesses. Look at Jordan, who evolved his game at every stage of his career. He relied on athleticism early, and as that waned, became one of the best shooters in the game.
Look at Ray Allen, who, as you could have seen in the features after he broke the 3PT record, is one of the hardest working guys in the league.
Pop Quiz: Would you rather have a only-healthy for 50 games Kobe Bryant in his prime or a healthy every single game T-Mac in his prime?
It’s nice that Brook hasn’t missed a game. It’s endearing. But it isn’t the baseline for greatness and realizing potential. Every game at 60% of his potential is not as good as 75% of games at 90% of his potential.
by Anthony Perez on Apr 14, 2011 11:34 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Do you believe his defense could improve with hard work?
I think it’s just a talent.
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Everything can be improved through hard work
by Anthony Perez on Apr 14, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
As far as Lopez
at 23 hard work might improve him slightly but I believe there is a ceiling that hard work lets you maintain. Lopez’s’ ceiling I believe is not sufficient on D.
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Player's don't reach max ability at 23.
There’s a lot of room for improvement.
by Anthony Perez on Apr 14, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree on D
but no guanrantee and I wouldn’t count on it . Hopeing hardwork makes Lopez and good defender is like hoping Yi turns into a good player. It’s an unrealistic expectation. They might improve but how much?
Life as a Net fan
Can it get any worse? There's always tomorrow.
Hard work won't change talent as much as productivity.
Life as a Net fan
Can it get any worse? There's always tomorrow.
Read that book
And before you think it’s not particularly true, the most drastic examples are in sports.
by Anthony Perez on Apr 14, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Hard work will only help
and in some cases maybe be a drastic improvement. Hump might be an example but I think he is the exception not the rule.
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Once again, that's a general observation of yours
Not a scientific analysis of the effects of hard work and practice, as was done for the book I referenced.
by Anthony Perez on Apr 14, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I wrong to think my talent has boundaries no matter how hard I work?
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Yeah
It’s not a philosophy I subscribe to.
by Anthony Perez on Apr 14, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
My philosophy is
Work hard to be your best but know your best. I don’t want to be a like a horse and run till I die just to run as long as I could.
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yeah, the guy who wrote that book
has a general store down the shore that is a disaster, had to be shuttered twice.
Maybe because he's too busy writing books and doing research for said books, and speeches and more
Just because he doesn’t have a successful store, doesn’t mean he isn’t credible. I ran a fairly successful online magazine for a few years until I lost interest and I dedicated more times to other endeavors at the cost of that business’ survival.
Stephen King was a fairly mediocre English teacher, by his own admission in his memoirs, not because he doesn’t know English (obviously), but because he spent his breaks writing and having his stories swirling around his head and distracting him while trying to teach.
by Anthony Perez on Apr 14, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Lopez just turned 23. He wants to win and he WANTS to get better.
People say he lacks passion and love for the game. Not what I see…He does what he can and its not his fault he plays with bad players.
Teams regret passing on Lopez. Any team would be happy to have him.
@Al_Iannazzone: BREAKING NEWS: Nets are close to acquiring Deron WIlliams from Utah, sources told The Record.
-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.
Once again, it's not about being pessimistic
And not acknowledging what he does well. But it’s about demanding improvement, at every stage. That’s what great players and performers do. That’s the expectation.
So fans shouldn’t necessarily be chastised for criticizing Lopez, as long as it’s done constructively. Basically, a thought out criticism as fine. “LOSSpez” isn’t.
by Anthony Perez on Apr 14, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
wait maybe i missed it
Who was dumb enough to say anything negative about the L&P section. Fans who actually came out to nets games
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 11:41 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
People mad about MVP chants for Outlaw
And probably GRAHM-V-P
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Instead of commenting
on the overwhelming support we gave to our team and players (which was noticed by virtually everyone and we even got a THANK YOU letter written from the Nets) people want to call us bad fans for chanting MVP for Travis freakin’ Outlaw.
Not only do some people not understand what being a diehard fan is all about, they also have no clue how amazing it was to actually have a large group of Nets fans who were beyond supportive during a meaningless game.
lol…i think ur arguing with yourself.
i dont think anyone has a problem with this.
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-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.
Yeah, again, who are these people?
If I look through the thread am I really going to see someone who is arguing against you? I’m not joking, I’m serious.
Well for starters we've been called childish
and compared to Phillies fans chucking batteries onto the field at players.
Scroll up.
Well I’ll say here (and scroll up when I can to yell at people) that those comments are ridiculous. First of all to compare physical violence to joking chanting is bordering on mental instability. Secondly, Net fans are notorious for being terrible, and for once they were in the press for being loud, and more importantly being there. Why someone would want to suck the fun out of that makes no sense to me.
Joking around is childish and silly. Mature people don't poke fun at things or situations
I said this in response to someone complaining about Avery playing Graham so much this year –
“I don’t blame Avery for Graham playing that much I blame injuries (James/Morrow) , T.Will , Morrow not defending at times , Sasha chucking at times , and Outlaw’s garbage play for Graham getting that much playing time. I don’t mind that he can send a message to the other guys that if you don’t play right or well , Graham might get in and you’ll be watching MVP from the sidelines for a bit. He’s holding these career bench guys accountable for the big picture when and if they start to get NBA starters.”
In another thread I post this -
“Ronnie Brewer’s out so Graham should feast and beast all night long.”
That’s all I said. But I got this respone from Net Income -
"who do people care so much about Graham he’s a veterans minimum player. He plays hard. He plays decent defense. The season is over. He’s not coming back.
Give it up."
Then
“It’s childish”
Really now. because I said “Ronnie Brewer’s out so Graham should feast and beast all night long.” ? Give it up? I think the powers that be need to lighten up a little. This is a message board about basketball for Pete’s sake. So little perspective.
"This isn’t fantasy or rotisserie basketball. Why would Denver want Outlaw? Would you?"
Thank you for speaking my perception of the truth, Dave D!!!!
For lack of a more thoughtful homily, we offer this: Mission accomplished.
That’s exactly what I put in my signature. I agree with Dave (and vice versa hehe). This year was a success, and I don’t want to blow all the cap space for next season. It’s the following summer (Summer ‘12) when we should blow our cap space. Just make value moves to become a 7th or 8th seed in the playoffs while maintaining cap flexibility heading into 2012 and Brooklyn. Deron will resign (I’ve said that since the trade; I’m not at all as paranoid as some others) and we’ll be good to go. It’s all in my sig — the big picture.
Thank you, Dave! I needed to hear this from someone else.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
besides the obvious...
whats the free agency pool going to look like in 2012?
I miss the days when America was only morally bankrupt...
oh, that was easier than i thought....
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-11-12
I miss the days when America was only morally bankrupt...
I starting watching Jazz games when Harris and Favors left
And I’d pass. He can make some highlight plays here and there , but I don’t think I’d want him as a starting 2.
"This isn’t fantasy or rotisserie basketball. Why would Denver want Outlaw? Would you?"
A lot of people on here need to get a sense of humor.
If I was getting paid millions of dollars and couldn’t do my job correctly, I would expect people to make fun of me. It’s ridiculous to think otherwise.
All this high and mighty talk needs to stop, like you’re better than other people because you don’t make fun of players. If you’re not performing up to your level of pay or the amount of opportunities you are given to succeed, you open yourself up to ridicule and that holds true for every industry.
by Clayton Balch on Apr 14, 2011 12:16 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
You open yourself up to accountability not ridicule. Please
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Can it get any worse? There's always tomorrow.
Mark My Words
The Five Coming Back Are:
Dwill
Lopez
James
Morrow
Farmar
Farmar might be gone too. Playoff teams will contact King for Farmar. Outlaw will be dealt for an equally bad contract. Petro is not as bad as people here are saying. I can see him being dealt to a playoff team to beef up their Front Court. As much as the Nets want to bring back HUMP, he is going to get a better offer then a Nets offer. This is going to be the argument. Hump’s Agent “Outlaw is getting paid $7 mil and you want to pay my client less then that.” Sasha isnt needed. Morrow is a better shooter coming off the bench.
Official Member of the "DIDN'T WANT TO TRADE DERRICK FAVORS, BUT HAPPY WE GOT D. WILLIAMS" Movement
I think we're stuck with Outlaw
If there weren’t 4 more years left on the deal, other teams might be more inclined to swap turkeys, but I doubt it.
by Anthony Perez on Apr 14, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
You never know
Arenas got traded making 20 mil for years.
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especially considering it was orlando who acquired him
an almost-contender willing to do anything to move a bad contract (r.lewis) and hold onto their super star (d.howard)
it actually sounds a lot like us.
I miss the days when America was only morally bankrupt...
If Howard becomes a Net
thats the day it started.
As Mr. Perez stated we could swap turkeys the hard part is avoiding getting a turkey in return.
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Aren't you the poster who likes character guys?
Arenas brings guns into the locker room.
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sorry read that the other way around.
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If a Net had a gun in the locker room
he’d probably miss anyway.
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I would love for us to get CJ Miles or Wilson Chandler!!!!!
Hopefully we can buyout Outlaw or package him in a deal for Dwight with Lopez….
I know I am stretching here but
If Howard talks dont go our way here is an option
Outlaw for Okafor
Reason: Hump isnt going to take less then $7 mil. Instead of paying Hump $8 or 9 mill plus outlaws $7 equaling $15-16 mil or more, we get Okafor for $12, 13 and 14 mil.
I know this could kill us financially but with Okafor he has shown to be a 10-10 guy over many years not just one year. He is a much better defender then HUMP. He would be great next to Lopez and he can pick and roll with Dwill.
Damn!!! That was hard to do. We are screwed with OUTLAW!!!!
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This
Damn!!! That was hard to do. We are screwed with OUTLAW!!!!
Is why we should be grateful that we don’t have Billy’s job
by Anthony Perez on Apr 14, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Outlaw will improve???
If he trains with other Nba players in the offseason and gets video of what he does wrong on the floor maybe he will improve. I think he needs to see a sports psychiatrist. He seems to get nervous or out of control at times and has a mild demeanor, he may just be insecure.
He needs to work out with Grant Hill this offseason. See what putting in work is about. Hill will show him how to attack the basket when your shot isnt falling. He also needs to improve his quickness and stamina. Tim Grover needs to be called or train MMA in ABQ with the Jackson camp. The altitude does wonders.
by power_njerz on Apr 14, 2011 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It would be hard to get worse, no?
Improvement is the only way up! I hope…
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by eLonepb on Apr 14, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Despite all the Melo drama, I'll say this
I think all the constant news updates and conversations about our team really helped spike up the conversation around here. New members joining in the conversation, old members coming back, frequent members becoming friends.
Had a great time this year with all of you, regardless of disagreements on Nets and basketball philosophy.
Cheers to a good offseason!!!
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by eLonepb on Apr 14, 2011 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
agreed
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Apr 14, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Great Post!!
I agree.
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Post of the year
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Im going to go ahead and Agree with you right there...
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
Wow
you guys were trying to tear each other’s heads off in here. LMAO.
Brook Lopez is a good player, and a good kid who needs to improve. He also needs to become surly and nasty towards the opposition.
We’ve all been upset at him but I think that running around pretending like he’s garbage is silly. He’s not. He DOES need to work his ass off this summer to get some strength, work on defensive fundamentals with the coaching staff, and he needs to play with a bit more fire.
I liked what I saw from him offensively towards the tail end of the season. He made adjustments and is now handling double teams a LOT better. I’ll take that as well hey, this wasn’t another lost year for him.
So as much as I wanted to strangle Brook after the Knick game debacle, I wouldn’t want any other center in the NBA outside of Dwight Howard over him. Lets just hope that we can get some more talent in here to help him and D-Will out
Agreed
I don’t think anybody in here is flaming Lopez. He was absolutely dominant at times this year, and nobody could stop him. The Detroit game is a clear example of that. But also a clear example of how, without lighting a fire under his teammates and demanding the ball, they stopped going to him and he allowed it to happen.
He’s a big shiny bright spot for us right now, and Deron knows it. He’s untouchable only for Howard, but I really hope Howard signs an extension or something so we can all move past it and focus on improving what we’ve got.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
agreed
I just want to add, he needs to start shaving and cutting his hair more often.
by MrDollarBills on Apr 14, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Every girl I bring to the game, that's the first thing they say
“Why doesn’t he get a haircut? Even a shape up??”
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
I have a
….a suspicion about Brook’s off court activities.
Overindulging in that kind of activity tends to make a person a bit passive, and it could lead to them not really caring about their appearance.
Not to mention he probably eats a lot of late night snacks.
by MrDollarBills on Apr 14, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm totally with you.
Life as a Net fan
Can it get any worse? There's always tomorrow.
Then he should be a SUPERIOR "PASSER"
If that suspicion is correct. He is a “Cali” guy afterall.
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
And
CJ Miles and Anthony Morrow as a two guard combo? I think that sounds great
we just need an athletic SF to score
and then a PF, because it looks like Hump is a goner if someone gives him more than we can afford to dish
Charlotte Bobcats forward Boris Diaw said he would definitely exercise his $9 million player-option for next season. He also said if the lockout draws well into next season, he intends to play for the French pro team he owns, JSA Bourdeaux
@Al_Iannazzone: BREAKING NEWS: Nets are close to acquiring Deron WIlliams from Utah, sources told The Record.
-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.
ohhh Travesty lmao
Let the mock “MVP! MVP! MVP!” chants continue to rain down from the team’s “Loud and Proud” section in the rafters at the Prudential Center.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700126676/Utah-Jazzs-CJ-Miles-doubtful-for-season-ending-game.html
Says that C.J miles is injured and I already know Kirilenko is injured. But nonetheless I’d take both of them and we would be a much improved team just by getting those two. We just need a better bench player at the C and PF and we should be good with Miles and Kirilenko starting over James and Morrow.
Deron/Gaines/Farmar?
Cj / Morrow
Kirilenko / Damion James / Outlaw
Humphries / Outlaw? / Kirilenko? / Or perhaps our pick
Brook / Pick / If not Petro
Petro + Williams = Blueprint for success
After last night
I want Thornton. He took that game over. Put the team on his back. Plus he’s a slasher and above average defender. Would fit well.
Sources say
Thornton Udoh, Curry and Ellis may be on the block the latter two for a price.
Yeah
Sorry I should’ve been more specific. Thornton and Udoh are FA’s and the Warriors are supposedly looking for offers for Ellis and/or Curry for the right price.
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